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Ok, I might be towing the line a bit with this one, but I keep seeing news everywhere that just sickens the almighty living **** out of me. I know we've technically got the Bizarre News Thread, but I figure that's more for trippy weird stories than anything else. So I present you with this topic, a carnival of woe and misery for us all to revel in and seethe at how stupid the rest of this damn race is. To start:
Girl drugged to death by her parents (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/D/DRUGGED_TO_DEATH?SITE=NYWNE&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT)
Inside we have the story of a young girl whose parents basically stuffed a ridiculous amount of drugs down her yap to keep her from bothering them in any way. What more can be said? Why the hell did these two sadistic monsters even have a kid in the first place if they were so concerned about her being a nuisance? I mean hell, that's practically what kids are for. They're just having fun and stuff, that's what kids DO. It's natural that they're going to generally be noisy and playful, and i'd imagine most parents just turn a blind eye to personal irritation since their kid is happy, and by proxy that makes them happy.
This also brings up the issue in my mind.. personally I think any drug treatment should be eyed with suspicion, ESPECIALLY where children or adolescents are involved. It seems these days too many parents are looking too hard for syndromes, diseases, conditions and the like, and since they're activley looking, part of their subconcious clicks and WANTS to find something, so suddenly out of nowhere, HORRORS! Little Timmy has bipolar disorder! And of course, being the busy parents and all that crap, the only solution is clearly to stuff a bunch of drugs in them. This culture of just.. slamming pills in our kids mouth if they step out of line is beginning to worry me somewhat. (I guess it doesnt help that on a personal level it disturbs me that chemically saturated bits of chalk can essentially change personalities..)
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1. What is the world coming to! Lazy ass parents killed an innocent child, THEIR child.
2. My friend who I've known since I was 6 is one of those kids that gets Ritalin or whatever shoved down his throat because his parents suck. He's a perfectly good kid, can get a little hyper at times, but other than that he's perfectly normal. He's super funny and intelligent when he's off the meds, but when he has to take them it all just turns off. I mean, he's like a zombie(Like in that South Park episode). I honestly don't believe in ADD or any of the other things, or atleast that it's so common.
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ADD is almost definitely not an actual disorder (I say almost because there might be an extremely small portion of the people being treated who actually need the Ritalin. Unlikely in my opinion, but possible).
In a similar vein, is it just me or have peanut allergies been on an unexplained increase over the last decade or so. When I was in first grade, there were almost no peanut allergies at my school, and none of them were very bad. Three years later there were enough to warrant their own table where you couldn't eat a peanut butter cracker because it might send the entire table into fits. Now you can't bring peanuts on the bus or to school period. I am by no means suggesting that these allergies are being faked or anything like that, it just seems odd that a single type of allergy would suddenly begin affecting so many people and get progressively worse. Any thoughts on a possible cause, or am I just paranoid?
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2. My friend who I've known since I was 6 is one of those kids that gets Ritalin or whatever shoved down his throat because his parents suck. He's a perfectly good kid, can get a little hyper at times, but other than that he's perfectly normal. He's super funny and intelligent when he's off the meds, but when he has to take them it all just turns off. I mean, he's like a zombie(Like in that South Park episode). I honestly don't believe in ADD or any of the other things, or atleast that it's so common.
Exactly what i'm saying - they're looking for disorder and illness in the wrong places. What is actually imagination suddenly becomes dementia. What is enthusiasm and energy becomes hyperactivity. We're basically nulling the passion and creativity out of our young'uns. Possibly goes hand in hand with this dumbass conformity culture, and the dumbass conformity-avoiding culture.
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That is one very sad story :'(
How do they solve these sort of things? By changing their diets, I blame the high amount of chemical additives in our foods. Pills arent the answer :( and you are right, people dont often realise kids are naturally boisterous, they are noisy and energetic, they shouldnt be quieted down or tranquilised with pills.
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**** that really pisses me off, who takes their own daughters life, and at that age it's even worse, she'd only started her life.
I have ADHD (supposedly), I was on Ritalin for a while and I was like a Robot/Zombie...or a Robot-Zombie, I was sad all the time because nothing was fun or funny. My mum got really upset that I wasn't enjoying myself and took it off me. That's the exact opposite of what these parents did.
Why the hell would the pharmacy keep giving them stuff, I'd ask to see the girl first.
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This raises more disturbing issues, including the trend of simply medicating a child rather than working out whats wrong with them and trying to find alternative treatments
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I think out of all the article, this is the one part that enrages me the most:
Williams told police that the night before she died, Rebecca was pale and seemed "out of it." At one point, the little girl knocked weakly on her parents' bedroom door and softly called for her mommy, but Michael Riley opened the door a crack and yelled at her to go back to her room, Williams said.
Not content with drugging her up to the eyeballs to shut her up, it seems if she stepped out of line even slightly they instantly resorted to shouting at her. Christ, this stuff makes me all the more eager for prospective parents to have to pass a test first.
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Going from how her parents where with her in life I'd say she was just attention starved rather than suffering from any real mental illness, but rather than bothering to take more than a glance at her family background the doctors just prescribed her a bunch of pills. It's cases like this that really piss me off, here in the UK there was the case of Victoria Climbie (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2122256.stm) while not similar on the surface, in both cases various institutions which where tasked with ensuring the child’s welfare neglected their duties and from this a child died from neglect. All because someone didn't do their f***ing job.
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[bland post] I think parents who do that are mean. [/bland post]
But Luminar, thanks for posting that news story. I just realized today that I had a persuasive essay due, and I hadn't done it! I was able to do it at lunch, but I used this story as my theme. Thanks!
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Disturbing? yes... Am I suprised? No... :(
That's what I come to expect when the world is coming to an end. Where have you people been? :)
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wow :/
I have ADHD and i am extremely glad i never took any ritalin.
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wow :/
I have ADHD and i am extremely glad i never took any ritalin.
It has speed in it :o :-\ it screws up your perception, the room seems longer but not wider ???
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Actually it is a chemical similar to speed (amphetamines) not a composit of other drugs
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/6498641.stm
What annoys the hell out of me here is that this is far, very very far from a rare occurance over there. It's quite widespread in those parts of the world where if the woman doesn't respond well to the suitor they just go and permanently disfigure them with an easily available cup of acid, and bam, that's it. Stalker gets away with a couple years in jail if that, woman pretty much unable to get a job or find anyone willing to talk to them due to their appearance, not to mention the medical issues. Pretty much another display of base human barbarism in that women MUST respond to these idiots otherwise they're supposedly not good for anything else (note: NOT my opinion) and the stalker will try to make it as true as possible by means of disfiguring violence.
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17832494/wid/11915829?GT1=9145
THIS is just ridiculous. If an adult did this it'd be pedophilia, and the kids doing it are basically providing nude pics of their girlfriends or whatever all over the place? Ugh. Disgusting.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=445979&in_page_id=1770&ito=newsnow
I swear, I should convert to muslim so I can get anything I want handed to me bent over backwards on a platter. "Lest we forget", eh? Peh! This is a spit on the graves of people who had to die for no good reason and I daresay the people who did their damnest to free 'em.
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Oh. My. God.
What is this? Has the world gone insane?
There seems to be a trend these days that i will call "Teach the controversy" after the name for the application of this principal to intelligent design.
People these days seem to have lost all persepctive on what is fact and what is opinion and which one is more proper in the context of a goddamn classroom where kids are supposed to *learn*.
If you ask me this is even more baffling than intelligent design, at least evolution is a rather strange theory that has a lot of rather diffuse evidence from a lot of rather abstract fields. The Holocaust happened withing living memory! There are mass graves! There are actual documents written by real live Nazis! Holocaust denial is just pure anti-semitisim but just because these people are muslims they let it slide.
Bah! Now, I'm all for senistivity but Islam as it seems to be being practised these days is a total crock as far as I'm concerned. These people need some humility, seriously.
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Isn't it a crime in soem countries to actually deny that the holocaust took place? I know for a fact its a law in Germany, and to be quit frank if anyone, no matter what their religion, said to me that the holocaust never took place I would view that person as something beneath the lowest vermin. The crusades, the slave trade, and its subsequent abololishion, and the holocoast are all very important historical lessons, the crusades and the slave trade and its abooishion in particular are of extreme significance for British students as iti teaches them about important moments in our history.
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Holocaust denial is definatley a crime in germany, and as far as I know Germany want it illegal everywhere else in europe - a sentiment I wholly approve of. The phrase "Lest we forget" was coined for a reason. Lest we forget the sacrifices our grandfathers made to keep us from falling into the claws of a crazed lunatic bent on corrupting the world with his "vision". Lest we forget how many had to die to show us how far the human race can fall when pursuing it's own agendas. Lest we forget the crimes committed and in doing so doom ourselves to repeat them.
But of course, if crazy uncle allah says no, then that's it then, isn't it?
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No, because rich uncle Abraham will kick of a huge fuss, and I think far more people will be sympathetic to his side, as the Jewish religion has given Europe very little trouble and has done a fair bit for the community, then I think the vast majority will side with what they see as a sober, low-key religion as opposed to what they conceive as a bunch of ungrateful fanatics who want to destroy everything they hold dear. While I know many Muslims aren't like that there is a disturbing large and vocal amount who do have this opinion.
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It annoys me that we have to constantly cater to Islam's needs in Britain. I respect Muslims who come to this country, work and intergrate with whites. They do not 'steal jobs away' they earn them, like everyone else. What annoys me is those who come to our country, live in a Muslim only area, eat only Muslim food, carry on Muslim traditions, go to a Muslim-only school, then have a tantrum when we don't change our society to match the views of a Bearded Camel Merchnat who has been dead more than a thousand years.
What would happen if I opened a "Whites-only school?", I would be a despicable Racist. If I opened, however, an Asian-only school, this is apparently fine. This Stupid Political Correctness Double Standrad annoys me to the point of insanity: My sister was watching TV the other day, and I looked at the presenters of the show. An Asian, a Black, an Arab, an Oriental, A Latino....where was the white Caucasian? No-where to be seen.
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There are white only schools they're called Catholic or Protestant faith schools, like Asians only schools they use religion to get around racial accusations, however the problem is that while most Christians and Jews no longer see any need to religiously indoctrinate our children, Muslim parents still do.
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http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/211557/man_undergoes_surgery_without_proper.html
Alright, now this one really makes my skin crawl. Guhhhuhhhhh. I can't imagine what the pain of that would be like...
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What would happen if I opened a "Whites-only school?", I would be a despicable Racist. If I opened, however, an Asian-only school, this is apparently fine. This Stupid Political Correctness Double Standrad annoys me to the point of insanity: My sister was watching TV the other day, and I looked at the presenters of the show. An Asian, a Black, an Arab, an Oriental, A Latino....where was the white Caucasian? No-where to be seen.
Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner.
Also one of Australia's supermarket chains, Coles, has started calling Hot Cross Buns "Easter Buns."
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Why hot cross buns is probably less offensive seeing Easter is the name of the religious Holiday Hot Cross whats that nothing sure the cross represents the crucifix but really it's not like it looks like a crucifix on the bun looks like a white plus sign.
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Exactly. Political correctness makes no sense.
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Though I quite honestly despise religion as a whole, the entire thing of replacing the given event's name with "Holiday", I feel is a passionless, faceless act of complete and utter spineless cowardice. I mean, the events have a name, trying to tiptoe around them because someone felt people having some kind of celebration was offensive is just kowtowing to the slow but constant degradation of passion our culture is having.
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I remember watching a morning tv show about a year ago, the kind where they have guests and do cooking and sell you stuff from infomercials. Anyway it was a friday during lent, and they were cooking something with wine in it. Of course they have a glass of wine as well, and the woman goes, "wait, are we allowed to have wine on friday?" Now, if you can't even remember that then obviously Christianity means nothing to you, so stop pretending it does!
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The stupidest thing about modern religion -
Well, for one thing, Christmas. I'm not saying I hate Christmas, but, it's like, Jesus died. But who cares, we get presents! In fact, most people I know say that going to church is the only part about Christmas they hate. This is the same with every religious holiday.
I am officially (but I don't consider myself as) a catholic Christian. This means we get both First Communion (or Eucharist) and then Confirmation a couple of years later. Both of these times people usually have some kind of house party afterwards to celebrate and EVERYONE gives them money, a lot of money. And guess what, the least favourite part of this occasion - the event itself!
Seriously, maybe they should make church less boring or something.
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But the less boring alternative to christianity are those awful Mega-churches they have in the states which are largely full of certifiable rapture-ready glossolaliac nutters. Or theres that manly church thing i saw something about through stumbleupon where they have big screens with american football and they talk about beer and porno ( I can only assume they still frown upon it, but you never know).
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Well, for one thing, Christmas. I'm not saying I hate Christmas, but, it's like, Jesus died.
You sure know a lot about Christianity.
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http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/211557/man_undergoes_surgery_without_proper.html
Alright, now this one really makes my skin crawl. Guhhhuhhhhh. I can't imagine what the pain of that would be like...
At least it was actually an honest mistake. It's nasty, but accidents do happen sometimes.
Aside from that, I think it's interesting that a topic about human misery has now practically become a topic about religion.
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Redutcio ad
Hitlerum Jesusum.
There, I coined it first.
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Well, for one thing, Christmas. I'm not saying I hate Christmas, but, it's like, Jesus died.
You sure know a lot about Christianity.
Umm, read the next sentence. I meant that's what little children are saying.
EDIT - And I meant to say he died. I am quoting three 5-9 year old cousins/siblings who said that.
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http://www.howtonotsuck.com/viewarticle.php?id=24
That sounds a lot like this article....post...thing.
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Well, for one thing, Christmas. I'm not saying I hate Christmas, but, it's like, Jesus died.
You sure know a lot about Christianity.
Umm, read the next sentence. I meant that's what little children are saying.
EDIT - And I meant to say he died. I am quoting three 5-9 year old cousins/siblings who said that.
Easter is the celebration of Jesus's rising from the dead on the third day. Christmas is the celebration of Jesus's birth.
Never trust with any information provided by someone under 12 unless it's about cartoons or sweets.
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Remember - it's Zombie Jesus Weekend.
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Remember - it's Zombie Jesus Weekend.
I'd have found that funnier had I not seen that cyanide and happyness comic already. ;)
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I love that comic.
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Back on topic:
Boy critically burned after drain cleaner is dumped on playground (http://www.wmdt.com/wires/displaystory.asp?id=60557400)
Baltimore County fire officials say a two-year-old boy was critically burned today after someone splashed industrial-strength drain cleaner all over an elementary school playground.
Google News. (http://news.google.com/nwshp?oe=UTF-8&tab=wn&ned=us&ncl=1115384429&hl=en)
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What?
Edit: Seriously, that doesn't even make sense.
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Yeah, I already saw this one.. ugh. I just can't fathom why anyone would do that - normally the assbat types want to see the suffering they cause but this guy just tropped a trap and left. It doesnt make a lot of psychological sense to me.
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Simple the guy who did this is a huge toolbox.
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This is a double post but I'm bring in some new topics. Some people just shouldn't be allowed to have kids.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/gloucestershire/6571445.stm
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/20070420/tuk-uk-britain-toddlers-fa6b408.html
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one-year suspended sentences
That really makes me sick, that someone can do something like that and get let off with a slap on the wrist and told not to do it again! >:(
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I swear that is the one news story I ever heard which made me actually want to smash the TV. It's absolutely disgusting, loathsome, reprehensible; I'm short of words to describe quite how much those women disgust me.
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You know for a fact if those were men they'd be thrown straight in the slammer with no reprieve. Not that what they did wasn't completley disgusting either way.. let's be honest here, how much of a chance in life do these kids have if they're actually trained to be these might-makes-right idiots who think anarchic fighting and violence is the only way to solve anything? And whichever judge handed out that slap on the wrist should hang his head in shame. I don't know how he could honestly deal out such a light sentence, or more importantly fail to take the damn kids away from those mindless brutes.
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I swear that is the one news story I ever heard which made me actually want to smash the TV. It's absolutely disgusting, loathsome, reprehensible; I'm short of words to describe quite how much those women disgust me.
couldn't have said it better myself. :-\
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Some sad news here.
BBC News Link. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/6586731.stm)
A blind man, his wife and his two girls were all found dead in their house. Their death is unclear but heres the thing - the husband organized burials for them all before they were found dead.
Thoughts? Was he the murderer or did he just somehow know they were all going to die?
NOTE - Gardai are Irish police.
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I.. huh. That's strange, very strange to me. I can't figure it out. Though if it was a suicide they definatley didn't need to take the kids down with them. >=/
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More News!
The man was 90% blind, the woman just had terrible sight. Both genetic. So, the daughters eyes were getting worse year by year. This is the apparent motive.
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DDO listed as reason Nevada couple starved their babies. (http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070714/NEWS/707140323/1004)
More. (http://news.google.com/nwshp?tab=wn&ned=us&ncl=1118190762&hl=en)
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Note they all immediatley spring at "DUNGEONS AND DRAGONS KILL KIDS" and not "IRRESPONSIBLE PARENTS KILL KIDS".
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Jack Thompson...
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I doubt we'll see that, the numerous agencies down played the fact that they where addicted to video games specifically as the cause, although comparing it to meth addiction was a bit odd.
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This is YouTube material! (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/tees/7002627.stm)
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It disgusts me that people there are people that would do such a thing...
and why did he have shaving cream?
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Look up "Happy Slapping". Probably the same thing, more or less. Some people go out with intent to do it, so it makes sense (from a twisted viewpoint, naturally) that they'd go.. i dunno, armed I guess.
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Been a while, hasn't it?
http://www.wesh.com/news/14605900/detail.html?rss=orl&psp=news
This one is nearly as bizarre as it is sad. I mean... why? What do you gain out of that? There is so much information not present here that it's mind-boggling to attempt to put together what could have happened.
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Police said those charges were dropped.
(http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/6402/notagaincompy2ai0.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
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I think you misread Croccer.
Documents from the State Attorney's Office said police have been to the home before in August for aggravated assault involving the mother of the 1-year-old girl and a man named Adam Fountain.
Police said those (the above charges) charges were dropped.
I doubt they'll let someone who shot a kid, accidental or not, get away with it.
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http://www.ajc.com/search/content/holidayguide/stories/2007/11/27/empty_1128.html
Good grief. That's an act that'd make the Grinch blush. Knowing full well where all that stuff is going, they break in and take it anyway. I honestly have to wonder what caused them to get into such a moral state. Sheer greed? Crazed heroin addict?
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Someone had to have been bribed, and I hope that security service's reputation is shot to hell after this.
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Is the city councilman's name really Kwanza Hall?
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http://timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=645268&category=REGIONOTHER&BCCode=HOME&newsdate=12/7/2007
This is utterly incomprehensible - how could anyone find this funny, especially advocating that people go out and harass the lady? What sort of morally backwards caveman actually thinks people are going to go "HAHAHA YEAH LETS GO AND TORTURE THE FREAK" universally??
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I'm glad they got what they deserved.
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Not sure if anyone has seen this story but it's happening about 20 miles from here in Jacksonville, NC. A female Marine, 8 months pregnant went missing in December. Her charred body w/fetus was found in a shallow grave in the backyard of the man who was accused of raping her 8 months ago. She was ready to testify at his hearing and it would seem he got rid of her. He is now on the run.
Marine death (http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/13/missing.marine/)
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Not sure if anyone has seen this story but it's happening about 20 miles from here in Jacksonville, NC. A female Marine, 8 months pregnant went missing in December. Her charred body w/fetus was found in a shallow grave in the backyard of the man who was accused of raping her 8 months ago. She was ready to testify at his hearing and it would seem he got rid of her. He is now on the run.
Marine death (http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/13/missing.marine/)
Yeah i seen that on the front page of mail.com. God thats so horrible :'(
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That truly is sad.
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That's pretty barbaric. Moreso if the kid was his since the dates match, as much as that thought often gets shuddered at... it's a shame, because I love to see good things come of a bad deed/person, every kid has the potential to be an awesome contributor to society irregardless of lineage. This is honestly just brutally cruel though - these people will go to any length to evade consequence for their actions, percieving themselves as immune to everything but their own desires as and when they want them... and really, what the hell does rape accomplish in the end? Ever? The social stigma that gets attached to it all makes it nearly as bad as murder for the victim feeling like they're the criminal, because of this stigma getting placed on them...
I suppose i'm rambling though. I tend to do that when trying to break down logic where there is none.
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I understand you Lum and agree with you completely.
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It's really a sad story especially since it's a local story and Sheriff Ed Brown is someone I've seen around for ages. Here is another twist, the Marine that is on the run is married. He left his wife a note before he left town saying the girl committed suicide and he buried her. This is crazy, stuff like this doesn't normally happen here.
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Well, for one thing, Christmas. I'm not saying I hate Christmas, but, it's like, Jesus died.
You sure know a lot about Christianity.
Umm, read the next sentence. I meant that's what little children are saying.
EDIT - And I meant to say he died. I am quoting three 5-9 year old cousins/siblings who said that.
Easter is the celebration of Jesus's rising from the dead on the third day. Christmas is the celebration of Jesus's birth.
Never trust with any information provided by someone under 12 unless it's about cartoons or sweets.
Both Easter and Christmas were holidays celebrated before Christianity existed,
Just because Christianity claimed them and re named them and gave them new meaning doesnt mean that they have to be observed as Christian holidays
Thats why there is a bunny and a egg for easter and not a dead jesus,
Easter is to celebrate the fertility of the spring, the bunnys represent fertility and the eggs represent new life.
and there was winter festival to celebrate winter, and how they had to do less work and longer nights and stuff like that,
there are also several other gods who's birthdays lie on December 25, most of which had the date picked out before Jesus was even though of. Ishtar, Sol Invictus and Mithras being examples
Ohh and about all the news that gets posted,
damn... that sucks,
it's amazing how much bad stuff happens and how vile some people can be
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The alternative explanation is that the eggs represent the boulder that Jesus rolled out of the way to un-seal his tomb. Bunnies don't have any symbolic connection to any spring festival that I've ever heard of.
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http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/28/baby.microwave.ap/index.html
GAH! How the hell do you get THAT drunk?! I can't see even alcohol making that look like a good idea!
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WoW that is completely messed up :o
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Hmmm, either it was intentional murder or the microwave wasn't the cause of death. No-one would be stupid enough to do that.
The only thing I can picture in my mind right now is Chief Wiggum's hippy house of horrors with the baby in the sandwich :P
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That one literally makes me sick to my stomach. Poor little baby. :'(
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well maybe it was intentional murder...everyone knows the dog in microwave case
maybe she thinks she can get away with it
mothers do terrible thing things to get rid of there responsibility
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well maybe it was intentional murder...everyone knows the dog in microwave case
Thats an urban legend.
Although I'm more inclined to believe the stories of wasted frat boys putting small rodents in microwaves.
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Perhaps she was on more than than alcohol. However, people do very illogical things when they're drinking.
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Thats an urban legend.
It is? Any specific urban legend in paticular? Because I have actually heard of cases of dogs/cats being microwaved as revenge/attack on their owners around here, but we are supposedly the worst place in England for animal abuse so I don't know if it's a special case...
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I wish it was only an urban legend.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18807327/
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/28/baby.microwave.ap/?iref=mpstoryview
http://www.snopes.com/horrors/drugs/babysitter.asp
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Wow. Just... wow.
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Its stories like this that make me somewhat in favour of Luminar's "castrate the criminal" initiative.
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An opening!
Quick Luminar, to the hypnotic-swirly podium!
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Is everyone so upset because the baby is dead, or is it just the cause of death? Mother-kills-baby-accidentally-or-intentionally is hardly an uncommon media fad.
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So, I recently saw this on CNN. An officer dumped a quadriplegic onto the ground to check if he actually needed the wheelchair.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/12/florida-police-dump-quadr_n_86290.html
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Why is our world full of idiots!! GAH!! Well I guess that has to even out the more logical and intelligent people of our earth (specifically this board).
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/28/baby.microwave.ap/index.html
GAH! How the hell do you get THAT drunk?! I can't see even alcohol making that look like a good idea!
WTF?! That is the most disgusting thing I have ever heard, and to a child is just unbelievable. I don't care what she was getting off of she needs to go to prison for life.(I know how the justice system is so that will most likely not happen, but I just think she deserves a looooooong life sentence >:(!!!!!)
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So, I recently saw this on CNN. An officer dumped a quadriplegic onto the ground to check if he actually needed the wheelchair.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/12/florida-police-dump-quadr_n_86290.html
..... Words can not expree how I feel.
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Reminds me of a story about a cop who tazered a 6-year-old because he saw him playing with a piece of broken glass and was worried he would cut himself.
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Reminds me of a story about a cop who tazered a 6-year-old because he saw him playing with a piece of broken glass and was worried he would cut himself.
Yeah that reminds me of something I completley made up in a vain attempt to sound cool, too! What a coincidence.
In other news...
http://www.wgem.com/News/index.php?ID=21674
Now church burnings are the ultimate in brainless "Look, i'm edgy!" moves, but one coming from GameFAQs of all places... just pretty much justifies the stereotype about that place.
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Amazingly, it actually happened. They tased a 6 year old
Source (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/11/15/taser_kids_zapped)
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Jesus christ, and this is a reputable news source? I still have great difficulty believing a grown adult in a position of responsibility such as that would take the "hurr, smash!" route with a KID. I mean.. I know the depths of ignorance and stupidity, but come on, tazing a kid?
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Does CNN work for you as a reputable news source? (http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/11/14/children.tasers/)
Just because TTT says something, doesn't mean it's not true, just that you should double check.
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Don't encourage him.
http://news.aol.com/story/_a/bride-dies-during-couples-first-dance/20080210191909990001
This is just ridiculous... especially with the way weddings go. You spend ages preparing and waiting for it... and then BAM, she just dies right there an hour beforehand? The textbook definition of a tradgedy. Can't imagine how the widower must feel.
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In other news...
http://www.wgem.com/News/index.php?ID=21674
Now church burnings are the ultimate in brainless "Look, i'm edgy!" moves, but one coming from GameFAQs of all places... just pretty much justifies the stereotype about that place.
Jediknight12345? Really original name. Clearly this is a jackass with no imagination whatsoever.
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I was thinking at first it was going to be one of those excessive black metal types (look up Varg Vikernes if you want more info) who burn down churches at some kind of bizarre and psychotic statement. But no, turns out he just did it for the sheer hell of it.
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and the "lulz" apparently. :(
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What horrible parents. (http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1695735,00.html?cnn=yes)
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Then, last year, the Poeterays put Jade in the care of Hong Kong's Social Welfare Department, saying they could no longer care for her because of the girl's emotional remoteness.
Translation: Hey, our kid's broke. I want my money back.
Emotionally remoteness warrants being disowned, now? Hypocrites. If that was true, i'd be well out of the door!
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I'd say something along the lines of "facepalm," but this just makes me want to cry instead. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7244579.stm)
Oh, and some wanker shot up his school. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7246003.stm)
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Oh, and some wanker shot up his school. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7246003.stm)
This is becoming the new trend for our generation.
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I'd say something along the lines of "facepalm," but this just makes me want to cry instead. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7244579.stm)
Oh.... wow. Bravo Saudi Arabia. You have now proved that you are CENTURIES behind everyone else. Witchcraft? Seriously, who believes this crap!?
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I'd say something along the lines of "facepalm," but this just makes me want to cry instead. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7244579.stm)
Oh.... wow. Bravo Saudi Arabia. You have now proved that you are CENTURIES behind everyone else. Witchcraft? Seriously, who believes this crap!?
As if hanging homosexual wasn't enough.
How can we take a country seriously that has a Medieval legal system? Oh yes, Oil lubricates that friction.
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That frustrates me. On one hand I'm like KILL THE BASTARDS! on the other I'm like, "They can't all be bad..."
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Hmm, that school shooting actually has some relevance in my life, I'm going there for Theatre Camp this summer.
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Has there been a sudden spate of shootings over there recently, or has the media been paying more attention to it?
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Teen shot after snowball fight (http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/local&id=5978187)
Sad; really sad.
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Omg.
Thats so crazy.
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The things that humans fight over is so pathetic. Why can't the general population gain more knowledge and reasoning skills rather than senseless violence? :'(
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Gun control, etc., you know the drill.
It might have stopped this, but the guy who did it had some serious issues - considering that he went away to fetch his gun and came back to kill the kid, instead of drawing his gun in the heat of the argument and capping him like a normal murderer. Maybe he'd be crazy enough to go out of his way to kill the kid some other way, I don't know. The whole thing's pretty retarded.
By the way, I really hate it when people talk about "humans," generally when we're doing something stupid and/or violent. In case you hadn't noticed you're not some superior intellect from the vicinity of Betelgeuse, you're an Earthling like the rest of us. Perhaps I should go, get a gun and kill you for slightly annoying me. No, I'll just comment on it on the internet like a civilised person.
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The state of the world scares me. Alot. I have half a mind to build myself a nice little bunker with internet access, and wait it out until everyone decides either to stop being crazy or to just end it with a bang already.
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What. The. ****.
And the scary thing is, if caught, that guy probably won't get life in prison. Or the death penalty. Or cruel and/or unusual punishment.
:(
edit: He's been ID'ed. http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/local&id=5985057
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This made me sick. 16 yr old girl was angry that her parents wanted her to break up with the boyfriend so both of them and two others shot and stabbed her mother, father and two brothers killing all but the dad. He managed to drag himself to get help. That is so messed up, not only will she have to live with this but thats four young people who screwed up their lives. Stupidity at its finest. :-\
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/tx/5586293.html
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I think that's the worst news I've seen in this topic so far. This very literally gave me a stomach ache.
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Ecuador cuts ties with Colombia (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7276228.stm)
You know when you're playing some strategy game, you place all your tanks on the border and then you break relations? That's pretty much what happened. Some geopolitics specialists say that war is not likely to happen, however, due to lack of resources and national unity. A great deal of border tension is to be expected, though.
This tension has been aggravated by Colombia's proximity to the American government, and the whole guerrilla conflict.
Anyway, these are more problems for us to think about and keep an eye on.
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I think this is sick , it's inhuman how can people kill seals just for there fur...Ill be brutally honest this is the only the reason i dislike Canada because i know they do it alot over there.
WARNING: contains graphic images
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I would love to see any one who supports this or does it get clubbed them selves Mad.
I think any one who supports this or does this deserves to starve to death or eaten alive by some animal you know some form of slow death>=(.
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I'm removing the direct link to the video. It's very graphic and should not directly linked here. This topic may also be merged into another [gripe/new for your blues] topic if there isn't enough discussion to support it.
(just so you know)
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Ok, this might make me really unpopular, but here goes.
So long as the seal population can support the hunting, and so long as the hunters get a clean kill (smack in the head and it's dead instantly), I have no problem with seal hunting.
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When the hell did we sink so low is to kill baby seals for there fur oh and no it's not one whack to the head dead, i saw a video of a baby seal half covered in blood half dead coting up blood.
People who think this is ok and or support and or do this should go straight to hell if it exists...i know these are strong words but i stand by them >:(.
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I don't mean to insult you or anything, but did you just happen to latch onto this cause last week or something?
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Ok, this might make me really unpopular, but here goes.
So long as the seal population can support the hunting, and so long as the hunters get a clean kill (smack in the head and it's dead instantly), I have no problem with seal hunting.
*Cough* Heartless *Cough*
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He's being realistic. Just because one look at a seal doesn't make him melt inside doesn't mean he's evil.
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People have different opinions and there is no need to berate someone for a view different than your own. You can have intelligent debate without getting overly emotional. You asked for a discussion, your getting one so please be respectful of the other members.
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Twisted, like I said, if it isn't a clean kill, I wouldn't support it.
I haven't really looked into it, but I assume they use clubs because the seals are slow and they can just walk up to them. If these people can't get a clean hit with a club on a seal right in front of them, they need to get a new job. I wonder, would you consider it more or less ethical to just shoot them in the head?
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I am applying some knowledge I have of other means of gathering pelts and whatnot so this may be right and it may be wrong. The reason they club the seal is because it does not damage the small pelt like a bullet would.
Still, I do agree with Ink, if the population can handle the hunting then there's no reason to stop it. People have hunted animals for their skins for thousands of years.
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True, but they should still find some other way of killing the animal besides clubbing. I mean it isn't like their some other way of killing a seal without damaging the pelt?
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Dunno... clubbing them seems to be the most cost-effective way to go about it.
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They are killing baby seals for there pelts but they don't need it they want it now i don't know about any of you but i find inhuman to bash baby seals to death just so some rich person can look good and be warm, if they wanna be warm they can buy a jumper.
If it's ok to kill baby seals because there population can handle it why can't we just kill all the convicts in prisons i mean the human race could survive with out them around.
Infact i herd they don't even take the pelts i herd they just do this for sport...
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You can't account for everyone who does it, some people are going to do things improperly but you cannot condemn the entire industry just because of a few bad apples. Besides, seal pelts are used to make coats and whatnot and people do buy them. If there wasn't profit to be made somewhere most responsible people wouldn't do it. Since there is money to be made, you can assume with some confidence that there are people out there who depend on seal pelts to survive.
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If it's ok to kill baby seals because there population can handle it why can't we just kill all the convicts in prisons i mean the human race could survive with out them around.
There is a blaring difference in your argument: Seals are not people.
Is it just seals? Or do you support abolishing animal deaths altogether? Would it be better to kill them the same way we kill cows (driving a spike through their head)? If you say no, then I don't believe you are thinking about this as clearly and rationally as you think you are.
Not to be smarmy, but you need to punctuate. It's hard to read what you're trying to get across.
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If it's ok to kill baby seals because there population can handle it why can't we just kill all the convicts in prisons i mean the human race could survive with out them around.
I've thought about this and while it does make sence to an extent, keep in mind that not everyone convicted is guilty and really, should someone be killed for say, driving without a license?
As said before me, if the population can support it, then by all means kill them, it doesn't matter how. It always irritates me when people whine and weep over the seals and the pandas and the elephants but don't care about the estimated hundreds of different speices of plants and insects that go extinct in the amazon due to deforestration or the slaughtering of sharks all over the world or other things like that. It's survival of the cutest. People only care if the animal is something they'd want as a plushy.
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No, Twisted, this isn't done just for 'sport.' According to wikipedia, a seal pelt goes for $25 bucks, then more money for the rest of the animal. And if it was for sport, why would they skin them? A person who mutilates animals just for the fun of it is a sick bastard, end of story.
And I find it interesting that you would so quickly put seals on the same level of value as humans.
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Actually thats not true this whaling thing in Australia is really **** me off.
Look I'm ok with killing things for food i mean there are tons of species of animals that kill to survive,but killing animals for anything else like profit,sport,fun etc etc i just find sickening and it **** me off...to simply put it I'm sick of how we are treating the other living things on earth.
I really like sharks,whales and dolphins and i find the thort of killing them for anything but food sickening.
The ONE thing that really gets to me is that we think all other animals dont have the same right or value as we do. They are living things as well.
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Speaking of whaling, there was some environmentalist group in an ocean that got lost, and when a whaling boat helped them, they accepted the help and then sunk the whaling boat. Environmentalists and animalrightspeople can be really evil sometimes.
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(http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/6545/mwambashi20killun8.jpg)
The only difference between our hunting habits and those of other animals, is we can do it more efficiently.
Food, shelter, and clothing. The three basic necessities, as I was always taught. It's alright to kill animals for one of these, but not the others?
The people who own the cattle farms don't eat all that meat. They sell it and make a profit. They are killing animals for profit. That's the same thing as clubbing seals and selling their fur for profit.
Sorry for being "rude" or "crass," my debating style just does not include flowery language or other sorts of BS. :)
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I can't say I support clubbing of seals. Generally I do lean more towards the fur is murder side of things although I do really like my leather Jacket.
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If it's ok to kill baby seals because there population can handle it why can't we just kill all the convicts in prisons i mean the human race could survive with out them around.
There is a blaring difference in your argument: Seals are not people.
Is it just seals? Or do you support abolishing animal deaths altogether? Would it be better to kill them the same way we kill cows (driving a spike through their head)? If you say no, then I don't believe you are thinking about this as clearly and rationally as you think you are.
Not to be smarmy, but you need to punctuate. It's hard to read what you're trying to get across.
You bring up a good point. For ages I've noticed a massive bias by the 'save the X' groups over saving animals which looks cute. People get hot under the collar about seals, but is anyone shouting about endangered vultures, or threatened spider populations?
For the record I'm not really against seal hunting on the same conditions that Ink gives, which probably aren't being fulfilled.
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Twisted - Hating the second largest country in the world for something a tiny population of it's northerners do isn't rational whatsoever.
I'll feel sorry for seals when they are proved to be self aware. The truth is, it's the circle of life and you have to deal with it. Human beings are at the top, and every animal kills the other animals underneath it. (So it's hugely more complicated then that. But that's the general understanding.)
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I'll feel sorry for seals when they are proved to be self aware. The truth is, it's the circle of life and you have to deal with it. Human beings are at the top, and every animal kills the other animals underneath it. (So it's hugely more complicated then that. But that's the general understanding.)
Exactly. It's nature. We are the best and are therfore entitled to prey upon lesser species to fufill our needs. While I am against killing endangered speicies, or just killing for sport, this is not the case here.
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What if the seals evolved to human-seals... that would be awesome, maybe they would make seal villages and have their own government, even their own military... walrus cavalry ftw!!
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Anyways, i cant say i like what happens to the poor seals. but what can i do...
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What if the seals evolved to human-seals... that would be awesome, maybe they would make seal villages and have their own government, even their own military... walrus cavalry ftw!!
Morbo?
(http://krazykimchi.com/imageboard/src/20061129morbo.gif)
"Evolution does not work that way!!!"
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The only difference between our hunting habits and those of other animals, is we can do it more efficiently.
Food, shelter, and clothing. The three basic necessities, as I was always taught. It's alright to kill animals for one of these, but not the others?
The people who own the cattle farms don't eat all that meat. They sell it and make a profit. They are killing animals for profit. That's the same thing as clubbing seals and selling their fur for profit.
Sorry for being "rude" or "crass," my debating style just does not include flowery language or other sorts of BS. :)
thats not really true...we also kill out of hate and anger
and stuff like that
and we also hunt animals for fun and entertainment
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Stuff
and stuff like that
and we also hunt animals for fun and entertainment
For teh lulz!
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Stuff
and stuff like that
and we also hunt animals for fun and entertainment
For teh lulz!
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*Attacks with mop*
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thats not really true...we also kill out of hate and anger... and entertainment
Yes, but I'd venture to say that the majority of seals are not killed for any of these reasons.
Plus, Krakow Sam agreed with something I said. It is truly an historic day!
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US Marine tosses puppy to it's death. (http://www.politics.co.uk/press-releases/outrage-at-us-marine-tossing-puppy-its-death-in-iraq-$1209795.htm) :'( Yes you heard that right :(.
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http://legoman.proboards18.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1204756438&page=1
Why the [Censor] does every forum I go to have a tradegdy?
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Forgive the callousness but, bad things happen. Nature dictates it. The odds of them happening to you are low however, the odds of them happening to some you know are high. The best you can do is to offer support to those who need it.
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I know people through various online communities that I am apart who have been raped. One one occasion more than once (She moved out of her house when she was like 14). Also have a sexual assault incident that's a little closer to home in real life. When you look at how many people you actually know the chance of something on this level is high. Off the top of my head people I know in real life ranging from family to acquaintances.
Have been:
Sexually assaulted,
Murdered
Committed Suicide
Had a student/teacher sexual relationship
Lists of medical problems longer then the great wall of China.
If you know enough people you will no a lot of tragedies.
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So true.
Personally, I don't see any problem in hunting seals and the like, it's just that humans overdo it more often than not *cough* whaling and illegal logging *cough*.
People get hot under the collar about seals, but is anyone shouting about endangered vultures, or threatened spider populations?
You're right. I for one, don't like the Monkey-Eating Eagle to go extinct. Because of extensive illegal logging, their natural habitat is being destroyed at a very fast rate. Not much can be done about that, though. :( There's also the issue about shark-fishing, which is also quite hard to abolish. Their body parts are sold for making medicines and shark-fin soup, which is considered a delicacy and if memory serves me right, an aphrodisiac. If creatures like these go away, it's anybodies guess what will happen to the global food web.
This whole thing just reminds me of the Tasmanian Tiger. Didn't get much sympathy just because it was labeled as a "pest" back then. If only they knew that the critters weren't the real ones that were killing their livestock. Now they're trying to clone it back into existence to try and correct their past mistakes, but it'll be some time before they could do that. The DNA left in the only remaining sample of it is damaged by years of being submerged in alcohol. :(
Most people seem to forget that "pests" are still animals.
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LadyM removed the video for safty reasons. I now agree that I should not have posted it.
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I took out the link, I think it's disturbing enough not to link people there. There are plenty of news articles about this without using visuals. This is not typical of a US soldier but of a mentally disturbed person who probably shouldn't be in the military at all.
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What, the Marine that threw a puppy off the cliff? The puppy was dead to begin with. It didn't move at all, even when it was going down.
You can find the video on LiveLeak if you're so inclined.
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What, the Marine that threw a puppy off the cliff? The puppy was dead to begin with. It didn't move at all, even when it was going down.
You can find the video on LiveLeak if you're so inclined.
You can hear it yiff.
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You can hear something yiff. I really don't think the dog was alive. "The puppy" doesn't start yiffing until after it was airborne for a bit, after the jerk forward to accelerate it. It seems like if it were alive it would have yiffed before it was that far along.
I'm not going to argue because I don't have more evidence and I've made every point that I can. :) It's just a very strong feeling that it wasn't alive.
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still being it already dead hardly makes it right.
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You can hear something yiff. I really don't think the dog was alive. "The puppy" doesn't start yiffing until after it was airborne for a bit, after the jerk forward to accelerate it. It seems like if it were alive it would have yiffed before it was that far along.
I'm not going to argue because I don't have more evidence and I've made every point that I can. :) It's just a very strong feeling that it wasn't alive.
Oh it was alive; simple explanation: Infant animals in the feline and canine family have an instant release of endorphins that calms them down when held by the neck. This is a survival tactic as in the wild noise attracts predators, the calmer the pup the less likely chance of the young being found (and consumed). I know it would have kept the puppy quiet longer but being thrown at that speed would have frightened any animal :P.
still being it already dead hardly makes it right.
I agree Cobra even if it were "really dead" that still doesn't make mutilating an animal by trajectory right >:(.
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I remember it turning it's head a little.
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still being it already dead hardly makes it right.
I don't know if it already was dead... but... what? Does that mean that it is immoral to cremate people?
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Some people say in their will that they want to be cremated when they die, which doesn't make it immoral if their families do so. The solider's friend that's recording is just as cruel as him, for laughing it off when he could have stopped him.
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You can hear something yiff. I really don't think the dog was alive. "The puppy" doesn't start yiffing until after it was airborne for a bit, after the jerk forward to accelerate it. It seems like if it were alive it would have yiffed before it was that far along.
I'm not going to argue because I don't have more evidence and I've made every point that I can. :) It's just a very strong feeling that it wasn't alive.
Oh it was alive; simple explanation: Infant animals in the feline and canine family have an instant release of endorphins that calms them down when held by the neck. This is a survival tactic as in the wild noise attracts predators, the calmer the pup the less likely chance of the young being found (and consumed). I know it would have kept the puppy quiet longer but being thrown at that speed would have frightened any animal :P
Hm... Maybe it was alive. Shameful that he thought that was a funny thing to do.
still being it already dead hardly makes it right.
No, I'm not saying that it was right. But there is a big difference between throwing a live puppy off a cliff and throwing a dead puppy's body off a cliff.
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Cremating is more of a ceremony. What that dude did to the pup has more to do with entertainment, his entertainment to be exact. *shivers* :-X
PRISON THRILLER THE TRUTH!
has it been discussed before?
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Cremating would be immoral if the persons wishes were to be buried or something else. Although even then it is still rather minor to dispose of a persons body against the way they wish compared to completely disregarding the corpse of another living and launching it off a cliff. If the puppy was alive then of course it's even worse.
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I don't know why, but the the phrase ''launching a corpse of a cliff'' is somewhat amusing.
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Castle siege?
http://youtube.com/results?search_query=thriller+prison&search_type=
http://youtube.com/results?search_query=thriller+prison+the+truth&search_type=
If the Mods determine the contents to be unsuitable for this topic, please remove these links.
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i don't know if any of you have heard of the girl who was ambushed and beat by 6 girls while two boys stood outside as lookouts. They videotaped the beating (supposedly revenge for a comment posted via internet) and posted it online (idiots). Anyway, they gave her a concussion and she hasn't recovered full vision or hearing.The beating lasted 30 minutes, and they used 5 cameras to videotape it. They even could be heard at one point saying "don't hit the shelf."
Anyway, if you want to see the video, search it. But I don't want to post it here, it's kinda brutal.
I don't know how she could have not fought back. I would have trouble not at least TRYING to rip their throats out. Seriously. If someone tried beating me that severely, and I would take any lethal objects nearby (or improvise) and I would at least try knocking them out.
Grr. At least prosecutors are trying to try them as adults.
edit: Just saw that when they were put into prison together, they were happy, and they even asked if they would go to cheerleading practice the next day. No remorse whatsoever.
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WOW that video is terrible. It shocks me that people would do that and then post it on the net. I am disgusted while people could just let something like that go on.
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I would post what I think of those girls, but after it's censored I don't think the leftover words would make a coherent sentence :)
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I seriously hope they have the book thrown at them I heard about it this morning on the radio it's truly sick those kids. I say kids even though they best be tried as adults.
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US Marine tosses puppy to it's death. (http://www.politics.co.uk/press-releases/outrage-at-us-marine-tossing-puppy-its-death-in-iraq-$1209795.htm) :'( Yes you heard that right :(.
Good job, douche.
the marine, that is.
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I don't know why, but the the phrase ''launching a corpse of a cliff'' is somewhat amusing.
Makes you wonder where one might find dead cliffs, and how they could even die in the first place, let alone how one might launch one.
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The marine throwing a puppy off a cliff video was revealed to be fake. It was a toy of some sort.
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Do you have a link to an article the confirms this Luminar?
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Someone at my school died today. He and some of his friends were coming from a party when their car hit the guard rail and flipped over. :'(
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I'm sorry, it's always sad to hear when young people die. :(
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Going to sound like an ass but..
Maybe the crashed because they were drinking at the party?
Only saying since 90% of the guys at my school are already drinking (even the freshman!) and on top of that most of the girls are either getting married or pregnant (freshmans aswell)
It makes me sad seeing others throw their lives away like this
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My condolences. :(
I was actually going to ask the same thing, incidentally.
The marine throwing a puppy off a cliff video was revealed to be fake. It was a toy of some sort.
Researching this:
"Mr Motari's local newspaper, the Herald, reported that it had shown the video to veterinarians at Washington State University, but they could not confirm whether it was genuine or not.
"If this is something legitimate, it's one of the most egregious acts of animal cruelty I have ever seen, if not the most," said Dr Matt Mickas, chief of Community Practice Services at the university's veterinary college.
But Dr Mickas said that the video did not appear fake to him because of the way the animal went slack by being held from the neck.
"To me, the sound on the YouTube clip sounded like a puppy in distress - the same sound we hear when the puppies come into the hospital," he said."
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article3481977.ece
Google News has no solid confirmations on the story either way.
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My condolences, Andrew.
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Guess what?
Some guy in the city I live in was just found, dead, in a Wheelie bin. Some Junkies killed the old man and hid him there.
Poor guy. I feel sorry for his daughter...
I hope they get arrested.
P.s: There is no link because It's just been verified. I'm in before the press.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUOanRJXCrM
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The sad sad tale of Kaizer's life:
I won't go into super fine detail about everything but heres just some of the more interesting moments of my childhood.
The first thing I ever remember doing was watching my father play Doom on his computer. I would always sit next to him and watch while my mother and sisters played and made supper (my sisters are both older than me by 2 and 5 years. Making me the youngest of 3 siblings). This was before I started my first day of Elementary school and like most children I didn't have much care for anything but playing and enjoying myself. Then right off the bat on the first day of school a kid tells the teacher I said a swear. Of course I don't even know what a swear is at that time and I had actually been keeping to myself the whole time. I was sent to the principles office for the remainder of the day and when I returned home my father and mother slapped me without even listening to me trying to say I was framed. It was at that moment I learned how cruel people can be.
Then the next big moment of hatred towards my town and its inhabitants happened the first day of fourth grade (the other grades were better than that horrible first day). Everything was fine and I was talking to kids about how I played my computer and had mastered DOS. This apparently is wrong in a town full of jock loving bastards. Since at recess I was strolling along getting fresh air (mind you I had no friends at this time) when this kid known as Dylan runs at me and punches me in my eye. I had to stay home for two days since I had temporarily lost sight in it. The kid Dylan was not apprehended at all for this. This is what I believe sparked the hell hole I came to know as society as the rest of the year was full of me getting pushed around and always targeted first in dodge ball.
Then we reach the summer by this time I had made a friendship with a kid from my street known as Sean (my Mom was babysitting him during the summer so I became close friends). Sadly that friendship was blown out of the water near the end of the summer by my Mom actually stealing from him to teach him a lesson about crying in public. Needless to say his father kept him from even talking to me and the only person I had ever called a friend was ripped away before I even knew it.
And so we reach the sixth grade. It was during this year that yet again kids bullied me and got away with it even when I told the teachers about their constant bullying (I had also told my parents who would not believe me). This year I decided to try some new ways of making friends. I figured I had done something wrong and went around apologizing to my classmates and saying "Hey um -Students name- I'm sorry if I did something to offend you but I was wondering if you wanted to hang out?". This was usually met with them telling me to shut the hell up or go away douche bag. Other small things happened such as one of the kids almost breaking my nose by pegging me in the face with a dodge ball after I had gotten out. Yet again this blatant disregard for rules was never brought to the principle or any other official for that matter. Near the end of the year I had made a small friendship with a kid named Brian who I hung out with sometimes, yet I never felt safe being around him. Then he finally pulled the trigger spreading a lie that I had tried to give him drugs. Naturally as soon as the teachers caught wind I got suspended without even getting to say he's lying.
It was around mid summer that year my parents found me to be acting mentally unstable (you would to if you had no friends, were being constantly beat up and bullied and no one would do a thing about it). So they sent me to a shrink. This of course did nothing to help as tensions between my parents rose (which would lead to the divorce). Near the end of the summer I refused to see him anymore and that ended that.
Seventh grade was the year I go to the new school which funneled 3 schools into one. The principle from my old school was of course the principle their as well. Same things happened until we reached winter. Bryan who still lived across the street was mocking me as I played in the snow making a snow fort by myself. I of course had had enough of this and snapped. I grabbed the metal shovel my father was shoveling with and started to chase after Bryan. This of course was thought horrible and the cops were called and restrained me for trying to assault him. My father got me out of the situation which was odd since he had only cared about my sisters up until now.
After the incident I turned to computers to comfort me and started to seclude myself from reality only caring for video games. This led me to actually shun my family on days such as Christmas and my own birthdays, which were held without me. Then comes 8th grade, by now I have lost pretty much all sanity and hope for living in the world (mental breakdowns etc). And to further this amazingly great life of mine my parents divorce and both try to get me to stay with them. Right as this is going on though a fellow classmate tries to flood the school and I get blamed for it. When I go to the principles office I'm met by perhaps the most horrible thing ever. The principle blackmails me into saying I committed this out of hatred or else I would be expelled. Even though 2 students (god bless them) actually stood up for me with a good deal of evidence I was innocent. Of course I still was suspended for 3 days.
Nearing the end of the school year I was contemplating the idea of actually bringing a gun to school and killing all of them. I had kept trying to shake it out of my mind saying things will get better. Before this happened my Mom dragged me off with her to Andover (rich neighborhood). I figured life would get better, and school wise it did. The kids were nice and actually listened to me. Bad things still occurred (mainly since I was living in a slum house). Such as my father still never listening and leading up to bad things such as the destruction of my signed bruins hockey stick and my computer and other electronics.
I was still on the verge of losing it, and the fact my mother was dating the trashiest man on earth didn't help (the man snorted coke right in front of us for gods sake!). I eventually got disowned by mother for charging her with a steak knife. I ended up living with my father here in the suburbs. I've calmed down allot since all those years ago but I still have days when I still have breakdowns. My father says to just get over it but things like that cant be gotten over.
If you read all that I thank you
If you don't believe me whatever it's still all true
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HOLY ****ING ****!
Paragraphs, mate!
Not that I don't appreciate your hard work, but no-one will read it if you can't tell one sentance from the one above it.
While most people at my school/area are bastards who can't think up anything wittier than a Mom joke, they still play Video Games a bit, so meh, saying how awsome I am at Halo 3 is more likely to get a "I'm better than you!" then "You nerd!"
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I don't think putting it in paragraphs would help much :-\.
Still a lot to read, but separation would be nice.
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Take your time :).
You'll need to...
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Is that better?
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I read that all, even as a wall. Damn it, I wouldn't have ever imagined how tough life was, even after you told me about some disappointing facts.
Kids can be terrible when it comes to social relationship, but I've never seen that getting so far.
I luckily earned my classmates' respect when I was a child, by being a nerd. Not that I didn't have to "help" them on their homeworks sometimes, but there's a point that I could just stop being the good fool and become the leave-him-alone good guy.
One thing that still saddens me is that my closest friends always have stuff to say about other people and their own life, while I'm just someone with lots to say, but no one to say it to.
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Need a Pal Tomas.
Can I be that Pal :3?
No, I am being serious.
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Nice wok on the paragraphs Kaizer ;).
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I have pals, just that none of them can talk about anything other than girls or booze, or football. And that gets quite boring at some point.
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Note: When a Year Group is 200 people, it's pretty damn easy to find someone who likes the same things as you, even if you live in a town full of *******s.
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I had 2 friends (4 if you count the ones who back stabbed me)
the thing is the the daughter of the high school football coach had it out for me along with her dad making me a enemy of the football fans (and the town loved football it was all they had going for them)
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I have pals, just that none of them can talk about anything other than girls or booze, or football. And that gets quite boring at some point.
Oh that's cool.
Just letting everyone know that I am very friendly/compassionate is all ;).
But you do have a point, my friends are the same way during lunch :(.
Pretty much sitting with girl swooning, blabbering, loud mouthed buffoons.
How am I a magnet for morons :-\?!
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200 people? Never had such thing. My year group is 27 people.
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one sad story such as this is no reason to be rid of capital punishment. It IS necessary. Anyway, I guess I got lucky as I have always been stronger than most kids in my hometown. Both physically and emotionally. The emotional part comes from the fact that I had to watch my mother slowly go mentally insane from the age of 8-13 (thats another story), the physical part is just the luck of the draw, I guess. Since I have always been a more dominate figure at my schools, it doesn't every matter how many times I quote video games in the football huddle, cause people most people like or respect me enough that they don't say anything more than a playful "Koszelak, Quit bein' such a nerd!". I have a brother who is older than me, and a his best friend may as well be my brother cause of how close we are and between the three of us we make up half of the football team and guess we are also the three hugest nerds the world has ever seen and its great! Anyway for those of you struggling with school and jocks do one of two things: Demand there respect, Speak to them with respect and whenever they don't return go off into a mad ramble it works no matter how small you are, believe if there is a 120 lbs nerd pacing around talking about how cheezits have wronged him and his family no one is going to screw with, I mean he may stab you if you do or spend a inert amount time around them and their girlfriends, dont flirt with them just help them when they need help and such. eventually these fellas will decided either that you are so crazy they have to respect, or that you are so nice that that have to respect you. I knwo people are gonna be like thats cheesy it doesn't work ERDURDUR DUR! but trust me it will.
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My year group # is 58
Yeah, I counted....
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUOanRJXCrM
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one sad story such as this is no reason to be rid of capital punishment. It IS necessary.
I think now after watching that video that capital punishment should maybe be limited to cases that are cruel and unusual (Like cannibalists and torture).
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vid :(
one sad story such as this is no reason to be rid of capital punishment. It IS necessary.
I think now after watching that video that capital punishment should maybe be limited to cases that are cruel and unusual (Like cannibalists and torture).
I agree, also that could apply to multiple/mass murder.
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Kaizer.
Man, if only I was there, I'd stand up for ya.
What's the problem with that principal, anyway? She should be neutral and not hold anything that might cause her to lean towards one party over the other. I also think that some of those people really need a good punch in the mouth.
Well, good luck, Kaizer. After College, things will probably have a turn for the better.
So, does anyone here have a backstabbing grandmother?
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Nope.
Both my grandmothers are dead :'(.
God I miss Nana...*sniff*
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And I thought I had it bad, but thats for another post.
Anyway I have a cold. :(
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Hope you feel better Flamester.
Also to cheer you up here:
(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg33/AnsemZ/bread.jpg?t=1208924319)
Hope you like :3
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Ever try gargling with salt? It really helps when you have nasal congestion.
One of the benefits of living near the sea is that it's less likely for you to have the flu.
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@Kaiser, I think you were brave to post your story. There are probably a lot of people who can identify with you and have been through similar things. This is a good place to make some friends as the people here seem to care about others and want to help. It's really sad to hear the effects of when parents screw up. They probably don't realize how much they're hurting the kids both mentally and physically until it's too late. Your father was wrong to destroy your property for your grades. He could have taken the items away for awhile but to destroy them in an act of anger was not okay. I wonder now how many times you've been on the other end of that anger.
Though it will be hard, try to keep your mind positive. Things will get better after high school. If you're going to college, it will be different and many people see that as a fresh start. Work toward becoming independent and take yourself out of that toxic environment as soon as you can. Know that you had nothing to do with your parents problems and don't let their poison seep into you any more. Killing yourself or others is never the answer. Failing grades do not mark a failing person. Those who picked on you may be having issues of their own or don't know any better. It takes maturity to learn compassion for others. These people from school won't matter later, you'll probably never see them again. It's a shame we remember those hurtful things for so long. Focus on yourself and what you need to do to make your life better. Please don't self destruct and become what others label you as. Each of us has free will and we can choose to be something better.
There will always be bad times throughout your life but there will be good times too. I've had my share of problems and when you go through them it's so hard but when you reach the other side you look back and wonder how you did it and you feel proud that you did and stronger because you survived. You don't sound like you've given up and I hope your not. Stay strong and be the best person you can be.
I hope things improve. :)
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Yeah, it gets better in uni. the social order from highschool means very little, and those who try to hang onto it don't last long.
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Kaiser: I'm kinda in that school full of jocks. The only respect I get is because of multiple assualts with pencils, books and at times I've even attacked somone with my schoolbag. Needless to say I got sent out of my first school through an evil head teacher who hated me for no reason. I could list the things that have gone awry in my life but I still feel sorry for you. Just be glad you were not at my schools. THAT is a real upsetting story.
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200 people? Never had such thing. My year group is 27 people.
Our school System has the need to cram all of us into one building.
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Man Kaizer, my heart goes out to you. I mean, I had to dela with bullying as well, but nothing like what you've gone through. I had alot of self doubt in thsoe days, I used to wonder if my 3 friends actually did like me or were just pretending, suicide was contempated, attacking back was contemplated. Luckily I waited it out and it all got better in high school.
Anywho, time for Martyk's sad story. My family has a history of tradgey, which luckily hasn't reared it's head in the last few years but I'm certain will come around again. Over the years, I've lost a cousin, two uncles, a great aunt and uncle, both grandfathers and one grandmother (whom admitidly I never met), all to unnatural causes. Avalanches, carbon-monoxide poisining, strokes, heartattacks, polio. Iz not nice.
Also, we have an interesting history of insurance scandals. Yay! you see, back in Austria, my great-grandfather was a huge automotive tycoon. He had millions of dollars to his name and he even owned a town. A town for god's sake! Anyway, when he died, it was supposed to all go to my grandmother, who was only around 6 or so at the time if memory serves, but was instead given to her aunts and uncles "in trust". Of course, when she was old enough to own it herself, they decided they didn't feel like giving it to her, and there began a series of lengthy court battles, all of which she lost as she was not the one in possetion of the expensive laywers. Then, after all those assets had been inherited by one aunt as the others died and it was spent away, the last good sum of the fortune, and the town, and a large number of family heirlooms, was donated to the church on her death, namely one priest.
My family heirlooms are in his livingroom.
Case #2. My father's uncle, sibling of my grandmother's if I'm not mistaken. He too lost the inheritance fortune but struck out on his own and made millions again for our family. One day, my parrents recived back a letter they had sent to him, returned because the recipiant was dead, apparently months before. Looking into it, they leanr that all his millions, instead of going to us, went to this one random couple whom my great-uncle had just met, who apparently had this sort of thing happen before. My great-uncle wasn't that old, nor was he sick, nor was he in an accident. He was just found dead one day with all his possesions signed over to this couple. And get this, the husband in the duo was once a policeman, and as such had connections throughout the judicial system. The case didn't go anywhere and there was never an investigation. Among the possetions signed over was my family tomb.
One day, my family could be dug up from there to make way for the relatives of a con artist.
Case #3. Long before I was born, my grandmother on my mother's side and my grandfather divorced. Living out in the rocky mountains, they continued to be friendly with eachother and each had properties next to one another, granted, they were like, 100 acres so the houses were a bit far apart. Anyway, my grandfather eventually remarried to someone I've never met but my mother has always reffered to as "The Wicked Witch of the West". As soon as they're married, she begins spending all my grandfather's money (I can't recall where he got it but I know he had alot) and upon his death, decides that half the inheritance isn't enough. So she appealed and ended up with the vast majority of the money, taken from my mother, grandmother and uncle, and the huge, 150ish acre property and god knows what else. Then, she sells the property, which I always loved as a child as did my mother, to a developer. Waiting for it to fall into disrepair so that they can clear it easier when the time comes, the old house has burnt down, the once green, gorgeous grassy hills have become overgrown and dryed out and it has been labled "Private Property", though that never stopped us, by rights it should've still been ours anyway.
So this one isn't as bad as the other's but it's the one that always hit the closest with me.
I'll admit, I'm a bit sketchy on the details of some of these stories as they're all second hand to me, but it did happen something along those lines. I've got other stories to tell, but I'm afraif I've been asked not to tell them to anybody. So sorry.
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That made me sad
I need more food to quell the sadness :'(
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Ice cream does the trick Kaizer.
Or chocolate, what ever you like more.
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(http://i30.tinypic.com/33c6r1u.jpg)
Help drown out the not-happy.
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Martyk's story sunds like that of a movie.
You could make your family history into a movie and make loads of money and buy back your st00f!
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The advertisement for girly arts and crafts at the bottom of this page is filling me with anger...how can a sad thread have a bunch of girls holding up lanyards and bloody smiling!!!
yer right plank lets go help him!!!
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The movie will either be called ":(" (prenounced "Sad face") or ">:(" ("Angry Face")
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just read your life story, Kaizer.
I must say, that changed the way i look at you.
Kodus, for surviving.
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I agree with Veraal.
Dude bravo, you turned out better than most people in your situation.
Just remember you got some buddies on the net :-*.
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Kaizer.
Man, if only I was there, I'd stand up for ya.
What's the problem with that principal, anyway? She should be neutral and not hold anything that might cause her to lean towards one party over the other. I also think that some of those people really need a good punch in the mouth.
Well, good luck, Kaizer. After College, things will probably have a turn for the better.
So, does anyone here have a backstabbing grandmother?
Yup, my grandmother on my Mom's side is a backstabbing Greek witch. I spent alot of time with her after my grandpa and aunt died, after my parents divorced and I decided I wanted to live with my dad, she decided she would disown me.
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Pardon me swamp but what a bitch >:(.
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Oh nah dude, no offense taken. I hate that bitch, but I try to be nice to her, cause she is rich. I know its horrible to wish death upon anyone, but seriously I can't wait for her to die, maybe just maybe I will get a piece of 2,000,000$ house they will sell when she dies. After all I did spend the vast majority of my childhood telling my friends "I can't come outside, my Grandma is really sad.", but knowing she will give it all to me banker uncles, rich pricks.
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200 people? Never had such thing. My year group is 27 people.
Graduating class at my school is 800....if that's what you mean by year group.
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Oh nah dude, no offense taken. I hate that bitch, but I try to be nice to her, cause she is rich. I know its horrible to wish death upon anyone, but seriously I can't wait for her to die, maybe just maybe I will get a piece of 2,000,000$ house they will sell when she dies. After all I did spend the vast majority of my childhood telling my friends "I can't come outside, my Grandma is really sad.", but knowing she will give it all to me banker uncles, rich pricks.
Oh man, it's much much more horrible if you were the one who worked for that sum.
My grandmother on my father's side of the family is a very colorful person. Cheerful, happy and always seems so harmless. Think again...
My Summer Vacation
When I was in the fourth grade, I took a vacation in my home province. All seemed to be going well, until...
When we first arrived at her house, we carried our luggage to a vacant room and locked it. Afterwards, we had lunch and then went to the beach. When we finally went back home, something strange happened. Our food was gone! One whole box of canned tuna for goodness sake! Whats more, the door was locked until we got back. How convenient. It was only after inspecting the room that I realized there was a trapdoor leading to the basement! They're good at this. And so, our first day ended.
On our second day there, we went to the mountains, or specifically, the mango plantations there that she owns. It took us about three hours to get there and three hours back. But it was worth it, since there was a really great view of the entire area from above. Plus, I was able to see the two-hundred or so mango trees that were there, which was only a fraction of the entire mango farm of about one-thousand or so trees. Well anyway, we were now back at the house. My brother decided to spend the rest of the day on the beach, and so we went there. Unfortunately, when we got home, all of our clothes "disappeared", though it was obvious that they stole it. And so, our second day there ended. Did I mention that I haven't eaten lunch and dinner yet? And that my finger got stuck on the door, and whose nail was subsequently crushed, much to my evil grandmother's delight. She was like, "ok.". My fingernail fell off, and she didn't even show any sympathy?! Come on! After getting my finger treated at the local hospital, I finally went to bed, with a broken finger and an empty stomach.
Finally, it was my third and last day in this place. Yes, I must admit everyone here is very nice and friendly, except for the ones at the house, ironically. After going to the beach for one last time, we packed our things and went to the airport, back to Manila. I really never expected it to be like this. It was more like a form of punishment than a vacation. Anyways, I steel feel very thankful for getting out of that place alive. They had three days to try and assassinate us, thankfully they didn't do it. Yes, they'll go as far as to kill me. That's how much they hate my mother's side of the family.
Well, that's it for now. I swear this is not the worst that she did. She is F-R-E-A-K-I-N horrible, and that's putting it very nicely. Unfortunately, I can't type it down now, because I have to go to school (enrollment). See you guys later.
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I would say that my chances of ever becoming popular in any group died when I was in preschool. Now I know what was meant, but when, as an impressionable toddler, I was told not to talk to strangers, and that strangers would attempt to hurt me, and that a stranger was "anyone I didn't know", I purposefully killed off the social parts of my brain to save my life. Now that I know what was meant, I try unsuccesfully to revive them. But I'll never be the same again.
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*Yuu's Story*
I must say I'm sorry to hear you have an evil grandmother. I've always had much love from my grandmother and step-grandmother (as my real grandmother on that side died before I was born, as said in the previous story)
On thing I noted is when you lost you nail. You went to the hospital for that? I've lost... 4 now I think. One in a door, one to horrible infection, one to prolonged wet conditions and one, I have no idea. I'm worried another might be going soon. Bad toe infection, my shoes are too tight.
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Try different fabrics. Some socks allow for better air circulation, and can really help reduce the effects of sweat in feet. Plus, try bulldog-type shoes, they're more comfortable, imo. Also, try and not wear socks as much as possible so your feet gets better blood circulation.
I hope that helps. :)
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TTT, try joining clubs in school. But only choose the one that you really like. There's a large chance you'll meet someone who you'll feel comfortable there. Or you could try and talk to the others on IRC and start building your strength up from there. :)
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Kodus, for surviving.
Don't blame me, I voted for Kang.
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EDIT:
TTT, try joining clubs in school. But only choose the one that you really like. There's a large chance you'll meet someone who you'll feel comfortable there. Or you could try and talk to the others on IRC and start building your strength up from there. :)
Actually, I recently have gotten loads more respect since I skipped two grades due to academic achievement. My previous classmates now think I'm amazing and commonly talk to me, and my new classmates are very friendly- well, all of them except the one thats doing really poorly and doesn't need to be reminded that someone two years younger is better at school than him.
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That's good to hear. :)
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If I were moved up two years I would be utterly, utterly destroyed.
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As would I.
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Eh... don't let getting moved up two years get to your head.
The first big issue is that being moved up two years doesn't make you *better* than other people. (No, not even academically, in the long run).
Second. School is if anything more about social education than academic education (Though obviously a broad education is essential) so make sure you don't end up some sort of pariah. >_>
This advice brought to you by someone who was never skipped ahead, so I probably don't know anything about it, or whatnot. But I think my points have some merit. ;)
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Technically, I would say that I, in an effort to become more popular, took your device into overdrive over the semester, KS. There are like 3 subjects I got an A in last semester that I'm getting Bs in this semester. ((And by my standards a B is a C is a D is an F, they're all not As.)
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Kodus, for surviving.
Don't blame me, I voted for Kang.
*Facepalm*
That wasn't funny. It would be in any other situation but not this one.
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I just read this today, from Hartford, Conn. A 78 yr old man was crossing the street when two cars, one chasing the other swerved traffic and struck him the darted down a side street. As he laid in the street, no one helped him, not one person sat down next to him to see if he was okay. The looked and gawked and walked away. Though later they said four people called 911 and he did get medical help, it's very sad to see that no one stopped traffic or offered any aid or comfort.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,363493,00.html
There is a link to the video if you want to see it. It might be disturbing.
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What is this world coming to?
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Not to sound oppositional, but isn't calling 911 helping? If I saw that happen, the first thing I would do is not run over to him, it would be to call 911. They are trained to help people in emergencies; I am not. I'm not saying no one should have stopped, I'm just saying that just because no one ran over to him doesn't mean they didn't try to help. The real people at fault here are the drivers of those two speeding cars.
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Now thats just plain cruel, leaving an old man to die in the street. Man if I had neighbors like that I'd think twice before crossing the street.
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What is this world coming to?
Two world wars.
Countless wars.
Go figure where toe world is coming to >_>
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http://edmontonsun.com/News/Canada/2008/07/31/6317416.html
http://news.aol.com/article/bus-killer-allegedly-ate-victims-flesh/111938
Well, this is all very disturbing. The suspect stabbed the victim, beheaded him, then apparently began eating his flesh.
Oh, and according to his employer, he's a "model employee" and they would have "no reason to let him go before this"
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So wait some guy just thorught I'm just going to srtab this guy sleeping on a bus for the heck of it?
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More or less, but accounts are conflicting. He stabbed the man to death without any reason, coldly and mechanically, gutted him, cut his head off, threw it in the bus driver's lap... According to some at least. According to others, he straight on decapitated the guy, then walked off the bus after everyone had left and stood about yelling at the police...
The only detail people can agree on is that a man stabbed and then decapitated another man on the bus.
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After looking around a bit, this seems to have happened on July 31, yet I have not heard about it on any of the 24 hour news channels nor was it in my Sunday paper. All the stories site an AP or Reuters press release.
Either the American media has decided to skip this grisly media circus or it's an internet hoax.
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Here's the story on the BBC new website. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7535840.stm)
Why would they lie?
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ok, so the guy sits next to a guy, then he stabs him. people might notice around him. he then decapitates him while they are both seated.(how would that work) and then bites the guy. and people didn't try and stop him?
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Bus Driver: Should I stop? Hmmm.. Heads I stop, tails I (SPLAT) RRRRRRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr "Everybody off!"
-Lego
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...comedian.
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Next time people start screaming and you're driving a bus, you see how fast you react. People rarely actually help someone in danger, we just freeze typically.
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Yea, I'm not sure what I would do, I mean wtf, that dude must be completely bat-**** bonkers.
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That, and a guy who has shown himself capable of murder is holding a rather large knife.
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Next time people start screaming and you're driving a bus, you see how fast you react. People rarely actually help someone in danger, we just freeze typically.
Mr. Murderer, meet Mr. Fire Extinguisher. FOOSH! This is the white fluffy blinding end. WHACK!, and this is the hard 1000psi capable metal end.
You are right though. It is fight or flight. Most people run unless they have had experience with fighting.
-Lego
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Unless you've been in fights before and know how to react, or have trained yourself to react, you won't. It's why a lot of police officers are found dead with two bullets fired from their guns and their guns in their holsters: They train by drawing, shooting twice, and putting their gun back in their holster. It's not like they think clearly when the chips are down, they do what they're trained to do.
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Well to my understanding, he jumped the guy while he was sleeping and began with the stabbing. Driver stops, everybody gets off. Here's where the accounts get hairy. The origional story said he chopped off the head and stepped off the bus, throwing it to the ground, but later storys are saying they locked him in. Anyway, given the fact that all they have is various eye witnesses and that the story keeps changing, I think it's been altered alot from the origional happenings to make for better television.
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Turns out it was just a husband and wife making out.
Curse those faulty eyewitness accounts!
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Let's make this the Beheadings in the News thread.
Man beheads girlfriend, is caught after chase (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hg1faFkxw26q88zLOEzNv2Bu-yCwD92B1JGO0)
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When a policeman tried to handcuff him, the suspect knifed the officer and flung the woman's head into a patrol car, Roussos said. The policeman was only slightly injured, police said.
Case for the taser, it would have allowed the situation to be stopped. Are the police in Santorini not armed normally?
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Russia and Georgia engaged in fierce military combat. After Georgian troops entered the South Ossetia separatist region that claims to be a part of Russia, in order to establish government control, Russia retaliated launching a division of "peacekeepers" into the officially Georgian territory. Separatists estimate that 1400 civilians are dead and the Russian army has lost 12 men.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7550354.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7550354.stm)
"US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice called on Russia to pull its troops out of Georgia and respect its territorial integrity."
Due to the media focus on the Olympic Games, this hasn't been announced through the world press as any war like this one should.
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It's BBC, one of the biggest News Channels in Britian, would you like ITV too with your BBC?
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This should get a more extended coverage, I'm not sure how much attention the press is giving this event, even if it has been reported by BBC, or some other means of communication.
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Ah, the old 'Sudetenland Gambit'. Russia claims Georgians are oppressing ethnic Russians, and would much rather they were oppressed by other Russians.
Russia will get away with it, because it is big and, if it really wanted to, it could sweep into Georgia and depose the Government there with ease. Georgia will have no choice but to acquiesce and allow it's territory to be annexed, or try and depend on International Intervention which will never come because Russia is a major power and thus does whatever the hell it wants, and seems to rather enjoy openly flaunting it's refusal to comply with the wishes of the UN.
Putin's puppet behaves a lot like him.
Of course, the Georgian Leader could just have allowed the region it's independence 16 years ago, but most countries seem to prefer behaving like a sort of medieval Count and keeping control over their peasants.
What a pointless, ugly war.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_III#Historical_close_calls_and_lead-ups (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_III#Historical_close_calls_and_lead-ups)
Jesus, look at the last one. If the NATO gets involved we are in for a lot of hell.
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In a major conflict featuring NATO, the U.S., and it's pals vs. Russia, I'm confident that we could win, but Russia might use it's nuclear capabilities to effectively f*** up the planet. Which would suck.
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In a major conflict featuring NATO, the U.S., and it's pals vs. Russia, I'm confident that we could win, but America might use it's nuclear capabilities to effectively f*** up the planet. Which would suck.
<_<
But seriously, nobody wants to start a nuclear holocaust. In any case, since the Russian army is even less competent than the Coalition Forces™, if the Georgians are even half serious about retaining possession of their country and own more than one pointy stick, they can look forward to a good decade or so of military quagmire, devaluing rubles and total alienation from Europe.
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No World War III is coming. As Mr. C said, Russia will just get away with it and nobody will even remember this in some time. Which is rather sad for Georgia, their president looked quite stressed in the BBC interview, but maybe that's just me.
If not even the Cold War could trigger a world war, I see no reason for which this invasion will do so. Of course that there will be some diplomatic tension towards Russia around the world, but that's about it.
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Russia's collapsing, its leader wants to go back to the good old days of communism' and vetoed sanctions against Zimbabwe so they could continue selling them guns to use on their civilians, there's a very high proportion of old people when compared to the young, corruption is rife and thanks to its continuing use of strong-arm tactics it's losing allot of support from the neighbours.
The only thing it's got going for it is the gas pipelines.
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A part of me wonders just what a country that claims to be good can do to help countries undergoing genocide. Won't they just be considered as meddling for having the audacity to go where they aren't wanted?
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You're right Axel we should just ignore the floods of people fleeing a country collapsing in on itself and continue providing them with military equipment and torture devices.
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Now now, I never said what we should/n't do, Werechicken, now did I? I just said that I wonder what can be done to end things like genocide since, nine times out of ten, the mere suggestion of it leads to people saying "You can't meddle in the affairs of another country".
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I just hope the British government make a sensible decision this time.
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All in all, it's bad for Russia. They gain one piddly plot of land and lose the pseudo-respect of other nations. I say fight back, if only because we don't want Russia getting any bigger.
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Most of Russia is un-populated anyway. Who really cares if it gets a tiny bit bigger? If we fight over a little bit of land, then why not fight over nuclear bombs with Iran(just an example)?
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Well it does have a population of 142,008,838, that's a lot of people Kenobro (but I do know what you mean, most of the region is empty but still relatively large pop count).
But I do agree, fighting over land in the Soviet Union hub is unwise.
WW3 here we come :)
(Just so people are aware, it's a joke)
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WW3 here we come :)
Certainly hope not, what with our economy falling here in the UK and in other European countries (Italy springs to mind) then more money to be pumped into a war machine can only be bad.
I say this in a nice way, but if it is going to happen then I only want battles between the USA and Russia to be over the pacific, and leave us Europeans alone. ;)
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Today, I came across a man sitting on the side of the road beating a cute puppy with equally cute kitten. Put that in your blues and smoke it.
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WHAT THE EFF!?
WW3 here we come :)
Certainly hope not, what with our economy falling here in the UK and in other European countries (Italy springs to mind) then more money to be pumped into a war machine can only be bad.
I say this in a nice way, but if it is going to happen then I only want battles between the USA and Russia to be over the pacific, and leave us Europeans alone. ;)
WW3 here we come :)
(Just so people are aware, it's a joke)
.... IT WAS A JOOOOOOOOKE! :D
(felt like that post had no value :()
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Toddler starved to death for not saying amen. (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1043972/Toddler-starved-death-religious-cult-wouldnt-say-amen.html)
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Eh, Daily Fail.
Any reliable sources on that?
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Well I'm not sure if this is news but, my Uncle, the oldest son of my Great Grandmother recently died of a deadly combination of lung cancer and brain cancer. The main culprit was his constant smoking, he was 63 with a surviving Wife of 23 years and 1 son :(.
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Eh, Daily Fail.
Any reliable sources on that?
The Age (http://www.theage.com.au/world/cult-starved-boy-who-wouldnt-say-amen-20080812-3tuo.html)
FOXNews <Stifled laughter> (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,402004,00.html)
Orlando Sentinel (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/services/newspaper/printedition/tuesday/orl-cult1208aug12,0,1888174.story)
CBS (http://cbs3.com/local/South.Philadelphia.Toddler.2.792979.html)
I'm not sure of the reliability of any one, but I would imagine if the varying sources agree on it, then it holds water.
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Today, I came across a man sitting on the side of the road beating a cute puppy with equally cute kitten. Put that in your blues and smoke it.
You witnessed that? So cruel :'(
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Eh, Daily Fail.
Any reliable sources on that?
The Age (http://www.theage.com.au/world/cult-starved-boy-who-wouldnt-say-amen-20080812-3tuo.html)
FOXNews <Stifled laughter> (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,402004,00.html)
Orlando Sentinel (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/services/newspaper/printedition/tuesday/orl-cult1208aug12,0,1888174.story)
CBS (http://cbs3.com/local/South.Philadelphia.Toddler.2.792979.html)
I'm not sure of the reliability of any one, but I would imagine if the varying sources agree on it, then it holds water.
Cheers. Cultists... there's not really much else to say. Crazy, and horrible.
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Starving your child is just wrong... I mean, sending them to bed without dinner alone is mean, to starve them is unconscionable. These kind of people should not be parents...
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People like that should starve themselves. Or just self-neuter.
P.S. http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,24193291-401,00.html (http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,24193291-401,00.html) Now were screwed. Well not me, I live in Missouri. But still, this is terrible news.
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.... Well, everyone, the Cold War has just entered round 2.
Edit: Hmmm... It seems Russia made no direct threat of nuclear attack. They've just said that "If you make what we consider an aggressive move, we will not hesitate to attack you" and that such aggressive actions could, possibly, include nuclear weapons.
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What I got from the article is Russia saying, "If we can, we will. Blow you up that is." This will be even more true if the U.S. gives Poland those missiles.
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The US aren't stupid, though. Remember the Cuban missile crisis and Turkey? They're going to come to some sort of agreement, of that you can be certain.
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The thing is that the U.S. is on some sort of level reasonable, but Russia has some officials that are certifiably insane. (I'm lookin' at you Medvedev.) That alone could make this situation dangerous. But again, I live in Missouri, so as far as I'm concerned the only threats to me are comet impacts and tornadoes. :D
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http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=BOj7Nxcn6gg
10.000 AWOL Iraqi vets in the US and Canada now, here is one of them speaking up.
What ended the Vietnam war was not the hippies or peace movements, it was the dissent of soldiers forming the "sir no sir" resistance and lobbing grenades on their officers.
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I disagree. I think it was their people no longer supporting it. After all, as soon as you get a leader who says "We're going to end this war", you will immediately get them in power. Troops turning against their officers just adds a little flame to an already raging inferno.
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Today, I came across a man sitting on the side of the road beating a cute puppy with equally cute kitten. Put that in your blues and smoke it.
I'm not attacking you but is there any reason you didn't interfere and try and stop him.
I would of ether beat him down. Or beat him down to a lesser extent and hold him until the cops got there.
Or if you aren't physically able to do that at least call the police?.
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Today, I came across a man sitting on the side of the road beating a cute puppy with equally cute kitten. Put that in your blues and smoke it.
I'm not attacking you but is there any reason you didn't interfere and try and stop him.
I would of ether beat him down. Or beat him down to a lesser extent and hold him until the cops got there.
Or if you aren't physically able to do that at least call the police?.
Hint: Someone is joking.
Hint 2: Attacking psychopaths in the street is not a good idea.
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Hint 2: Attacking psychopaths in the street is not a good idea.
I feel for mankind when people only worry and care about themselves...
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Hint 2: Attacking psychopaths in the street is not a good idea.
I feel for mankind when people only worry and care about themselves...
I feel for those who would risk their life for wounded animals.
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Hint 2: Attacking psychopaths in the street is not a good idea.
I feel for mankind when people only worry and care about themselves...
I feel for those who would risk their life for wounded animals.
Thanks for strengthening my point.
I have no idea how anybody with half a heart could walk by and witness that. And just think to them *geez thats cruel* and keep walking if they could stop it.
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It didn't happen.
Seriously, is your irony meter broken or something? It wasn't even that subtle, and someone else actually straight-out told you earlier.
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It didn't happen.
Seriously, is your irony meter broken or something? It wasn't even that subtle, and someone else actually straight-out told you earlier.
Whether or it happened or not does not matter. I was addressing Mr, Cs second point.
It wasn't that subtle and i straight up quoted it earlier.
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Simple answer, Gorman, is that it's illogical to help out. If you draw a weapon, you're committing assault, but if you don't, you leave yourself vulnerable. It's probably illegal to do so anyway in most places anyway. Call the police, that's the best answer, maybe yell at him to stop if you do have a weapon, but it's still hardly worth risking your own life for an animal any further than you need to.
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Attacking someone who may have a weapon is never a good idea, especially over beaten animals. They may even begin swinging said animals at you. If there is a person at stake then it's a bit different, but calling the cops is still the best possible choice in this situation. But, either way, it was a joke.
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http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/GRA377242.htm
The US likes to imprison journalists (and others) indefinitely without charges.
If that's too political for you, here's one about a guy tossing a grenade into his brother's wedding (19 dead, dozens wounded):
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2008/08/2008824193147498904.html
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If there is a person at stake then it's a bit different.
Then would you guys say its *too risky* if it were a person being beaten and not an animal?.
I may of overreacted a bit. I care about animals more then most people do so its just probably me.
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If it was a person, again, it depends on armament, the size of the person, etc. Besides, how do you know the person doing the beating is a bad guy? They could be defending themselves and winning.
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True. So again, we go back to calling the police. Let them sort it out.
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True. So again, we go back to calling the police. Let them sort it out.
Takes too long the person could be killed or severely injured. 911 is not something you dial and superman instantly appears to save the day.
Whats the world coming too when people are to frightened for themselves to help others?.
I am to the point where i do not trust anybody anymore. People don't just care anymore.
If i was mugged everyone would be too afraid to stop the guy. If i fell and cracked my head no one would help me in case i had aids... My life would rely on how fast the cops/paramedics could get there provided somebody actually called them.
An animal is one thing thats just me.
But when another humans life is at stake no risk is to great. If you have the power to help in a situation and you don't then you are a selfish coward in my eyes.
I don't mean be foolish for example, if somebody is holding a store clerk at gunpoint don't charge him like a mad bull obviously.
I'm saying if you can help you should help.
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There's a phenomenon (which I forget the name of) where groups of people won't act to stop something that they would stop if they alone.
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The Bystander Effect?
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Yeah, that one.
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If they're not going to stop a woman being raped on the subway they aren't going to stop for baby-animal on baby-animal beatings.
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I think you underestimate the actual danger you'd be in if you tried to stop a psychopathic killer on your own. There's a very good reason you don't stop bank robbers and try to be a hero, and it's the same reason why endangering your own life to save an animal's is flat-out stupid. You'd have to be retarded to put yourself in danger for something which just isn't worth it, especially when you could call the cops and let them deal with it.
Of course, I guess you could just let us know from your hospital bed how it went next time you try. ::)
It's very easy to try to portray yourself as tough, macho or impeccably selfless on the internet. Strangely those qualities tend to be an exaggeration.
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This is why I don't like gun control, though; because, if need be, you can sneak up behind anyone, draw your weapon, and tell them to stop. Suddenly, you are no longer concerned about possible armament. If you can level the playing field, you can stop the problem and bring the conflict to an end (Preferably without violence, but with it if necessary) and limit the damage.
A citizen trained with a weapon there immediately can do a lot more to save someone's life than police officers who arrive fifteen minutes later and arrive unaware of the situation.
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I knew someone was going to try to bring that into this.
It's the same reason I'm against gun legalisation. The psychopath is far less likely to own a dangerous weapon with which to shoot you back if you try to be a hero.
This US notion that "if everyone had guns we'd be safer" is ridiculous. It only works when there is a tendency for criminals to be carrying guns in the first place, which is more likely in the US since guns have been legal for so long it's easy to get ahold of them. In most countries where it's illegal to carry guns around with you, far fewer criminals have them and commit crimes with them (and so the "if you ban guns, only criminals will have guns" argument just doesn't fly), meaning that you don't need a gun to protect yourself. The real problem with the US is that people advocate for gun legalisation without realising that a primary factor in many gun control systems failing is the huge supply of weaponry already on the market.
But I think it's safe to say that even if you had a gun you wouldn't get up in the middle of a bank robbery and try to take down the robbers.
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If said psychopath had such a weapon, they have either used it already (And therefore citizens are dead) or haven't got it drawn (And therefore can be taken down). Simple logic there. We could go on and on about the benefit and detriment to gun ownership in a country. The fact is, though, that if you saw someone getting raped, you can stop them by drawing a weapon on them. In a bank robbery, the situation is obviously against you, though. Multiple robbers, who are probably armed, are more of a threat than one person can handle and, in the end, it's likely that they don't have violent intentions. Less harm is likely to come to you and all the other innocent people there than if you draw a weapon. However, if you catch one person in the act, unaware of your presence and, better still, not armed with anything equal to what you have, you can end the situation then and there.
Long story short, there are situations where firearms are a boon and times they are not. I'd much rather be walking around with a gun than not, and I can do far more good with one than without.
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I think you underestimate the actual danger you'd be in if you tried to stop a psychopathic killer on your own. There's a very good reason you don't stop bank robbers and try to be a hero, and it's the same reason why endangering your own life to save an animal's is flat-out stupid. You'd have to be retarded to put yourself in danger for something which just isn't worth it, especially when you could call the cops and let them deal with it.
Of course, I guess you could just let us know from your hospital bed how it went next time you try. ::)
It's very easy to try to portray yourself as tough, macho or impeccably selfless on the internet. Strangely those qualities tend to be an exaggeration.
There *are* times when it is foolish and you should not do it like when somebody has a gun.
Of course theres danger a lot of it actually. But could you live with yourself if you watched a person be killed and you did nothing to help him even though you were actually able to? But only because you didn't want to put yourself in danger?.
And whats *worth it* is in the eye of the beholder.
You don't have to be macho or brave or a black belt in martial arts Daxx.
On more then on occasion i have helped. I don't claim to be hero because its what i would expect anybody to do who is able. And once i did indeed have to go to the hospital.
I had depression and just got over a bout with the flu. So i was both physically and mentally weak. 2 gang bangers jumped a friend of mine. I stepped in one gang members way and put my hands up open palm as if i was signaling a car to stop. And i just said stop.
He beat me to a pulp. I was not in the state to fight back. Other people were around including some people my friend would have called friends. I was the only one to help him and nobody helped me. My friend never forgot what i did. Though he was my friend i would have done it for a stranger too.
If putting myself in danger for others labels me stupid then so be it.
I would rather be stupid and live to serve others then be smart and serve only myself.
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Gorman, if we ever meet, I owe you some pancakes.
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Axel, of course you'd rather be walking around with a gun. But that doesn't justify you having one. After all, who's to say that you'll only use it for good? Even if you sincerely believe that, how can you trust other people not to make stupid judgement calls (since of course if you are allowed to have a gun everyone else should be too, unless you're willing to go down the fascist route)? That's the reason why we have trained police forces, and why vigilantism and lynching is illegal.
Gorman, you may yet live (or rather not) to regret your views. Of course, you're really diverging from the initial thing which you totally failed to see was a joke, and are apparently trying to make a nebulous statement about how being a hero is a good thing (and how you're all brave and awesome and **** for putting yourself in danger). I'm not sure what point you're trying to prove.
It just seems like special pleading on your part to make up situations which are unrelated to the initial joke, justify them by saying "I don't mean be foolish for example, if somebody is holding a store clerk at gunpoint don't charge him like a mad bull obviously" and then argue about them rather than the concept as a whole.
In other news for your blues:
http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=9344062&ch=4226713&src=news
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Poor animal...
And, by the way, Daxx, police officers are often corrupt too. Everyone having the option of having a weapon just means that there's a greater likelihood that people can do good than evil. Yes, there will be bad people, there will be irresponsible people, but there will ALWAYS be that sort of people. It's not right to take away someone's ability to defend themselves unless they've proven themselves to be a threat to you.
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That makes no sense. A gun is not designed for self defence any more than a nuclear weapon is, though you're using the same principle of MAD to justify their existence in that capacity. But you wouldn't use the same argument against nuclear non-proliferation, would you? I guess the nuclear powers of the world should just give every country the technology, by that logic.
Is a society safer when everyone has a gun to everyone else's head the whole time, or when no-one except an incredibly tiny minority can even get ahold of one, let alone use it? I think you'd have difficulty convincing me that it's the former.
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A nuclear weapon is different to a hand-held gun in the same way a grenade is to a scalpel, Daxx. Poor comparison. One is capable of precision and can be used as such, the other is for causing as much destruction and harm as possible.
As for an incredibly tiny minority holding all the power, I believe that's called a military junta. I believe power rests with the people, which is why in any free society, we can vote and, if we can't, we can revolt. Taking away firearms from the people only ensures an increase in power for those who have them. Besides, as drug prohibition and firearms bans have shown, it just doesn't work and means that if someone has a gun other than the police, they're going to use it for evil, not good.
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A nuclear weapon is different to a hand-held gun in the same way a grenade is to a scalpel, Daxx. Poor comparison. One is capable of precision and can be used as such, the other is for causing as much destruction and harm as possible.
No, what I mean is that you're using them for defence in the exact same way. It's simple game theory - MAD rests on the principle that the ability to take extreme punitive measures is a good deterrent. But of course, it's like the prisoner's dilemma. You're better off co-operating than defecting, even though defecting is the more attractive option. You wouldn't justify giving everyone nukes so that no country would get nuked, so why give everyone guns so that no-one would get shot? It's both counterintuitive and illogical.
As for an incredibly tiny minority holding all the power, I believe that's called a military junta.
No, an incredibly tiny minority refers to the incredibly tiny number of gun-toting criminals in civilised countries where guns haven't been legalised, who are statistically insignificant. I would have said zero, so that you couldn't twist it like that, but that wouldn't have been accurate.
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No, what I mean is that you're using them for defence in the exact same way. It's simple game theory - MAD rests on the principle that the ability to take extreme punitive measures is a good deterrent. But of course, it's like the prisoner's dilemma. You're better off co-operating than defecting, even though defecting is the more attractive option. You would justify giving everyone nukes so that we're all safe, so why guns?
Nukes kept Russia and America from going to war but that's not the point. However, by the logic that this is a bad idea, you seem to suggest that the police are a bad idea. If you break the law, you take the risk of incurring extreme punitive measures. Are you saying the police are a bad idea?
No, an incredibly tiny minority refers to the incredibly tiny number criminals who are statistically insignificant.
Ah, so you are suggesting a society is safer when only criminals and the police have weapons? Not in the US, at least.
To quote John Lott, senior research scientist at the University of Maryland, "crimes are stopped with guns about five times as frequently as crimes are committed with guns". You may like the idea of not having to defend yourself or leaving yourself defenseless, Daxx, but not me. Besides, people who get CCW's are often more law abiding than other people.
"In Florida, where 315,000 permits have been issued, there are only five known instances of violent gun crime by a person with a permit. This makes a permit-holding Floridian the cream of the crop of law-abiding citizens, 840 times less likely to commit a violent firearm crime than a randomly selected Floridian without a permit."
“So far in Virginia, not a single Virginia permit holder has been involved in a violent crime. Similar results have been observed in Kentucky, Nevada, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee and other states for which detailed records are available"
All this and more in this handy dandy fact sheet (http://www.nowandfutures.com/d2/GunsStopCrime_GunsSaveLivesfact_sheet.pdf)
The fact is, guns save lives and you have said yourself that you'd prefer only criminals and police have them instead of offering them to law abiding citizens. The police are just people too, Daxx, so why should they be allowed more power than the you or I? Let them deal with the law but let people protect themselves too. After all, if you trust the police, who will police the police?
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No, what I mean is that you're using them for defence in the exact same way. It's simple game theory - MAD rests on the principle that the ability to take extreme punitive measures is a good deterrent. But of course, it's like the prisoner's dilemma. You're better off co-operating than defecting, even though defecting is the more attractive option. You wouldn't justify giving everyone nukes so that no country would get nuked, so why give everyone guns so that no-one would get shot? It's both counterintuitive and illogical.
Nukes kept Russia and America from going to war but that's not the point. However, by the logic that this is a bad idea, you seem to suggest that the police are a bad idea. If you break the law, you take the risk of incurring extreme punitive measures. Are you saying the police are a bad idea?
No, you're not following me in the slightest. I know it's complicated, but let me reiterate.
MAD is not a favourable state. Since we can apply the logic of the prisoner's dilemma to this situation, we have a Nash equilibrium where everyone has guns to protect themselves, leading to a situation whereby neither party in the game is defecting whilst the others co-operate (the crime situation). However this leads to a socially less favourable outcome than if both parties were to co-operate (this is apparent if we consider vigilantism and other attendant negatives of gun ownership to be a bad thing), which is also a "non-crime" situation.
If that's hard to follow, the simple way to describe it is that it is a preferable situation for no-one to have guns rather than for everyone to have guns; though each leads to a "non-crime" outcome.
The police would not be comparable under this logic, because the police are assumed to not have the utility penalty assigned to vigilantism.
No, an incredibly tiny minority refers to the incredibly tiny number criminals who are statistically insignificant.
Ah, so you are suggesting a society is safer when only criminals and the police have weapons? Not in the US, at least.
What I am suggesting is that in most civilised countries without gun legalisation these criminals with guns make up such a statistically insignificant proportion of crimes that societal utility is higher than if everyone (including other criminals, households where accidents occur, etc.) were to have a gun. It's very simple. The reason this does not work in the US is because the supply of guns available to the grey and black markets is huge, because guns do not depreciate very fast. Safety doesn't solely arise from "only the criminals and police having weapons", as you're implying, nor is it a reasonable assumption to make that all criminals have weapons (as we have debunked time and time again) but from the net balance of utilities.
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No, you're not following me in the slightest. I know it's complicated, but let me reiterate.
MAD is not a favourable state. Since we can apply the logic of the prisoner's dilemma to this situation, we have a Nash equilibrium where everyone has guns to protect themselves, leading to a situation whereby neither party in the game is defecting whilst the others co-operate (the crime situation). However this leads to a socially less favourable outcome than if both parties were to co-operate (this is apparent if we consider vigilantism and other attendant negatives of gun ownership to be a bad thing), which is also a "non-crime" situation.
If that's hard to follow, the simple way to describe it is that it is a preferable situation for no-one to have guns rather than for everyone to have guns; though each leads to a "non-crime" outcome.
The police would not be comparable under this logic, because the police are assumed to not have the utility penalty assigned to vigilantism.
Vigilantism can happen with baseball bats, pitch forks, even just robes, as lynch mobs prove. To suggest that guns make it likely to happen is just silly, it just makes it easier. Guns, however, make it easier to resist mobs too.
You seem to believe that people not having guns will somehow make society safer but I can guarantee that I could kill you with a crowbar if I wanted to. A key difference is, I can't kill a 300 pound guy who is stronger than me or more than one person and so on. A gun just assures an equal playing field. It's not this magical tool that gives people a power they didn't have beforehand, it just levels the playing field. It makes the individual on a level playing field. No longer do the duo or trio of criminals have an advantage over the home-owner, nor the aggressive man over the meek woman.
Your logic is flawed, Daxx. All the removal of guns from the populace would ensure is that the average person couldn't defend themselves from the criminal element that has them, and it will not lead to a decline in crimes. Often, it only leads to an increase (See Australia, England, Wales, Scotland, etc.).
The average law abiding citizen uses their weapon to stop crimes, not cause them, and there is an endless list of stories about how people have been saved thanks to having a gun available.
Lastly, Daxx, your speech style is not conducive to proper debate. Utility penalty? You state things on the assumption that everyone automatically refers to the terms which you use when you could simply spell it out and make the debate more available to those who don't study economics. I'm not the first one to voice this, and it's a fairly annoying problem.
What I am suggesting is that in most civilised countries without gun legalisation these criminals with guns make up such a statistically insignificant proportion of crimes that societal utility is higher than if everyone (including other criminals, households where accidents occur, etc.) were to have a gun. It's very simple. The reason this does not work in the US is because the supply of guns available to the grey and black markets is huge, because guns do not depreciate very fast. Safety doesn't solely arise from "only the criminals and police having weapons", as you're implying, nor is it a reasonable assumption to make that all criminals have weapons (as we have debunked time and time again) but from the net balance of utilities.
Criminals are always a statistically insignificant portion of the population. If guns are available to everyone who is mentally capable, this will not cause a higher crime rate for the same reason that everyone having knives does not lead to higher knife crime: Because the number of people who are going to commit crimes is statistically low, as you say. Hence, more people having weapons will not result in a statistically significant rise in the percentage of population that commits crimes. However, it will ensure that a statistically viable number of crimes will be stopped through the use of firearms in self defense and through the suggestion of them being available. Proof of it exists in Toronto, where neighbourhoods with higher gun ownership rates are less often assaulted by areas where firearms ownership rates are low.
We could go on and on, Daxx. I suppose this isn't the place for this debate, though.
On news for your blues, a double whammy.
People dead from tainted meat (http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/08/25/health-listeriosis.html)
Mugabe's trying to hold onto power (http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2008/08/25/zimbabwe.html)... But the good news is, he's failing.
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Mm....I think we already have a thread for that.
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Augh. You actually aren't following me at all. You're making an admirable attempt to hold onto the conversation by picking out words and phrases you think you understand, but you really don't get it (example: your response to the term vigilantism belies your lack of understanding of its meaning in the context of my argument). I'm going to call a spade a spade and call you on your lack of comprehension.
This is frustrating. I'm trying to explain economic theory to you, but your only response is to make strawmen and complain that I'm using complicated terms. Don't bother debating me if you can't be bothered to use Google or Wikipedia to look up very basic terms, because I'm certainly not going to include pages upon pages of definitions and first principles in my posts on the off chance that you might not have heard of one of them. Technical terms are like mathematical lemmata, they are a shorthand which you should be expected to know when you're having a high-level conversation. If you don't understand something you could at least ask rather than try to bluff it.
You seem to believe that people not having guns will somehow make society safer but I can guarantee that I could kill you with a crowbar if I wanted to.
Debunked before in the earlier thread. Households where guns aren't present are less likely to suffer domestic homicides and firearms accidents. Furthermore, not all homicides are premeditated and studies have demonstrated that the availability of weaponry does contribute to the homicide rate (since people tend to get assaulted rather than die more frequently when less lethal weapons are available). On a statistically significant level, lowering gun ownership reduces these things and therefore the base utility of ownership is negative (the utility gains from not being robbed are the variable in the prisoner's dilemma here).
Criminals are always a statistically insignificant portion of the population. If guns are available to everyone who is mentally capable, this will not cause a higher crime rate for the same reason that everyone having knives does not lead to higher knife crime: Because the number of people who are going to commit crimes is statistically low, as you say.
You clearly don't understand the point I was making, which was that in the two extreme situations of "everyone has a gun" and "no-one has a gun" the "no-one has a gun" situation clearly gives a higher net social utility (your justification of gun ownership as increasing utility through a MAD-like Nash equilibrium with the criminals being irrelevent in these two cases). The suggestion was that since gun crime is such a statistically insignificant factor in most civilised countries where guns are illegal, that the second scenario is a not unrealistic one.
Also:
everyone having knives does not lead to higher knife crime
What planet are you living on?
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Technical terms are like mathematical lemmata
Ahem. Hey Daxx, I assume you're in college (almost finished from what I can tell) and I assume that Axel is in high school. Therefore, using college level terms will get you nowhere with someone not yet at that level of education. Of course, I am but a lowly 13 year old, but that seems like quite an oversight on your part.
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Actually, I'm in College (Second year) and he's a graduate.
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Rorschach didn't use a gun. Just thought I'd mention that.
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If you outlaw toilet seat only outlaws will have toilet seats.
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Dear Russia: **** you, you're insane. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/aug/26/russia.georgia2)
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Putin misses the good old days.
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Jesus Christ.
Why won't everyone just get on?
This time, Russia and the US have practically nothing to argue about. This isn't some RTS game where you have to beat the other guy, this is life.
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You are absolutely correct. Russia may be freakin' insane, but they aren't that dumb. They know war would result in a total loss. Besides, another cold war would be bad news for everyone involved. Another period with a lack of forward thinking and more economic stagnation? No thanks.
Actually, I'm in College (Second year) and he's a graduate.
So you both entered college early? Or did you just do your work faster? Please elaborate, because I would like to do what ever you're doing too.
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I think Daxx and Axelgear are just older than you, Cow.
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I'm 21, nearly 22. I've had 13 years of schooling (6 primary, 5 secondary and 2 sixth-form) and then 3 years of undergrad at Oxford. I'm taking a year out this year, and going back to do my masters and then doctorate.
I don't know how old anyone else is and why it would matter.
Technical terms are like mathematical lemmata
Ahem. Hey Daxx, I assume you're in college (almost finished from what I can tell) and I assume that Axel is in high school. Therefore, using college level terms will get you nowhere with someone not yet at that level of education. Of course, I am but a lowly 13 year old, but that seems like quite an oversight on your part.
Also did you know about the irony in your post because it is quite funny
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I'm 17, 18 in a few days, and I've had 13 years of schooling (6 primary, 6 secondary, one college, going into second). Just thought I'd mention it.
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Hmm.. I'm 17 in 16 days.
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I'm 17, 18 in a few days, and I've had 13 years of schooling (6 primary, 6 secondary, one college, going into second). Just thought I'd mention it.
Primary? Secondary? I'm not familiar with the British school system, but do you have an equivalent to kindergarten and preschool? I suppose without those you'd save some time, but as you likely know, Americans normally go to college at age 18.
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Sorry, but is this the sad news thread or the "I'm x age and in x grade thread"? I'm sure there's a thread for that somewhere around here...
So, did you hear about how in Florida it's mandatory to teach evolution now? Well, if you have, you may also know that teachers are having a hard time teaching it because the students are so dead-set against it.
Article here: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/24/education/24evolution.html
edit: Now, I don't think this should involve "Evolution rox, creation sux" discussion. Let them believe whatever the hell they want to, even if that includes that little maggot droppings created all human life. I just think they should at least understand evolution instead of being so....what's the word? I dunno, closed minded isn't quite it. It's that with some stubborn and ignorant thrown in.
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Sorry, but is this the sad news thread or the "I'm x age and in x grade thread"? I'm sure there's a thread for that somewhere around here...
So, did you hear about how in Florida it's mandatory to teach evolution now? Well, if you have, you may also know that teachers are having a hard time teaching it because the students are so dead-set against it.
Article here: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/24/education/24evolution.html
Well, sucks to be them. I learned evolution in a Catholic school. So public schools should be doing it too.
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I'm actually in Canada. I started school at age 4, graduated at 16, Primary is grades 1 through 6, secondary 7 through 12.
I'm turnign 18 in.... An hour. Fun. Technically I was eighteen four hours ago, though, since I was born in England.
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Bah. Get me out of this damned educational system.
The majority of school board members for my school would actually favor teaching creationism.
That, and there are religious clubs and organization left and right; a couple advertised all over school, including in classrooms.
There are five churches within a few minutes' walk of my campus.
If it's any consolation, though, nobody has ever walked away from my arguments with a conviction that evolution is false.
Except perhaps that one girl, who thought that only a theory meant that it was wrong if you wanted it to be, because I had no fossils with me.
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Bah. Get me out of this damned educational system.
The majority of school board members for my school would actually favor teaching creationism.
That, and there are religious clubs and organization left and right; a couple advertised all over school, including in classrooms.
There are five churches within a few minutes' walk of my campus.
If it's any consolation, though, nobody has ever walked away from my arguments with a conviction that evolution is false.
Except perhaps that one girl, who thought that only a theory meant that it was wrong if you wanted it to be, because I had no fossils with me.
Wow, where the hell are you? :-\
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Polk County, in the dead center of Florida.
Oh, also, my public school doubles as a church on Sundays.
EDIT: How science was saved by pasta. (http://www2.tbo.com/content/2007/dec/22/na-polk-needled-noodled-in-evolution-flap/)
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We "learned about evolution" in Catholic school, but it mostly consisted of my insane ( and we're talking about blinking one eye then the other like a iguana kind of crazy) Religion/Science teacher badmouthing it. Oh, but how I tried. :'(
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"There needs to be intelligent design as well," Fields said in the story. "You need to show both sides."
Right. When every church in the area talks about creationism? Besides, it's not documented (cept for the whole bible thing, which is only scientific evidence if you're a fundamentalist), so it can't really be taught.
Anyway, I'm just saying, if they don't teach evolution in the schools, those kids will never really understand what people mean when they talk about it. I mean, even if they just learn it for the sake of proving it wrong, at least learn it...
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Russia to send ships to the Caribbean! (http://www.voanews.com/english/2008-09-08-voa42.cfm)
But it's just to train with the Venezuelans. ;)
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That's what they want us to think ;)
*hides in bunker*
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Russia to send ships to the Caribbean! (http://www.voanews.com/english/2008-09-08-voa42.cfm)
But it's just to train with the Venezuelans. ;)
Ahaha.
When you said that in IRC, I thought it was part of your history homework. Missiles to Cuba and all.
What a coincidence.
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Looks like Cold War 2 is getting closer after all....
BUT I DON'T WANT ANOTHER COLD WAR!!! :'(
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New for your blues? Kim Jong Il is missing? (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5huSr2cto6oXklRH0nXdM8i7PEQ0wD9339MPO0)
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New for your blues? Kim Jong Il is missing?
Not so 'Eternal' now, eh, Kim?
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All a communist ploy (http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=627370&rss=yes)
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7649876.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7649876.stm)
IMHO, this kid deserves to be either locked up, or closely monitored. These are the signs of a psychopath. This is not what a normal child does. There is no excuse for purposefully killing innocent animals, especially very rare ones that are THE PROPERTY OF SOMEONE ELSE.
I wish they would throw this kid to a croc, see how he likes it. But no, that would be "cruel". As if what he did to those animals wasn't.
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He's seven years old, it happens.
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This amuses me.
The attack happened on Wednesday morning after the boy entered the zoo by jumping over the security fence and evading sensor alarms.
Over the next half hour, he bludgeoned some of the animals to death with stones and hurled others over the two fences surrounding the crocodile enclosure.
Pat, this doesn't happen to most 7-year olds
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He's seven years old, it happens.
Um, no, this is not a case of "boys will be boys". This is a case of "Sociopathic little child with no respect for life or authority will grow up to be a serial killer".
He didn't accidentally step on a bug. He didn't burn a few ants under a magnifying glass. He maliciously killed several harmless animals, that were high up enough on the evolutionary ladder to feel real pain, and were VERY RARE, to a crocodile. He is not a good person, and I doubt he ever will be. As I said, these ARE signs of a sociopath and should be dealt with immediately.
If you excuse him for this, what else will we allow?
"Oh, Little Billy gouged the dog's eyes out! A slap on the wrist for him!"
"Oh, Junior beat an elderly woman at the Retirement home to death! WHAT A RASCAL!"
This does not "happen". A normal child will not feel these urges to irrationally kill something. He is a bad child who will grow up to be a bad person.
Let me repeat.
He is a bad child who will grow up to be a bad person.
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To quote the article:
children under the age of 10 cannot be held accountable for their actions
*shrug*
Though I suppose you're right.
IMHO, this kid deserves to be either locked up
Instead of helping this kid we should just lock him up and ensure that he becomes a menace to society. Don't quit your day job.
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These are the signs of a psychopath. This is not what a normal child does. There is no excuse for purposefully killing innocent animals
Except the kid is 7 years old, and this is EXACTLY what little kids do when not raised well enough to know better/unobserved. We swat insects all the time just because they annoy us. We leave poisons and traps out for mice. We use shock collars on dogs. Many people restrict 'owned' animals to the house, never let them on furniture or on beds. We lock animals in cramped paddocks and shift them around as unfeeling, unliving property. But of course a 7-year-old is supposed to differenciate all this from cruelty, and understand that killing animals is wrong, and that all life is equal, even if we treat other creatures like we're gods and they're disposable. If a baby clubs another baby over the head with a toy truck, that doesnt mean the baby is 'showing signs of being a psychopath', it means the baby is just being a baby. If a kid isnt raised to know better, guess how they behave?
I wish they would throw this kid to a croc, see how he likes it.
He tried to climb into the croc enclosure. If he managed it, he would have been eaten too.
The lesson we learned here : If a 7-year-old child can freely access your rare lizards and throw them to the crocodiles, and nearly climb into the crocodile enclosure himself? ITS YOUR SECURITY MEASURES THAT ARE AT FAULT.
On top of this, whats a 7-year-old doing wandering around a zoo by itself? You've all heard the news stories of people ignoring the safety cordon/railing around dangerous animal cages, and getting their arm/leg latched onto by a big cat, right? This kid could have happily been halfway down a lions throat, or taking a bile-nap in a crocodiles stomach before anyone noticed. You can't lay all of this on just the kid, especially given the age. By all means, punish the parents too, but the zoo isn't totally innocent here either.
This is a case of "Sociopathic little child with no respect for life or authority will grow up to be a serial killer".
IMHO, this kid deserves to be either locked up, or closely monitored.
He is not a good person, and I doubt he ever will be.
He is a bad child who will grow up to be a bad person.
You're being absurdly hyper-reactionary. This is probably because you're upset about this, try to calm down a bit before you continue posting?
He didn't burn a few ants under a magnifying glass.
As I said, these ARE signs of a sociopath and should be dealt with immediately.
So its okay to kill insects, just not small reptiles? Tell me how this differenciates, morally?
How does burning ants under a magnifying glass not qualify for signs of being disturbed?
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A normal child will not feel these urges to irrationally kill something.
Ever hear of hunting?
When did I say that a normal child feels the need to hunt?
And not to turn this into a discussion about the ethics of hunting, but the two situations are very different. Hunting is often done to obtain food(there are cases where they are not, and I don't morally agree with these, but that's another thread). In this case, the animals' body is used in much the same way it would be in the wild. Except it is eaten by a human instead of a bear or decomposing into the ground.
To quote the article:
children under the age of 10 cannot be held accountable for their actions
*shrug*
Though I suppose you're right.
IMHO, this kid deserves to be either locked up
Instead of helping this kid we should just lock him up and ensure that he becomes a menace to society. Don't quit your day job.
Right, he can't be held accountable for his actions under the law. Fantastic.
And here is a news flash, "helping them" almost never works. Why do you think there are some many gangsters and rapists? You think the only reason they're like that is because they were never "helped"? I'm sure some were, but it didn't work.
I do know that locking him up is not the best case of action. I was talking about my own opinion there(I really have no stomach for animal abuse or cruelty). But he should be watched VERY carefully, preferably for the rest of his life. Because these are the signs of a sociopath in the making.
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Uroboros is right Cheerio... you're being a little... eh, fanatical about this. Are you big on animal rights or something? I'm not making a jab, I just want to know where you're coming from so I can better understand your argument.
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To be honest, I can understand being upset about it. I'm normally pretty passionate when it comes to animal cruelty and such, and being rare lizards killed in such a meaningless manner? Yeah, I can understand the anger, totally, but I think Cheerio is probably just breathing fire about it. A little time to pace, to sit back and calm down should do the trick. xP
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These are the signs of a psychopath. This is not what a normal child does. There is no excuse for purposefully killing innocent animals
Except the kid is 7 years old, and this is EXACTLY what little kids do when not raised well enough to know better/unobserved. Bla bla a bunch of tl;dr.
The kid not being raised well is exactly why he should be held accountable to his actions. If he sees that authority is a greater power than his retarded parents, maybe he'll learn something and can be salvaged. If his parents are sued, what happens to him? Not a damn thing. He should be given to some decent parents IMMEDIATELY, and forced to work at the zoo cleaning up elephant dung.
I wish they would throw this kid to a croc, see how he likes it.
He tried to climb into the croc enclosure. If he managed it, he would have been eaten too.
The lesson we learned here : If a 7-year-old child can freely access your rare lizards and throw them to the crocodiles, and nearly climb into the crocodile enclosure himself? ITS YOUR SECURITY MEASURES THAT ARE AT FAULT.
Yes, obviously. Doesn't excuse the kid though. Normal 7 year old should know right from evil. If he doesn't there is a something wrong. Emergency action taken, etc. If the bank vault is open that doesn't mean you help yourself.
On top of this, whats a 7-year-old doing wandering around a zoo by itself? You've all heard the news stories of people ignoring the safety cordon/railing around dangerous animal cages, and getting their arm/leg latched onto by a big cat, right? This kid could have happily been halfway down a lions throat, or taking a bile-nape in a crocodiles stomach before anyone noticed. You can't lay all of this on just the kid, especially given the age. By all means, punish the parents too, but the zoo isn't totally innocent here either.
They're still not nearly as wrong as the parents or the child. It's not like the kid was walking around innocently and fell into the rare lizard exhibit, they crawled on his clothes, and then he fell into the crocodile exhibit, and they jumped off and he landed back to safety. He purposefully did these things because he is a bad child who deserves to be taught that he is not a good person.
This is a case of "Sociopathic little child with no respect for life or authority will grow up to be a serial killer".
IMHO, this kid deserves to be either locked up, or closely monitored.
He is not a good person, and I doubt he ever will be.
He is a bad child who will grow up to be a bad person.
You're being absurdly hyper-reactionary. This is probably because you're upset about this, try to calm down a bit before you continue posting?
I admit, I was a little worked up about it. But that's only because of his actions, they disgust me and I can't believe he's not being treated more severely. And I stand by my "bad person" accusations. Any psychologist will say that this kid is very likely to be a sociopath, or at least a giant dick.
He didn't burn a few ants under a magnifying glass.
As I said, these ARE signs of a sociopath and should be dealt with immediately.
So its okay to kill insects, just not small reptiles? Tell me how this differenciates, morally?
How does burning ants under a magnifying glass not qualify for signs of being disturbed?
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First of all, ants are not nearly as advanced as lizards. It's til not a good habit to get into, but it's on a much lower level. Burning ants fanatically, everyday, or for hours, IS a sign of deeper psychological issues. But burning a few because you saw a friend do it(who probably got the idea because it's a cliche now) is a sign of nothing more than being a child.
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Uroboros is right Cheerio... you're being a little... eh, fanatical about this. Are you big on animal rights or something? I'm not making a jab, I just want to know where you're coming from so I can better understand your argument.
I'm sorry if I'm coming off as "fanatical", but do you not see the cruelty in this act at all?
As far as my background, I just believe in "not being a dick" to any living thing without cause. PETA disgust me, I eat meat as long as I have no evidence that it comes from a slaughterhouse using cruel methods, or treating the animals badly(so no Veal). The reason I get so worked up about cruelty to animals is mainly because my Dog came from an abusive background. She was starved, hit, burnt, and had one of her ears extremely damaged by some ******* who should be put to death.
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So you're assigning value to certain lifeforms based on their... intelligence? What's the scale?
I guess that means you're not sympathetic to the Church or PETA or groups like that... which is good. ;D
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Um, yes, I am. This is actually a logical thing to do. I know it sounds hypocritical, but there are a lot more ants than there are extremely rare lizards. And no, I'm not saying we should go around commiting ant genocide(they're an important part of the ecosystem) but they don't feel the same way that a human, dog, or lizard does.
And yes, I hate PETA(as I said in my edit above your post...). They'rea group of terrorists who kill more animals than they save and only want to brainwash people. They don't care about animals at all.
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The kid not being raised well is exactly why he should be held accountable to his actions. If he sees that authority is a greater power than his retarded parents, maybe he'll learn something and can be salvaged.
I'm all for some kind of punishment in place of legal crap, but hes 7 years old man. Seven. Count em.
Doesn't excuse the kid though. Normal 7 year old should know right from evil. If he doesn't there is a something wrong. Emergency action taken, etc. If the bank vault is open that doesn't mean you help yourself.
Unless you're seven years old. :P
Again, given the inconsistencies we show children regarding morals and animals, what if he was only following our constantly set of examples that "bigger animals are more important", and was literally trying to feed the crocodiles? That doesnt take ANY form of negative impulse. In fact, it would almost seems that quite a few adults only learn to 'respect' animals by forming some kind of bond with a cute animal, often in the shape of a pet, spending time around an aqquaintances pet, or enjoying watching similar cute antics on TV. The general consensus is that if its cute, its wrong to hurt it, but if its ugly, useful or tasty, to hell with its quality of life. I cant count the number of times i've heard grown adults say "its only an animal". Then of course, what happens if a wild animal gets provoked into killing a human being? Even if it wasn't a random outburst, if a human is wounded/killed, you can place money on the fact the animal will be 'put down', regardless of whether necessary or not, like some kind of bastardised revenge-kill. The root isnt just with the child, Cheerio.
They're still not nearly as wrong as the parents or the child.
Well if the lizards are so rare, and they left them out where any dumb kid can just grab them, then yes, the zoo is just as wrong as the parent and the kid.
He purposefully did these things because he is a bad child who deserves to be taught that he is not a good person.
You're assuming a lot, and being disturbingly overreactive again. "Teaching him he is not a good person"? What kind of crosseyed logic is that? By all means punish the kid but give the dark ages shtick a rest would you?
I admit, I was a little worked up about it. But that's only because of his actions, they disgust me and I can't believe he's not being treated more severely. And I stand by my "bad person" accusations. Any psychologist will say that this kid is very likely to be a sociopath, or at least a giant dick.
A little? Heh, but yeah, I can understand being majorly PO'ed about this. Especially with the "law says you cant touch the kid". You'd probably find its just the "giant dick" side of things. Children know two things : What they want, and pain. This is why parents tend to ground/spank their children for doing bad things... but again, look over what I mentioned about the inconsistencies with the way we treat animals. You have to remember that some seven-year-olds can be really sharp for their age, but some can be really mentally slow, too. I should know, I was one of the dopey, slow, unaware ones. I stole. I lied. I was a complete brat. I turned out fine, with some punishment from my parents, and people who I was an ass to, treating me like I was an ass. This kid may have very well just seen the lizards as 'not important property animals', and the crocodiles as 'big, cool, important animals', and was 'feeding' them.
First of all, ants are not nearly as advanced as lizards. It's til not a good habit to get into, but it's on a much lower level. Burning ants fanatically, everyday, or for hours, IS a sign of deeper psychological issues. But burning a few because you saw a friend do it(who probably got the idea because it's a cliche now) is a sign of nothing more than being a child.
So throwing a few easily accessed lizards into a crocodile cage at a zoo, is automatically signs of psychological issues... but sitting around and deliberately, time consumingly learning how to tilt a magnifying glass to kill ants and closely watch how they react, is perfectly fine because 'its just normal for a child'? And its especially okay if you saw a friend killing the ants, first? You'd probably say the same about pulling the legs off a spider, kids used to do that all the time too. Thats -not- interprettable as building psychological issues? But feeding the crocs is, when you dont see any kind of death, just the lizards 'vaishing' into the croc? Again, its normal for a child to follow our example in that smaller animals are less important, to the point of practically being non-life property... unless you think they're cute. All you're doing with your example here is further augmenting my example. Its okay to kill bugs and watch them die, but its a huge taboo sin to throw food to the crocs, because they're essentially bigger, and not insects. I wonder if you would have had the same reaction if they were mice?
but there are a lot more ants than there are extremely rare lizards.
So now its a rarity thing? A child cannot know rarity. Again, if they were so rare, why were they just sitting around for anyone to grab?
but they don't feel the same way that a human, dog, or lizard does.
...or is it about the pain felt before death? How well-researched is this opinion that insects dont feel the same way?
I would have thought that being burned to death by a mildly focused beam of heat would be far more potentially painful than being eaten by a creature many times my size. What i'm saying is that whilst this event is pretty sad overall, and the legal response is worthy of a sigh and a little facepalm, it is FAR from indicative that this child is disturbed, or inherantly bad/nasty/evil. It is my guess that a psychologist wouldn't point out anything more than "he's a child", and that it just needs to be punished appropriately. Again, with how we passively teach children how to treat animals.
And yes, I hate PETA(as I said in my edit above your post...). They'rea group of terrorists who kill more animals than they save and only want to brainwash people. They don't care about animals at all.
You gain instant respect points for this, though. ;)
(www.petakillsanimals.com)
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Alright, I'm not really in the mood right now to do the whole multiple quote thing, but here's my argument in special condensed form.
Being seven does not excuse him. He is old enough for reasoning, and I assume he doesn't have a mental deficiency in any way besides being a possible future serial killer. Yes, he is being taught morals from his parents, but so is an 18 year old, and we punish them as adults. This kid deserves some severe punishment, and to be taken away from those parents who obviously taught him wrong. But I fear that the damage may already be done.
Now that I look back though, I really was overreacting on some points and I mostly agree with you Uro.
However, I honestly don't think that "Let's be nice and feed this crocodile" was what was going through his mind. He saw no worth in the animals on display and knew that bigger animals at smaller animals. He fed his need for mindless destruction by taking a lizard and subjecting it to pain and death.
As far as ants go, I did say that being fanatical about the ant burning was bad. But if they saw somebody do it on TV once or something and did it for a few minutes that's just being impressionable and will wear off. If you notice, children's shows don't often advocate taking animals from cages at the zoo and feeding them to other animals.
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i blame the zoo itself for having inept security to keep idiot kids like the aforementioned away.
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i blame the zoo itself for having inept security to keep idiot kids like the aforementioned away.
Urrite the kid didn't do anything wrong at all and certainly didn't take pleasure in killing rare lizar--OH WAIT
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I think you are severely overestimating the reasoning powers of a 7 year old. The only sense of right and wrong they will have is that which is almost explicitly told to him or her.
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Bad parents.
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I think you guys are forgetting that 7=/= 2.
7 year olds have reasoning. They SHOULD have morals. This kid didn't. If you could meet 7 year old you, I t hink you'd be surprised that they would most likely NOT DO THIS.
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Holy crap, this kid is AWFUL! >:( Either A) Bad parents, B) Mental condition, or C) He's a junior psychopath.
He reminds me of that kid on Dr. Phil who attacked his house with an axe and tried to strangle his little brother.
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I agree that age does not totally excuse him, but it does grant him partial immunity on the grounds of not knowing any better. The last few posts of mine have plenty of examples in how we effectively teach children bad habits in relation to treating animals as property. There is nothing to suggest he will be a psychopath in the future, at least, no more than any other child. The age gap between a seven year old and an eighteen year old is huge, and encompasses a massive hock of the mental development of a human. The kid DOES deserve to be punished, but saying they should steal him away from the parents when the zoo themselves didnt value the lizards enough to keep them out of childrens reach, is massively overreactionary, in my opinion. Whilst the legal side have their hands tied, you can bet that the parents will be keeping a closer eye on the child, and the zoo reviewing their stupidly lax security. What can I say? A hard lesson learned for all involved.
You cant mind-read, so we cant say what was going through the childs mind, but as I keep saying, we teach children a LOT of bad habits and views towards animals, through the examples we ourselves, as adults, show them. Well, obviously not you and me, but you get the picture. Feeding small lizards to a large crocodile because he wants to, is no different than burning ants to death just to watch them die, or pulling the legs off a spider just because you want to. Children are curious. Children are often dicks. We passively teach them that small animals are barely alive and 'just animals', property, and essentially for our amusement, the child cannot have understood the concept of rarity. The child probably did know it was doing something bad, but I highly doubt it knew the scale of it, and given the size of the crocodile, it wouldnt have seen any 'pain', so continued.
Whilst TV might show burning ants, that would be a rare thing to spot. Its far more likely that a child would have seen a program on animals, and a zookeeper/animal keeper feeding another animal with a smaller one. A mouse to a snake. A chunk of meat to a lion. A child in a zoo who finds easily accessable lizards near a crocodile cage, can easily think "Cool, I can feed the crocodiles". The child tried to climb into the crocodile cage themselves, so they might have just thought crocodiles were cool and werent exactly thinking of much else. The fact they tried to climb in makes it evident they werent the 'sharp' kind of seven-year-old.
Urrite the kid didn't do anything wrong at all and certainly didn't take pleasure in killing rare lizar--OH WAIT
We've been over this. You said its totally fine for a kid to 'take pleasure in' deliberately spending time slowly burning creatures to death, but feeding a cool looking animal is bad. Lets not go around in circles too much here. xP
7 year olds have reasoning. They SHOULD have morals. This kid didn't. If you could meet 7 year old you, I t hink you'd be surprised that they would most likely NOT DO THIS.
Yes, they have reasoning. This 7 year old had the reasoning power to decide that it was a good idea to try climb into the crocodile cage WITH them. As i said, some are slow and dopey, some are surprisingly sharp. This child thought it would be good to go into a crocodile pen. That in mind, it is obvious the child didnt have the reasoning ability to know throwing small 'disposable' looking lizards to the crocodiles was bad. I hate to sound callous, but if that child had climbed in with the crocodiles and been killed, it would be the zoo being sued instead, and it would be a 'tragedy'.
Whilst the loss of the rares is really harsh, both the zoo and the parents should be counting their blessings that the lizards were all that was lost. A hard lesson learned. The zoo lost its lizards, the parents are going to get sued to oblivion, and the child is going to get punished so hard he'd wish he could join the foreign legion. The only people who could have truly applied forethought to prevent this, are the zoo and the parents. Thats my view summerised, Cheerio ;P
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He reminds me of that kid on Dr. Phil who attacked his house with an axe and tried to strangle his little brother.
*facepalm* :P
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I think you guys are forgetting that 7=/= 2.
7 year olds have reasoning. They SHOULD have morals. This kid didn't. If you could meet 7 year old you, I t hink you'd be surprised that they would most likely NOT DO THIS.
I beg to differ. When my sister was something like 10, she would take little minnows and use pine needles to get the "ink" from their eyes. We would do a lot of different things with minnows and little frogs that we would never do now. We didn't really know we were hurting them, or fully realize that we were hurting another life. Once again, unless you have some evidence to say otherwise, I say the kid didn't really know what he was doing.
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I think you guys are forgetting that 7=/= 2.
7 year olds have reasoning. They SHOULD have morals. This kid didn't. If you could meet 7 year old you, I t hink you'd be surprised that they would most likely NOT DO THIS.
I beg to differ. When my sister was something like 10, she would take little minnows and use pine needles to get the "ink" from their eyes. We would do a lot of different things with minnows and little frogs that we would never do now. We didn't really know we were hurting them, or fully realize that we were hurting another life. Once again, unless you have some evidence to say otherwise, I say the kid didn't really know what he was doing.
OHGODHE'SEVILKILLHIM
Seriously, Cheerioeffect, the reasoning power of 7-year old is pretty much this: If he didn't get an ass-whooping for doing something he will do it. So if noone ever punished him for throwing lizards in crocodile's mouth, he won't realise he's being an evil little kid.
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Wait, Uro, you don't think that the child should be taken away from his parents? You think they weren't bad parents? First of all, they didn't teach their child right from wrong when it comes other life. Second of all, they left him alone, IN A ZOO. He almost crawled into the croc cage! And if you think this incident will totally make them watch him closer, wrong. It's actually a lot harder to change parent's habits than children's.
And MetallicDragon, that actually really bad. AT 10 your sister didn't realize that animal could feel pain? At 10 she thought fish had INK in their eyes? Some children have already started puberty at 10!
Yannick, that's exactly why I'm saying he SHOULD be punished, severely. And not just with an ass whooping(though they will help).
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And MetallicDragon, that actually really bad. AT 10 your sister didn't realize that animal could feel pain? At 10 she thought fish had INK in their eyes? Some children have already started puberty at 10!
I don't think it's that we didn't think they felt pain, we just never considered if they did or not. Eventually I wondered if the fish actually feel pain and from then on I was put off from fishing. And the fish did have some black goo in their eyes. And just because they are starting puberty doesn't really affect their reasoning at all, if it doesn't reduce their reasoning capability.
Kids will do extremely illogical things, especially pre-teens. Seriously, someone who you'd think is pretty smart probably did some extremely stupid things in their childhood.
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I am on both of your sides actually. At 7 he does have some sort of intelligence and morals. Have you ever been around a 6 year old right after his dog dies?. He bawls like a baby. The kid knew what he was doing was wrong and no doubt he enjoyed doing it. And yes this kid could easeily grow up to be a psychopath if something is not done.
However he IS only 7. You can't treat him as an adult not even close. He should be punished by a parent and examined by a psychologist. The parents should have charges brought upon them because THEY are responsible for the child.
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And MetallicDragon, that actually really bad. AT 10 your sister didn't realize that animal could feel pain? At 10 she thought fish had INK in their eyes? Some children have already started puberty at 10!
I don't think it's that we didn't think they felt pain, we just never considered if they did or not. Eventually I wondered if the fish actually feel pain and from then on I was put off from fishing. And the fish did have some black goo in their eyes. And just because they are starting puberty doesn't really affect their reasoning at all, if it doesn't reduce their reasoning capability.
Kids will do extremely illogical things, especially pre-teens. Seriously, someone who you'd think is pretty smart probably did some extremely stupid things in their childhood.
Wow I am really just baffled. You realized they are alive, yes? But you didn't even think that they, you know, felt pain? I just don't understand how a 10 year old possibly be that, well, stupid.
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Wait, Uro, you don't think that the child should be taken away from his parents? You think they weren't bad parents? First of all, they didn't teach their child right from wrong when it comes other life. Second of all, they left him alone, IN A ZOO. He almost crawled into the croc cage! And if you think this incident will totally make them watch him closer, wrong. It's actually a lot harder to change parent's habits than children's.
You automaticly asume that the parents left him alone on purpose.
If this kid is as much as a bastard as you claim him to be, then chances are that the kid ran off from the parents when they were reading an info board or something, and then, saw the obviously rare lizards which are totaly obviously rare which is told in ways other than a small note on the cage saying "OH HAI IM FROM SOUTH AMERICA AND I EAT FLIES LOL" and ect which little kids don't read anyway, (I know for a fact that I didn't when I was seven, and I was a real bookworm back then), and then his inner killer instinct which will one day cause him to murder the chairman of the UN and trigger World War three comes up. He then picks up the lizard, where no-one even attempts to stop him, and goes behind the Crocidile enclosure which is obviously well guarded and he beated his way through hoards of zoo keepers and inocent bystanders to feed the lizards to the crocidile, while stomping on the screaming lizards as they cry for their children and wife.
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HAHA WOW WHEN YOU EXAGGERATE THINGS LIKE THAT THEY SURE DO SOUND STUPID. I GIVE UP!
Parents are not excused from letting their child out of sight, even if they are reading an info board.
Normal children do not see an animal exhibit, AT A ZOO, A PLACE THAT HE KNOWS IS WHERE ANIMALS LIVE, and think "UH DURRRRRRRRRR I SHOULD KILL THIS BECAUSE I AM A DICK".
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Wow I am really just baffled. You realized they are alive, yes? But you didn't even think that they, you know, felt pain? I just don't understand how a 10 year old possibly be that, well, stupid.
That's exactly my point. Kids are illogical and stupid. Hell, even 13-year-olds do stuff that would literally make you put your hands on your face, wondering how anyone could be that stupid.
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Wow I am really just baffled. You realized they are alive, yes? But you didn't even think that they, you know, felt pain? I just don't understand how a 10 year old possibly be that, well, stupid.
That's exactly my point. Kids are illogical and stupid. Hell, even 13-year-olds do stuff that would literally make you put your hands on your face, wondering how anyone could be that stupid.
If your kid is that illogical and stupid, they are not excused from it.
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Kids run off, thats what they do. I'm asuming you have children who follow your every order like you're a general or something, and thats all well and good but all it takes is a second of diversion and any thick kid will be running off in less than a minute.
Another thing you asume is that the kid knows that the lizards feel pain, or that they were rare. And I also love how you changed your view from the kid's fault to the parents' fault and how you say people were stupid for doing something when they were younger which is exactly their point.
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If your kid is that illogical and stupid, they are not excused from it.
Humans cannot obtain fully developed reasoning skills until after eleven years of age.
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If your kid is that illogical and stupid, they are not excused from it.
Humans cannot obtain fully developed reasoning skills until after eleven years of age.
Here in Essex, that age has risen to about 31.
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Wait, Australia?
Is The Boot not working?
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Wait, Uro, you don't think that the child should be taken away from his parents?
No, I really think he shouldnt. The answer to a problem isnt always to snatch someones beloved child and fob them off to run the circuits of child placement.
You think they weren't bad parents? First of all, they didn't teach their child right from wrong when it comes other life. Second of all, they left him alone, IN A ZOO. He almost crawled into the croc cage! And if you think this incident will totally make them watch him closer, wrong. It's actually a lot harder to change parent's habits than children's.
I cant speculate on whether they're good or bad parents, for all we know the parents could have left the child in someone elses care, like an aunt, who let the child wander away at the zoo. Again, seven years old, and what our species at large thinks of animals, particularly the smaller ones, we've been over this. Again, you assume the parents will do nothing/little about this. They're about to get sued into the floor for what happened, their child nearly ended up taking a nap in a crocs stomach, one way or another. IF they dont do something, then that is a sign they are neglectful, but you cant just go around assuming in favour of your own opinion and then on that alone, taking away peoples kids, man. :/
I am on both of your sides actually. At 7 he does have some sort of intelligence and morals. Have you ever been around a 6 year old right after his dog dies?. He bawls like a baby. The kid knew what he was doing was wrong and no doubt he enjoyed doing it. And yes this kid could easeily grow up to be a psychopath if something is not done.
However he IS only 7. You can't treat him as an adult not even close. He should be punished by a parent and examined by a psychologist. The parents should have charges brought upon them because THEY are responsible for the child.
The thing about a young child and a dog, is that the kid is bonded with the animal. It has learned, through empathy, that the animal can feel, and that it has some degree of intelligence, and reciprocates in some manner, the bond they feel to it. Some children who never get exposed to animals, treat dogs and cats as they would pidgeons in a busy city, chasing them and trying to kick them, playing with them like they're unfeeling objects, until a parent comes across and gives them hell for trying to kick the dog/mistreating it. A child of 7 would look upon a small lizard in the same manner it would look upon a goldfish, an ant, a spider, a mouse, or a small bird. The kid didnt necessarily know it was wrong, but yeah, he probably enjoyed it. But this child is in no more danger of turning out as a psychopath, as any other child who has burned ants, pulled off spiders legs, chased pidgeons, or thrown a stick at a stray cat. What about a child in a household where someone keeps a spider that is fed crickets, or a snake that eats 'pinkie' mice? What about children who might see a program on TV about a zoo, or a documentary about animals that hunt? To a child, some animals are simply 'cool'... and it is highly possible that the child was only thinking about feeding the 'cool animal'. It obviously wasnt thinking much about what animals feel/think/do, because it tried to get in there with the croc.
Wow I am really just baffled. You realized they are alive, yes? But you didn't even think that they, you know, felt pain? I just don't understand how a 10 year old possibly be that, well, stupid.
Mental alertness. There is a switch somewhere that triggers. A bit like when you realise that other people around you can also hurt, be scared, and angry, and hungry. Its similar with animals. A child might understand Fido can feel pain, but not realise all other dogs are the same. A child might understand all dogs can feel pain, but never occur to them that birds can too. Its a matter of empathy. Where there is next to no contact, it will never occur to them naturally. Human beings express feelings and sensations outwardsly, and often vocally. If someone cuts their finger, they will yell "OW", and you can see where they hurt themselves, and tell just by looking at how they behave. If you pulled a feather out of a bird, their expression of pain are very different to ours, and a child will not be able to spot and interpret how they express it. Very much in the same way that some cats dont understand that using our feet as scratching toys is hurting us, or even a family pet might not understand we're in pain when they accidentally headbutt a guy in the testicles. :P
Empathy plays a large part, but a child lacks the mental accuity to discern these things with unfamiliar animals. Even some ADULTS can't. :/
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Wait, Australia?
Is The Boot not working?
/lurk has won the thread. Please leave the thread through the designated doors.
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I think this should be sent to the News for Your Blues thread.
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Wow I am really just baffled. You realized they are alive, yes? But you didn't even think that they, you know, felt pain? I just don't understand how a 10 year old possibly be that, well, stupid.
That's exactly my point. Kids are illogical and stupid. Hell, even 13-year-olds do stuff that would literally make you put your hands on your face, wondering how anyone could be that stupid.
If your kid is that illogical and stupid, they are not excused from it.
Kids will do harmful and illegal things if left unsupervised, to some extent. The fault here lies with the parents, in my opinion. They should not have left him unsupervised in a Zoo. They should also explain to him what he did was bad.
But seriously, if you don't know how stupid kids can be then you probably don't have much experience with them.
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Alright, ITT everybody is keeping their same opinions and going in circles(me included) and lurk won anyway so I think I'm gonna leave.
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Good, go back to the political/religion thread where you belong!
::)
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Ew, politics and religion.
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Oh, you only THINK this is over! But just when you least expect it, this thread will WIIISE FWOM ITS GWAAVE like a scene from Altered Beast, to once again spark debate. And yeah, I wouldnt be surprised if this got merged into the "news for your blues" thread.
Whilst I still think you're a bit barmy, Cheerio, its good to see another poster able to debate stuff without getting personal about it. First time i've seen you here, so welcome to the forums!
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Take the child away from its parents and sue the parents to pay for the damages.
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First: Ahahahahahahaha
Second: Chererioman, you are really taking this far too seriously. I mean, the kid is 7. I don't think many 7 year olds truly understand death. I mean, with a human he could understand, but you are talking about morals waaaay above his age. Also, why should the fact they are rare mean a thing to this kid. Again, 7. He probably hasn't heard of conservation.
I agree there have been some problems with parenting here, I mean, who lets a 7 year old out in the zoo by themselves? But then what zoo has perimeter fences that can be scaled by someone that young and small?
For sure he should be taught never to do it again, but I think separating him from his parents or locking him up is hugely extreme.
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Wow...uhh, the kid needs a lesson, but overreaction much? I mean, seriously, I get respect for life and all, but wow. Only people I know who are that fanatical about it are jains and they don't really get all upset when others do...at least not as bombastically.
Anyway, the parents really need to talk to the kid. I'm sure this isn't the only time he's gone ballistic.
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Wow...uhh, the kid needs a lesson, but overreaction much? I mean, seriously, I get respect for life and all, but wow. Only people I know who are that fanatical about it are jains and they don't really get all upset when others do...at least not as bombastically.
Anyway, the parents really need to talk to the kid. I'm sure this isn't the only time he's gone ballistic.
He's 7.
How much opportunity to go ballistic can he have had?
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Gugnir, thankyou, you just reminded me. People need to use the word "bombastic" more often.
*writes a post-it to himself, with 'bombastic' on*
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Ohh...I missed the thread. Damnit. Still, what's wrong with feeding an animal? To a 7 year old kid, he was probably doing the croc a big favour! Imagine the shock when everyone goes crazy about it. I agree that the zoo has lousy security as well.
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I think this kid deserves a song, so here goes:
Weird kid runnin' round a zoo
throwin' rare lizards to crocodiles, ooh
Now people, they don't know,
they don't know what to do;
Throw his weird butt in the lock up
or just let him go on and grow up
I said, just let him go on and grow up
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I think this kid deserves a song, so here goes:
Weird kid runnin' round a zoo
throwin' rare lizards to crocodiles, ooh
Now people, they don't know,
they don't know what to do;
Throw his weird butt in the lock up
or just let him go on and grow up
I said, just let him go on and grow up
Must... resist... urge... too... strangle... with... bare... hands...
/jk
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nice one, cow.
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I say we draft the kid to the CIA's junior forces. A kid with such manpower and sneaking skills would prove useful![/sarcasm]
This is pretty ****ed up. It kind of reminds me of the 12-year-old that molested a 10-year-old after she threw stones at him, and he ended up being sentenced with sixty years in prison.
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I think this kid deserves a song, so here goes:
Weird kid runnin' round a zoo
throwin' rare lizards to crocodiles, ooh
Now people, they don't know,
they don't know what to do;
Throw his weird butt in the lock up
or just let him go on and grow up
I said, just let him go on and grow up
Must... resist... urge... too... strangle... with... bare... hands...
/jk
Heh. The exact reaction I expected for a terrible joke song that was written while I was drowsy.
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Seriously though? He is 7. The kid killed some lizards.
If they were puppies or kittens, then I probably would understand. as mammals, we instinctively feel empathy for them. But the little guy probably didn't think it wrong to kill that which he percieved as slimy disgusting little newts. It's not as if he knew that they were rare. He just liked the crocidiles alot, and wanted to feed them. Probably saw them at feeding time too, which gave him the idea...
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I say we draft the kid to the CIA's junior forces. A kid with such manpower and sneaking skills would prove useful![/sarcasm]
Your codename will be Snake, because you once fed some rare snakes to a crocodile. Now go sneak that ****!
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I say we draft the kid to the CIA's junior forces. A kid with such manpower and sneaking skills would prove useful![/sarcasm]
Your codename will be Snake, because you once fed some rare snakes to a crocodile. Now go sneak that ****!
Wait, wouldn't his name be Lizard? I thought it was lizards. /Politically correct
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Solid Lizard doesn't have as much of a ring to it as Solid Snake, and Liquid Lizard is far too much of a tounge twister.
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Sorry for the following but its news of my blues anyway..
Well i am a huge animal person. At the start of Spring i found a stray mother cat in the barn with a litter of kittens. I took care of the mother and the kittens and they are all living near the house to this day. There was a total of 5 cats including the mother obviously i don't want to keep 5 cats so i have been trying to ge rid of 3 of the kittens. The mother can stay because she just sticks around and beside she keeps the mice away. So far i was able to give away one.
But in taking care of these cats i grew really fond of one of them. He was unique in the litter he was blonde while the others were gray. He was a big baby always followed me around and layed on my lap anytime i went outside (can't have cats in doors my dog hates them). I decided keep him a few months ago and named him Simba.
Simba never strayed to far from the property. Normally all the cats come running when they hear me leave the house but if for some reason he was not there all i had to do was yell for him and he would come running.
One day i panicked because i couldn't find him and he always comes when i call yet there was no sign of him. Finnaly i noticed ..he heard me but he couldn't come to me...he had been accidentally locked inside the car..thank god it was snot hot out.
Anyway when i went out yesterday morning i couldn't find him nor did he come when i called...i went out various times of the day and night calling for him..but he never came.
Today..he is still gone and i can't find him. He is not coming when i call..the other 2 young cats and the mother are still here but he is gone....
I fear one of two things happened. I am scared he got hit by a car or killed by a stray dog.
And i am also scared someone took him. You see i have a free kittens sign out in the front yard. Its hard to hear anything going on outside from the house. And the 3 young cats including simba and the mother all like to sleep at the bottom step of the back porch.
I fear somebody stopped by wanting a cat and seen them all sleeping there. Assuming they were all free i am scared they took Simba without ever knocking and they would of picked him since he was blonde and the others were gray......
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200 sex assault cases pass prosecution deadline before LAPD tested DNA kits (http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/front/la-me-dna21-2008oct21,0,7833360.story)
According to the audit by City Controller Laura Chick's office, the LAPD has a backlog of 7,000 sexual assault test kits that have not been examined. Of those cases, 217 are beyond the 10-year statute in which to prosecute the crimes, according to the report
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Man, and I thought my local police sucked. :(
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Hey, they are getting better. In the late 80's the LAPD wasn't investigating 1 in 9 homicides. You had a better than 10% chance of getting away with murder there.
In the mid-90's, IIRC, in the UK 1-in-3 rapes was never investigated. I think I put that link in the gun-control thread, but I really don't feel like going in there to find it right now.
-Lego
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Votes for everyone and everything! (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jsCoreau_zVj7aPlLmQ16NJcgTgAD93US4N80)
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Ohdeargoddamnit...
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Umm...
Well, that was kinda interesting to know.
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Okay, two things bother me about that article.
1. That this group mailed out a million voter registration cards without the people asking for them. Unless the US is going to switch to mandatory voting like Australia, people should show a little initiative if they want to vote. If this is how groups are getting all those record breaking numbers of new voters, don't be surprised when the number who actually show up to vote stays roughly the same.
2. "Fido's not going to be left on there, but if a cat is named is Polly, she may be," Johnson said. Princess could be a person's name, she insisted. "I went to high school with two Princesses."
Who names their kid Princess? You are literally asking to have a spoiled brat for a child.
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Crazy people name their children after stuff they see around the house. Like Apple or Blanket...
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Who names their kid Princess?
Several people that I know of down here.
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Or moon unit.
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Pat Junior. :-*
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For some reason, I have always laughed at the thought of a kid named "Hospital" or "Piano."
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I weirdest name I have ever heard was some poor kid who was named "Pilot Inspektor". :P
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sounds like some Dj or disco person.
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... and don't get me started on "Audio Science"!
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I weirdest name I have ever heard was some poor kid who was named "Pilot Inspektor". :P
Yes, Jason Lee's kid.
For those not in the know, Jason Lee plays Earl in 'My Name is Earl'.
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I'm naming my kid "The Accident" :P
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Someone called for me?
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Pat's name stands for Padawan and Tacky.
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Saw a person named "Yellow Contractor". I pity her.
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"Laser Harp" takes the cake.
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I know someone at school who's name is Bud Light. :P
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I'm sure I mentioned on this forum before about hearing about a Mr & Mrs Lien who named there daughter Ripley and her Middle name was Anne I think. If you don't get it ask Xenomorph.
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Well an update on my cat situation. (if anybody actually cares, hey it was blues so bite me!)
The day before yesterday i had walked miles down the road where one of my family members supposedly had spotted him. Never did find him but i did get caught in the freaking rain (i was on foot)
I gave up hope. I was sure he ether died, or somebody took him.
Today opening the the door there he was waiting on me meowing his freaking head off. It became clear why it took him so long to come back. One of his hips is completely broken. I love the cat to death but a vet would charge a couple hundred bucks up front. I don't know how to set his hip in place so it heals correctly plus the cat would be in agony without being drugged up.
Anyway I'm still really worried. I have him on the back porch out of the snow and cold. Best case scenario his hips heals awkwardly and he remains a 3 legged cat. The worst case scenario is he could have internal bleeding without me knowing and end up dieing after all this.
Still i was so happy to see him, I really missed him and it seems he missed me. Wont stay off my lap and constantly nibbles licks or paws me. And an amuseing note, Before he disappeared i was attempting to teach him to lay across my shoulders. One of the first things he did was exactly that.
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Sounds like if you love the cat so much that the Money would be wellspent to have to looked after at a vet.
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my dog died
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Was he old and was he lovable?
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she was
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Then bury her with full dignity and respect. A plot in the backyard will do. Maybe even a small tombstone if you want to be sentimental.
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already buried
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Horrifying dog torture video shocks police
Bruce Mckean Of The Mackay Mercury
22nd October 2008
HARDENED police officers have been shocked by the horrifying torture, mutilation and brutal slaying of a seven-month-old fox terrier puppy near Mackay at the weekend.
Two men, charged with the brutal killing, entered no pleas when they fronted a Mackay court yesterday.
They are due in court again today.
If found guilty, they could face up to two years in prison.
The incident is alleged to have happened in the mining community of Moranbah, west of the central Queensland city.
Police have obtained video footage from a mobile phone which shows graphic images of the puppy yelping and howling in terrible pain as it hacked to pieces.
Animal rights experts have described the case as one of the worst and most horrific in Australian history.
Police will allege that a pair of garden shears and a pocket knife were used to torture and kill the little puppy.
Moranbah police said the dog was a family pet.
They said the owners were too distressed to talk to anyone about it.
The dog's nose was cut off, its front right leg and rear left leg were cut off and it was decapitated.
Police will say the dog was stolen from a residence in Railway Parade in Moranbah and was taken to a lookout in the town.
Congealed blood and dog hairs were found on picnic tables at the lookout.
A three-part video series on a mobile phone shows the dog being tortured.
The final stages of the video show the dog's mutilated body parts.
The dog's body was found about 3.50am on Monday near the town's campdraft ground.
It was dumped beside a road.
It is believed that a car crashed into a fence at the campdraft grounds and police were checking if anyone was injured when they discovered the dog's body.
After seizing the mobile phone, police recovered a set of garden shears which had dog hair and blood on them.
Police also took possession of the clothes worn by two men in the car, for scientific testing.
"Senior police officers were visibly shaken after viewing the footage. Police and the RSPCA say that if the allegations are true, this could well be the worst case of animal cruelty ever brought before the courts in Australia," RSPCA's Queensland Chief Inspector Michael Pecic said.
"This is very, very disturbing," Mr Pecic said.
"For legal reasons this is really all I can say at the moment. But when you talk to senior police officers who have seen a lot of carnage in their time and they say it shocked even them, then you begin to get the picture."
Footage from the attack has been suppressed by police until the outcome of the court case.
The maximum penalty under the Animal Care and Protection Act for such an offence is $75,000 or two years in jail; however the maximum penalty ever handed out has been a four month jail term.
Recent incidences of senseless animal cruelty have staggered even the RSPCA, with cases increasing in prevalence and severity.
The two men, aged 20 and 24 were charged in the Mackay Magistrate's Court with stealing a dog, wilfully and unlawfully killing it, wilfully damaging a gate, and unlawful possession of marijuana, all at Moranbah on Monday.
Please sign this petition and pass it on to anyone and everyone you can so we can help to see these monsters get the maximum sentence possible for what they did to Peanut. It will be presented to the court before the hearing on November 17 2008. The goal is for a hundred thousand signatures.
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/maximum-penalty-for-the-men-who-hacked-up-a-puppy
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These bastards deserve waaaay more then 2 years. >:(
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i think that thats a crime just as evil as killing a person and yet. . . . . . 2 years in prison.
Bah. Retarded laws.
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JESUS CHRIST!!!
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Good grief. While killing a dog is not as bad as killing a person, something that depraved should get a sentence of more than two years.
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That is a very, VERY depressing story... Why two years? Why not ten? Why not more? This is obscene.
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I agree more than 2 years for a crime such as this. I hope they can trump up a few other charges to extend the sentance.
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http://www.livemint.com/2008/11/05234827/Obama-wins-White-House-create.html
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Wrong...thread? :-\
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I hope so...
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http://www.livemint.com/2008/11/05234827/Obama-wins-White-House-create.html
Hey....Wait a Minute!
You got your politics in my bad news!
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He's brought it up in pretty much every thread. Like the quotes one.
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You know Grangan, it doesn't really help much if you're advertising your remorse. So most of the nation didn't share your views, that's democracy for you. :-\
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maybe I liked his books too much, but this totally ruined my day :'(
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7711763.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7711763.stm)
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Ah, what a shame.
I have an old hardcover of Jurassic Park. I believe it may have been the first in circulation, I have to check.
Great author.
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Man... He was such a good writer... I read at least 12 of his books... Such a shame...
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I should really read his books now.
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http://www.livemint.com/2008/11/05234827/Obama-wins-White-House-create.html
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Why do you think Obama winning is so bad? Every time you say it you never back it up.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia
Not really news, but it's a depressing fact nevertheless.
You KNOW you're a tyrant when Wikipedia has articles on how much of bastard you are.
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Man, news can be so depressing... Why can't there be a "news for your cheers" thread or something?
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Because that wouldn't rhyme. Duh.
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Hmmmm.....
Maybe: Let the paper elate.....ye
Stories which are glories
.......there is a reason I dropped English Lit...
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Hmmmm.....
Maybe: Let the paper elate.....ye
Stories which are glories
.......there is a reason I dropped English Lit...
"The Up-beat news feed"?
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The optimistic news thread?
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"Good News!"
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Farnsworth?
Then it would be "Good news, everyone!"
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Farnsworth?
Then it would be "Good news, everyone!"
Perfect. Do this.
Now all we have to do is wait for positive news.
...
...
...
We'll never make this thread.
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the news is almost by definition miserable.
Causing outrage and sympathy gets more people to listen. Their should just be one big news channel that gets paid the same regardless of how many watch it. sadly no system could really make that work.
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.... http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article5140511.ece
That is just so sick...
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Wow... I hope who ever is responsible gets life in prison... That's so entirely outrageous and unthinkable!
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Good lord... Who in the hell would do that to their own child?!?!?
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Good lord... Who in the hell would do that to their own child?!?!?
A maniac. A drug abuser, a drunkard, the list goes on. Trust me, there are weird people you should avoid in this world.
Also, goodnewsdaily.com has good news.
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I don't know what is sadder that this sort of treatment went on or that nobody took this kid away before it was too late.
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That's what I am wondering as well, hasn't social services ever been to the home to check on the living conditions and the child himself? What preventative measures were taken, if any at all?
..How inhuman can you be to abuse a child in such a way?
I've heard of moderate beatings resulting in a couple of bruises but never a broken back or ribs..that's just insane. I hope the people responsible get life or sentenced to lethal injection, they deserve that much at least >:(
Then again knowing the justice system these days it could turn out quite different.
I am just in total disgust.
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They did. Like, 50 times. The people covered, saying the baby bruised easily, covering bruises with chocolate and stuff.
There is a MASSIVE inquest into how it could have happened. Heads will roll.
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this is one of the few stories where I legitimately want to take a knife and slowly kill all those at fault :'(
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These retched scum don't deserve to be fed and clothed by Her Majesty's Prison Service. They deserve nothing, save a bullet in each kneecap, followed by a bullet between the eyes. Hell, they aren't worth the lead it would take to kill them.
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more like put in the same position as the baby.
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more like put in the same position as the baby.
That would be cruel and unusual punishment. Then again, that's what they deserve...
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I say we put them on a chain gang and have them forced to repair roads for there entire lives.
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The mother popped out another kid whist in jail. Social services are trying to persuade the police to allow her to see the child.
Are they crazy?
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the social services should be put in the same position as the baby.
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.... http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article5140511.ece
That is just so sick...
I hope those filthy scums go to prison for life.
I feel so sorry for the baby... :(
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more like put in the same position as the baby.
That would be cruel and unusual punishment. Then again, that's what they deserve...
you know whats wierd. People seem to say things like quoting Ghandi saying "An eye for an eye, and soon the whole world is blind" and how you shouldn't punish people like that.
In reality (as i learned when studying law, My teacher was a fanatic trivia machine) the phrase "an eye for an eye" was originally used as a saying that punishments should be made even lesser and its not fair that you could swing for stealing a sheep. The idea being that the punishment should be of similar gravity to the crime.
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So we bring back the Code of Hammurabi?
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So in a sense, we need only balance the equation?
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So in a sense, we need only balance the equation?
(http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n137/hometechpc/Futurama_morbo.jpg)
A LAW AND IT'S PROPER IMPLEMENTATION DO NOT WORK THAT WAY!!!
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True that.
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maybe not sad for you but it is for me:
I was working on building the addition to my house yesterday and we have this little black mat about 2 inches thick. I of course don't notice it and trip on it. 3 seconds later and a very disturbing cracking/popping sound later I find I can barely move my right foot without pain shooting up it, joy. Turns out I sprained my ankle I didn't worry too much until I woke up this morning and thought; my god there's no way I can walk around campus like this. After 10 minutes of conflicting myself I finally made up my mind to stay home. This may not seem bad but I have never missed a ay of school since I started highschool, I prided myself on my perfect attendance, now ruined by one little trip over a 2 inch mat.
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Man, that is a bummer. :(
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Ow....
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Wow, that is a bad thing... very bad...
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Why not simply go to the doct-
Oh right. America.
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Why not simply go to the doct-
Oh right. America.
Males not going to a doctor is not restricted to America. It happens all over the place. I cannot speak for Kaizer but many men just hate asking for help, even from a doc.
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Er... He was referring to the high bill for just being allowed to talk to a doctor.
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Oh... :-\
I have not put my best face forward these past few days.
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maybe not sad for you but it is for me:
I was working on building the addition to my house yesterday and we have this little black mat about 2 inches thick. I of course don't notice it and trip on it. 3 seconds later and a very disturbing cracking/popping sound later I find I can barely move my right foot without pain shooting up it, joy. Turns out I sprained my ankle I didn't worry too much until I woke up this morning and thought; my god there's no way I can walk around campus like this. After 10 minutes of conflicting myself I finally made up my mind to stay home. This may not seem bad but I have never missed a ay of school since I started highschool, I prided myself on my perfect attendance, now ruined by one little trip over a 2 inch mat.
Someone give him a lemsip!
...baby...
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Why not simply go to the doct-
Oh right. America.
Least if he decided to go to the doctor, he wouldn't have to wait hours.
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I forget how serious a sprain is, but you should probably get it looked at to make sure you didn't tear or break anything if it hurts that bad.
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Why not simply go to the doct-
Oh right. America.
Least if he decided to go to the doctor, he wouldn't have to wait hours.
neither does anyone else. Usually when i go to the docters the wait ranges from just going straight in on a slow day to having to wait sometimes upto half and hour or so on a busy one.
It really is very good. although no one will admit it. much rather complain.
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My dad had to spend one night in the ICU and it cost us $2,500. And we have insurance. Fix it Obama!
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My laptop wins the "more useless than a turd" award.
1) half the keys are either stuck or missing
2) the mouse usb port randomly shuts off and on
3) random memory wipes
4) the volume control thinks its the C key (seriously)
5) the screen will freak out and disappear for a bit
6) whenever I touch it when it is off and not plugged in, it shocks me.
Be glad you don't have this piece of crap *grabs sledgehammer*
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Maybe number 6 is the cause of the previous 4 problems. Number 1 could be from either old age, or typing too hard.
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maybe I didn't ever expect much from it being a $200 laptop
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it only cost you $200?
at that price just be glad it doesn't call you gay or something.
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That made me laugh violently.
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In America, a court has ruled that Simpsons porn is Child Porn (http://www.smh.com.au/news/technology/simpsonsstyle-cartoon-is-child-porn/2008/12/08/1228584707575.html)
This is indeed a sad day. How retarded must a that judge have been?
The simpsons movie shows barts penis, so that means its child porn. WE SHOULD BAN IT!!!
also i didn't think this was worthy of it's own thread and here was the only place it seemed to remotly fit.
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In America, a court has ruled that Simpsons porn is Child Porn (http://www.smh.com.au/news/technology/simpsonsstyle-cartoon-is-child-porn/2008/12/08/1228584707575.html)
This is indeed a sad day. How retarded must a that judge have been?
The simpsons movie shows barts penis, so that means its child porn. WE SHOULD BAN IT!!!
also i didn't think this was worthy of it's own thread and here was the only place it seemed to remotly fit.
Try reading an article before you form your opinion next time.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081212/bs_nm/us_madoff_arrest
More Wall Street corruption...
sigh...
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In America, a court has ruled that Simpsons porn is Child Porn (http://www.smh.com.au/news/technology/simpsonsstyle-cartoon-is-child-porn/2008/12/08/1228584707575.html)
This is indeed a sad day. How retarded must a that judge have been?
The simpsons movie shows barts penis, so that means its child porn. WE SHOULD BAN IT!!!
also i didn't think this was worthy of it's own thread and here was the only place it seemed to remotly fit.
I read it in a paper that said it was Australia.
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The simpsons movie shows barts penis, so that means its child porn. WE SHOULD BAN IT!!!
Brutus, there is a very real and obvious difference between a picture (or indeed photograph) showing a penis, and pornography. ::)
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081212/bs_nm/us_madoff_arrest
More Wall Street corruption...
sigh...
It's so common that it is not news worthy if you ask me.
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NEW YORK (Reuters) – Bernard Madoff, a quiet force on Wall Street for decades, was arrested and charged on Thursday with allegedly running a $50 billion "Ponzi scheme" in what may rank among the biggest fraud cases ever.
Now tell me that that is common.
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46% of women choose Internet over sex (http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20081212-no-headache-needed-46-of-women-choose-internet-over-sex.html)
Clearly, the age-old fallback of flowers is insufficient in today's word.
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At least delete your last post and edit it into the new one.
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... I never noticed that I could remove my posts before... I suppose that is an epic fail on my part. No other forum I have ever been in gives me that power.
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The power... THE SHEER POWER!!
(of being able to delete your posts.)
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(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s289/TwilightSaint/RAWPOWER.jpg)
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Back on topic, maybe? You know, topic? And speaking of deleting posts, that image is just annoying.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/weather/12/14/massachusetts.emergency/index.html
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In America, a court has ruled that Simpsons porn is Child Porn (http://www.smh.com.au/news/technology/simpsonsstyle-cartoon-is-child-porn/2008/12/08/1228584707575.html)
I'm glad that it was just a misleading title, and that after some mulling it over, it got thrown out.
Why? Because the pictures in question were probably those deliberately badly drawn rule/34/ pictures. Those who have been around will probably know them, as they occasionally get posted for shock-comedy value and damnit, in remembering one of them, I lol'd. It would have been a sad day if rule34 got declared a child-porn site, but in a world like this? I really wouldn't have been surprised.
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What's the big deal? Are people going to miss being able to look at it or something?
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No. They don't like the precedent it sets.
Bloody idjit.
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So yea anybody hear about the ice storm we had up here in new hampshire? I have no power for 5 days minimum and the damage is pretty heavy I'll post some of the pictures I took of it when I am finally able to get on my computer and upload
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So yea anybody hear about the ice storm we had up here in new hampshire? I have no power for 5 days minimum and the damage is pretty heavy I'll post some of the pictures I took of it when I am finally able to get on my computer and upload
Yes, the link I posted links to that story of the ice storm.
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Someone cut a puppies ears off when he was robbing the house. (the guy was robbing the house, not the puppy.)
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Well, considering as to how the pit in my stomach isn't going away I might as well re-post this. This was taken from Group Hug dot com, an online confessional.
"I used to be a surgeon.
My former practice and colleges believe that I have moved to the east coast to follow an online love interest. I keep a P.O. box in New York to give the illusion that I am settled in with my new bride, “Patricia.” Unfortunately this reality exists only in the minds of a few of my former acquaintances and of my sister (who is my only remaining family member).
The truth of my whereabouts is considerably more deviant than settling down with a retirement fund and a casual fly-fishing hobby.
Once I left home, I immediately set in motion a project that has been a dream of mine since medical school. I began by abducting my subjects. I waited in dimly lit subway stations and outside of homeless shelters for transients. I needed them to be the type of people who would not be missed at work or in their social lives; people with a completely static citizenship.
Once I had amassed 8 drifters (4 males and 4 females) I sedated them and brought them to a plot of land I purchased several years ago in the southern rocky mountains. I was then faced with the challenge of keeping the lot sedated while I carried out their metamorphoses.
The transformation consisted of 3 steps.
1.) A very large frontal lobotomy, leaving the subject unable to even speak, write, tie a knot or refrain from drooling constantly.
2.) The Subject is then blinded. Although anesthetic is employed, I feel that the process need not be any more barbaric than necessary. A complete extraction of all ocular organs is my method of choice.
3.) The teeth are dramatically sharpened.
Now the procedures are long done and my subjects were nursed back to health. I simply let them roam as they will, feeding them daily, and observing their habbits. Although my original 8 shrunk to 5 after 15 months, the sole remaining female was impregnated by the largest of the subjects one spring morning.
By my count, the baby is due January 14th of 2009"
This really has just... sickened me... greatly...
It's disgusting that such a man would do such a thing to a human being, actually get away with it, and then flaunt it around as such. To me, this man shouldn't be free or even allowed to live. This is inhuman and really... who could do something like this to a human being? It makes me want to vomit...
I hope he get's caught someday and gets executed or dies in some accident or something... the bastard...
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Yeah, um, thats obviously fake.
I mean really, kidnapping drifters and turning them into beasts? ::)
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Yeah, um, thats obviously fake.
I mean really, kidnapping drifters and turning them into beasts? ::)
Seriously.
And I've heard of worse stuff, at least this guy was humane.
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Krakow there is many a thing that happens in this insane world, remember the truth is stranger than fiction. Even this might be real or it might not, probably not considering he posted it on the internet, but still there people crazy enough to do such a thing.
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Dude seriously turn on your B.S. radar.
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My god man, it's the internet!
Have I ever told you how I scoop out people's eyeballs with spoons?
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I killed a man in Reno, just to watch him die.
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I killed a man in Reno, because he slept with my wife.
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the truth is stranger than fiction.
No it isn't.
It really, really isn't. (http://www.eponymous.org/lovecraft.html)
Listen to Cobra everybody. Cobra has the right idea.
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I once shot a man in Reno, but I couldn't tell you why.
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When I hear that whistle blowin',
I hang my head and cry.
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I killed a man in Reno, just to watch him die.
but did you always want one that was long and black?
-Lego
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I killed a man in Reno, just to watch him die.
but did you always want one that was long and black?
-Lego
I figure I'll have it all by the time I retire, I'll have me a car worth at least a hundred grand.
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I killed a man in Reno.
For liberty.
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"online confessional"
That should have been your first clue.
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I have a confession to make.
I lie in online confessionals.
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I killed a man in Reno, just to watch him die.
but did you always want one that was long and black?
-Lego
I figure I'll have it all by the time I retire, I'll have me a car worth at least a hundred grand.
Hands Slartibartfast a hot cup of coffee and a cold glass of tea
-Lego
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It's weird, but I imagine that sort of experiment (no matter it's truthfulness) would be right at home in Rapture...
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I killed a man in Reno, just to watch him die.
but did you always want one that was long and black?
-Lego
I figure I'll have it all by the time I retire, I'll have me a car worth at least a hundred grand.
Hands Slartibartfast a hot cup of coffee and a cold glass of tea
-Lego
Oh I may be right and I may be wrong, but you gonna miss me when I'm gone.
Might be time to get back on the topic of depressing people.
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I never thought it would happen to me but my steam account was hijacked on christmas eve.....I cant believe I was duped so easily by that bastard...I should of seen right through his ploy, but it was very good....When I find him, I WILL ****ING KILL HIM
That's not the worst part though my father blames it all on me and wont stop yelling at how my "addiction" is the reason this happened. He wont stop bothering me as I scurry around trying to save my account. I dont understand why he cant understand having a large sum of merchandise stolen is definetly not a time to piss someone off. I actually want to punch him in the face so hard....I need to get rid of my rage...
This is close to word for word of how I was duped
[:: Hey kaizer geuss who?
Kaizer: umm...
[:: Hint: I'm a close friend
Kaizer: ....froman?
[:: No a friend in real life
(I SHOULD HAVE NOTICED THIS BUT DAMN IT I MISSED THIS DEAD GIVEAWAY >.<)
kaizer: ...errr
kaizer: umm...wait evan?
[:: bingo!
kaizer: oh hey
[:: hey can I borrow your account?
[:: I want to play gmod
(SECOND DEAD GIVEAWAY I MISSED EVAN DOESNT EVEN OWN HL2 OR ANY OTHER STEAM GAMES >.<)
kaizer: um w/e maybe later I g2g
[:: why?
kaizer: gotta give dog a bath
[:: then why not let me play while you bathe him
kaizer: idk
[:: pleasee just for 10 minutes
(THIRD STRIKE I'm outta there! should of realised if he doesnt have gmod it would take more than 10 min to install)
So I gave the info (I mean i thought it was a close friend and I never expected to be tricked on steam)
I come back half hour later pass word is changed....
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Wow... That reminds me of the time I was duped. Some guy said he was a steam worker and I gave him a "modified" account. He got in anyway... :-\
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searched around and found the bastard he changed the account name to why (cant miss it with the stupid flower avatar)
for now guys SPAM THE HELL OUT OF HIM MAKE HIS LIFE HELL!!!
also im going by the alias kaizer until I get my account back
edit: I read up that even if this guy gets my account VAC-banned I cant do anything about it, how is that fair? I didn't do anything wrong so i get punished instead of him.
I hate this christmas it has been one problem after another. I feel so depressed...
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20081224/ts_alt_afp/usfinancefraudwieselfoundation
****... Who would con a charity?
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Politicians?
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Hitler? The Devil? Baal? Geraldine Ford? Who knows.
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It's that time of the year again... No, not holidays, just more bombings and airstrikes in Gaza. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ml_israel_palestinians (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ml_israel_palestinians)
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More air strikes...
They've blown out their buildings, they've killed several thousand...
Nothing is working! SEND IN THE NUKES!!!
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Since they can't settle things peacefully there, they should might as well consider this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_Assassins) to reduce the number of fatalities.
If this (http://www.gamingsteve.com/blab/index.php?topic=6078.msg654389#msg654389) ever happens to Palestine, I'm not sure exactly how devastating the repercussions would be.
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Israel :D
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Israel :D
God I hate reruns.
-Lego
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So these attacks are in response to missles launched from Gaza, right? Yet it feels like the reporting only gets kicked into full gear when Israel fires back. I guess it's Israel's fault for being able to hit a target.
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That and the fact that they're using fighters and guided bombs as opposed to glorified fireworks.
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Ah, but the situation has changed some. Hamas, the now elected power of a want-to-be sovreign nation has been firing rockets on another want-to-be sovreign nation (depending on who you ask). So rather than being a 'terrorist' attack like it had been in the past it is now the official act of a nation state against another.
Hamas knows that Israel will respond with overwhelming force, they just keep trying to play the 'victim' card.
Like I said, I hate reruns. I miss Arafat too.
-Lego
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Israel :D
God I hate reruns.
-Lego
Seven Year Rule (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SevenYearRule)
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They should just get this over with. Better sooner than later.
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List of **** that went down this month
1: Lost steam account
2: Barely passed economics
3: Lost power for week due to ice storm (destroyed pool)
4: sister moved in no chance of me ever using my good computer ever again
5: Port 1 on my laptop broke for no reason making me waste 7 hours figuring out why the other 2 ports don't allow my mouse to work
been an awesome month...*grabs a scotch* merry freaking new year my friends
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We ain't your friends, buddy.
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He ain't your buddy, guy!
>_>
So...err, what do you guys think about this "Barack the Magic Negro" that people were talking about? I thought it was an overreaction really...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gdi_VHvCR3A
:)
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My god, thats horrible! >:( .... Wait techincally all American are immigrants except for the Indians so if there not part Indian would they be racists against themselves?
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Religion and ignorance ftw!
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Apparently they don't realize that Christ and most of the apostles are actually Jewish. :P
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And I wonder what they would think if they knew that the first 'Aryans' were actually Iranians.
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Wow... Their almost as right-wing and nutty as my next door neighbors...
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Hey I find that extremly offensive to the J- *has keyboard stolen out of hand by Jew*
:o
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That part about jews reminds me of borat
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They should be hung on their own flaming swastikas. Or at the very least deported back to Germany, as they seem to believe in. Never mind, just kill them. Some people are just better off dead.
Edit: Can someone find the rest of that? That I want to see.
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The first christians were seperatist Jews. All Homo Sapiens came from africa. Everyone outside of Ethiopia is an immigrant or descended from one.
Take that, bigots.
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If only they were here.
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Gah, I mean really, what?
He had a flag of Norway in his room?
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Jews would probably not steal (or buy) anything tainted by their hands...
I do feel sorry for their kids though, they've obviously been brainwashed. (Then again, his parents probably were too)
I almost do want them to start a physical "Race war" so that we'll actually be able to shoot at them. >_>
Probably not very nice of me....but they seem to be *******s.
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If only they were here.
Apparently they indeed are.
God, bigotry is so stupid and annoying. Am I allowed to hate the haters?
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If only they were here.
Apparently they indeed are.
God, bigotry is so stupid and annoying. Am I allowed to hate the haters?
Be my guest.
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If only they were here.
Apparently they indeed are.
God, bigotry is so stupid and annoying. Am I allowed to hate the haters?
I meant on Gaming Steve.
Anyway, feel free to hate the haters. I know it sounds terrible, but I almost wish I could provoke them to attack me (it wouldn't be difficult, as they professed a hate for racial mixing) so I could rid the world of their stupidity.
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Adult Entertainment Industry Seeks Federal Bailout (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/01/07/porn-industry-seeks-federal-bailout/)
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Didn't they say it was a joke?
Edit: http://sports.yahoo.com/sow/news?slug=ap-iran-forbiddensoccer&prov=ap&type=lgns
I hate Iran...
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Adult Entertainment Industry Seeks Federal Bailout (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/01/07/porn-industry-seeks-federal-bailout/)
That's been floating around for a while.
Also, I don't see why that's a new for our blues. The porno industry is largely a law abiding affair, so why shouldn't it apply for a bailout? (even if this is just a publicity stunt :P)
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It's more about morals than legality. It also isn't something that needs to exist to sustain the economy, no matter how much money the industry makes.
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I'm not sure its the job of the bailout authority to decree things moral or immoral.
Its all highly subjective anyway. But I still don't think its a new for our blue.
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AHEM!!! >:(
Edit: http://sports.yahoo.com/sow/news?slug=ap-iran-forbiddensoccer&prov=ap&type=lgns
I hate Iran...
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That's Islam for you.
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It's NFYB since we assumed that it would remain in robust health even during an economic downturn.
If the porn industry's going the rest of us don't stand chance!
But it would appear that it actually isn't.
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What the heck is NFYB supposed to mean?
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Thread title.
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*slaps self in the face*
I'm an idiot, and you people use acronyms too much.
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STFU.
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STFU.
Be nice. >:(
Your language is getting bad both here and on chat.
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God, it was a joke.
Acronyms, and all that.
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Not funny.
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Also, I don't see why that's a new for our blues. The porno industry is largely a law abiding affair, so why shouldn't it apply for a bailout? (even if this is just a publicity stunt :P)
DISCLAIMER: THE READER IS ADVISED THAT SIDE EFFECTS MAY INCLUDE INFURIATION, SADNESS, ANGST, LOSS OF FAITH IN HUMANITY, DAMPENING OF MOOD, AND OTHER ASSORTED NEGATIVE SIDE EFFECTS.
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I may have chuckled a little...
*quietly backs out of room*
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Not now guys... Steve is watching...
>.>
<.<
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Sex drive link to prostate cancer. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7850666.stm)
Well, it's bad news for some people...
Plus another thing that might give you cancer! Hooray!
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Apperently golf makes you deaf due to the sonic boom. >_>
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And what is your source of this information?
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I think you're confusing golf with rodan...
(http://i40.tinypic.com/2823z1y.jpg)
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Maybe Rodan plays golf?
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It was on the BBC website a while ago, something about titanium clubs being noisier than steel, or something.
Yeah /lurk is a hero! (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7811143.stm)
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Bushfires in Victoria kill at least 65 and destroy hundreds of buildings.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Victorian_bushfires (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Victorian_bushfires)
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This happened a few weeks ago I been meaning to post this.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24979855-601,00.html
http://www.theage.com.au/national/bridge-death-man-on-murder-charge-in-acute-psychiatric-state-20090129-7sb7.html
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My god. Thats horrible. >:(
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Death toll is up to 84.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ongoing_conflicts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ongoing_conflicts)
Millions of people dying without a spot in the news.
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This happened a few weeks ago I been meaning to post this.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24979855-601,00.html
http://www.theage.com.au/national/bridge-death-man-on-murder-charge-in-acute-psychiatric-state-20090129-7sb7.html
I saw that, it was really sad.
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What kind of sick, crazy, inhuman bastard would do that?
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Well, at least I know now that the United States isn't the only country with completely ****ed up people.
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High-five, Andrew!
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I have nightmares quite often, an effect of Aspergers, so, believe me, I've come up with some creative murder ideas.
I just giggle at the thought of this little girl going "WHEEEEE!" off the side of the bridge. It'd be funnier if this had been multiple children and they'd all gone one at a time with cardboard wings.
And, that amusing thought aside:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibSwITK4jjQ
Generally, police are nice people but there are a lot of brutal abusers of power out there.
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I have nightmares quite often, an effect of Aspergers, so, believe me, I've come up with some creative murder ideas.
I just giggle at the thought of this little girl going "WHEEEEE!" off the side of the bridge. It'd be funnier if this had been multiple children and they'd all gone one at a time with cardboard wings.
... no, you must be thinking of something else... like a bucket of crazy?
Seriously, not funny.
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Not to you, but it is to me. Don't get me wrong, it's tragic, and I'd do everything I could to stop it if I was there, but in my mind, it's hilarious.
WHEEEEE!
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090211/ap_on_re_us/courthouse_kickbacks;_ylt=Ai83slS2NAuXd0CDtrAaBZFv24cA;_ylu=X3oDMTE5dWRyMXJzBHBvcwM2BHNlYwN5bl90b3Bfc3RvcmllcwRzbGsDcGFqdWRnZXNhY2N1
WILKES-BARRE, Pa. – For years, the juvenile court system in Wilkes-Barre operated like a conveyor belt: Youngsters were brought before judges without a lawyer, given hearings that lasted only a minute or two, and then sent off to juvenile prison for months for minor offenses.
The explanation, prosecutors say, was corruption on the bench.
In one of the most shocking cases of courtroom graft on record, two Pennsylvania judges have been charged with taking millions of dollars in kickbacks to send teenagers to two privately run youth detention centers.
"I've never encountered, and I don't think that we will in our lifetimes, a case where literally thousands of kids' lives were just tossed aside in order for a couple of judges to make some money," said Marsha Levick, an attorney with the Philadelphia-based Juvenile Law Center, which is representing hundreds of youths sentenced in Wilkes-Barre.
Prosecutors say Luzerne County Judges Mark Ciavarella and Michael Conahan took $2.6 million in payoffs to put juvenile offenders in lockups run by PA Child Care LLC and a sister company, Western PA Child Care LLC. The judges were charged on Jan. 26 and removed from the bench by the Pennsylvania Supreme Court shortly afterward.
No company officials have been charged, but the investigation is still going on.
The high court, meanwhile, is looking into whether hundreds or even thousands of sentences should be overturned and the juveniles' records expunged.
Among the offenders were teenagers who were locked up for months for stealing loose change from cars, writing a prank note and possessing drug paraphernalia. Many had never been in trouble before. Some were imprisoned even after probation officers recommended against it.
Many appeared without lawyers, despite the U.S. Supreme Court's landmark 1967 ruling that children have a constitutional right to counsel.
The judges are scheduled to plead guilty to fraud Thursday in federal court. Their plea agreements call for sentences of more than seven years behind bars.
Ciavarella, 58, who presided over Luzerne County's juvenile court for 12 years, acknowledged last week in a letter to his former colleagues, "I have disgraced my judgeship. My actions have destroyed everything I worked to accomplish and I have only myself to blame." Ciavarella, though, has denied he got kickbacks for sending youths to prison.
Conahan, 56, has remained silent about the case.
Many Pennsylvania counties contract with privately run juvenile detention centers, paying them either a fixed overall fee or a certain amount per youth, per day.
In Luzerne County, prosecutors say, Conahan shut down the county-run juvenile prison in 2002 and helped the two companies secure rich contracts worth tens of millions of dollars, at least some of that dependent on how many juveniles were locked up.
One of the contracts — a 20-year agreement with PA Child Care worth an estimated $58 million — was later canceled by the county as exorbitant.
The judges are accused of taking payoffs between 2003 and 2006.
Robert J. Powell co-owned PA Child Care and Western PA Child Care until June. His attorney, Mark Sheppard, said his client was the victim of an extortion scheme.
"Bob Powell never solicited a nickel from these judges and really was a victim of their demands," he said. "These judges made it very plain to Mr. Powell that he was going to be required to pay certain monies."
For years, youth advocacy groups complained that Ciavarella was ridiculously harsh and ran roughshod over youngsters' constitutional rights. Ciavarella sent a quarter of his juvenile defendants to detention centers from 2002 to 2006, compared with a statewide rate of one in 10.
The criminal charges confirmed the advocacy groups' worst suspicions and have called into question all the sentences he pronounced.
Hillary Transue did not have an attorney, nor was she told of her right to one, when she appeared in Ciavarella's courtroom in 2007 for building a MySpace page that lampooned her assistant principal.
Her mother, Laurene Transue, worked for 16 years in the child services department of another county and said she was certain Hillary would get a slap on the wrist. Instead, Ciavarella sentenced her to three months; she got out after a month, with help from a lawyer.
"I felt so disgraced for a while, like, what do people think of me now?" said Hillary, now 17 and a high school senior who plans to become an English teacher.
Laurene Transue said Ciavarella "was playing God. And not only was he doing that, he was getting money for it. He was betraying the trust put in him to do what is best for children."
Kurt Kruger, now 22, had never been in trouble with the law until the day police accused him of acting as a lookout while his friend shoplifted less than $200 worth of DVDs from Wal-Mart. He said he didn't know his friend was going to steal anything.
Kruger pleaded guilty before Ciavarella and spent three days in a company-run juvenile detention center, plus four months at a youth wilderness camp run by a different operator.
"Never in a million years did I think that I would actually get sent away. I was completely destroyed," said Kruger, who later dropped out of school. He said he wants to get his record expunged, earn his high school equivalency diploma and go to college.
"I got a raw deal, and yeah, it's not fair," he said, "but now it's 100 times bigger than me."
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... Is it weird I was just talking to people about privately run prisoner transport companies?
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It depends. In what context?
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Someone was saying that it could result in bribery that would allow criminals to escape their confinement. Sorta the inverse of this, really.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/sussex/7889125.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/sussex/7889125.stm)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7889033.stm?lss (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7889033.stm?lss)
I have a brother around this kid's age. He is not father material. What the hell were these kids thinking?
I have no problem with sex amongst teenagers. Sex this young I'm a little more iffy about, but I'll tolerate it the same way I tolerate the smokers at my school.
I think there has to be some sort of entrance exam for parenthood. It's not fair on the kid coming into the world.
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They should set up the baby for adoption. Dumbass shoud have given his "girlfriend" (why bother even having a girlfriend at that age, anyway?) the pill.
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Where was the husband of the baby when this happened?!
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Dumbass shoud have given his "girlfriend" (why bother even having a girlfriend at that age, anyway?) the pill.
Its not the kid's fault, really. A 12 year old can hardly be taken responsible for most of his actions. The blame for this absurd situation obviously lies with the parents of the two kids.
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Well, I'm assuming that the parents aren't complete idiots but, in retrospect, it seems that they are.
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Well at least the fathers not a sixty year old. That happened around here some time back...
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At least they have the emotional and mental maturity to think about it, right?
Honestly, 12 years old is hardly surprising for kids to have sex, though. Egyptian royalty was married by that age and expected to have a large family by age 18. It's the age most people used to be married at.
I just worry about the child that'll come from this... It's hardly like a 13 or 15 year old can take care of a baby, so it's either a new burden for their parents or another child in an adoption agency. Maybe they'll get lucky and get adopted by Angelina Jolie...
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So I guess everyone heard about the plane crash in Buffalo, New York this morning? 51 killed, 50 on board and one on the ground, if I remember correctly.
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Yep...
I also heard a wife of a 9/11 victim was on board.
All in all, a really horrific plane crash. :-\
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They say it was because of ice on the wings. Basically, if enough ice builds up on the wings, the airflow is completely disrupted and the wings no longer produce lift.
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http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=992946 (http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=992946)
Like in so many things, good intentions, especially in terms of racial politics, make people into idiots.
Long story short, a student union voted (Yes, voted) to ban Cystic Fibrosis charities/groups as recipients for funding. Why? Because they claimed CF tends to primarily affect white men and is therefore not "inclusive" enough.
Seriously. Not making this up.
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They think the condition is.....discriminating?
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Wow...
Those councilors are complete and utter morons.
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Residents Shocked By Brutal Chimp Attack
http://www.wfsb.com/news/18726175/detail.html
The owner killed the chimp and the woman that got attack had both of her hands rip off, but here the bad part people actually made death threats to the owner if she didn't say she was sorry for killing the chimp. What about the woman attacked?! She in critical condition and only has a slim chance of getting one hand back. Some people believe it was PETA that made the calls, but PETA denied everything.
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my word :o
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Could've been the ALF, they like making death threats.
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http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=992946 (http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=992946)
Like in so many things, good intentions, especially in terms of racial politics, make people into idiots.
Long story short, a student union voted (Yes, voted) to ban Cystic Fibrosis charities/groups as recipients for funding. Why? Because they claimed CF tends to primarily affect white men and is therefore not "inclusive" enough.
Seriously. Not making this up.
If they're that concerned about 'diversity' they should just balance the ticket with some sickle cell anaemia.
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I used to point to things like the chimp story and use them as evidence were evil, heartless, bastard monkies...but I realized, we're evil, heartless, bastard monkies! cute little guys are just like us :)
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If they're that concerned about 'diversity' they should just balance the ticket with some sickle cell anaemia.
It's actually already on their list of charities.
Update, though: They've formally apologized and reinstated CF foundations as recipients.
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If they're that concerned about 'diversity' they should just balance the ticket with some sickle cell anaemia.
It's actually already on their list of charities.
Bu bu but... it affects primarily people of African descent! Its not a diverse disease at all!
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Yes, but, don't you know? When it affects primarily black people, diversity isn't an issue. It's only when it primarily affects white people that diversity becomes an issue.
This sort of stuff is really, really common in and around universities. It's why you get "Diversity Week" celebrated by black-only or asian-only or whatever-only groups. Everything except whites.
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Psst...Axel...he's making reference to the fact we are all descended from Africans.
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No, I'm not actually >_>
Sickle Cell Anaemia mostly affects 'black people' (ie: those who are only a few generations removed from those who lived in Africa).
Its because sickle cell is a recessive genetic condition (so you need a copy of the sickle cell gene from each parent to get the full blown disease) but if you only have a copy from one parent you don't get Sickle Cell but you do become highly resistant to malaria, which is one of the biggest killers in some regions of Africa.
In a similar way the gene that causes Cystic Fibrosis is suspected to play some part in immunity against bubonic plague (which was mainly a European event).
*mortarboard smiley*
Edit: http://www.gulfnews.com/region/Middle_East/10278858.html :(
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Those poor animals.
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To be fair, I can understand them shooting the lions that were on the loose. Would you want to let hungry lions rampage through the streets?
Honestly, though, the reason behind it likely seems to be that a few militants lobbed a mortar or two, ran away, and Israel did the usual "Kick dirt on my shoe, I'll drop a mountain on yours" bit and now we have a few dead camels, foxes, lions, monkeys, and other animals.
On the plus side, it means some fresh meat for the Palestinian refugees.
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Oh my f***ing god!
You're taking the Israeli's side in this?
What the hell is wrong with you?
They killed defenceless zoo animals!
Sorry Axel but thats just beyond the pale. Take a step back and examine exactly what you just said there.
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Axel I think you are missing the point here. It wasn't that they killed zoo animals for no apparent reason it's that they systematically destroyed a mean's for gazans to cope with the war and make some money. This to me looks like economic genocide.
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Not to mention the fact that they killed members of an endangered species for no good reason.
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Axel I think you are missing the point here. It wasn't that they killed zoo animals for no apparent reason it's that they systematically destroyed a mean's for gazans to cope with the war and make some money. This to me looks like economic genocide.
No, I think the point is pretty much that bastard soldiers killed a bunch of animals for kicks.
Ok, the Lions are understandable if they were running loose, but the rest are inexcusable.
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Question: Do we have proof that Israeli soldiers did this?
-Lego
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Couldn't they just use forensics to see if the bullet fragments in the animals match the caliber of the gun that fired them?
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This isn't CSI:New York, Andrew. This is Palestine.
1. Assuming they could do a check like you suggested, evidence would likely have been lost by now.
2. Someone other than an Israeli soldier could always have gotten their hands on an Israeli gun.
3. There may be, hopefully will be, an investigation, but I doubt this is a top priority, and there are limited resources.
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Yeah, that's probably the last thing on their list of things to investigate.
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Question about Black History Month:
How many people do you think would be in line to lynch the guy who proposed making March "White History Month"?
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157 to be exact.
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Oh my f***ing god!
You're taking the Israeli's side in this?
What the hell is wrong with you?
They killed defenceless zoo animals!
Sorry Axel but thats just beyond the pale. Take a step back and examine exactly what you just said there.
I dunno if I'd blame Israel. It was a few ******* soldiers, yeah, but somehow I'm doubting the entirety of Israel would kill zoo animals simply because the zoo is in Gaza. Same goes for Palestinian militants. Not all Palestinians want to fight a war...probably many of them don't. Of course, these aren't the ones you're going to be hearing about...
That said, why the hell would you shoot up a zoo? Seriously. I guess war brings out the worst in people? Maybe they just thought no one would give a damn about the animals...
Meh. It's all pretty disturbing, and I don't think i said a single thing there that made any sense.
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Oh, I'm not blaming Israel. I'm just a bit pissed off that Axel's automatic reaction is to justify it as acceptable acts in Israel's retaliation against Palestine.
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(Sorry if I'm jumping the gun on a new news story or something, but here goes.)
So up here in Canada there's a woman who has gotten herself artificially impregnated and birthed 14 kids so far. Shes unemployed and living on welfare... She claims shes doing this because shes always wanted a big family. Also shes a single mother... And recently shes been offered a deal for a million dollars to make a Porno.
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/OctoPorn-Coming-Soon-.html
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Yeah, it's a crazy story. But for the record, she lives in California, not Canada. And she turned down the porn deal.
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I see.
It's big news up here so I just assumed it was a Canadian story.
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Yeah, they have that story all over the morning news shows and current affairs shows here in Australia.
Shows like that just take a story and strangle it to death for a few weeks.
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Wow, I thought Australians and Canadians were more sensible than us. I was wrong, I suppose.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7916544.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7916544.stm)
Talk about kicking a man when he's down, or shooting him while he's on fire.
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WTF China? He was going to die anyway, why shoot him?
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Thats just cold blooded murder >:(
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Thats just cold blooded murder >:(
I don't recall the article saying anything about the man dying, but I'll check again.
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The chances of living after being on fire and then being shot are small, so I'm going to assume he's dead.
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The chances of living after being on fire and then being shot are small, so I'm going to assume he's dead.
Doesn't stop War veterans.
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It usually does. They were just the lucky ones who survived. I assume they only helped this monk because they shot him.
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No, I think the point is pretty much that bastard soldiers killed a bunch of animals for kicks.
let's not forget the civilians...
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While we are on the subject of burning civilians, lets take a brief look at the history of white phosphourus (WP).
I have not included any graphically disturbing pictures of WP victims, if you really want to see the effect WP has on organic material just search for "white phosphourus fallujah" in google or youtube, but the pictures are horrific and highly disturbing,
Im sure we all know this picture, and how it caused an outrage when it was learned that US troops had used WP to kill a village in order to setup a HQ there, this was in 1965.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h27/Poised_photos/pic-1.jpg)
Saddam Husein later used WP on the kurds, his own civilian population, in the villages of Erbil and Dohuk.
The next clear case of WP used on civilians is in Fallujah 9/11/2004, this is a picture taken after helicopters fired massive volleys of WP rockets? into the town itself.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h27/Poised_photos/0000cp5r.jpg)
And a documentary:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5763436135046925462
And to no surprise, the Isreali were using WP on the civilian population in Gaza on january 16. this year.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h27/Poised_photos/12329926331766.jpg)
WP is classified as a chemical weapon of massdestruction, our leaders are lucky that their people have their heads buried deep deep in the sand.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h27/Poised_photos/untitled.jpg)
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And the solution to all of this is?
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And the solution to all of this is?
Educate yourself and stop feeding the machine, at least thats the only 2 things I can think of, and I thought long and hard :/
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I find that free will is, for the most part, a pretty good thing. But it
sometimes usually ends up making things worse when it involves large amounts of human desire and military power.
How about eventually replacing government positions (especially the ones involved in calculating the budget) with AI once the tech is finally available? Our level of AI technology has not yet reached the ability to create human-like will. If such non-free will systems were used to calculate these tasks, only the cold hard numbers would really matter. None of the socio-politico-religious bias we see today.
Now, this would seem pretty terrifying to the common person. However, considering what people can do for personal gain, the current governments would look (and truly are) a lot more troublesome than a mostly, or totally, free-will free government. Also, in order to avoid people from manipulating the system, it will have to be protected by an intricate system of AI run checks and balances that are in turn protected by each other.
The only problem with this system is with the transitions involved with implementing it. No one can possibly be trustworthy enough for building such a thing. Hopefully, one day we can develop some kind of mind-reading technology to remedy this.
Such a long-term solution is somewhat hit or miss. If someone is able to insert his personal opinion into such a system, the consequences would be incalculable. However, if people could manage to build it properly, we could have a pretty sound, long-term solution in our hands.
True, this sounds ridiculously hard to do right now. But this is exactly why I consider this to be a long-term solution.
As for a currently feasible solution, the only thing I could think of right now is culling everyone. Man, woman, child. Everyone.
Bottom line is people will always have leadership problems as long as free will is getting in the way.
Freedom or safety. In the end, humans could only completely sustain one and not both.
And just in case anyone's wondering. If I did have the power to destroy human will, yes, yes I would. I would happily relieve them of their suffering. But that's a different problem all together. That's for another time.
And no, I am not a conspiracy theorist. For the most part at least.
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How about eventually replacing government positions (especially the ones involved in calculating the budget) with AI once the tech is finally available? Our level of AI technology has not yet reached the ability to create human-like will. If such non-free will systems were used to calculate these tasks, only the cold hard numbers would really matter. None of the socio-politico-religious bias we see today.
Now, this would seem pretty terrifying to the common person. However, considering what people can do for personal gain, the current governments would look (and truly are) a lot more troublesome than a mostly, or totally, free-will free government. Also, in order to avoid people from manipulating the system, it will have to be protected by an intricate system of AI run checks and balances that are in turn protected by each other.
I think that right there is the very root of the mess we are in today, people want to be governed, they want others to act and think for them, they rely on some faceless entity to solve all the problems, if your AI was built, then who would program it ?? not you or I, it would be the exact same people who financed the 2nd world war, and the exact same people who are now financing the 3rd world war, try looking up "hitler +funding" on google and you will see one name in particular wich embodies the very thing I described above, a sleeping civilian population who is unwilling to call a turd a turd, but instead ask their local official what the proper politically correct term is today.
The name Im hinting at is Bush offcause, Prescott Bush was convicted of treason for dealing with the enemy in a time of war in 1943, when you really look into this you will see that every bullet that killed an American or British soldier in WW2 was manufactured indirectly by Prescott Bush and his banking buddies, yet his son and his grandson were elected presidents of USA, BOTH SERVED 2 TERMS !!!!!, how can a traitor father 2 presidents unless the population is sleeping the sleep of the ignorant ?
No the solution is not to let others think for you, the solution is to face the truth about what is going on.
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Indeed.
However, wouldn't that cause more chaos when the people behind the puppet show start dealing with the sheeple in a more discreet way? Just like what's starting to happen in some countries around the world? They have the necessary resources after all. *cough*China*cough* *cough*Africa*cough* *cough*Philippines*cough*
These problems will never go away even if we all become aware of most of the things going on in the backstage. Someone somewhere will always be better, smarter and selfish enough to be able to manipulate others without them knowing it. AI governments would still deprive citizens of certain political rights, yes. However, that's also the case with a human run government, even a lot worse.
If ever people were able to control the government, the result would be anarchy, with the powerhouses of the public and military sector bribing and threatening the poor, hungry and selfish into helping them achieve power. Most of the world is too caught up struggling to feed their families in order to care for such things as political freedom. The power will never be passed down to the masses, only to other, more destructive human forces. With humans, it's either an evil chef or a bunch of good chefs. Both of which just ruin the stew.
Now, what if we do away with the chefs altogether and replace it with automated machinery? It would be safer, more efficient and most of all, more faithful to the recommended recipe. However, we can find that some people still like things that are "man made". Why? Because people deep down inside like "human" workers to look superior to "robotic" factory workers when statistics start proving otherwise. They like that horribly addictive feel of being on top of others, just like in the old days when they used fire to take down herds of woolly mammoths. People really like that sort of thing. MMOs are a pretty good example of this aspect of our nature.
The government is not the problem. Nor is the people. The problem is none other than the human condition itself. Humans are greedy, selfish beings with only minor episodes of true altruism, if ever. There is always that voice primordially programmed into people's heads telling them to do things the easy way and not the socially accepted way, similar to how they discreetly did it in the old days. The superego may be strong but the body is weak.
Human nature is a disease. A disease like Sickle-cell anemia. It helps against certain diseases, but in the end, it is a disease in itself.
If only people could channel the ill effects of that disease into more trivial things, like recreational activities and not something as delicate as running a government in charge of taking care of other, living people.
Surgeons are now using machines to perform extremely delicate surgery. Why can't we also do it on things more important than the life of one human? Because humans are afraid. Afraid to lose their power. Afraid to lose their meaning. Afraid to lose what defines their existence.
People don't want to be ruled by their own, superior creations. It is utterly humiliating for them to admit that they made something better than themselves. Actually, humans don't want to be ruled at all. Whether it is politics, religion, family or anything else requiring one to become subservient to something else.
Better to rule in hell than to serve in heaven. That is what we have become as a species. And that is what we are paying for right now.
Replacing our flawed and biased minds with something far more superior is key if we are ever to establish a lasting peace in this world. The sooner we develop the technology, the sooner we can avoid destroying ourselves due to our twisted nature.
EDIT: For omething to be done right, there must always be sacrifices.
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Oh man I cant even remember when I last read an intelligent post like yours Yuu, so many excellent points, and I can safely say that I agree with you on pretty much everything.
Yes the people in control will still do their best to increase that control, they always have since the days of Nimrod, and they will till the end of time, thats a fact that cannot be changed, one has to come to terms with the disturbing methods used to gain that control, in order to see when its done to yourself or those close to you, but even if you are aware of all their tricks and methods, then the person next to you still wont have a clue, and doesnt really care to get a clue, and will happily dance to any tune that tickles his pleasure centres, even if that means killing 1.5 million Iraqis in the process to take a recent example, I still cant understand how Danish, British and American youths can go kill civilians in an illegal and disgusting "war", but they are there, there are plenty of them, marching for the new world order .... but does that mean that you and I have to do the same ??
Human nature is indeed a disease, or rather, certain aspects are, our biggest flaw is our tendency to conform, if the person next to you say that black is white, then you also say black is white in order to conform, sadly most people go to their grave without ever breaking out and thinking for themselves, their every oppinion is someone elses oppinion, they are just parroting other peoples thoughts, other peoples words, and they are perfectly happy and content to be sheeple for their entire lives, or untill they themselves get their hand caught in the wheels of the machine, ignorance.
But there really is no solution to this, there will always be people willing to kill another person for his liver, deliver the liver, sorry I couldnt help myself there :)
But that doesnt mean that we have to be idiots as well, its like when you drink a cup of coffee, if you know that someone has peed even just a little into the coffee pot, then I bet you wouldnt drink that coffee, the same is true about human stupidity, as long as you stay ignorant you are perfectly happy drinking coffe with pee in it, because you dont know any better, I would rather have a glass of water though :)
The only solution would be if every person desired to know what is going on in reality, but I believe that is called Utopia for a reason, and it is an impossibility, so all we can do is educate ourselves, and stop helping our owners.
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As for a currently feasible solution, the only thing I could think of right now is culling everyone. Man, woman, child. Everyone.
Or just the people who suggest things this stupid.
Incidently, the nature of your argument is such that I must immediately dismiss it as your own biased opinion. It's not every day that someone presents an argument that discredits itself fo you.
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>.< Walls of text make my brain hurt after school...
Good points though.
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As for a currently feasible solution, the only thing I could think of right now is culling everyone. Man, woman, child. Everyone.
Or just the people who suggest things this stupid.
Incidently, the nature of your argument is such that I must immediately dismiss it as your own biased opinion. It's not every day that someone presents an argument that discredits itself fo you.
I bet an existence of eternal suffering that several centuries from now, eugenocide will sound like a pretty good idea.
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Well, hey: if you want to wipe out the human race, there's always one person you can start with who'll be really easy to kill.
I, meanwhile, will be livin' large. 8)
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You mean my folks? :)
Hmm...
Now that I think about it, this could make an interesting premise for a metagame...
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I don't know why, but every time I catch sight of Yuu's avatar in the corner of my eye, I think it's Justin Lee Collins...
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@Yuu: Is it bad if in the story that I'm writing, the villian uses your exact arguments?
Human nature is a disease. A disease like Sickle-cell anemia. It helps against certain diseases, but in the end, it is a disease in itself.
(http://walterwoods.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/smith.jpg)
I couldn't resist.
EDIT: Also, I believe that the human race must not submit to anything. It IS better to rule in Hell than to serve in Heaven. Preferable, it would be best to rule in Heaven.
Yes, we are twisted. Yes, we can be corrupted. But instead of replacing ourselves with something superior, we must become superior.
And if we build machines to do our jobs, then we must rule over them.
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But instead of replacing ourselves with something superior, we must become superior.
couldn't resist either
(http://i43.tinypic.com/260bh2b.jpg)
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:D References.
Sorry, gotta break the combo.
@Kcronos: Sure. :) Good luck on the story! :)
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So, I've been watching CNN and I've been hearing about some Military and Police killings in Northern Ireland by the IRA.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/northernireland/4965058/Northern-Ireland-violence-Policeman-shot-dead-in-Craigavon.html
Oh, and people are living in tents again in the USA. Great Depression 2 here we come!
http://www.panamalaw.org/USA_people_living_in_tents_again.html
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Man, looks just like those places almost right beside our neighborhood.
To think this would happen in the US again? Man, that sucks. :-\
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And we in Canada are fine because our banks didn't collapse, since they haven't changed since the 1800's. It works, at least.
It IS better to rule in Hell than to serve in Heaven.
So... Suffering for eternity with the illusion of control is better than eternal joy without that illusion? An unimpeachable, omniscient, omnipotent, morally perfect ruler is far better than trying to control it yourself... Unless you are said unimpeachable, omniscient, omnipotent, morally perfect ruler.
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Which we all are, in our hearts.
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And we in Canada are fine because our banks didn't collapse, since they haven't changed since the 1800's. It works, at least.
It IS better to rule in Hell than to serve in Heaven.
So... Suffering for eternity with the illusion of control is better than eternal joy without that illusion? An unimpeachable, omniscient, omnipotent, morally perfect ruler is far better than trying to control it yourself... Unless you are said unimpeachable, omniscient, omnipotent, morally perfect ruler.
Which is why we must aspire to become said unimpeachable, omniscient, omnipotent, morally perfect ruler.
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Aspire to be like, I'd say. Claiming to be morally perfect is a bit... Egotistical, unless you can actually back it up... Of course, by the time you're omniscient, you have to know all good and evil possibilities, so...
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So... Suffering for eternity with the illusion of control is better than eternal joy without that illusion? An unimpeachable, omniscient, omnipotent, morally perfect ruler is far better than trying to control it yourself... Unless you are said unimpeachable, omniscient, omnipotent, morally perfect ruler.
Aren't you the guy who's obsessed with the concept of personal freedom and is always really idealistic to the point of impracticability?
Haven't you basically thrown your lot in against even the most benevolent dictator by being so implacable in your support of libertarianism?
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I identify with libertarians, I'd not call myself a subscriber to their entire philosophy. I'm in the centre, as ever (Some right-wing ideals, some left, some in the middle).
As for benevolent dictators, there's a difference between mortal dictators that can be corrupted and the one true ruler of all existence that is morally perfect. Besides, anyone who knows anything about God and free will in the Judeo-Christian tradition would be well aware that free will and the right to choose is one of the prime blessings of mankind.
A benevolent dictator is the best kind of government possible, especially if they support essential freedoms (Speech, for example). The better educated this leader, the better they can rule, especially if they're morally perfect, and if they have unlimited power, well... Logically, an omniscient, omnipotent, morally perfect leader is the best leader.
However, we lack any mortal leader who has these three qualities, so the best we can do is try and develop the best government possible with what we have.
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The Sears Tower, the iconic structure that is nearly synonymous with Chicago itself is have a name change! That's right, it will now be called Willis Tower (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601203&sid=al8Qc1yYvibk)!
I cannot say that I approve of the change, but I don't have much of a voice in matters such as these. It will be interesting to see if Chicagoans (or the rest of the world) will actually start to refer to the tower as Willis or if it will simply be known as the Sears Tower.
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Why rename it? It was perfectly fine the way it was. ???
I'm still calling it Sears Tower.
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Same. That new name can go to hell!
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If they were changing the name to anything, it should be Wal-Mart Tower instead of Sears Tower.
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On Newgrounds a site made for flash animation and everything just got extreme March 17 when a kid named Thomas Briggs (Sirtom93) threaten to "Burn down" his school building. He posted on NG that he was gonna burn it down and he made a video of him holding a Gasoline tank,a knife, and a lighter. Deckheadtottie called the police and the school from his Dover home. A interview with the admin (Wade Fulp) says what he thinks of this
"Shame Deckheadtottie isn't getting more recognition in the media. He was the one who called sirtom93's school and that seemed to be the action that really got the ball rolling to stop sirtom93. I believe deckheadtottie also relayed the most information about sirtom93 to the police and the school." - Wade Fulp
Time: EST (GMT)
March 17th
6:40 AM (10:40 AM)
Thomas Briggs, aka sirtom93, claims that he's gonna burn his school down at 11:30 AM GMT. Also made a thread (http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/1039574)
6:58 AM (10:58 AM)
Rig calls the Norfolk cops.
7:07 AM (11:07 AM)
deckheadtottie calls the cops.
7:14 AM (11:14 AM)
Wade provides information to deckheadtottie, who relays to cops.
7:30 AM (11:30 AM)
Thomas Briggs personal info found, relayed to cops via the thread and the school via deckheadtottie.
10:52 AM (2:52 PM)
School phones deckheadtottie and informs him that the matter is being dealt with and the police are involved.
11:40 AM (3:40 PM)
Thomas Briggs arrested before damage dealt. Detective calls me asking for information about other NG users.
12:10 PM (4:10 PM)
The school phones deckheadtottie and says the matter has been dealt with, thanks to NG.
12:40 PM (4:40 PM)
One of the users in question phones the detective themselves, second user a mystery
3:09 PM (7:09 PM)
Am told that Thomas Briggs will be in custody overnight, evidence still being collected.
Tom is still in custody, under the mental health act.
For more info go to here http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20090317/tuk-boy-caught-with-weapon-at-school-6323e80.html
------------------------------A News Report by Summoner and some info from Rig on NG
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This should really be in the news for you blues thread.
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Once again, the internet saves the day.
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And once again, the arrogance of stupid people has foiled their plans!
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This is why you should never gloat about your evil plans until AFTER it's too late to stop it. AFTER!
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Agreed. Take a cue from Ozymandias, always gloat about it twenty minutes after its done!
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This is why you should never gloat about your evil plans until AFTER it's too late to stop it. AFTER!
(http://i42.tinypic.com/246rklx.jpg)
HE'S RIGHT YOU KNOW!
Agreed. Take a cue from Ozymandias, always gloat about it twenty minutes after its done!
Darn, beaten to it.
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Thirty-five, man, thirty-five! Learn your villainy!
... Lol
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It seems I was to slow to correct Andrew on it being 35 minutes.
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Once again, Newgrounds saves the day. For the 16,099,742nd time in a row. HAIL NEWGROUNDS!
Oh, and OZYMANDIS IS A WINNER!
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Newgrounds is the police and the crazy people of the internet wait lets give the crazy award to 4chan :p
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Newgrounds is the police and the crazy people of the internet wait lets give the crazy award to 4chan :p
Let's face it, you'll never be as good a Internet Vigilante Group as Anon.
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LOL!!
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It's too bad they only go after Scientology, but I suppose that if you ever want any vigilante group out there, it'd need to be something as blatantly silly as Scientology. Subjects that are actually controversial in any way bring disagreement with them.
Of course, I'd love to see an Anonymous version of the ACLU. That'd be amusing.
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What do you mean by that, exactly? pretty sure any group of lawyers that acted like Anonymous would be disbarred en mass.
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You don't need to be a lawyer to be a member of the ACLU, last I checked. All it takes is a one-time donation of 20 dollars or more.
Doesn't need to be directly related to the ACLU, though. They can be what the IRA are to the Sinn Fein, but non-violent.
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Nadya Suleman, a resident La Habra, California, and already a single mother with six young children, gave birth to the octuplets through in-vitro fertilization, fueling controversy.
*sigh*
It's not the main point of the article (http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/03/31/octuplets.mom.firings/index.html?iref=mpstoryview)... but noteworthy for this thread.
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That's old news. There's been a media stream surrounding this woman for months and months now, including her mother saying that this woman is addicted to having children.
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Looks like another team of researchers found evidence of thermite/thermate in the dust of WTC 1 2 and 7, this was in an article from yesterday, too bad our desire to conform and only say what we hope others will aprove off will silence this eye opener as well, even though its a picture of a smoking gun in the hands of the only people who had acces and opportunity to plant all this thermate beforehand .....
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=13049
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Looks like another team of researchers found evidence of thermite/thermate in the dust of WTC 1 2 and 7, this was in an article from yesterday, too bad our desire to conform and only say what we hope others will aprove off will silence this eye opener as well, even though its a picture of a smoking gun in the hands of the only people who had acces and opportunity to plant all this thermate beforehand .....
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=13049
Actually, if you watch the collapse of the towers, you can see the way it buckles before collapsing. Look at any footage as close as you can and you see an area bent inwards. Then, it can take no more, snaps, the building starts to fall and kaboom.
Besides, thermitic material just means that aluminium and a ferrous metal were abundantly present in the burning building. Since the outside of a plane is aluminium and there were a lot of ferrous metals in the building, it would be illogical not to find it there.
Finally, do you think a government that couldn't cover up a break-in into a hotel could cover up the amount of men, time, materials, and other things involved in setting up explosives in a building and then having a plane crash into it?
My goodness, man, analyze things critically.
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Actually, if you watch the collapse of the towers, you can see the way it buckles before collapsing. Look at any footage as close as you can and you see an area bent inwards. Then, it can take no more, snaps, the building starts to fall and kaboom.
Besides, thermitic material just means that aluminium and a ferrous metal were abundantly present in the burning building. Since the outside of a plane is aluminium and there were a lot of ferrous metals in the building, it would be illogical not to find it there.
Finally, do you think a government that couldn't cover up a break-in into a hotel could cover up the amount of men, time, materials, and other things involved in setting up explosives in a building and then having a plane crash into it?
My goodness, man, analyze things critically.
Actually before the corner "buckled" as you say, streams of molten metal was seen and recorded flowing from below that area. I agree with your choice of word when you say kaboom, because the top of the tower first started moving outwards and downwards, only to disappear in a cloud of dust without continuing its outwards momentum, this would either indicate that it did not meet any resistance from below, or that the bottom of the top block was being removed before it could impact with standing tower, so your recollection of that event is not accurate.
I am no scientist at all, but when they conclude that "The red portion of these chips is found to be an unreacted thermitic material and highly energetic.", then I pay attention, because that statement is extremely explosive politically speaking, or it would be if it was being discussed, but like I said, I doubt this will make it anywhere important.
And yes I definitely believe people are able to keep secrets from the masses.
The Gulf of Tonkin incident that started the Vietnam war was a lie, USA started that war, did you know that ?
USS Liberty was attacked and almost wiped out by Isreali fighter planes, did you know that ?
Both Bush Presidents were fathered by a convicted traitor to the USA, did you know that ?
Yes its quite possible for a govornment to keep secrets from its people, they do it all the time, day in day out.
Analyzing things is not the same as getting your information from the television, or from the fictional history we learn in school.
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Well, at least US politicians know how to keep at least some semblance of style, unlike the a-holes that are running the steaming pile of trash that I'm currently sitting on, let alone all the other underdeveloped and backwards countries out there. :P
Third World politics is an international sport. And the ignorant masses are quite a loyal fanbase of it.
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Also: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-binghamton-shooting-hosta-2009apr04,0,956695.story
one of my sagan buddies, MNIDJM, was a door away from the massacre. :'(
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http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/cityregion/s_619260.html
5 police officers were shot and 3 were killed. From what I saw on it all started after a domestic dispute call.
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Actually before the corner "buckled" as you say, streams of molten metal was seen and recorded flowing from below that area. I agree with your choice of word when you say kaboom, because the top of the tower first started moving outwards and downwards, only to disappear in a cloud of dust without continuing its outwards momentum, this would either indicate that it did not meet any resistance from below, or that the bottom of the top block was being removed before it could impact with standing tower, so your recollection of that event is not accurate.
I am no scientist at all, but when they conclude that "The red portion of these chips is found to be an unreacted thermitic material and highly energetic.", then I pay attention, because that statement is extremely explosive politically speaking, or it would be if it was being discussed, but like I said, I doubt this will make it anywhere important.
And yes I definitely believe people are able to keep secrets from the masses.
The Gulf of Tonkin incident that started the Vietnam war was a lie, USA started that war, did you know that ?
USS Liberty was attacked and almost wiped out by Isreali fighter planes, did you know that ?
Both Bush Presidents were fathered by a convicted traitor to the USA, did you know that ?
Yes its quite possible for a govornment to keep secrets from its people, they do it all the time, day in day out.
Analyzing things is not the same as getting your information from the television, or from the fictional history we learn in school.
Please watch this. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMZ-nkYr46w) This will explain why and show very clearly how the collapse occurred. As for streams of molten metal, wouldn't a plane flying into a building logically create streams of molten metal? Aluminium's melting point is about 1200 F, and the fires reached 1800 F at their worst. Now, what's the major material in the frame of an airplane? Giggles for guesses!
As for the tower "falling outwards", if you watch closely, you'll see it, like a child bouncing on a trampoline, does fall slightly to the side, but it stays mostly on centre. Why? Because there's no real force pushing it out that way. Gravity is pushing it down. The building then continues to collapse very quickly because it's a building collapsing. The full weight of the top half of the WTC just came falling down on top of it, it's going to fall fast.
As for thermitic material, again, that's not hard to explain away. For example, many communications systems and electric wires use thermite in their construction. Some paints even do (Some theorize the Hindenburg went up in flames for just that reason). There's a thousand and one materials it could have been there. It could've also been created when quantities of iron oxide were mixed with an abundant source of aluminium at high temperatures, something that is hard to deny given that there was a huge source of aluminium full of probable sources of iron oxide jammed straight into another probable source of iron oxide.
You may not be a scientist but it's not hard to use the scientific method to examine evidence and figure out the most logical and likely hypothesis.
Now, as for your other statements...
-The Gulf of Tonkin incident was a phantom but the Vietnam war had been ongoing since 1955. The war itself was the muddy result of colonialism and foreign powers meddling where they were not wanted. All the US started was its sending in ground troops, but it'd been involved in the war for years by that point.
-The attack on the USS Liberty was dubbed a friendly fire incident. The evidence suggests it was. The Israelis WERE attacking them intentionally... Because they thought they were an enemy ship. The Liberty was a refitted cargo ship, and the Israelis were looking for a refitted cargo ship. It was identified and its position targeted while it was wreathed in smoke. The attacks were called off, not when the ship was sunk, but when Israeli pilots noticed GTR on the bow, in Latin alphabet letters, not in Arabic.
You have to ask which is more likely: Israel attacking their most valuable ally on the whole planet on the off chance they might say something to Jordan, or for Israel to mistakenly target a vessel? Note that even US pilots with more modern weapons and targeting systems have bombed Canadian troops flying full colours...
-That's just silly. George H. W. Bush is not a convicted traitor to the United States. Therefore, how can G. Bush Jr. be the son of a convicted traitor? Sr's father was Prescott Bush, also never convicted of treason. It does not follow, my friend.
Phew! That took a while...
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Molten aluminum will have a silvery glare to it, the metal flowing out from the tower just before the collapse did not have that glow, instead it had the colouration of thermite, furthermore there were pools of molten metal below all three buildings weeks after 9/11, you dont get molten metal from 1100f fires, so no I dont believe the molten metal was aluminum.
The video does present an interesting point about the visibly bent exterior, but that does not mean that the interior had been weakened by fires and hence caused the collapse(s), the evidence for that theory is infinitely thinner than the theory it tries to debunk, its a theoretical possibility, but its definitely not fact by any stretch of the meaning of that word. It fails to explain or debunk any of the observed anomalies, like the molten metal, and how the lobby was blown out like a bomb had gone off when FDNY arrived, the myriad of testimonies reporting bombs going off, not to mention why WTC7 collapsed under even more suspicious circumstances.
The video takes one single incident, and then it spins all kinds of theories around it, non of wich have yet to be proven, the walls could also have given in in that fashion if the support had been removed with thermate, like the flowing metal prior to the collapse below the break line would suggest.
Its not easy to really see what is going on with that top chunk, since for some reason the concrete all around it turned into dust obscuring the view.
And again the thermate, the options you put forth does not explain the specifics of their findings like this one : "4. Iron oxide appears in faceted grains roughly 100 nm across whereas the aluminum appears in thin platelike structures. The small size of the iron oxide particles qualifies the material to be characterized as nanothermite or super-thermite.", I trust these guys know what they talk about when they describe the tell tale sign of a thermate reaction, appearantly small sized iron oxide grains are produced at thermate temperatures, non of what you suggested will result in a temperature as high as thermate.
As for the 3 incidents, people are still taught to this day that the Vietnamese started the Vietnam war, the attack on USS liberty was not as benign as you portray it if you listen to the survisors tell about it, and yes Prescott Bush was convicted for trading with the enemy in a time of war in 1943, in other words treason, and no he didnt father baby Bush, he was the father of one and the grandfather of the other.
Off to bed :)
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I didn't watch the whole video, sorry.
A couple points:
-Thermite is used in welding, sometimes in very large amounts. One example is with railroad rails, they fuse them together in 1/4 and 1/2 mile long sections with thermite. I would expect there would be a LOT of residue from a steel building.
-The explanation for the lobbies begin blown out that I have heard was that the heat from the fires as well as all the spilled jet fuel in the elevator shafts caused the cables to snap and the free falling elevator carsblew out the doors at the lobby levels. The extreme heat from the fires rendered the emergency brakes on the cars ineffective.
Oh, I find it hilarious that people are so attached to an episode of 'The Lone Gunmen' that they are certain that 9/11 was a government operation. LOL
-Lego
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The liquid flowing off there is aluminium. Aluminium glows different colours at different temperatures, and turns light orange at around 1800 F. Also, if you look at pictures of it, the metal falling turns silvery-grey as it approaches the ground, which molten steel would not do. It would, instead, turn near-black in colour but this is not what we see.
Interestingly enough, there's a fun little calculation that is put forth on the topic. A lot of 9/11 Truthers claim that the material falling is molten iron, created by thermite as you seem to espouse. Thing is, someone did a size comparison of the droplets falling to the size of the window and arrived at a figure of 30 tons. Thermite requires two pounds of material for each pound of molten iron produced. In short, that's 60 tons of thermite that'd have to have been moved and stored in the WTC without anyone noticing. Not the office workers, the employees... No-one.
Now, as for other things. The buckling of the building is clearly very visible. There's images of it in any close-up footage you watch. It's not something you have to take on faith, you can very plainly see it. The science fits it too, so it makes obvious sense. As for the lobby being "blown out", I've never heard of anything like that. If you're referring to the smoke at the base, though, that's very easily explained. I'll wait to see your answer before I bother typing out even more.
I'm not really sure what you're referring to in terms of the thermite bit here. Care to clarify?
Lastly:
-In Vietnam, it's hard to tell who started the war. The idea generally would be, though, that the Vietnamese had some part in its beginning, since they live in Vietnam. If you mean America's involvement, though, yes, that is suspect.
-The USS Liberty, meanwhile, has survivor stories but survivors telling their perspective are not the best people to talk to. After all, they'll infer things they can't possibly know (Like if someone on the other side saw something or not). The entire reason the Israeli fighters ceased their attack and called it off was because they later realized their mistake and reported the letters on the boat were not in Arabic.
-Prescott Bush's charges of treason are hardly damning. The guy had investments in companies that worked with other companies that helped finance Nazi Germany's rise to power. Specifically, he had investments in Brown Brothers Harriman, a private investment bank, which gave investment money to German businesses. It's not exactly what I'd call sedition. His only real connection to the Nazi Party was a man named Fritz Thyssen, who owned a business that used the bank's services and Thyssen gave money to the Nazis of his own accord and became a party member.
To be honest, though, I don't see what Prescott Bush's actions have to do with anything. It's like saying that, because my father is a bad person, I must be one too. Thank goodness we don't let that kind of reasoning run our lives...
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Poised, do you honestly think any government is competant enough to cover someth
You know, I was going to say something, but I don't want to have to read the eye-straining reply.
So: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7984054.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7984054.stm)
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-You give the explanation yourself as to why it is not aluminum, in order for aluminum to change colour it would have to reach blast furnace temperatures, but you claim the temperatures were only 1100f, and at 1100f molten aluminum looks like liquid silver, it is very distinctly silvery looking.
Here you have aluminum at the temperature you claim the fires burned at <----> and here you have it at blast furnace temperature.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h27/Poised_photos/aluminum_casting.jpg) (http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h27/Poised_photos/lg_molten-lg.jpg)
I believe the temperatures were at blast furnace+ degrees in those towers at some points in time, but thats because I believe thermate was used wich burns at extreme temperatures, but how would you explain the temperature being hot enough for the flowing molten metal to be aluminum ??
-Here is a clip from the Naudet brothers video in relation to the blown out lobby, this is 90+ floors below where the airplane hit, and please dont say jet fuel traveled down the elevators, the fuel burned off long before the heat could even remotely start to effect anything about the elevator cables or brakes, there are offcause many eye and earwitness reports that give alternate explanations, but since this was a deviation from the topic to begin with then I wont deviate any further unless we must.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzwRcZcXIrk
-And again, the buckling of the exterior does not equal sagging floors heated by jet fuel, its an event that can be caused by many things.
-Im not sure how much clearer I can make it in regards to the report, the heat required to produce the residue found in the WTC dust is not consistent with a jet fuel fire.
-Concluding that the vietnamese started the war because they lived in Vietnam, is like concluding that the Iraqis started the present war because they live in Iraq, nonsense.
-Have you read any of the reports from the survivors ? here is a quote from one of them :"If it was an accident, it was the best planned accident I've ever heard of"
-How does "trading with the enemy in a time of war" not equal treason ??
Poised, do you honestly think any government is competant enough to cover someth
Heh that right there boggles my mind every day :)
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Oyshamaroo...
The temperature did reach, near the end, 1800F. THAT is the number I claimed and am claiming. I might've gotten confused and said otherwise, but it did reach 1800F. At around 1000C, or 1800F, that is the colour aluminium turns. This supports that it was aluminium dripping as molten metal and strikes this from any evidence for your side.
Sagging floors from heat ARE caused by jet fuel fires, as evidenced by what you can see occurring through the hole in the wall of one of the towers. As for the lobby "explosions", they could've been caused by anything. Here's what an electric transformer exploding looks like. (http://www.stupidcollege.com/items/Electric-Transformer-Explosion)
Now, as for the fires, what residue are you talking about? The thermite chips? Because we've already been over how those could've been created and how thermite is illogical as it would have required 60 tons of material.
It's also ridiculously improbable.
Since a pound of thermite takes up a good portion of a paint can, there's 2000 pounds in a ton, and it would've taken at least 60 tons of thermite having to fill the building to produce the liquid metal you claim is caused by thermite. We're talking an amount equivalent to roughly 120,000 paint cans. You'd have filled room after room with paint cans, piling it high, and you're saying no-one would notice this?
As for the residue and the heat consistency, I'd like to see what evidence you have of that so I can get materials on it.
-Saying that the Vietnamese started the war refers to their leadership. Sorry for the misinterpretation.
-Survivors quotes are notoriously spotty. Again, they're inferring something they couldn't possibly know. It's like someone saying that you're saying all this to troll. You might not be, you probably aren't, but what proof do you have to deny it? From their perspective, it's the truth, but they're not you so they can't tell.
-Trading with the enemy, in the sense of building weapons for them, could be construed as treason. They were, however, a bank. To suddenly cancel and halt trading with their customers would've been theft. Imagine if you held your money and mortgage with a bank from another country and war broke out between you, then, suddenly, you couldn't access your money because the bank would be "trading with the enemy" to let you do so.
We need to move this somewhere else.
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This is a double post but it's so that a mod can move that without getting rid of this article: Bankers don't want the bail-outs! (http://money.cnn.com/2009/03/27/news/economy/tarp_takeback/index.htm)
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http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7014680181
Apparently, North Korea has launched a rocket.
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Apparently. They have said they were going to for weeks now.
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Apparently. NK's missle landed in the pacific.
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I have seen the video that tries to debunk the thermate, so I know what numbers you are refering to, but the thing is, they just throw out those numbers in the video, they give absolutely no explanation as to how a mostly oxygen starved fire can reach impossible 1800f, and they give absolutely no explanation for the numbers they arrive at when calculating the proposed amount of thermate used, their entire presentation is pure theory, and thus the numbers you are mentioning doesnt really have any meaning, since they arent based on anything if they are derived from the debunk video.
I do however agree that we have taken it far enough here, and whoever thought I was trolling, shame on you, I quite enjoyed having an open discussion about something as controversial as coverups, and I thank you for keeping it friendly and civil Axel, sorry for not replying sooner but I was installing a new MB.
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The numbers were arrived at by monitoring the amount of material falling from the window, which was claimed to be molten iron from a thermite burn. The generally arrived at number, if it were aluminium, would be about 10 tons of molten aluminium, gathered by counting the amount of metal slugs falling in captured video and referring their size to the size of the windows (Which, in some frames, actually totals around 2250 pounds of metal). However, iron is denser, roughly three times denser, than aluminium. This number translates into roughly 30 tons of molten iron. It's on a lot of debunking websites out there.
As for "oxygen-starved" fires, I don't know why you would suggest a gaping wound in a building would be starved for oxygen. Dark smoke is created in any fire that has ample burnable materials to produce, a fact I am greatly aware of from seeing my own home going up in smoke.
Personally, what I still find wonderfully incredulous is that this is plausible. Wouldn't it have been just as easy to have a terrorist plot to burn through building supports and have the whole thing topple? You could, quite literally, have the terrorists on news cameras, get plausible deniability... You could do what was done with Afghanistan and have the weapons be sold to them from an outsider and... I could go on and on about ways that this could be done in a way that is far easier and far less easily tracked down.
I'm always glad to have a civil debate, but we'd need to have this elsewhere to continue... Not that I see either of us stopping any time soon.
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Remember this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban_treatment_of_women
In some country's it's gotten worse:
In a part of pakistan, women over the age of eight can no longer go to school.
Not only that, in afghanistan, they;ve actually legalized rape.
I am appaled, and extreamly sickened by the treatment of these poor women.
I hope Egypt doesn't except the taliban D:
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Actually, what they did was restore Afghanistan to an interpretation of Shia law. The new law states:
"As long as the husband is not traveling, he has the right to have sexual intercourse with his wife every fourth night, unless the wife is ill or has any kind of illness that intercourse could aggravate, the wife is bound to give a positive response to the sexual desires of her husband."
It's the most bizarre form of law, and one could possibly see challenge from the number of Afghani women rapidly gaining political power. Of course, it might not. After all, in Japan, it's still legal for a man to rape his wife and judges can dismiss a woman's rape claim in any case if they feel that she did not defend herself in a way they deem a natural response, essentially claiming they wanted it.
These kinds of laws are not limited to the Middle East. The simplest solution is not to get married (After all, if the marriage contract includes this consideration, then you can't really say otherwise. It's like a prostitute taking money and then saying no and any touch thereafter is rape; you signed the contract and agreed to its terms). However, I find do find such laws stupid and they should be removed from the contracts, but this is, by far, the least aggressive of any. It actually has limits and considerations, after all.
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Would that not be a part of the world where arranged marriage is still exisits and is possibly common. If so the women has no choice she can't avoid rape by staying single as her parents traded her single-hood for 2 goats and some farmland.
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With Afghanistan, it's difficult to say. It's about a dozen or more cultures all sharing the same nation, so arranged marriages do exist there. However, it's only really common in two areas overall, one being the tribal cultures (Who, honestly, care as much for government and law outside their tribes as they do for the government in China) and the other being the supremely wealthy, who don't so much arrange the marriages as guide them.
In the case of the former, the daughter is usually going to die if she says no. In the case of the latter, she has the right to say no (But might be disowned if she says it too often, which is the right of the parent to do so).
However, when it comes to wandering tribes, you might as well be telling water to not slip through your fingers; you can yell and scream at it but it's going to anyway. This law means nothing to them.
As for the wealthy, that sort of arranged marriage exists worldwide, even in the US, with the wealthy shepherding their children to marry other rich folk in the same way of the Kings and Queens of old. They are free to say no, but they'll end up booted out the door if they say it too much and it's totally legal.
I do say again, though, that this sort of law is hardly confined to Afghanistan and, in fact, it has the most mild of any law I've ever seen. Japan's treatment of women is worse than this. They only outlawed gang-rape a few years ago.
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Not to mention the alarming number of pedo-teachers out there, who should have committed their naughtiness in mainland China instead. >_>
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An all female society. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7998931.stm)
First ants, then humans?
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Let's just ignore the differences between both species then.
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Not sure if this goes here, but we'll be able to watch the pirate hunting on reality TV.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7999790.stm
-Lego
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Well, that's actually good news for TV, so it doesn't go here. Still, that's really awesome.
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An all-female society, created through cloning, is going to be a bad place to be. Once one disease comes along that no-one has a genetic resistance to and it's like lighting a fire under the tinderbox.
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PETA apparently
killed put down 2216 animals of the 2223 animals they took in in 2008.
Link (http://www.petakillsanimals.com/)
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That's gotta hurt.
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An all-female society, created through cloning, is going to be a bad place to be. Once one disease comes along that no-one has a genetic resistance to and it's like lighting a fire under the tinderbox.
And once a month, the place becomes a war zone.
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North Korea to try U.S. women, agency says (http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/04/23/nkorea.journalists/index.html?eref=rss_topstories)
That was indeed what CNN originally titled the article.
I was highly amused until I read the article.
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Swedish Diplomats?
What has Sweden got to do with anything?
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They're Scandinavians.
They have something to do with everything.
It's one of the fundamental laws that sustain the universe.
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Scandinavians (vikings) have actually long since conquered the globe and set up shadow governments. They're everywhere.
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What?
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I'm afraid we will have to...silence you.
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A Scandinavian conspiracy? Bah, that's nonsense.
*looks into the camera and points with his thumb*
I want to be clear. There is not now, nor has there ever been, a Scandinavian shadow government. Thank you.
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On April 30th it's Queen's Day (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queensday) in the Netherlands, a rather big national holiday.
So everything is going fine and cheerful, when suddenly (the Dutch royal family is in the open bus):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_U17aqfjGs
Apparently the car smashed through the blockades. It's unknown whether is was an attack or an accident. At least 14 people were injured, 2 of them have died from their injuries.
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Those are some pretty piss poor blockades, then.
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In the open bus? That's, like, ghetto as far as royal families go. Where are the open, convertible solid-gold chariots?
Very unfortunate events, though.
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If we banned cars, this wouldn't happen. Lets form Mothers Against Cars.
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Did the driver survive so we can at least find out what they were trying to do?
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Nope, he's brain dead.
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Did the driver survive so we can at least find out what they were trying to do?
He died last night. Six people have died now, there are still 12 people injured, of which four seriously.
In the open bus? That's, like, ghetto as far as royal families go. Where are the open, convertible solid-gold chariots?
You should see what else they do on a normal Queen's Day. They almost look like normal people then ;)
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You can't start a revolution against normal people. They have to think they are better than anyone else or something. You'll have to fake it and lie, then.
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You can't start a revolution against normal people. They have to think they are better than anyone else or something. You'll have to fake it and lie, then.
I have no idea what you're talking about :-\
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Yes, it's meaning is so deep you can't even find it on the surface of the text. There was a trapdoor...
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I was talking about starting a political revolution to overthrow the monarchy. Think french and you have the idea (Or perhaps not). And... never mind...
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good thing none of the royal family got hurt...I fandomize them. :-\
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OH GOD YOU SICK BASTARD!
Wait... Fandomize? Oh... I see... I thought you said sod-...yeah. Alright.
Moving on...
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You're so funny, aren't you.
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It involved butts and is therefore funny. So sayeth the logic of 12 year-olds.
Also: http://www.funnymos.com/economic-crisis-effects.html (http://www.funnymos.com/economic-crisis-effects.html)
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Man dies after attempting suicide 4 times in one day. (http://www.mosnews.com/society/2009/05/06/suicidal/)
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If at first you don't succeed...
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After 3 attempts to kill your self and you still ain't dead do you figure maybe I shouldn't be dead if I'm not dieing or do you just figure you suck so bad you can't even kill your self so you deserve death even more?
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.................why did he fill the bathtub
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So that even if he doesn't die from the blood loss, he'll still drown when he passes out from it?
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why not just eat dynamite with a long fuse and ignite it?
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Because not everyone has sticks of dynamite laying around, and not everyone could swallow the thing whole. But other than that,
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/Not_Inkling/incrediblewaytodie.png)
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Wow. Seriously. Talk about the World being against you.
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Or for you depending on which way you look at it.
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Well he did finally top himself, so I guess the world was just screwing with him.
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This just makes me sad... (http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/05/19/minnesota.forced.chemo/index.html)
A 13 year old boy who could be saved by chemotherapy, who has a big chance at survival, who is so completely incapable of making an informed decision...
So it falls to his mother, who has denied the treatment and gone with Native American holistic treatments instead. Now, there's a suit to try and get her son transferred to Family Services so he can get proper treatment.
What it comes down to is, do you deny someone their basic freedom to make decisions for themselves and their children, or do you save a child's life when his mother is just senselessly throwing it away? Do we do the right thing at the cost of a piece of our humanity, to save a larger portion, or do we set a dark precedent and let in the corruption of giving away self-determination?
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Simpsons South Park did it!
I guess if they don't want the treatment they don't have to have it. You could say that the problem will work itself out (survival of the fittest) but hey, maybe they know something we don't.
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Last I heard, the court decided to overrule the parent's rights and get the boy treatment. The figures if I recall correctly were 90% success rate at chemo with an option to x-ray if that doesn't work, and certain death within 5 years if left untreated.
VV Court decided kid isn't old enough to be making decisions like that.
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Well, if the kid isn't informed enough to make the desicion I'd say the mother isn't much better, considering she never taught her son to read.
What's with kids these days and their crazy illiteracy. I was reading before kindergarden.
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The parent has the right to choose treatment for their child. No matter what. It's the mother that needs to be informed.
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The right to essentially choose death is going a bit far.
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I agree with Gec. It is the mother's job to be informed but in this case she is not.
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Well... let's try to look at it from her side. All these people are telling her she's wrong and that her son is going to die if she doesn't make the right choice. That's a lot of pressure and anguish to bear and she's doing what she thinks is the best solution. Whether or not it is the right solution is up in the air. Is the holistic approach going to work? Probably not but then again sometimes it does. Will the chemotherapy work? Yeah probably, but then again that doesn't work all the time either.
She's probably not as ill-informed (nice way to say she's stupid) like a lot of you are saying... most of us probably can't begin to imagine what she's going through because we're not parents, we're not women, and because we haven't had to make a decision to decide whether or not someone lives or dies.
What's with kids these days and their crazy illiteracy. I was reading before kindergarden.
If I've learned anything about anything from my time here it is that people at GamingSteve do not constitute the norm. :P
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It could probably be looked at several ways. He had one chemo treatment then stopped. She's probably scared and confused and protective. She might not want him to be scared or hurt anymore and is willing to try other things. I don't think at 13 he can make an informed decision on his own, it's up to his parents to advocate for him. She needs think things through. Her son is going to die and she probably thinks she is helping him without hurting him.
Apparently this type of cancer is treatable so it seems that he really should finish the treatment. Chemo isn't fun. It makes people sick before it makes them better, if it does. Last I heard the father is willing to start treatment again.
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Do we set a dark precedent and let in the corruption of giving away self-determination?
Surely self-determination is letting the kid decide, not his mother? :P
Unless we want to set a dangerous precedent by making children effectively the property of their parents.
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What's with kids these days and their crazy illiteracy. I was reading before kindergarden.
If I've learned anything about anything from my time here it is that people at GamingSteve do not constitute the norm. :P
I'm pretty sure that age 3/4 is when kids usually start reading on their own. If you haven't got the gist of it from your parents and/or nursery school (I guess you'd call it a daycare) then you should certainly have it down after your first term in preschool (kindergarten? Normally age five, anyway.)
While we can't expect every parent to be able to introduce their children to literature so young, illiteracy past the age of introduction to the school system is a sign that something has gone wrong.
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I'm pretty sure that age 3/4 is when kids usually start reading on their own.
Three or four? That's mad young to be learning to read on your own with any kind of proficiency.
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nice controversy!
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Three or four? That's mad young to be learning to read on your own with any kind of proficiency.
Hah! Wow I'm sorry about that one. :P
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Well, I never did say "on your own with proficieny." But mastering letter sounds isn't beyond the capabilities of your average four year old, and that's all you need to do to read aloud.
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You're right, I added the bit about proficiency.
That doesn't change the point though. Three or four isn't when most kids start to read without parental assistance. Five to seven is more likely to be the time when someone really learns how to read on their own. Now if you started reading at three or four, hey, congrats. You were ahead of the curve. But you're not most people, you're at Gaming Steve. :P
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Even if they can read at that age, the mentality of most children at that age are still under developed to be making complex and educated decisions.
Try explaining something intellectual to a kid like you would with a fellow adult. See if they can grasp anything you said.
I've tried, they don't get it.
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That is the exact tactic I use when my nephews try to trap me in the "why" loop.
"Why does the dog breathe with it's tongue out?"
*cue in-depth answer talking about the dog's respiratory and circulatory systems*
Works every time!
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*notes down*
Thank you Patman!
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It's probably not a great thing to do with your own kids though... it'd probably mess them up pretty good. :-[
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Surely self-determination is letting the kid decide, not his mother? :P
Unless we want to set a dangerous precedent by making children effectively the property of their parents.
The kid has said he wants to holistic treatment. He is, however, mentally challenged to some extent (to what, I do not know, as it might just be something the doctors are saying to try and force them into court).
This is the child's decision, the mother agrees.
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You're right, I added the bit about proficiency.
That doesn't change the point though. Three or four isn't when most kids start to read without parental assistance. Five to seven is more likely to be the time when someone really learns how to read on their own. Now if you started reading at three or four, hey, congrats. You were ahead of the curve. But you're not most people, you're at Gaming Steve. :P
Of course it doesn't change the point: the point I was try to make remains the same, while you're off in a strange, parallel dimension where I apparently said "Four year olds should be able to read whatever text you give them on their own. And entirely comprehend and write a three-page essay on the themes contained therein."
We seem to have different ideas on what constitutes "starting reading"
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Alright... fine.
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Not news for your blues, so much as news for my blues. I've mentioned this to the people in IRC, but I just now uploaded the pictures.
So, I was out on the boat with my family on Sunday. We're heading back to the dock, when we see this huge plume of black smoke in the parking lot, and quickly realize that the smoke is coming from very close to where I parked. Some Jeep had apparently burst into flames and the wind blew the fire onto the cars next to it. I got there just as my truck began to catch. Here's the aftermath.
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/Not_Inkling/RemainsoftheTruck007.jpg)
Okay, there's some serious damage, but it might not be too bad...
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/Not_Inkling/RemainsoftheTruck013.jpg)
No, it's pretty bad.
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/Not_Inkling/RemainsoftheTruck019.jpg)
REALLY bad.
So I'm really bummed out. I loved that truck. It was my grandfather's and I drove it all through high school and college, drove it to prom, took it tailgating, the works. Sad day for me.
So um, now that I'm on the market for a new vehicle, what would you guys suggest?
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Get a new pickup. Nothing too fancy. Just something that isn't too different than the truck you're used to. Unless you wanted something else.
Depends on what you like to use your car for.
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Dude, that sucks. Especially as it was your granddad's, it probably has a lot of sentimental value. Is the engine/transmission itself badly damaged?
Get a Toyata FJ Cruiser. (http://www.toyota.com/fjcruiser/)I wish Toyota marketed these in Oz.
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Damn... I agree with getting a new pickup, unless you have a ridiculous amount of cash to spend on completely overhauling that smoldering chaise of yours.
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The engine is completely roasted, the truck is totaled. We're waiting on the insurance check to see what options I have.
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Get a car with good gas mileage. Your wallet will thank me when the gas runs out :P
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Aw that sucks.
But yeh, if you get a new fuel-efficient thingy rather than an old truck, you will save a load of money of petrol.
Edit: But not a prius!!!
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Get a laser-rocket-cannon-hummer-truck. It may only get 20 gallons to the mile, bu chicks dig laser-rocket-cannon-hummer-trucks.
Also, it's made out of laser.
And cannons.
Not the camera kind of Cannons, I mean the yarr I'm a pirate shooting at you with my cannon type.
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My vote still goes to the FJ Cruiser. Or a nice new ute.
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What were you doing driving a pickup truck in the first place? Just how much freight do you have to handle on a daily basis?
Get a sensible car.
EDIT: Observe the difference between the U.K. and the U.S. when it comes to cars. The Brits recommend sensible cars. The Americans seem to really love pickup trucks.
The Australians and Canadians are just outright insane.
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Thank you lurk, for not letting me down. For a recap as to why I had it, I inherited it from my grandfather. In other words, free vehicle. We used it to pull the boat out to the lake and to haul around mulch and stuff. I'm not some redneck driving around a massive jacked up F-350 to boost my redneck cred, I had use for it.
But I am thinking along the lines of getting something more fuel efficient. I'm not sure if I want to get something as low to the ground as a "sensible car," though. When I drive cars on the highway I can't see the traffic around me as well and I feel like I'm going to get plowed under by a semi. Right now I'm leaning toward a small suv, but I haven't made up my mind yet.
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The Australians and Canadians are just outright insane.
What do you mean insane? How are we insane?
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Grass grows, birds fly, sun shines, and brother: I'm a jerk.
What do you mean insane? How are we insane?
Get a laser-rocket-cannon-hummer-truck. It may only get 20 gallons to the mile, bu chicks dig laser-rocket-cannon-hummer-trucks.
And that Toyota SBD recommended gets seventeen miles to the gallon.
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OMG Inkling, that is crazy. :o Is insurance going to cover it?
If you like SUV type vehicles, look at the Honda CRV, good mileage and nice driving car. Also look at the Toyota RAV4. If you like trucks the Toyota Tacoma is good and starts at 15K and has 20 mpg. If you want a car, the Toyota Yaris starts at $12K and gets up to 40 mpg. Yeah, I like Toyota's and have owned a bunch in the past.
You might check the GM dealers, with some of them going out of business there is bound to be some super deals on trucks. New and used.
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The car that started the fire should be paying for the damages! Granted, the age of the truck you won't get much, but file a claim against that guy. If you had to incur any expenses because of loss of transportation claim those too.
Anyhow, a lot of Dodge dealers HAVE to sell their inventory by June 9th. A guy I work with picked up a Nitro for $10,000 under invoice.
GM dealerships will be in the same boat soon, so you might be able to get a deal there too... 5yr/100,000 warranty isn't a bad thing.
-Lego
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You could go complete opposite. I drive a suzuki swift, which is a fun little car, and it gets mpg in the 40's. It kinda depends how you drive it though...
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For goodness' sake, don't get a Wrangler!
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Oh, there's no way in hell I'm getting a Wrangler. I kinda hate all Jeeps now.
Yes, insurance is going to cover it. Whether I get paid by my insurance or the Jeep's insurance, I don't know yet.
That's probably a good idea, Lego. I know of a few local dealerships in prett dire straits.
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Bad news... David Carradine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Carradine) has died.
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I just saw that, sad news. He wasn't that old, I don't think.
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My sister said the autopsy was inconclusive. Must have been the five point palm exploding heart technique.
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Someone finally took the pebble from his hand.
-Lego
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Grass grows, birds fly, sun shines, and brother: I'm a jerk.
Glee! (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MemeticMutation)
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Someone finally took the pebble from his hand.
-Lego
You've been on quite the humor roll this week. Good one. ;)
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Someone finally took the pebble from his hand.
-Lego
I don't get it.
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Someone finally took the pebble from his hand.
-Lego
I don't get it.
You must listen and learn Grasshopper.
-Master Lego
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kung_Fu_(TV_series)
Master Kan: Quickly as you can, snatch the pebble from my hand.
[Young Caine tries to do so and fails]
Master Kan: When you can take the pebble from my hand, it will be time for you to leave.
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Fun fact: He was found dead, butt naked but for a yellow cloth tied around his neck to a metal bar, inside a closet in a hotel in Bangkok, Thailand. Sitting position, oddly.
I must admit, it'll be a fun story for the maid who found him like that to tell to get free drinks.
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Your idea of a fun fact is vastly different from mine.
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Fun fact: He was found dead, butt naked but for a yellow cloth tied around his neck to a metal bar, inside a closet in a hotel in Bangkok, Thailand. Sitting position, oddly.
I must admit, it'll be a fun story for the maid who found him like that to tell to get free drinks.
And they're now saying it's an accident.
Hey Inkling, maybe you should make a 'help me buy a new car' thread.
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An accident of what? I've heard it was a sex game that went wrong, and I frankly believe it, even with the police suggesting it was a suicide.
And, yes, Inkling, our ideas are apparently different. I'm going to go back to giggling like an Anon watching a train crash.
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Let's get to it, SBD.
Axel, I was giving you the benifit of the doubt that that was sarcasm. You pretty much disgust me now.
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An accident of what? I've heard it was a sex game that went wrong, and I frankly believe it, even with the police suggesting it was a suicide.
Could be Erotic asphyxiation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erotic_asphyxiation) gone wrong.
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It seems kinda wrong to call it that. Just reading it makes it seemed like he suffocated in a sexy way. Plus, he was a 72 year old man now that's creepy to think about. So remember kids not only does masterbation make you blind it also kills.
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I don't think it is so much the masterbation as the asphyxiation.
Edit: I saw something in the news today that made me cry inside a little bit, and lose all faith in the British public.
The BBC were interviewing members of the public about the recent local elections, and one of them was explaining how she had not voted, as an act of defiance to the MP expenses issue (though not in as many words, she definitely had a tad of inbred about her...)
It seems she is mixing up the local elections, electing local councillors (who have no second home allowance, you know, being local councillors, who don't go to parliament because they're local,) with the general elections, electing MPs or Members of Parliament. She was complaining about the MPs but not voting for the councillors.
Saying that, I'm glad she didn't vote. Anybody that spectacularly stupid doesn't deserve to...
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Yeah, one of the major flaws in democracy is the abundance of stupid people.
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How about as well as letting people vote people for the government, we let people vote people out?
"The country has spoken. You have to leave. Don't let the door slam on your way out."
That way, all the stupid voters would get voted out by the smart voters, leaving only smart voters.
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That's already a feature in several government systems, it's known as a Recall (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recall_election).
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Or does Grangan mean people voting to take away other people's voting rights? If that's the case, it's probably a terrible idea and has a snowball's chance in hell of ever being put into law.
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How about as well as letting people vote people for the government, we let people vote people out?
"The country has spoken. You have to leave. Don't let the door slam on your way out."
That way, all the stupid voters would get voted out by the smart voters, leaving only smart voters.
That was what the third ship was for in the Hitchhikers Series.
-Lego
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But didn't every one suddenly die from a case of telephone germs?
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How about as well as letting people vote people for the government, we let people vote people out?
"The country has spoken. You have to leave. Don't let the door slam on your way out."
That way, all the stupid voters would get voted out by the smart voters, leaving only smart voters.
Votes of no confidence on already elected politicians, yes.
Votes of extradition and deportation on voting civilians, good grief NO. That's so abusable it's horrifying to think about.
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I remember a Discworld quote about Samuel Vimes, who said that he rather liked the idea of democracy, until he realized it meant everyone else got a vote too, and, after interacting with people like those serving under him in the guards... Well, let's just say that Democratic One Man, One Vote system looked less appealing when compared to Vetinari's One Man, One Vote system (He's the man, he has the vote).
Axel, I was giving you the benifit of the doubt that that was sarcasm. You pretty much disgust me now.
I'm just doing that now? My goodness, I'm behind the curve with you, aren't I? Schadenfreude, get with it!
Could be Erotic asphyxiation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erotic_asphyxiation) gone wrong.
That's actually one of the possibilities I considered.
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I don't think I can say anything that will lighten the situation. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8086690.stm)
If they exist, the gods are heartless, heartless bastards.
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Oh my... That is a tragedy. I mean, I'd normally make a sarcastic comment or something to lighten the mood but even making a joke about Dead Baby Comedy doesn't do much for it.
I hope those that died suffered as little as possible...
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First of all, I want to say that this is a terrible, horrible tragedy, but I wanted to address something.
If they exist, the gods are heartless, heartless bastards.
Don't blame the gods, blame the idiots responsible for building a daycare next to a tire depot that also had other flammable materials, apparently.
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Exactly, besides, God doesn't exist anyway. Speaking of horrible accidents, they're finding more bodies from that Air France flight.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090607/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/brazil_plane
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Says you. But let's stick to the topic at hand, mkay?
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Does anybody know why the Air France plane crashed?
P.S.We don't need another Religion thread. Please, [Insert deity here], no.
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Please, [Insert deity here], no.
Polytheists would find that offensive. :P
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I remember a Discworld quote about Samuel Vimes, who said that he rather liked the idea of democracy, until he realized it meant everyone else got a vote too, and, after interacting with people like those serving under him in the guards... Well, let's just say that Democratic One Man, One Vote system looked less appealing when compared to Vetinari's One Man, One Vote system (He's the man, he has the vote).
Still, Vetinari's enlightened despotism is still infinitely preferable to the old Monarchy Ankh Morpork had before that >_>
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Ed McMahon has died! (http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2009/06/23/ap6575540.html)
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Who?
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He was Johnny Carson's sidekick on the Tonight Show. One of my regrets is that I was too little to remember anything from that incarnation of the show.
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Yeah, that's a shame about Ed. At least he won't be so broke he has to do cash4gold commercials anymore.
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It happens in threes.
Unfortunately Farrah Fawcett has died (http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20240288,00.html) after dealing with cancer for a couple years now.
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Welll not to show up Mrs. Fawcett but... I find this kinda sad... (http://movies.yahoo.com/news/movies.ap.org/jivetalking-twin-transformers-raise-race-issues-ap)
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One sec, let me get my translator...
(http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/2823/ispeakjive.jpg)
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Argh! Michael Jackson went into cardiac arrest this afternoon and is in the hospital!
Don't you dare do it, God... I'll knife you I will!
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He's dead!
Wow.
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Cardiac arrest doesn't mean he's dead, AW.
Unless you have more recent information than CNN.
I thought that whole bad things happening in threes thing was a southern saying, pat. I guess not.
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well, actually I just saw on the news he was reported dead.
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Well, his pulse is gone and he isn't breathing. I'm pretty sure that by this point he could be considered "Dead".
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http://www.wsaz.com/news/headlines/49119762.html
http://cityfile.com/dailyfile/6334
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/world/michael-jackson-dead-20090626-cyjb.html
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/06/26/2609021.htm?section=entertainment
Seems to all be sprouting out of a celebrity gossip website, TMZ, at the moment. Wait for it!
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One sec, let me get my translator...
[image]
"Excuse me ma'am, I speak jive."
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One sec, let me get my translator...
[image]
"Excuse me ma'am, I speak jive."
Wait... what?
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Things probably won't be clear on Michael Jackson for a while. I guess he's kind of like Shrodenberg's cat (sp) right now.
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CNN says he's dead.
:/
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EEE HEE!
SHAMON!
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One sec, let me get my translator...
[image]
"Excuse me ma'am, I speak jive."
Wait... what?
Cut me some slack jack!
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Don't bust his nuts just 'cause he is janking ebonics.
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MICHAEL JACKSON IS DEAD!!!! :o :o
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE55O6AK20090626
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I guess you can say, he finally beat it.
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I guess you can say, he finally beat it.
Is that like a txt message going around. I was at Ultimate Frisbee today and a bunch of people said that.
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That really was a "Holy ****!" moment to me. Celebrities are dropping like flies these days.
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The Oscar list is going to be crowded. I got 5 internet dollars that Lindsay Lohan drops next. Strangled by her girl friend.
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Farrah Fawcett and Ed McMahon died recently too.
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Farrah Fawcett and Ed McMahon died recently too.
Exactly!
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This is all a plot by the Iranians to distract the world from the election.
-Lego
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The Oscar list is going to be crowded. I got 5 internet dollars that Lindsay Lohan drops next. Strangled by her girl friend.
Her girlfriend must be really holding a grudge seeing I heard they broke up ages ago. Or does LiLO have a brand new girlfriend I havent heard about yet?
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I just heard about it. whoa..
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This is all a plot by the Iranians to distract the world from the election.
-Lego
Hah! We were discussing that very same thing at dinner tonight.
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http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5g1nZK93ZY9PBxCRxYjn6ZdiYrHfg. Well that article suggests otherwise. Also, I did not know anything I just googled it now to see when it happened and that article is number 1.
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They are supposedly back together as of... I think yesterday or today. Yeah, I keep up with this stuff, shoot me.
PLEASE!!!!!!
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Ok how bout I shoot you in the Knee caps then let you crawl around for a while. If you did not die from bleeding to death, I will unload a clip into your stomach to make sure you have died a painful death.
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I just watched my local news in NYC and for 1 hour there were exactly two stories reported. Michael Jackson and Farrah Fawcett. Wow.
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This is ridiculous. 2 people of little global importance get all the media attention yet freaking Iran and North Korea, two very real, large, and world threatening issues are pushed into the corner because *gasp* two people died.
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Funny world, eh.
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The mainstream news is hilariously retarded. They would rather report on the death of Micheal Jackson, even if North Korea nuked South Korea at the same time.
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Their cultural significance is something that matters. People have a more personal connection with them and that is why it's so important. We may not have been around in their heyday but you should try to understand the impact they've had on people's lives.
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Yeah, I may not jump on the bandwagon of "OMG MICHAEL JACKSON DIED ZOMG:!!:@!"@!?@!!@#!@?"
But still, you have to admit, a lot of western culture was influenced by his work.
And, there is the fact, that he was a human. Individual. People respond more to an actual PERSON dying, rather then an abstract nation declaring war.
I think the quote goes something like "One death is a tragedy. A thousand is a statistic."
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It is really sad that such an iconic image died just around the time he was set to make a comeback. Though the only celebrity I was truly sad about dying was Mr.Rogers.
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Michael Jackson has shed his hideous surgically-altered earthly form, and is no longer bound to the material world. Jackson has ascended to the realm of the Music Gods. The King of Pop, the King of Rock, and the King of Jazz shall all finally jam together in heaven.
Forever.
(http://groupieblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/michael-jackson.jpg)
(http://hiram7.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/elvis-presley-last-farewell.jpg)
(http://www.cinecon.com/frontimages/1757-louisarmstrong.jpg)
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Hey Z, that's the best thing I've ever seen you submit to this forum.
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Really?
Reading it again, it doesn't look very coherent to me.
But thanks.
... I think.
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I would actually think it a little heartless if the media didn't cover his death. I mean, it's not like they're not going to get back to the Iran/N. Korea issue in a matter of 1 day.
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*knifes God*
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Wait, what?
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Give it week and everyone will have forgotten about it.
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Doctor Z somehow left Frank Sinatra off that little list.
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I disagree with Omegas list.
King of Rock should be Jimi Hendrix.
King of Pop should be David Bowie.
I don't listen to Jazz.
And Queen of Soul should be included to, Nina Simone.
Anyway;
(http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/3603/michaeljackson9735018.jpg)
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Hahaha. I was waiting for that one :P
I think everyone has come up with that joke.
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My mum sent me a txt saying that found him blowing bubbles and the monkey is now in a stable condition.
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Dude, what kind of mums do you have in Australia?
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Only the best.
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Yeah, a lot of people are like that over here.
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Doctor Z somehow left Frank Sinatra off that little list.
Wait, what?
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(http://antiheroescomic.com/comics/issue22.png)
(http://antiheroescomic.com/comics/issue23.png)
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Please tell me that's not a comic of what I think it is.
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Umm... That's not a comic of what you think it is... :P
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It's good to know that it's not a comic of what I think it is.
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It's yesterday! ;D
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Err, okay?
So today is yesterday?
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nope. Yesterday is Yesterday, and Today is Today!
EDIT: Cause of Death Confirmed:
http://www.spike.com/blog/michael-jackson/82850
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Wow, he looks like a plastic puppet
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just read this
SHELBYVILLE, Tenn. – Authorities said a couple got into a fight using Cheetos. The Bedford County Sheriff's Department said a 40-year-old man and 44-year-old woman became involved in a 'verbal altercation.' Somehow, the orange puffy snacks were used in the assault.
what is the world coming to when a man and a woman cant eat Cheetos without assaulting each other?
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(http://posterous.com/getfile/files.posterous.com/functionverb/DNpjVkQTbiLRLlzC6QgqPHS7OYdbJ9602XU7dpY0dwKVCXnF7QkEnTwjYTiA/famous.png)
And this is pretty much what went down.
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And yet, somehow his death dominated my news/political TV shows for about TWO DAYS! I don't give a flying, flipping **** about Michael Jackson enough to sit through Thursdays 7+ Hours of "Breaking News", and then another 5 or so hours coverage on Friday. *sigh*
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You should watch TV less.
The internet's where it's at anyway :P
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I watch TV less than an hour a day or two. >.>
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*some comic with Michael Jackson.*
What was the aim of this comic, humor?
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Some bad news...Billy Mays has died. (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,529328,00.html)
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I feel extremely sad.... :(
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What the hell. It isn't over?
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http://wcco.com/national/billy.mays.obit.2.1063065.html
Billy Mays is dead. KABOOM!!
-Lego
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(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm225/SkywardDescent/slowpoke.gif)
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Poor Billy Mays. :( May he be remembered well!
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Famous people are beginning to die one by one.
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GET IN THE GRAVE :(
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Damn, why so many people dying before their time?
50 years old? That's too young...
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Famous people are beginning to die one by one.
Phew, good thing I'm not famous.
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Man... I'm actually sad about Billy Mays dieing... I loved him in Pitchmen on Discovery he was fun on it...
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"All of a sudden as we hit you know it was just the hardest hit, all the things from the ceiling started dropping," MyFox Tampa Bay quoted him as saying. "It hit me on the head, but I got a hard head."
So he died from something hitting him on the head....that's why you always wear a helmet ;)
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What the hell. It isn't over?
it comes in threes. Michael Jackson started a new cycle. Michael Jackson killed Billy Mays and I am never going to forgive him :'(
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You people are odd. :-\
Yes, it's sad that someone died, but people die everyday. Billy Mays was annoying. I'm not saying I'm glad he's dead. I just really don't care.
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Maybe it's the Reckoning... but only for celebrities? I just hope we aren't left with just Paris Hilton and people like that.
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Who wants to bet who's next?
My money is on Robin Williams.
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500 on shatner
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I'm guessing Nimoy.
On the basis that the last two who kicked the bucket had appointments coming up. Jackson with his tour, and Mays with his hip replacement.
Nimoy has those two new Star Trek movies.
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Yeah but there will be some time between now and the next trek flicks there will be just as big names with things coming up sooner.
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Silly Z. Nimoy is still young for a Vulcan. He's got at least another hundred years in him.
I hope Shatner dies >_>
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He did, they dropped a bridge on him. Oh wait then he had all those novels where he keeps coming back to life. Have they made those canon yet?
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Who wants to bet who's next?
I hope it's not Sean Connery.
Or me.
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(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm225/SkywardDescent/slowpoke.gif)
(http://www.vgcats.com/super/images/090629.gif) (http://www.vgcats.com/super/)
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WRONG GUY!!!
*points* THIS GUY!
(http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt154/cenas/Michael%20Jackson/MJ.png)
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*Facepalm* You don't quite get the whole Slowpoke thing, do you Sagan?
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...sigh.
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Ants have taken over the world. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/earth/hi/earth_news/newsid_8127000/8127519.stm)
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Gamers in China may have to get real jobs...
http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/07/01/china.virtual.currency/index.html
Death of the Gold Farmer.
-Lego
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Damn, why so many people dying before their time?
50 years old? That's too young...
Indeed it is.
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Ants have taken over the world. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/earth/hi/earth_news/newsid_8127000/8127519.stm)
One thing is for certain: there is no stopping them; the ants will soon be here. And I for one welcome our new insect overlords. I'd like to remind them that as a trusted TV personality, I can be helpful in rounding up others to toil in their underground sugar caves.
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d34/Cobra9474/kent_brockman.gif)
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Karl Malden (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Malden#Death) has died.
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Just a day late. We could have had many more in June.
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When's Britney Spears going to kick the bucket?
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Karl Malden (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Malden#Death) has died.
He was murdered in Portland, ME?!? that's close to where I live! :o
Being dead at age 97 made me first think that he died of old age! But NoooOOOOOoo... ::)
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When's Britney Spears going to kick the bucket?
Probably not for a while, she's gotten her life back together.
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I see.
Lindsey Lohan?
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That's more like it! ;)
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More evidence:
Robot Identifies Human Flesh As Bacon (http://www.wired.com/table_of_malcontents/2006/11/robot_identifie/)
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I for one, welcome our robotic overlords.
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I for one do not welcome them. Its time to Terminate them.
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I would have been more worried if it said "Human flesh" actually...
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Bacon? Prosciutto?
"The robot looked from man to pig, from pig to man, and from man to pig again, and found that it could not tell the difference..."
-- George Orwell (Corrupted) :P
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Burger King ad outrages Hindus (http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/national_world&id=6904129)
The ad shows the Hindu goddess of wealth, Lakshmi, atop a burger, with the caption reading "A snack that's sacred."
Most Hindus are vegetarian.
Way to go.
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Freedom of speech brah. :P
But I dunno, don't hindus realise that in the Christian culture, finding deities in food is a long standing and sacred tradition?
Remember the million dollar grilled cheese sandwich with Christ in it?
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Man dies after falling into vat of chocolate (http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/09/new.jersey.chocolate.death/index.html)
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Everyone check your chocolate bars for the golden tooth filling.
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Hey kids new chocolate bars with caramel and new Oompa-Loompa nougat.
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Man dies after falling into vat of chocolate (http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/09/new.jersey.chocolate.death/index.html)
That's how I want to go.
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Man dies after falling into vat of chocolate (http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/09/new.jersey.chocolate.death/index.html)
That's how I want to go.
By falling from nine feet into a hot liquid and hitting your head on metal?
I'd rather laugh myself to death :)
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Naked Swedish swimsuit model avalanche is how I want to go.
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Naked Swedish swimsuit model avalanche is how I want to go.
Ooh! Can I change my vote?
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Man dies after falling into vat of chocolate (http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/09/new.jersey.chocolate.death/index.html)
It has to be said: Death by chocolate.
...Sorry
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Yeah, if you count Hershey's as "chocolate."
I certainly don't.
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I do, but it depends on the type. Hershey Milk Chocolate bars are delicious. They've a wonderful flavour yet the texture of wax which, frankly, is a plus in my book, as odd as it sounds.
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Have we had this discussion before? Mega deja vu.
From what I've heard, the old Hershey's Chocolate was better; however, there's absolutely nothing wrong with the current formula. Hershey Park is also fantastic. Seriously, it's like Disney World without the lines. Plus the chocolate factory is right there and the whole town smells like delicious candy. If you ever get the chance to go there don't give it a second though, do it!
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Walter Cronkite is dead... :-\
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_obit_walter_cronkite
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There's no point for that? It's already been stated in the off topic topic.
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I'm sorry, what was that, you said you wear a pointy hat?
Brandon told him to redirect it here, because this is the place where it should've been in the first place. Andrew was just following the orders he was given. Obviously if you disagree, you should take it up to Brandon or ask a mod about it. But this is such a trivial issue that I suppose the mods might not bother with it.
You might also want to note that it was Andrew Ryan himself who posted this in the off topic topic, so it might be safe to assume that he knows this already. The way you phrased that last sentence makes no sense because it implies that Andrew doesn't know it was already posted. In the case that you added that sentence just to inform others that this has already been posted, I will tell you this is completely pointless. The fact that it's been stated somewhere else should be obvious to anyone who looks at Andrew's post, seeing that the whole post is a quote.
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http://www.constitutionparty.com/
Extreme right-wing third party :'(
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I hope they never get any support. They seem to think that the government is there to enforce God's will.
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So just the existance of this party has you down? Groups like this in the United States are always made up of the most diehard supporters because the more rational ones know that third parties aren't going to get anything done and try to sway the republicans or democrats.
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Well, if you are a Chinese gamer you have the blues...
http://tech.yahoo.com/news/pcworld/20090720/tc_pcworld/worldofwarcraftawaitschinasapprovaltorelaunch
-Lego
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A chinese WOW gamer, I doubt every single gamer in china has a wow acount
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They be gold farmers. Scourge of the wow economy driving item prices down....
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I guess they'll only be farming rice nowadays.
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I guess they'll only be farming rice nowadays.
*Ba-dum-dum-tsh*
(<.<) (>.>)
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Actually China has made it illegal to trade real money or goods for 'virtual currency', so gold-farmers be in looking at prison time. Note the bit in the article that says the Lich King expansion isn't released in CHina yet... of 11.5 million players, 5 million have been off the air for six weeks. That has to hurt the bottom line.
-Lego
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Scandal! (http://gizmodo.com/5321309/death-by-iphone-apple-and-chinas-cultural-time-bomb)
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Apple and Chinese employers/security are evil? This is a surprise to you? I've known for years, man. You just gotta open your eyes and believe.
P.S. Steve Jobs is the spawn of Satan. Probably.
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New health care act may destroy health insurance. :-[
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Yay!!! The new health care act my destroy the old, corrupt, and inefficient, American HMO!!! :D
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...what's good about that? ANY improvements? It would force you to ask the government's permission to see a doctor! Obama's destroying America's health! YOU CALL THAT FUNNY!?! If you think THIS is great, YOU'RE NO BETTER THAN NIXON!! >:( >:(
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...what's good about that? ANY improvements? It would force you to ask the government's permission to see a doctor! Obama's destroying America's health! YOU CALL THAT FUNNY!?! If you think THIS is great, YOU'RE NO BETTER THAN NIXON!! >:( >:(
Ooooh. Spooky government. Gonna rape our churches and destroy our women.
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Yannick, Sagan's going into conspiracy mode again...
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*Sigh*...
I'll go get the leash.
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Yannick, Sagan's critizizing the health care act again...
better. good thing I am too.
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Sagan, please try to have some idea of what you're talking about before you start posting about it.
I'm not neccessarily a fan of the planned healthcare reform, but you aren't going to have to see a government official before you see a doctor. No one, not even the strongest ads I've seen against reform plans, say that. When they say the plan will 'put a bureaucrat between you and your doctor' they mean there might be oversight over what tests and procedures the government plan will pay for. Not that you have to fill out a form with a government employee before you can get in to see a doctor.
A rule of thumb when it comes to any issue in the government: Don't base your opinions on the commercials.
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I like living in New York, or maybe it's just Rochester, but we never get political ads.
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Sagan, please try to have some idea of what you're talking about before you start posting about it.
I'm not neccessarily a fan of the planned healthcare reform, but you aren't going to have to see a government official before you see a doctor. No one, not even the strongest ads I've seen against reform plans, say that. When they say the plan will 'put a bureaucrat between you and your doctor' they mean there might be oversight over what tests and procedures the government plan will pay for. Not that you have to fill out a form with a government employee before you can get in to see a doctor.
A rule of thumb when it comes to any issue in the government: Don't base your opinions on the commercials.
Oh. The west must be exaggerating the cons to make Obama look like nixon. Damn non-liberals.
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Why can't we get free health care? Damn country, being poor and stuff...
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We get free healthcare the day all medical professionals decide to work for free, or the day taxes double. Don't expect either to happen soon.
And Sagan, 'The West?' No, it's groups opposed to reform for numerous reasons. And you just flipped from hating Obama to hating everyone against Obama in under an hour. Like I said before, try to get some idea of what you're talking about.
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OK, I'll settle for cheaper health care. Pres. Obama, make it so.
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This discussion cannot continue unless the mean number of college credits (toward a bachelor's degree) possessed by all of the people involved is at least 60.
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This discussion cannot continue unless the mean number of college credits (toward a bachelor's degree) possessed by all of the people involved is at least 60.
*scuttles out of the room*
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This discussion cannot continue unless the mean number of college credits (toward a bachelor's degree) possessed by all of the people involved is at least 60.
I have no college credits. Stop limiting me because of my age! *waves fist angrily*
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Alright... I'll limit you on your previous comments instead. :P
*points to the door*
Out!
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Never! I'll be back tomorrow!
*Swings out of the room on an inexplicably well placed rope*
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This discussion cannot continue unless the mean number of college credits (toward a bachelor's degree) possessed by all of the people involved is at least 60.
Who does half a year and then drops out?
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I get about 15 credits a semester, I don't see how 60 would constitute half a year...
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Obviously, you are using a crazy system.
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http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2009/07/24/hispanics.keep.out.WFAA
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Everybody but kids and nazis have the freedom of speech in the USA.
Also, if tons of health insurance is lost, I'll say this poem:
Godamn America
Land that I hate
Stand against her
and blind her
From the light to the darkness of hell
From the mountians (devoid of snow)
To the praries (over-farmed)
To the Oceans
White and foam (earth's dirty sewer)
Godamn America!
My no man's land!
Invented that a few months earlier.
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How witty. /sarcasm
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Everybody but kids and nazis have the freedom of speech in the USA.
Also, if tons of health insurance is lost, I'll say this poem:
Godamn America
Land that I hate
Stand against her
and blind her
From the light to the darkness of hell
From the mountians (devoid of snow)
To the praries (over-farmed)
To the Oceans
White and foam (earth's dirty sewer)
Godamn America!
My no man's land!
Invented that a few months earlier.
I'm pretty sure both kids and Nazis get freedom of speech, actually.
P.S. White and foam? Isn't it white with foam?
How witty. /sarcasm
High five!
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Godamn America
Land that I hate
Stand against her
and blind her
From the light to the darkness of hell
From the mountians (devoid of snow)
To the praries (over-farmed)
To the Oceans
White and foam (earth's dirty sewer)
Godamn America!
My no man's land!
You unpatriotic SOB...
I hope your proud of yourself, you traitor. >:(
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I love britain more than the U.S now that Obama's becoming unpopular.
P.S: I said if.
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Why do you love Britain more than the U.S? Aren't they faring worse than the U.S. at this point?
Oh, and 57% is still higher than 30%.
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I like it's form of government much better than the U.S'. It's faring worse only because the U.K's smaller and all.
Wasn't it like 49% this morning?
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Size has nothing to do with it. Population density, however, is a large factor. America is spread out more, in the U.K., you usually live with a wall touching someone else's house. It's harder to get a job if you live around a bunch of people who are also trying to get that same job. In America, due to being more spread out, there is less competition, except in the cities, etc.
I'm not sure how you see the Constitutional 'Monarchy'(Which it definitely isn't anymore, since the monarch is nothing more than a figurehead.) as being better. A three branch system does well enough.
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It was only high in the beginning because a lot of Republicans were tired of the same old thing, which they were told McCain basically was. So they approved of Obama.
But now that the hypes died down, they're switching back to their old politics.
So basically, Obama's got most, if not all, the Democrat party behind him.
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Ha, Obama is becoming unpopular, so you prefer a country where there is near universal hatred of our PM in the media?
Anyway, I'm sure he was talking about our system of government and Parliament, Razon, not our monarch.
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A President becoming unpopular? My, that never happens. It's as if people grow disillusioned with politicians when they don't miraculously fix everything with a wave of their magic wand.
That, and people seem to be getting more and more upset with the whole public health bit. The US version is pretty dark stuff...
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How not to advertise on the Internet. (http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/001286.html)
Yes, I have seen that last one and no, it's not a joke.
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I noticed this morning on Penny Arcade's site, there's a Plants vs. Zombies ad that has a zombie princess saying "Play now, my lord".
I laughed.
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That. Is. Awesome.
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Another reason for all of us computer nerds to be glad we don't live in China:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8185412.stm
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0_o
We need more smileys, like the ones TWC has.
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I heartily disagree.
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I'm glad I don't live in china. :'D
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*ahem* "Run for your lives, Chinese Gamers!" :o
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Oh china, you never cease with your crazy antics :D
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Oh china, you never cease with your crazy antics :D
Edited for Chinese audiences by the Bejing Accuracy In Media Department.
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So John Hughes died...
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I know it was in every movie from that era, but still...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqhcE4aZMLQ
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And of course there's:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYDCFvWy5vQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDe5Ckt4joQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Q7FFjUpVLg
This is actually a very sad passing. His movies had such a great style to them.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xG2DDAA0U8c
I would have posted this sooner but I had to actually make a video out of it then upload it to youtube. Then I had to do the grocery shopping and have dinner watch the end of the Get Smart movie (which wasn't too bad) Also fix my computers spelling of You (I sware to you I spelt it correctly when I typed it in but it keeps dropping the U when I try to publish).
Any way enjoy.
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To continue my trend of name + died posts:
Les Paul died.
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We're going to keep seeing this trend, I think. All the people who were famous around the times that the Baby Boomers were growing up are getting quite old now. Let the body count rise!
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Haha, rape. (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,549323,00.html)
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That just can't be real.
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What the hell?! Dear god she is sick in the head!
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Yet when I post something like that or joke about rape I'm a sick bastard.
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What the hell?! Dear god she is sick in the head!
Grazony, don't you see? This incident proves there IS NO GOD.
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That is just unfathomable really. I've heard of dad's raping their kids, but this is just....
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That is just unfathomable really. I've heard of dad's raping their kids, but this is just....
Right, dads inserting their penises into their offspring isn't nearly as bad as a mom having their vaginas inserted by their offspring
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What the hell?! Dear god she is sick in the head!
Grazony, don't you see? This incident proves there IS NO GOD.
No! You're lying thats impossible!
....... Did anyone else just get a flashback of Darth Vader's scene I am your father?
Anyway, thats just wrong. Wait, did she tell him that she was his true mother while raping him?
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Yet when I post something like that or joke about rape I'm a sick bastard.
Shut up, you sick bastard.
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Anyway, thats just wrong. Wait, did she tell him that she was his true mother while raping him?
I can only imagine.
Kid: Oh wow I'm being deflowered by a grown woman!
Mother: By the way I'm your mother
Kid: OH GOD NO
EDIT: That's where it becomes rape if you were wondering.
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Yeah thats pretty much how I imagined it. :/
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I read this story yesterday it says they aren't mentioning if the boy new she was his mother or not. It also doesn't say the age of the boy but he was probably still underage anyway making it statutory rape.
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it says she gave him up for adoption ten years ago, so that makes him at least ten also sick b**** D:<
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It'll be a long time, probably, before a sentence is reached in this but, if they have undeniable proof of what she did, she needs to go to jail for a long time. I know of at least two cases of adult women having sex with 15 years old (or so) boys, both were students of theirs, both women being teachers, and they got a few months as a sentence and not the years men would get for the same situation.
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That's because the boys probably are getting high-fived for banging the hot teacher.
Why are the female pedophiles usually the hot chicks? Also, thus crazy.
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Why are the female pedophiles usually the hot chicks? Also, thus crazy.
*mumbles something about vanity and forbidden fruit, walks away*
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Swayzee. :'(
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Swayzee. :'(
Wha?
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Patrick Swayze. He be dead, mon.
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NOOOOOO!
:'( :'(
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D:>
SWAYZEE!!! NO!!
:'(
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Lots of actors dieing recently. The past year or so has been like Hollywood is dying of cancer...
Just like Swayze! ;D
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Umm, and that gets a smiley why, exactly?
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I imagine he's quite happy about it.
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Evil monster.
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It's called dark humour.
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(http://imgkk.com/i/XiPuUJ.jpg)
Kanye you silly goose
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Ok listen to this. Right now germanys youth is going downhill...
Last sunday two kids 16, and 17, beat a fifty year old to death because he protected some twelveyear olds from them... They wanted to steal money from them or something. Normally people in germany look away when stuff like that happens, he did right and was killed for it. Now these kids will have one year of social work and will be free. They killed someone, and they dont realize what they did.
On a different note, in darmstadt, which is in hessen, a state of germany, there was an ongoing honor war of two families. Many people died, and a father was killed, his son, who was nine at the time, began to work out, as he believes that he will soon be ordered to return the honorary killing. So this kid started to build a gang, buffed up. He was caught robbing gasstations with other kids, they all had gaspistols, but people didnt know that so they feared for life. His sister in the courtroom was only laughing when the kid described what he did. I know this from first hand, a girl who works there for her studies (social work) told me today.
I can go deeper on this if anyones interested. It sickens me, i want them all to be locked up for life (and i am more of a chillin liberal type as you might have noticed), but i also want the reasons why kids become that way to be abolished, which is difficult...
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Holy crap! Why do they do that? We've ruled out video games, Germany being strict on them and such, so why? Are some people still mired in medieval concepts of family honor? That's just... I don't even know.
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No its actually turkish immigrant families...
Intigration is inadequate in this country, which is partially due to stubbornness of the immigrants, but also a lack of proper means to actually adjust these people. The problem is in the sixties many turkish families came to germany, which is a reason why germany became so big again (there were jugoslavian and italian and other immigrants as well). Many of those families remained poor, and already came of an uneducated background, the children these days, which are already third generation speak a mixlanguage of german and turkish, they usually dont speak both languages to an extend that they could actually argue well... These kids, who see their poor mothers working as cleaning ladies, who have harsh brutal fathers who speak low of human life (this is not racism, i know quite a few rather intellectual turks who can behave and are always a challenge to discuss with) go into everyday life with a huge grudge, they team up with likes and look for trouble with anyone who looks at them wrong. I had never troubles with any of them, i seem to get along with turks and arabic people well, but i have some friends who were beaten up more than once by groups like these. Because they are not educated enough (theyre not stupid but uneducated due to a school system which basically roots out elites from an early age) they beat.
Oh yea to clear it up german school system looks like this:
Elementary 1st grade - 4th grade, then the parents decide where to send their children (this is a recent development before that schools would decide where youd go
there is the Hauptschule from 5th-10th grade which is really low level of education, many immigrants get sent there not because theyre incapable of understanding complexities, but because they dont know the german language well.
There is the realschule also from 5th-10th grade, but the transmission, if you finished tenth allows you to go to the gymnasiums, but not too many do this
Gymnasiums - 5th-13th here students learn rather difficult subjects, the level of education is really high, and expectations too, but teachers are not always quite what they should be... (teachers cant be fired in germany because theyre officials of the state with a special status)
This system makes it difficult for students of the hauptschule or realschule to change to a higher school as theyd need high grades and theyd still be behind gymnasium, because theyre not taught as complex problems in their schools.
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Kanye you silly goose
... Win.
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Wait, are you from/living in Germany, Detox?
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Why would they separate out kids based on grades? Is it really that hard to attempt to accommodate everyone at the same level of education? It doesn't make sense. I mean, it's almost Orwellian in nature, creating built in social classes based on education. Who would send there kids to the lowest level of education? Do the teachers even help the kids who're struggling? Surely, there can't be anyone who thinks this is a good idea, right? I... wow. Germany's education system seems pretty f-ed up.
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It's my understanding that it's a fairly common structure for countries other than the US. US schools have advanced courses, but the students are all still together. I think a part of why US test scores are so bad in comparison to other countries is because we send everyone through basically the same system, while other countries dump the lowest percentiles in remedial schools from fifth grade on.
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It's my understanding that it's a fairly common structure for countries other than the US. US schools have advanced courses, but the students are all still together. I think a part of why US test scores are so bad in comparison to other countries is because we send everyone through basically the same system, while other countries dump the lowest percentiles in remedial schools from fifth grade on.
So we do poorly on standardized tests because we aren't total education naz... I mean... Well, you get the idea.
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Wait, are you from/living in Germany, Detox?
What did you think where i am from?
Yes i am german and i live there...
@ cow:
Well actually it has become bad in recent years, id say the last 15 years, before that you could actually be someone even if you just graduated from the lowest school, like become an apprentice of any trade or such. Nowadays, even if you want to become a carpenter you need to graduate from the highest class school...
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A child was suspended from school based on his religious beliefs. (http://www.metro.co.uk/weird/article.html?in_article_id=43272&in_page_id=2)
Honestly, I smirked hard when I read this. I love Pastafarianism, I really do. Why, after all, can a Muslim wear a hijab but a Pastafarian can't wear a pirate outfit?
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Pirates... pillage things while looking ridiculous? Actually, that's all the more reason to not suspend him. That kid's got a brilliant sense of humor.
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Are you sure it was a joke?
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A child was suspended from school based on his religious beliefs. (http://www.metro.co.uk/weird/article.html?in_article_id=43272&in_page_id=2)
Honestly, I smirked hard when I read this. I love Pastafarianism, I really do. Why, after all, can a Muslim wear a hijab but a Pastafarian can't wear a pirate outfit?
yes, because I'm sure that, deep down, that kid really, truly believes in the FSM.
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Whether he believes in it or not doesn't matter. A student from a Muslim family can wear Muslim garb even if he's a self-professed atheist, right?
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I love the picture of what a Pastafarian in full religious regalia might look like.
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Makes me think school uniforms aren't really all that bad an idea after all.
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They are a good idea. You know why some kids are bullied? Because of the way they dress. Uniforms limit/eliminate that. Fewer people would pick on the Muslim kid, even though the "pray several times a day" thing might come up.
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Yeah, with uniforms we can get straight to bullying people for the important things like those weird people with no friends who spend all day playing video games alone then going on the internet to talk about them, and then there's those idiots who can't tell sarcasm on forum posts.
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Yeah, with uniforms we can get straight to bullying people for the important things like those weird people with no friends who spend all day playing video games alone then going on the internet to talk about them, and then there's those idiots who can't tell sarcasm on forum posts.
Whoa, buddy! No need for personal attacks. Unless you're being sarcastic? You know, until people start leaving audio logs of their posts, it'll be damn hard to see sarcasm.
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They are a good idea. You know why some kids are bullied? Because of the way they dress. Uniforms limit/eliminate that. Fewer people would pick on the Muslim kid, even though the "pray several times a day" thing might come up.
Yes, because the problem, of course, is individuality being expressed, not the bullies. How dare kids be themselves or show some sign of not being a mindless drone?
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Still, having some sort of dress code is a good idea for middle and high schools. Makes the unruly mob of kids seem a bit classier.
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I for one would love to wear my full pirate regalia!
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They are a good idea. You know why some kids are bullied? Because of the way they dress. Uniforms limit/eliminate that. Fewer people would pick on the Muslim kid, even though the "pray several times a day" thing might come up.
Yes, because the problem, of course, is individuality being expressed, not the bullies. How dare kids be themselves or show some sign of not being a mindless drone?
Hey, whatever helps. You want to diminish the difference in the thing teens care about: Appearance. You would obviously want to stop the bully, too, but they're both helpful. I've worn a uniform at school for my whole school career, and have experienced fewer instances of bullying than is usual for your average public school kid. It works. Why do you think private schools can be (and usually are) a much less vicious environment? Obviously, there's the whole strict set of morals, but I don't think that's the only factor in the equation. Call me old fashioned, but I just think it helps quite well.
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I want to stop the bully. I have both worn, and not worn, uniforms at school and, at college, I'm obviously not in a uniform. I've never experienced bullying in any of them, but I did see students picking on the mentally challenged in the uniformed school.
Bullying is the fault of the bully. Saying that someone who expresses their individuality and gets picked on for it is somehow at fault is like saying... Well, I'll let you do your own obvious extrapolations there.
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hey its mostly a complex predator prey relationship, the bullies pick on the weakest link, who could just grow some balls and do something about it but is too much into wow to care
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Level 15 mage LFG to take on Nelson.
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Oh dear god I shat my pants laughing.
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Or you could ignore the flawed predator prey comparison and hopefully the school will discipline the bully enough to discourage him from such activity.
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^Yea, like destroying the symptom will do anything, of course it would be better if there was no bullies, but just putting them away will give new people the ability to become bullies, so as there will always be bullies, the loners should get a grip of themselves...
Instead of simply bashing bullies, who pop like mushrooms out of the earth as soon as theres space for them, you should educate children at an early age to feel compassion, furthermore you should put bullies as well as the bullied on psychological guidance where they will explore the cause of the evils of the bully as well as the reason why the loser is in his position.
To give a conclusion, theres always two to any problem, so the bully and the bullied take both their faults.
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This. The last sentence, that is. Oh, and it's partially the adult's fault that they don't try to actively search out bullying and help the bully and the bullied person. Probably forgot some commas there.
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As a victim I must say that that is hardly true.
In real life, that is.
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well if youre as cranky in real life as youre here i can see why people might get upset with you
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Bullies physically abuse and verbally abuse someone. They clearly have the physical strength to do this, either themselves or with the assistance of their friends. If they're especially determined, they can really, really make your life hell. In modern schools, zero tolerance policies mean that any physical attempt to fight them will get you punished. You heard me: Defending yourself will get you punished.
So the results are to be expected: The bully can push you as far as they like and torment you and you will have no-one defend you, but they will discipline you if you do something to protect yourself.
Is it any wonder some kids snap and just shoot someone?
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Detox, I think what I say on here. I don't think before saying IRL. Also I really hate this cranky persona everyone has of me. I just try and help newbies not make the same mistakes I have.
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Kenobro is basically right, he's just cranky.
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Kenobro is basically right, he's just cranky.
:) That was funny.
Also, can't link(on wii right now), but there's a BS "internet rehab". Costs 100$ for nothing.
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wow, zero tolerance is bloody stupid...
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wow, zero tolerance is bloody stupid...
Which part? Are you saying we shouldn't try and prevent bullying?
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Bullies physically abuse and verbally abuse someone. They clearly have the physical strength to do this, either themselves or with the assistance of their friends. If they're especially determined, they can really, really make your life hell. In modern schools, zero tolerance policies mean that any physical attempt to fight them will get you punished. You heard me: Defending yourself will get you punished.
So the results are to be expected: The bully can push you as far as they like and torment you and you will have no-one defend you, but they will discipline you if you do something to protect yourself.
Is it any wonder some kids snap and just shoot someone?
Are you implying that we should just encourage children to fight instead of giving teachers the training they need to address bullying?
The only way a physical confrontation ever helps resolve a bullying problem is by bringing it to the attention of the staff, and there are much easier was to do that.
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i say that the kids unable to defend themself have gotten it worse with zero tolerance.
you cant even defend yourself, wow, thats just wonderful
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I haven't been in high school for a few years and my school didn't really have an issue with bullies or fights, but wouldn't a zero tolerance policy mean the bully would also be punished for physical violence or abuse, not just the bully's target? I think you're taking a one-sided view on this.
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yea youre right, but the bully takes far more than physical means to torment the victim, also teachers tend to look away quite often...
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Detox, I think what I say on here. I don't think before saying IRL. Also I really hate this cranky persona everyone has of me. I just try and help newbies not make the same mistakes I have.
Don't mind Detox. Through what I can see of his recent posts I would say he is a casual troll that occasionally partakes in actual discussion, as opposed to baiting.
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Are you implying that we should just encourage children to fight instead of giving teachers the training they need to address bullying?
The only way a physical confrontation ever helps resolve a bullying problem is by bringing it to the attention of the staff, and there are much easier was to do that.
Clearly, Lurk, you've forgotten the tired repetition of the phrase "I didn't see anything". Teachers can't do anything unless they see something happen and rare is the bully stupid enough to do something in plain view of an authority figure.
Besides, the way I figure, the one responsible for initiating the conflict should be the one punished. Self-defense is NOT something you should be punished for, unless you want to raise a person who believes that the only acceptable way of handling their problems is to run to the nearest likely ineffectual authority figure. Topping it off is the fun realization that a bully who knows they'll get in trouble will be a LOT more violent or, better still, they'll know how to intimidate their subject into not fighting back.
Honestly, nothing is better to help bullies than by telling them that they have a blank check to beat someone up and keep them from fighting back.
I haven't been in high school for a few years and my school didn't really have an issue with bullies or fights, but wouldn't a zero tolerance policy mean the bully would also be punished for physical violence or abuse, not just the bully's target? I think you're taking a one-sided view on this.
Well, see above. They can't be punished unless caught and, if they are, it's usually because the person fought back. Besides, extrapolate this to the justice system. Think of what would happen if people got sent to jail for fighting back against criminals (Oh wait! In some places, they do!). Suddenly, a citizen's arrest would get you charged for kidnapping. It's bloody ridiculous any way you paint it.
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A simple solution to all of this would be to leave no witnesses.
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Axel, what you're saying there is that everyone should just immediately resort to vigilante justice instead of going to the proper authorities.
But that makes me confused. Why would Frank Castle pick the name "Axelgear"?
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I do not know who Frank Castle is, nor do I have enough damns to give to bother searching it.
Lurk, you confuse vigilantism with self-defense. There's a large difference between them and, when done right, defending oneself need never even result in violence. If someone tries to hit you, far better that you're able to hit them back and win than running away. If you run away, they get away with it and can continue to do what they like; you have no evidence. Moreover, they might catch you and do worse for running. If you can defend yourself, they'll think twice before they ever do anything in future.
It also helps if you know ways to ensure that they'll never even think of trying to harm you. Personally, I figure if a kid brings a can of mace to school and maces a bully if/when they try to attack them, that'd be awesome but that'd probably get the sprayer expelled. An unrealistic and likely irresponsible solution but one that gives me warm fuzzies.
Vigilantism, on the other hand, would be deliberately targeting bullies and beating them up whenever there is an opportunity to do so, irregardless of their current behaviour.
Honestly, Lurk, sometimes I feel like you're deliberately misinterpreting my statements...
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We could just designate a school Batman, and pay him for remaining uncorrupted. That'd be pretty awesome. As to proof, be around other people who'll vouch for you, or get them to bruise you, and then run away if you're fast enough.
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In case you haven't heard yet, big Roman Polanski scandal, with him apparently raping (and not just in a statuatory sense, either) a 13-year old girl and Hollywood leaping in front of him to defend him. At least two films I'm not seeing because of said debacle.
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I've tried to ignore the case as much as I could. I would like to point out that this all happened 30 years ago and Polanski fled the country and has been in europe ever since. Is it really that hard to extradite such a public figure?
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Yes. Especially for the Swiss.
Why? They've got so many holes in their policing cheese, that's why! <-Warning: This pun is incredibly lame. View at your own peril.
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Well political neutrality brings perks as well as downsides.
@ Urobros, why am i trolling if i pose my opinion? If you want me to troll go for it: H4X()R5 wil kyl thie bullys
all i was saying is that the victims should get a grip of themselves and train karate or something of the like so they can show the bullies theyre no one to mess with. i mean if you go cry about what they done to you theyll surely come back
Edit: Polanski lived in France since 1978, he was prosecuted on september 28 in switzerland, and brought to the united states for this case...
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Well political neutrality brings perks as well as downsides.
@ kenobro, why am i trolling if i pose my opinion? If you want me to troll go for it: H4X()R5 wil kyl thie bullys
all i was saying is that the victims should get a grip of themselves and train karate or something of the like so they can show the bullies theyre no one to mess with. i mean if you go cry about what they done to you theyll surely come back
I wasn't the one that said you were trolling, Uroboros was.
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sorry kenobro, didnt mean to get you into this, i just misread the quotes as i was replying
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why am i trolling if i pose my opinion?
I never said anyone is trolling if they pose an opinion.
I said you might be a troll. Big difference there.
Reasons why I thought you were a casual trollbaiter? :
okay, get drunk with them at a schooltrip, then when you feel the magic and she wants to go to the bathroom you pull her towards you and kiss her. While you kiss her you smoothly take her clothes off and you have unprotected sex. Next day she gets the pill for afterwards and you share the price with her. You keep on drinking with her, and also you share your smokes. Then sooner or later she will be your girlfriend, after some complications of course
hey its mostly a complex predator prey relationship, the bullies pick on the weakest link, who could just grow some balls and do something about it but is too much into wow to care
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Its the worst avatar on here, so i guess its fitting
even with scientific prove of evolution you do not have any prove that god doesnt exist
seeing the guys pictures id think that the people at ea should implement handicapped sims and diseases as well. That would be interesting to see, and add a bit of realism too. People would have to buy medicine or go to the hospital. Also you buy wheelchairs and such... hmm
I haven't seen much of your posts around here, but whenever I see your posts, you seem to have a habit of taking an opinion and saying it in ways just perfect for baiting bad reactions. Given the quotes I just gave, i'm sure you can see why I think that, right? I could just be mistaking it for your sense of humour (and the other little shot at Kenobro), but maybe your avatar should be :
(http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/9106/coolfaceskidi.jpg)
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why am i trolling if i pose my opinion?
I never said anyone is trolling if they pose an opinion.
I said you might be a troll. Big difference there.
Reasons why I thought you were a casual trollbaiter? :
okay, get drunk with them at a schooltrip, then when you feel the magic and she wants to go to the bathroom you pull her towards you and kiss her. While you kiss her you smoothly take her clothes off and you have unprotected sex. Next day she gets the pill for afterwards and you share the price with her. You keep on drinking with her, and also you share your smokes. Then sooner or later she will be your girlfriend, after some complications of course
hey its mostly a complex predator prey relationship, the bullies pick on the weakest link, who could just grow some balls and do something about it but is too much into wow to care
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Its the worst avatar on here, so i guess its fitting
even with scientific prove of evolution you do not have any prove that god doesnt exist
seeing the guys pictures id think that the people at ea should implement handicapped sims and diseases as well. That would be interesting to see, and add a bit of realism too. People would have to buy medicine or go to the hospital. Also you buy wheelchairs and such... hmm
I haven't seen much of your posts around here, but whenever I see your posts, you seem to have a habit of taking an opinion and saying it in ways just perfect for baiting bad reactions. Given the quotes I just gave, i'm sure you can see why I think that, right? I could just be mistaking it for your sense of humour (and the other little shot at Kenobro), but maybe your avatar should be :
(http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/9106/coolfaceskidi.jpg)
okay the first quote is easily explained: it works, trust me...
second quote: Why do you think we are superiour to animals, in the end you see basic instincts fulfilled in those characters. Bullies have f'ed up relationships with their parents or surroundings, and therefore with themselves. Ergo they become complex characters who can only feel good about themselves when they put someone else in more misery than they are.
third quote: My opinion, you cant do s' about it...
fourth: You don't get my freaking point, the theory of evolution does not outdo the possibility of god, never did i state that there is or isn't a god, on second note id like to point out that people should stop taking the bible as a factbook, scientists that research the bible, but also monks, nuns, spiritual people see the bible as a guide, with stories that do not take a clear stance so they make you reflect and think deeply to connect with god.
fifth: I could get why you think im trolling there, but it was not intended to insult anybody, it just popped into my head, so my mind works like a freaking hurricane of thoughts, going chaotically into every direction, deal with it...
with best regards,
Detox I. Cated
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What does any of this have to do with the topic?
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Yeah, let's leave all of those discussions to their respective threads.
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So anyways, do you guys think that Polanski is guilty? And if so or not why do you think so?
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Oh, of course he is. But people want to protect him because he's a celebrity. The fact that he intentionally dodged prosecution several times doesn't help his case, either.
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Of course he's guilty, he was convicted and plead guilty to his charges. I hope he doesn't just get a slap on the wrist like every other celebrity, but then this is a major crime and not some drug charge. Let him sit in prison for a while and see what kind of movie he makes after that.
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Or a book.
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"Shades of Rape: From 13-Somethings to Papa Bubba"
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Roman Polanski does make movies, if you didn't know that. Can't say that I've ever seen one of them, or could name one without looking it up. From what I've gathered he makes movies that are very critically acclaimed, but nobody watches them.
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Especially not now, considering all the people who loved his movies when they first came are probably between 45-55. Not exactly mainstream.
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Where's the beef?
http://wcco.com/watercooler/rotting.meat.tons.2.1226618.html
44 tons of meat left to rot...
-Lego
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Should've had a huge cook-out while they could. Such a waste!
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Agreed. I would have brought the BBQ.
I read that as "Should've had a huge cock-out while they could.">__>
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Nothing is truly wasted. The rotted meat will make excellent fertilizer for something.
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i dont know they should add it to the groundwater, together with lsd and a spoonful of sugar
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i dont know they should add it to the groundwater, together with lsd and a spoonful of sugar
There's the drug I was looking for.
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Yay! Another opportunity to mention David Hasselhoff naked doing the Cha-Cha in my friend's front yard at midnight!
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The Hoff does not cha-cha. He only tangos like a boss.
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See, that is what is commonly known as spam, also referred to as "joining the bandwagon" or "killing the joke".
Please stop.
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You can only kill something that was funny to begin with.
News.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/10/07/health.care/index.html
Wow, that much money? Who wants to guess how much is earmarked pork?
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829 billion... Something tells me that's a safe estimate of, oh, 10-20% of the actual cost...
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From my sources long lost, the estimate was three trillion over the next ten years.
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http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/10/16/louisiana.interracial.marriage/index.html
More proof that Louisiana sucks. Yes, I'm saying that the whole state sucks because of one person.
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Huh... see if we fix New Orleans now.
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I find the reason why it didn't get give the license a bit, umm how should I say this, stupid. I mean the couple knew what would happen to their child/children if they ever even had any at all.
Also didn't Louisiana state have one of the lowest IQ's scores in all of America too? Or was it intelligence? It was definitely Louisiana is one of the lowest of something.
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I know it's a low poverty line, but that could just be Katrina.
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No, it was one of the lowest altitudes.
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The guy isn't a racist; that's not the right word for him. He's just misguided, letting his personal feelings influence what should be a bureaucratic stamping.
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He's not racist, he's just doing incredibly stupid things based on his views on a racial issue.
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Not racial, just statistical. If he's right, he has a reason, albeit a stupid one.
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http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/10/13/florida.teen.burned/index.html
And I wonder why the rest of the world finds the US to be idiotic :P which is certainly true... to a degree of course. I've pretty much lost hope in my present and future generation of children.
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This is an exact contraction to what I said on the Louisiana thing, but you can't judge a huge group of people based on a very few individuals. There have been bad eggs in every generation in the history of man. Now they just end up on the 24 hour news cycle.
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Idiots have always been around and like Inkling said, they just end up on TV now and on the news and we get our faces rammed into them.
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*Cough* Salem Witch Trials *Cough cough*
Seriously, though, Inkling is right.
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Don't worry guys I'm pretty aware of those facts. It's just something I thought I should point out since some foreigners (for that matter others of the same Country) seem to base an entire culture on one instance.
I just wish some people weren't that depraved :-\ hell I'm surprised the guy only got 2nd degree burns considering over 80% of his body was covered in flames.
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Burn degrees don't indicate degree burned. Second degree burns just mean that it only burned down to the deeper layers of the skin. Third degree means the skin is burned off entirely. He might have suffered second degree burns to 80% of his body, which could still be crippling.
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So instead of maybe a few months for stealing someone's bike, your suspect's now looking at 20+ for assault, GBH.
Genius!
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So instead of maybe a few months for stealing someone's bike, your suspect's now looking at 20+ for assault, GBH.
Welcome to America!
I movin to Canada I swear. I'll even take up hockey if I have too.
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No, you just have to be able to fake French.
And be nice to people.
... You're gonna get kicked out in 10 hours, tops.
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I think you are confusing me with dnd. :P
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Ferme ta gueule, Grazony. Mon francais est parfait!
I've been to canada a bit, considering I live about an hour or so from the border. It's a good two and a half hours to the heart of Quebec City if you know the right roads to take.
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Schließen Sie Ihr Gesicht dndfreak! Ich meinte das!
And be nice to people.
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No, I don't think I will shut my face.
Don't tell me to be nice, after all
I swear.
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In private I swear! D:
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These kids probably think they're really tough and awesome for burning someone, possibly injuring them for life with scars.
I kinda hope they get raped in jail. Nothing says "Thug life ain't glamorous" like taking it up the jacksey.
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Nothing says "Thug life ain't glamorous" like taking it up the jacksey.
Sigg'd
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Burn degrees don't indicate degree burned. Second degree burns just mean that it only burned down to the deeper layers of the skin. Third degree means the skin is burned off entirely. He might have suffered second degree burns to 80% of his body, which could still be crippling.
Oops, actually, in a rush of posting I reversed it; my bad.
These kids probably think they're really tough and awesome for burning someone, possibly injuring them for life with scars.
Not necessarily to be 'tough' more so for the lulz. But burning someone ALIVE wouldn't really be seen as that regardless of the situation. This is the Dnepropetrovsk Maniacs all over again :-X
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What inkling said is right to an extend...
i do believe society has become more depraved...
in the fifties you didnt hear every year of a a school shooting, nor did stuff like that happen as frequently as now... I dont think people are becoming stupid, but they become immune to empathy... I dont think most of these people realize what exactly they are doing for missing social and empathic skills.
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"When swine flu threatened to strike native North American communities in Canada for a second time, tribal leaders appealed to the government for help. They were hoping for medicine and doctors. The government sent them body bags. "
http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/canada%E2%80%99s-answer-flu-body-bags
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That's the great thing about a country that doesn't exist, news can make up whatever they want about it.
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I just don't understand "Native Americans" at all. Why do they subject themselves to apartheid?
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I just don't understand "Native Americans" at all. Why do they subject themselves to apartheid?
What is apartheid?
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I just don't understand "Native Americans" at all. Why do they subject themselves to apartheid?
What is apartheid?
The internet has a lot of amazing resources for finding out the answer to that question, and many others. A few immediately come to mind: Wiktionary (http://en.wiktionary.org) if you're looking for a brief answer, Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org) for a longer explanation, or Google (http://www.google.com) for anything ever written about it.
Next time, try to find the answer to your questions yourself, before asking somebody else. It saves everybody some time, and you'll probably learn more from it. :)
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Don't forget dictionary.com.
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Apartheid is basically like this:
(http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n125/Krakowsam/guinness.jpg)
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And the modern South Africa is that glass turned upside down, right with the predictable result of everything going to hell...
Damn you, ANC!
Edit:
That's the great thing about a country that doesn't exist, news can make up whatever they want about it.
.... Wait, wha?
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http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Canada#Canada_Doesn.27t_exist.2C_eh.3F
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And the modern South Africa is that glass turned upside down, right with the predictable result of everything going to hell...
*Sigh*
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What does it taste like? :P
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Guiness or South Africans?
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Both are delicious.
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The only difference is that South Africans give me a hangover.
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Mother, baby killed by train in Westmoreland County
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09303/1009676-100.stm?cmpid=news.xml#ixzz0VTUp94Gl
People will never learn. Over the summer a 15 year old boy was killed in the same spot.
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The three L's
Look, Listen, Live.
Good stuff.
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And the modern South Africa is that glass turned upside down, right with the predictable result of everything going to hell...
*Sigh*
Well it's true. Segregation and special favours that place one group over another are predictably disastrous, aren't they?
Or did you think I was being racist? ;)
Mother, baby killed by train in Westmoreland County
I feel sorrow for the baby and contempt for the mother. It's a FREIGHT TRAIN! Not exactly invisible! If you want to risk your own life dancing in front of a hundred-ton behemoth moving at a few dozen kilometres an hour, be my guest, but leave your child out of it.
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I got food poisoning from my own lasagne. :(
I just had a horrible night...
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What kind of lasagne? Was it delicious? At least to begin with?
At my prom everyone who had the vegan dinner got food poisoning.
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Oh yes, it was delicious. :P
But also evil.
But hey, no school! Woo...
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But hey, no school! Woo...
When?
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At my prom everyone who had the vegan dinner got food poisoning.
But hey, no school! Woo...
Does this answer your question?
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You're wrong dnd, I was talking about myself. :P
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Sorry Dnd and rysworld, you both failed the reading comprehension test.
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I do believe that that was the proper use of context clues and it was Tesla that failed to elaborate. It was the most likely conclusion to be drawn, after all. There wasn't anything else to go on.
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Nope. Martyk asked if it was delicious, I said it was also evil but at least now I don't have school. :P
Oh yes, it was delicious. :P
But also evil.
But hey, no school! Woo...
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It's crazy how people misunderstand so simple things. It has become more and more evident to me lately that there will always be someone who doesn't quite get what you're saying. No matter how simple it is.
How can we trust people to understand anything we say at all anymore?!
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*looks up*
*notices the post above martyk's*
F***
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_fort_hood_shooting
12 people killed and 31 wounded in a mass shooting at Fort Hood.
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I warn you that this gets a bit graphic.
When i came home this morning my mother told me that she feared that something happened to my cat, She said that around 3:00 AM she heard a cat scream (many hang around the house) and she tried to find out what was going on but it was far too dark.
I went to the side of the house to look for any sign of what happened..we have a small outdoor room covered by a tarp..i opened it up and found a leg of my cat, followed bu the rest of its ravaged body.
Its legs were broken off and its spine with the skull attached was completely removed from its body undamaged.
That scene has been well burnt in to my mind. To see my cute little kitty like that..i cant really explain it, i have not cried that hard in a long time
We have had some cat disappearances around here..but we figured they wandered off..somethings killing them it was just my luck that it got my cat and i of course would find its mutilated remains. The killer will return..i have no doubt of that..it views this place as a feeding grounds, but now I am going to be waiting for it...
Monday can not come soon enough, this has been a horrible week.
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Oh dear god.
*hugs* D:
SHOOT THE ****ER
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*hugs*
Shoot it, stab it or strangle it...when i catch the bastard you can bet on one of those..possibly all three.
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Chupacabra? No.
In all seriousness you should shoot it in the legs and then blow its head off. Probably a damn dog.
Not that dogs aren't good pets, it just the ones that do willy-nilly and kill things for the heck of it. Even if it has food.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_fort_hood_shooting
12 people killed and 31 wounded in a mass shooting at Fort Hood.
I thought that said flooding at first.
*sign*
More shootings.
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We think it may have been a coyote, i love animals in fact i would be a vegetarian if i had the money to do so, but against whatever killed my cat i have a pure hatred, i don't want to just kill it i want to make it scream and suffer in agony, i don't like that i feel that way but for the time being i just cant help it.
I'm pretty morbid right now, probably some kind of traumatic effect on me from the situation.
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I, reading that and having three cats I own, am worried. Do you live near Palms Blvd? If I found one of my cats like that, I would most likely go into a crying rage, attacking everyone I could see. I cannot say I feel what you do, but I can imagine a glimpse, a terrible glimpse, of the pain that you are going through, loving my cats more than my friends and developing a bond with them that has exceeded any bond I have ever had with a human. Sorry if this sounds robotic, but I tend to, when I feel a strong emotion, shell up, and it is hard for me to emote in this state.
We think it may have been a coyote, i love animals in fact i would be a vegetarian if i had the money to do so, but against whatever killed my cat i have a pure hatred, i don't want to just kill it i want to make it scream and suffer in agony, i don't like that i feel that way but for the time being i just cant help it.
I'm pretty morbid right now, probably some kind of traumatic effect on me from the situation.
I know what you mean, I've been truamatized before (Not telling why, thank you), and it affected me like this:
1:I was roboticly stiff and emotionless for a week.
2:I cried in my bed until my tears ran dry.
3:I bottled it up like I always used to and move on.
Try not to bottle it up, though, at least talk into a pillow, invent another personality in your mind, if you have to. That's what I did, and I don't mean an imaginary friend, I just mean talk to yourself, people are very good at comforting themselves.
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Don't worry Ry, we live on opposite sides of the nation so your cats are safe from whatever killed mine.
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Wow, that's one messed up story Gorman. I feel for ya. However, I honestly don't condone violence and in the end revenge is bitter sweet. Killing said culprit won't bring the cat back; a life for a life doesn't work especially when it applies to this sort of situation. Actually I take that back, a life for a life NEVER works.
As for the shooting, it was about time... not hoping for an event like that, but considering we went almost a whole year without a base shooting we were a bit overdue for one. Still, it's quite surprising a military base (right?) was attacked and left that many dead. But overall I'm just glad there weren't more casualties.
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I honestly don't condone violence and in the end revenge is bitter sweet. Killing said culprit won't bring the cat back; a life for a life doesn't work especially when it applies to this sort of situation. Actually I take that back, a life for a life NEVER works.
Hmm, not exactly. Think of it this way: the culprit alive means that it will just kill again. Assuming that it would kill just one more thing, killing it would keep a natural balance. However, chances are it would take more than one extra life and do more damage to this world alive than dead. Like it or not, that's how it works.
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I had counsel in English today, and I can honestly say, there are some people from some pretty messed up families in there. Incest being the most shocking, probably (Not the actual student having sex within the family, it was between their their cousin and their aunt). It makes me realized how lucky I am to live in L.A., off the streets, with a family that cares about me. I feel like I need to do something, but what? What can I, a thirteen-year-old boy, do to alieve people's major troubles? I don't know. :-\ :'(
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Torturing the animal that killed your pet is not the way to go if you ask me. Something should be done as it would be a danger. It could go after other pets of heaven forbid a small child. Still if it is a wild animal say then it is doing what wild animals do and it shouldn't be made to suffer needlessly for that.
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Who said torture? This act would not go out of revenge but out of a preemptive strike to protect future victims.
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I believe the problem is, that if he did it himself, it would be a matter of revenge. I think that he should tell animal control, they'll take care of it (If it is indeed an animal).
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Shoot it, stab it or strangle it...when i catch the bastard you can bet on one of those..possibly all three.
Chupacabra? No.
In all seriousness you should shoot it in the legs and then blow its head off.
I don't want to just kill it i want to make it scream and suffer in agony, i don't like that i feel that way but for the time being i just cant help it.
These all sound like truly humane ways of treating the animal. Animal Control may possibly be the right thing to do.
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I live in the country side, animal control will do nothing unless its something of a danger to many in the area, whatever this is comes to eat and leaves and comes back again when its hungry.
We started with one cat and of course that expanded through breedking, here's the thing i raised every one of them, but each time i were to only keep one, the rest may wander off as they please or i find homes for them. We have had around 8 or 9 cats disappear with in the last few months alone, The recent one was the only corpse i found that really alert us to the problem.
I have darted out after the door due to a kitten screaming before and never found it, however that's nature and i figured it was a simple raccoon or ground hog walking off with the kittens, however the larger ones started to disappear to once we gave all of the kittens away.
Here's the thing, this recent one..my cat butterscotch is the third cat i have personally lost, he was the third in line for me to keep over the past year and half. My first one was named Simba..he was one of the first to disappear, after i got over that i kept his little brother that i named bootsy. One day over the summer as i was face painting and i came home i was told that bootsy had come to my relatives with his back legs torn up and he did not survive his wounds, i assumed it was a cat fight, it was not until further disappearances particularly today that we really made the connection.
Butterscotch the one i found in pieces today was the third in line..he was my emotional replacement for bootsy who i lost over the summer, he is the third cat i have lost to this monster not including all the other cats that it took that i was not intending on keeping but none the less had raised from birth. I had to pick up my cats snapped bones and spine with its skull still attached along with its pelt and little feet that were scattered about today, his tail was wrapped in a tuft of fur still in tact.
Killing this thing solves two things, one it kills no more cats, two it will make me feel better and that's all i care about right now, i am not talking about torturing it, but i cant say i wouldn't let it to suffer if i shot and injured it, if you dislike that thought then picture your own damn animal in pieces. I'm not angry with you guys, i probably sound like a cruel person right but know that the main reason i want it dead is to protect the rest of the cats...only 4 remain. This thing has taken enough from me.
EDIT: I should note that this animal came in to an outdoor storage room that's attached to the side of the house and killed my cat, its not like my cat had wandered off and got killed, it killed him in a freaking bed i had made for them in that room, i picked his pieces up from his own bed!.
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Well then kill the damn thing. Do you have any guns?
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Killing it is not the problem, i have never once laid on eyes on it is the problem!, however all the evidence points to a coyote or a wild dog.
It attacks late at night and has always been one step ahead of me and it gets pitch black out here, investigating in the dark is dangerous as one morning we had chased off a pack of dogs awhile back (as far as i know they never came back). You do not want to be attacked by a pack of dogs when you cant even see them.
I am in the process of buying some lights to use out there, i suspect the thing will return around 5 days from now from past occurrences, i will simply sit quietly in hiding and wait for him to come around, possibly all night if i have to.
I cant bait it because the damn cats that remain will eat the bait >_<
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Keep the cats inside and bait it. If that is not an option, do you have money to spend on security cameras?
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I appreciate the concern Ry but i have it handled, i just regret not handling it sooner.
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My issue isn't with if you have to kill it. What must be done must be done. I just don't want you to put it through needless suffering. Assuming you try to shoot it try to make it quick. Even if an animal attacked my pets or my own family you can't punish an animal for what is in its nature. If it has to be destroyed for the safety of the area that's one thing but forcing it to suffer that's not right.
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Your probably right Cobra, please understand that i don't feel well right now maybe as time passes i will feel differently.
I want to clarify something earlier, the whole shot stab strangle thing was part joke part true, what i mean is when i hear something outside i usually grab whatever is closest it hand. Most of the time that's a sword or knife sometimes a gun sometimes nothing at all.
Had i actually been home last night it would have been my hands, My mom actually banged on the storage room wall and heard the thing growl, she was afraid to enter though because she was alone and that's understandable, she figured it ran off when she left..it didn't it..it stayed and ate parts of my cat.
Had i been home with my haste adrenaline and fear of my cats life i would entered and probably would have been bare handed. I probably would have regretted that decision to as it undoubtedly would have wanted to protect its kill, but i would have killed it anyway because it would have been cornered and i would have been half pissed off half suffering from shock and full of adrenaline..its not first time i have dealt with a canine bare handed unfortunately.
So that post earlier was not as cruel as it sounded..it was partially a joke..dark humor on my behalf but after dealing with that and attending a good friends calling hours a few hours later i am not exactly in the brightest of moods.
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You mum probably did the right thing by staying inside she didn't know what was out there or how dangerous it really was. As for barehanded that I would not recommend just because you may have it cornered but there are few things more dangerous than a cornered scared animal.
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You mum probably did the right thing by staying inside she didn't know what was out there or how dangerous it really was. As for barehanded that I would not recommend just because you may have it cornered but there are few things more dangerous than a cornered scared animal.
Jesus no i would never do that on purpose, Its just had i been home last night and heard the scream i likely would have just ran out barefoot in my boxers so it may well of ended up that way. In someways its good that i was still at my cousins...odds are i wouldn't have been quick enough to save my cat, sure i would have had whatever killed it but i would have gotten injured in the process.
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I want to clarify something earlier, the whole shot stab strangle thing was part joke part true, what i mean is when i hear something outside i usually grab whatever is closest it hand. Most of the time that's a sword or knife sometimes a gun sometimes nothing at all.
You have a sword at hand?
Also yeah that was a bit of dark humor there Cobra.
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Yeah i like to collect ancient weaponry or present time knives, i keep a sword and machete under my bed and around 5 daggers or knives on my desk, i have a few other weapons stored in an empty room.
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You remind me of someone I know, named Lynn, she's been all over the world, collecting weapons and stuff. She has blow-darts, a sacrificial dagger, a machete, a rusty out-of-repair gun made of iron and ivory, and one of those things you swing around that's made of wood, though the wood thing isn't a weapon, it's used to communicate.
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Yeah i like to collect ancient weaponry or present time knives, i keep a sword and machete under my bed and around 5 daggers or knives on my desk, i have a few other weapons stored in an empty room.
Aaaand you're on the CIA watchlist :P
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Yeah i like to collect ancient weaponry or present time knives, i keep a sword and machete under my bed and around 5 daggers or knives on my desk, i have a few other weapons stored in an empty room.
Aaaand you're on the CIA watchlist :P
I was thinking the same
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Oh baloney, the CIA doesn't care if you have sharp objects. Otherwise there would be a five day waiting period on buying kitchen knives.
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A knife and a sword are two entirely different things, inkling, and posting you have half an armoury on a forum will not necessarily get you on a cia wanted list but increases the chances
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Detox nobody's going to care that i have a bunch of swords axes or otherwise, hell they wouldn't even care if i had a house full of guns so long as they were all legal.
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And again I say baloney. You can go to the tourist trap a few hours from here and buy all kinds of swords and sharp objects. If the government cared about you having a sword there would be a waiting period or background check, like there is for firearms.
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O_o
Well I believe you are probably right Mr. Inkling, I was just saying that it increased the chances.
Enough of this silly talk! O~o
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A good friend of mine has Swine flu. And diabetes. He's probably going to be held back a grade, seeing as how he's going to be gone two months. It sucks. :'(
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And again I say baloney. You can go to the tourist trap a few hours from here and buy all kinds of swords and sharp objects. If the government cared about you having a sword there would be a waiting period or background check, like there is for firearms.
Why would the government care about you owning swords? Can't stage a revolution with them.
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Tell that to the guys down at County. I bet they'll have a pointed argument for you.
A-HAW HAW HAW
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Ba-da-tish (http://instantrimshot.com/)
:P
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Oh Pat, you're such a cut-up.
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OH GOD THE PUNS!
*shoots self*
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It's worse than watching a collection of nostalgia critic movies in here.
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What a sharp remark, dnd.
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You want something sharp? Oh, I'll give you something sharp.
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their gonna start executing gays now...
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=121216492
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What the hell, Uganda? I know AIDS is an incredibly serious problem, but you're not helping.
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Nuke Uganda and never speak of it again.
All opposed?
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Nuke Uganda and never speak of it again.
All opposed?
We have always been at war with Uganda.
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The Orient Express takes its final trip! (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=121365224)
:'(
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I like how at the end they say the loss of this train is a result of our affluent society, when things like the Orient express came out of the absurd wealth everyone was amassing in the 1920s. Nostalgia is all well and good, but I hate when people try to say that the disappearance of something is some sort of crime perpetrated by 'the modern world'. The Orient Express was once something amazing, but now its time has passed and people need to accept that. We still have all the movies and stories to remember it by, and I think that's good enough :P
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Speak for yourself! I love trains, you know that. The Orient Express was one of the trains that made me fall in love with them in the first place. I really wanted to get to ride it some day. :-[
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8419368.stm?ls
Yup....I pity him.
Actually, no. No I don't. He's a dumbass and should never find happiness.
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Lucky bastard... He's got a DSi LL and a hot girlfriend!
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I for one welcome our hot new overloads. That man will not die in the robot upraising because he just gain machine-death immunity for having a
digimonvirtual wife.
Edit:
Wait, if some one else plays with it, is that considered cheating?
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Wait, if some one else plays with it, is that considered cheating?
Only if they touch it... With the stylus, of course.
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heh. I enjoy imagining him accidentally erasing his save.
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heh. I enjoy imagining him accidentally erasing his save.
Yeah. :D
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtqGTn7PCBw
I didn't feel like posting the full version that uses anime footage this one sums up the point nice enough.
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Only in Japan.
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B-b-but what about those biomechanical alien chicks?!
D :
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Ewwww.
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huh. Brittany Murphy died of cardiac arrest.
You may know her better as the voice of Luanne on King of the Hill.
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So, looks like the Chinese government went after the Gmail accounts of some Human Rights activists. Official Blog (http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/01/new-approach-to-china.html)-NYTimes (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/13/world/asia/13beijing.html?src=twt&twt=nytimes)
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8419368.stm?ls
Yup....I pity him.
Actually, no. No I don't. He's a dumbass and should never find happiness.
So...how do they....you know.....do it?
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8419368.stm?ls
Yup....I pity him.
Actually, no. No I don't. He's a dumbass and should never find happiness.
So...how do they....you know.....do it?
Kaizer, it's best to NOT think about that. It would probably scar you worse than the true form of Flandre Weegas' attack. (Flandre Scarlet+Weegee+Giygas, BTW.)
EDIT: Fixed. I struck a nerve there, didn't I?
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8419368.stm?ls
Yup....I pity him.
Actually, no. No I don't. He's a dumbass and should never find happiness.
So...how do they....you know.....do it?
Kaiser, it's best to NOT think about that. It would probably scar you worse than the true form of Flandre Weegas' attack. (Flandre Scarlet+Weegee+Giygas, BTW.)
RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I AM NOT KAISER WILHELM!!!
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Did I see a quote pyramid there?
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8419368.stm?ls
Yup....I pity him.
Actually, no. No I don't. He's a dumbass and should never find happiness.
So...how do they....you know.....do it?
Kaiser, it's best to NOT think about that. It would probably scar you worse than the true form of Flandre Weegas' attack. (Flandre Scarlet+Weegee+Giygas, BTW.)
RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I AM NOT KAISER WILHELM!!!
Nope, it's over here now.
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7.3 on the richter scale, in Haiti. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8455629.stm?ls)
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Preliminary estimates numbering in half a million...
I hope they dig the place up as soon as they can, before the three day mark boosts up the toll. :(
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More bad news...
Unfortunately there's barely any heavy equipment on the island that they can use, from what I've been hearing. The unaffected hospitals several miles away only have enough fuel to keep the operating rooms running for two days after the quake hit. Also, I've heard that the entire Second Fleet is on standby and that a bunch of ships and planes have already set off, but that the ships will take at least a few days to get there.
On the other side of the coin, the Toussaint L'Ouverture International Airport (it's in the capital) suffered less damage than expected. They've also got crews specializing in earthquake cleanup and whatnot coming in from all over.
But again, unfortunately, the word is that since Haiti had such little infrastructure to begin with, much of the aid and support that is arriving can't be properly utilized due to inability to get anything done. Basically the entire country was leveled and has to be rebuilt. The one thing people keep saying is that if you're going to donate, donate money. Cans of soup and blankets and things like that are great but there's no way to get them where they're needed. What they need is money to get systems put in place to get aid out to people.
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**Possibly NSFW**
As judgmental as usual... (http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/02/05/are-women-who-date-otaku-worthless/)
**Possibly NSFW**
I have the same reaction to this as Luminar had on "getting a life." (http://www.gamingsteve.com/blab/index.php?topic=17037.msg772308#msg772308)
Oh dear the ignorance...
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Yes that is NSFW all right. This only makes Yuu more awesome though.
Anyway, back on topic... Actually, I have nothing to add. The person who responded to the woman was correct though she is a very cheap woman.
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Considering that this is Japan, she's lucky she didn't end up with worse.
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No matter what country you're in, it's still not a good idea.
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This close to anyone? (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8503142.stm)
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Middletown blast: 'Mass casualties' at US power plant
A huge explosion has rocked a power plant in the US state of Connecticut, with US media reporting at least two people killed and many more injured.
Now, I'm not saying that this wasn't bad, because it was, but does anyone else think that the media is kind of grasping at vapours describing two deaths as "Mass Casualties"?
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I'm pretty sure casualties are injuries, not kills.
Fatality is kills, isn't it?
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Actually, Casualties can be kills as well.
Though FATALITY just sounds so much more better doesn't it?
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Yes but it's not JUST kills.
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A fatality is a fatal injury. A casualty is used to define an injury that will not heal such as a missing limb. The term is usually reserved for military situations in which case it refers to any injury that will result in a soldier no longer being able to serve. In this context, however, I figure that a casualty is an injury resulting in the inability to function in a typical work environment.
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Middletown blast: 'Mass casualties' at US power plant
A huge explosion has rocked a power plant in the US state of Connecticut, with US media reporting at least two people killed and many more injured.
Now, I'm not saying that this wasn't bad, because it was, but does anyone else think that the media is kind of grasping at vapours describing two deaths as "Mass Casualties"?
It's different now.
A huge explosion has rocked a power plant in the US state of Connecticut, killing at least five people and injuring 12, the local mayor has said.
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To be fair, the first report DOES say "at least".
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And there's the fact that even if the doctors do their best, "seriously injured people" can become "dead people" in a short matter of time.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_middle_school_body
Nothing to say about how bad that is. Thats very close to where I live.
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This guy found a way to make me simultaneously want to pity him and mock him (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/8539560.stm)
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At least it would, hopefully, go to charity, eh? :)
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Are people not taught patience anymore?
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8551528.stm
Again, American morality. I hates it.
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They should have put a Burka on it instead.
-Lego
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I think the neighbor was just angry about them showing off and putting his or her snowman to shame.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8551528.stm
Well, that ruined it... Bummer... :(
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That's Jersey for you...
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Looks like Snooki... :)
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Pfft. Whoever that neighbor was they're uncultured swine. Arrghh now I'm pissed off on top of everything else that is bothering me.
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http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/03/10/meredith.emerson.photos/index.html?hpt=T1
Hustler and Larry Flynt can die in a fire.
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I would much prefer for them to survive it...
And suffer the effects of multiple failing organs and massive third degree burns for the rest of their short, miserable lives.
Utterly in bad taste.
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So a porn magazine wanted pictures of a dead, decapitated nude girl.
... Hooooow is that profitable? Even asking that is going to affect their profits, negatively.
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I think they were banking on the mix of scandal for free advertising and morbid curiosity.
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So a porn magazine wanted pictures of a dead, decapitated nude girl.
Guru fetishists perhaps?
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This is bad why?
These are sick disgusting people they should all be fired from their jobs.
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What.
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Well, it IS a niche market. I highly doubt that there's any necrophelia magazines out there with any kind of viewer base.
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Not to mention, modelling for it must be killer.
Oop, sorry.
Must be killer.
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Ha
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I believe that your 'd' key just might be producing 'r's when it should be producing 'd's. You might want to look into that.
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El Juego.
The Game. You have all lost, and so have I. Or so I want you to think...
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No he perdido el juego. No es pertinente, de todos modos.
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Dr. Breen has passed away. (http://www.cinematical.com/2010/03/24/robert-culp-passes-away-at-the-age-of-79/)
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I hope this doesn't delay Half Life 2 episode 1 :(
(http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n125/Krakowsam/slowpoke-1.jpg)
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OH I SEE WHAT YOU DID THAR
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Touché.
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Well, its official.
Gabe's out. Episode 3 is canceled. (http://www.joystiq.com/2010/03/26/penny-arcade-adventures-discontinued-there-wont-be-an-episode/)
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Well, its official.
Gabe's out. Episode 3 is canceled. (http://www.joystiq.com/2010/03/26/penny-arcade-adventures-discontinued-there-wont-be-an-episode/)
Shame. I'll miss those robots the most.
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oh thank god I thought you meant Gabe Newell canceled half life episode 3
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oh thank god I thought you meant Gabe Newell canceled half life episode 3
Well, that was meant to be the joke, but I think either PoW didn't catch it, or is just acting like he didn't to fool me >_>
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Funny, since all I remember from Rain-Slick was the robots that humped oranges.
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oh thank god I thought you meant Gabe Newell canceled half life episode 3
Well, that was meant to be the joke, but I think either PoW didn't catch it, or is just acting like he didn't to fool me >_>
Don't worry Skyward *I* see what you did there. :)
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oh thank god I thought you meant Gabe Newell canceled half life episode 3
Well, that was meant to be the joke, but I think either PoW didn't catch it, or is just acting like he didn't to fool me >_>
/me slaps
Of course I saw what you did there. Why did you think I didn't?
It's the little things like these that are the reason we're getting a divorce.
For the record, if the series you were impling was cancelled, my reaction would be far about a simple "Shame".
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A prime example of stupid weapons handling. Or maybe just another reason why people like the Comedian exist. :) (http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/03/31/12-year-old-boy-faces-life-sentence-for-murder/)
WARNING <!> Site is totally NSFW.
For more depressing news, just scroll through the sidebar or look at the bottom of the article.
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what do you mean nsfw I don't see anything too....*scrolls to bottom and closes link quickly* riiiiight then.....
real shame but honestly who gives a kid a shotgun for their 11th birthday?
only time I've ever used a weapon was my 7th birthday when I asked my dad if he would teach me how to use the BB gun
I blame whoever gave him the gun and the parents for not taking it
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Seeing it was a Christmas present there the Parents (possibly even the victim herself) gave him the weapon.
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Wait, what?
Is that entire website devoted to anime and children committing murders? :/
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Well I mean, it combines everyone's favorite things! Looking for the daily news and looking at hentai!
No, I can't really figure it out either. It all seems really really really really really really stupid. Just saying. Not that I don't enjoy a good hentai every now and again. Helps build character.
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And by character you mean an unhealthy distaste for humanity?
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Yuu, I think there might be something wrong when that site is the place you link us for
I was going to say that, but I checked, and no other big news site is reporting on this. Nothing (at least on the first page of Google) from the BBC, CNN, local networks or even Fox. Which is worrying.
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Actually, it was mentioned a few weeks ago (Saw it on CNN myself), why it didn't appear on major news channel websites is beyond me. But I'm pretty sure there's at least ONE youtube video with the interview of the kids dad.
Still, trifling stuff ._. I know the gun was a gift, but come on, it's not like the dad wasn't at fault in any way.
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The dad is innocent man. The truth of the matter is that the child is satan.
Haha. No, seriously, don't give kids real guns.
Twelve years old? If he's clamouring for something to shoot with get him a BB Gun.
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but you'll shoot yer eye out, kid!
If he's clamoring for something to shoot with, how about a method other than giving him a weapon? After all, those things can one-shot a radroach.
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And by character you mean an unhealthy distaste for humanity?
Obscure news sites...
Destroying faith in humanity, one article at a time.
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Not having read the article, there are these things called hunter safety courses. They teach you how to safely use a gun. Maybe this kid should have taken such a course before being allowed to get his hands on a loaded gun.
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I don't think being trained in proper gun use would have stopped him from killing his step mum in cold blood while she slept due to jealousy directed at the attention to her unborn child.
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In fact, he probably would have felt more confident in his actions.
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I see. Well, I guess I've learned my lesson about commenting on stories I haven't read.
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Man! If that guy was around, we could spend weeks arguing about gun control.
You know the guy.
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Man! If that guy was around, we could spend weeks arguing about gun control.
You know the guy.
Oh,you mean Axelgear?
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Of course, Japan is a sexist repressed nation of perverts, and therefore must be purged with NATO's entire nuclear arsenal. We all know that all other nations are absolutely loyal to their sexual partners and are free of any sexual deviance or discrimination whatsoever. (http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/04/04/cnn-japan-is-a-sexist-repressed-nation-of-perverts/)
NSFW, obviously.
Seriously, that made me laugh, since America has the largest pornography industry.
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To be fair, that CNN article does seem to downplay the 'Japan is full of perverts' argument, since it does say that there are fundamental cultural differences between 'us' and Japan so it's hard to compare. Maybe I'm just naive though, I dunno.
Also, the sidebar of that site is full of pictures of half-naked (or more) women, so it doesn't do that good of a job in defusing the article it's berating.
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If anything its being hypocritical.
Here is a safer link -> http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/04/02/rapelay.japan/index.html
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I'd like to think it's being ironic, instead of hypocritical.
And, Yuu, I think you're in danger of becoming as biased as the site.
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Yuu. Go have sex with an octopus.
>_>
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Then again, that game may do very well here if it were released. :P
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Yuu, no offence intended, but could you PLEASE for the love of EVERY MAJOR DEITY including ZEUS stop linking to that arsing site. I know perfectly well what Not Safe For Work means but some of the stuff that features on the side banners of that site arn't Safe For Home. You think I want my family and immidiate friends to think I'm into anime boobies? Do you think I want to have to crosscheck every link you put on this thread to make sure I'm not in danger of seeming like a pervert?
I mean sure, I know now not to go onto that site, but at some point someone is going to click on that NSFW link, thinking it's just a bit of swearing or something and then BAM, TENTACLE RAPE, while their elderly grandmother in the room.
So with that in mind, Yuu, could you please at least try to keep your psuedo-news-porno sites to yourself?
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Yeah, sorry. I can not respect that site as a valid source of any information.
Please stop linking to it. It straddles a very fine line for whats acceptable for this forum. :-\
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It straddles a very fine line for whats acceptable for this forum. :-\
If you know what I mean.
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In bed.
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...and Bob was there too.
-Lego
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(And that was the moment I lost all faith in this forum and left immediately.)
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Ha
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Just when I thought I was out... they pull me back in.
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And now for something completely different.
(http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/9457/montypython02.jpg)
-Lego
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Indecision 2010 begins! (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8603591.stm)
I suppose this is News for one's Blues if one is a anarchist or one doesn't like the terrible visual things the news do every single General Election.
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So, is Jaime Escalante really dead, or is it just a hoax?
I haven't read into it much, but if it's true, then that certainly fits NFYB.
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West Virginia mine explosion, nuclear policy. (http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/04/06/on-the-radar-west-virginia-mine-explosion-nuclear-policy/)
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Wait, what does nukes have to do with coal mines, or is that a separate article? ???
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West Virginia is actually an large nuclear bomb processing plant. We use coal. >_>
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I see...
Thank you for enlightening me.
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Pssh... that's so last year.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8612825.stm
Poland's President and several other leaders in the country have died in a plane crash in Russia.
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Good lord.
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(http://imgur.com/M7Myo.jpg)
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I'm not sure if you're badly trying to imply that Russia is responsible, or if you just got the wrong thread.
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Sad news on the portbound! (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1264617/Girl-6-sent-room-punishment-youngest-people-committed-suicide-US.html)
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I forget, is The Daily Mail one of the legit British papers or not?
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Depends on your definition of 'legitimate'.
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Its probably the most 'legitimate' tabloid. But its generally full of bile about how young people and foreigners are destroying the country and one of its major past-times is compiling a comprehensive list of everything that can cause/cure cancer.
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Its probably the most 'legitimate' tabloids. But its generally full of bile about how young people and foreigners are destroying the country apart and one of its major past-times is compiling a comprehensive list of everything that can cause/cure cancer.
You forgot House Prices.
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Its probably the most 'legitimate' tabloid. But its generally full of bile about how young people and foreigners are destroying the country and one of its major past-times is compiling a comprehensive list of everything that can cause/cure cancer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eBT6OSr1TI
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That was most enjoyable.
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Then again, similar things could be said for the Express...
With more Diana.
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NEWS FLASH: DIANA'S DEATH CAUSED BY IMMAGRATION POLICY REDUCING HOUSING PRICES
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Swine Flu call centres may be staffed by FOREIGNERS!!!
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Wait... you can't get Swine Flu through the phone, right? Man, I hope not. :(
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SWINE FLU NOW COMMUNICABLE SIMPLY BY TALKING ABOUT IT
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THIS JUST IN: EVERYONE EVER HAS JUST DIED FROM SWINE FLU
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THIS JUST cough IN: I AM ABO cough ABOUT TO cough ABOUT TO DIE OF cough SWINE cough cough wheeze
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THIS JUST IN: I AM IMMUNE TO SWINE FLU!!!
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(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j106/Gianni989/2cesq4k.jpg)
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THIS JUST IN: THIS THREAD IS GOING OFF-TOPIC
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THIS JUST IN: NO DUH
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(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j106/Gianni989/2cesq4k.jpg)
Hahaha, that bloody madagascar, never got my parasite to get there...
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_dying_and_ignored
I have lost all forms of pity for the people who did this.
They better hope things don't come around on their end.
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Sugah Bear, I've seen far worse. Humans can be bastards indeed.
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Nothing rivals the cowardice of the human race. I cant stand seeing stuff like this, it makes me hate my own species more then I do already.
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Would any of us do any different?
Its nice to think we would, but lets be reasonable. The people in that report aren't some kind of soulless monsters or simpering coddled cowards, they are just normal people like you and me.
Its human nature to ignore or dehumanise people outside your own bubble. In fact, you are doing exactly the same thing right now by dismissing the people who didn't act as cowards or worse.
Believe it or not there's a fairly good article about it on Cracked.
Like it or not its just the way people are programmed to behave. That doesn't mean we have to be resigned to some sort of bleak world where everyone is a dick. Society does a lot to remedy these tribal instincts by training people as law enforcers and setting up charities and so on.
One more thing:
Nothing rivals the cowardice of the human race.
Turkeys are terrified of plastic bags rustling in the wind. ;)
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I would have done something and I have before and I believe everyone should do the same, and if you woulden't you'll get no respect from me.
I am a firm supporter of vigilantism (where you act in a situation you witness, not where you ruthlessly hunt down criminals) but this didn't even require vigilantism. It required a 5 minute phone call to 911. Every single person that walked by should be jailed as an accomplice to murder.
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Your attitude to this is all well and great, but it still won't save you when you get into some horrible accident and lie on the sidewalk with only minutes left to live, and nobody stops to call for help. I don't know how you must be feeling at that point, but I imagine it must be something like "Oh, so no one helps me, the hero. Hey you, you there! I would have saved your ass, I hope you think about that! You bastard." or perhaps "I wish I had actually done something about this issue, instead of posting about it on the internet where no one gives a damn."
Don't blame me. Blame the world.
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What I want to know is, why didn't the woman that was being mugged call anyone? I mean, she should have at least notified police that this guy was running around mugging people.
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"I wish I had actually done something about this issue, instead of posting about it on the internet where no one gives a damn."
And what exactly do you suggest could be "done" about the issue?
Cant change the world, Only myself.
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I don't know. Become a politician and lecture people on how important helping people is? Maybe then you can suggest a law that will put people in jail if they don't call for help when they see someone is in trouble. :P Or maybe you should write to a magazine! That way some people who care might actually see your message.
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Or maybe go to a bunch of random forum communities and copypasta Yuu's post to raise awareness of this issue!
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How about we just agree that people in NYC are jerks?
GD, to me at least the point of helping people isn't so that you'll be helped if something bad happens to you. You help people in need because it's the right thing to do.
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I don't disagree with that. I just felt I needed to respond to Gorman's attitude of "let's put everyone who doesn't help in jail." That's just arrogance at best.
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But who (or what) defines right and wrong?
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Oh, lets not get started down that blind alley of a debate. :P
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But who (or what) defines right and wrong?
Socialisation from society and family, as well as education, peers and beliefs/religion, determines the norms and values of a person. Next question.
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Oh, I disagree with Gorman on that, too. There are too many variables in any situation for that to be an enforcable law. For instance, in this case the passers by may not have seen any wounds or blood and thought the guy was just sleeping. Sounds like it was in a bad part of town, they may therefore have been less inclined to stop and study some guy on the sidewalk for fear that they would, I don't know, get mugged or stabbed. Someone still should have helped, but they shouldn't be thrown in jail for not helping.
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By that definition, PoW, slavery homophobia. Pedophilia, and mass murder were/are all "right."
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My initial reply was a bit hot headed because I cant stand such things, but its true some people probably just thought he was a drunken passed out bum. One guy however actually turned him over noticed the wound and then left him. That guy should be charged with something. Regardless, a dying guy shouldn't have laid on the sidewalk for an hour with no help. How anyone could knowingly walk by live with themselves ill never understand.
Anyway the problems with our laws aren't that you cant be punished for not helping, its you can be punished for helping someone. Hell you can be punished for helping yourself in some circumstances. It completely ridiculous.
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...what?
I fail to see the connection between Inkling's post and Lush's. I don't think Inkling said that anything was "all right", just that you couldn't possible enforce a law about being complicit in murder for not helping the victim.
Warning - while you were typing a new reply has been posted. You may wish to review your post.
One guy however actually turned him over noticed the wound and then left him. That guy should be charged with something.
I agree that that was a pretty piss poor thing to do, but it is possible that the guy was scared of the same thing happening to him if he hung around and tried to help. Though he should have still called for help from a distance if that was the case.
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I'm also kinda curious on how they ID'd the hobo. He must have had his prints on record, since I'd imagine the mugger would have swiped a wallet with his IDs in it if the hobo actually had one. Jeez, hobos aren't even immune to a mugging anymore.
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The mugger was attacking a women, the homeless guy intervened and the mugger stabbed him repeatedly in the chest. Odds are the mugger got the hell out of dodge afterward and probably didn't bother grabbing anything off of the homeless guy.
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...what?
I fail to see the connection between Inkling's post and Lush's. I don't think Inkling said that anything was "all right", just that you couldn't possible enforce a law about being complicit in murder for not helping the victim.
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One guy however actually turned him over noticed the wound and then left him. That guy should be charged with something.
I agree that that was a pretty piss poor thing to do, but it is possible that the guy was scared of the same thing happening to him if he hung around and tried to help. Though he should have still called for help from a distance if that was the case.
I was responding to PoW. Thus, the "PoW" in the sentence.
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My mistake, I assumed you meant "Prisoners of War".
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By that definition, PoW, slavery homophobia. Pedophilia, and mass murder were/are all "right."
You couldn't have missed the point more if you were Angus McBlunt, the world famous winner of the point missing competition, where he won the grand prize for asking the judges why people wern't understanding the statements being given to you.
You asked "But who (or what) determined what is right or wrong? The correct answer, as any GCSE Sociology student knows, is what agents of sociolisation teach a person in particular is right, and from that persons point of view the values that they know to be "right" would be right, and the values they know to be "wrong" would be wrong. What one person sees as right, a homophobic for example, is totally justifyable in their own minds. Of course, we believe that homophobia is wrong, because that is the way we have interprated society's lessons to us, just he interpreted the lesson's taught to him in a way totally different. In the end, that is what determins what is right or wrong. It's a perfectly simple, Sociologists answer.
But I can see why you would think the way you did, because you missed the bloody point.
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By that definition, PoW, slavery homophobia. Pedophilia, and mass murder were/are all "right."
No, by that definition moral issues are complex.
Stupid troll.
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Stupid troll.
... Trix is for kids!
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Well obviously,the point I'm trying to make is that there are no concrete and absolute(that is, universal) standards of morality so the term "Do what's right" holds about as much meaning as "Do what you want to do" in that situation.
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I don't understand the value of dismissing issues of morality because "its just one huge gray area" on such a small-scale subject. Philosophically, it would be valid to bring up the malleability of morality, but we're not talking big philosophy here, we're talking about a guy who knew for certain someone was bleeding out on the floor, and did nothing. If you fear for yourself, you can easily contact authorities from another location. If you assume someone is drunk and passed out? Thats fine. If you neglect to act when you are in full knowledge of someones life being in danger, and there isn't a reasonable threat to yourself, you are proxy to the crime in the same way you are responsible if you see a baby playing with a carving knife and refuse to intervene.
If you're willing to play the "but morality varies!" bilge on such a simple topic, you may as well cease posting, because by the same fruitlessly quasi-intellectual token, you could realise all consciousness is a relative experience encapsulated by the chemically induced mental construct that is our mind; which leaves us in a staggered lucidity we can no more validate as 'the real world' than a person can validate a dream to be a dream from within one!!1
*thumbs his nose*
Whilst 'moral sovereignty' is a valid subject matter unto itself, it can rarely be applied constructively outside of philosophy-centric topics. I don't think this is one of them. :P
Law is similar to morality. Whilst it will vary from place to place or person to person, they are both a set of common sacrifices we commit to, in effort to coexist with others with a minimum of infringing upon one another. It isn't exactly a complex gray-area issue here. There is no prisoners dilemma. Press "A" to save guys life. Thats it. The only real factor I can see causing any of these individuals to not contact authorities, is a fear of the police/legal establishment. We are indeed in the age of lawyer, where frivolous lawsuits are a common thing, and where occasionally, one will be won. A paranoid individual may refuse to contact authorities because it would involve themselves. If you do not trust the police, you would see reporting a murder/critical injury as roping you into something you know you didn't commit, but that they may go to extreme lengths to pin on you. People are frightened of being sued. People are frightened of the police. You can't turn around without bumping into another story of someone who got screwed by a maze of red tape or an innocent being stomped over nothing because of a badly interpreted technicality.
Regardless of why, we can take this as a stark commentary on our 'civilised' culture.
I wonder if this would have ended differently, had it not been a homeless guy...
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How about we just agree that people in NYC are jerks?
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How about we just agree that people in NYC are jerks?
Yeah, screw those guys. Screw the Jersey Shore people, too.
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I don't understand the value of dismissing issues of morality because "its just one huge gray area" on such a small-scale subject. Philosophically, it would be valid to bring up the malleability of morality, but we're not talking big philosophy here, we're talking about a guy who knew for certain someone was bleeding out on the floor, and did nothing. If you fear for yourself, you can easily contact authorities from another location. If you assume someone is drunk and passed out? Thats fine. If you neglect to act when you are in full knowledge of someones life being in danger, and there isn't a reasonable threat to yourself, you are proxy to the crime in the same way you are responsible if you see a baby playing with a carving knife and refuse to intervene.
If you're willing to play the "but morality varies!" bilge on such a simple topic, you may as well cease posting, because by the same fruitlessly quasi-intellectual token, you could realise all consciousness is a relative experience encapsulated by the chemically induced mental construct that is our mind; which leaves us in a staggered lucidity we can no more validate as 'the real world' than a person can validate a dream to be a dream from within one!!1
*thumbs his nose*
Whilst 'moral sovereignty' is a valid subject matter unto itself, it can rarely be applied constructively outside of philosophy-centric topics. I don't think this is one of them. :P
Law is similar to morality. Whilst it will vary from place to place or person to person, they are both a set of common sacrifices we commit to, in effort to coexist with others with a minimum of infringing upon one another. It isn't exactly a complex gray-area issue here. There is no prisoners dilemma. Press "A" to save guys life. Thats it. The only real factor I can see causing any of these individuals to not contact authorities, is a fear of the police/legal establishment. We are indeed in the age of lawyer, where frivolous lawsuits are a common thing, and where occasionally, one will be won. A paranoid individual may refuse to contact authorities because it would involve themselves. If you do not trust the police, you would see reporting a murder/critical injury as roping you into something you know you didn't commit, but that they may go to extreme lengths to pin on you. People are frightened of being sued. People are frightened of the police. You can't turn around without bumping into another story of someone who got screwed by a maze of red tape or an innocent being stomped over nothing because of a badly interpreted technicality.
Regardless of why, we can take this as a stark commentary on our 'civilised' culture.
I wonder if this would have ended differently, had it not been a homeless guy...
Exactly. I, along with everyone else, am just BS'ing everything as I go. I'm just enjoying the ride, yeah those New Yorkers are total douches but I'm not going to loose any sleep or go on some net-based "Holy Crusade" over it. Look at the post, shake your head disparagingly and move onto the next one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM1RChZk1EU
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Students Kicked Off Campus for Wearing American Flag Tees (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36981179?GT1=43001)
I'm a little unsure how to feel about this. On the one hand, it probably might have started a fight. On the other hand, this is America. On the other other hand, it's California, so what can you do?
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That would of been ok if it wasn't obviously an attempt to insult the other students.
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That's insane to give them so much crap for wearing a shirt with an American flag on it... in America. It was a Mexican holiday? Great! When I worked at the convenience store on the Fourth of July (which happened more often than I think should have been allowed) we had people stumbling in all the time in American flag shirts... and some clever folks with the Union Jack... and others that just pulled a shirt out of the drawer. Big deal, get over it.
But even worse than that is the crap storm that's going to consume the news media for the next week because of this jerk-off principal.
**EDIT**
OH HEY! LOOK!
Fox news is talking about this right now and CNN has it coming up! And the school in question is in lock down today and the police are there and the students walked out! This is ridiculous!
**EDIT EDIT**
Today is a banner day for stupid news in the US. They closed down Times Square again because of a suspicious package. Five bucks says the UPS guy dropped it.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbwSwvUaRqc
WARNING - mildly disturbing
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I saw that, wasn't it a raid were they found a samll quantity of mirjuana and then arrested the parents for child endagerment, even though the swat team shot their pets while they were still in the house.
Actually i've just noticed most of that is explained in the video discription...
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Thats why i hate cops... Sorry, theyre just uniformed menaces, as whenever you actually do NEED them they can't help you
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Be sure to say that next time you see one. I'm sure they are too appreciated for the hard work they do, and need to be taken down a peg. I'm sure your local cops would be glad to be compared to a single group of police in Missouri.
Not everywhere in the world has Batman-style vigilanties.
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Yeah, come on man, police forces around the world certainly aren't perfect but the country you come from and the countries most of us come from have it pretty good in that respect.
Its a tough job, police do do a lot of good most of the time, and to be honest I think most people would be quite badly affected by the pressure if they had a job like that.
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But, Batman is awesome....
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Students Kicked Off Campus for Wearing American Flag Tees (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36981179?GT1=43001)
I'm a little unsure how to feel about this. On the one hand, it probably might have started a fight. On the other hand, this is America. On the other other hand, it's California, so what can you do?
The administration at the school is painfully stupid. This kind of thing is First Amendment 101.
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinker_v._Des_Moines_Independent_Community_School_District
Wearing an American flag shirt or bandana absolutely falls under free speech. If it was okay any other day of the year under the school's dress code, It's okay on May 5th. I hope someone tapes a summary of Tinker v. Des Moines to the principal's door.
That being said, a school with a dress code as apparently lax as this is asking for trouble.
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But, Batman is awesome....
Batman isn't a cop, and only fights in Gotham because most police forces are corrupt or too inadequate.
He was saying that if there isn't a police force, there is crime, and there won't be some caped crusader running around because it isn't realistic.
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Thats why i hate cops... Sorry, theyre just uniformed menaces, as whenever you actually do NEED them they can't help you
Be sure to remember that next time your home is robbed.
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Today my heart is broken, Ronnie passed away at 7:45am 16th May. Many, many friends and family were able to say their private good-byes before he peacefully passed away. Ronnie knew how much he was loved by all. We so appreciate the love and support that you have all given us. Please give us a few days of privacy to deal with this terrible loss. Please know he loved you all and his music will live on forever.
- Wendy Dio (http://www.ronniejamesdio.com/)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64coD-rx9sk
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Wow, that sucks. I heard he was ill, but wow.
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Yeah, come on man, police forces around the world certainly aren't perfect but the country you come from and the countries most of us come from have it pretty good in that respect.
Its a tough job, police do do a lot of good most of the time, and to be honest I think most people would be quite badly affected by the pressure if they had a job like that.
I know that you are right, and i appreciate the work, i really do, but whenever I actually needed help they didn't help me while they chase me around for demonstrating, while they punch me in the gut for standing up to show my political stance without reason. I have made very bad experiences with cops in common, while i know that were lucky in the western countries, theyre still above the law and abuse their power quite often.
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they punch me in the gut for standing up to show my political stance without reason.
What were you doing exactly?
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i was protesting against the local educational politics
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How were you protesting?
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Where do you live?
(I don't need specifics, a country or state is enough.)
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I was in a demonstration which is completely legal in germany. There was no violence coming from the demonstrators, no bottle thrown, no rocks, nothing.
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I was in a demonstration which is completely legal in germany. There was no violence coming from the demonstrators, no bottle thrown, no rocks, nothing.
Well, I suppose if the crowd was big enough, something may have happened without your knowledge.
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Wasn't it a sit in and they kicked you out?
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i protest quite often inkling... in comparison to others i hardly demonstrate
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Are you a minority? As a triple minority, I can sympathize.
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Did they actually punch you in the gut, or are you just being metaphorical?
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Triple minority? Want to elaborate, Lush?
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He is a black, gay woman.
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Who uses masculine pronouns.
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My bad news? A friend of mine has Lyme Disease and I don't know when he'll be getting better. Also, I've discovered that most of my friends are busy, nobody in the neighborhood trusts me enough to talk to me, and we're doing work at school. The only people who actually listen to me are my family and you guys, which may not last much longer. Pathetic, isn't it? Well, that's practically my whole life in a nutshell. Unless there's a Pokemon event or school or summer camp, I have almost no reason to actually leave my room ever. Don't I just seem like a pathetic, simpering, lifeless little worm to you?
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Try joining an after school program, or do community work. Schools, which primarily exist to educate students, also serve the important function of introducing children to other children. Social skills are a must if you want to go places in life, so if you're not going to join a club at least try sitting at a new lunchtable. I also find doing a small amount of physical activity, even if its only fifteen minutes of jogging a couple times a week, improves your mood greatly.
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You don't sound like a worm!
Worms go out when it's raining.
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Lyme disease is rarely fatal, and is curable if caught early, so i'm sorry for your friend, but it shouldn't be too bad.
The rest of your problems don't sound like problems.
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They sound like opportunities!
You got to actualise your potentialities! Let me show you how, buy my book and tapes in one easy payment of $659.99.
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Step 1: Go into a deep depression because you just blew $660 on self help material.
Step 2: Buy my next book.
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Don't I just seem like a pathetic, simpering, lifeless little worm to you?
You sound like a Negative Nancy. Buck up and stop feeling bad for yourself, it's not going to ever help, ever. Make new friends if you want friends, get a job if you need an excuse to leave the house. And don't tell me you're not old enough to work, you can get a real job if you really want to, even if you don't have working papers. Whatever you do, don't sit in the house all down on yourself. That's just going to feed into the problem and make things worse. If you're not happy with the way things are, you need to change it. That's how it works. Very rarely will somebody step away from their own problems to help you out, so don't wait around for it.
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My bad news? A friend of mine has Lyme Disease and I don't know when he'll be getting better.
I don't know too much about the disease, but based on munchkin's comment and a quick overview of the wiki page on the subject, I don't think that's too much to worry about.
Also, I've discovered that most of my friends are busy.
And? People have lives outside of your needs. Find out if you can go be busy with them, or find other sources to keep you busy.
nobody in the neighborhood trusts me enough to talk to me.
And why would this be?
and we're doing work at school
Work? At school? Absurd! Unheard of!
The only people who actually listen to me are my family and you guys, which may not last much longer.
Listen Octagon, while you may piss us off from time to time, we will always be here to give you good, honest advice. You're one of us, and we take care of our own.
Pathetic, isn't it? Well, that's practically my whole life in a nutshell.
Yes it's pathetic, but I went through the same thing around your age, and I turned out ok.
Unless there's a Pokemon event or school or summer camp, I have almost no reason to actually leave my room ever.
Well first of all, what's so bad about being in your room all the time? I would be if I had the option. If you really want to get out, find ways to do so. Wander the area, explore, find things to do. There's always something if you're willing to hunt it down.
Don't I just seem like a pathetic, simpering, lifeless little worm to you?
Yes you do, but most of us are.
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Unless there's a Pokemon event or school or summer camp, I have almost no reason to actually leave my room ever.
Well first of all, what's so bad about being in your room all the time? I would be if I had the option. If you really want to get out, find ways to do so. Wander the area, explore, find things to do. There's always something if you're willing to hunt it down.
And I DO this. With the exception of friday nights playing MtG at the local shop, I'm in my room pretty much 24/7 and I love it. I get one hell of a lot more done here as opposed to when I was in school and if you're that desperate for socialization, not only are there forums like this, but there's always things like casual gaming clans you can hang out with. That's honestly why I put so much time into TF2, I was just hangin' out with the clan. You seem to act like somebody who spends all their time on the internet anyways, why not embrace it?
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This is true. The only reason I'm not there now is because I'm working. You should see me during the school year. 2 hours of class a day, 4 days a week. Apart from that I'm on my computer, often hanging out with my DoD Unit, friends on XboxLive or here.
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Don't I just seem like a pathetic, simpering, lifeless little worm to you?
You sound like a Negative Nancy. Buck up and stop feeling bad for yourself, it's not going to ever help, ever. Make new friends if you want friends, get a job if you need an excuse to leave the house. And don't tell me you're not old enough to work, you can get a real job if you really want to, even if you don't have working papers. Whatever you do, don't sit in the house all down on yourself. That's just going to feed into the problem and make things worse. If you're not happy with the way things are, you need to change it. That's how it works. Very rarely will somebody step away from their own problems to help you out, so don't wait around for it.
Yeah. Do something about it or get used to it. That's how simple it is.
If you're too lazy to change anything, and it keeps bothering you, I suggest you make up some really good excuses to not change anything. With the right set of mind, you'll get used to anything! Don't think about what other people will think about you. As long as you can justify everything to yourself, you'll be just fine. And trust me, if you keep that up, at some point you'll have to. Can't change? Then don't! Just be happy with your life, however crappy it may seem. It's your life, you're allowed to live it any way you want. There's no reason to feel like a pathetic worm when you're living your life the way you want to. So, either find a way to live your life that way, or find a way to make yourself think you're living your life just the way you want.
Never underestimate the power of denial!
I don't have any friends and even my family doesn't listen to me, but I don't give a damn. Maybe you can do the same! And I only leave my room to go to school or a walk and maybe take some photographs. It's not too bad, really.
You know how you stop sounding like a simpering little worthless worm? Just think that your life is awesome no matter what happens! Maybe you can find value in some other things than what is currently going on in your life or how other people treat you.
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You know how you stop sounding like a simpering little worthless worm? Just think that your life is awesome no matter what happens! Maybe you can find value in some other things than what is currently going on in your life or how other people treat you.
Exactly. For a number of years I was increadibly depressing. I was convinced everyone hated me and that everything I did was pointless. And then I realized that I don't care about what they think and that I am Viceroy of Pretty Cool Guy. I know I'm not perfect, but I don't care because I know I'm a lot closer than most.
I find what helps is to be increadibly egotistical and full of yourself, at least in your head. Tell yourself that you're the most important, flawless person in the world, and believe it, while at the same time knowing that it's not true and that you must never tell anyone else that. Therein lies the secret of confidence.
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And the makings of a very competitive person, if I might add.
Just leave some room for sound reasoning and you'll be fine.
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Ego works. If you consider yourself the most important, smart, common sense filled person in existance then you can reason that anyone who says otherwise is just plain wrong.
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It's true, and that's why I'm always right, which only furthur cements my belief that I am best ever.
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Yeah. Do something about it or get used to it. That's how simple it is.
I never said it was simple, GD. You have to put effort in to get something out. I wish things could just come to us when we needed them but that's not how the world works. It's an unfair place. You have to get out there though and get what's yours. It takes effort and it takes time but it does work.
Tricking yourself into believing a fairy tale doesn't. It leaves you more vulnerable than ever when real life comes knocking at your door. Going it alone is a bad idea because nobody can handle everything. Everyone needs help at some point. People need friends, whether you still believe that or not.
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Pat, we're not actually saying we are really unstoppable gods amongst men, just that it helps if you imagine yourself as such.
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Also, you know who you remind me of?
A) Everyone betwen 13 - 16 on the internet ever.
B) "All In All, Just Bricks in the Wall".
However, for the latter, everyone has at somepoint hidden behind the wall. And it's not a good place to be.
Don't like the Wall analogy? Your fault for saying the word "Worm" and thus springing my memory.
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Pat, we're not actually saying we are really unstoppable gods amongst men, just that it helps if you imagine yourself as such.
Until when you try to strike someone down with a bolt of lightning. That looks awkward in public gatherings. Trust me on that.
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Pat, we're not actually saying we are really unstoppable gods amongst men, just that it helps if you imagine yourself as such.
Until when you try to strike someone down with a bolt of lightning. That looks awkward in public gatherings. Trust me on that.
I know, it's right up there with going up to statues of historical people and yelling "NOOOO!".
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Pat, we're not actually saying we are really unstoppable gods amongst men, just that it helps if you imagine yourself as such.
Until when you try to strike someone down with a bolt of lightning. That looks awkward in public gatherings. Trust me on that.
I know, it's right up there with going up to statues of historical people and yelling "NOOOO!".
Really?
I've done it alot, it's quite a normal thing.
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That... that was beautiful. Thanks, guys. You know what? You're right. I've been trying to live up to the me that I was 10 years ago! That just doesn't work. I may never have to post in this thread again. I'm going to get used to this, to who I am, not who I was as a toddler. I will make this work.
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A side note on some advice in this thread, becoming an egomaniac to gloss over your problems isn't really that good of an idea.
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Alternative theory: Octagonapus is having his first experience of teenage angst.
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B) "All In All, Just Bricks in the Wall".
Its my life
dun dadadun
don't you forgeeeet.
Its my life
It never eeeeeends.
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If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding? How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?
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Time to GoOo!
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If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding? How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?
There are many ways to get pudding while sidestepping the meat. For instance, buying a tub of pudding. Or, shaping the pudding into the shape of a lamb-shank, to decive those who think you need to eat meat.
My favourite is Tapioca. It is the best of all puddings.
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Why would you eat pudding rather than meat? ._.
Except it's raw meat, but that's digusting.
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All the pudding!
The only time meat is delicious is when supplemented with plenty of Bulls Eye sauce. Roughly a ratio of 3 parts sauce to 2 parts meat.
SO GOOD!
Or if it's breaded. Breaded meat is good too.
Hmm, I wonder what breaded pudding would be like?
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Pretty tasty
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_pudding
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Breaded, not bread.
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Exactly. Pudding surrounded by a decadent, crunchy shell.
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Deep fried pudding.
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On a stick and smothered in whipped cream and ketchup.
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And then deep fried again.
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Where the hell do you think you are, Scotland?
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Possibly, it IS the internet, after all.
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Where the hell do you think you are, Scotland?
In scotland that wouldn't be deep fried enough.
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Gary Coleman dies. (http://tv.msn.com/tv/article.aspx?news=502820>1=28101&silentchk=1&)
Famous for his role on the sitcom "Diff'rent Strokes" and his punchline "Whatcha' talkin' about Willis?"
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My bad news? A friend of mine has Lyme Disease and I don't know when he'll be getting better. Also, I've discovered that most of my friends are busy, nobody in the neighborhood trusts me enough to talk to me, and we're doing work at school. The only people who actually listen to me are my family and you guys, which may not last much longer. Pathetic, isn't it? Well, that's practically my whole life in a nutshell. Unless there's a Pokemon event or school or summer camp, I have almost no reason to actually leave my room ever. Don't I just seem like a pathetic, simpering, lifeless little worm to you?
You need a cookie.
Gary Coleman dies. (http://tv.msn.com/tv/article.aspx?news=502820>1=28101&silentchk=1&)
Famous for his role on the sitcom "Diff'rent Strokes" and his punchline "Whatcha' talkin' about Willis?"
And also naming "That Gary Coleman Thing"
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I heard he died of a stroke and some acquaintances said that was ironic (Different Strokes). I say nonsense. That's like someone who starred in ER dying in the emergency room.
And my life sometimes seems like sunshine and daisies compared to some things I see described. I don't have any really good friends either but I would say I'm pretty content in general. It's just the way you choose to see things. I was a depressed mess once too. It seems to be a teenager thing, and you can grow out of it.
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A great hero has fallen. (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/06/11/ap/national/main6571303.shtml) :(
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Psst, this isn't TV Tropes. Here's how you link:
[url=web address]Wibbly wobbly ball of timey wimey stuff[/url]
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In other news, my dad's car broke down. Engine's dead. Now I can't go back to Bowie State University for that prestigious program that I had to write an essay to get into unless I take a MARC train.
So much for that...
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Take the train then :P
DUUUUH. trains are good.
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Trains are the best!
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Yeah my train to and from work. I get tons of reading and finish tons of my DS games this way.
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Theres a dramatic police standoff going on over here.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/10582418.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/10582418.stm)
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Not to make light of a bad situation, but that cop with the taser is amazing.
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You know his face is going to get shopped all over the place.
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Quick, someone shop his face onto a pirate captain!
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He is going to taze him some bros.
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Here's to 100 page sof unbridled clinical depression!!! ;D Have some horrible/ (http://www.wired.com/listening_post/2008/05/survey-produced) music (http://www.wired.com/listening_post/2008/04/a-scientific-at/)!
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And now he is dead. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/10583839.stm)
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Way to go journalism. Totally disobeying what the police tell you and not scootching along a few miles.
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Bad. Just bad.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100710/ap_on_re_us/us_border_wrong_person
First the terror list on airports, and now this?
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100710/ap_on_re_us/us_border_wrong_person
First the terror list on airports, and now this?
It looks like the agents do this for the lulz.
There is no other reasonable possible explanation for this.
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http://www.helium.com/items/1882339-doomsday-how-bp-gulf-disaster-may-have-triggered-a-world-killing-event (http://www.helium.com/items/1882339-doomsday-how-bp-gulf-disaster-may-have-triggered-a-world-killing-event)
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Man, if 2012 turns out to be true I'm gonna look like such a goddamn tool.
I mean moreso than I already do. Which is horrifying.
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I don't wanna die!
Sometimes I wish I'd never been born at allllll!
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Well ****.
BP, if you destroy the world I'm gonna kick your ass.
Ah well, I'm far enough away from it that I won't be incinerated by the terrifying fire tsunamis. I'm confident enough in my ability to survive in a post-apocalyptic wasteland.
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If one nation survives the holocaust to come, it's going to be either the Australians or the Russians.
Well Isn't that dandy. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_gulf_oil_spill)
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Cause it worked so well the last 4 times.
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I don't wanna die!
Sometimes I wish I'd never been born at allllll!
*guitar*
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And if it doesn't occur, I guess you could say the danger was...
(http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/3333/horatio460.jpg)
Overblown.
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Oh Pat, you're the Brian May to my Freddy Mercury. :-*
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And if it doesn't occur, I guess you could say the danger was...
http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/3333/horatio460.jpg
Overblown.
That pun...
(http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/8312/yeaahl.jpg)
Didn't make much sense.
YEAAAH!
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Humans destroying themselves? Only one song for that...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxrWz9XVvls
This is the song I want playing when the world ends...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fjll6akwOzg
EDIT Or that article could be very wrong...
The studies haven't even been reviewed, and it does start to sound a little conspiracy-theory-y at one point.
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As great as the Eagles are, I'm more in favour of:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73dvrir5kig
HELL YEAH!
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I don't wanna die!
Sometimes I wish I'd never been born at allllll!
*guitar*
Oh man I wanted to make that joke.
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Debunked, I say: http://io9.com/5585294/methane-bubble-doomsday-story-debunked
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(http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/7302/mythbusted.gif)
Been waiting for an excuse to use this...
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(http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/7302/mythbusted.gif)
Been waiting for an excuse to use this...
Well, that isn't right.
Jamie's not nearly that big.
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This worries me. (http://www.news.com.au/national/creationists-hijack-lessons-and-teach-schoolkids-man-and-dinosaurs-walked-together/story-e6frfkvr-1225899497234)
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New research shows three in 10 Australians believe dinosaurs and man did exist at the same time.
A parent of a Year 5 student on the Sunshine Coast said his daughter was ostracised to the library after arguing with her scripture teacher about DNA.
"The scripture teacher told the class that all people were descended from Adam and Eve," he said.
"My daughter rightly pointed out, as I had been teaching her about DNA and science, that 'wouldn't they all be inbred'?
"But the teacher replied that DNA wasn't invented then."
Religious Nuts... (http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y234/OmegaMet/GOONS.gif)
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Saxton Hale would not be proud.
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Ironically the inbreeding explains this very situation.
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You realise that you are dissing yourself as much as anyone else with that quip, Lush?
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Yeah, but it works equally.
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You realise that you are dissing yourself as much as anyone else with that quip, Lush?
*brofist*? :3
"But the teacher replied that DNA wasn't invented then."
ಠ_ಠ
And you wonder why other countries aren't very fond of us. But I digress, I'm getting really sick of these ignorant creationists. Sure you're entitled to your opinions and beliefs, but damn it's hard to take their arguments seriously when articles like this hit the scene. I mean come on now.
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You are all poop.
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Ultramarine, for once that story wasn't from America. It was those damn ignorant Aussies this time! Down with those guys!
Also *brofist*
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But the rest of the world is supposed to be better than us! :O
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Didn't we make an image for ocassions such as this?
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Ultramarine, for once that story wasn't from America.
That's what I get for reading in between the lines :c still, them damn Aussies. Lets go to town on them, and then some.
*brofist*
ヽ(´ー｀)ﾉ yay!
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AUSTRALIA IS THE SPAWN OF SATAN
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This was in a Religious Education class. Creationism IS a part of some branches of Christianity, Judaism, and Islam, two of which are the biggest religions on the planet. It makes sense to teach it there.
It does not, however, make sense if they were calling it science. If a teacher has no answers that aren't retarded, their answer should be "I'll have to find out".
In short, this is BS, but it's BS teaching, not a BS curriculum.
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Actually it seems thethe curriculum in this school involves letting any yahoo come in and spout his or her veiws at the children. The idea trying to be representitives from many faithes come in and discuss their relgion to the students. In practice it clearly seems to be the Christians have booked all the classes so they can come in to indoctorinate the kiddlets. The prinipal seems to have no issue with this.
While I would love to have been able to have been in that class room when that religious teacher tried claiming DNA hadn't been invented yet the fact is after hearing such stupid comment I would have been compeltely doubled over with laughter and unable to respond.
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And so, one rotten egg inflated the issue to make all the others look bad.
If we use extremists like this as a basis for judging everyone in the demographic they belong in, everyone on Earth would be considered an overzealous idiot.
Yet that is exactly what the majority of humans do, thus explaining my lack of trust in humanity.
Disgusting.
In short, this is BS, but it's BS teaching, not a BS curriculum.
Indeed.
Every side should just really keep to themselves when it comes to teaching children, as they really aren't the best source of informed consent when it comes to these kind of issues.
Then again, even adults are just overgrown children that aren't even capable of leading their own lives without ruining the crap out of it.
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Yuu, did you do that on purpose?
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Scientists say that the fearsome three-horned triceratops dinosaur may have never existed.
New research is leading scientists to believe that the triceratops was just a young version of a different dinosaur known as a torosauras.
Doctors Jack Horner and John Scannella at the Museum of the Rockies analyzed skulls from dinosaurs that had been classified as triceratops and torosaurus and both animals had three horns but at different angles.
This research appeared in the Journal of Vertebrate Paleontology and says that the neck frill and horns changed shape as the animal aged because they would not harden until the dinosaur was an adult.
Scientists say all torosaurus specimens will now be re-classified as triceratops.
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This is Blues?
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It would have been blues if the triceratops didn't exist, but they're reclasiffying the other one, so everything is good.
Otherwise, this would ahve been just like when Pluto lost planet status.
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I'm guessing it is like what happened with the Bronto/Apatosaurus. Apato was the origional name so when they were discovered to be the same species Apato was recognised as the official name.
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It seems a good way to not confuse the public, really.
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I could only imagine how people would react. :P
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I'm guessing it is like what happened with the Bronto/Apatosaurus. Apato was the origional name so when they were discovered to be the same species Apato was recognised as the official name.
They were? I thought they were still two different dinosaurs. My whole world has been turned upside down.
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Actually they were the same. Bronto was just put together wrong.
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Yep check it out (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apatosaurus#Classification_and_species).
I wonder if that means if I discover a dinosaur would I get to name it Brontosaurus.
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My whole world has been turned upside down.
(http://a.imageshack.us/img715/7480/nostrauliacritic2.jpg)
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This pretty much happens all the time in this branch (and many more) of paleontology.
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This is rather troubling. (http://io9.com/5610328/how-the-googleverizon-proposal-could-kill-the-internet-in-5-years?skyline=true&s=i)
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That article barely made sense and just made the author sound stupidly paranoid.
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Yeah. Havn't they been talking about the end of the internet since pretty much the beginning of the internet?
Besides, if google is such an advocate of net-neutrality, I find it odd that they would agree to something that would kill it.
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They're a billion dollar corporation, hypocrisy is in their DNA.
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Yeah, if you read the framework proposal linked at the top of that article (it's only two pages), it says nothing about a "public internet". It's entirely reasonable and actually seems pro-net neutrality.
Article's paranoid. Maybe not unjustifiably so in general, but definitely overly so in this case.
Also, I'm right-leaning myself, but all the mentions of how it's talking about keeping Republicans and Conservatives off the internet? That made me slightly suspicious.
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Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but doesn't this part of the proposal specifically prohibit prioritising internet traffic?
Non-Discrimination Requirement: In providing broadband Internet access service, a provider
would be prohibited from engaging in undue discrimination against any lawful Internet content,
application, or service in a manner that causes meaningful harm to competition or to users.
Prioritization of Internet traffic would be presumed inconsistent with the non-discrimination
standard, but the presumption could be rebutted.
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Basically she made up some thing about the 'public internet' and then used it as a flimsy argument to try and say google and verizon were going to do everything they just said they weren't going to in an article she linked too.
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Why would Google oppose net neutrality? Isn't that, like, what their entire business is based on? >.>
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This strangly reminds me of the Arizona immigration law.
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It also draws many parallels to the Holocaust.
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I'd like a middle option. If the corporates are gonna slow my connection over a rival company, this sort of tyrrany must be dirt cheap.
In a lighter note, there will be more options.
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In a lighter note, there will be more options.
As an example: Smoke Signals to replace forums.
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The entire thing's just so messed up. (http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=11457944)
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I don't know how the situation unfolded, but could the sniper have taken the shot earlier?
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Same thing on my mind.
I mean, the guy was completely exposed while he was standing just in front of the exit. Judging from the geography of the place, they could have neutralized him from like, any of the thousands of bushes that were lying all over the place.
I suspect the OIC was just a giant impatient prick, aggressively taking the suspect's brother in while it was being broadcast on live television. I mean, anyone would go insane if that happened to them while they were in the suspect's shoes.
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I blame it on ineffectual bureaucracy. They may be annoying jerks, but coordinating strikes like this is a work of art that saves lives.
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In that case, Barbarossa would look like Da Vinci compared to what they did, unfortunately.
Raiding an enclosed area [a bus] without even wearing gas masks? Seriously?
And dragging the captor's brother in live television?
Their negotiator is... ugh...
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Nevermind the response, I always enjoyed the logic behind the aggressors in situations like these :
"I want my job back with the police. I will hold hostages, surely that will improve my chances!"
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I was thinking the same thing. What did he think would happen?
He probably wasn't in his right mind.
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If he thought taking hostages was a good idea he can't have been a particularly good police officer to begin with.
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The guy was upset, depressed, and likely looking for a way out. His life was without meaning, so he probably figured he'd get some purpose back or die trying.
In any case, it was irrational but not exactly unprecedented. Only thing that's bad here is the poor response by the intervening officers.
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Man, this guy's nuts. (http://www.baynews9.com/article/news/2010/september/148419/Gainesville-minister-still-planning-Quran-burning)
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And once more, the action of this one man automatically merits the indignation of the entire Islamic community against all Americans as a whole. >_>
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And once more, the action of this one man automatically merits the indignation of the entire Islamic community against all Americans as a whole. >_>
Oh the irony...I can taste it.
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This guy is a classic example of an attention whore.
The whole time this has been in the news, I've been wondering one thing. Why in the hell is this in the news? If the national media didn't pick up the story, there wouldn't be a threat of international backlash or a danger to our troops. It'd just be some nut down in Florida with a bad choice of bonfire fuel.
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The guy is trying to 'strike back at Islam,' right?
I'm not advocating this by any means, but...isn't book burning ineffectual? They'll just get more, and get mad. If he wanted to 'get back at them', he'd propose actual terrorism against the people he sees as terrorists, the Muslims.
Basically he would support murder.
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The guy's not planning it as a "strike back at radical Islam", he's doing it because of the NYC Mosque. He just doesn't want to say that because it'd make him look like an idiot.
That said, the guy clearly doesn't represent all Americans and the very fact that people are so cautious and worried proves he's right. If Muslims as a whole group could be treated like any other religion, this'd just come off as offensive and pointless. The very fact that people are worried about worsening international relations and that people might be hurt and that America as a whole may be frowned upon for this shows... Well, something, really.
I can guarantee a guy planning to burn a bunch of Bibles or Torahs or [Insert Buddhist or Hindu text of your choice] wouldn't get too much coverage in the US (except if done in response to this). Sure, they might be a blip on the local news, but no-one would get nervous and there'd not be this huge media response across the nation. No-one would say "Oh, this guy better be careful or we might ruin relations with [Insert nation of your choice]."
I agree that what the guy's doing is a bit ridiculous because he's not doing it for anything resembling the right reasons. However, the very fact that people are this worried about what he's doing shows that he's got a point, somewhere.
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Where you burn books, you one day burn bodies.
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Guys a nut, book burning is bad, however theres a point to be made about freedom of speech or militant islam or something.
That about sums up my thoughts on the issue.
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I agree that burning books is immoral but it happens all the time, along with the defilement of holy icons in general ("Piss Christ", anyone?), but they rarely get this level of news coverage or have people saying how "troops might suffer for this".
There's a point here to be made. The guy should frankly have held a Draw Mohammad Day, though. Burning the Qur'an is offensive to all Muslims, not just the ones he intends to piss off.
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Where you burn books, you one day burn bodies.
So they're going to build a cemetary with a crematory where his church is now? Okay, if you say so.
Also, he's said the koran burning is off. Because a florida imam promised him the imam in NYC would move the mosque to somewhere else. Except the Imam in New York didn't know a thing about it and has refused twice to move the mosque. So the pastor is flying to NYC tomorrow to meet with...someone? The story isn't over yet. I think he's going to try to burn a koran at Ground Zero.
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Eh, people are dicks. Best thing you can do is make sure you're the smallest dick you can be.
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Yeah, that's what every guy wants to hear. ::)
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T-they tell me that all the time. Is that bad? :(
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No Pat, it's not the size of the boat, it's the motion of the ocean. ;)
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Check your Email, Pat, I just sent something I think might help.
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Are you from Nigeria?
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Why of course. I'd be grateful for any assistance rendered.
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Why of course. I'd be grateful for any assistance rendered.
I'll be sure to send you the difference.
No Pat, it's not the size of the boat, it's the motion of the ocean. ;)
Also, I get seasick rather quickly.
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No Pat, it's not the size of the boat, it's the motion of the ocean. ;)
Also, I get seasick rather quickly.
There is a pill for that too.
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*is grateful for medical science*
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No Pat, it's not the size of the boat, it's the motion of the ocean. ;)
Only an idiot sets sail in a dinghy.
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No Pat, it's not the size of the boat, it's the motion of the ocean. ;)
Only an idiot sets sail in a dinghy.
Yeah but I bet it's fun to bang in.
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Penis.
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Back to the topic at hand I seriously hope those involved in building to Community center/Mosque don't cancel thier plans due to this wack job.
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