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Title: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: SBD on October 03, 2006, 07:54:18 am
I have around $1200 right now and when i have enough I'll be getting a new pc. Right now a couple of the scorptec models are looking good, so i want to know if anyone had/has any issues with theirs.

www.scorptec.com.au (http://www.scorptec.com.au)
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Danzik on October 03, 2006, 02:10:42 pm
At a glance, those look to be rather overpriced. 
Which model are you looking at?

I really only replied to this post to tell your avatar is hideous.
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Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: SBD on October 04, 2006, 12:51:09 am
The Hornet Gold (http://www.scorptec.com.au/system/80), although im a bit worried 'cos the only proccessor I can afford to get (the standard one) runs at 1.83ghz. Too me this seems awfully slow for a current proccessor, let alone a dual-core.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Ben7el on October 04, 2006, 04:54:13 am
You're getting scammed, you can get a Dell E520 with A better processer, and 2 gigs of ram for more then 200 cheaper, which you can use to buy 1900 Gt, which is a better video card. You also get a 19 inch Ultrasharp moniter, which is a good one (from my experience)

BTW, a Core 2 Due processer running at 1.83 gh is faster then a Pentium D at 3.4 Gh, and cheaper

(Link for 1900 Gt)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102022

Edit: and the dell comes with windows installed, so you don't need to spend another 120 just for the OS
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Ben7el on October 04, 2006, 05:03:20 am
Double post

I noticed you only had $1200


You can get a cheaper Dell for $1100 with the same stats and just buy a X1600xt (Buy from newegg, the Sapphire one) for 100 and you would have a pretty nice system

What do you want your computer for anyway?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: SBD on October 04, 2006, 05:41:54 am
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What do you want your computer for anyway?

Gaming. Nothing else. the one im using now is the family pc, and has the same specifications of a dog poo in a beige box. With the same number of bugs. I would get a 360, but for some reason my parents won't let me get a console.  ??? ??? ???

Also, aren't Dells impossible to upgrade? and are those prices in US$ or AUS$? and Im  gonna wait until Vista comes out, by which time I should have around $1800.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Ben7el on October 04, 2006, 10:19:05 am
Nope, I'm running on a Dell that came with a X300SE(Suckyest Edition) and is now on a X1600 XT, I don't see why Dells would be 'impossible' to upgrade, they might be harder because of strange sizes on some parts, not sure if thats true though. You might want to go with a Dell XPS 400 with the E6600 Processer, 2 gigs of DDR2 Ram, 320 GB harddrive and the lowest video card and then get a ATi 1900 XT (258 mb version). With one year insurence it totals to (Including the 1900 XT) $1700.

it might not be the best idea to get a Dx10 card yet because they have MASSIVE power requriments and a 1900 Xt will last you 2 years at least.


I'm using US$
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on October 04, 2006, 12:20:05 pm
If you want a good gaming PC that gets bang for the buck, try to get yourself into a "I want to build this computer" kind of mood.

You can build something better than most of those packages and for a better price too.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: BlessedBullet on October 04, 2006, 05:51:49 pm
"Build it yourself" will get you the absolute most bang for the buck... especially since you're not paying anyone to do it right and guarantee that it's right for a year or more.

I've heard mixed reviews on http://www.ibuypower.com.  They have a lot of bang for the buck but their service can be real bad.  I've also heard they're late a lot on their shipments.  They're cheap but you get what you pay for...

http://www.tigerdirect.com has some nice barebone kits.  What's nice about the kits is that you build it yourself (so it's cheaper) but a lot of the decisions have been made for you so you don't have to spend a lot of time researching compatibility.  They're typically not complete so you can rip off parts off your old machine to save money or buy specific parts that suit your needs (like video cards) 

Dells are very upgradable.  However, changing the motherboard will void your warranty.  Anything else like the video card is fair game. 
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on October 04, 2006, 06:17:17 pm
I should add, building it yourself only really becomes worth it if you are going for fairly high end. (Since a lot of those parts are not sold in packages)

For anything else though, Dell and other companies will undercut you at every corner. Plus they nearly include the Operating System which is a killer if you don't already have one...


Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Fade2gray on October 04, 2006, 10:11:38 pm
I should add, building it yourself only really becomes worth it if you are going for fairly high end. (Since a lot of those parts are not sold in packages)

This can be true if you don't know where to get your parts. A lot of the brick n' mortar stores will way over mark the price for each part, which can quickly inflate the end price of your PC. However, many online stores will give you good prices, and the larger ones will often give you good shipping prices. Here in the US I personally like Newegg, but if you're in another country I'm pretty sure you can find something similar where you are.
Building your own PC is definitly worth it, even if you spend the same amount as you would for a pre-built, because it will give you a huge boost of confidence with computers, and it gives you a new skill you can stick on your resume! :P
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: SBD on October 04, 2006, 10:30:32 pm
Ok, I have thought about building my own pc from scratch, but I know nothing about compatibility or how to put together a pc. The most complicated thing ive done is installing a new dvd drive.

Now that i think of it, i could probably get a lot of help from the IT blokes at school, cos they know me fairly well.

Does anyone know of a "for dummies" or "idiots guide" book on building pcs?

And please try to keep prices in Australian dollars.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Manna on October 04, 2006, 11:39:17 pm
Are you in Sydney? I'll put it together for you...for a small fee  ;)

Nah I dont usually put comps together for other people because if I DO break something (and I never have but if it'd be just my luck that this time the screwdriver WOULD go through the CPU!) then I'd feel terrible about it coz I couldn't replace it for you.

If you can work out what you want beforehand and live in NSW, the computer fair is a good place to get some really cheap hardware. Haggle with 'em too, they usually drop a bit off the price if you make it clear you do this sort of thing often.

I haven't checked but http://www.tomshardware.com/ might have some info on how to build comps, if not they're a great resource for figuring out what you want.

Otherwise, just dont buy anything OEM and everything will come with a manual on how to put it together. Even if you found a book on how to put it together the manual is still the best source when it comes to MOBO's etc.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: c14dude on October 05, 2006, 12:02:57 am
i wouldn't get a pc just yet man, keep saving and wait for DX10 and vista.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Manna on October 05, 2006, 12:06:14 am
What if his PC cant play spore? you're gonna make him WAIT? What about Oblivion? Obliiiiiivion!
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: c14dude on October 05, 2006, 12:17:17 am
vista is gonna be out before spore.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: SBD on October 05, 2006, 01:58:31 am
I probably won't have enough for a decent computer until Vista comes out anyway.

I live in perth by the way, which sucks cos all the expos and good computer places are in the eastern states. Go the Eagles!
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on October 05, 2006, 12:09:10 pm
This can be true if you don't know where to get your parts. A lot of the brick n' mortar stores will way over mark the price for each part, which can quickly inflate the end price of your PC. However, many online stores will give you good prices, and the larger ones will often give you good shipping prices. Here in the US I personally like Newegg, but if you're in another country I'm pretty sure you can find something similar where you are.
Building your own PC is definitly worth it, even if you spend the same amount as you would for a pre-built, because it will give you a huge boost of confidence with computers, and it gives you a new skill you can stick on your resume! :P

I have to disagree.

Unless you are spending serious cash on a computer, companies like Dell or HP or Mac will undercut anything you can put together because of the contracts they have with hardware and software manufacturers.


The only time you can beat them is when you build High End because they will grossly overcharge on those things since not many people buy them.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Manna on October 05, 2006, 03:32:13 pm
I dislike buying dell and particularly HP because they have a tendency to be very difficult to upgrade. They'd prefer you threw the old one out and buy a new one.

Also, dell computers are very very good at dying body and soul just after the 4 year warranty runs out. I've worked in situations where they were still using the computers after the warranty and within 2 months 26 of the 30 comps had some part that needed replacing to make them work again. The computers I built myself are all still running. I trust the hardware I buy myself a lot mre than I trust dell's.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Fade2gray on October 05, 2006, 05:08:14 pm
I have to disagree.

Unless you are spending serious cash on a computer, companies like Dell or HP or Mac will undercut anything you can put together because of the contracts they have with hardware and software manufacturers.


The only time you can beat them is when you build High End because they will grossly overcharge on those things since not many people buy them.

On price alone the pre-built comps will usually win. But what are you getting for that price? A bunch of no-name parts that are only in that box because they won out as the lowest-bidders, not because their parts are all that good or reliable. And what do those companies care if your machine craps out? You'll just end up paying for repairs and upgrades in an endless cycle that favors them, not you. By building your own you know what’s in there. You get exactly what you want, deciding where to spend and where to cut back.

As far as learning the basic skills goes. It can feel rather daunting at first. Personally, I had no one around me to give me any help or advice so I had to rely almost entirely on advice I got from people in forums and from a book I bought on E-bay called "Building the Perfect PC" by Robert Thompson. That particular book is a bit dated by now but it still has the basics. I'm pretty sure there are better books out there now, but if you can't find one then that one should be decent. Your best place to start though would be by talking to a real human being who knows what they're talking about.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on October 05, 2006, 06:34:36 pm
You people have far too little respect for the Dell built computer.

They work well, they have okay support, and they are all most people need.


Just because you know how to build a computer and know how to make a good one does not mean you have suddenly hit a point where your crap smells like roses compared to Dell.


It is economics, a single person can not beat out a Dell deal on a mid to low range computer, and Dell makes a pretty good computer at a very competitive price.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Manna on October 05, 2006, 06:41:39 pm
Of course they do, I'm just saying their hardware breaks almost exacrly when the warrenty runs out and they're pretty difficult to upgrade when they've just welded the hard drives to the side of the case and have their own custom power buttons n' stuff and...yeh
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on October 05, 2006, 06:45:45 pm
I think that you either have bad luck or are buying into that "I can build a computer myself" superiority complex that oh so many of us seem to have when it comes to companies like Dell.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Manna on October 05, 2006, 06:51:32 pm
**shrugs** I've worked in a lot of companies that buy nothing but dell. I've seen a lot of dell computers break. At uni, the department of edumacation buildings, a bunch of game companies and even here in our computer graveyard. I just dont trust dell.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Fade2gray on October 05, 2006, 06:51:38 pm
Yes, its simple economics. You have to decide to either
A) Spend less money and a lot less time to get a pre-built mystery box and be entirely reliant on someone else to fix it if something goes wrong
Or
B) Spend a little more money and fair bit more time researching and building your own computer with parts you chose and feel are reliable, and be solely responsible if something goes wrong.

I can understand why most people go with option A. In our society you very rarely make anything yourself. Most people don't even realize they CAN build anything on their own. Most people feel that it’s much better to purchase an inferior product and throw it away for a new one when something goes wrong. This attitude for most people caries over to PCs. If that’s how you chose to approach PC ownership that fine, it’s your choice. I personally prefer option B and enjoy encouraging others to do the same. Even if most of the people I talk to still chose option A, at the very least they know that there IS another option and that it has its own set of pros and cons.


Anyways, Back on to SBD's situation. Does anyone know a good online parts store that he could use if he decides to build his own. From the link he give I'm guessing hes in Australia, so a parts store based there would probably be best for him.

Edit #2: Well, I did a little research and it turns out that there really is a "Building a PC for Dummies" and they're on Vol. 4.
Here's a link to the Amazon (US) Page (If I'm not suposed to link to stores then just tell me and I'll take it down)
http://www.amazon.com/Building-Dummies-Fourth-Mark-Chambers/dp/0764542478
And here's the other book I recamended earlier. Aparently they have a new edition out.
http://www.amazon.com/Building-Perfect-PC-Robert-Thompson/dp/0596526865/sr=1-2/qid=1160103189/ref=pd_bbs_2/102-6055191-7620928?ie=UTF8&s=books
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: SBD on October 05, 2006, 11:32:23 pm
the thing I'm most worried about is frying a $300 video card with static or something. I also have no idea how to do the BIOS thing either.

but i should be ok during actual assembly. I've used soldering irons plenty of times before, and actualy installing parts can't be that much  harder then installing dvd drives and fiddeling with RC helicopter controllers, can it?

has anyone seen The IT Crowd on abc? best show I've seen in a while.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Manna on October 05, 2006, 11:35:30 pm
You wont need a soldering iron. The hardest part is getting the CPU on the mobo and getting the thermal paste spread evenly IMO.

as for static, just touch the side of your case or your power supply before touching the hardware to ground yourself.

The BIOS will set itself up, the only thing you may need to do is just jump in and tell it where your HDD are on the IDE cables but its usually on auto by default so with a bit of luck it'll sort that out too.

Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: c14dude on October 05, 2006, 11:40:01 pm
i say get a grounder braclet, best $8 i spent, its so much easyer
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: SBD on October 06, 2006, 12:03:09 am
yeah. I've heard of those. Don't you plug it into the mains or something?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Fade2gray on October 06, 2006, 08:04:47 am
The BIOS will set itself up, the only thing you may need to do is just jump in and tell it where your HDD are on the IDE cables but its usually on auto by default so with a bit of luck it'll sort that out too.

Even that little bit can be easily avoided just by using an SATA drive. Slightly fast and more user friendly in my opinion. They used to cost a noticable bit more and be harder to find, but last time I checked on line I noticed that there were quite a few more available and that the prices had been dropping. Also, almost every Mother Board out there has SATA conectors on it now.

Well, just so you know what you'd be getting into SBD, here is a list of the major parts you'll need. (I'll probably forget something so please fill in the gaps if I do)
CPU (Central Processing Unit)
Mother Board
GPU (A.K.A. Video Card) (Some Mother Boards have built in video and sound, the video is usualy really bad so don't use it, some people also say using the sound bogs the computer down)
Memory
HDD (Harddrive)
CD/DVD Rom
Case
PSU (Power Supply Unit) (Edit:Depending on what case you chose this is sometimes included, though the quity of included PSUs can sometimes be suspect)
*Optional*
Sound Card
Floppy drive (why get caught with your pants down I say)
Edit: Heatsink (one usually comes with the CPU but they're usually not that good)
Edit: Case Fans (Again these sometimes come with Cases, and again included fans can sometimes be of suspect quality)
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on October 06, 2006, 12:19:44 pm
Grounding something is very very easy. My computer is grounded right now (See: PatMan Curse).

All you need to do get an alligator clip and clip it onto the metal part of the case. Run a wire from the alligator clip and wrap the other end around a copper pipe (They should either be in the wall or ceiling). Copper pipes are always grounded.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Fade2gray on October 06, 2006, 02:30:04 pm
How does that ground you though? You still run the risk of shocking your computer parts inadvertantly if you don't do something like touching a metal object yourself.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: c14dude on October 06, 2006, 02:40:34 pm
a grounder braclet go's around your wrist, and the other end clips on the pc
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: SBD on October 08, 2006, 01:26:49 am
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Well, just so you know what you'd be getting into SBD, here is a list of the major parts you'll need.
geez, i'm not a complete moron.  :P ;)
Has anyone been to Arrow Computers in Perth? Are they any good?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on October 08, 2006, 11:00:03 am
How does that ground you though? You still run the risk of shocking your computer parts inadvertantly if you don't do something like touching a metal object yourself.

No you do not.

Trust me. As long as the case is grounded any charge you may accidently send into the case will go right into the copper pipes and harmlessly into the ground outside your house.


Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Fade2gray on October 08, 2006, 11:22:50 am
How does that ground you though? You still run the risk of shocking your computer parts inadvertantly if you don't do something like touching a metal object yourself.

No you do not.

Trust me. As long as the case is grounded any charge you may accidently send into the case will go right into the copper pipes and harmlessly into the ground outside your house.

That still doesn't stop you from shocking your coputer parts while installing them.

geez, i'm not a complete moron.  :P ;)
Sorry. I wasn't sure how extensive your knowledge of a computer's innards was.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on October 08, 2006, 11:25:24 am
Oh, I thought you were talking about just keeping your computer safe. :D


Here is what you do during installation: Wear shoes.

Also try not to do it on a floor with carpet.

Feel free to touch a copper pipe before you start.

 ;)
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Fade2gray on October 08, 2006, 11:30:06 am
Sorry for the misunderstanding. He’s probably heard more about ground then he ever wanted to know by now!  :P  :D
I think your advice about rounds out that topic.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: SBD on October 09, 2006, 03:06:01 am
actually, I heard enough about grounding during physics in term 3. Man, we only have 4 weeks to finish Movement and do all of Nuclear Technology.

Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Fade2gray on October 09, 2006, 07:12:17 pm
actually, I heard enough about grounding during physics in term 3. Man, we only have 4 weeks to finish Movement and do all of Nuclear Technology.

As odd as this may sound, I unfortunately don't have much advice in the field of Nuclear Technology. However if there's anything else you'd like to know about Computer building I'm sure I, or someone else here, would be glad to help in that particular field! ;D :P
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: SBD on October 20, 2006, 07:23:01 pm
y'no, I figured if i hadn't brought a psp (which i never use) or a rc helicopter I would almost have enough for a decent computer. 
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: SBD on December 16, 2006, 01:49:18 am
Sorry for double posting and necrobumping, but a recent event has prompted me to kick-start this post. My mum has offered
to lend me enough money so that I have $1400 to buy a new pc, and I'm gonna see if I can get this raised to 1500.
So if anyone knows of any good Australian websites or good pc places in Perth, please tell me about them. I'll go to Arrow computers and this local place next week.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Fade2gray on December 16, 2006, 09:22:27 pm
I did a quick search of the Australian Google and came up with these. I only did a quick skim of them to see if they at least looked half way decent but, seeing as how I'm in the US, I've never bought anything from any of these places so I can't vouch for their reliability. I also know next to nothing about the Australian dollar so I can't tell how good the prices are at any of these places. But at least this is a place to start.

http://www.eyo.com.au/

http://www.lmc.com.au/obs/website/index.php

http://www.i-tech.com.au/

http://www.techbuy.com.au/

P.S. After looking at each sight a little closer I've found the last site (TechBuy) to be the most user friendly and to have a decent selection.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: SBD on December 17, 2006, 01:48:56 am
Thanks Fade2grey. Techbuy is proving usefull for figuring out what I can afford. Unfortunately, its not as much as I hoped.  :(
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: SBD on December 18, 2006, 10:15:18 pm
Sorry for double posting again, but I've found a computer that, should nothing better come, buy tommorrow:

AMD AM2 Dual Core 3800+ Proccessor
1gig of DDR2 ram
250gig SATA hard drive (I think 7500rpm)
256meg 7600GT video card.
and a 17inch ,8ms monitor.

the system costs roughly $1550.
please tell me I'm not being ripped off.



EDIT: Thats it no, more bets; I just paid for half of the computer today, and with any luck it should be ready tommorrow!  I've already brought Oblivion and Farcry. now all I have to do is convince my mum to let me buy some surround sound speakers.

EDIT EDIT: The reason I haven't been on for the past week is because I've been playing Oblivion! my new computer in really great and everthing runs fine (oblivion slows down somewhat when there is heaps of grass, but thankfully this is rare) and it hasn't crashed yet. I brought medival 2 today.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: LadyM on March 15, 2007, 09:31:38 pm
This thread looks as good as any to post my question.

Which is better?
AMD® Athlon 64 X2 5000+ AM2   OR   AMD Athlon 64 FX62 5400+ AM2?
There doesn't appear to be much difference.

Thanks
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: SBD on March 16, 2007, 07:24:11 pm
Well from the AMD site, the 5000+ runs at 2.6Ghz and has a 1Mg cache, while the FX-62 runs at 2.8Ghz and has a 2Mg cache. I really don't know what the cache does but either way the FX-62 is better.

I still reckon we should sticky this and make it a general hardware/upgrading topic.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Fatalfist on March 16, 2007, 07:26:27 pm
the biggist difference is probly the price :)
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Didero on March 17, 2007, 02:56:12 am
Well from the AMD site, the 5000+ runs at 2.6Ghz and has a 1Mg cache, while the FX-62 runs at 2.8Ghz and has a 2Mg cache. I really don't know what the cache does but either way the FX-62 is better.

I still reckon we should sticky this and make it a general hardware/upgrading topic.
CPU cache is a small amount of very fast, but expensive memory close to the CPU, that the CPU uses to store some values it needs again soon. The bigger the cache, the less the CPU has to write data to the RAM, and the faster it is. I don't know exactly how much difference it makes, but more is better :)
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on March 17, 2007, 07:52:33 am
The CPU Cache amounts change like regular memory amounts change.

1, 2, 4, 8, etc...


And as Didero said, even though the difference is small, it makes a huge difference.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Danzik on March 17, 2007, 11:57:51 am
Defiantly the  AMD Athlon 64 FX62 5400+ AM2 for performance.  However considering the rather large price difference, I'd say go with the 5000+
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Slartibartfast on April 07, 2007, 01:35:55 am
My girlfriend told me she is getting one of her computer savvy friends to build me a computer for my birthday.
Her parts budget is $1000, but I'm willing to kick in 2-3 hundred.   
I'm supposed to met with them Sunday and tell them what my requirements are, but I'm a computer illiterate.
What should I tell them?   ???

This is the price estimate list her friend gave her:
Case $60 without power supply
Power Supply $30
Floppy $12
DVD (2) $60
Dual Core Motherboard $200
Cooling Fans $80
Soundcard $40
Video Graphics card $200
Harddrive $70
Ram $160

Note: She has seperate budget for peripherals and the monitor.

I intend to play Spore and a MMORPG (either WoW or Age of Conan), but I want to be able to play whatever I want for, at least, the next two years without worrying about it.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Celdur on April 07, 2007, 03:47:23 am
why cant i have a girlfriend like that?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: SBD on April 07, 2007, 03:59:13 am
Why can't Ladym sticky this thread already?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: LadyM on April 08, 2007, 06:14:40 am
Why can't Ladym sticky this thread already?

Because she forgot. SBD asked that this thread be stickied for all of us who need help and advice in buying a new PC or upgrading our current one.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on April 08, 2007, 07:07:49 am
Could you do a trade then?

You sticky one thread and unsticky another?



Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: SBD on April 11, 2007, 03:47:07 am
You know you've made it when one of your threads get stickied.  ;D
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Slartibartfast on April 11, 2007, 04:41:25 am
That reminds me; thanks for the help
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Solaren on April 15, 2007, 02:41:11 pm
Ok, here's where I am.  I'm definitely getting a gaming laptop.  Yes, I know all the problem inherent with that, but it's what I'm doing.  Due to heat restrictions and whatnot I'm getting a 17"er.  From what I've read about the nvidia geforce go 7950 vs the ati mobile radeon mx1800, I'm probably going to go with an nvidia machine. (if someone here is wiser than I in this area and wishes to convince me otherwise, I'm ready to learn).
That brings me to the last part.  the geforce has an additional option that isn't available on the radeon and that is, 256mb vs 512mb.  My question is this:  I've been told that 512 really is overkill and not necessary, although logically it should be better.  What can I actually do with a 512 that a 256 won't handle?  Should I go the extra expense for the 512 or just go with the 256?

This machine is going to need to last an absolute minimum of 2 years and preferably 3+.  That's how long my desktop lasted and I can't upgrade it any more because of the board (I went middle of the road those years ago).
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: LadyM on April 15, 2007, 02:51:50 pm
I game on a laptop and I have an HP Pavillion with AMD Athlon 64 3500+ with an ATI Radeon Xpress 200 series and 2G of ram. It's now about a year and a half old. The video card cannot handle KOTOR but it will handle everything else just fine. I think Nvidia is the way to go if you can get it. If you can afford to get the top model with the better card and memory, I would do that. You can't change the video card later so you should get the best you can. I would also get the most memory you can. That way your prepared for whatever comes out in the next 3 years. They other advice I have is to get the biggest hard drive you can. I had 100 GB and I have 10 GB left. I wish I had triple that. Hope that helps a little.

I'm going to merge this with the thread in the sticky list since it is for computer buying advice.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Solaren on April 16, 2007, 03:48:20 am
Right now I'm eyeing a prostar 5724.  It seems to have better specs than a dell m1710 at higher cost ($2700 vs $3400).  I'm going 100gb 7200 hd simply because we have a few 300+ gb hd's lying aroung the house, so long time storage isn't an issue and that seem to be my biggest space problem.  When I'm done playing a game, I can uninstall everything but the saves anyway to be safe if I plan on whipping it back out again.  The only thing bugging me on the machine is, that while it's configured with a 512mb geforce go 7950gtx, it still said that the machine had 256mb video memory.  I'm hoping that this is just an inconsistency on the website.  If it isn't, what does this mean?  I obviously don't know as much about video as I thought I did.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: LadyM on April 16, 2007, 05:34:22 am
I really don't know that much about video cards myself but I just upgraded my desktop with a video card that has 512mb DDR and they said that was best. Most of what I know is just experience of using a laptop for gaming for the last two years and what I wish I had vs. what I do have.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Solaren on April 16, 2007, 03:51:44 pm
Is there a difference between video card memory and video memory?  When I go to pro-star.com and click to compare the 5724 and 9191 models, both have nVidia GeForece Go 7950 GTX as an option and you can it the 512mb variety on both machines.  But right under that, under video memory, the 5724 says 256MB DDR3 and the 9191 says 512MB DDR3, I don't get it.
Other than that, the only differences between the models that I might care about is a 667 bus on the 5724 vs 1066 for the 9191 and the maximum upgradeable ram for the 9191 4096mb and only 2815 for the 5724.  Neither of these are enough to make me spend the extra.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Markonite2 on April 23, 2007, 01:25:45 pm
Okay...
 
1)  i want a uber gaming computer (not too uber) and dell has a monthly pay plan. This interests me because i currently have $30 and make 400 a month. So instead of buying nothing else for a year or two i can just pay in many small $60 increments.

2)  Alienware also appears to have this type of a payment plan. Is there any other company/distributor that i can go with? Which company is better? At the moment ive only looked at dell, but i dont really like dell so im thinking of going with alienware. Ive seen a couple more but they seem out of my budget of $3500 and can't be paid for monthly.

There are only a few more months before spore and a couple of other uber games come out so i need some help. Plus im going to get garrys mod and what a fast system to run it. Please help me.

p.s. : I like windows and microsoft
P.s. again. : i'm sorry that my i's arent capitalized. im used to word and just subconsciously cant do it.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: SBD on April 24, 2007, 02:18:08 am
Defininetly go for Alienware. Theres no such thing as an uber Dell gaming computer, even though they have some quite good systems. Alienware however are a specialised gaming company so they know what they're talking about.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Djfinny on April 25, 2007, 01:25:24 pm
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Theres no such thing as an uber Dell gaming computer, even though they have some quite good systems. Alienware however are a specialised gaming company so they know what they're talking about.

Really completely can't agree with you there.  I own a blazing fast Dell XPS (Gen 5) system and I'm very happy with it.  It's almost 1.5 years old and I can run pretty much everything still at high detail.  I had a bad RAM chip about 3 months after I bought it, and they sent out another stick and I was back and running again.  I will say say that Dell's customer support is a bit slow and sometimes difficult to get a hold of.  But if you don't want to build your own PC and want it for a pretty decent price, (I paid about 2k for a top end system) maybe Dells for you.  BTW - Dell is the 1st PC I've actually bought complete (except no monitor).  All my other PC's I've built myself (Newegg!) I'm just at a point in my life that I have the $$ but don't have the time to do the old research/buy/build/update/install thing anymore.

With that being said - my best friend owns a top-end (at the time) Alienware PC.  It's about 3.5 years old and is finally starting to really show it's age. However, he absolutely LOVES this system and I can say, I can't blame him. It's just really well made, very fast PC - and he's had ZERO problems with it.  He's put in a bigger hard drive and now needs to decide if he wants to upgrade his old  Nvidia 5950 AGP card (top end at the time) or buy a new PC.  He did pay over 3k for this PC but I'll tell you -he will never buy from anyone but Alienware.   I can't blame him - I would also seriously consider an Alienware myself, they make a great gaming rig.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Markonite2 on April 25, 2007, 08:02:09 pm
Alienware it is then. Lol.

I have this egomaniac friend that keeps bragging about his computer and tells me its military grade and all this. I finally say the thing... It was a big green terd in a beige plastic box. The thing ran oblivion at a decent setting but it was slow as crap and microsoft sam didn't even know how to talk! I chewed him up and told him i'd have an alienware by the end of the month.

as you all know the above paragraph does not explain or justify the Lol at the beginging of my post. So here is the funny part: (prepare for sad/funny irony)

I had a halo party. It lasted until 6 a.m. The next day i had to get up at 11 oclock. I had work from 4 p.m. until 2 a.m. I obviously was overly tired and couldnt do it. So i faked that i was sick and went to the hospital 1/4 of the way into my shift. I HAVE MONO!   :(  I can't work for a month and then some so i wont even have enough money to pay for my insurance. Right when i seriously considered typing my cc number into alienware's site and activating my payment plan!!! I cant make money, cant recover from prom expenses, and most importantly distresssing i cant kiss my gf!!! I'm gonna take my old COMPAQpresario and bash myself in the head with it until i cant remember why im doing it and revert to the days when i enjoyed physical activity without computers and stuff.

Sorry... Just venting...  ;D
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Celdur on April 25, 2007, 10:02:00 pm
remember i was geting a pc for my birthday? well now i cant choose the parts anymore...its gonna be a suprise lol
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: SBD on April 27, 2007, 02:32:04 am
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remember i was geting a pc for my birthday? well now i cant choose the parts anymore...its gonna be a suprise lol

By the sounds of it thats not a good thing.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Celdur on May 08, 2007, 12:03:14 pm
erll my brother chooses...and he knows all that stuff...its coming in today...or tomorow
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Celdur on May 09, 2007, 12:56:15 pm
YAY i have it...its awsome

now lets install 5000 games i couldnt play before
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: The Dead Herring on May 11, 2007, 10:39:12 am
In my opinion, here's what you should have got....

Mac Book Pro:

2.33ghz Core2duo
2GB DDR3 667mhz SDRAM
160GB HDD
ATI mobility Radeon X1600 (256MB SDRAM)

Dual boot with OSX 10.5 and WindowsXP SP2

The best operating system for everything except gaming (OSX), and the best operating system for gaming  (WindowsXP)..... On one machine.

P.S: I don't want this thread to turn into a mac bashing frenzy.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Tesla on July 08, 2007, 08:14:19 am
Soon I am buying a laptop, I am very stuck for cash and am trying to do the best with the money I have, here's some details -

Laptop - Dell Inspiron 1501
RAM - 1GB
Hard Drive - 60GB
Screen - 15.1"
OS - Vista Home Premium

Comments?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: SBD on July 08, 2007, 07:59:04 pm
See, now is not a good time to buy a computer. While we're all gonna have to upgrade to Vista sooner or later, I would wait until a service pack comes out, and until you can afford another gig of ram.
 

Also, what processor does that laptop have?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on July 12, 2007, 05:55:05 pm
Well, I am doing a quick upgrade to my hardware before I head off to college.

It may not be super top of the line, but they are better than what I have. Take a look!

Motherboard (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131153)
Video Card (I'm getting two of them) (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814133197)
Processor (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819115016)
RAM (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145175)


Feel free to tell me if I messed up anything as well, I already picked through it a few times and found a few errors, although I'm fairly certain that this build is good. Anyway, that's an update on my computer for you all. It is a shame to see the old parts go, they were top of the line once...

The beauty of the design is that I will be able to integrate all of the new parts into my water cooling system without having to modify too much.


Of course, there are still second thoughts on the Motherboard...

**EDIT**
I changed Motherboards, I'm going to take a gamble on this one. Most of the reviews were favorable.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Tesla on July 13, 2007, 02:29:19 am
See, now is not a good time to buy a computer. While we're all gonna have to upgrade to Vista sooner or later, I would wait until a service pack comes out, and until you can afford another gig of ram.
 

Also, what processor does that laptop have?

AMD Sempron is all I know, and I'm pretty sure that's bad.

I'm just planning on buyng it and upgrading it bit by bit.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Hammerman58 on July 13, 2007, 06:41:28 pm
Tell me if this is good. Its custom made.
2.6 intel dual core
325 nvidia 8800
2 gigs ram
and a viper gaming case
Is 1300 reasonable?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on July 13, 2007, 09:28:31 pm
Are you certain that all of the components will work together and/or fit into the motherboard?

When you post specs in a help topic like this be sure to be as detailed as possible. Are you doing this yourself or is that a spec that someone gave you?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Hammerman58 on July 28, 2007, 07:27:03 pm
Well forget that post. I found something better. http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3118935&sku=V133-3250
Its a barbones kit and i want to get a half gig of ram. It looks good to me but i know software not hardware.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on July 28, 2007, 07:33:00 pm
Personally, I would say that at this point, if you are going to get a new computer you might as well get a card that can handle DX10.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Didero on July 29, 2007, 03:54:23 am
And you should get more RAM. 512 MB isn't that much, especially if you want to play games.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: SmileyMan on July 29, 2007, 04:58:46 am
2x2GB DDR 2 Dual Channel ram.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Unknown User on August 11, 2007, 06:04:59 am
Hey everyone.  I'm looking at getting a new computer relatively soon here.  Probably going to order it online, because I'm not overly comfortable with making my own yet. 

However, I'm wondering, how do AMD Athlon processors match up to Intel?  I was debating getting an Athlon 64X2 5200+ or so. 

EDIT:  I think I've got it!
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Granite T. Rock on August 24, 2007, 09:29:49 pm
Hey folks,

I'm thinking of slowly upgrading my computer over the next year. 

I currently have a Celeron 2.6 ghz computer with 1 gig of RAM, ATI X850 video card and an X-fi sound card (the X-fi increased my battlefied 2 performance quite a bit).

I am debating to up the processor/motherboard or video card first.  I figure around $500-600 cdn for the motherboard and processor and new RAM Possilby one of the new fangled intel core 2 chips.  And around $300 for videocard that can do DX10.  Once I do all the upgrading and VISTA has proven itself I would want the computer to do Vista.

Do they still make motherboards that do both AGP and PCI-E?  My current card is AGP.

Anybody have advice?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: SBD on August 25, 2007, 12:40:17 am
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Do they still make motherboards that do both AGP and PCI-E?  My current card is AGP.

not good. AGP is pretty much dead, you may need to get a new mobo.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Granite T. Rock on August 25, 2007, 08:51:00 am
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Do they still make motherboards that do both AGP and PCI-E?  My current card is AGP.

not good. AGP is pretty much dead, you may need to get a new mobo.

Yeah... I'm working under the assumption I'll need a new motherboard to get a good processor.  To save on the expense I was hoping to get the video card at a different time as the motherboard/processor.  My plan would be to get a PCI-E video card but my current video card and motherboard are AGP.  But if I upgrade at seperate times I would need to upgrade to a motherboard that does both.  But I'm starting to think I might just need to suck it up and get basically a new computer.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Legodragonxp on August 28, 2007, 12:58:23 pm
Yeah, suck it up and get a PC with PCI-E. AGP is dead (my current machine is AGP and only because I cannot afford a nicer toy).

Oh, by the way guys, Dell owns Alienware.

-Lego
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Huckbuck on September 10, 2007, 12:25:56 pm
OK Im going to build a stationary computer for a mximum of 10 000 Kr (about 1400$) and I need your help. Im not into whats in my comp as much as I should be when building one myself, mostly I go after bad bad way of thinking "expensive=good". For a graphic card I have been looking at a ATI HiS Radeon X2900 512MB PCX (4 475 kr) and a GeF 8600GTS/256MB/DVI-I/D-SUB-adap/HVTV (1 990 kr). Should I go with the expensive one? Is it worth it? Or should I take a completely different one?

Other then that Im thinking ca 2 gig ram, 200 gig HDD and some good motherboard (need help with this one aswell).
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: 762 on September 17, 2007, 04:42:27 pm
What do you all think? $1500 by the way

Operating system      Genuine Windows Vista Home Premium (32-bit)     

   
Processor    Intel(R) Core(TM) 2 Duo processor T7700 (2.40 GHz, 4 MB L2 Cache, 800MHz FSB)    

   
Display    15.4" WXGA High-Definition HP BrightView Widescreen Display (1280 x 800)    

   
Memory    $50 OFF upgrade from 1GB DDR2 System Memory (2 Dimm) to 2GB DDR2 System Memory (2 Dimm)!    

   
Graphics Card    383MB NVIDIA GeForce 8400M GS    

   
Personalization    HP Imprint (Influx) + Fingerprint Reader + Webcam + Microphone    

   
Networking    Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection    

   
Hard Drive    FREE Upgrade to 120GB 5400RPM from 80GB 5400RPM!!    

   
Primary CD/DVD Drive    LightScribe SuperMulti 8X DVD+/-RW with Double Layer Support    

   
TV & Entertainment Experience    $30 OFF HP ExpressCard Digital/Analog TV Tuner    

   
Primary Battery    12 Cell Lithium Ion Battery    

   
Productivity Software    Microsoft(R) Works 8.0    

   
Included Accessories    HP Optical USB Mobile Mouse (White) and Mobile Stereo Headset (1 pair, White)



The monitor's not real great, but the rest of the set-up makes up for it I think.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Didero on September 18, 2007, 12:24:01 am
I assume that's a laptop, because otherwise that screen is very small.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: 762 on September 18, 2007, 04:58:04 pm
Yeah it's a laptop. What do you think?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Danzik on September 18, 2007, 05:32:22 pm
My thoughts are this:
Try for a larger screen.
I'm typing this on a 15.4" 1280 x 800 screen laptop and it just feels too small for gaming.

Sidenote:
The Xbright or whatever Dell is calling it is great for text editing, report writing, and web surfing.

Is it possible to get a 7200 RPM drive in the laptop you're building?
5400 might be too slow.

Don't know much about laptop video cards.

The one you're building is basically what we use for school work around here.
(ours is a 1.7Ghz 1Gb Ram though)
I'd download a demo or two to test it but, the girlfriend would not be pleased.

Why a laptop and not a desktop for a gaming PC?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Tesla on October 03, 2007, 06:56:58 am
My Dad finally promised to get me a laptop for christmas! ;D

AMD Sempron Mobile Technology 3600+ (I doubt this is good, but I know least of all about processors)
Vista Home Premium (Should be fine with my RAM)
2 GB RAM
60 GB Memory

Anything not good about this?



Unrelated question - Can someone name the things you CANNOT upgrade in a laptop after buying?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: LadyM on October 03, 2007, 11:15:51 am
First, get a bigger hard drive. I have 100 GB and I'm pushing the limits with my games. Get the biggest you can. Get a good graphics card because you can't change that later. Getting an AMD is good, thats what I have.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Tesla on October 03, 2007, 12:02:38 pm
Sadly that's what I'm getting and I'll have to upgrade later, I'm thinking of an external hard drive.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Didero on October 03, 2007, 12:19:18 pm
An external harddrive can be quite bothersome, especially with something as portable as a laptop.
Upgrading the hard drive of a laptop can be quite difficult, depending on the laptop, but it is possible. But I think it's easier if you get a larger harddisk now, instead of a bigger one later, to save the hassle of switching them, and transferring the data.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Tesla on October 03, 2007, 01:29:06 pm
I'm afraid changing it now is completely out of the question.

The good news is the Sims 2 is the only game I can see myself installing. I'm not an avid gamer, so not enough memory isn't a problem.

I have already realized I'd dislike a portable hard drive, but at least I'm getting a carry case with it.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: munchkin5 on October 05, 2007, 09:34:35 am
I'm looking at getting a new laptop for about april-may next year, (A dell inspiron 1501, the 2GB version), but at the moment I've only got a wired broadband connection and i wondered what people could tell me about wireless. I've got a rough idea but the main question i wanted to ask was wether I'd need to change my connection or wether i could just attach a router to my modem (at no extra monthly cost).
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Danzik on October 05, 2007, 09:38:44 am
You can just attach a wireless router to your broadband modem.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: munchkin5 on October 07, 2007, 05:17:11 am
thats good, and it's all i wanted to know, thanks ;)
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: The Dead Herring on October 18, 2007, 03:39:32 pm
Hey guys,

For many years I have been a die hard Macintosh fanatic and consequently, a dedicated console gamer. But at heart, I have come to notice that I seem to enjoy PC gaming more.

However, Mac OSX's support for games is infamously bad, and despite its ability to run Windows XP and Vista at native speed, to purchase a gaming specified Mac would cost disproportionately more than a Windows based, hand assembled competitor.

Because of this, I thought I may take up a project in which I build my own dream gaming system, friends tell me it isn't all that difficult, and I like to think I know my stuff about hardware. But I simply have no idea where to start...

How much money would it actually save me by assembling a system by myself?
Which hardware would you recommend I purchase? IE: Video Card, CPU, etc
Where are some good resources for tutorials and FAQs?
How much would it cost me in total to build a medium/high end gaming PC?

Please note I live in the UK so if you can give prices in £, and I will decide on a budget once I learn more about the estimated cost.

Thanks!

Joe

P.S: Mods, did you really need to move my post where nobody will read it?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Danzik on October 19, 2007, 11:25:50 pm
You're right in your understanding that building a gaming PC isn't difficult.
Generally, it's fairly simple as long as you're careful and take proper ESD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrostatic_discharge) precautions.
Plus you have an entire internet full of computer kids who love to prove how PC savvy they are.

As far as which hardware to buy, that's a pretty difficult thing to keep up with unless you're a person that's currently in the market for a new PC.  In addition, the recommendations someone gives you right now might not be of much worth in the 6-10 months (or however long) it takes you to save the money to purchase your system.
My advice is simply to read everything you can about the current hardware releases and ask lots of questions (which you seem to be doing). 
Personally, I usually check the following sites before starting a new project:

The Tom's Hardware: Build Your Own guides (http://www.tomshardware.com/howto/index.html)
Generally good builds here. 
They also update fairly often.

The Overclock.net Forums (http://www.overclock.net/)
The members of Overclock.net have helped me out of a few jams
and made up my mind concerning certain price vs. performance.

Another advantage you have going for you is that while you're saving the money to purchase components,
you'll be able to watch for good deals and snatch them up as they come along.
As far as sites to recommend in the UK, I'm really not sure but, I believe a number of the members of Overclock.net are British.

On a side note, I was recently talking to the people from Uberclok (http://www.uberclok.com)
and I really like what they have going on there.
Also, their PCs come with a three year parts and labor warranty.
(Not sure if they ship to the UK though but, I don't doubt they would)
Just another suggested place to check out.

Hope this helps and if you have any questions regarding the build,
feel free to ask.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: The Dead Herring on October 20, 2007, 01:18:13 pm
Thanks for your response Danzik!

Those websites will help me greatly, particularly the tutorials on Tom's Hardware. Financially, I have the funds already, but of course, the actual time it is going to take to order the parts and assemble the system will be substantial.

So I guess the best place to start out is the case? What are the best brands? Are there any features to look out for? Or will I make my decision on cosmetics alone?

I think for a CPU, I may be looking at one of the Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600's,

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Processor-Intel-Q6600-LGA775-Socket/dp/B000LRMR26/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/203-5160045-4869520?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1192911236&sr=8-1 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Processor-Intel-Q6600-LGA775-Socket/dp/B000LRMR26/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/203-5160045-4869520?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1192911236&sr=8-1)

Would I be better off with an AMD competitor? I have heard that the trouble with AMD processors is that they are only really any good at gaming, seeing as this system will be, for 98% of the time a gaming system (my MacBook will do everything else!).

Also, for video card, I am leaning more towards an Nvidia card, any products I should be made aware of?

Thanks in advance, and I apologize profusely for my ignorance!

Joe
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: SBD on November 01, 2007, 03:34:32 am
Howdy all!

In order to get as much out of crysis as possible, im gonna upgrade. currently I have a 7600GT, an Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 2ghz, and a gig of ram.

I don't want to spend anymore then roundabouts $350 australian, and I can't decide what whether to get a new video card or ram or both.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Gunner on November 01, 2007, 07:56:11 pm
I was wondering where I should look for a gaming computer (preferably a laptop) that is at least in the middle class for under 1900 US Dollars? Or should I just keep saving up. :-\
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Manna on November 01, 2007, 11:29:04 pm
I was wondering where I should look for a gaming computer (preferably a laptop) that is at least in the middle class for under 1900 US Dollars? Or should I just keep saving up. :-\

I dunno how much 1900 US gets you but I can tell you gaming laptops are gonna cost. Go for the reliable, heavy-enought-to-kill-someone-with-it PC option and you wont be disappointed.

Howdy all!

In order to get as much out of crysis as possible, im gonna upgrade. currently I have a 7600GT, an Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 2ghz, and a gig of ram.

I don't want to spend anymore then roundabouts $350 australian, and I can't decide what whether to get a new video card or ram or both.

Consider setting up a couple of HDD in a striped RAID. Otherwise, go the RAM because $350 wont be enough to get yourself a decent 8800 GT though I doubt RAM will improve performance much from a gig.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: SBD on November 02, 2007, 12:40:38 am
Quote
$350 wont be enough to get yourself a decent 8800 GT

I dunno, I've seen some pretty good 8800s in PC Powerplay for ~$300, and can't you pick up a gig of ram 50 bucks?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Manna on November 02, 2007, 04:14:39 pm
8800 GTX? 768mb ram? I doubt it. Show me if you'd like a second oppinion.

Dont buy anything less. Look at some benchmarks of how your new card compares to your old card before you buy it. I usually use Tom's Hardware.

Sure, you can pick up RAM for $50 but you need to be looking at the speed of that ram and the max speed of your motherboard. For example, my RAM is running at 800 mhz which is pretty good for the price and the motherboard supports that speed and doesn't just underclock. The point I was trying to make though, is that the performance of your games wont improve much from 1 gig to 2 gig.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: SBD on November 03, 2007, 05:14:03 am
Righto.
Anyone else want to share there thoughts on the matter?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Danzik on November 07, 2007, 08:57:20 pm
In the future, don't double post.  They'll only be edited together.

Also, isn't there a new sub-$300 card coming out that will bring the price point down...

Edit: Found it.  The 8800 GT. (http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-9806389-1.html)  Debuting at between $250-$300 US.  I'd wait for the benchmarks on this guy to come out before buying anything.

Further Edit:  Found some prelim. benchmarks here (http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3140), here  (http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/468/1) and, here (http://techreport.com/articles.x/13479/1).  Wonder if I could SLI this with my current 8800GTS...
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: SBD on November 08, 2007, 01:57:29 am
Sorry. If i do it again you may punch ladym in the arm.

What about an ATI card?

Dont you need identical cards to sli?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Person21 on November 08, 2007, 09:24:42 am
OK sorry for jumping in here, but, by what is quite possibly divine intervention, my bank mum has offered me £700 for a new PC. Trouble is, I need to know what I want by the weekend.

I'm probably going to get something custom build by the local PC store, and so, mostly need advice on what hardware to go for.

Naturally, I want something that can play recent games on a reasonably high setting.

Any advice would be appreciated.


Oh, and this post killed my post count  :'(
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Tesla on November 08, 2007, 09:54:09 am
(Lol)

Get lots of RAM, a good processor, lotsa memory (duh) and a good graphics card.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Danzik on November 08, 2007, 03:53:35 pm
Is this going to be a brand new computer or are you upgrading your exsiting PC?
If it's an upgrade,post your current specs.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Person21 on November 08, 2007, 11:40:19 pm
Brand new.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: SBD on November 09, 2007, 12:16:12 am
go into Run, type in "dxdiag" and that will give you your system specs.

700 pounds if nearly  $1600 australian, so you should be able get a fairly decent system, and an even better upgrade because you don't need to buy a case or PSU or anything.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: munchkin5 on November 10, 2007, 12:10:30 pm
I've been doing some reasearch recently because i'm looking into buying a laptop after my next birthday, when i'll have £700, desktops will be cheaper, but it depends where you get them, so far my best recomendation would be some kind of intel core 2 duo processor a 256mb graphics card and 2gb's of RAM and also for laptops a 160GB hard drive but you'd get much bigger on a desktop.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Danzik on November 10, 2007, 01:30:09 pm
My advice is simply to read everything you can about the current hardware releases and ask lots of questions (which you seem to be doing). 
Personally, I usually check the following sites before starting a new project:

The Tom's Hardware: Build Your Own guides (http://www.tomshardware.com/howto/index.html)
Generally good builds here. 
They also update fairly often.

The Overclock.net Forums (http://www.overclock.net/)
The members of Overclock.net have helped me out of a few jams and made up my mind concerning certain price vs. performance.

As far as sites to recommend in the Australia, I'm really not sure but, I believe a number of the members of Overclock.net are Australian.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Person21 on November 10, 2007, 05:14:32 pm
What I'm really wondering about is the processor and video card. I'll probably just get 4 Gigs of RAM.

And thanks for the links Danzik
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: munchkin5 on November 11, 2007, 05:06:20 am
4 gigs might be a bit expensive, especially if you've only got £700 to spend.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Didero on November 11, 2007, 05:08:00 am
4 Gigabyte of RAM is a bit much, 2 gig is probably enough.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Tesla on November 11, 2007, 07:07:04 am
Woah, I have 60 GB and Home Premium (Or I am going to) and I am getting the Orange Box. :/

Should I avoid installing any other games until I uninstall it?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Didero on November 11, 2007, 08:05:43 am
60 GB is more than enough to hold more than enough games besides the Orange Box, there's no need to uninstall it to install another game.

There's a difference between memory and harddrive space. Memory, also called the RAM, which stands for Random Access Memory, is where the computer temporarily stores data that's currently in use. It's emptied every time your computer restarts. Usually it's between 512MB (in relatively old computers) to 4 GB, which is the maximum of most current motherboards I believe. The harddrive, also called the harddisk, of a computer is where it stores data for the long term, and where you install games and programs on. Data on the harddisk is preserved when you turn your computer off. It's usually between 20 GB and 300 GB.
Just thought I'd clear that up. :)
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Tesla on November 11, 2007, 08:19:29 am
Oh, sorry, I'm just used to 40 GB, our computer. Which also has about 15 GB taken up by other stuff. I'm not used to the idea of free space.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: SBD on November 13, 2007, 01:15:21 am
Anyone know of any good video cards I could get for $400australian?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Danzik on November 13, 2007, 01:31:31 am
Anyone know of any good video cards I could get for $400australian?
The 8800GT ($399) here (http://www.nintek.com.au/x/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=19984).
Check out chart and full review here (http://vr-zone.com/articles/Nvidia_GeForce_8800_GT_Review/5369-1.html).
(http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/1862/3dm05gx6.jpg)
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: SBD on November 13, 2007, 02:26:08 am
Thanks Danzik! I can get one of those in Perth (where I live) and get my computer bloke to install it! Yay!
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Loud Howie on December 14, 2007, 04:39:45 am
Hello, I recently hand built my own PC. (This summer)

Here are the specs

Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 2 (2600.xpsp_sp2_gdr.070227-2254)
           Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
           System Manufacturer: System manufacturer
           System Model: System Product Name
           BIOS: Phoenix - AwardBIOS v6.00PG
           Processor: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5400+,  MMX,  3DNow (2 CPUs), ~2.8GHz
           Memory: 3070MB RAM
           Page File: 614MB used, 3831MB available
           DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
           Card name: VisionTek Radeon X1300 Series 
           Manufacturer: ATI Technologies Inc.
           Chip type: ATI display adapter (0x7183)
           DAC type: Internal DAC(400MHz)
           Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_7183&SUBSYS_23501545&REV_00
           Display Memory: 256.0 MB
           Current Mode: 1024 x 768 (16 bit) (60Hz)
           Monitor: Plug and Play Monitor
           Monitor Max Res: 1600,1200

I'm thinking that the most glaring weakness in my armor is the video card. What do you guys think?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: SBD on December 14, 2007, 04:46:14 am
yep. its the card, but 8800s are getting pretty cheap so don't worry.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Loud Howie on December 14, 2007, 04:52:10 am
Yeah was looking to get the 8800 GT Alpha Dog one that has a free copy of Company of Heroes, but I might wait until after the holidays. Maybe they will drop the price.

**Edit** I just realized that my monitor is so old, I need a card with a VGA connection. Woe is me.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: SBD on December 14, 2007, 05:22:14 am
You should be able to get an adaptor.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: gec05 on December 17, 2007, 12:53:34 pm
Ok, I really need a new computer. Here's my current specs.

 
 Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 2
          Processor: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1.60GHz
             Memory: 512MB RAM
          Page File: 430MB used, 818MB available
    DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
          Card name: RADEON 9600 SERIES
     Display Memory: 128.0 MB
              Drive: C:
        Total Space: 76.3 GB


I know I need at least:
-2-3 GHz processor
-1 or 2 gigs of RAM
-256 MB or more video card
-More hard drive space

Am I missing anything?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Tesla on December 17, 2007, 01:38:23 pm
If you need more hard drive space, then I probably do too. In general what do you store on your drive? I will have 60 GB but will only really use the memory for a few games.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: gec05 on December 17, 2007, 10:07:32 pm
Actually, scratch that. I'm only using half of it and I clean out unused programs/files most of the time.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: SBD on December 17, 2007, 10:23:06 pm
Ok. Well, I'd wait until after xmas because prices of everything will come down. 8800s are pretty cheap these days, and you'll need a decent video card and at least a gig of ram for Vista, but I'd go for 2 gigs seeing as ram is also fairly cheap. And I assume you mean 2-3Ghz dual core?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: gec05 on December 17, 2007, 10:34:29 pm
Yeah, dual core of course.

And please, no Vista... :-\
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: SBD on December 17, 2007, 10:48:53 pm
Yeah, As much as I hate to admit it, I think we can't delay Vista much longer.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: sltlamina on December 17, 2007, 11:31:16 pm
You know I've been under the impression since I was quite young that computers were always custom built (until I found out they weren't all)... I guess when you have a dad that's put every computer you've ever had together from scratch it kind of makes you think that that's the way it is. Despite that fact this computer is horribly outdated.

Custom building FTW!
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Behumat on December 18, 2007, 12:21:39 pm
Well, I can't speak for the whole of the world, but I can speak for Korea. I noticed when I was over there, that its damned hard to find a prebuilt computer. It seems that everyone over there custom builds there computer. I had a lot of fun down in the electronics market, shopping for parts. Its absolutely HUGE! I imagine if I still lived there, upgrading would be no problem, I could pick up the parts as they became available, like shopping for groceries. :)
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Tesla on December 18, 2007, 12:59:06 pm
Just to be doubly sure, what is it you can't update on a computer?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Didero on December 19, 2007, 01:32:19 am
Technically, you can update everything. But if you update for instance your motherboard, there's a chance you have to update you CPU too, because the old one doesn't work with the new motherboard.
So you can update everything, but there's a chance you end up updating everything :P
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Tesla on December 19, 2007, 07:13:46 am
Very good.

Another question - Will also this fit on a 60GB hard drive comfortably?

Vista Home Premium
Sims 2 + 3 EPs
The entire Orange Box.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Didero on December 19, 2007, 07:21:02 am
Yes, it will. I'm not entirely sure how much space Vista takes, but I'm positive it'll all easily fit in 60GB.
But harddrives aren't too expensive these days, I don't think a larger disc costs that much more. And you can never have too much harddisk space ;)
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Tesla on December 19, 2007, 07:32:41 am
I'm too young to get a job... :(
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: gec05 on December 19, 2007, 04:00:05 pm
And my job isn't paying enough at the moment. :(
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Tesla on December 22, 2007, 10:00:23 am
(Deleted previous post)

So today I was checking out the specs on my mom's computer (it's the exact same as what I'm getting) and... wait... Huh? 160 GB Hard Drive? Wha?

One phone call to my Dad later - He had said 160, not 60! Holy crap!

Plus, I was checking over the other specs, and I've realized the 'puter I'm getting is pretty damn good. It'd prolly run all the Sims 2 EPs and the Oange Box with ease!
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Hammerman58 on December 22, 2007, 07:28:43 pm
Anyone know of any good graphic cards that are like 250 or less. Any 3rd party ones that are really good.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: SBD on December 22, 2007, 08:23:29 pm
Define what you mean by third party, because Nvidia and ATI have a duopoly in the video card market.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Danzik on December 24, 2007, 12:22:52 pm
Anyone know of any good graphic cards that are like 250 or less. Any 3rd party ones that are really good.
Check out the 8800 GT. (http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-9806389-1.html)  Debuting at between $250-$300 US.

Some benchmarks here (http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3140), here  (http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/468/1) and, here (http://techreport.com/articles.x/13479/1).
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: sltlamina on December 27, 2007, 12:38:41 am
Very good.

Another question - Will also this fit on a 60GB hard drive comfortably?

Vista Home Premium
Sims 2 + 3 EPs
The entire Orange Box.

60GB?! That's tiny (incoming, "that's what she said" joke!)... Mines 120 and I'm struggling for room, you can get really cheap 200GB ones nowadays, I'd say invest in one of those.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: SBD on December 27, 2007, 02:36:10 am
(Deleted previous post)

So today I was checking out the specs on my mom's computer (it's the exact same as what I'm getting) and... wait... Huh? 160 GB Hard Drive? Wha?

One phone call to my Dad later - He had said 160, not 60! Holy crap!

Plus, I was checking over the other specs, and I've realized the 'puter I'm getting is pretty damn good. It'd prolly run all the Sims 2 EPs and the Oange Box with ease!
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Tesla on December 28, 2007, 03:48:15 pm
Beat me to it.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Huckbuck on December 29, 2007, 05:59:50 am
Hey everybody! Im posting from a new comp my dad bought just yesterday, but I got to pick the specs, here's what we got:

1000 GB HDD
2x 1028 Mb DDR2
GeForce 8500GT
C2Q Q6600 2.4 GHz
MB uBTX l DH C2Q 775 PCle

Do you think this will do for most upcomming games at around highest graphics? :p
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: SBD on December 30, 2007, 07:01:49 pm
If dual core then yes.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Huckbuck on December 31, 2007, 12:04:40 am
Q6600 is Quad Core :P
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: sltlamina on December 31, 2007, 12:37:29 am
1000 GB HDD

1TB (;))! Wow, that's a lot... doesn't come even close to someone I know but that's no need to brag, he's doing a university course and is an 'ethical hacker', he needs the good machine.

What you're getting sounds pretty damn neat, I intend on upgrading but I can't afford everything :(

I'm thinking of a 2.1GHz dual core Athlon, 2GB of ram (and a new motherboard for the CPU), although even then my dad would have to pay for the motherboard and come the time I have the money to update the graphics card the CPU, RAM and motherboard will all be outdated and need replacing >:(!
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Huckbuck on December 31, 2007, 01:57:08 am
Thats not what I'm getting, thats what I got 3 days ago ;)

So far I've only played TF2 on it, but I'll get Crysis soon I hope.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: sltlamina on December 31, 2007, 02:11:26 am
Thats not what I'm getting, thats what I got 3 days ago ;)

So far I've only played TF2 on it, but I'll get Crysis soon I hope.

Ah, okay. I think quad cores are a wee bit extreme at the mo though, nothing really fully utilizes them as of yet.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Huckbuck on December 31, 2007, 02:19:28 am
Maybe not now, but soon.. and then I allready have one, AND YOU DON'T! SO I CAN LAUGH EVILY THEN!!!!!  :D MOHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.... MOaHAHAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: sltlamina on December 31, 2007, 02:28:23 am
Maybe not now, but soon.. and then I allready have one, AND YOU DON'T! SO I CAN LAUGH EVILY THEN!!!!!  :D MOHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.... MOaHAHAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!

Meh, I don't game too much on my computer, not a lot of good computer games come out anymore (I guess I would game more if my computer was better... but that kind of demolishes my entire argument and you therefore win. I won't be letting that happen now, will I? ;)).
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Hammerman58 on December 31, 2007, 02:36:58 am
I got to rip out the motherboard, processor and graphics card as soon as i get a job. I already bout a half decent comp this summer for only 350 but it needs more power. 
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Tesla on December 31, 2007, 03:41:38 am
How did you afford that?!?!

(Huckbuck)
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Huckbuck on December 31, 2007, 04:20:10 am
My dad bought it, but its not my computer. It is a "family computer". That means I will be the only one using it except once in a month when my dad gotta print something, or my sister suddenly feel like playing the Sims. So, basicly its mine except that it isn't in my room :P
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Hammerman58 on January 10, 2008, 08:21:17 pm
If i go quad core should i add new power supply and cooling system. I have a 500w and im putting in this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103226
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3509852&CatId=1560
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138102
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145034
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Arachoid on January 11, 2008, 05:45:38 pm
AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile Technology TL-58, at 1900 MHz.
nVidia MCP67M adapter, and an nVidia nForce 630M.
1GB DDR2 RAM.

Not exactly a gaming machine, eh? Well, at the moment, the best I can squeeze out is Dawn of War running at full graphics and sounds specs. But I plan to, over time, modify my lil' HP into a gaming rig. Because I just got my first PC game that I really REALLY enjoyed (DoW). So my plan goes:

Proccessor - Unknown
Unknown nVidia adapter, with an nVidia gForce 8800M GTS.
4GB DDR2 800-pin RAM.

Those are the three categories that I've attributed gaming performance down to. I went with the GTS instead of the GTX becuase this thing can't get too expensive. I also have no clue about what proccessor to get... I figure I might just be able to overclock my current one to just enough. My dad rocks at overclocking stuff. I also don't know what graphics adapter I want, either. I don't even know if it's removable.

What order should I buy stuff in? I could probably buy the RAM off Newegg soon, but I'm unsure whether I should save up or not.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Danzik on January 11, 2008, 05:50:19 pm
Is it less expensive to buy all of those things separate when buying a laptop?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on January 11, 2008, 05:51:26 pm
Can you wait for a while before getting that laptop? If you're going to go all out then you should know that Nvidia will be releasing the GeForce 9xxx series of GPU soon and the laptop variant should be out soon after.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Huckbuck on January 14, 2008, 01:27:33 pm
Ok, Im gonna buy a new Graphic Card in a few months, so what should I go for? (its gonna be with the comp I posted on last page.)
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Danzik on January 14, 2008, 01:43:02 pm
Check out the 8800 GT. (http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-9806389-1.html)  Debuting at between $250-$300 US.
Some benchmarks here (http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3140), here  (http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/468/1) and, here (http://techreport.com/articles.x/13479/1).
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Gorman Conall on January 14, 2008, 01:54:57 pm
Looking at you're specs you should know that you likely don't need a new card yet. But if you insist Danziks suggestion is the best because thats the only card that has enough power over your current one to justify a purchase. I would still wait on a price drop however.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Huckbuck on January 15, 2008, 08:21:44 am
Thanks:P

When will the 9000 serie be released? I've got some money to spend and I want to play Crysis at as good graphics as possible :P I can only play at default settings now :( (Most low, some med)

EDIT: DRAT!!! That 8800 GT is SO cheap compared to performance! :O
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: SBD on January 16, 2008, 08:04:20 pm
And it's only going to get cheaper.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Huckbuck on January 18, 2008, 11:53:09 am
Thats the crap with stuff like this, it will go down to like 220$, and I will feel really great when I buy it, but a month later it will cost 200$ and I will feel bad. BAAAAD!!! But yea, playing Crysis for a month might be worth it ;)
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Gauphastus on January 18, 2008, 11:17:13 pm
According to Wikipedia, February 18.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_9_Series

I'm probably gonna get my buddy to build me a new machine in a little while, couple of months. Maybe after I get my tax rebate, or after I get back to work.
Looking at the 8800 GTX, but I might just go crazy and get a 9800 GX2 for the hell of it, as long as the price ain't too ridiculous.
I guess 500 bucks is about as high as I'll go; anything more just feels stupid.
Plus I gotta consider the rest of the parts.

Someday...  :D
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: caosss on January 21, 2008, 05:13:21 am
Hey, wanting to ask if this is a good system that will last atleast a few years or if you think anything should be upgraded  :)  :P

Intel Core 2Quad Q6600 2.40Ghz 8MB S-775
4GB DDR2 PC5400 Ram
RAID-2x250GB Harddisk 7200rpm
ASUS P5N-E/SLI- nForce 650i
SLI - 2x 512MB GeForce 8800GT
7.1 CH Soundcard
10/100Mbit Network card
4xUSB Ports
NZXT Apollo Steel Black Cabinet
48x16x DVD Drive
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Danzik on January 21, 2008, 11:46:51 am
You're kidding right?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Tesla on January 21, 2008, 12:11:54 pm
Um... No. It's a terrible system. In fact, I'll take it off your hands for... say, 50 dollars? That's a bargain considering that dusty old piece of trash.



:P
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Huckbuck on January 21, 2008, 01:00:38 pm
Look daddy! ME WANT!  :o
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on January 21, 2008, 01:04:53 pm
Silly show offs are silly.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: caosss on January 22, 2008, 04:27:25 am
Silly show offs are silly.

its not a show off, its something i was thinking of buying and just wanted opinions on if something should be better or not, i dont know that much of pc's you see..
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: SBD on January 22, 2008, 04:33:34 am
Oh, he's not joking.

That is a really really powerful pc, and will last you probably a few years at least.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: LadyM on January 22, 2008, 07:44:30 am
It sounds good to me. You have a fast processor, 4 GB of ram and 500 GB hard drive and a great video card.
I just ordered a GeForce 8800GTS video card to put in my desktop.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Huckbuck on January 22, 2008, 07:55:45 am
...to put in my desktop.

Shouldn't you put it in your Computer? ;)
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: LadyM on January 22, 2008, 09:42:14 am
...to put in my desktop.

Shouldn't you put it in your Computer? ;)

Probably would work better that way.  ;)
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: caosss on January 22, 2008, 09:57:52 am
thanks for telling me, now i got a little bit smarter on the pc subject   :P
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Danzik on January 22, 2008, 11:55:49 am
its not a show off, its something i was thinking of buying and just wanted opinions on if something should be better or not, i dont know that much of pc's you see..
Oh, in that case, it's a great computer.  Not really much to recommend other than just going ahead and buying it. :)
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: caosss on January 22, 2008, 11:23:33 pm
well i did yesterday, so if i dont have it within this week ill have it in the beginning of the next  :P that is what THEY say tho.. but they wont get any money before i have it, ha!  ::)
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: LadyM on January 25, 2008, 12:56:31 pm
I installed a video card!! Yes, this is a big deal, I've never done anything like that before. A GeForce 8800 GTS, it's huge and it fit in nice and smooth, hooked up the power and it worked!! Next upgrade is the power box and memory. Part on order.

I tested it out on a Civ game it's awesome, so fast and smooth and clear.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: caosss on January 25, 2008, 02:36:11 pm
Well i will first have my new PC in.. 4-5 days which sucks a bit considering i Should have gotten it yesterday/today.. But they ''forgot'' my order, and to ''make up for it'' he said i will get some games with it, which i expect to be some old stuff worth 5 bucks.. lol.. But thats just a new day to look forward to which wont make me think of Spore so its cool i guess!  ::)
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Huckbuck on January 26, 2008, 05:48:23 am
I installed a video card!! Yes, this is a big deal, I've never done anything like that before. A GeForce 8800 GTS, it's huge and it fit in nice and smooth, hooked up the power and it worked!! Next upgrade is the power box and memory. Part on order.

I tested it out on a Civ game it's awesome, so fast and smooth and clear.


Im thinking of buying a 8800 GTS to, anf yea I have never ever done something like that. So I am worried about getting some error message when its time to turn on the power.. if that happens I'll go emo fo' sure. :P
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: LadyM on January 26, 2008, 06:39:54 am
If I did it you can do it. I didn't replace one because the old one was integrated. I just added it, it snapped into the slot, I plugged in the power source and put the back on. After I restarted the computer I added the drivers. It worked! When you order it make sure you get the right one. Mine ended being overclocked which I wasn't expecting and needed a bigger power source.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Huckbuck on January 26, 2008, 06:44:44 am
Oh ok :P  So you play with two cards?  :o
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: caosss on January 26, 2008, 07:47:30 am
So you play with two cards?  :o

You didn't know you could do that or something?  :o
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Huckbuck on January 27, 2008, 05:53:14 am
I know its POSSIBLE, but I thought you had to be quite skilled to combine two cards to work together  :-\
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: caosss on January 27, 2008, 08:31:12 am
Well its called SLI when its Nvidia Cards and (i think) its called Crossfire when it is ATI cards. But yea, i don't know how to put 2 cards into a PC, so ill let the company handle that  :P
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Danzik on January 27, 2008, 10:54:07 am
SLI isn't hard to set up.  You'll have two PCIE slots and put a card in each.  The problem being that it's only feasible if you play games that are made for SLI. 

Also, what LadyM is saying is that she has an onboard video card.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Hammerman58 on January 27, 2008, 11:22:32 am
If i upgrade to quad core a 95w one would i have to upgrade my power supply? Its a 500W and i am also planning to put an 8800 gt in it. Also would it be best to get some more fans?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Danzik on January 27, 2008, 11:29:13 am
Depending on the model PSU you currently have, it might work.
Consult this (http://www.overclock.net/power-supplies/167642-power-supply-guide.html) article for more info.

BTW, I have this  (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341002) in my desktop and it seems to work great.  Not a big fan of the neons though.
Here's what's in the desktop:
Code: [Select]
Processor: 
AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+, MMX, 3DNow (2 CPUs), ~2.2GHz

Memory:
2046MB RAM

Hard Drive:
160 GB

Video Card:
NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS

Monitor:
Dell 2007WFP (Digital) + Sony 17" LCD

Sound Card:
SoundMAX HD Audio

Operating System:
Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 2 (2600.xpsp_sp2_gdr.070227-2254)
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Hammerman58 on January 27, 2008, 11:36:05 am
If i go quad core should i add new power supply and cooling system. I have a 500w and im putting in this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103226
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3509852&CatId=1560
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138102
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145034

I did post this a bit back but this is what i am adding to my pc. So basicaly i am rebuilding it. That all adds to around 550 and it brings the total amount i spent on the pc to around 1300 and i dont want to have to put more in it.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: LadyM on January 28, 2008, 10:55:13 am
Oh ok :P  So you play with two cards?  :o

No, one card, the monitor is only plugged into the new card with a digital cable. The other one is attached to the motherboard and is just "there". I think you can play with two but thats beyond my abilities.

I like Danzik's setup and I notice that you have XP. I'm using Vista now and I hate it. I just posted about a problem I'm having with lock ups on the start/taskbar. I wish I had XP back.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Huckbuck on January 28, 2008, 01:10:22 pm
I think Vista works good :P Sure some things are irritating, but yea, I like it better then XP, makes the computer feel better with all the flashy effects ;)

Oh ok :P  So you play with two cards?  :o

No, one card, the monitor is only plugged into the new card with a digital cable. The other one is attached to the motherboard and is just "there". I think you can play with two but thats beyond my abilities.


So that card is parasiting your computer? ;)
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Tesla on February 11, 2008, 01:38:12 pm
I am getting an old iMac G3 for free or for a small amount of cash and then I am gonna start upgrading it.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Hammerman58 on February 14, 2008, 09:48:33 pm
Quick question are Dx10 g cards compatible with games using previous DxVersions?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: SBD on February 14, 2008, 10:20:01 pm
Yes.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Tesla on February 15, 2008, 02:27:14 am
I am being allowed upgrade our home computer and my parents are buying the parts. I checked on crucial.com so I know it has two RAM slots, and the computer just has 512MB. Is it really ust as simple as putting the other chip in and starting it up again?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: SBD on February 15, 2008, 03:03:39 am
I think so. Also, get at least 1 gig of ram.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Tesla on February 15, 2008, 10:21:32 am
Yeah, I'll mae sure we get another half gig chip.

Oh, and since the PC has two slots and already a half gig would that mean it has two quarter gig chips or one half gig chip?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: SBD on February 15, 2008, 07:49:33 pm
I'd say it has a single 512 bar, but you can always open the case and take a look.  :P

Also, good ram is reletively cheap these days, so you can probably pick up a 1 gig bar of ram in addition to what you've already got. I don't know if they even make 512 bars anymore.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Danzik on February 15, 2008, 09:19:30 pm
I'd take a look in the case.  Most likely you have 2x256k sticks
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Hammerman58 on February 16, 2008, 07:51:25 pm
Well i finnally decided on what to do with my comp. Im going to get a geforce 8800 gtx with 1 gig of ram. Ill upgrade everything else next year.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: SBD on February 17, 2008, 02:42:34 am
Jolly good.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Huckbuck on February 25, 2008, 01:44:53 pm
Ok... I'm confused.

Im gonna order my new graphic card soon, so which one is best?

8800 GT
8800 GTS
8800 GTX
9600 GT

I thought the GTX was the best, but I'm not sure after reading what Ovi posted a few pages back...  :-\
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Jagon on February 26, 2008, 06:30:05 pm
8800 is better than the 9600 (i think)
wait for the 9800 to come out


Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Huckbuck on February 29, 2008, 12:10:04 pm
8800 is better than the 9600 (i think)
wait for the 9800 to come out




But wont that be disgustingly expensive?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Myshuno on March 03, 2008, 04:15:11 pm
I'm going to be buying a new computer soon and I need help. Can anyone tell me if these following games work on Vista.

-The Sims 2 (and all of the expansion packs)
-Sim City 4: delux edition
-RollerCoaster Tycoon 3 (platonum edition)
-Age of Empires 3 (and all of the expansion packs)
-Guild Wars: Nightfall

The reason I ask is that i dont know if I should upgrade to Vista yet or stick with XP. If the majority of the games I play won't even work on Vista then i'll just stay with XP.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Gungnir on March 03, 2008, 04:25:24 pm
Honestly I don't think vista is that special..but in response to your question, I think that Vista can play all those games. At least, I'm pretty sure it can. I've never had compatibility problems with it...
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Tesla on March 03, 2008, 11:26:43 pm
Same, no problems. Escpeccially with sims 2.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Myshuno on March 04, 2008, 01:09:59 pm
coolio, the only thing that i heard proplems about was simcity not working, but that was when vista just came out. By now im sure they have all the bugs worked out.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Kaizer on March 04, 2008, 01:13:19 pm
no they don't for some reason vista wont let my dad play mlb highheat 2006
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Myshuno on March 04, 2008, 06:33:33 pm
THANK YOU for ruining all my hopes and dreams!
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Kaizer on March 04, 2008, 06:54:43 pm
Your welcome it's what I do best
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Huckbuck on March 05, 2008, 01:09:41 pm
Ok... I'm confused.

Im gonna order my new graphic card soon, so which one is best?

8800 GT
8800 GTS
8800 GTX
9600 GT

I thought the GTX was the best, but I'm not sure after reading what Ovi posted a few pages back...  :-\

I ask this again.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: caosss on March 06, 2008, 08:02:53 am
Ok... I'm confused.

Im gonna order my new graphic card soon, so which one is best?

8800 GT
8800 GTS
8800 GTX
9600 GT

I thought the GTX was the best, but I'm not sure after reading what Ovi posted a few pages back...  :-\

I ask this again.

The 8800GTX i assume.. But thats also the most expensive
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: LadyM on March 06, 2008, 08:14:32 am
What did Ovi say?

I put the 8800 GTX in mine and it works great. I think the 8800GTS works as well for less money if thats an issue. Be sure you know how much power your power supply uses, mine was 300W and the card ended up have a recommendation of 450W so I had to change that too. It's all working great now.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Huckbuck on March 07, 2008, 08:23:25 am
OK,  gonna check that before I order :p So ATM it is between the GTS and the GTX :) Thanks for the help :D
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: caosss on March 08, 2008, 03:38:28 am
You could also just go to Nvidia's homepage and check the perfomance on the different cards and the prices to, that way you dont have to be confused :P
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Ryederz on March 11, 2008, 06:42:22 pm
OK,  gonna check that before I order :p So ATM it is between the GTS and the GTX :) Thanks for the help :D

Happy gaming dude. Enjoy playin' with your new PC
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: caosss on March 12, 2008, 07:04:52 am
What did Ovi say?

I put the 8800 GTX in mine and it works great. I think the 8800GTS works as well for less money if thats an issue. Be sure you know how much power your power supply uses, mine was 300W and the card ended up have a recommendation of 450W so I had to change that too. It's all working great now.

How easy is it to change the PSU? Ive been thinking of getting a new one of those
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Huckbuck on March 12, 2008, 02:35:19 pm
OK,  gonna check that before I order :p So ATM it is between the GTS and the GTX :) Thanks for the help :D

Happy gaming dude. Enjoy playin' with your new PC

Thanks  :)
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: LadyM on March 14, 2008, 06:09:16 am
What did Ovi say?

I put the 8800 GTX in mine and it works great. I think the 8800GTS works as well for less money if thats an issue. Be sure you know how much power your power supply uses, mine was 300W and the card ended up have a recommendation of 450W so I had to change that too. It's all working great now.

How easy is it to change the PSU? Ive been thinking of getting a new one of those
Actually he did say that was one of the harder things to change. The video card being much easier. I just wondered what he said here in the thread, I couldn't find it.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: caosss on March 14, 2008, 12:03:54 pm
So the PSU is kinda hard to change? Damn, well i need to order it first anyway :P
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Danzik on March 14, 2008, 12:25:09 pm
It's really not too difficult.  If you're comfortable opening your case, go ahead and have a look.  Should give a pretty good idea of how hard changing your PSU would be.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Megajames75 on March 14, 2008, 05:46:11 pm
I'm trying to get a new graphics card, preferably Nvidia, I have £50-£80. Can any body give me some good advice, I am currently looking at:

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-112-LT&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=912
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: caosss on March 14, 2008, 07:07:06 pm
It's really not too difficult.  If you're comfortable opening your case, go ahead and have a look.  Should give a pretty good idea of how hard changing your PSU would be.

Great thanks, yea im comfortable with opening it :P Only thing that quite annoys me is that i have a fan on the side so there is some wires that id rather not rip appart  :-X But ill survive  :P
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: eropS on March 29, 2008, 03:52:38 pm
So, who sells CPU processors? I have checked the Bestbuy and Circut City websites and a good selection doesnt come up. There is no Comp USA around, so im not sure where to look.... Anyone? (I want to actually go to the store and buy the CPU, not online.)
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Danzik on March 29, 2008, 06:34:29 pm
There aren't many retail store that sell CPUs any longer.  CompUSA did but, they're out of buisness.  I don't believe Best Buy or Circuit City does.  If you're on the west coast, check out Fry's.  Other than than, maybe a local shop but, they're probably just going to mark up the same processor you could get next-day from Newegg.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: gec05 on March 29, 2008, 08:07:24 pm
There's also places called PC Club (http://www.pcclub.com/). I have one near where I live and they sell a bunch of computer parts.

They may or may not have a store near you but you can check out their online stuff.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: bwl2 on April 07, 2008, 07:59:01 pm
If you live in the midwest http://www.microcenter.com/ (http://www.microcenter.com/) sells all kinds of computer parts locally.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: DarkDragon on April 08, 2008, 07:06:43 am
My adventures on buying a new graphics card:

So, I had an ATI X600XT 256MB and I was playing with Shader Model 2.0 (therefore couldn't play anything that required SM higher than that).
I got some money, bought an XFX 8600GT XXX OC 256MB SM4.0 DX10 (yay), I put it in and it froze the computer randomly on some games while on others it wouldn't freeze at all (mostly froze on games with the Source Engine, about 25 times a day), at first I did some research and since the card requires a 250W PSU and mine was a 350W PSU, maybe it needed some more juice so I went and bought a 535W PSU, now the card still freezes but only like 3 times a day... so I went to investigate further, it seems that the first XFX 8600GT cards have an overheating problem (20ºC above the temperature they should be at, which causes them to freeze), so now I ordered a massive cooler for it that should bring down the temperature by about 40-50 degrees on both idle and while playing (it's actually a heatsink cooler with support for an extra fan and smaller components to cool off the cards chips). This should solve the problem.

Lesson of the day: I spent about the same amount of money solving the cards problem as I spent on the card itself  :(
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Gauphastus on April 08, 2008, 01:33:17 pm
That's a really lousy situation there.

But hell, at least you can upgrade.
My bro got an 8800 GT the other day. He was smart and got PCI-e.


And here I am stuck with my AGP, damn it.
I'm gonna build my super computer sometime soon, I think.

I hope. :/


EDIT:
Oh, hey. Can anyone recommend any good monitors? Preferably LCD in the 20 - 22 inch range.
I need to decide whether or not to use the monitor for my gaming, or for my drawing. Old computer will become the offline, old games only, drawing computer.
New one is mainly for hardcore games, and for that I need a monitor with response time, wide viewing angle, and whatever. But overall good quality is important; if I wanted to use the machine for drawing later on, I want to be able to (color accuracy is fairly important, but doesn't necessarily need to be 100%).
Please recommend based on experience, or like... having seen the monitor in action personally. I've looked over like fifty models already and read all kinds of reviews.

Maybe I'll post a list of specs for the machine itself later and let the experts shred them.

EDIT2: Nevermind about the LCD. They all sound really kinda lame.
I'm still be getting one, but it'll be cheap and easily exchangeable.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: SBD on April 10, 2008, 03:46:05 am
Chimei 221D.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: MetallicDragon on April 12, 2008, 08:39:14 am
Concerning monitors, I like Samsung. We have 3 and they all work great with great image quality.

Also, I'm going to be in the market for a gaming laptop soon, since I'll be going to college. Anyone have any suggestions/tips? I've looked around E-bay, cyberpowerpc.com, and some other places. Ebay seems the best deal (100 less for about the same machine). Also should I go with Vista or stick with XP? Thanks!
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Gauphastus on April 12, 2008, 11:28:44 am
Just to warn you, gaming laptops appear to be an overly expensive sham.
If you're living at the college campus, you'd be better off with a tower and a really cheap laptop for your classwork (word processing and simple stuff).
If you're still going to live at home... well, I guess still get that cheap laptop for classwork.

But I think it would be a huge waste of your money to get a 'gaming laptop'.

Also, I'd stick with XP for a bit longer myself.


Thanks for the brand name recommendation. I'd heard good things about Samsung.
Thing is that all LCDs still have some issues, whereas my CRT here has absolutely none (aside from the obvious size and power issues).
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: LadyM on April 13, 2008, 07:13:30 am
I've gamed on a laptop for the last 2 years, an HP pavilion, it's been a workhorse for me. If you get the right one, you can do it. No problems playing Sims or Civ4. I'd stick with XP for awhile longer too, especially if you go the laptop route. It eats up recourses.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Xenomorph on April 23, 2008, 10:20:20 am
Need opinions on this please:

-Intel Core 2 Quad Q6700
-4GB RAM
-750 GB harddisk
-512 MB VGA NVIDIA 8600GT
7:1 audio (OH YEAH! START PACKING YOUR BAGS NEIGHBOURS!)

so what do you guys think of it?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Tesla on April 23, 2008, 10:38:32 am
Um... Uh...

Oh Xeno! You've made me the happiest girl in the world!
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Danzik on April 23, 2008, 11:01:25 am
Need opinions on this please:

-Intel Core 2 Quad Q6700
-4GB RAM
-750 GB harddisk
-512 MB VGA NVIDIA 8600GT
7:1 audio (OH YEAH! START PACKING YOUR BAGS NEIGHBOURS!)

so what do you guys think of it?

Very nice.  I'd definitely recommend saving $125 more and going with an 8800GT though.
(http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/41/finalchartcq2.png)

Are you building this at home or buying it from somewhere?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Xenomorph on April 23, 2008, 11:12:32 am
Are you building this at home or buying it from somewhere?

building it at home. a friend of mine is into that stuff.

Um... Uh...

Oh Xeno! You've made me the happiest girl in the world!

Its OK Dollface, anything for the Ladies..... ;D
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Danzik on April 23, 2008, 11:14:55 am
Cool.  Without knowing what motherboard you're going to be using, I'd say you'd end up wanting to change the video card soon after the thing was built.  Also, you could probably hold off getting the 4gig of ram at first in favor of buying a higher end video card.

Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Xenomorph on April 23, 2008, 10:54:26 pm
Cool.  Without knowing what motherboard you're going to be using, I'd say you'd end up wanting to change the video card soon after the thing was built.  Also, you could probably hold off getting the 4gig of ram at first in favor of buying a higher end video card.



ah, well, price is not really a problem, so i think i might keep the 4 gig and add the 8800GT.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Didero on April 24, 2008, 12:03:32 pm
I've been thinking about getting a new computer. I've asked some advice in a computer store, and they suggested the following:
Motherboard: Asus P5K or Asus P5GC-MX/1333
CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E8200 or Intel Core 2 Duo E6550
Memory: Corsair 2x1024MB DDR2 800

Any suggestions about which motherboard and CPU I should pick?
Also, I've currently got a GeForce 7600GS. If I don't upgrade that, would it slow my computer down, or can I keep it?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Gauphastus on April 24, 2008, 04:34:00 pm
I'ma getting this --

http://gauphastus.googlepages.com/ComputerGet.txt (http://gauphastus.googlepages.com/ComputerGet.txt)

Expensive, yes. But I don't mind.
And I'll be upgrading the card down the line.
I've checked and rechecked about all of these parts, and discussed hardware in length with my computer savvy buddy. Shouldn't be any problems.
I'll post pics before and after if you guys want. I'll be moving this old computer setup into my bedroom; in there, I'll run really old games like Hitman 2 and stuff (single player stuff that loads quickly and easily for short breaks), I'll compose my music stuff, and I'll draw too. It will mostly not have internet.
But in here, in my office, the new computer will run crap like Dwarf Fortress, Oblivion, Gothic 3, and all that.

Sorry, Pat. Went with WinXP Pro 64-bit. I'm just not feelin' Vista right now.


EDIT: I don't believe anyone reads this thread very often...
Whatever though. I'm leaving to order this stuff very shortly.

EDIT2: I have all the parts but the processor. That might take time; their order for more stock is slow and late.
It will be shipped directly here within a week or so.
Then I will do pictures and build the thing.
I hope I know what I'm doing...
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Danzik on April 26, 2008, 12:18:22 am
Very nice setup. If you need any advice or whatever on the build, drop a line.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: munchkin5 on April 28, 2008, 09:07:30 am
I've just bought a new dell laptop with:
Intel? Core™ 2 Duo Processor T5550 (1.83 GHz, 667 MHz FSB, 2 MB L2 cache)
4096MB 667MHz Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM [2x2048]
250GB (5400RPM) SATA Hard Drive
NVIDIA® GeForce™ Go 8600M GT with 256MB dedicated graphic memory

So what do you guys think?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: SBD on May 01, 2008, 01:24:04 am
The only thing I don't like is the processor. I'm assuming its an XPS?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: munchkin5 on May 01, 2008, 08:25:33 am
It is an XPS, but high processor speeds would of pushed it over my bidget, i'm assuming this will still run crysis however.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: SBD on May 01, 2008, 10:55:18 pm
Well, Crysis runs with a decent frame rate on my machine, which not as good as that one (I have a slightly more powerful processor though), if the graphics are turned down most of the way. It's still pretty enough though.

God I wish work would actually give me a shift once in a blue moon. I've realised how much hardware I can get for 2 grand.  >:(
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: munchkin5 on May 02, 2008, 08:16:53 am
the processor was the only problem with it, i'm not sure about wether it'll run on the less powerful processor.

EDIT: for the future does anyone know if it is actually possible, not easy, but possible to replace a laptop processor and graphics card.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Gauphastus on May 02, 2008, 11:05:28 am
I believe you can replace the processor in some models, but it's hard to find one that lets you replace the graphics card.
From what I'm reading here, you're stuck with what you've got.

That's one reason why I don't much care for gaming laptops. I'd sooner get one simply for word processing or something.

I've heard Alienware might have a very high end laptop that lets you change the graphics card, but that won't help you in your current case.
Still, I believe you'll be good to for a while. You're probably well set for Spore at least, and that's all that matters.
All that matters!
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Tesla on May 02, 2008, 12:35:34 pm
My friend has €300 to buy a laptop, but if he gets all As on the summer exams, his mom will triple it.

Talk about pressure, eh?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: SBD on May 02, 2008, 08:11:17 pm
What can one get with 300/900 euros?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Tesla on May 03, 2008, 12:09:39 pm
€300 - $462.40

€900 - $1,387.20
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: caosss on May 04, 2008, 08:45:08 am
I was wondering, can you use any power supply in any pc? Just take the old one out, new one in and plug it in?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Tesla on May 04, 2008, 12:07:00 pm
It has to be a specific type of battery, usually made by the same people who made your laptop. Try their website.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Gauphastus on May 04, 2008, 01:57:34 pm
ETA on my processor is May 12.
Alright. So I tried out my new 24" display. I've got a single stuck blue pixel that is barely noticeable at all, and I understand that there are a few tricks I could use to get it to smarten up.

So I'm quite satisfied. Viewing angles are an issue, color is a little washed out, but of course comparing it to a CRT it will lose.
One day, I'll have a perfectly good LCD display (or perhaps something else, like OLED maybe).
Computer isn't quite quick or powerful enough to handle huge resolutions, but the next one will be.
Just need the processor.
Just gotta hold on to my sanity and be patient for another week or so.
 :-X

 :'(

Man, good thing GTA4 came out when it did.


In any case, due to the shortness of my monitor cable, I believe I'll be needing to rearrange my room again.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: caosss on May 07, 2008, 02:50:06 am
my pc is a stationary ^^ not a laptop
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Danzik on May 07, 2008, 10:15:47 am
I was wondering, can you use any power supply in any pc? Just take the old one out, new one in and plug it in?
Generally, for modern computers, yes.  There are a few "ifs" but, post your PC's specs and we'll be able to determine for sure.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: SBD on May 07, 2008, 06:35:57 pm
And make sure the PSU is powerful enough.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: caosss on May 09, 2008, 12:26:07 pm
Yea well my PSU is EXTREMELY **** so.. What pc specs? I know how many W's i want but i was wondering with the size of PSU's and stuff
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Danzik on May 09, 2008, 01:09:41 pm
Size, as in the physical dimensions of the power supply?
If you're just buying an after market power supply, the size is pretty standard.

If you're trying to take it out of a different PC and put it in another one, there might be a problem.  Some manufacturers like Dell or Gateway have PSUs designed in a certain way to facilitate case cooling, so that's one concern.

Is there a certain power supply you're looking at?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: caosss on May 09, 2008, 02:30:39 pm
No i just need something from 600W and upwards, i was just wondering about the sizes since im not that familiar with the PSU's ^^
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Gauphastus on May 26, 2008, 04:14:08 pm
I was gonna make a thread, but eh.
Here's the blog entry of me building my computer. Please note that it is not a tutorial or walkthrough.

http://gaphas.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!A387FE502F7F9C9!259.entry (http://gaphas.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!A387FE502F7F9C9!259.entry)
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: MetallicDragon on June 02, 2008, 11:49:29 am
I'm in the market for a gaming laptop, around 1000-1250, anyone have any tips?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Tesla on June 02, 2008, 11:50:55 am
Dell is cheap.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Xenomorph on June 02, 2008, 12:48:56 pm
Dell is cheap.

But dell sucks...
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: munchkin5 on June 02, 2008, 01:44:44 pm
hey, my laptops dell, and it's fine >:(

the dell XPS M1530 is what i have, you should probably upgrade the base models memory and graphics, the processor may look slow but it runs all the decent games.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Tesla on June 02, 2008, 02:04:00 pm
Dell is cheap.

But dell sucks...

No it doesn't.

And THAT is how you deal with arguments.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: SBD on June 02, 2008, 08:27:08 pm
If you want a good gaming rig then you're better off building it yourself, but other then that Dell are good.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: MetallicDragon on June 02, 2008, 11:04:06 pm
Isn't it like 5x harder to build your own laptop compared to a desktop? Also isn't Dell overpriced and full of "bonus" software that muddles you up?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Tesla on June 02, 2008, 11:11:10 pm
Usually you can refuse most of that software.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: SBD on June 02, 2008, 11:44:31 pm
Isn't it like 5x harder to build your own laptop compared to a desktop? Also isn't Dell overpriced and full of "bonus" software that muddles you up?

Oh, probably. I was talking about desktops.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Tesla on June 04, 2008, 09:09:12 am
Right, how exactly would I go about finding compatible video cards for my laptop?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Xenomorph on June 04, 2008, 09:11:40 am
get the manual. for almost EVERY pc/labtop there is a manual online, unless its Custom build. it will tell you which type of video cards will work.  ;)
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Tesla on June 04, 2008, 09:41:53 am
I can go one step higher... a physical manual! How high tech!

Cant't find either physical or virtual manual. :(
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Xenomorph on June 04, 2008, 11:28:55 am
Can you give me your labtop's motherboard specs? i mean, can you give me its name? You know how to use dxdiag right? if not, go to start > execute (or whatever is below the search ;D) > type: dxdiag >  ok

you'll get to see your motherboard's name and stuff, and with that you can search what it can handle

Good luck! ;)
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Tesla on June 04, 2008, 01:20:42 pm
Hmm... I knew of DX Diagnostic already, but I didn't know that.

EDIT - Is a motherboard the same as a processor? Cos there nothing that reads "Motherboard"

Anyway, my processor is - AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile Technology TL-60.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: SBD on June 06, 2008, 12:09:38 am
Basically, the mother board is the piece of hardware that allows all the other bits to talk to each other.

Sort of.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Xenomorph on June 06, 2008, 07:45:45 am
darn, well, then the only thing that could help you is to find the manual. there has to be one! :-\

because there could be another way, but it's not an easy one for a labtop. well, its more like an impossible one. you'll have to open your pc to see which videocard/motherboard is in there by yourself. which is almost impossible for a labtop.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Tesla on June 06, 2008, 08:48:51 am
No thanks! :D
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: munchkin5 on June 06, 2008, 12:10:25 pm
from what i hear, it is almost impossilbe to upgrade your laptop, especially with new video cards, so you'sd be better of going with a new P.C
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Tesla on June 06, 2008, 12:27:33 pm
I think my graphics card is good enough anyway.

I have an ATI Radeon X1150... And I am betting that that is better than one of the other cards in the spore CCs system specs... the ATI Radeon X800

I mean, those numbers have to mean something, right?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Tesla on June 13, 2008, 11:58:56 am
Sorry for the double post... I'm still looking for an answer, but in the meantime I have another fairly important question -

If I were to upgrade an incredibly bad computer, what would I upgrade first?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Danzik on June 13, 2008, 06:25:14 pm
With Radeon, I believe the X1150 means Generation 1-150 series.
Let me find a chart...

Also, not knowing the specs of the PC you're upgrading, first off, be sure it's an ATX power supply.  Anyway, post the specs and depending on board, it could be any of a few things.

Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: ilikesanta on June 14, 2008, 03:03:54 pm
I posted this in the spore hardware requirements topic and realized that it's probably better suited here:

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:'( my computer isn't good enough. My poor little Radeon 9250 PCI bus isn't supported and the read me file, from the trial version of the editor, told me this:

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PCI slots (not PCIe or PCIx or AGP), such as some GeForce FX variants, will perform poorly.

So I either need to get a new mother board, (stuff like this scares me) or just by a new computer.  :'(

Any suggestions

So yeah any suggestions?

*EDIT*
oh yes I only interested in upgrading my/buying a new computer for playing spore, I'm mostly a console gamer, so I don't need a super uber computer. "That being said," I don't mind having a computer that's somewhat "future proof."

**EDIT**
I might consider going the MAC route. Any Mac heads out there?Ok those are way to expensive.

***EDIT***
Ok so I got back from the store and I was eye balling this:

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HP - Pavilion Media Center Desktop with AMD Phenom™ Quad-Core Processor 9500
Model: m8400f SKU: 8773464
AMD LIVE! Smarter Digital Entertainment; AMD Phenom™ quad-core processor 9500; 3GB DDR2 SDRAM; DL DVD±RW/CD-RW drive; LightScribe labeling; 720GB hard drive capacity; Windows Vista Home Premium with SP1
Price: $779.99

Anyone have anything against HP computers?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Gauphastus on June 14, 2008, 07:04:49 pm
They're very compact inside (causes heat issues, and space issues for certain parts) and they come preinstalled with a bit of crap, but mine lasted a couple years.
Pre-built machines are usually iffy. They come with some average parts here, one good part maybe, and the rest is total crap.

I figure building your own is best, but if you haven't seen it done or aren't very hardware savvy, it can be a bit of a challenge to get into.

EDIT: http://www.anandtech.com/ may be able to help you.
You've got a couple months to go before the full game hits; that's plenty of time to get at least partly hardware savvy.
There are also videos on youtube that demonstrate how to assemble a computer.
And then you can come back here for specific parts recommendations. Or make a request on anandtech; those guys are awesome.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Danzik on June 14, 2008, 07:15:57 pm
Quote
HP - Pavilion Media Center Desktop with AMD Phenom™ Quad-Core Processor 9500
Model: m8400f SKU: 8773464
AMD LIVE! Smarter Digital Entertainment; AMD Phenom™ quad-core processor 9500; 3GB DDR2 SDRAM; DL DVD±RW/CD-RW drive; LightScribe labeling; 720GB hard drive capacity; Windows Vista Home Premium with SP1
Price: $779.99

Anyone have anything against HP computers?


The 8500GT is a pretty weak card.  If possible, I'd start with an upgrade there.
By the way, Circuit City has it for $80 off on their site.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: ilikesanta on June 14, 2008, 11:20:19 pm
The 8500GT is a pretty weak card.  If possible, I'd start with an upgrade there.
By the way, Circuit City has it for $80 off on their site.

Yeah I was thinking I would have to do that eventually, but the starting card should be good enough to run spore, and that's the only thing i really care about, and it's also better then my old card so I'll be easily impressed.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Tesla on June 15, 2008, 09:25:17 am
In building a PC, would I need to purchase a wifi card and attach it to the motherboard if I wanted wifi without a horrible dongle?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: SBD on June 15, 2008, 08:55:33 pm
Does anyone else snigger at the word 'dongle'?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Danzik on June 15, 2008, 09:02:26 pm
In building a PC, would I need to purchase a wifi card and attach it to the motherboard if I wanted wifi without a horrible dongle?
Many of the new motherboards come with WiFi built in.  However, to answer your question, an internal PCI wireless card would work fine.  Just be careful not to break off the antenna that will extend from the back of the PC case (I've done that before :/)
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Tesla on June 16, 2008, 09:50:07 am
Are physics cards expensive? What happens if you put 4 cards of RAM in, two in one colour and two in another? Would installing two video cards improve performance? Is it true the motherboard is the only non-upgradeable thing? About how much should I worry about incompatible parts?

Chock full of questions is me.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Didero on June 16, 2008, 02:11:03 pm
Are physics cards expensive?
I don't know, but they're pretty useless, because only a handful of games support one, and CPU's are getting fast enough to calculate the physics themselves.

What happens if you put 4 cards of RAM in, two in one colour and two in another?
I'm not sure what you mean by 'colour', but as long as your motherboard supports the type and size of the RAM, I don't see why you couldn't add more.

Would installing two video cards improve performance?
It does, but only slightly. General consensus is that it's not worth the money.

Is it true the motherboard is the only non-upgradeable thing?
Well, you can upgrade the motherboard of a PC, I don't think you can upgrade a laptop's motherboard though. But usually when you change your motherboard, you have to change the rest of the hardware too, because it doesn't work with the new motherboard. That's not always the case though.

About how much should I worry about incompatible parts?
It can be annoying if an expensive piece of hardware doesn't work with your current computer setup. It's always smart to check if you've got the correct ports/slots on your computer before you buy a new piece of hardware.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Tesla on June 16, 2008, 02:26:15 pm

I'm not sure what you mean by 'colour', but as long as your motherboard supports the type and size of the RAM, I don't see why you couldn't add more.


As far as I know a lot of motherboards have a few RAM slots, and the slots have colours. If you insert two RAM cards into two slots of the same colour, they'll work together like one card.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: ilikesanta on June 17, 2008, 10:26:48 am
I never noticed they color coded Ram. I don't know about color but if the ram is the same type of ram and your mother board works with that type, then yes if you put in two 2gig rams your computer will be working with a total of 4 gigs of ram. Be careful because some mother boards have a max amount of ram they can work with.

The color thing might be just so people know where to plug ram in, it might not be color coded for each type of ram. But I don't know, and I wouldn't trust it buy color alone.

EDIT

For those that care I did buy that HP computer I mentioned earlier. I got it form Circuit City and saved $80. Thanks for you advice.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Xenomorph on June 18, 2008, 07:09:06 am
ok guys, after months of doing research 'n stuff, i came up with the following configuration:

Processor :  Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600, Quadcore

RAM : 2 Gigabyte DDR2 PC6400 (2 x 1024 Dual Channel)  (but will become 4 gigs when i get the money) 
 
Videocard : Asus EN8800GT/HTDP/1G (That's 1024 MB Videocard memory :D )

Harddisk Samsung Spinpoint F1 1Terabyte, 7200rpm, SATA-2  (1 goddamn TERRABYTE!)

and i can get it fairly cheap!  :D
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: SBD on June 20, 2008, 12:54:41 am
Crap, thats not bad. make sure you get a powerful enough psu as well.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Xenomorph on June 20, 2008, 05:38:36 am
Crap, thats not bad. make sure you get a powerful enough psu as well.

thanks! yeah, this really needs a super PSU.


I still have doubts between the dual core and the Quad core.
i heard Dual core is more made for gaming, and the Quad core for multitasking.

Is it that much of a difference? I mean, can you really feel the difference?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Ultramarine on June 24, 2008, 09:07:38 am
Well dualcore is just enough without overwhelming you computer.
Quadcore, like you said it best for multitasking.

I'll look into it xeno.

*Edit

Found the main disadvantages of multicore systems. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-core_(computing)#Disadvantages)

Also try and clean up that double post.

Finally starting to understand what's under the hood of computers now.
But way too unexperienced to build one yet :D, plus the problem with cost :P
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Xenomorph on June 24, 2008, 09:30:04 am
ah, thanks man! I think i'll take a Dual core now. (Thank god i wondered what the difference would be..)

also, i've cleaned up the double post.


Processor  Intel Core 2 Duo E6750 

motherboard ASUS P5K-VM 

RAM  Corsair 2048MB 

Harddisk  Samsung 1TB

Vidocard ASUS EN8800GS/TOP/HTDP, 384M/A 


God, Doing research and finding the correct parts is a pain in the ass! how's this?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Ultramarine on June 24, 2008, 09:37:41 am
Nice specs man.

I need to look into my dream computer.
I say dream since I am no where near buying or building a pc.

Wonder if it's better to upgrade or buy another pc; mines about 3 to 4 years of age.
The only thing I would worry about it money.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Xenomorph on June 24, 2008, 09:53:39 am
well, perhaps you could post your spec's here so we can take a look at it!


Finally starting to understand what's under the hood of computers now.
But way too unexperienced to build one yet :D, plus the problem with cost :P

me too! Its just a matter of research! lots and lots of it!
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Ultramarine on June 24, 2008, 10:18:53 am
Don't want to effort pulling out the laptop so here's my desktop information instead.
I really don't plan on upgrading since it could do irreparable damage to my pc, but it's just a thought.


Model Computer: Dimension 4300 (bought it around 02/03)

Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1.50 GHz

512 RAM

Direct X 9.0

16MB ATI Rage 128 Ultra

Sound/Max Digital Audio

I'll post laptop specs in a bit!
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Tesla on June 24, 2008, 10:23:08 am
Oh my, thats the exact same as our family PC. We're replacing it this week, I'm getting it and I'm planning to upgrade it!

Weird coincidence huh?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Ultramarine on June 24, 2008, 10:24:03 am
Indeed it is :o

Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Lord Janos on June 25, 2008, 03:07:23 am
Hi there,

Well I'm off to university this Fall, and my computer blew up a while ago, and what I'm on now is too cumbersome and slow to take with me that it just wouldn't be practical.  Therefore I'm looking for a laptop which I can use for essays and just general perusing... graphics aren't that important just a laptop which runs quickly and which can be used effectively for all my administrative needs - I have the X360 for gaming!

I'm setting my budget for about £300 (about $600), and would appreciate it if anybody could give any advice or refer some good websites as I don't really know much about laptops.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Cobra on June 25, 2008, 05:47:56 am
While at it I'm in the market for a laptop as well I dont PC game heavily but as long as it will run spore I'll be happy. I have a similar budget (in $AUD) although will go a bit higher.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Mae on June 25, 2008, 06:08:54 am
I'll beat DarkDragon to it. Behold:


http://event.asus.com/eeepc/microsites/en/index.htm
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Axelgear on June 25, 2008, 06:42:54 am
Don't get Alienware, whatever you do! Those things overheat so much that people get scars on their legs.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Lord Janos on June 25, 2008, 06:51:08 am
I'll beat DarkDragon to it. Behold:


http://event.asus.com/eeepc/microsites/en/index.htm

Brilliant, that's just perfect actually.  I'll look into them a little more.  Thanks a lot.

Any other suggestions are welcome, of course.

EDIT - the only trouble with those Eee PCs is that they have low battery time and don't have very much storage space.  They all seem to be Linux as well...
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Legodragonxp on June 25, 2008, 07:05:49 am
Don't get Alienware, whatever you do! Those things overheat so much that people get scars on their legs.

They went under and are now owned by Dell.
-Lego
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Tesla on June 25, 2008, 07:45:29 am
Speaking of Dell, I think they're pretty cheap for what you get.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: /lurk on June 25, 2008, 08:23:10 am
As I recall, the best advice when buying a computer is to visit your local computer shop (find one run by genuine computer nerds, not a soulless corporation like PC World) and ask them what they can build for your budget. Maybe give that a try?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Lord Janos on June 25, 2008, 12:47:09 pm
As I recall, the best advice when buying a computer is to visit your local computer shop (find one run by genuine computer nerds, not a soulless corporation like PC World) and ask them what they can build for your budget. Maybe give that a try?

I never buy these products from local stores.  Retail prices are a complete rip-off.  I only purchase electronics from the internet, the prices are much more sensible.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on June 25, 2008, 12:51:05 pm
Only if you are building on the high end. In my experiences I've found that the computer shops and the large companies can always undercut anything you build if it is a low or mid range machine. Even some of the higher end stuff can be cheaper. At the end of the day, Dell builds a very good computer for a competitive price nowadays. Unless you're going to get a high end machine, you're going to be better off buying from a company that builds computers.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Serinen on June 27, 2008, 09:58:14 am
I've come to the conclusion that my PC is old and I need a new one. I bought this one in 2003 from PC world (I know they're a rip off but I had little choice at the time) and it's served me quite well over the last 5 years but it's time for a change.

My problem is I have no idea where to look or whether I'm getting value for money. I have little experience with the hardware side of PCs so I'm kind of lost :-[. I'm looking to get a desktop gaming PC that can handle todays games on max and that's going to handle future games well for a couple of years. My buget is at max £2000 (including VAT)
I was looking at www.overclockers.co.uk  (http://www.overclockers.co.uk) but once again I have no idea what to get or if their giving good prices :-\.

Any kind of help would be appreciated (keep in mind I live in UK)
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on June 27, 2008, 10:06:31 am
Happy to help, I'm going to ask you some questions first.

First off, what kind of computer do you want, high end, mid rage?
What is your budget?
What games do you hope to be able to run and at what settings do you want to run them at?
What else will you be doing with your computer besides gaming?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Serinen on June 27, 2008, 10:53:46 am
Lol, I kind of answered those question in my original post ;D, I'll post again though.

My budget is at max £2000 (including VAT)
I'd like to be able to play games like Crysis and Mass Effect on max setting (if possible) and obliviously spore :D.
I'll also use it for the internet, watching movies/DVDs and maybe making some CDs/DVDs.

Cheers for the help :).
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on June 27, 2008, 12:33:50 pm
That was my mistake for asking you again, sorry about that. :)

Alright, well I guess we can get the ball rolling then. I'm going to start looking through Overclockers.co for you and will find what you need. I do have one more question though! You mentioned that you do not have much experience with hardware so I am assuming that you don't know how to put a computer together. I ask because there are some differences in pricing when building your own or buying a package.

On the one hand, if you buy the package there is no work and you get a computer; however, this also means that if you want a high end machine you'll have to pay more for it. Conversely, if you build it yourself you will pay less for the high end machine but will have to put everything together. This equation flips around though when dealing with mid-range and low-range machines; package deals are definitely more affordable than anything you can put together. You've said that you want a high-end machine so you'll get more bang for your buck if you build it yourself. I can still get you the same computer in a package but it will cost you more. Just want you to be aware of this. Sorry if I've bombarded you with too much information.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Serinen on June 27, 2008, 02:21:55 pm
I did have have a friend who built me a PC a while ago (was a complete mess :P) and I have had a little experience with adding hardrives, RAM and graphics cards to my old PCs but I don't believe I have nearly enough knowledge to build my own from scratch, also If I get it wrong that's a load of cash down the drain. I'll let someone else build it for me for now and maybe later down the road I'll have a go at building my own.

I was also looking at www.dell.com/uk (http://www1.euro.dell.com/content/topics/topic.aspx/emea/segments/dhs/odg_special48?c=uk&l=en&s=dhs&cs=ukdhs1), they look like they've a good selection as well if you want to check them.

Just do the best you can, it's all I can ask. I appreciate all your help.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on June 27, 2008, 02:32:28 pm
Glad to do it!
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Tesla on June 27, 2008, 02:36:29 pm
Don't forget to have a look at local stores, Dell is cheap but some of that cost is shipping and handling and extra tax. Plus small computer business' usually sell cheaper.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Xenomorph on June 27, 2008, 11:48:06 pm
I'm not trying to brag, but

well, hum, did you guys remember that PC i was going to get? well it comes in next week.
i rechecked the specs yesterday and i noticed that it wasn't a 8800gtx, but a 9800gtx!  :D

so its:
 P5K P35 MoBo, which gives me a lot of upgrading-oppertunities
Intel core 2 dual e8500 processor, which is currently the best dual core
9800gtx graphic card, which is from the latest 9 series
500 gigs harddrive.
4 gigs of ram, which should be enough for a couple of years  ;)

happy face! :D this is really an improvement from my current one!

my current one:

64 MB videocard without shaders whatsoever,
Intel Pentium 4
70 gig harddrive
600 MB RAM

*facepalm towards his PC* YOU FAIL!

but guys, the wedding is planned next week, and there's Crysis weddingcake,  bioshock drinks and a Cod4 band!

you're all invited!

 
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Tesla on June 28, 2008, 04:25:47 am
I call Best Man.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: SBD on July 01, 2008, 12:45:44 am
I shotgun being the priest.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Xenomorph on July 01, 2008, 01:38:21 am
Ok, the wedding is planned for next saturday. B there! :D
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Bama on July 01, 2008, 06:19:08 pm
I can't find on here what are the requirements for spore. Can someone link me up with a good computer that they might have that spore would work well on ?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Ultramarine on July 01, 2008, 06:25:10 pm
PC: Windows XP/Vista, 2.0 GHz P4 processor or eq., 512 MB RAM (768 for Vista), 128 MB video card (Pixel Shader 2.0 support), 6 GB HD. Internet connection. (For computers using built-in graphics chipsets: Intel Integrated Chipset 945GM, 2.6 GHz Pentium D CPU, or 1.8 GHz Core 2 Duo, 768 MB RAM)

That kind of figures what computer you'll need, depends on your taste but I use Dell PC's.
It's all personal preference.

Here's the Dell page (http://www.dell.com/content/products/category.aspx/desktops?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs)

It's really good if we know your average income, than maybe we can help you spot a great computer at the right price.

Also,welcome to GamingSteve!
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Bama on July 01, 2008, 06:27:08 pm
Thanks. I used to be into computers but 3 years of being married I've lost track. haha. Now that I'm divorcing I'm getting a new computer.  :D
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Ultramarine on July 01, 2008, 06:29:27 pm
You're welcome, and sorry to hear about the divorce :P

Also note that there's another thread in the PC section.
Here's a link (http://www.gamingsteve.com/blab/index.php?topic=7193.0) for you, be sure to check it out for more advice ;)
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Bama on July 01, 2008, 06:31:29 pm
Trust me I'm better off. Only not seeing my son has sucked while this has gone on...but anway...thanks !
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Bama on July 01, 2008, 06:44:20 pm
these any good for spore ?

http://www.alienware.com/
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Ultramarine on July 01, 2008, 06:51:09 pm
Try and compare the system's specs with theses for Spore:

PC: Windows XP/Vista, 2.0 GHz P4 processor or eq., 512 MB RAM (768 for Vista), 128 MB video card (Pixel Shader 2.0 support), 6 GB HD. Internet connection. (For computers using built-in graphics chipsets: Intel Integrated Chipset 945GM, 2.6 GHz Pentium D CPU, or 1.8 GHz Core 2 Duo, 768 MB RAM)

Just make sure the one you have now could play spore with this. (http://www.systemrequirementslab.com/referrer/srtest)
It's not always necessary to by a whole new PC. Even just a few part upgrades is good enough so check to find out if a few simple things need to be changed so you don't have to waste your hard earned  money on a computer.

*Edit*

Also can you please specify which PC you want.
All I see is the main page, so link me to the one you're eying.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Bama on July 01, 2008, 06:58:35 pm
Not sure. My PC fried and my wife took hers so I have nothing now. I was just wondering if alienware was any good.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Ultramarine on July 01, 2008, 07:04:16 pm
I see...

Well depends on how much money you can spend at the time, what's your average income?
So for starters I suggest a duo core system, better for gaming. Quad core costs more and it's better for multitasking like business projects et cetera.

This is the main Desktop page (http://www.alienware.com/products/desktop-computers.aspx), and here's the laptop page. (http://www.alienware.com/products/notebook-computers.aspx) Alienware has a knack for being pricey, but it's worth it when it comes to the requirments. Most of the newer systems they have distributed now can accomidate Spore's needs. Take a look around ;)!
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Bama on July 01, 2008, 07:06:04 pm
So with them getting a laptop would be safe to do ?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Ultramarine on July 01, 2008, 07:09:14 pm
What ever may handle Spore and is cost efficient to you sir ;)

If your more on the go, laptop, more stay at home guy, desktop.
Or if you can afford it both!

Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on July 01, 2008, 07:15:56 pm
What is your budget, Bama? That's an important detail that we'll need to know.


**EDIT**
And to answer your question, Alienware builds a good computer but they are a bit overpriced. With Alienware you're also buying a lifestyle, so to speak.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Ultramarine on July 01, 2008, 07:17:54 pm
That's the main thing we need to know.

Some of those down payments on those PC's and laptops are pretty pricey.
I mean nearly $180 a month, not including other add ons .
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Bama on July 01, 2008, 07:45:40 pm
I could afford 100 to 150 a month.

Would the gamers choice one be ok ?

http://www.alienware.com/customize/area-51-m17x-fc-gs.aspx?Syscode=PC-LT-AREA51M17X-GC&SubCode=SKU-DEFAULT
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Ultramarine on July 01, 2008, 07:49:28 pm
Very nice specs, but very high prices :D.

They're all pretty high end but I suggest you get the Fixed Configuration edition if your looking for the cheapest one out of all the available selections.

But have you ever thought of Dell? I bring them up for the fact that there prices are pretty good (especially the XPS 720 H2C desktop), and they're pretty reliable. But that's just my thoughts.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Bama on July 01, 2008, 07:56:01 pm
That's the problem i dont know what i want or need haha  :o
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Ultramarine on July 01, 2008, 07:59:47 pm
Well analyze the data, sum up the amount of cash you'll need for it, and come back here once you think you have a good idea on what you need/want.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: DaMuncha on July 01, 2008, 09:55:55 pm
My PC runs all games well. I have:

2.4 gig quad core CPU
2 gigs high speed gaming ram (1024 MHZ)
250 gig Hard Drive
Nvidia Geforce 8800 GTS 300MB
20" Flat Screen LCD
DVD Writer
External DSL
Logitech 5.1 Surround Speakers
Seagate Motehrboard with Built in 3D Sound Card

The only game I have that runs even slightly slow is Oblivion, and thats because I have it modded up the bum.

Cost me $2500 NZ
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Xenomorph on July 01, 2008, 10:12:19 pm
yep man, just like Yutti said, Read. a lot. Find some tweakers forums, read everything they discuss and look at the reviews of different components. ;)

Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Granite T. Rock on July 01, 2008, 10:23:05 pm
My computer crashed.  Or more accurately my harddrive gave me the click of death.  Fortunately I have backed up all my important files so I took the event almost gracefully.  (well maybe not!)  But I thought you guys might learn from my experience, or at least get a pulse on where prices are going.

I bought the system custom built as a package at a local computer store for just under $1350 Cdn including the 14% taxes I had to pay.  So it'd be around 1150 US before taxes.  But I will note the very appoximate prices per item based upon my research and what the guy at the store told me.  The specs for my new system are:

Intel Duo Core E8400 (that's two 3.0Ghz processors) (200)
2 x 1 Gig sticks of 800 mhz Ram Kingston Value Ram (60)
BFG Overclocked Geforce 8800GT 512MB Ram (215)
Soundblaster X-fi Fatal1ty card with X-ram (150)
LG dual layer DVD burner (80?)
Intel DG35EC Classic Series Motherboard (110)
Antec  NSK 4480 case with a 380 Watt power supply (100)
Windows VISTA (200+??)  (I know what was I thinking?  Well DX10 actually.  So far I happy with it)
Multicard reader with floppy drive (10-20)
2 year parts and labour warranty.
and I used my old keyboard, mouse, monitor and logitech surround sound speakers.

What I can say is that I am very, very, very happy with the performance of this machine.  I've played battlefield 2, world in conflict and spore creature creator with settings maxed out and it works perfect.  Battlefield became much smother and enjoyable with the extra power of.  I can't wait to try something a bit more intense (crysis maybe? Any recommendations?)

Even though I'm very happy with this.  A satisfying computer can definately be had with someone on a stricter budget.  Most people probably don't need as fancy Audio card as I got (I'm an audiophile at heart) so right off the bat, you can get a very decent system without monitor for under 1000 bucks. Downgrading the video card  and processor a bit could easily save a person another 100-150 bucks or so.  Getting XP instead Vista or transferring your current lisence to the new computer could save another 100 for XP or 200 bucks if you use your old lisense. Generally I buy a computer to last 3-5 years with maybe small upgrade at the 3.5 year mark to extend it and I have a feeling this computer might be up for it.

Another option would be to forego the graphics card and audio card all together, esp if you aren't doing any significant gaming as it does have these things "onboard" the motherboard.  Then after a while you can add whatever card you want later.  Monitors truly suck up a computer budget.  If you already have one, definately don't get a new one and instead spend it on other parts, or pocket the money and save it for when your monitor does decide to die.  Time also has a neutralizing effect.  When I was first dreaming of this computer 6 months ago, it would have probably been another 400 more expensive.  I was hoping to wait until Sept. but my old hard drive had other plans for me.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on July 02, 2008, 04:50:43 am
Well, any questions that Bama is going to have can be answered here so there's no reason to send him on a wild goose chase to find information that he knows nothing about. Bama, tell me, when you go onto your computer now what is it that you do? Describe a normal day at the computer for us, we'll build you something based on that. Also give us your budget if you can.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Bama on July 02, 2008, 04:02:14 pm
nothing since the one i'm using now is crappy. I want a laptop powerful enough that I can run games like spore and such on. I'd prefer 1,000 to 1,500 price range but I can go up to 2,000.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on July 02, 2008, 04:04:07 pm
Alrighty, that'll do fine. I'm sure we'll be able to find something that will suit your needs, no problem.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Bama on July 02, 2008, 04:26:40 pm
Would I just be better off getting a desktop ?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Ultramarine on July 02, 2008, 04:55:17 pm
If your on the go than that's a good option.

But like we previously stated it's best if we know how high your aiming in performance and and price. Also, get rid of that double post please.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Bama on July 02, 2008, 05:00:28 pm
Basically just powerful enough to run high end graphic games and $1,500 and under in price.

The best power I can get for my buck.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Ultramarine on July 02, 2008, 05:04:27 pm
Ok that narrows down my search, take a look at this (http://www.alienware.com/products/area-51-m15x-notebook_d.aspx?SysCode=PC-LT-AREA51M15X-AI1&SubCode=SKU-DELL&from=DELLINT:m15xvert&source=DLL0004&disc=1) laptop for size!

Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Mae on July 02, 2008, 05:06:48 pm
Wow.... that is teh secks.


I'm afraid to ask the price, though?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Ultramarine on July 02, 2008, 05:10:44 pm
That is the disadvantage of not having high end.
And I'm guessing you said that Mae because you've seen better.

That's the best I can find for now, actually it's the average price for a decent laptop now a days.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Bama on July 02, 2008, 05:18:58 pm
I feel dumb asking so much but would a 1,500 desktop be better
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Ultramarine on July 02, 2008, 05:27:55 pm
Aww, don't feel dumb about it that's why we're here to help :)

Depends on the deal, for example a 1500 dollar laptop with a high grade graphics card, sound card and additional memory.

If you can afford the standard than go with that, highgrade deal than go with that.
Still, you can always customize your laptop after you buy, so necessarily you can always get a decent laptop and add more later. Disadvantage to that is more money for parts instead of getting the whole good deal, but that's for you to decide.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Danzik on July 02, 2008, 05:45:42 pm
Still, you can always customize your laptop after you buy, so necessarily you can always get a decent laptop and add more later.
No.  Sometimes you can add more ram or perhaps a larger hardrive but, you're going to have a hard (if not impossible) time upgrading the videocard as they're usually integrated into the motherboard.

Generally, you can build/buy a great desktop for less than you can get a laptop for.
For example, have a look at this (http://www.maximumpc.com/article/build_your_own_nocompromises_1500_pc).  Then compare it to a Dell laptop at equivalent price here (http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/xpsnb_m1730?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs&~ck=mn) (Click tech specs when you're on that page.

As someone said, the best way is simply to do the research and compare.
Is the portability of a laptop worth the trade off of being able to upgrade a PC?  That's generally the more important question.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on July 02, 2008, 05:49:09 pm
Alright, I've got three systems lined up for you. They're all Dell computers, one is a laptop and the other two are desktops. Each is under $1,600 (shipping not included). I can assure you that all three will run Spore to your liking as well as most other games that are out. You'll also be able to do whatever else you need and they will function well as multimedia centers.

Unfortunately Dell is not friendly when it comes to sharing the computers that you build so if you want, I can email you the things I've come up with. Contrary to what people like to say, Dell builds a good solid computer and I respect them greatly.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Ultramarine on July 02, 2008, 05:50:13 pm
Still, you can always customize your laptop after you buy, so necessarily you can always get a decent laptop and add more later.
No.  Sometimes you can add more ram or perhaps a larger hardrive but, you're going to have a hard (if not impossible) time upgrading the videocard as they're usually integrated into the motherboard.

Oh, I didn't mean add on as in add more to the system.
I meant like upgrade accordingly to your wanted preference.

Still there's a limit to how much you can overhaul a computer.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Bama on July 02, 2008, 06:13:45 pm
what are you guys using
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on July 02, 2008, 06:15:51 pm
I'm using a computer that I put together myself.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Ultramarine on July 02, 2008, 06:18:32 pm
My specs as of now:

Model Computer: Dimension 4300 (bought it around 02/03)

Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1.50 GHz

512 RAM

Direct X 9.0

16MB ATI Rage 128 Ultra

Sound/Max Digital Audio

My system isn't even close to adequate when it comes to gaming (adequate when it comes to anything heavy duty).
It's decent but you wanted to know so here you go.

It was bought by the way, at that time I barely had any knowledge of PC's so I couldn't have built it myself including cost since I don't work.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Bama on July 02, 2008, 06:48:41 pm
What about this ???

http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=us&cs=19&l=en&oc=DYDOHA1&s=dhs
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Ultramarine on July 02, 2008, 06:50:36 pm
That's a good alternative.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on July 02, 2008, 07:04:22 pm
One of the models I put together for you was from that series.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Danzik on July 02, 2008, 09:19:23 pm
what are you guys using

Code: [Select]
Processor: 
AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+, MMX, 3DNow (2 CPUs), ~2.2GHz

Memory:
2046MB RAM

Hard Drive:
160 GB

Video Card:
NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS

Monitor:
Dell 2007WFP (Digital) + Sony 17" LCD

Sound Card:
SoundMAX HD Audio

Operating System:
Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 2 (2600.xpsp_sp2_gdr.070227-2254)

What about this ???

http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=us&cs=19&l=en&oc=DYDOHA1&s=dhs
That's nice.  Dell does make some great laptops.  Have you gamed on a 15.4" screen though?  Didn't much care for it myself.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Bama on July 02, 2008, 10:18:30 pm
Went with this. After all the upgrades I put on it the order comes right under 1,500. It didnt process though so going to have to call tomorrow.

http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=us&cs=19&l=en&oc=DYDOHA1&s=dhs

thanks guys !
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on July 02, 2008, 10:28:31 pm
Cool! I hope it all works out for you, it's been fun!
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Xenomorph on July 02, 2008, 11:36:02 pm
ah, missed the party :D Have fun with it Bama!
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Bama on July 03, 2008, 08:35:09 pm
I got the creature creator but I cant play it til my computer comes in !  :'(
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Xenomorph on July 08, 2008, 05:45:15 am
God yes! This new pc is the best thing that has ever happened to me! Crysis on high, bioshock on high, etc etc!  :D
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Tesla on July 08, 2008, 05:56:01 am
*Punches Xeno several times*
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on July 08, 2008, 06:43:57 am
Glad your new computer is working out! Are you ready for phase two?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Xenomorph on July 08, 2008, 09:12:33 am
phase 2?  :-*

Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on July 08, 2008, 01:50:59 pm
Making it better... faster... stronger...
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Xenomorph on July 08, 2008, 11:36:19 pm
aaah! things like overclocking 'n stuff? :) yeah, i might do that! but i was thinking about doing some casemodding soon, because some pc's look awesome!
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: MetallicDragon on July 09, 2008, 09:20:44 pm
I'm needing a laptop for college. I have a budget of around 1500$. I've been looking around and it seems I can't get any video cards better than an 8600GT in that price range unless I only get a 15.4" screen instead of a 17" one. I've looked at Newegg, Dell, Alienware, HP etc. and they are all (except Newegg) overpriced or in HP's case don't have anything better than an 8600M GS. Anyone have any tips?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Tesla on July 10, 2008, 05:16:38 am
15.4 inch screens are perfectly fine, why ask for more?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: MetallicDragon on July 10, 2008, 02:16:17 pm
Because 17" is bigger and better!

Well I ordered my new laptop: http://cgi.ebay.com/Asus-M70SA-A1-17%22-High-Definition-Multimedia-Notebook_W0QQitemZ260259786269QQcmdZViewItem?IMSfp=TL08070815112r21075
 (http://cgi.ebay.com/Asus-M70SA-A1-17%22-High-Definition-Multimedia-Notebook_W0QQitemZ260259786269QQcmdZViewItem?IMSfp=TL08070815112r21075)
After looking around forever this is the only one that fits into my price range and is of a good brand and case. I had hoped to get nVidia but this card appears better than the 8600 GT which was the only other card I could get in this price range with a 17" screen. I can't wait for it to get here!
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Tesla on July 10, 2008, 02:47:57 pm
WANT WANT WANT.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Brandonazz on July 14, 2008, 04:44:37 pm
Alright guys.

I have a $500 limit for Christmas. I can contribute some money to that so assume +/- 50ish dollars.

Currents Specs:

Motherboard: ASUS P5NSLI

Intel Core 2 CPU 6400 @ 2.13GHz

2.00 GB RAM [3 of four slots used]

32-bit Vista Ultimate

Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce 8400GS (http://www.nvidia.com/object/geforce_8400.html)

C Drive = 300 GB [200 Free] MAXTOR S TM3320620AS SCSI Disk Device
E Drive = 250 GB [6 Free] WDC WD25 00KS-00MJB0 SCSI Disk Sevice

CD/DVD Drive = HL-DT-ST DVD-RAM GSA-H22N ATA Device

Now what I do make it go better? :B
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on July 14, 2008, 05:57:22 pm
Honestly that looks fine. What have you been having issues with?

The video card could be upgraded and since the 8xxx series is cheap now you may be able to do SLI. More RAM is always nice too.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: MetallicDragon on July 14, 2008, 06:17:19 pm
Probably the biggest thing you can do is get a new video card, that one is pretty weak. And like Pat said, a little more ram wouldn't hurt, but it wouldn't really help too much either.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: MetallicDragon on July 14, 2008, 07:12:23 pm
T'would probably be best to go for a 9XXX card.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on July 14, 2008, 07:16:06 pm
Well he could do that but what's the point if his other hardware isn't up to snuff with it? He could get an 8xxx card, not spend all of his money, and have a well-balanced machine. I'd take a balanced system over one with a bottleneck any day.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Brandonazz on July 15, 2008, 08:38:48 am
What about dual video cards?

Would two 8400GS bridged be better than an 8800GT/GTS?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on July 15, 2008, 08:53:26 am
Yes and no. The clock speed of two GS cards would be better than a single GT or GTS; however, the total amount of RAM looks like it would be able equal. Either or would work, I'd wager. Taking both configurations into account, I'd go with the single card because there would be less of a heat problem.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Brandonazz on July 15, 2008, 11:20:47 am
Is having a better clock speed and using the extra money to bring up my RAM to 3.0 GB worth the extra heat?

I could see about getting a case with better cooling instead of the extra RAM, which would mean better clock speed, cheaper.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Didero on July 15, 2008, 11:30:21 am
You should also check if your power supply can handle two video cards.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Bama on July 16, 2008, 10:57:16 pm
still waiting on me computer  :-[
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: MetallicDragon on July 17, 2008, 12:17:46 am
My laptop is scheduled to arrive in 5 days :D

EDIT: By the way, now it's in HODGKINS, IL, US. I luv UPS tracking!
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on July 17, 2008, 07:52:49 am
Is having a better clock speed and using the extra money to bring up my RAM to 3.0 GB worth the extra heat?

I could see about getting a case with better cooling instead of the extra RAM, which would mean better clock speed, cheaper.

Sorry about not answering.

Better clock speeds and more RAM are always good; however, extra heat can decrease the life span of your hardware. At the very least, if you did get those things, you should also get another fan or two.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: LightStalker999 on July 19, 2008, 07:33:34 am
I am planning to buy a new computer to handle all the latest games now i got all the components i want in mind they are:

Processor:
Intel Core2 Quad Processor
Q9300 (2.5GHz, 1333FSB 6MB)

Operating System:
Genuine Windows Vista® Home Premium

Memory:
3GB 800MHz DDR2 SDRAM

Hard Drive:
500GB SATA 3.0Gb/s with NCQ

Graphic Card:
Dual 512MB PCIe™ x16 NVIDIA® GeForce® 9800 GT

Optical Device:
16X Max DVD+/-RW Combination Drive with double layer write capability's

Now for the extra stuff like monitor and keyboard etc etc i was thinking:

Microsoft/razer recluse keyboard

Microsoft/razer habu mouse

22" Dell Entry Wide Screen Flat Panel LCD Monitor

For speakers i have no idea what I'm gonna get what are some good speakers i could get?

Now lets see if i can explain my situwashen with out babbling on for to long um what i basically want to know is

Are there other computers that would run basically exactly like the one I'm planning to get but will stay in the price range of hmm $2000 to $3500?

Now all the specs i wrote are from a PC i found on the DELL site which is named "Gaming Machine" apparently it's a really good PC that can run all the latest games but doesn't cost like $5000.

But I'm not getting it from Dell because they charge 27% interest which would double the original price which was $2600 but that brings me to my next question

Now i live in Australia and I'm finding it a bit hard to find places that don't charge interest what my question is can any one recommend any good places that are reliable and fair that sell computer parts and or computers?

Any help is greatly appreciated thank you. :D 8) :)


I apologies in advance for any bad spelling or grammar.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: SmileyMan on July 19, 2008, 08:07:29 am
Quad-cores aren't gaming CPUs unless they're Extreme Edition. You can get a lot more gaming performance for the same money if you buy a dual-core.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Axelgear on July 19, 2008, 08:10:52 am
*Hugs his Dual Core*
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: MetallicDragon on July 19, 2008, 12:45:20 pm
One place is Newegg -  if you feel comfortable building your own comp, I'm sure you can find the parts for much much less than from Dell. Really, ANYWHERE other than Dell would be better; their **** is crazy expensive. I was just looking on Newegg and you can get a pre-built computer with a single 9800GTX instead of dual 9800GT (there was only one dual 9800GT system there), and they have comparable other stats, in the 1300-1500 range. Of course, this isn't including a monitor, which would add between... 300-600 dollars, then another 100 for your fancy mouse and keyboard, and thats still a good couple hundred dollars less than Dell.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Gungnir on July 20, 2008, 12:08:58 am
Should this be in the building/buying a new computer thread?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: SBD on July 20, 2008, 01:26:24 am
Yes. We have a stickied thread devoted to this subject.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Hammerman58 on July 26, 2008, 01:27:29 pm
This http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?Item=N82E16813127017

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3775036
and this http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1558837&CatId=1554

Should be compatible right? I have the motherboard just trying to buy ram and a new gcard.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on July 26, 2008, 01:31:57 pm
Yeah those should work together.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Bama on July 28, 2008, 03:09:03 pm
finally got my laptop and will be installing spore CC soon !!
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on July 28, 2008, 03:11:32 pm
Awesome! You'll have to tell us how it goes.
Title: I'm getting a new rig, want opinions
Post by: DarkDragon on September 23, 2008, 10:50:53 am
So, for 469€/$690 I'm getting this:

Motherboard: 1x BIOSTAR GF7100P-M7S Skt775 1333 DDR2-800 PCI-E
CPU: 1x Intel Core 2 Duo E7200 2.53GHz Skt775 1066MHz 3MB Cache
RAM: 2x DIMM 2GB DDR2 PC-800 CL5 "KVR800D2N5/2G" KINGSTON
Graphics Card: 1x ASUS EN9600GT/HTDI/1GB DDR3 PCI-E

I'm keeping my 600Watt power supply, my 3 HDDs (1x 160GB + 1x 250GB + 1x 80GB), my DVD-Reader & DVD-Writer and my multi-card reader.

Do you think it's good enough to play the latest stuff for at least an year? (considering I play at 1024x768 thanks to my crappy CRT screen, lol).
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Danzik on September 23, 2008, 08:38:51 pm
Might want to check out this (http://www.gamesradar.com/f/the-2008-pc-builders-bible/a-20080918153014865039) guide.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: LadyM on October 12, 2008, 07:32:38 am
Helpful tip #32

Don't buy an Alienware, they are not the best, they are owned by Dell and your brand new uber system might not even work.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Kidsoldier on October 13, 2008, 11:01:01 pm
Hey guys, Dad is shouting me a new Desktop PC for under $1200 ish

Ive been on different websites and im not really sure which would be the best place to go or the best deal.
I would like it mostly just for gaming as the one i have now isnt very good

Specs of my PC (Although not really needed)

Processor: AMD Athlon 64 Processor 3000+ 2.00GHz

Operating System: Windows Vista Home Premium

1 GB of RAM (2 Slots of 2 used)

Hard Drive: 70GB, I had a 500GB Seagate HD, But that randomly corrupted itself one day and would never work again.

Video Card: ATI Radeon 9550 (Quite Old...)

I have like less then 1GB left on my Hard Drive, and my Video Card doesnt have Shader 3.0 so i cant play some games. It also doesnt run Spore.

It Would be good if someone could help by telling me what sort of things i would be looking for in a gaming PC under $1200. Perhaps links to places.
If you can help then post here or PM me.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: MetallicDragon on October 13, 2008, 11:33:31 pm
I'd look at Newegg.com

I believe what you'll want is a Core 2 Duo, in your price range at least a 2.4GHz I think.
At least 2GB Ram.
At least 300 GB HDD.
For video card, at least an Nvidia 9600, maybe a 9800, or ATI HD 4000 if you prefer ATI.

I'd also get a second opinion, as I'm somewhat dated on the latest PC hardware.

Heck, I just checked NewEgg and the computers in your price range are just about what I've said.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Kidsoldier on October 14, 2008, 12:27:46 am
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883103154

Hows this? It doesnt come with a screen but i will probably be able to buy a 22-24" seperately.

Core 2 Quad 2.5GHz
8GB RAM
massive 1280GB HD (2x 640 HD)
Nvidia GeForce 9800 GT

All for $1,100

-Excludes Screen. Which would add on another $200-$300

So really i can get quite a decent Desktop for under $1,500 at newegg


Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Kidsoldier on October 16, 2008, 01:43:34 am
any more help would be appreciated.

Sad thing about the 1100 Comp is the exchange rate. Im Aussie, so its about 1,600 for it.

Without the monitor
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: MetallicDragon on October 21, 2008, 11:06:25 am
That computer would be really great. The only thing is that 8GB is kind of excessive, as is 1.2 TB hard disk space, unless you have a lot of media. That's a really nice video card, but if you pull back on the RAM and hard drive you might be able to get something better. In any case, that's a really good computer that will run for at least 2-3 years no problem, and after that a simple upgrade of the video card, maybe getting a second one, and you're good for another few years.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Kidsoldier on October 21, 2008, 09:44:29 pm
When you say if i pullback on HD and/or RAM, How would i get something better?

Any computer sort of near this one is like $1500 +


P.S Thanks for replying.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Huckbuck on November 02, 2008, 11:53:29 am
After half a year I finally bought parts for my PC, so now I have got the following:

Quad Core CPU

4 Gb memory

1 Tb HDD

Geforce 9800 GTX

And some Asus motherboard that was designed for gamers :P I hope this will be enough for atleast a couple of years...
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Ondaderthad on November 08, 2008, 07:22:17 pm
 I just upgraded my aging PC in the last couple of days.

From >> To

Pentium 4 >> Core 2 3gz
old AGP motherboard >> Gigabyte PCIe
2GB DDR2 800 RAM
Cost me $A535 (Aussie dollars)

My son gave me an ATI x1550 video card to replace my old NVIDA 6200LE (AGP)

It is not top of the range but works very well.

The main problem i had installing it was with Windows...
Since my system was at least 3 years old I ad an old version of windows xp without the service packs.
I had SP1 and SP2 installed but from the downloads not on disk. And that was the main problem.

On startup windows needed to be reinstalled to find the new Motherboard and CPU but the CD didn't have the proper drivers for it.
After at least 48 hours of fiddling with it and even taking it back to the shop I had to buy a new Windows XP disk
Thanks Microsoft...
And of course I had to reinstall all my software.
Anyway I am now back online and playing Fallout 3 in Hi-rez. Brilliant.


Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Fink on November 09, 2008, 02:42:39 pm
So I've been thinking about selling my Inspiron 9400 laptop for a new tower since I don't go to LAN party's anymore.

Does anyone know is Cyber Power (http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/) is a good brand?

And what do you think of this computer:Intel Core 2 Quad SLI (http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/Intel_Core_2_Quad_SLI_Custom_Build_Configurator/)

I was going to customize it some (not like I did in the image bonanza though  :D)
But I think it's a rather good computer stock.

If you want to give me any suggestions on how to customize it, that would be great. Preferably keeping the cost low.
Also, keep in mind that already have 2 monitors, I can get an OS for free legally, and I have a good mouse/keyboard.

So that should cut down on costs.

Anything else I'm leaving out?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Connor on December 22, 2008, 01:44:17 pm
I bought a custom specification from pcspecialist.co.uk recently, fantastic deal they gave me.

Windows Vista Home Premium
AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+ 2.21 Ghz
512 MB nVidia GeForce 9400 GT
160 GB HDD
2 GB RAM
Card reader

It cost me around £380.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Fink on December 25, 2008, 08:06:00 pm
Ok, I really need some help. I'm upgrading my Pentium 4 computer. Yes, I know, I should just buy a new one, but I have little money.

These are my system specs:

PowerSpec® 9251 (http://www.powerspec.com/systems/archives/system_components.phtml?component=736&selection=9251)

I was thinking of getting this graphics card:

AMD ATI Radeon X1300 Pro 256 MB AGP Card (http://www.amazon.com/AMD-ATI-Radeon-X1300-Card/dp/B000E5VQP4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=pc&qid=1230262842&sr=1-1)

But I only have a 300 watt (or 250, not sure) power supply.
So I guess I need to upgrade that too, huh.

I know nothing about power supply's. Could someone help me out. I have $100 toward amazon.

PLEASE, guys, I really need some help  :(
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Mighdas on January 13, 2009, 01:57:34 pm
This isn't a question on getting a new computer, but on whether or not to get a new graphics card.

Right Now, I have:

 Intel(R) G33/G31 Express Chipset Family (Intel(R) GMA 3100)

However, according to System Requirements Lab (http://www.systemrequirementslab.com/referrer/srtest), many games that I  want to buy require something called "Video HW Transorm and lighting", which my current card does not have. I am pretty sure my old computer did, and the only difference that I've seen is that my Spore creatures' textures are no longer glossy, but rather bland. Also, It says that Civ IV BtS requires it, yet I play it with no problems. Am I to assume that I don't need Video HW Transorm and lighting, but rather, it is simply reccomended for play?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Fink on January 17, 2009, 11:02:27 am
Is it just me, or do people just ask questions in this thread, and no one answers them?

Anyway, on System Requirements Lab's results page it shows two tabs. One is minimum, and the other is recommended.
Which tab is "Video HW Transorm and lighting" under?

If it's under minimum I don't think it will play.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on January 17, 2009, 11:34:48 am
Or maybe you asking a question during the most hectic time of the year had something to do with it.

Is your question still valid?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Fink on January 18, 2009, 05:32:11 am
Or maybe you asking a question during the most hectic time of the year had something to do with it.

Is your question still valid?

Sorry  :(

Anyway, I bought the GPU along with 2 gigs of ram. I haven't noticed any problems. So maybe I didn't need a new power supply since I don't have a fully loaded machine.

I think the GPU did over heat at some point though. I was playing CoX, and the screen went all gabbled. I let it cool off, and it's ok now.
I'm supposed to be getting $750 from my friend for my old laptop, and I might just buy a new computer with that. But that wont be for like a year.

Oh, and I used this before I bought everything:

eXtreme Power Supply Calculator Lite v2.5 (http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp)

I know it's not 100% accurate, but it gave me some idea on how close I was to max power.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on January 18, 2009, 09:15:54 am
Actually you've hit on something peculiar about power supplies. And that peculiarity is that the whole "you need a better power supply" thing is a crock. If you're not getting any low-power warnings and your computer is running well then you're good as far as a PSU is concerned. Now, what you will want to get is a better cooling unit for your GPU (or at least make sure you've got enough air moving through your case).
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Fink on January 18, 2009, 11:32:47 am
Actually you've hit on something peculiar about power supplies. And that peculiarity is that the whole "you need a better power supply" thing is a crock. If you're not getting any low-power warnings and your computer is running well then you're good as far as a PSU is concerned. Now, what you will want to get is a better cooling unit for your GPU (or at least make sure you've got enough air moving through your case).

I'm not sure how to get it any cooler. I ended up opening the side up and blowing air in with a small fan I got on long gaming nights  :P
Well, it works. According to Speed Fan it was lower the temps (or maybe just cooling the reader, ha)

Anyway, the GPU has a fan on it, but it seams to be rated for "quite" because I'm not sure how much it helps.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on January 18, 2009, 12:50:42 pm
Did it only overheat once? Keep using it as-is if that's the case, it may have been a fluke. Try to see if you can make it happen again.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Mighdas on January 18, 2009, 01:08:01 pm
Is it just me, or do people just ask questions in this thread, and no one answers them?

Anyway, on System Requirements Lab's results page it shows two tabs. One is minimum, and the other is recommended.
Which tab is "Video HW Transorm and lighting" under?

If it's under minimum I don't think it will play.

It is under minimum, but it is under minimum for Civ BtS as well, and I can still run it.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Veraal on January 20, 2009, 01:40:18 am
So. Didero shoved me in here to check with you guys what you would recommend for making my computer run good looking games smoother than a baby's bottom.

what I have now
amd athlon 64 x2 dual core processor 3600+
1.90 GHz and 3.25 GB ram
geforce 7900 GS

I was thinking of something like a new gfx card, unless you guys have any suggestions.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Didero on January 20, 2009, 02:21:53 am
The graphics card seems to be the bottleneck there, so I suggest upgrading that.

Although a bit old, this article (http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/radeon-geforce-graphics,review-31451.html) lists the best videocards in certain price segments, so that could be helpful in deciding which card to get.

I'm also looking to get a new computer, but I don't quite know how to pick a good CPU, there's just too much choice. What's a good processor for around €100 - €150?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on January 20, 2009, 05:43:19 am
You said you were upgrading because of GTA IV. Don't upgrade because of GTA IV. If that's what your problem is find a better problem because it probably isn't going to look much better, especially if you're only spending 250 bucks.

If you do insist on upgrading get yourself a new video card (You can get cards in the 8800 series for a very good price) and maybe a new processor.

What are you thinking?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Veraal on January 20, 2009, 10:27:08 am
Hehe, I'm not entirely upgrading because of GTA IV, I just feel like all my games always have slowdowns or crap when I play. I've seen my bud play on his computer, he can play Oblivion (A game I would gladly jump into again, if it weren't for the hickups and crap) with, get this, full visibility, full grass, shadows on high, everything pretty much on high, even when he goes into combat, outside, which is basically impossible for me.

He has a 8800 card, I went to town on friday to find one myself, but didn't because they were nowhere to be found, the guy behind the counter offered me to buy the 9800 card, quite a beast.

Too much a beast actually, couldn't possibly fit in my cabinet, or have sufficient enough power to run.
But really, all I need is a 8800 card? My friend says so, at least.

I mean, I'm willing to puke out quite some dough to spoil myself. I haven't for years.

But really, just that ol' 8800 card? They didn't have it at the store because of it's age.

Any specific cards you would reccomend?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on January 20, 2009, 12:10:22 pm
Well I use an 8800 GTS and have no problem running games like Crysis and Mass Effect on max settings. Um, that's also due in part to my RAM and my Processor but my point is that the 8800 series is still very good if you can assemble the right components. I would definitely consider the 8800, try to get a model with 512 VRAM.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Veraal on January 20, 2009, 12:42:34 pm
Thanks!
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Didero on January 21, 2009, 01:02:00 am
I was thinking of getting a new Intel Core 2 Duo E8400, but I was wondering: will that be good enough to play games on (close to) the highest settings for the next year or two? I'm also getting 2GB of RAM and a GeForce 9800 GT 512MB.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Veraal on January 21, 2009, 02:16:13 am
BUT.

If I am unable to aquire myself an 8800 card, are there any other cards you could reccommend?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on January 21, 2009, 07:41:14 am
If you can't get an 8800 I'd just go for something newer. Personally I'd wait on any and all video card purchased until the 10xxx series comes out.

Didero, that processor should be pretty solid but what about your other components?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Didero on January 21, 2009, 08:28:26 am
Didero, that processor should be pretty solid but what about your other components?
What other components? The motherboard? That's even harder to pick than a CPU, so if you've got any suggestions...
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on January 21, 2009, 08:59:41 am
A good CPU is fine but what about your RAM and your video card? If you want games to run well they also have to be taken into consideration.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Didero on January 21, 2009, 09:01:12 am
Oh, that. I posted it a few posts back, but you were busy dealing with Veraal then:
[...] I'm also getting 2GB of RAM and a GeForce 9800 GT 512MB.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on January 21, 2009, 09:24:00 am
Alrighty, that looks pretty good. If anything, I'd get another gig of RAM.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Didero on January 21, 2009, 10:18:48 am
So that'll keep me good for at least a few years?
Now I only need to find a good motherboard...
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on January 21, 2009, 10:23:32 am
Eh, don't fret too much about the motherboard.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Veraal on January 23, 2009, 11:45:54 am
So, i got myself an asus en9600gt matrix, as reccommended by the guy behind the counter.

I dunno.

I got it working and all, not absolutely extreme performance, i tried some gta iv with it(i know, gta iv is a pig but whatever) and sure, it was playable. had resolution up to 1440x900 but left the sliders for shadows, details and length of vision to something like 1/4 of what i could push it to.

I played for a while, adjusting sliders from time to time. It went pretty smoothly, with some places where it went slow, due to alot of stuff happening on screen, but that's alright.

Then i tried Oblivion, the game i pretty much bought this card for, i started it up just now, it slowed down when i looked at too much stuff on screen, for some reason bloom/light-puke was on, i'll have a go at it without it.

BUT

After some time cruising around in liberty city, i got a cpu overheat, my internal speaker wailed about it, so i alt tabbed.

This has happened from time to time before too, so i was wondering if i might need a new fan or something?

i've cooled the computer down by opening my window, it's snow outside and fairly cold.

anyway, think i should get me a new fan? i'll also check back and clean it. maybe that'll help.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on January 23, 2009, 11:53:58 am
What you should do first is open your case up and check the heat sink on your CPU. Make sure it isn't clogged up with dust. If it is, get rid of the dust. You'll want to be sure you have some thermal compound (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835100007) just in case you need to remove the heat sink. Thermal compound is spread between the CPU and the heat sink in order to increase the transfer of heat. It is vital.

**EDIT**
And in the spirit of full disclosure, yes I do work for the thermal compound company.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Veraal on January 23, 2009, 01:08:06 pm
Well. Played Oblivion just now on full graphics without bloom, all grass and stuff, shadows to the max etc, but anyway.

Whenever i went into combat, and this happened all the time before i got my new card, the game would get extremely choppy/laggy. Almost unplayable.
Even fighting the smallest mudcrab caused choppyness, so whenever enemies are around, the game lets me know by getting choppy.

I've looked around the web for answers, some say 'tis caused by the sound and music ingame, some say it is because of ram.

Nothing has worked so far, I dunno, i'm very sure it would be caused by the game itself, and not my card, or my computer.

Now I shall play left 4 dead, see how that works now. I am to say the least, excited.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on January 23, 2009, 01:39:30 pm
It's normal for your game to slow down during an encounter, that is a sign that you are overtaxing your hardware. Ease up on some of your settings.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Veraal on January 23, 2009, 02:59:33 pm
I've never had slowdowns that severe before, it just happened a while ago.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on January 24, 2009, 04:20:34 pm
So you were able to play Oblivion on max settings before without any slowdowns but now you have slowdowns?

You just upgraded too, correct?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Veraal on January 24, 2009, 06:24:34 pm
No no. Before, it ran slow if i had everything on max, but it also lagged extremely when i got into battle.

but anyway, if i turn off harware accel in dxdiag in the sound tab, the game can run absolutely flawless.

at least from what i've gathered.

I dunno why, but trolls seemed to spark up more lag. i got the entire town of chorrol on my ass and it barely lagged now, once i had turned hardware accel off.

wonder why this is.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on January 24, 2009, 06:45:36 pm
Is it related to a program called ffdshow? I know Fallout has an issue with it (amongst many many other games) so it would not be unreasonable to assume Oblivion does too.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Veraal on January 25, 2009, 11:34:14 am
I've no idea what that is.

I must investigate.

Edit: apparantly, yes, the lagging is caused by sound problems. It would seem that whenever a creature makes a step, producing sound, the game stutters. and for every footstep, the game stutters.

imagine fighting four wolves at the same time. well, i shall attempt to play now, and see how it goes.

EDIT EDIT: So far so good, went ingame now with the mod "quiet feet" on, i can now merrily run oblivion on maximum settings, and fight at the same time outside, this was impossible before when i had that ol' 7900gt card. But i have only fought one on one fights so far, a bandit hedge wizard tried to ambush me and stab me in the butt, i gave him quite a smack with my steel warhammer. Oh, am I going to enjoy this game again.

EDIT EDIT EDIT: Went through a dungeon just now, was great fun. Some stutters though, but then again, this is oblivion. was very enjoyable, if anyone else had this kinda problem, just download the quiet feet mod.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Veraal on February 13, 2009, 02:14:37 pm
Been thinking of purchasing a new processor.

educate me for what i need to know.

i have as stated in dxdiag:

Processor: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3600+,  MMX,  3DNow (2 CPUs), ~1.9GHz

I was thinking that if i got me a new one, i could fully unleash the power of my computer with my 9600 card, as i am imagining my current prosessor being rust on a valve to turn on more hot steamy water of raw power, and if i get a new processor, it would seem to me as if i could turn the valve around, bringing in the fury, fully unleashed.

yeah..

just tell me the basics i should know for buying a processor.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on February 13, 2009, 03:02:31 pm
Well, you will want to check how much RAM you have too. It'll help you decide which processor will best fit.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Veraal on February 13, 2009, 03:14:52 pm
3.25 gb.

funny thing is that it actually is 4 gb, but for some reason I can only use 3.25.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on February 13, 2009, 03:44:11 pm
That's because you're probably on a 32-bit operating system. Unless you get a 64-bit operating system you can't use more than that. And if you do have a 64-bit operating system, well... that's a whole other issue for us to work out. :P

Okay then, before we start looking for processors what is your budget and where can you order from?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Veraal on February 14, 2009, 06:41:40 am
1000 to 1500 norwegian kroner(145 - 220 usd).

There's a shop in town, they have everything, i daresay.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on February 14, 2009, 08:58:15 pm
They have everything? Cool!

They have a website?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Veraal on February 15, 2009, 08:49:22 am
from what i know, they have everything.

http://www.komplett.no/k/k.asp (http://www.komplett.no/k/k.asp)

its in Norwegian, though.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on February 15, 2009, 09:07:39 am
Oddly enough I think I've been on this website before when I was helping someone else out. I'll come back with a few options for you in a bit.


**EDIT**
Veraal, is this case closed for now?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Veraal on February 15, 2009, 11:57:06 am
indeed it is.

until next time.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: SBD on February 18, 2009, 06:40:17 am
Hello! What does everybody think of this laptop:

Acer Aspire Gemstone Blue 6930G
Intel Centrino Core 2 Duo 2.26GHz, 3MB cache, 1055MHz FSB
2GB DDR2 ram, 667MHz (most likely 2 x 1GB)
Nvidia Geforce 9600m GS, 512MB dedicated DDR2 ram
16" wide screen, 1366 x 768 resolution
250GB harddrive
webcam, fingerprint scanner, dedicated numpad
I can't remember the exact price, but it was around the $1600-1700 (aussie) mark.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Saganmaineiac on February 18, 2009, 08:25:02 am
totally awesome! I love alot of hard drive!
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on February 18, 2009, 09:16:32 am
Laptop!

Get rid of the print scanner if you can, it's a little useless. Tell us, what are you going to be using this laptop for?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: SBD on February 18, 2009, 08:28:06 pm
Uni work, and some gaming. Most likely games I can't play on my 360, stuff like Civ and Total War. I can't get rid of the scanner, it comes standard.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on February 18, 2009, 08:50:18 pm
Should be pretty good then for what you need.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: SBD on February 20, 2009, 01:29:21 am
Looks like I won't be getting it after all, as I don't think I get any money from the K-Rudd. Students who rely on welfare get it, and yet students who have never asked the government for money don't...
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Fink on March 07, 2009, 06:30:50 am
What are your guys thoughts on this:

Studio XPS-121M (http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0303045)

From what I've read it's not great for overclocking, but I'm not into that. Also, what the hell is "Tri Channel" RAM?
Other the that, it looks great.
Also, I really like that it's an I7 CPU for $1,000

Plus, for the same thing on Dells website it would cost you $500 more.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: SBD on March 07, 2009, 06:36:41 am
Good god, all that for a grand?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Fink on March 07, 2009, 06:48:21 am
That's what I was saying  ;D
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Didero on March 07, 2009, 08:04:35 am
What are your guys thoughts on this:

Studio XPS-121M (http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0303045)
That looks nice :)
Also, what the hell is "Tri Channel" RAM?
It has to do with the speed with which memory can be read and written to. Basically, the computer can access the memory via three connections, or channels, so it's theoretically 3 times faster than single-channel RAM. Most modern day computer have dual-channel RAM I believe, so it's another good spec of that PC :)
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on March 07, 2009, 08:50:20 am
I've never heard of tri-channel before. But if it's six gigs of tri-channel RAM that probably means that they're separated into two groups of three sticks and that each group works as a single unit. Just like dual channel... but tri!

That computer looks pretty solid. Again I don't know very much about the i7 line of Intel processors but the brief articles that I read seem to indicate good things. It's priced pretty well too; though, you could probably shave a little bit off that price if you did it yourself. The amount would probably be negligible though.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Fink on March 07, 2009, 10:24:18 pm
So I bought it. Turns out the sale was ending soon, and it would go back up to $1,500
It's a great computer.

I know it's a flawed measurement, but it has 5.9 in everything on the vista scale  :P

The only problem? Vista... ugh, it runs fine, but it wont play CoH.
It just loads, then crashes. Still working on it though.

UPDATE:

O_O

It's... it's... it's beautiful...

I got CoX to work with max settings, 1680 by 1050 resolution, and I load the map before anyone else.

I LOVE THIS RIG!  ;D

Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Doctor Z on March 21, 2009, 04:52:47 pm
Xenomorph said I should try here. >_>

Does anyone know what kind of graphics card I need to get for a 8 years old (or so) Sony VAIO computer, that came with a ATI Radeon 9200, in order to play Left 4 Dead? D:

Oh, and it has to fit in a 115-120 dollar range. Canadian money. The game and the graphics card. >_>
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on March 23, 2009, 12:10:27 pm
Eight years old? That may be pushing it a bit... tell us about the other components in your computer. How much RAM does it have, what kind of processor, and how much hard drive space is available?

You can find out fairly quickly by going to Start and selecting Run and then typing in dxdiag.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on March 23, 2009, 01:16:04 pm
Alrighty boys and girls, here are some selected passages from DoctorZ's dxdiag file.

Quote from: DoctorZ's Dxdiag
Time of this report: 3/23/2009, 15:33:49
Operating System: Windows XP Home Edition (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 2 (2600.xpsp_sp2_gdr.080814-1233)
System Manufacturer: Sony Corporation
System Model: PCV-RS620G(UC)
Processor: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz (2 CPUs)
Memory: 512MB RAM
Page File: 487MB used, 762MB available
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)

Card name: RADEON 9200 SERIES
Display Memory: 128.0 MB


Left 4 Dead's minimum requirements are as follows...
Quote from: Left 4 Dead Minimum Requirements
Supported OS: Microsoft Windows XP / Vista / Vista64
Processor: Pentium 4 3.0GHz
Memory: 1 GB
Graphics: 128 MB, Shader model 2.0, ATI 9600, NVidia 6600 or better
Hard Drive: At least 7.5 GB of free space
Sound Card: DirectX 9.0c compatible sound card

So at the very least, from what I see, you're going to need a new video card 512MB or RAM. Your video card is almost certainly an AGP card so that'll make it a little trickier to get exactly what you want. You may have to settle for something more expensive than you're comfortable with. I'm not certain about what type of RAM you use so I'd like for you to download and run this software (http://www.belarc.com/free_download.html) and report back with the information on your computer's RAM (or memory).

Once we get all of that information together we can start looking for parts.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Doctor Z on March 23, 2009, 01:21:29 pm
Code: [Select]
Operating System   System Model
Windows XP Home Edition Service Pack 2 (build 2600)   Sony Corporation PCV-RS620G(UC) 28005831
System Serial Number: 3001322
Asset Tag: P12500000000B7E17F73476F0286
Chassis Serial Number: R4313692
Enclosure Type: Desktop
Processor a   Main Circuit Board b
3.00 gigahertz Intel Pentium 4
16 kilobyte primary memory cache
1024 kilobyte secondary memory cache   Board: ASUSTek Computer Inc. P4SD-VL
Bus Clock: 200 megahertz
BIOS: American Megatrends Inc. 2003 09/14/2004
Drives   Memory Modules c,d
154.66 Gigabytes Usable Hard Drive Capacity
111.01 Gigabytes Hard Drive Free Space

CDCRA 01YZKTINKH SCSI CdRom Device [CD-ROM drive]
HL-DT-ST DVD-ROM GDR8162B [CD-ROM drive]
HL-DT-ST DVD-RW GWA-4082B [CD-ROM drive]
3.5" format removeable media [Floppy drive]

ST3160021A [Hard drive] (160.04 GB) -- drive 0, s/n 5JS1X2M6, rev 3.04, SMART Status: Healthy   512 Megabytes Installed Memory

Slot 'DIMM0' has 256 MB
Slot 'DIMM1' is Empty
Slot 'DIMM2' has 256 MB
Slot 'DIMM3' is Empty
  Local Drive Volumes
 

c: (NTFS on drive 0) 154.66 GB 111.01 GB free
  Network Drives
  None detected
Users (mouse over user name for details)   Printers
local user accounts last logon
 Cameron 3/23/2009 3:29:42 PM (admin)
 Karen 3/14/2009 2:27:32 PM (admin)
local system accounts
 Administrator never (admin)
 Guest never
 HelpAssistant never
 Sean never (admin)
 SUPPORT_388945a0 never

DISABLED Marks a disabled account;   LOCKED OUT Marks a locked account
 
Microsoft Office Document Image Writer Driver on Microsoft Document Imaging Writer Port:
Controllers   Display
Standard floppy disk controller
Intel(R) 82801EB Ultra ATA Storage Controllers
Primary IDE Channel [Controller]
Secondary IDE Channel [Controller]   RADEON 9200 SERIES [Display adapter]
DELL M781p [Monitor] (14.9"vis, s/n 7C0511BMB2RH, November 2001)
Bus Adapters   Multimedia
AC9BF1FE IDE Controller
Intel(R) 82801EB USB Universal Host Controller - 24D2
Intel(R) 82801EB USB Universal Host Controller - 24D4
Intel(R) 82801EB USB Universal Host Controller - 24D7
Intel(R) 82801EB USB Universal Host Controller - 24DE
Standard Enhanced PCI to USB Host Controller   Sony MPEG RealTime encoder board
SoundMAX Integrated Digital Audio
Communications   Other Devices
Agere Systems AC'97 Modem


1394 Net Adapter
Intel(R) PRO/100 VE Network Connection
 primary  Auto IP Address: 192.168.0.101 / 24
Gateway: 192.168.0.1
Dhcp Server: 192.168.0.1
Physical Address: 00:0E:A6:BE:39:7B
 
Networking Dns Server: 192.168.0.1
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on March 23, 2009, 01:35:14 pm
Alright... it looks like the Asus P4SD-VL uses 184-pin PC3200 RAM.

So we need to look for a video card that is at least as good as an ATI 9600 or NVidia 6600 and must be AGP; as well, we need to find at least 512MB of 184-pin PC3200 RAM. You might just get in under your price point after all! :)
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Doctor Z on March 23, 2009, 01:58:06 pm
Yay! :D

I have no idea what you said except for that last sentence.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on March 23, 2009, 02:27:40 pm
That's good! The last sentence was the only one you were supposed to understand. :D

If anyone has any good recommendations for parts, feel free to post them! I'll get my own in later tonight or tomorrow some time.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Kishmond on March 25, 2009, 02:12:08 pm
Starting to build a new computer here. I was originally thinking of just staying with XP but I wondered, does using Vista cause any problems video game wise?

If it'll run everything I might as well upgrade.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on March 25, 2009, 03:12:55 pm
Personally, I've never had any issues with Vista and in fact had more using XP. I'm probably in the minority though.

If you're in the market for an OS you might want to consider waiting a bit for Windows 7 to come out. Heck, by then the parts you may want to buy now will be a bit cheaper!
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Didero on March 26, 2009, 07:18:55 am
Starting to build a new computer here. I was originally thinking of just staying with XP but I wondered, does using Vista cause any problems video game wise?

If it'll run everything I might as well upgrade.
It might not cause any extra problems, but it doesn't help games to run any better either. Vista is more resource-intensive than XP, so if you mainly use it to play games you might want to stick to XP for that extra bit of performance.
But like Pat said, Windows 7 will be a good option too. The added frills of Vista, and slightly less resource-intensive than XP.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Lord Janos on March 27, 2009, 10:22:42 am
Hey all,

It's been a while since I posted on the forums but I've been lurking around for a couple of weeks or so recently.

Anyway, here's the situation: I bought a laptop last summer and I hate it.  I hate typing with it, I hate playing games on it, I hate the keyboard, and I hate Vista.  In short, laptops suck.  Once my contract at my flat has run out, I get 5 weeks no rent before I move out.  I'm thinking of using that money to buy a new desktop for myself.  On that budget I'd have £525 to spend, which equates to roughly $765.

I've still got a few months left before I'd buy it, so if anyone has any suggestions on a good rig (I want it to run Starcraft 2 flawlessly for mucho online gaming), for that price range (because I don't know what's good anymore... I'm so out of sync with the computing world nowerdays) it'd be much appreciated.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on March 27, 2009, 10:27:13 am
Ah... we can build you something nice for that sum of money. I'll be back with a plan in a few hours or so. ;)
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Lord Janos on March 27, 2009, 10:42:01 am
Sweet, I look forward to it, cheers mate!
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on March 27, 2009, 02:23:50 pm
Oh hey, just wondering, are you able to construct the computer yourself or would you rather it be something that is shipped to you completed?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Lord Janos on March 27, 2009, 02:51:34 pm
Ideally I'd have it sent to me completed, but my brother works in the IT industry so could help me out putting it together, so that's an option (especially if I can get the parts separately for cheaper).
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on March 27, 2009, 02:53:58 pm
Can your brother supply you with an operating system by chance or will you need to purchase a new one?


**EDIT**
Also, if you can link me to any local retailers that you can buy from that would be great. Otherwise I am going to price out a computer on Newegg and give you the names of what you should get.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Lord Janos on March 27, 2009, 03:05:52 pm
I could potentially get hold of an OS from him yeah.

I use www.ebuyer.com for most if not all of my electronics shopping.  I never used places like Dixons or PC World because I feel that they overprice the products and charge retail price all the time.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on March 27, 2009, 03:55:15 pm
Alright here's what I've put together for you...

Motherboard: ASUS P5Q-EM (http://www.ebuyer.com/product/149280) - £91.22
Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo (3.0GHz) (http://www.ebuyer.com/product/139971) - £150.14
Memory: Corsair 4Gb (2x2GB) DDR2 (http://www.ebuyer.com/product/148816) - £42.04 (funny thing, I almost bought this very same RAM a little bit ago and now it's on sale!)
Graphics: GeForce 9800GTX 512MB (http://www.ebuyer.com/product/160818) - £129.99
Hard Drive: Seagate 500GB Hard Drive OEM (http://www.ebuyer.com/product/130826) - £48.49
Power Supply: Arctic Power 600W PSU (http://www.ebuyer.com/product/124926) - £34.99
CD/DVD ROM: LiteOn DH-16D 16x DVD-ROM (http://www.ebuyer.com/product/152517) - £8.99 (no reason to break the bank here)
Cables and Crap: SATA 2.0 Cord (http://www.ebuyer.com/product/57658) - £9.00 (this is the price for two, you need one for the Hard Drive and one for the DVD)

That should do it for the hardware. Your total is £514.86, VAT included (because I'm nice). I didn't include a case because I figured you might want to pick that out yourself. The motherboard is classified as Micro ATX (mATX)so be sure any case you pick out can handle that and also don't get anything smaller than a mid tower case. Feel free to post your choice if you're not sure, I'm happy to look it over for you.

It's always nice to not have to pay for the OS because they're a real wrench in the works when you're trying to price everything out just right... kind of like that VAT thing you guys have. :P

I think that's about everything... some other folks should look this over since it's out here for all to see. Make sure I didn't miss anything. I tend to forget about cords and connectors but I think I've got it all covered this time. And if this doesn't run Star Craft 2 at a steady clip I'll be flabbergasted.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Lord Janos on March 27, 2009, 04:07:27 pm
Quality, that'd be an absolutely sweet rig.

I think it's missing a sound card, a monitor, and things like speakers/keyboard/mouse, but I think I've got a big 19" monitor somewhere lying around (it's heavy as hell though so I'll probably invest in an LCD monitor or whatever the slim ones are).  So that'd be another £100 or so if we're being conservative.

To be honest £600-£650 for that system is a great price and probably a worthwhile long term investment.  I don't know anything about sound cards and their quality so I may have to hand that one back over to you PatMan!

Something like http://www.ebuyer.com/product/151368 (http://www.ebuyer.com/product/151368) for the case would be all I'd need.  The fans included in that case would be welcome as well, especially considering the amount of power those components will be generating.

I really appreciate the effort you're going to to help out PatMan, thanks a lot!
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on March 27, 2009, 04:13:58 pm
Yeah that case looks like it'll be just fine.

The motherboard has integrated sound so you can work with that if you have to (I used integrated until it burnt out on my rig). Otherwise, any sound card will do. My rule of thumb with sound cards is that I don't spend more on a sound card than I'd spend on a game. Honestly, unless you're into hardcore recording or something, you're not going to need to spend a ton on a sound card. This card (http://www.ebuyer.com/product/98938) should be perfect for your purposes.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Lord Janos on March 27, 2009, 04:22:09 pm
Oh it has integrated sound, then yeah that'll be fine.  I listen to music on my laptop from it's dreadful speakers and it's fine for me.  Monitors will come down in price so yeah I'm not too fussed about particulars, although I don't know what defines a quality monitor from a crappy one.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on March 27, 2009, 05:24:42 pm
I'm not a pro with monitors but I've heard that the quality of an LCD monitor is really in its contrast ratio.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Lord Janos on March 30, 2009, 01:29:12 pm
Hey PatMan, I just realised that the motherboard you suggested isn't full sized.  It's quite a bit smaller than a standard motherboard.  Are you sure it'd be okay?  I've been encouraged to go for one of the Ati 4830s or 4850s as they are cheaper than the Nvidia cards quite considerably and only slightly less powerful.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on March 30, 2009, 01:32:26 pm
Yeah the board I chose was Micro ATX and I chose it mainly because it fit within the budget. You can get anything else you'd like though as long as it is socket LGA775 and has a PCI-E x16 2.0 slot (Unless of course you want to swap out the video card). I'm an Nvidia guy and don't really know much about the newer ATI cards. If they're being recommended above what I suggested then by all means go for it.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Lord Janos on March 30, 2009, 02:36:34 pm
I loved my old Ati Radeon 9600XT 256mb, it was an absolute peach of a little card.  I've never used Nvidia but was thinking of maybe going for that £85 (http://www.ebuyer.com/product/159710 (http://www.ebuyer.com/product/159710)) Ati 4830 and maybe invest in a better Power Supply (Corsair or something), because my last one blew up after a good four/five years (not a bad run!) and took most of my other components with it.  Apparently it's worth investing in a better power supply just for that very reason - it poses a danger to all your other components should something go wrong.  What do you think?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on March 30, 2009, 05:18:17 pm
The card looks good! I don't really agree so much on the power supply though. Now I wouldn't go buying the cheapest PSU out there but I wouldn't spend a fortune on one either. As long as it outputs what you need everything will be fine.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Lord Janos on March 31, 2009, 01:03:58 pm
I've decided to spend a good £60/£70 on a nice Coolermaster PSU.

Oh and do you think I should bother with thermal paste on the CPU if I'm not overclocking?  I was suggested it by a very helpful bloke on some hardware forums, but if I'm not going to overclock then is it really necessary?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on March 31, 2009, 05:51:14 pm
Thermal paste is a requirement for the CPU, there's no two ways about it. I usually buy Arctic Silver (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835100007). You can find it anywhere.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Fink on March 31, 2009, 05:54:49 pm
tehrmal paste is a requirement for teh CPU, tehre's no two ways about it. I usually buy Arctic Silver (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835100007). u can find it anywhere.

This is why I can't build a computer from scratch. The CPU part scares the hell out of me.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Lord Janos on April 01, 2009, 11:28:11 am
Quote from: PatMan33 link=kilter=7193.msg688935#msg688935 date=1238547074
tehrmal paste is a requirement for teh CPU, tehre's no two ways about it. I usually buy Arctic Silver (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835100007). u can find it anywhere.

This is why I can't build a computer from scratch. teh CPU part scrs teh hell out of me.

It seems pretty easy to be honest.  You just put a bit on with a credit card (an old one lol :P) and smooth it out over the bit that will come into contact with the fan bit (I'm not very technical!), making sure it doesn't come into contact with any of the important parts of the CPU.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on April 01, 2009, 03:59:00 pm
Heck, you don't even need a credit card. The tube has a little plunger on the back that you can depress to deposit as much paste as you need onto the back of the CPU.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Lord Janos on April 03, 2009, 11:26:12 am
I'm trying to decide on a monitor.   17" or 19", I don't mind.  I'll be keeping it at 1280x1024 so whatever's best for that for under £80.  Any ideas?  I'm awful with monitors I have no idea whatsoever what would be a good one to run things on 1280x1024.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: munchkin5 on April 03, 2009, 11:37:13 am
a minor question, what would you expect a desktop with an intel core 2 quadcore processor, 4GB of DDR2 RAM a 500 GB hard Drive and an Nvidia GeForce 120Gt 1GB graphics card and Vista Home Premium to cost (in stirling)?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on April 03, 2009, 01:11:39 pm
I'm trying to decide on a monitor.   17" or 19", I don't mind.  I'll be keeping it at 1280x1024 so whatever's best for that for under £80.  Any ideas?  I'm awful with monitors I have no idea whatsoever what would be a good one to run things on 1280x1024.

Cheers.

I've got a 19" widescreen myself and it looks fantastic and displays all of those resolutions just fine. I guess if you an afford it, go bigger.

a minor question, what would you expect a desktop with an intel core 2 quadcore processor, 4GB of DDR2 RAM a 500 GB hard Drive and an Nvidia GeForce 120Gt 1GB graphics card and Vista Home Premium to cost (in stirling)?

I can barely find any prices on that model of video card but let's see. It will definitely be more expensive than what we just built for Janos and that was about £520. He also didn't need an OS so that's gonna add another... £65 to the cost. Mt estimate would be somewhere around £650, though it could be higher.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: munchkin5 on April 03, 2009, 01:19:33 pm
Well thats good because i know where i can get one for £480 :D
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Lord Janos on April 03, 2009, 01:21:34 pm
I'm trying to decide on a monitor.   17" or 19", I don't mind.  I'll be keeping it at 1280x1024 so whatever's best for that for under £80.  Any ideas?  I'm awful with monitors I have no idea whatsoever what would be a good one to run things on 1280x1024.

Cheers.

I've got a 19" widescreen myself and it looks fantastic and displays all of those resolutions just fine. I guess if you an afford it, go bigger.

a minor question, what would you expect a desktop with an intel core 2 quadcore processor, 4GB of DDR2 RAM a 500 GB hard Drive and an Nvidia GeForce 120Gt 1GB graphics card and Vista Home Premium to cost (in stirling)?

I can barely find any prices on that model of video card but let's see. It will definitely be more expensive than what we just built for Janos and that was about £520. He also didn't need an OS so that's gonna add another... £65 to the cost. Mt estimate would be somewhere around £650, though it could be higher.

I was going to go for this Samsung: http://www.ebuyer.com/product/151386

And munchkin, I'd seriously just use your old XP OS and wait for Windows 7, or if you don't have a spare XP lying around then just buy XP Professional.  You can run things on 1gb less RAM (or think about it this way... you basically unlock another gig of your RAM which you paid good money for).  Vista is TERRIBLE in every respect, I hate it.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on April 03, 2009, 01:23:34 pm
Janos... I want that monitor. NOW!!
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: munchkin5 on April 03, 2009, 01:26:36 pm
I'm trying to decide on a monitor.   17" or 19", I don't mind.  I'll be keeping it at 1280x1024 so whatever's best for that for under £80.  Any ideas?  I'm awful with monitors I have no idea whatsoever what would be a good one to run things on 1280x1024.

Cheers.

I've got a 19" widescreen myself and it looks fantastic and displays all of those resolutions just fine. I guess if you an afford it, go bigger.

a minor question, what would you expect a desktop with an intel core 2 quadcore processor, 4GB of DDR2 RAM a 500 GB hard Drive and an Nvidia GeForce 120Gt 1GB graphics card and Vista Home Premium to cost (in stirling)?

I can barely find any prices on that model of video card but let's see. It will definitely be more expensive than what we just built for Janos and that was about £520. He also didn't need an OS so that's gonna add another... £65 to the cost. Mt estimate would be somewhere around £650, though it could be higher.

I was going to go for this Samsung: http://www.ebuyer.com/product/151386

And munchkin, I'd seriously just use your old XP OS and wait for Windows 7, or if you don't have a spare XP lying around then just buy XP Professional.  You can run things on 1gb less RAM (or think about it this way... you basically unlock another gig of your RAM which you paid good money for).  Vista is TERRIBLE in every respect, I hate it.

I'm running Vista now actually, and the one mentioned there is for a family P.C and they want Vista. Although there are problems with it, it's not so terrible to not be worth the low low price from argos extra.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Lord Janos on April 03, 2009, 01:29:14 pm
Janos... I want that monitor. NOW!!

=) Guess that means it should be good.  My reckoning was 19"=good, 1000:1=good, Samsung=generally good.

And Munchkin... that's fair enough.  And Vista isn't SO bad that if given to you on a deal or virtually free (like with my laptop), then it's bearable.  I still wouldn't choose it, mind.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: munchkin5 on April 04, 2009, 07:32:55 am
Gawd dammit, we've already had one problem with vista, the windows updater window won't open from the toolbar so you have to go all the way through the control pannel to get it. Fortuantely this is barely a problem and everything is running smooth.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Kishmond on April 06, 2009, 05:02:02 am
I went out shopping Saturday for a case and ended up finding all the other components I needed for less than I would've got them online. Got it all assembled now, just need a hard drive and an OS. It's a pretty sweet machine, too.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on April 06, 2009, 05:36:17 am
*shrug*

Were you planning on telling us what you got? :P
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Kishmond on April 06, 2009, 02:28:43 pm
Let me see if  I can remember off the top of my head.

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 940 + a motherboard
GPU: nVidia GeForce 9800 GTX+
Memory: 4G of 1066MHz DDR2 RAM
600W power supply + a very well-ventilated case

What I already have lying around:
500Gb hard drive
DVD-RW drive
monitor, I think it's 17"
Keyboard, mouse, speakers, etc., etc.


And I think I've made up my mind about an OS, I'll stick with XP until Windows 7 comes out. Maybe a few months after.

(Unless someone can convince me that there won't be performance issues. I also plan on getting the 32-bit version if I do get Vista.)
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on April 06, 2009, 02:35:24 pm
I'd definitely go for the 64 bit version. It's the future, man. I've never had a single problem with 64 bit.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Kishmond on April 07, 2009, 04:34:55 pm
Why are operating systems so ridiculously expensive?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on April 07, 2009, 06:00:40 pm
You tell us, we don't know!
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Fink on April 07, 2009, 09:17:06 pm
I've never bought an OS before. I've ether gotten it with the system, or through the MSDN alliance at school.

But I think I'll actually buy Win 7 when it comes out. They better not do a 100 different versions like Vista (http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/02/02/)  ::)
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Kishmond on April 10, 2009, 06:50:16 pm
Well there you have it, my OS arrives on Monday or Tuesday. I'm so excited!
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Fink on April 10, 2009, 07:12:10 pm
You never told us which one it is?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Kishmond on April 10, 2009, 08:44:02 pm
Windows Vista Ultimate 64-bit.

I have a habit of not telling people things, huh?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Danzik on April 13, 2009, 12:22:51 am
Looking to update the gaming PC for Left 4 Dead, Total War, etc.  Could use some upgrade recommendations.
Just need a Processor, MoBo, Ram and Graphics Card.  (Gonna recycle the rest from this PC)  Preferably around $500~700 total.
Thanks gents.

Right now I'm running:
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Processor: 
AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+, MMX, 3DNow (2 CPUs), ~2.2GHz

Memory:
2046MB RAM

Hard Drive:
160 GB

Video Card:
NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS

Monitor:
Dell 2007WFP (Digital) + Sony 17" LCD

Sound Card:
SoundMAX HD Audio

Operating System:
Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 2 (2600.xpsp_sp2_gdr.070227-2254)
in one of these (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133154) so space isn't really an issue.

Edit:
Graphics Card: Considering this  Geforce GTX 280  (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814143142).

Mother Board: Possibly one of these AMD Phenom II X4 940 Black (http://shop3.frys.com/product/5817973?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG) for $220 from Fry's.

MoBo: DFI Lan Party (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813136057)

Ram:   G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231166) - $54.99
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on April 13, 2009, 01:45:39 pm
Alrighty, cool beans! I'll have something for you later tonight or some time tomorrow.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on April 14, 2009, 01:21:17 pm
Alrighty Dan, here's what I've got for you.

Motherboard: MSI K9A2 Platinum (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130136) - $144.99
CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 940 Deneb 3.0GHz (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103471) - $214.99
Video Card: GeForce GTX 260 896MB (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130370) - $189.99
RAM: G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231166) - $54.99

This set up should definitely allow you to play the games you want with no troubles at all and will run you $604.96 when all is said and done. The processor is basically the same one you chose. When I was going through the specs I thought it might be best to downgrade the video card. The other one was really nice but not an optimal choice considering budget restrictions (had to be able to get some RAM). That RAM is very similar to the RAM I use (yours would be an upgraded version of what I've got) and should do nicely. With any luck (and I think this is the case) you will be able to also use your old RAM in this new rig.

If you've got any questions please feel free to ask. Also if anyone else notices any mistakes PLEASE point them out.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Kishmond on April 14, 2009, 02:14:54 pm
I also love that new computer smell.
Well, new case smell.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on April 14, 2009, 02:19:46 pm
We cannot be held responsible for any adverse side effects caused by inhaling the blue smoke.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Danzik on April 14, 2009, 03:43:11 pm
Very nice, thanks Pat.  Good call on the video card.  Seems like good bang for the buck.
Looks like I'll be picking up the video card at a later date and start with the MoBo, CPU and Ram.  (The 8800GTS I have now should work on this new Motherboard, right?)

Really like the ram, besides all the good review, the blue will look fantastic in this Thermaltech case. (That's valid reasoning, right?)

Probably order the stuff tonight and see how much of a bottleneck the 8800 becomes.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on April 14, 2009, 05:56:51 pm
the blue will look fantastic in this Thermaltech case. (That's valid reasoning, right?)

Is there ever a better reason? :D

Yeah the 8800 should work just fine in that motherboard. As for any bottlenecking, if there is any it'll be minor. At any rate, you're gonna be living it up with the living dead soon enough!
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Danzik on April 15, 2009, 12:59:26 am
Think I'm going to go with  this DFI Lan Party  (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813136057).  It's got some hot OC capabilities and the DFI MoBo I currently have is rock solid.

Sadly though, the home theater PC (can't remember if I posted pics of it or not) is being stolen by the girlfriend to replace her aged HP laptop.   :-\

Anyway, ordered tonight.  I'll post build pics this weekend.  Thanks again for the help :)
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on April 15, 2009, 07:05:12 am
Absolutely, happy to help! Keep us updated on how everything runs too!
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Danzik on April 18, 2009, 03:53:54 pm
Put it all together and it's running like a champ.  Been a bit sick lately so I'll get some pics up soon.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on April 18, 2009, 04:05:35 pm
Phew! It runs! :D
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Tesla on April 22, 2009, 08:00:18 am
Are there any alternatuves to newegg that ship internatonally?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on April 22, 2009, 02:49:56 pm
Probably, but I've never been to one. Usually someone just sends me a link to the site that ships to them. The nice thing is that the names of parts and stuff doesn't really change all that much with most of the European languages.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Xeno264 on April 22, 2009, 11:59:18 pm
So, my parents tell me we might be getting a new computer, mostly because this one is getting old and stuffing up, and because we can get one paid for by the government. Mum decided she wants one that can run whatever she likes, and asked me to find some specs. What do you guys think of this:

Operating System:
Windows XP or Vista.

Processor:
2.6+GHZ Intel or higher. Intel Core 2 DUO  2.2GHz or higher.
2.4+GHZ AMD or higher. AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+ or higher.

Memory:
2 Gigabyte Ram or more.

Video Card:
NVIDIA GeForce 7900 GTX or higher.
ATI X1800 XL series or higher.

Sound Card:
DirectX 9.0c compatible sound card and drivers.

Any advice or opinions are welcome.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on April 23, 2009, 09:34:52 am
Will you be using the computer at all for any kinds of games? Also will you be constructing the computer yourself or will it come ready-made?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Tesla on April 23, 2009, 09:43:30 am
I'm planning on building this, including the recommended 4GB RAM and 500GB HDD. (http://i.gizmodo.com/5222763/a-500-pc-that-rocks-out-crysis)

What do you think?

I've practiced disassembling and reassembling a desktop computer before by the way.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on April 23, 2009, 09:48:40 am
Looks good!

Do you have an operating system for this computer?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Tesla on April 23, 2009, 09:51:07 am
I'm thinking Windows 7 Beta.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on April 23, 2009, 12:54:51 pm
Hm, well you get what you pay for. I'd advise against that but the choice if yours. If you have to, it would be smart to wait until you can afford an OS.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Tesla on April 23, 2009, 01:37:36 pm
Well then I guess I'll snag a copy of XP from my dad's work.

Would this graphics card be a suitable replacement for the one in the article? It's also listed as an "ATI Radeon HD 4870" but I'm not sure if that means it's exactly the same. (http://www.dabs.ie/productview.aspx?Quicklinx=58JQ&SearchType=1&SearchTerms=hd+ati+radeon+4870&PageMode=3&SearchKey=All&SearchMode=All&NavigationKey=0)

By the way, ^^^ That seems to be an Irish site similar to newegg.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Xeno264 on April 23, 2009, 09:56:09 pm
Will you be using the computer at all for any kinds of games? Also will you be constructing the computer yourself or will it come ready-made?

Yes I'll be playing games, and I'm trying to get it so I can run Mass Effect without lag and with decent graphics. We'll most likely take the list down to the local computer shop and get Dale (the guy who owns it) to put it together for us.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on April 23, 2009, 09:59:01 pm
Alrighty. If at all possible, I'd try to get a better video card and spring for the Core 2 Duo.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Xeno264 on April 24, 2009, 01:24:05 am
Cool. What about an nVidia Geforce 9500GT?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on April 24, 2009, 11:40:06 am
That's a solid choice.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: MetallicDragon on April 24, 2009, 12:16:15 pm
9500GT should run any current game on at least medium settings, a decent resolution (1440x900 or more) at max framerate. It won't need replacement for 2-3 years at least.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Xeno264 on April 24, 2009, 06:31:57 pm
Cool thanks. :)

Edit: Thanks for the help but I'm unsure whether we're actually buying a new PC now. The day before we were going to get it Dad decided he didn't know whether we really needed a new computer and he's been like that since. Thanks anyway.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Magenti on June 02, 2009, 08:01:08 am
K guys,

recommend me a laptop.. I have a large budget but I dont think I want to go over $4000. Should have plenty of RAM a solid CPU and a large harddrive. Screensize can be 14 inch at min thats not really so important for me.

What do you recommend? Also, I dont want Asus, if something breaks they do not repair it.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on June 02, 2009, 10:27:19 am
I'll look around for you and try to have something for you a little later tonight or tomorrow morning.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Fink on June 02, 2009, 11:23:04 am
A $4000 laptop? Holy cow, you don't need to spend that much.

I got my gaming laptop for $1200, and it did everything I wanted it to do, plus had like a 17" screen, lol
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Magenti on June 02, 2009, 11:34:11 am
A $4000 laptop? Holy cow, you don't need to spend that much.

I got my gaming laptop for $1200, and it did everything I wanted it to do, plus had like a 17" screen, lol

Well obviously the less I have to pay the better, ill just write it off my company anyways.

Patman, thx!
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Bona Fide Supraman on June 03, 2009, 10:22:51 am
So I was wanting to build a PC (have since decided I'll take the parts to a shop and get it made, but same difference kinda)
and so I asked Patman for advice. I just thought I'd post the list up here and see what the other forumites thought.

Bear in mind that the brief I mentioned was for a quality sound-card, a quiet system, and then other than that as much as I could get for £1000 (minus the costs for perhaps a good set of speakers.)

Motherboard: ASUS P5Q Pro LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131299)
Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 Wolfdale 3.16GHz 6MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115036)
Video Card: EVGA 896-P3-1260-AR GeForce GTX 260 896MB 448-bit GDDR3 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130370)
RAM: G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231166)
Sound Card: HT | OMEGA STRIKER 7.1 Channels 24-bit 96KHz PCI Interface Sound Card (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829271001)
Hard Drive: Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD6400AAKS 640GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136218)
Power Supply: CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139005)
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on June 04, 2009, 12:36:57 pm
Magenti, I looked around at laptops for you. What I want you to do for me is to go onto Dell.com or another computer company's website and put together the laptop you think will work for you. I can't customize a laptop from scratch because I lack that specialized knowledge but I can guide you in the right direction with a pre-built system. So what I want you to do is to find something on one of those websites and point me to it to give me a better idea of what you're looking for, since it seems that you know some of the lingo and all that jazz.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Magenti on June 08, 2009, 08:39:46 am
I got this one: http://www.notebook.de/toshiba-qosmio-g-888#21231

I like the red and its bloody quad core. And the price is seriously low. I get the same comp with dual core for a higher price here in Sweden.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on June 08, 2009, 10:34:31 am
Alright, that does seem to be pretty solid. I'm somewhat out of my element with laptop parts and pricing; however, that seems alright for the price. If there's anything I'd change it would be the hard drive. Get more space if you can, especially if you're planning to use this for gaming. Also, get one of those lava suits for your lap. ;)
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Fink on June 08, 2009, 06:45:01 pm
So I just bought this:

Asus Eee PC 900 Netbook with 1.6GHz Atom Processor (http://www.woot.com/Blog/ViewEntry.aspx?Id=8415)

I've been looking for a netbook, and this will work.
It's not the greatest computer in the world. But I want something small for web surfing. I couldn't pass up a sub $200 netbook.

Specifications:

    * Operating System: GNU Linux (Going to upgrade to ubuntu netbook remix)
    * Display: 8.9” Display, 1024×600 resolution
    * LCD Type: LED Backlit
    * Intel CPU & Chipset: Intel® Atom N270 1.6GHz
    * Hard Drive: 4GB Solid State Drive (SSD) (I'm going to do all my work online, so storage isn't a big deal. Plus I got a 16gig flash drive)
    * WLAN: Built-in 802.11b/g
    * Memory: DDR II 1GB
    * Display Card: Intel UMA
    * Audio: Hi-definition Audio
    * Stereo speakers
    * Built-in Mic
    * Storage Cards: SD/ MMC (SDHC)
    * Battery: Li-ion Battery, 4 hrs of operation under normal use
    * Power: Output: 12V, 36W; Input: 100-240V AC, 50/60Hz universal
    * Dimensions: 8.86" (W) x 6.7" (D)  x 0.79" ~ 1.33" (H)
    * Weight: 2.20 lbs (with Battery)
    * Case Color: Pearl White (I wish it wasn't white, but meh)
    * ASUS Exclusive Utility: Super Hybrid Engine; Eee Connect; Dr. Eee

What do you think Pat my Man?  :D

[Edit]
New link
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on June 08, 2009, 07:32:51 pm
Looks alright; however, you should really reconsider your choice in hard drive. You'll probably find yourself needing more than 4 gigs at some point (despite your claim to the contrary) and that drive is probably costing you more than you think.

I dunno, I'm not a fan of these netbook/micro notebook things. Even though they're cheap, I still can't justify the cost in my mind.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Fink on June 08, 2009, 07:51:03 pm
Yeah, I might need more room. If so, I think I'll buy this:

32 Gig SSD (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820609406)

I really wanted a PC with SSD. I just like the idea of a PC with no moving parts. And that will help battery life.
My last laptop was a gaming laptop, and it never left my desk.

Even if this is small. I think it would be good for notes in class, and stuff.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on June 08, 2009, 07:58:50 pm
Eh... you can get a SSD if you want but I'd wait a couple years. It's your money.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Fink on June 08, 2009, 08:23:00 pm
I'll let you know if it's good or not.  :)

*Edit*

Well, I've been up half the night because I can't wait for the thing to arrive. So in the meantime I've been looking up as much info as I can about it.

I'm going to go with "Ubuntu Netbook Remix"  (http://www.canonical.com/projects/ubuntu/unr)
And even have the flash drive ready.

I've found a small problem though. The SSD that comes with the Eee PC 900a is slow. I might have to ditch it for one with faster write speeds. I've found a good one on Newegg for $86 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820609406).

The netbook was still a great deal even if it's not sub $200 after the upgrade.

Should be fun  :)
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Magenti on June 11, 2009, 05:03:52 am
My new laptop which almost beats my stationary but not quite.

1 x     Qi1730

    * Display Qi1730: 17" WUXGA (1920x1200) Highline Full HD
    * Intel i7 Core desktop processors: Quadcore: Intel® Core™ i7-920 (4 x 2.66 GHz, 8MB Smart Cache, QPI)
    * Graphics Qi1730: BRANDNEW: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 280M 1GB
    * Memory Qi1730: 6GB (DDR3)
    * Hard disc drive: 500GB (2.5", SATA , 7200rpm)
    * 2nd Hard Disc Drive: 500GB (2.5", SATA , 7200rpm)
    * 3rd Hard Disc Drive: no thanks
    * eSATA (additional external Hard Disk Drive): none
    * HDMI: 1x HDMI port
    * Webcam new: 2,0 Megapix Webcam integrated in display frame
    * Bluetooth: none
    * Optical disc drive: 8x Dual Layer DVD+/-RW / 24x CD-RW
    * Wireless Network Card: Intel® Next-Gen Wireless-N (WiFi Link 4965AGN/AG)
    * Additional Power supply: Additional Smart Li-ION Battery Pack
    * TV-Tuner: no thanks
    * Keyboard option: Swedish/Finnish
    * Warranty: 24months European warranty
    * Additional service: no thanks
    * Operating System: none
    * Language Operating System: Swedish

Imma load it with my windows ultimate x64 disc.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on June 11, 2009, 09:41:27 am
Looks like fun!
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Magenti on June 11, 2009, 10:27:01 am
A bit concerned about the weight of the thing.. but I think ill live sitting in the sun playing minecraft XWEE
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Fink on June 11, 2009, 05:35:42 pm
On the opposite side of that... my laptop hasn't shipped yet. Curse you Woot, and your $5 shipping.

I want my monkey man, I mean netbook.

[Edit]

A week latter....

Yay, I got it  ;D

It's tiny, but I'm in love. Installing Eeebuntu on it right now
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Doctor Z on June 19, 2009, 09:56:58 pm
Alright, then.

I need a desktop computer (I've given up on Laptop... D:) that can play Team Fortress 2, at maximum settings. But only, for at most, 500.

Patman, can you do eet?! D:
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on June 19, 2009, 10:57:05 pm
Hm... depends.

Do you have an OS available that you can install? If so, consider trying the Crysis rig (http://kotaku.com/5223590/a-500-pc-that-can-kick-crysis-ass).
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Doctor Z on June 20, 2009, 12:00:28 pm
Hm... depends.

Do you have an OS available that you can install? If so, consider trying the Crysis rig (http://kotaku.com/5223590/a-500-pc-that-can-kick-crysis-ass).
Unfortunately, no. I don't have an OS. The computer I use came with Windows XP built in, so yeah.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on June 20, 2009, 12:42:42 pm
Alright that complicates things a bit. Without an OS it's gonna be tough to max out TF2 with 500 bucks.

Is this the same sum of money that you approached me with before? The sum that I said to sit on for a while until you can build something worthwhile?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Doctor Z on June 20, 2009, 12:46:32 pm
Basically, yes. But yeah, at least with a desktop, built by me (>_>), I can easily upgrade it as I come into more money. The reason I need it soon, is because the computer I have now is dying fast. D:
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on June 20, 2009, 01:47:57 pm
What's the problem with your current computer?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Doctor Z on June 20, 2009, 02:46:09 pm
Eh.. Off the top of my head?

USB ports down work, graphics card has problems (it crashes... Somehow.), and I seem to have a lot of viruses, but the computer doesn't detect them.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on June 20, 2009, 03:16:10 pm
You running spyware checks?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Doctor Z on June 20, 2009, 03:24:42 pm
I did, nothing came up.

D:
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on June 20, 2009, 06:12:39 pm
What are you using?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Doctor Z on June 20, 2009, 07:58:00 pm
I used AVG.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on June 20, 2009, 10:32:59 pm
Agh!

Please read the first post of this topic and do everything it says. (http://www.gamingsteve.com/blab/index.php?topic=15563.0)
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: MetallicDragon on June 21, 2009, 02:03:19 pm
http://www.hardware-revolution.com/computer-systems/gaming-pc/

Check this website, it has different builds for different price points and it's updated regularly.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Doctor Z on June 21, 2009, 02:17:20 pm
Alright, Pat? I've basically given up on this thing. It's nearly 5 years old anyway, so yeah, I don't really care much beyond getting the stuff I want off the hard drive.

I talked to me mum about it, and I got the impression that she's willing to swing the 600ish bucks that getting a 500 dollar rig, + OS, would cost.

Seeing as how I don't care for Vista, I'm probably just gonna get this (http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2552182&csid=_21) OS. How does it look, guis? :3
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Fink on June 21, 2009, 03:44:43 pm
Agh!

Please read the first post of this topic and do everything it says. (http://www.gamingsteve.com/blab/index.php?topic=15563.0)

Why do you hate AVG? It's better then paying for Norton or Mcafee every year to slow down your computer.

According to the lifehacker community AVG is the best free scanner. (http://lifehacker.com/395046/five-best-antivirus-applications)

I'm not trying to flame you, I've just never herd of anyone not liking AVG. Some facts/links would be nice.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on June 21, 2009, 05:02:10 pm
post

If your Mom is willing to go to 600 then there's no reason why you can't do the Crysis rig (http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/build_a_500_pc_play_crysis_40fps?page=0%2C0). That will satisfy your conditions. 500 for the hardware, 100 for the software.

Fink, I dislike AVG because of my own experiences with it. It deleted several of my executable files (various games, Microsoft Office, Internet Explorer, et cetera) without warning and forced me to go through a lot more hassle than I needed to in order to get everything up and running again. Those are my problems. I did a little research for you and came up with this (http://blogs.chron.com/techblog/archives/2008/06/guest_post_claus_valcas_little_avg_8_problem.html); beyond it, there's a myriad of technical support forums filled with questions.

Hey, maybe it works for you, that's cool. StarForce works just fine for some people too. I'm just putting my own two cents in. And since very few people wanted to help me with the computer help topic when I asked, much of it is based on my own opinion. You're more than welcome to present a counter-argument in the help topic, people have done it before and found success. Make it good though. ;)
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Tesla on June 21, 2009, 05:06:12 pm
Pfft. Don't listen to this guy. He thinks House is the only good show on TV. Who KNOWS what wacky things he thinks about computers??
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Fink on June 21, 2009, 05:22:37 pm
Well, the problem of deleting things you don't want to is a problem with all anti virus products.
They compare code with known viruses to detect them, and sometimes it gets it wrong. Until someone finds a better way, all anti viruses will have a risk of doing that.

I see why you don't use it, I was just wondering as to why.
If that happened to me I wouldn't use it too.

I'll try and post more in the computer help thread, ya know, to keep ya honest  :P
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: /lurk on June 21, 2009, 05:24:39 pm
Unless they ask for confirmation before deleting your stuff.


Like every virus scanner ever does.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Doctor Z on June 21, 2009, 06:03:28 pm
post

If your Mom is willing to go to 600 then there's no reason why you can't do the Crysis rig (http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/build_a_500_pc_play_crysis_40fps?page=0%2C0). That will satisfy your conditions. 500 for the hardware, 100 for the software.
Hey, Pat! Thanks, man! :D And, hey! Cool! It comes with instructions! That's always nice! :3
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on June 21, 2009, 06:16:00 pm
If you do that, I want a full status report on it. I've been itching to see that rig in action for a while now. :D
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Doctor Z on June 21, 2009, 06:42:10 pm
Alright, just... like give me a form to fill out. This IS my first build, so I don't know what you're looking for! :3

Also, what about Internet and Sound? I didn't see anything mentioned about that! And hard drive space. >_>
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on June 21, 2009, 06:55:55 pm
Internet and sound is all integrated into the motherboard. That's about standard for all desktop computers nowadays.

The instructions list a hard drive (it's 320 gigs) but you can get something more potent if you want. Hard drives aren't too difficult.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Doctor Z on June 21, 2009, 06:56:55 pm
Holy****, 320?

I don't even need half of that!

Nice to have, though. :3
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Fink on June 21, 2009, 07:37:39 pm
So Pat (or anyone who wants to chime in), I need some advice.

When you have the choice in storage do you go with: speed or storage space?
Ether option will be faster then my current setup, but which do you go with?

Right now, I'm leaning toward speed since I can get more storage from an external source (flash drive, external hard drive, my server, etc)

But I want your opinion before I post with more info about my dilemma.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: MetallicDragon on June 21, 2009, 07:43:48 pm
Get enough space that you would reasonably use in the computer's lifetime, and if you have extra budget put it into speed.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Fink on June 21, 2009, 08:04:18 pm
Get enough space that you would reasonably use in the computer's lifetime, and if you have extra budget put it into speed.

Ok, I'll just explain.

Right now I have 4 gigs of space in my netbook.

"4Gigs!?!?!" you say, but the thing is that it's a SSD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid-state_drive). I wanted one with a SSD because it's shock proof, no moving parts.

The reasons I want to upgrade the SSD in the 1st place (other then more space) is because of the ridiculously low read/write speeds. It's like 30/4 MB/s
So, here are my two choices:

16 Gig SSD (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820609435): 150r/100w MB/s (Freaking fast)

or

32 Gig SSD (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820609406): 90r/55w MB/s (Not as fast, but still faster)

Keep in mind that this is a netbook. Meant for surfing and taking notes.
So what do you guys think?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Doctor Z on June 21, 2009, 08:32:13 pm
Taking notes? In class?

I'd go with the faster speed. You can use a flash drive if it gets filled, but you probably need the more speed. >_>
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on June 21, 2009, 09:12:04 pm
Netbook storage issues

Not to gloat...

Looks alright; however, you should really reconsider your choice in hard drive. You'll probably find yourself needing more than 4 gigs at some point (despite your claim to the contrary) and that drive is probably costing you more than you think.

But let's see. SSDs are supposed to have very high read/write speeds. That shouldn't even be an issue, a mid-level SSD can outstrip the best HDD with no trouble at all. Perhaps the drive itself is defective. I guess you can't fit an HDD into a netbook, right?

I'd go for the larger storage space.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Fink on June 22, 2009, 02:49:41 am
How'd I know you where  going to bring that up  ;D

*Hugs Pat*

No, I was planning on upgrading the drive before I even got it. Everything I have read about this modal says that the factory drive is junk.

Testing Faster SSD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7loR812qBrI) (Skip to 5 mins in)

It's defiantly bottlenecking at the SSD.

*Edit*

Again, I must emphasize that storage isn't a problem with the 4gig. Eeebuntu is fully loaded on this with a gig left. I'm doing this for the speed, but the extra drive space helps. I could put WinXp on here with more space.

*Edit 2*

lol, I got it boot Win7 (at lest the installer) from a flash drive. Per these instructions:

"How To Install Windows 7 On Almost Any Netbook" (http://gizmodo.com/5257386/how-to-install-windows-7-on-almost-any-netbook)

"Creating Bootable Vista / Windows 7 USB Flash Drive" (http://kmwoley.com/blog/?p=345)

I just need the space to install it.
I think I will go with the 32 Gig one. It's lighting faster then my current one, plus it's double the space of the other one I was going to buy.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Doctor Z on June 22, 2009, 02:14:44 pm
Patmaaaahn, which of these is better?

This? (http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2552182&csid=_21)

OR this! (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116049)
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on June 22, 2009, 02:32:47 pm
This? (http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2552182&csid=_21)

Get Home edition.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Fink on June 22, 2009, 03:10:52 pm
I prefer Pro, because I can use remote desktop. However, you might never use that.

So Pats right, get home. Media center isn't really an OS.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Magenti on June 22, 2009, 03:47:27 pm
I personally use Vista Ultimate for both my new laptop and my stationary.

Works like a charm and you can even change the display language at will.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: MetallicDragon on June 22, 2009, 06:37:34 pm
What does home have that media center doesn't?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Fink on June 22, 2009, 06:44:11 pm
What does home have that media center doesn't?

Support form Microsoft for one

I personally use Vista Ultimate for both my new laptop and my stationary.

Works like a charm and you can even change the display language at will.

Bah!

Read this (http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1898610_1898625_1898627,00.html)
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on June 22, 2009, 06:50:02 pm
I love Vista Ultimate. If you're gonna get Vista you should get Ultimate.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Fink on June 22, 2009, 07:01:21 pm
I love Vista Ultimate. If you're gonna get Vista you should get Ultimate.

Ok, I've never tired VU, so I don't know if it's better. But I hate vista.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Xeno264 on June 25, 2009, 02:38:43 am
Well then, we finally got around to buying a new PC. Went down to the swapmeet and had it built on-site for $650 AUD all up.


What do you guys think?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Doctor Z on June 25, 2009, 02:51:05 am
I just realized.

Newegg.com doesnt ship to Canada.

Newegg.ca, though, does. But some of the parts that that Crysis rig has are sold out in Canada.

>_>

I have NO idea what to look for, to replace those parts that are missing...

I got the case, motherboard, CPU, and hard drive...

Not the Video Card, or the optical drive. :P D: Or anything else it's missing.

Halp?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Tesla on June 25, 2009, 03:42:38 am
Try Tigerdirect.com. They ship internationally.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on June 25, 2009, 07:14:09 am
Halp?

If the parts are only sold out for the time being the answer is the be patient.

Well then, we finally got around to buying a new PC. Went down to the swapmeet and had it built on-site for $650 AUD all up.

  • 4GB RAM
  • 2.8GHz Dual-core processor
  • 320GB HDD
  • Nvidia Geforce 9500GT card w/1GB GDDR2
  • GIGABYTE EP31-DS3L Motherboard

What do you guys think?

Looks good! I wish I had your video card.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Fink on June 25, 2009, 07:16:51 am
Halp?

If the parts are only sold out for the time being the answer is the be patient.

Yeah, Newegg has a auto notify you can use to tell you when stuff is back in stock.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Doctor Z on June 25, 2009, 10:21:23 am
Oh... Really?

Well, that's helpful..


Yay, you halp'd.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Bona Fide Supraman on June 29, 2009, 09:29:15 am
Just thought I'd post my list of parts to make sure it's all ok.

Processor (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-280-IN)

Graphics Card (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-088-EA)

Motherboard (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-280-AS)

OS (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=SW-037-MS)

PSU (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-008-CS)

Harddrive (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-244-WD) x 2

Blu-Ray drive (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CD-059-SO)

DVD-RW Drive (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CD-090-LG)

Case (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-101-AN)

Sound Card (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=SC-040-CL)

Bling (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-007-AK)

Keyboard (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=KB-003-CH)

Mouse (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=KB-084-LG)

RAM (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-136-CS)
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Gauphastus on June 29, 2009, 10:51:21 am
The socket type for your processor doesn't match your motherboard.
Your processor is LGA1336 while your motherboard is LGA775.

It's imperative you keep those matched or else it won't fit. :P
775 is older though. Going out even. If anything I'd step up the motherboard to suit your LGA1336 processor.
Try this section instead -- http://www.overclockers.co.uk/productlist.php?groupid=701&catid=5&subid=1283

There's also some stuff about FSB I'm probably forgetting. It's not important to match up, but it certainly helps your performance if your motherboard has a high max FSB.
That way, you can upgrade to a higher FSB processor or RAM. I think.
This was something I considered when making mine. Not sure if it's explained right but whatever.

In any case, that motherboard x processor is a problem. Better have another look around.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Bona Fide Supraman on July 09, 2009, 03:06:44 pm
So I'm now writing this from my new PC. It's awesome and stuff.

A massive thanks, mainly to Pat. Cheers.

Edit:

Ah dear, I knew I screwed up somewhere.

Blindly I installed my 2 540 GB SATA hard-drives as RAID...so now I only have 540GB total capacity.

Is there a quick fix or do I have to reset the whole thing?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on July 09, 2009, 05:50:50 pm
I've never actually done RAID myself. I would imagine that since one HDD is only a copy, that you could disable RAID and then reformat the copy drive without any serious issues. I'd sit tight for another opinion though.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Bona Fide Supraman on July 09, 2009, 06:01:33 pm
I changed where they were connected to but somehow it still manages to load the OS.

Formatting the disks would take me back to the start right?

How do I go about doing that?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on July 09, 2009, 06:05:11 pm
You can format the disks via your OS install disk. And yes, that will take you back to zero.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Bona Fide Supraman on July 09, 2009, 06:09:11 pm
Good enough for me. Just stick it in and press "format"?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on July 09, 2009, 06:33:39 pm
Uh, no there should be a setup program where you can select the hard drives and decide what you'd like to do.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: MetallicDragon on July 09, 2009, 07:44:48 pm
Make sure you set them up as striped RAID. This makes loading times much faster and still gives you the total file space of both disks combined. I'm not sure if it's RAID 1 or 0 or whatever.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: munchkin5 on July 22, 2009, 07:58:37 am
So i'm looking at a couple of graphics cards here, and i can't see the diffrence despite the huge price diffrence, so i thought i'd ask here just to see if im missing something obvious;

card 1 (http://www.dabs.com/products/gainward-geforce-gtx-295-1792mb-gddr3-pcie-2xdvi-5HGT.html#specifications)

card 2 (http://www.scan.co.uk/Product.aspx?WebProductID=942349&source=ci2&srccode=cii_7240466&cpncode=25-109243)

EDIT; just found another one thats even cheaper than the other 2

card 3 (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?asu-295)
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on July 22, 2009, 09:01:30 am
The second card has double the memory clock speed if these data sheets are to be believed. That means that the Video RAM is better and would account for the added cost; however, looking at the third, I see that the clock speed is 1998MHz (the first card had a clock speed of 998MHz and the second a speed of 2000MHz) so I sort of suspect that there may be a typo on the page for the first card.

Either way, I'd get the third card. It's very nice! :)
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Hammerman58 on July 23, 2009, 07:01:29 pm
I need a new mother board. Its going bad. That means I need new ram. I should also just get a new processor to. Maybe a power supply. My geforce  8800 gt is still good :)
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on July 23, 2009, 07:03:34 pm
That's a lot of money you're talking about. You don't have to get new RAM or a new Processor if you don't want to. Can you tell me what model motherboard you have currently?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Hammerman58 on July 23, 2009, 07:10:41 pm
Abit Ip 95.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on July 23, 2009, 07:13:50 pm
Do you want to upgrade those components you mentioned or was that just wishful thinking? :)
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Hammerman58 on July 23, 2009, 07:16:44 pm
I do. I only have a 1.8 core 2 duo. I got 2gigs of ram no complaint there could use more but I only have 2 slots for ddr2. My power supply is only a 450w. Its just with motherboards you just got to watch what you buy to make sure everything is compatible. Its mostly the rams fault.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on July 23, 2009, 07:26:30 pm
Can you handle it yourself or do you need a hand?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Hammerman58 on July 23, 2009, 07:28:03 pm
I built my rig myself. I'm good.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: The Dead Herring on August 01, 2009, 01:55:59 am
The second card has double the memory clock speed if these data sheets are to be believed. That means that the Video RAM is better and would account for the added cost; however, looking at the third, I see that the clock speed is 1998MHz (the first card had a clock speed of 998MHz and the second a speed of 2000MHz) so I sort of suspect that there may be a typo on the page for the first card.

Either way, I'd get the third card. It's very nice! :)

Actually, all three cards have very similar specifications, they are very close to GTX 295 reference model from nVidia. Usually, the only thing distinguishing different manufacturers of the same card are they post sales support, warranties, design, etc.

The apparent difference in memory clock speed stems from the issue of 'physical' and 'effective' memory speeds. I cant remember why exactly, but on the 200 series and some other lines of cards, the 'effective' speed is always 2x the 'physical' speed.

Sometimes retailers give the effective speed and some give the physical speed, but the actual physical memory clock will be very similar between brands.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Doctor Z on October 12, 2009, 11:50:06 am
I guess I should put this here.. >_>


Quote
Does anyone know of a good laptop, for at most 676 US (including tax in that 676) that can run HoI3 and L4D2?

Code: (Hearts of Iron 3) [Select]
Operating System: Microsoft® Windows® 2000/XP/Vista
Processor: Intel Pentium IV 2.4 GHz or AMD 3500+ (quad core)
Memory: 2 GB of RAM
Hard Disk Space: 2 GB
Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 or ATI Radeon X1900 videocard
Sound: Direct X-compatible sound card
DirectX®: Direct X 9.0

Code: (Left for Dead 2) [Select]
Minimum:

Supported OS: Windows® 7 / Vista / Vista64 / XP
Processor: Pentium 4 3.0GHz
Memory: 1 GB for XP / 2GB for Vista
Graphics: DirectX 9 compatible video card with 128 MB, Shader model 2.0. ATI X800, NVidia 6600 or better
Hard Drive: At least 7.5 GB of free space
Sound Card: DirectX 9.0c compatible sound card


Recommended:
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Supported OS: Windows® 7 / Vista / Vista64 / XP
Processor: Intel core 2 duo 2.4GHz
Memory: 1 GB for XP / 2GB for Vista
Graphics: DirectX 9 compatible video card with Shader model 3.0. NVidia 7600, ATI X1600 or better
Hard Drive: At least 7.5 GB of free space
Sound Card: DirectX 9.0c compatible sound card

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IF you know of any deals on the 29th, or further on from that, then that would be greatly appreciated
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Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on October 12, 2009, 05:13:04 pm
I'm looking at the Dell Studio 15 laptop. It seems like it will get the job done. Look at the cheapest model, it is $599 USD. I threw in an upgraded video card (which you will need) and the final price came to $674 USD.

You can also try fussing around with any major manufacturer's website. They all have laptop builders and you can compare and contrast specs. It may be easier for you to build what you think you need and then come back here and show us your results.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on October 29, 2009, 06:52:19 am
Doing some quick upgrades to get extra juice out of my computer.

Going from a GeForce 8800GTS to two Radeon HD 5770s. It'll be my first experience with ATI but I'm excited! The best part is that these cards are way better than my current card AND they're a bargain DX11 card at about $150 a piece. Also going to take advantage of Newegg's monitor deal and get an Acer H213H. Finally, I'm getting a new case because I really need one. Anyway, hooray! I love the smell of new computer parts in the morning. :)
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Fink on October 29, 2009, 11:58:16 am
Hey Pat, I got one for ya.
What about buying a windows home server?

I'm currently trying out the 30 trial on an old machine, but I think I want a faster dedicated box (the current one is a P4).

I'm looking for something cheap. Multiple hard drives would be nice since it can do RAID, but the size of the drives doesn't really matter.
Needs to come with Windows Home Server (duh)

Let me know if you find anything  :)
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Legodragonxp on October 29, 2009, 12:23:22 pm
This might have changed, but normally you cannot buy Windows Home Server as a stand alone product unless you have a friend at Microsoft that can buy a copy for you. Sure, you can test it, but they want you to buy a complete macine instead. This might have changed, but I couldn't find it just now.

(which reminds me I need to set mine up one of these days)

-Lego
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Fink on October 29, 2009, 05:49:57 pm
You can buy it now.

Microsoft Windows Home Server 32 Bit 1 Pack (Power pack 1) - OEM (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116550)
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: gec05 on November 16, 2009, 03:17:46 pm
I need help deciding on a graphics processor. And I need some input on what are the advantages and consequences of either. Which would be the better choice? a GeForce GT 240 or a GeForce 9400 GT?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on November 16, 2009, 03:33:55 pm
I'd go with the GT 240. From the benchmarks I looked at (http://xtreview.com/addcomment-id-10362-view-GeForce-GT-240-performance-review.html), it can keep pace with the 9600GT which is a step up from your alternate choice. Also, there are two flavors of the GT 240, GDDR-3 and a GDDR-5. Get the GDDR-5 model if you can afford it. The card won't kill all comers but it will do what you need.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Fink on November 16, 2009, 10:39:18 pm
Wow, Check this out:

Mini NAS (http://www.addonics.com/products/nas/NAS25HDU2.asp)

What do you think? Yes, I know, it doesn't have a 1000/100 NIC, but my network isn't set up for that anyway.

Right now, I'm using an old computer (with IDE drives  ::) ) as my FreeNAS server.
I wish I could get some screen shots of this NAS's OS (I don't even know what it is!). I'm guessing it's not as robust as freeNAS.

I dunno, it looks like I have to buy a drive for it too, which about doubles the cost.

Any ideas? If I do get it, I'm going to buy the drive off newegg.

[Edit]

I downloaded the user manual. Looks like it's there own proprietary OS. It seams to do a lot though, hmmm.
The only thing I'm not sure about it subscribing to BT RSS feeds (for Top Gear) so I don't have to go looking for it.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on November 17, 2009, 09:58:06 am
I dunno... it just seems like another piece of technology that you don't really need that may or may not work right.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Tesla on November 29, 2009, 04:25:41 am
Well, I've finally settled on the PC I'm going to get. Here it is. (http://www.shop.bt.com/products/fujitsu-dp3-core2quad-4gb-1tb-bluray-vista-home-premium-5L4Q.html) It's got lots of goodness. ;D
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: MetallicDragon on December 03, 2009, 09:19:52 pm
I'm thinking of getting a new desktop PC for christmas. Anyone have suggestions for CPUs/GPUs? I'm looking at a 500-700$ price range.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Tesla on December 04, 2009, 01:23:53 pm
This is the one I was originally gonna get, Pat showed it to me. It says unavailable now but it's been going in and out a lot. $649. (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4545455&CatId=4927)
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: MetallicDragon on December 04, 2009, 02:04:47 pm
This is the one I was originally gonna get, Pat showed it to me. It says unavailable now but it's been going in and out a lot. $649. (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4545455&CatId=4927)

I was going to build my own computer (one similar to that one would cost about 100$ less and would be better in some areas), but thanks anyways.

I was looking around and this (http://www.hardware-revolution.com/500-gaming-computer/) looks to be a pretty nice, up-to-date build. Anyone have any thoughts/comments?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on December 04, 2009, 02:10:41 pm
Is that the Crysis one? It looks a lot like it.

Either way, good stuff. The one I recommended for Always took into account his specific shipping and handling issues. If you're in one of the unicorn countries, that's a good rig to consider.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Tesla on December 04, 2009, 02:13:33 pm
It's gonna be a fun christmas. Oh my.

Still have to get a monitor somewhere though. :P
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: LadyM on January 26, 2010, 04:25:49 pm
I'm buying a new computer and I'm very excited about it. It's already ordered, I splurged and built a monster. :D Hopefully it will work fine and I won't end up with the Alienware disaster of a year ago. I'll post photos when it gets here. Lot's of room for all those steam games I bought. :)

AMD Phenom II x4 3.4 ghz
water cooled, 1000 watt power
8 GB of ram
Nvidia GeForce GTX 285 (1GB)
1.5 TB hard drive
media reader, windows 7 and a blue ray drive.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Xeno264 on January 26, 2010, 05:06:46 pm
Dear god, I wish my rig was that powerful...
If you don't mind my asking, how much was it?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: LadyM on February 17, 2010, 02:37:49 pm
My computer (http://loot-ninja.com/2010/02/16/falcon-northwest-rocks-the-gaming-computers/) came in 2 weeks ago, it's a beast and I love it!!

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n100/GamingLadyM/forum%20photos/DSC05141.jpg)
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on February 17, 2010, 02:48:18 pm
Very superlative!
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: eropS on February 17, 2010, 02:58:26 pm
Well. I know where I am going for my laptop.

That 'rain' paint job they have is sick.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Gungnir on February 17, 2010, 03:04:22 pm
What OS are you running? I'm assuming Win7 64 bit?

Not sure if people still go with Vista..
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: LadyM on February 18, 2010, 09:09:27 am
What OS are you running? I'm assuming Win7 64 bit?

Not sure if people still go with Vista..
Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Gauphastus on March 26, 2010, 08:30:37 pm
Talking graphics cards here for a sec.
So I'm going around reading up on the new and upcoming GTX 470 and 480.
I'm hearing a lot of disappointment. Apparently the thing requires almost 300 watts, runs at 100 degrees, costs from 400 - 500 bucks, and only barely outperforms the Radeon HD5850.

I was gonna get a new graphics card sometime here. Gonna wait a little longer to see how this whole thing turns out.
Still, it looks like I might be buying my first ever ATI card, dudes.

EDIT:
Ohoho!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpZXhR1ibj8
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on March 27, 2010, 06:49:09 am
That's what I did over the summer and I'm not disappointed. Don't spend more than 300 bucks or you're a tool. ;)
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Gauphastus on March 27, 2010, 11:09:55 pm
Well, I was thinking of going from my 8800 GT to a HD 5770. Not terribly expensive at all, and a pretty damn nice step up. Almost double performance in most areas.
Found a very recent thread here that seems to agree with me.
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/284656-33-need-upgrade-8800gt

That sounds good.
I still think I'll wait just a little longer to see everything settle after Nvidia's offering.
Figuring it might shake some deals out.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on March 28, 2010, 09:11:47 am
Hey, that's the very same thing I did. Went from an 8800GT (great card) to two 5770s and they can kill anything I throw at them. Definitely do it.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Cow on April 07, 2010, 03:52:45 pm
http://www.cheapstingybargains.com/154201/dell-studio-xps-435-desktop-with-core-i7-920-processor-266ghz-and-no-monitor/ (http://www.cheapstingybargains.com/154201/dell-studio-xps-435-desktop-with-core-i7-920-processor-266ghz-and-no-monitor/)

Is this overkill? It seems to me that the power of PCs has far outpaced the games they run.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on April 07, 2010, 07:55:30 pm
Looks good, though perhaps a bit overpriced. I don't know a ton about the Core i7 series but I wouldn't drop that kind of money for an 8MB Cache. Also, you could swap out the video card they have in there and put in all sorts of other things depending on taste and probably get better performance. If I were offered this computer at that price I'd decline because I can probably build something better myself for about 700 bucks.

Still, if you're not into parts and labor and if you don't have a good monitor or your own copy of an OS, this computer is a decent buy.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Cow on April 08, 2010, 07:58:46 am
Yah, my dad and I will probably just build one. He doesn't like paying full price for that stuff, anyway, and I think we can actually get a free copy of Vista/Windows 7 from my brother in college (go computer science program).
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Fink on April 19, 2010, 12:14:43 pm
Hey guys, what Nvidia video card do you recommend? (PCIe 16x)
Ultra mode is coming to city of heroes next issue, and I want to be able to use it  :D

(ATI and CoH don't get along very well)

I need to buy a new power supply. I think this one is only a 380W.

I might jump on this power supply, since it's really cheap right now:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171037

Then, I was thinking of getting this video card:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130433
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on April 19, 2010, 01:01:40 pm
I think you've found yourself some good hardware! Buy buy buy!

Just something to be aware of, though. That card is PCI-E 2.0 16x. It should still work if your board isn't a 2.0 board but it may not work to its full potential.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Cow on April 29, 2010, 04:34:18 pm
So, I've got this build, tell me what you think:

Nzxt Alpha Mid-Tower - 59.99
Intel Core i7 920 - 279.99
Ultra LSP750 750-Watt Power Supply- 79.99
ASUS P6T Motherboard - 229.99
Seagate 1.5 TB Hard Drive - 69.99 after rebate
LG GH22NP20 DVDRW Drive - 29.99
XFX Radeon HD 5870 - 409.99
Corsair Core i7 Dominator 6GB - 209.99 after rebate

For a grand total of 1369.92. Good deal?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on April 29, 2010, 06:46:25 pm
What do you hope to accomplish with that computer? If it's maxing out games, you can get mid-level hardware that will do the same thing and you'll spend much less.

If an extra 500-600 bucks is worth the bragging rights, then go for it.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Cow on April 30, 2010, 07:36:45 pm
What do you hope to accomplish with that computer? If it's maxing out games, you can get mid-level hardware that will do the same thing and you'll spend much less.

If an extra 500-600 bucks is worth the bragging rights, then go for it.

Well, it's relatively future proof at this point, right? It was considered mid level by PCGamer, and we have the money for it now through inheritance and my dad maybe getting a new job.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on April 30, 2010, 07:47:30 pm
PCGamer called that mid-level? Huh... by their standards my computer is low-end and obsolete. Don't tell that to Crysis, though! :P

But yeah, that computer will last you a good, long time. Still, you can buy last year's tech (or even 2008 tech) and have the same assurances. You shouldn't have to spend over 1,000 bucks on system.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Cow on April 30, 2010, 07:53:22 pm
Yeah... the build was rated to play Crysis at about 70 fps. That's just ridiculous so, naturally, I need to get it.  ;D

Honestly, I didn't come here to have my mind made up, I just wanted to know if I was getting ripped off on the stuff I wanted to buy.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on April 30, 2010, 07:54:20 pm
Where are you buying from and where is the system being put together? Are you doing it or is it a package deal?

If it's a custom job that you're doing yourself, I think you can probably do better but it will require more snooping around. If it's a package deal from some large company... it's reasonable.


**EDIT**
Again, I know you didn't ask for my opinion but even an extraordinary gamer doesn't need a rig like that. It'll be a waste of money and processing power. Only suckers, researchers, and people with a massive family discount get computers like that.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Cow on May 01, 2010, 08:05:52 am
Ok, what do you recommend?

P.S. Yes I am putting it together myself, and that list is from Tiger Direct
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on May 01, 2010, 08:49:09 am
Nzxt Alpha Mid-Tower - 59.99
Ultra LSP750 750-Watt Power Supply- 79.99
Seagate 1.5 TB Hard Drive - 69.99 after rebate
LG GH22NP20 DVDRW Drive - 29.99

I like the PSU and the Hard Drive. As far as swapping things out, I'd go for a Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 ($168) (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115037), a ASUS P5Q Pro Turbo LGA 775 ($125) (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131377), some G.Skill RAM ($108) (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231122), and two Radeon HD 5770s ($340) (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150447).

That should bring you in around $980 bucks minus shipping. So maybe you'll break $1000 by the skin of your teeth. And that computer will run anything you want at whatever settings you'd prefer.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Cow on May 01, 2010, 08:54:39 am
Mmm... But would it last me as long as the other rig? I don't want to end up woefully out of date in five years.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on May 01, 2010, 09:29:18 am
If what I've heard about Intel's new chipset true (should be out in 2011 I think), it doesn't really matter what you get; however, this will suit you just fine for many years. It's basically an upgraded version of my own system which I built for the soul purpose of using for a very long time. But yeah, barring some sort of massive hardware change, it will be just what you need.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Cow on May 01, 2010, 04:04:03 pm
Well, you've convinced me to step down to the the two 5770s. Now I can get a monitor and keep the price where I had it.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on May 01, 2010, 08:01:35 pm
The 5770s in CrossfireX mode are flipping incredible. :D
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Gauphastus on May 07, 2010, 09:02:21 pm
Gonna install a single HD 5770 right now and try it out on.. Stalker or something.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on May 07, 2010, 09:02:53 pm
You're gonna have a good night. :)
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: dndfreak on May 20, 2010, 08:33:31 pm
Quick question about graphics cards... PCIe slots, is a PCIe 2.0 card compatible with an original PCIe slot or is there a difference that will stop it from sliding itself into my motherboard?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on May 20, 2010, 08:46:41 pm
Yeah, you can put a PCIe and a PCIe 2.0 card in the same slot; however, you will not get optimal bandwidth... though, 2.0 isn't really utilized all that much yet, at least as far as I know. Heck, I'm running two 2.0 cards in a 1.0 motherboard. You should have no problems at all.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: dndfreak on May 20, 2010, 08:49:16 pm
Well I looked around on the net and what I've heard is that PCIe 1.1 will work with a PCIe 2.0 card, but a 1.0 slot won't like it.

Also, if you were curious, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500144
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on May 20, 2010, 08:49:54 pm
Why not get two? :D
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: dndfreak on May 20, 2010, 09:34:29 pm
lol, I feel like I just wasted so much time... I didn't have the mobo's documentation anywhere, so I checked the card and it said PCIe 1.0, checked the mobo itself and it said PCIe 1 right on the slot.  Well, I searched MSI's site with the mobo's product number and as it turns out, they're PCIe 2.2 slots, the 1 on the mobo was just referring to slots 1, 2, or 3.  Why is it that it's the one thing in my whole machine without the specs labeled on it?  I mean, that just doesn't seem fair.

Oh also, part of the point of this card is the low power usage, a second one would kinda kill it.  Granted, I have a 400w power supply, but that's besides the point.  At full outage, that thing will only be using like 45w, which I personally think is incredible.

Also, in case you've forgotten I'm kinda living pretty much incomeless right now, and although I've got the food and roof over my head covered I really don't have a lot of leeway to spend $240 on something that I only actually need to pay $120 on.  That would pretty much wipe out all my cash.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Gauphastus on May 24, 2010, 11:06:59 pm
Just like to borrow this thread for some tech talk (I don't think we have a tech thread do we?)--

Someone just sent me this article on MSN.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/gadgets/3730941/Quantum-dot-promises-faster-PCs

So cool. I love the future.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Cow on May 30, 2010, 02:31:38 pm
So I put my computer together last night... Holy crap, this is awesome.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on May 30, 2010, 03:44:52 pm
Ah! Glad you're liking it! Hope you have many happy years with the new setup. :D
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: eropS on July 22, 2010, 04:06:49 pm
Well. I know where I am going for my laptop.

That 'rain' paint job they have is sick.

And i did not lie. Finally bought it.

I am going to be the owner of an I/O rain painted laptop w/ 4gigs of RAM in about ~3 weeks! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on July 22, 2010, 07:00:10 pm
NICE! Post pics.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: smurfslayer on August 11, 2010, 03:48:02 pm
So I'm looking to replace my quite dated desktop with a new laptop. I'm trying to settle on one of these and I'd love any input you guys have:

http://www.buy.com/prod/acer-aspire-7741g-3647-17-3-notebook-intel-core-i5-450m-2-4ghz-4gb/q/loc/101/216465752.html
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834101230&nm_mc=OTC-C173T&cm_mmc=OTC-C173T-_-Notebooks-_-Gateway-_-34101230
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834115792&nm_mc=OTC-C173T&cm_mmc=OTC-C173T-_-Notebooks-_-Acer+America-_-34115792
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834115793
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834115795

Any other suggestions are welcome as well. I need it to fit the following criteria: 500+ GB HDD, powerful dedicated video card, preferably a 16+" screen, Windows 7 64-bit, and under $800.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on August 11, 2010, 06:21:34 pm
I like this one (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834115792&nm_mc=OTC-C173T&cm_mmc=OTC-C173T-_-Notebooks-_-Acer+America-_-34115792). It's got good speeds and will be able to play the games you want to play. Plus the screen is nice.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on November 13, 2010, 11:38:36 am
(http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/4897/computerawesome.jpg)

That's how you do it.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Clarke on November 13, 2010, 11:39:59 am
Holy crap patman. :D

Is that yours?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: eropS on November 13, 2010, 11:42:22 am
That actually looks so easy maintain
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on November 13, 2010, 12:24:55 pm
Holy crap patman. :D

Is that yours?

Nah. At least not yet.

And yeah, what erops said. It looks spectacularly easy to maintain. Dust would never be a problem! All I'd really worry about is particulate matter somehow landing on parts of it. Maybe set up some sort of shield. And cooling is really simple with this. It's a great design. The only problem part I foresee is finding PCIe extenders. But the Internet should make that fairly easy.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on November 15, 2010, 09:35:55 am
I need the help of folks with young children or younger siblings. My sister wants me to put together a cheap netbook for her oldest son (he's six) so that he can mess around on the Internet and play his games and whatnot without tying up the family computer. As far as finding a suitable system, I've got that covered; however, I don't really have any experience child-proofing a computer. I don't have any kids, no younger siblings, and when I was his age the Internet didn't exist... so I'm kind of firing in the dark here.

Does anyone have some wisdom they'd like to share with me? Are there any good programs that will allow me to set up a whitelist of sites he can visit while blacklisting everything else? Or am I going about this the wrong way? What kind of software is out there to help me child-proof a computer and what mindset should I be going in with this to offer him the best and most-safe experience possible?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Cow on November 18, 2010, 06:58:36 pm
There are child specific web browsers you could get for him... I'm not sure about the quality of these, but a quick Google search yields a few: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=kid+safe+web+browsers (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=kid+safe+web+browsers)
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on November 18, 2010, 07:41:52 pm
Well, I need opinions from people with experience, not just a Google search.

Either way, Reddit helped me out. I'm going to go with OpenDNS.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Tesla on November 18, 2010, 11:21:45 pm
Just as long as you don't use a program like Netnanny. My mom set it up on every computer in te house a few years ago. It was horrible. It slowed them down a lot, and it's method for detecting porn sites just tagged every other YouTube video.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Kishmond on December 25, 2010, 11:03:01 am
I have up to $200 to spend on a new CPU to replace my failing AMD Phenom II X4 920 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_Phenom_microprocessors#Phenom_II_series).

Any suggestions? My motherboard can support AM3 sockets. I was also wondering if the Turbo Core stuff makes any difference.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on December 25, 2010, 11:07:24 am
The AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103727) is rated very well!
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Kishmond on December 25, 2010, 04:58:45 pm
That seems like a good balance between price and power.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Kishmond on December 31, 2010, 01:19:01 pm
So it turns out the processor wasn't the problem.

The only thing it could possibly be now is the motherboard...
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on January 01, 2011, 08:10:39 pm
Bleh, I guess that's my fault for not asking you to specify what you meant by "failing processor".

Still, goddamn idiot caller. >:(
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Kishmond on January 02, 2011, 02:01:25 pm
The fault is all mine. I temporarily replaced my old (quad) CPU with my sibling's (dual) CPU and the crashes stopped. Thus I assumed it was the CPU. I now have a new relatively cheap motherboard and new RAM so it's all good.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Kaizer on March 29, 2011, 03:21:30 pm
since I have no clue what is wrong with my old pc I'm just looking into a new one, I'm not actually sure what's a good baseline for a gaming pc these days (since my old one is 7 years old), so i figured I'd let you guys tell me how terrible my choices were

PROCESSOR & GRAPHICS CARD   AMD Athlon™ II X4 640 + ATI Radeon HD 4200
MEMORY   6GB Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1333MHz - 4 DIMMS
HARD DRIVE   500GB - 7200RPM, SATA 3.0Gb/s, 16MB Cache
SOUND CARD   THX® TruStudio PC™


the total price for the tower is $600
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on March 29, 2011, 04:31:25 pm
How much are you looking to spend and what do you want to play? That system looks decent enough, especially if you're coming off of seven year old hardware.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Brandonazz on March 29, 2011, 04:32:44 pm
Computer building guide. (http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af150/The_FalconO6/CurrentLogicalPCBuyingGuide/Guide.png)
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on March 29, 2011, 04:35:36 pm
Computer building guide. (http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af150/The_FalconO6/CurrentLogicalPCBuyingGuide/Guide.png)

Do yourself a favor and talk to a human that knows the hardware industry instead. ;)

I've seen that chart before and it's cool as a reference, but you shouldn't trust it with your money in the end.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Kaizer on March 29, 2011, 04:36:25 pm
I'm trying to spend the least amount of money possible and I'm going to be using it for games ranging from portal 2, mass effect 2, dow 2, WoW, etc etc


I don't mind if the games cant be run at max settings as long as they are efficient at medium-high, ultra is just a plus


link was tl;dr
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on March 29, 2011, 04:43:14 pm
In that case, I'd consider spending a little bit more money and getting a Radeon HD5770 (I use two). It's a superb mid-range card that operates on-par with high-range hardware. It's DX11 compliant and can kill pretty much anything. Plus, it's under $150 bucks (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&Description=hd5770&bop=And&Order=PRICE&PageSize=20)!
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Cow on April 30, 2011, 03:31:52 pm
In that case, I'd consider spending a little bit more money and getting a Radeon HD5770 (I use two). It's a superb mid-range card that operates on-par with high-range hardware. It's DX11 compliant and can kill pretty much anything. Plus, it's under $150 bucks (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&Description=hd5770&bop=And&Order=PRICE&PageSize=20)!

I love that card. I don't love games that are poorly optimized. *Shakes fist at GTAIV*

Still, max settings, eminently playable all of the time.  8)
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Clayface on May 01, 2011, 02:26:51 am
I suggest using Newegg.com for buying parts as it is the best website ever
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Cow on May 07, 2011, 08:00:44 pm
In that case, I'd consider spending a little bit more money and getting a Radeon HD5770 (I use two). It's a superb mid-range card that operates on-par with high-range hardware. It's DX11 compliant and can kill pretty much anything. Plus, it's under $150 bucks (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&Description=hd5770&bop=And&Order=PRICE&PageSize=20)!

I love that card. I don't love games that are poorly optimized. *Shakes fist at GTAIV*

Still, max settings, eminently playable all of the time.  8)

Well, summers rolling around again, and as my brother was playing APB Reloaded we had a bit of an overheating issue and the computer shut itself off because I had the cards literally right on top of each other. So, it looks like I've been pared down to one card. *shakefist*
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: LadyM on May 09, 2011, 07:37:52 am
The AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103727) is rated very well!

That's what's in the beast and it does great.

Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: munchkin5 on May 13, 2011, 09:47:58 am
I need a new computer, i know what i want in it, but I need a good place to buy it from (in the u.k), any suggestions?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on May 21, 2011, 11:05:04 am
I'm pretty sure TigetDirect ships to the UK. They're pretty good for getting you a good deal and they have just about everything Newegg has.

Also, to go off of what Cow said earlier... yeah, the problem nowadays isn't so much that the hardware isn't good enough. The problem is that developers aren't optimizing their software properly. There is NO reason why I can't max out GTA IV, it's just poor optimization.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Gorman Conall on July 03, 2011, 05:43:07 pm
I often see PC gamers in an argument bark off how gaming PCs are no where near as expensive as people claim, you can build them cheap if you know what your doing blah blah blah.

Any PC buffs wanna come and back up that claim? I'm looking to get two new gaming PCs, one for me one for Serenity, (they should be the exact same) so obviously, since there is two they have to be..cheap?

I used to build pcs for my friends and relatives..but now everything's gibberish to me, I was looking at Cyber power PC to build one because I can make payments there. And I don't understand anything anymore.

Can anyone show me anything good? for no more then lets say..500$? and being able to make payments would be a plus. I would need to be able to run the good PC games that are not available for the 360.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on July 12, 2011, 07:23:06 am
Sorry for the delay. Been in Charleston for the last week or so.

Just to get on your first point, it is correct that a good PC doesn't cost more than a thousand dollars. The problem occurs when you add the word "gaming" to your searches. That's the codeword that tells manufacturers that you're ready to be ripped off. There's no such thing as a gaming PC, there is just the PC. And you can run games (good games) on a relatively inexpensive PC.

I can put a small package together for you with some hardware options and have it to you maybe by tomorrow (my girlfriend is coming up today so time will be in short supply for a bit). And if by chance I forget, shoot me a PM telling me to get my ass in gear, Gorman. :D

One thing I need is your budget. Is five hundred the max? If you went up to seven hundred you could get something MUCH better; however, I understand if money is tight and I can work with five.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Gorman Conall on July 12, 2011, 11:12:22 am
Sorry for the delay. Been in Charleston for the last week or so.

Just to get on your first point, it is correct that a good PC doesn't cost more than a thousand dollars. The problem occurs when you add the word "gaming" to your searches. That's the codeword that tells manufacturers that you're ready to be ripped off. There's no such thing as a gaming PC, there is just the PC. And you can run games (good games) on a relatively inexpensive PC.

I can put a small package together for you with some hardware options and have it to you maybe by tomorrow (my girlfriend is coming up today so time will be in short supply for a bit). And if by chance I forget, shoot me a PM telling me to get my ass in gear, Gorman. :D

One thing I need is your budget. Is five hundred the max? If you went up to seven hundred you could get something MUCH better; however, I understand if money is tight and I can work with five.

700$ would be acceptable if its from a place I can make payments too, don't be in to much of a hurry, it may be a month or so before I can actually order it. Regardless I really appreciate the help.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on July 13, 2011, 11:03:59 pm
Alrighty, thanks for the info. I'll see what I can do for you. :)
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: GroxGlitch on July 14, 2011, 12:43:48 pm
Hey guys, I'm looking at a computer from Best Buy and wanted a second opinion before I throw myself at wanting it (The deal is I get a new computer for my birthday, and I want a good computer that can run games without lag, not necessarily at their max levels.)
Here are the stats:
Dell Inspiron desktop computer:
AMD Athlon II X2 Processor
ATI Radeon HD 4200 Graphics Card
4gb memory
500gb hard drive
Price: $369.99 (without the monitor, so add approximately $50, and a two year protection plan is $70 so add that in too)

Does that look worth the money? The Dualcore processor, Radeon graphics card, nice hard drive size, and of course rather low price are all good to me (looking at Dell's computers, they were all about $800+, and didn't have a decent graphics card or anything. Of course, they were laptops, sence the desktop link took me to Alienware, which isn't happening at about $1200!)
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on July 14, 2011, 07:51:29 pm
What would you say is the most-taxing game you would play on this system?

It'll run most games, but you might encounter some lag issues with newer ones. And it'll be obsolete much-more quickly. It may be worth your while to keep saving until you can get something better.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: eropS on July 14, 2011, 08:43:34 pm
Hey guys, I'm looking at a computer from Best Buy and wanted a second opinion before I throw myself at wanting it (The deal is I get a new computer for my birthday, and I want a good computer that can run games without lag, not necessarily at their max levels.)
Here are the stats:
Dell Inspiron desktop computer:
AMD Athlon II X2 Processor
ATI Radeon HD 4200 Graphics Card
4gb memory
500gb hard drive
Price: $369.99 (without the monitor, so add approximately $50, and a two year protection plan is $70 so add that in too)

Does that look worth the money? The Dualcore processor, Radeon graphics card, nice hard drive size, and of course rather low price are all good to me (looking at Dell's computers, they were all about $800+, and didn't have a decent graphics card or anything. Of course, they were laptops, sence the desktop link took me to Alienware, which isn't happening at about $1200!)

Eh... What kind of hard drive is it?

And I agree with Pat in that you should pocket that money and save to get something better later. AMD and ATI aren't necessarily bad, though I personally find them to be inferior to Intel and Nvidia.

Newegg.com actually has a lot of summer sales blazin right now if you are a part of their newsletter/email (which is free to sign up for, and i recommend you do, got me a GTX4600 for 99$ and a bunch of other great deals that led to me building a new computer in June). I suggest that you maybe peruse that site to see if you find and desktops you may like there, too.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: munchkin5 on July 16, 2011, 06:27:59 am
I've got an ATI/AMD computer at the moment, and it's better than any NVidia/Intel computer I've ever had, also, if you're running games, get a dedicated graphics card.

As other people have said, you'll have to spend a bit more to get a computer that'll run games into the future. Shop around the market for places that'll do custom builds, (or build it yourself if you're feeling confident, though i don't recommend it), they're usually cheaper. Just make sure the warranty they offer is decent.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Yetsuo on November 19, 2011, 11:36:46 pm
Could someone link me to the program you guys use to get world maps please.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Kaizer on November 22, 2011, 08:52:57 am
Been looking at a computer again

so far I have

http://www.walmart.com/ip/CyberPower-1TB-GXi250/16672337?ci_sku=16672337&ci_src=14110944&sourceid=1500000000000003142050

does it get pats seal of approval?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Oviraptor on November 22, 2011, 09:31:40 am
That computer should work fine.

Things to note, however:

The NVIDIA GeForce GT 520 is the lowest end Direct 11 video card they offer, so you probably won't be playing on max settings. Also, it never mentions the power supply wattage anywhere, so it's probably not very big. It should be fine for the card that's in it, but if you ever want to upgrade the video card, you'll probably need to upgrade the PSU as well.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on November 22, 2011, 10:00:55 am
Considering your current setup this looks as if it should be fine.

What do you plan on using this for? Any particular games you had in mind? The Cyberpower line of computers is a decent affordable line of gaming systems. You're not going to get massive power but you will be able to get most games to play reasonably well.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Kaizer on November 22, 2011, 10:04:57 am
stuff like WoW/rift/dawn of war/red alert 3/monday night combat

maybe skyrim
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on November 22, 2011, 10:06:42 am
You should be fine. Just don't expect to get Skyrim at max.

*thumbs up*
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Brutus on December 29, 2011, 12:24:11 pm
Heya everyone. Over Christmas a few friends of mine were kind-hearted enough to gift me some games over steam. It's probably time to replace my laptop and I have a budget of about £450 ($700), at most I could maybe get £550 ($850).

I was just wondering if I could get some advice on getting the most out of my budget for a laptop, I'm not really sure where to start and everyone keeps saying to me that a little knowledge can make you'r money go alot farther. I'm aiming to be able to handle games like Skyrim and Portal 2 comfortably. Maybe even scrape Mafia II in (to be honest I have no idea how aspirational I'm being here, maybe I'm dreaming).

Thanks in advance guys.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on December 30, 2011, 11:52:54 am
Hey Brutus! Haven't seen you in a while.

I'm a bit busy at the moment but I'd be happy to sit down with you (possibly later today or whenever) and look through some options for you. I'll try to put something together tonight and PM it to you.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Brutus on December 30, 2011, 12:18:28 pm
Yep I have returned 8)
Thanks Pat, That'd be great. This is a lot of money for me to put together and the help would be massively appreciated.
Thanks again.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Doctor Z on December 30, 2011, 12:19:03 pm
I have a bit higher budget (about 1500 CND, though I can go higher), but I want a laptop that can also run Skyrim and Crusader Kings 2, plus a bit of longevity (i.e. able to play games coming out the next few years comfortably [preferably at high quality :P])

Any help for me too?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: GroxGlitch on December 30, 2011, 08:20:39 pm
I'm no computer expert on that kinda thing but I'd say screw the laptop, get a tower. Laptop's are usually closed units; you can't upgrade, meaning you're stuck with your current hardware (meaning getting longevity is not likely) While tower computers can be more on the expensive side, you've always got the ability to upgrade provided you can be patient enough. And if you go to upgrade your hardware, you can always either
A) Keep the lesser part as a backup
B)Sell it off to someone else who could use it for fun and profit. More the latter than the former, but still.
My two cents, however Pat should/would be able to give you the low-down on the more detailed odds and ends.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Doctor Z on December 30, 2011, 08:25:53 pm
No. I will not get a tower, my brother shuts off my wireless connection to the router on occasion and the only way I can fix it is to bring my computer downstairs and directly connect. And I want the portability.

Tower is out of the question.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: /lurk on December 30, 2011, 08:52:15 pm
But Doc, you already have a laptop. Just use that when the router's off.

If you really want a laptop that'll run skyrim and pals easily for a decent price, I'd suggest taking a trip to 2016. Make sure to bring me back some lottery numbers when you go.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Doctor Z on December 30, 2011, 09:01:38 pm
Longevity isn't -required-, but if it's a possibility at all, yay for me. *shrug* I can buy a tower when I move out, I need a laptop now because I'll only have it. The one I'm using now is not actually mine.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Kaizer on January 28, 2012, 06:23:26 am
ok I finally have a job and a decent income coming in

I want to build my own computer now, so if you guys can list some good parts I should get, I wanna play skyrim on stupidly high ultra
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on January 28, 2012, 10:47:59 am
Come back in a few months when you've got the money saved up. :D
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Person21 on February 07, 2012, 07:53:36 am
With my old PC dead I've decided to try my hand at building my new one
Any hints for what to get with a max budget of around £900, and what are good places to buy parts in the UK?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: eropS on February 07, 2012, 10:23:23 am
Holy **** for 900 pounds you will have the most godly computer ever. You sure you want to spend that much? You could probably get something 'damn good' for about 200 less....
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on February 07, 2012, 11:32:23 am
Yeah but he wants to spend 900 so let's not stifle creativity. :D

I like Intel so go for an Core i7. Also I feel a bit burned after switching to ATI with my last revision and have no plans on getting ATI equipment again, so I'd also recommend going with Nvidia. Look into a GTX 580 or 590. Heck, even a 570 will do you well.

Six gigs of RAM should work fine. Pick up a nice sound card and look into some aftermarket cooling - do not water cool, it's not worth it anymore.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Person21 on February 07, 2012, 04:43:42 pm
Also I feel a bit burned after switching to ATI with my last revision and have no plans on getting ATI equipment again, so I'd also recommend going with Nvidia. Look into a GTX 580 or 590. Heck, even a 570 will do you well.

What exactly was the problem with the ATI? That was the way I had been leaning.

EDIT: And is there any point in getting anything more than quad-core right now?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on February 07, 2012, 07:08:48 pm
Truth be told, there's barely any point in getting a quad-core. Nothing really uses it. But they're cheap nowadays so there's no reason not to. :P

As far as ATI goes, I've had a lot of issues with CrossfireX. A fair number of games do not support it and they don't tell you they don't support it. So you find out when you boot the game and your system locks and has to be hard booted. As well, while Nvidia's PhysX tech may have been a gimmick a few years ago, it's the real deal now. The games that support it look spectacular and you cannot utilize the features with an ATI card.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Person21 on February 07, 2012, 07:21:06 pm
As far as ATI goes, I've had a lot of issues with CrossfireX.

Ah. I was hoping that they would have had improved that
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on February 07, 2012, 07:40:15 pm
Don't get me wrong though! When it works it's great.

But when it doesn't work it's a real hassle. :(
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Person21 on February 07, 2012, 08:38:38 pm
And by the way, you recommended I get aftermarket cooling, how much should I spend on it? I assume a decent fan+heatsink wouldn't be that much but I thought I'd ask.

EDIT: I know you recommended I get a GTX, but what does everyone here think of the Radeon HD 6970? It's quite a bit cheaper than the GTX Series and doesn't seem to under-perform it by too much.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on February 07, 2012, 10:35:27 pm
If you're comparing the Nvidia card to the HD 6970 it really comes down to how badly you want PhysX.

Also a good aftermarket cooler can be picked up for around 40 USD.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Person21 on February 08, 2012, 01:05:08 pm
How does this look? (http://www.amazon.co.uk/registry/wishlist/1I68VXXS90BIT/) (I'm mostly just asking in-case I've done something stupid like put together two thinks which aren't compatible) It should fit in my current case, but it's looking like I'll have to get a HDD as well. Might downgrade the graphics card to one of the lower GTXs if that's too costly (£900 was my upper limit, not my target and I probably did do a bit over board on the card)
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on February 08, 2012, 01:27:45 pm
Everything looks good and compatible.

Just make sure you can fit that video card in your case and you're set. Might want to consider another two gigs of RAM sometime down the line, as well.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Person21 on February 08, 2012, 01:30:35 pm
Thanks for the help pat.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on February 08, 2012, 01:49:05 pm
My pleasure! Let me know if you need anything else.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Person21 on February 08, 2012, 01:54:12 pm
Let me know if you need anything else.
>_>
Ok
Know of a good 1TB HDD?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on February 08, 2012, 02:01:44 pm
Seagate or Western Digital are fine. It'll usually run you about 100 USD for something decent.

Just make sure to get something with at least 7200 RPMs.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Didero on April 11, 2012, 08:11:53 am
My GeForce 9800 GT is slowly dying. I'd like to replace it with something similar, but my budget is pretty tight at the moment. I can't really spend more than €50 on a new card. I've already looked around a bit, but I'd like the advice of people here too.

I don't really need anything much more powerful than my old 9800 GT, since my monitor is only 1280x1024 and I'm on Windows XP. But if my budget allows, then why not more power? :)

Most places seem to recommend a GeForce GTS 250 as a good budget gaming card, and I've been able to find one online, second-hand, for about €45. I don't know anything about ATI/AMD's offerings though, and its naming system is even more obtuse than Nvidia's. Halp?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on April 11, 2012, 09:53:20 am
In an ATI flavor you may want to look into the Radeon HD 5770 or the upgraded Radeon HD 6770.

I use two 5770 cards.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Didero on April 11, 2012, 10:40:23 am
Is there any good reason to go with ATI over Nvidia, or vice versa?
And to choose the 5770 over the 250 or not?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on April 11, 2012, 11:06:13 am
I'd go with Nvidia. This build was the first time I tried something other than Nvidia and I am thoroughly disappointed.

Nvidia's PhysX has become very attractive and I wish I had it.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Didero on April 11, 2012, 11:52:50 am
All right, I also have a preference for Nvidia, but I haven't used an ATI card for a long time, so it's probably just marketing getting a hold of me :P
I'll keep looking at affordable Nvidia cards then. Thanks for your help.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Bona Fide Supraman on October 13, 2012, 03:27:24 am
Hi guys, was wondering if I could get some advice.

I'm looking at treating my PC (running windows Vista) to a nice upgrade.

I was thinking of getting 8 when it comes out, but also sticking in an SSD for the OS and programmes to run off, and then use my current HDD's just to store media.

I was wondering if somebody could advise me on which drives to choose.

Is compatibility an issue?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Tesla on October 13, 2012, 04:19:42 am
I don't know about drives, but don't get 8. Seriously. All it does is detract from the GUI of 7.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on October 13, 2012, 09:46:38 am
There won't be any compatibility issues that I am aware of. And there's no problem switching to Windows 8, but make sure you get some time with it before you buy. It's definitely different and you want to be sure you'll like it. If you've done this already, great! But yeah, nothing wrong with 8.

RockPaperShotgun released this article (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/04/30/which-ssd/) which gives a good rundown on how to shop for SSDs and what to look for and is what I've used as my reference. I took their recommendation on the Samsung 830 (http://www.samsung.com/us/computer/memory-storage/MZ-7PC128N/AM) for a few builds I did for friends and they have had no issues. Their installs were also like yours, with the OS on the SSD and not much else. As well, the Samsung is touted to have superb longevity, which is what I usually shop for.

Otherwise just shop around and find the best price. Installation won't be much of an issue but you may want to check your motherboard's specs to determine if they are in need of an upgrade. For instance if your current motherboard is SATA II and you could make the numbers work to get the new SSD with a SATA III motherboard... that'd be a vast improvement.

Should be enough food for thought! Let us know if there's anything else. We're happy to help! :D
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Oviraptor on October 13, 2012, 04:12:32 pm
Also, never, ever defragment an SSD. Ever.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Slinky on October 14, 2012, 02:05:32 pm
Not sure if anyone's seen this, but:

http://www.raspberrypi.org/ (http://www.raspberrypi.org/)
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Tesla on October 14, 2012, 02:20:13 pm
Everyone in the world ever has seen it. Ever.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Slinky on October 14, 2012, 02:21:36 pm
Kay, never mind then.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Tesla on October 14, 2012, 03:03:32 pm
:)
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Kitkat on October 14, 2012, 05:01:02 pm
I have one :P
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Bona Fide Supraman on October 18, 2012, 06:22:39 am
Also, never, ever defragment an SSD. Ever.

Why is that? What happens?

There won't be any compatibility issues that I am aware of. And there's no problem switching to Windows 8, but make sure you get some time with it before you buy. It's definitely different and you want to be sure you'll like it. If you've done this already, great! But yeah, nothing wrong with 8.

RockPaperShotgun released this article (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/04/30/which-ssd/) which gives a good rundown on how to shop for SSDs and what to look for and is what I've used as my reference. I took their recommendation on the Samsung 830 (http://www.samsung.com/us/computer/memory-storage/MZ-7PC128N/AM) for a few builds I did for friends and they have had no issues. Their installs were also like yours, with the OS on the SSD and not much else. As well, the Samsung is touted to have superb longevity, which is what I usually shop for.

Otherwise just shop around and find the best price. Installation won't be much of an issue but you may want to check your motherboard's specs to determine if they are in need of an upgrade. For instance if your current motherboard is SATA II and you could make the numbers work to get the new SSD with a SATA III motherboard... that'd be a vast improvement.

Should be enough food for thought! Let us know if there's anything else. We're happy to help! :D

Thanks Patman! Not the first time you've helped me out!
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Didero on October 18, 2012, 07:30:17 am
Also, never, ever defragment an SSD. Ever.

Why is that? What happens?

SSDs work very differently from HDDs. If I recall correctly, SSDs get automatically 'defragmented' when stuff is written to them. Plus, they have a maximum number of times you can read from and write to them, and defragmenting really cuts into that amount.
So it's not necessary and damaging to defragment an SSD.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on October 18, 2012, 06:52:38 pm
Good site to check out if you're into computer hardware stuff!

Tek Syndicate (http://teksyndicate.com/)
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on November 01, 2012, 04:11:23 pm
Anyone interested in getting their Windows 7 installation running at optimal levels should check out this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhzwIp8njV0

Tek Syndicate continues to produce really good stuff!
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on November 20, 2012, 09:11:31 pm
Are you guys watching Tek Syndicate yet? Come on!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lv60r_cS8kw

The updated $350 build video is out and an updated $500 dollar build is on the way.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on December 01, 2012, 02:42:38 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wnEcF9FoTE

$550 gaming PC build to accompany the $350 video posted previously. Also, this next video is about building an ultra cheap system around $250.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NoONgFEUo8
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Didero on December 02, 2012, 03:42:16 am
Wait, for the cheap gaming rigs, he suggests not buying a video card and just using the on-board graphics card of the AMD processor. Have those advanced that much?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Gec on December 02, 2012, 09:51:25 am
A lot of the newer Macs use on-board graphics processors, and they work amazingly well. So I think the same can be said for PCs.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on December 02, 2012, 03:45:21 pm
Correct.

On board graphics chips are not what they used to be ten or even five years ago. Some of them are pretty solid. If you can, I'd get a dedicated card, but for budget builds or size-constrained builds the integrated stuff is a worthy consideration.

One of the reasons I'm so glad to live in this time period. On board graphics are actually good. @_@
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Didero on December 03, 2012, 01:59:49 am
Huh, I didn't know that.
I'll stick to an actual graphics card for the foreseeable future, but it's useful to keep in mind. Thanks!
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on December 03, 2012, 08:57:50 am
Beware cheap power supplies!! (http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story&reid=324)


**EDIT**
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8Ga_26h1MU
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Rysworld on February 07, 2013, 04:43:34 pm
Hey guys!

I'm building a new computer! I do not know much about this, so I'm hoping some of you are experienced in this sort of thing and able to point me in the right direction when it comes to not screwing up.

As it is I have a budget of $1100 with a probable leeway of about $70, which must also buy peripherals. I have, so far, used the falconguide as a rough tool for my purchases, but I am sure there are better ways to go about this sort of thing. I am new to this and would like to waste as little money as possible.

So... help?

The following is my current build. You don't have to look at all or any of those, not by a longshot, I'm just looking for general advice but if you suspect me of making a beginner's mistake with buying one of them... please check it and tell me. $1076 total, not including the OS- which I am also unsure of. I've heard Windows 8 is rather crap for anyone wanting to game on it. Is this true?

Case (Corsair 300R):  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139016 - $100

CPU: (AMD FX-6300) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113286&T - $140

GPU (GTX 660): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125443 - $234

HDD (Seagate Barracuda 500GB): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148840 - $80

SSD (32GB Premier Pro): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211717 - $40

RAM (Ripjaws Series 8GB): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231314 - $50

Motherboard (GIGABYTE GA-Z77X-UD3H): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128514&T - $148

Monitor (Acer 21.5"): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236052 - $130

Mouse (CM Storm Xornet): http://www.amazon.com/CM-Storm-Xornet-Switches-SGM-2001-BLON1/dp/B005TEPB74/ref=sr_1_5?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1360282224&sr=1-5 - $29

Keyboard (Microsoft SIDEWINDER X4): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823109191 - $61
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: eropS on February 07, 2013, 05:04:00 pm
Again, you need to change the mobo or cpu as they aren't compatible.

LGA 1155 is an intel pin set and you have an AMD CPU. The motherboard won't take it. That was the only thing I really checked beyond the RAM as those are the two most common rookie errors.

Also some personal preference advice.

Skip out on the 1TB HDD, seems cool but you'll never realistically use it. Get something with 512 or 256 and then pick up a 64 Solid State Drive (SSD) or something. The loading speed difference is measurable.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Rysworld on February 07, 2013, 05:18:48 pm
Alright, I've changed things around. SSDs are typically used to boot the OS quickly as well as games, right?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on February 07, 2013, 05:20:07 pm
I've got a hockey game on at the moment but I'll swing by afterwards to help out.

As far as the SSDs go, don't put your games on them. You will see some difference but given the price per gig on SSDs, it's a waste. At least until the technology gets better (or you win the lottery) keep your games on a HDD.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: eropS on February 07, 2013, 05:49:31 pm
Eh, there is a video floating around with an SSD and HDD loading Skyrim and the SSD wins by about 10 or so seconds. Sure it's 10 seconds but that adds up in some way over time. It is up to you though, but I'd rotate games on it depending on how much space you have and what you currently are playing as a way to conserve space.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on February 07, 2013, 06:38:27 pm
It will definitely load faster. But SSD space is a hot commodity and if you're going to be installing your OS on it (remember, 64 bit Windows 7 and 8 is 20gigs) there won't be much space left for games. And that's just the price of entry. As you install system updates and other non-gaming software that space is going to dwindle quickly. His drive is only 32gigs.

Anyway, this game is going into garbage time so gimmie a few to look this over.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on February 07, 2013, 07:18:44 pm
Alrighty it doesn't look too bad. Everything is compatible this time around and the system should play just about whatever you want! :D

Now, you've got a video card capable of PCI-e 3.0 x16, but your board maxes out at PCI-e 2.0 x16. This isn't a major issue; however, you'll be unable to fully utilize that video card's capabilities. Additionally the hard drive is good, but if you're using it in conjunction with a solid state drive, you will want a faster HDD. Yours is 5900rpm, you will want to look at the 7200rpm drives, since they will still keep your costs down. There are faster HDDs out there but the prices get pretty high, pretty fast.

AMD screwed the pooch here on this one because there are no AMD motherboards that support PCI-e 3.0. So there's that. If you want to retool this setup based on that, that's fine. We can put something together for you. If not, it's not the end of the world but you may want to consider getting a less-powerful video card to save some money.

I looked up a drive for you: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148840

It is currently on sale and costs 20 bucks more than your other one, has twice the capacity, and is 7200rpm. If this one violates your pricing, use it as a guide to choose another. :D
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Rysworld on February 07, 2013, 07:56:00 pm
Thanks for the hard drive! Very useful.

What about this motherboard? (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157293) It's slightly cheaper than my current one and has PCIe 3.0 x16 slots, AND seems to have similar specs, thought I'm not terribly good at deciphering that.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: eropS on February 07, 2013, 08:01:34 pm
It's still an LGA 1155 pin set. You should look into the intel i5/i7 CPUs if you want to use those motherboards.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Rysworld on February 07, 2013, 08:39:50 pm
Oh yeah, huh.

And looks like I forgot the power supply too, like a dumbass.

I think I shall have to use this CPU. (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116782)

Which brings me to $1080 with this power supply (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371030).

Leaving me, with $60 leeway from my $1100 dollar budget, $80 dollars to buy Windows 7.

Which is not enough.

Grr. I shall have to cheapen my peripherals, I think.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on February 07, 2013, 08:41:37 pm
Indeed. Any A3+ motherboard (which would accommodate your processor) will lack PCI-e 3.0, sadly. :(

The most logical choices would be to either get a PCI-e 2.0 video card (which would be less powerful) or find a different CPU. I'd go for the CPU, since you can find an equivalent pretty easily.

But look... if I were building this for myself I'd scrap the whole notion of PCI-e 3.0 because it isn't even that useful in practice. We are just now scraping the surface of multi-core rendering and computing in gaming applications and as far as I know PCI-e 3 isn't going to give you any benefits. I'd look into this processor (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116782) with this motherboard (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157265). You'll notice that lots of video cards advertise being PCI 3 "ready", which is advertising terms for "pay more for this feature we don't know how to use yet!"


Hey how about that, you picked the same CPU as me. You must have a knack for this. :D


**EDIT**
I should add that the reason I picked this motherboard over the one erops recommended (went back and forth on them for a while) is because this one has the 2.0 slot, and it's always nice to have a legacy slot. Plus extra PCI-e slot! :D
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on February 07, 2013, 08:49:44 pm
Just for laughs, I want to start over from the beginning because this is getting messy and it's late. (which means I'll come back to this tomorrow :P)

Ry, what is your budget and what programs do you expect to run on this system?

**EDIT**
ALSO! If you want more people in on this, ask over at buildapc on reddit. http://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc

They are great!
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Rysworld on February 07, 2013, 09:21:58 pm
My budget is absolutely maximum $1140.

I simply want a decent gaming PC. I'm starting to wonder whether an SSD is absolutely necessary, if the only point is to decrease OS load time then it's not particularly needed for me.

As an update, without the SSD and with the OS, this is $1106:

Case (Rosewill CHALLENGER): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139016 - $50

Power Supply (Antec 520W): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371030 - $59

OS (Windows 7 Home Premium): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986 - $100

CPU (Intel i5 3.2 GHz): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116782 - $180

GPU (GTX 660) : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125443 - $234

HDD (Seagate Barracuda 1TB): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148840 - $80

RAM (Ripjaws Series 8GB): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231314 - $50

Motherboard (GIGABYTE GA-Z77X-UD3H): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157265 - $140

Monitor (Acer 21.5"): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009316 - $130

Mouse (CM Storm Xornet): http://www.amazon.com/CM-Storm-Xornet-Switches-SGM-2001-BLON1/dp/B005TEPB74/ref=sr_1_5?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1360282224&sr=1-5 - $22

Keyboard (Microsoft SIDEWINDER X4): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823109191 - $61


And seriously guys, thanks for all your help. Y'all're the best.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on February 07, 2013, 09:26:53 pm
SSD is NOT necessary. It's a luxury at this point.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: eropS on February 07, 2013, 09:36:30 pm
If you want to cut cost without sacrificing performance you could go lower on HDD space and GPU. A mid-range modern GPU will get you high enough on most games and save you 100$. I also don't think 8 GB of RAM is necessary since I don't know of anything that would even be able to make use of so much memory unless you plan on running it as a server, too. I honestly think the SSD is worth it, just don't put your OS on it if game load times are more important to you than start up times. (Which I think they are...) 2:30 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yMS5Hb4dv8) is when the Skyrim comes on. Their HDD is a 5200 though so the 7200 will be somewhere between the two.

Are you in a particular hurry to buy all these items? Newegg has regular sales and most of these items (or comparable items) will be on sale eventually if you want to save more money. But I understand if the money is burning a hole in your pocket for something cool, I've been there for sure.

Also, you have your case listed at 50 when it's actually 90, see if you can't find a comparable case that has free shipping or something included; and your selected GPU has a 20$ rebate so it's more like 210. You might want to look into getting a third party heat sink/fan for your CPU since if you plan on playing games the stock ones will run a little hotter than you might like.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Rysworld on February 07, 2013, 09:56:38 pm
Also, you have your case listed at 50 when it's actually 90

That is just because I am stupid and didn't put this case (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147153) in there.


As for the HDD, well, ten extra dollars for 500 GB is easily worth it. And I've filled up 500 GB within a half year before, so it's not like it'll be totally wasted space.

I think you're right about the RAM, I just sort of followed the guide and didn't look to hard at that one, but I've never heard of any game requiring anything more than 4 GB.

So I think this (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231277) should suffice.

Bringing me down to $1088, meaning I could afford the SSD (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211717) now. And, if I can, I would like it. I just don't think it's necessary if I can't afford it.

So that brings me up to a total of $1028 if I'm going for the SSD.

Perfectly within acceptable bounds.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Rysworld on February 07, 2013, 11:08:27 pm
Alright, everything's bought you guys.

You have been enormous helps.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on February 08, 2013, 07:51:54 am
Y-you just went and bought everything like that? After your first build was riddled with errors and mistakes?? >_>

Okay. Well I'm still going to give it all a once-over just in case. In the future this isn't something you should rush into, Ry. System specs need to be checked, rechecked, and checked again to ensure balance and stability.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: eropS on February 08, 2013, 08:06:27 am
Just watch yourself when youre putting it together. Make sure you touch and something metal before you touch any pieces, a static shock can really screw you.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on February 08, 2013, 08:44:09 am
Okay, your system looks alright. I'm sure it can be optimized and the price could have been reduced a bit but it's a bit late for that now. One thing you neglected to buy were fans. You only have one dedicated exhaust fan (that comes with the case) and no dedicated intake fans. Consider looking into that ASAP and talk to me because airflow is not something you dick around with. No aftermarket cooling is needed for your other components.

Have you put a computer together before?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Rysworld on February 08, 2013, 03:50:06 pm
Okay, well, the credit card company found such a large purchase suspicious so they rejected it. Everything must be rebought except the power supply and the case.

So now you can yell at me and have it actually DO something!

No, I have not put together a computer before. A friend who is skilled at such things shall be helping me with that, I believe.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: GroxGlitch on February 09, 2013, 07:51:46 pm
In a similar vein to Rys, I'm *also* due in for a gaming computer about a week from now. I've gone through several builds, and narrowed it down to this:
MSI Interceptor "Nighthawk": http://www.frys.com/product/7055061?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG - $79.80
Western Digital 3TB Hard Drive: http://www.frys.com/product/6761185?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG - $139.99
Gigabyte G1 Sniper M3 Motherboard: http://www.frys.com/product/7326284?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG - $169.99
Intel Core i7 "Ivy Bridge" Processor: http://www.frys.com/product/7028331?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG - $339.99
2x Patriot DDR3 8GB RAM: http://www.frys.com/product/6898106?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG - $129.99
2x GeForce GTX 650 GPU: http://www.frys.com/product/7394854?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG - $299.99
Raidmax 1200w ATX Power Supply : http://www.frys.com/product/6806106?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG - $178.99
3x Enermax Blue LCD Fan 120mm Fans: http://www.frys.com/product/6827006?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG - $38.99
3-Port Firewire Card: http://www.frys.com/product/7223173?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG - $69.99

Few 'iffies' on this one. I'm worried that even though I'm running two fairly decent graphics card (and yes, the motherboard does support multiple graphics cards), I'm concerned that it may not equate to one 300 dollar one or still be outperformed by one that's like 200 bucks; better to get one expensive one than two (relatively) inexpensive ones? Also, I'm not exactly sure what fryes lists as a wireless card - I'm assuming that's what a firewire card is but surely there'd be more than a single three-port one?
I understand some of this seems overkill, but I'm building this for future upgrades in mind. I intend to drop a better processor in at some point as well as upgrade those two aforementioned graphics cards to higher end models. I've left peripherals off this list as they're not my main concern; if I get the computer right the rest of the peripherals are no real issue.
The 3TB hard drive is basically far more than I'll ever need but I'm generally ****e about keeping my drive optimized and after having computers tossing around 124-140gig hard drives my whole life and constantly having to make room for stuff I'd like to have a drive I NEVER EVER EVER have to clean stuff off of. The number of fans and the case design in general should keep this thing amply cooled off.
In all, whatcha guys think?
(Also, I'm not forgetting a disk drive, my dad's handling those and they fit the case and everything, we already checked them out for compatibility)
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Didero on February 10, 2013, 02:57:19 am
I'll let Pat handle the details, since he knows a lot more about this sort of thing than I do, but one thing I do know is that a Firewire card is NOT used for wireless or networking. Firewire is a similar technology to USB, it's meant to easily connect peripherals to your computer. But contrary to USB, Firewire never got a really large market share. Point is, you more than likely don't need one, and you can't use it for networking.
Also, are you sure you need a wireless card? Since it's going to be a desktop computer, a network cable would provide a faster and more stable connection.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Oviraptor on February 10, 2013, 05:37:40 am
I would pick a new hard drive. The way I like to build computers is I have a fast-reading OS drive that's smaller, and then a secondary large-size drive for storage (I actually have three hard drives (one of which is partitioned) four if you count the external drive). Speaking of which, the HDD you selected is only a 5400, which is slow. You should get at least a 7200 (even for a secondary drive). Trust me, you'd notice the difference. :P Also, hard drives are one of the areas you don't want to get wrong, because it's a lot more work to fix after you've gotten things running. So, it's worth the money to do it right the first time.

For comparison, my computer has a 180 GB SSD for the OS, a 1 TB 7200 drive (partitioned into two), a 640 GB 7200 drive, and a 1 TB external drive. I've got a lot of space. :P Basically, I put all my pictures, drawings, games, etc. on the other drives.

I'll let Pat look over everything else.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: GroxGlitch on February 10, 2013, 07:44:04 am
Thanks for the tips, Ovi! HDs are one of my grey areas, I'll hop on Fryes and pick out a better one; I might drop the size too. Even if I don't want to clean the thing off, 1.5-2t should still be all I ever need. Also, thanks Didero; I can figure my way around computers *somewhat* decently but I don't know a sodding thing for networking, that includes the hardware involved :(
I'll be looking in on both of these today (hell, with my laptop's graphics chipset in it's death-throes I've nothing better to do), but I'm really, er...excited? to see what Pat has to say.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Rysworld on February 12, 2013, 07:24:55 pm
So, when I turn on the motherboard for my external test boot, the screen shows nothing. It should be, right?

What are common mistakes that could cause this?

I've been grounded this whole time, triple-checked that it's in the right place with the manual, it's fans are running when I turn the power on, and I just have no idea what is wrong.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: eropS on February 12, 2013, 07:28:29 pm
I've never done a test boot. I've always put it all together hit on so I am not sure what it would do... I say put everything together and hit on. If it doesn't work then there's a real problem and we could proceed from there.

Do you have any red lights on the mobo?  Is a green one on near the bottom?

Did you push the RAM in all the way? The clips on the side need to snap. It's scary because the mobo sometimes bends in and it seems like it might snap. The clips will snap before the mobo does though.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on February 12, 2013, 07:37:25 pm
Ah... kinda shooting in the dark at this one.

Can you post a picture? It could be a bum RAM stick. Try the boot with just one stick of RAM and rotate it out, see if the boot fails with a specific stick.

Are you using any jumpers for this boot?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Rysworld on February 12, 2013, 07:51:12 pm
My RAM wasn't in correctly because I'm stupid and it wasn't in all the way.

My mum actually put it in all the way with some force and that was what made me realize. It's working now.

hurrdurr i'm good at computers giuze
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on February 12, 2013, 07:52:51 pm
Yeah RAM is annoying sometimes. The locking system is great but can make things difficult sometimes.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Didero on February 13, 2013, 01:24:12 am
If something is really wrong with the mobo, it usually makes a series of beeps, indicating what the problem is, right? Or is that just some brands / models?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Yokto on February 13, 2013, 03:22:17 am
I actually need to get a better laptop. But I have been putting it off for more then a half of year now. >_<

It is hard to find something I like. I need a gaming laptop (For work. Yeah that is how it is when you develop games...) and I do not want to get Windows 8. Linux wont cut it. And no Macs are out of the question.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on February 13, 2013, 08:33:58 am
If something is really wrong with the mobo, it usually makes a series of beeps, indicating what the problem is, right? Or is that just some brands / models?

The number and duration of the beeps may differ from model to model, but generally speaking (I can't say ALL models do it, I don't know) most motherboard will give the user an audio cue when the BIOS fires up. Assuming the motherboard speaker is turned on/plugged in. Had that happen once with a friend's system. His motherboard had an external speaker that had to be plugged into a pin on the board, which he never did. :P
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Kishmond on August 20, 2014, 04:00:39 pm
When I build a new PC later this year, should I spring for DDR4 RAM? I just learned that was a thing, and it looks like 16GB of it is $30 - $50 more than higher-end DDR3. Think it'll make a difference?
EDIT: Aaaand it looks like motherboards that support it can reach over $800. Nevermind.

Not dead by the way.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on August 20, 2014, 04:18:46 pm
:D

Good work!
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Kishmond on September 03, 2014, 04:27:25 pm
I did find some motherboards that support DDR4 for around $400, along with a crapton of other cool features (but who needs 2 ethernet ports?). I put together a theoretical build and the price of a nice liquid-cooled case with mobo and RAM is $1200. This is before the CPU, graphics card, hard drives, or power supply. It's probably still not worth it, but I'll wait and see what the situation is in in 4 or so months.
PC building is exciting!

This is also the first time that I'm taking into account the color of the components. It's going to look sweet.

EDIT: "Worth it" is misleading though. I'm waaaay past the 'because I can' point by now.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on September 03, 2014, 04:36:38 pm
Sounds good!

If you can afford the DDR4 now, go for it for sure. Otherwise wait a while because no software uses it or will for a bit.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Kishmond on December 30, 2014, 09:34:30 am
I've built the computer I mentioned a couple months ago. It starts up, but there are two weird quirks it's doing. One is that I don't think the SLI is working to its fullest. On a Crysis 3 test at 1440p and max settings fps stays at 30-40. The little SLI bar you can use is nearly maxed, so that's good, but looking at the utilization of each card one is at 90% and the other is at 10%. It may be that that game just isn't optimized for multiple GPUs (which seems unlikely), but there may be another cause.

The 2/3-way SLI bridge that came with the motherboard didn't quite reach far enough to use slots 1 and 2, so I'm using slots 1 and 3. It looks like this
image
Do you think that would affect performance at all?


Scratch that, changing the multi-GPU mode to auto fixed it. Capped at 60 fps now.  ;D

This thing is pretty sweet. Worth every penny, and there were a lot of pennies. Picture One (http://imgur.com/Rxv96xa)      Picture Two (http://imgur.com/C7DYHB3)

Specs (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/TfF9XL)

It doesn't have a name yet, though. What should I name it?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Rysworld on December 30, 2014, 01:50:21 pm
Victoria/Vicky? Ivory? Snow Machine? Ghost? White Smoke?

(Your computer's chassis is white)
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on December 30, 2014, 07:02:50 pm
You almost have my computer, but with video cards two generations newer than mine.

I like it a lot! You've got a beautiful case.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Kishmond on January 01, 2015, 08:45:19 am
Named it Albinus because, you know, white. Was going to do Albus which more literally means white but didn't want people thinking I named it after Dumbledore.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on January 01, 2015, 08:46:06 am
Harry Potter nerds ruin everything.

Can't even go to the book store on Fridays because they STILL do readings there in-character and it's noisy as ****.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: eropS on November 16, 2015, 09:25:42 pm
I'm kind of out of it when it comes to hot **** PC parts privvy info stuff

I have a budget of $1k and would like to play Witcher 3 on the highest settings 1k can get to; can you anyone point me in a good direction?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: dndfreak on November 16, 2015, 10:15:12 pm
(http://i422.photobucket.com/albums/pp309/dndfreak/6_zpsdoukr3gy.png)

Quote
All magic comes at a price, dearie

In all seriousness, how soon do you really need it? Bear in mind that black friday is soon approaching and select prices are about to dip faster than a fat guy at Cold Stone Creamery. Upcoming sales are about to be your best chance.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on November 17, 2015, 08:33:03 am
I'm kind of out of it when it comes to hot **** PC parts privvy info stuff

I have a budget of $1k and would like to play Witcher 3 on the highest settings 1k can get to; can you anyone point me in a good direction?

I can't promise I'd be able to be available to help you get any Black Friday deals since I work retail, but I'd be happy to sit down with you and spec out a system via Steam or PM/email.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Krakow Sam on November 17, 2015, 08:38:37 am
I can't promise I'd be able to be available to help you get any Black Friday deals since I work retail

RIP Pat. ;_;7
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Gungnir on November 18, 2015, 01:37:52 pm
www.reddit.com/r/buildapc and www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales are both pretty good resources for learning about PC building and deals on parts.

eropS do you have a monitor already?
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: eropS on November 18, 2015, 06:11:16 pm
Not a good one
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Gauphastus on December 24, 2015, 11:23:53 pm
Dunno how much help I need. Mostly going with this build if I can get some decent sales 'cause I'm aiming for 500 or under.
That goddamned Win7 disc is cramping my style, man.

http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/tsMJJx
The RAM is there just because. Doesn't matter as long as it's DDR3 16GB - 32 GB. Current mobo is from like 2008 and maxes at 8 GB which is incredigay.
The graphics card is already in. Cheap as hell, got it earlier this year for around 100.
Pretty married to the motherboard at this point. I just want something simple and don't care about OC.

So yeah, I'm hoping I get a good deal on that processor. I have a Q9450. Performance comparison puts the i5-4460 at nearly double or something which is the crux of the entire build.

The other issue is the power supply. Want something decent without going nuts. The thing will probably not be near or at max load. Last time I got a 650w but sometimes 750w are cheaper.

This will all be in CAD but it's 0.72 to the USD at the moment and it's causing some grief.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on December 25, 2015, 09:51:13 pm
Looks cool!

On the topic of power supply, get whatever you need and not much more. But don't cheap out on a power supply either.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Gauphastus on December 25, 2015, 11:19:55 pm
Yeah, it shouldn't be a huge prob. But if I don't get some decent deals for this stuff soon I'ma probably just wait and watch for sales over the next few months and try to do one part at a time.
The upgrade isn't exactly essential. Just something I want.
It's funny though. Last time I upgraded (and by that I mean built an entirely new rig) was when Just Cause 2 came out. Now I wanna do a major upgrade when Just Cause 3 is out kinda by coincidence. Sorta.
Game kinda runs like a bag of wet dicks but I don't really care all that much. I just want improved performance and to replace old parts.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Gauphastus on December 30, 2015, 10:42:49 pm
Got the RAM, CPU, and HDD. Waiting on a backordered PSU, MB. The OS is being shipped here directly from another store.
I was able to do some price matching so I could order most things at the same place. Unfortunately the website stock was wrong and I misunderstood the email.
So I guess I'll have to head back out to that store in a couple more days.

But yeah.

soon
performannnnnce
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on December 31, 2015, 08:01:19 am
Star Citizen.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Gauphastus on December 31, 2015, 10:16:27 am
more like fart citizen
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on December 31, 2015, 03:12:34 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4g4QbpQ25LA
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Gauphastus on January 06, 2016, 05:22:14 am
Got the email yesterday that the MB and PSU arrived. It's a shame a higher quality PSU went on sale in the meanwhile but whatever.
So hopefully I'll be awake enough to build the thing later tonight. Today I'll do some backups.

I've been also thinking about a UPS but those can get pretty expensive. Maybe later.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on January 06, 2016, 10:04:30 am
That is definitely a bonus that you can consider later.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Gauphastus on January 25, 2016, 03:20:38 am
I'm curious as to why the Windows Update Service needs to sit there idle but still take up 20% of my CPU.
Just gonna
disable that garbage.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Ultimatum on January 25, 2016, 04:38:03 am
Gaph no!

your computer will be overrun with viruses!
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on January 25, 2016, 07:46:30 am
Oh yeah. I disable auto-update and whatnot.

Thing is dumb. Anything "auto" is dumb. Just alert me and I'll make the decision myself.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on June 30, 2016, 07:35:24 am
Looks like AMD may have cheaped out in the wrong way with their new line of cards, exceeding the PCI-e energy consumption specification. A few people were saying if they'd just used a slightly more expensive connector, rather than opting for the cheap ones, the problem wouldn't have happened.

(http://i.imgur.com/w9Q6CDo.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/7wDCTaV.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/AMDp8dH.png)

Tom's Hardware Results (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-radeon-rx-480-polaris-10,4616-9.html)
German Tech Site Confirms Flaw (http://www.golem.de/news/radeon-rx-480-im-test-eine-bessere-grafikkarte-gibt-es-fuer-den-preis-nicht-1606-121715-6.html)
French Confirmation (http://www.hardware.fr/articles/951-9/consommation-efficacite-energetique.html)
GPU-Z Creator Confirms GPU is Source of Power Draw (https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/4qk17o/my_xfx_480_power_draw/d4tp4hc)

Thing ends up pulling nearly the same amount of wattage as the Nvidia 1080 series, which is significantly more powerful.

But this AMD card. You need the "extreme" style motherboards because the damn thing sucks so much power that standard-style boards can't deliver enough power consistently to all the components. For a ****ing nice mid-tier card. Ugh... oh AMD what have you been doing lately? Nvidia is gonna kill you if you don't stop the bleeding soon.

Hey we should run them in Crossfire, then overclock them and see what happens! :3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n3ZzWKXaU4
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on August 02, 2016, 07:09:23 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXf8P8FLz9c

heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: PatMan33 on October 19, 2016, 12:01:49 am
www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2016/10/18/13316750/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1050-ti-price-release-date-amd

This is a pretty nifty series of card for anyone looking to do a inexpensive build. Looks nice! Nvidia are wrecking the place up, it seems.
Title: Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
Post by: Rysworld on July 19, 2017, 10:56:12 am
Hey I'm having PC issues. My GPU usage is fairly workable when I first open up my computer, but eventually something will trip it up and it will start going into a spiral of constant spikes, freezing my computer for a split-second every few seconds.

I have an NVidia Geforce GTX 660.

(http://i.imgur.com/65vWSAo.png)

Here's an image of it ripped from MSI Afterburner, where you can see a visual representation of what I mean. You can see the "normal" part of it functioning at the beginning, and then it starting to spike. Each one of those spikes represents a small freeze of maybe somewhere from an eighth to a quarter of a second.

I took my graphics card out and gave it a dust cleaning, which fixed the problem for about an hour and a half before it started up again.

I suspect this is just my graphics card aging and accumulating problems- at this point, it's a few years old. If it isn't, though, and somebody here recognizes this problem and has some sort of solution, I'd love to hear it.