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Title: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: vulcan101 on September 02, 2006, 04:24:26 pm
s lets talk here, I'm a little confused about the underwater stage, people have been saying it is there and others said it wasn't and some are still looking for hope.

now to me it seems pretty clear to me that its in there, i mean:
1.it was in there original game
2.it would just be stupid to remove a big chuck of the game all of a sudden
3.its in the cool little start up clip on spore.com
4.(this is taken from the site its self)Creature Phase
Venture onto land and help your creature learn and evolve with forays away from your nest. The only way to grow is by taking chances (venture onto land.translation:ur a small little insignificant cell and u evolved into a fish and then grew frigin legs and could walk your sad sorry little arse around the landscape(excuse language i have an extremely short temper I've Evan been knowen to smash a glass lamp around mi dads head but thats another story))
4.you need a water stage to ave evolution to land(if anyone wants to no why email me and I'll email u the reason y.)
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: aname on September 02, 2006, 04:29:39 pm
s lets talk here, I'm a little confused about the underwater stage, people have been saying it is there and others said it wasn't and some are still looking for hope.

now to me it seems pretty clear to me that its in there, i mean:
1.it was in there original game
2.it would just be stupid to remove a big chuck of the game all of a sudden
3.its in the cool little start up clip on spore.com
4.(this is taken from the site its self)Creature Phase
Venture onto land and help your creature learn and evolve with forays away from your nest. The only way to grow is by taking chances (venture onto land.translation:ur a small little insignificant cell and u evolved into a fish and then grew frigin legs and could walk your sad sorry little arse around the landscape(excuse language i have an extremely short temper I've Evan been knowen to smash a glass lamp around mi dads head but thats another story))
4.you need a water stage to ave evolution to land(if anyone wants to no why email me and I'll email u the reason y.)


omg liek cuz it wuz in the barelee coded GDC oh fiev vid and because i want it its there and there is nothing you cen dew to change it!


1. by "original game" you mean a 30 minutes demo held up by scotch tape?

2. yah well sometimes its really, really, hard to code something like that.

3. if its in a 30 second flash strip it does NOT mean its in the game.

4. he did say venture on to land. venture on to land as a slug coming from the primordial ooze.

5.(4.?) well this isn't an exact replica of real life bud.
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: Celdur on September 02, 2006, 04:31:30 pm
well if you look at the newest pictures i think it is in...
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: aname on September 02, 2006, 04:52:28 pm
such as?
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: Celdur on September 02, 2006, 04:54:17 pm
(http://www.sporeonline.de/screenshots/images/Photo-0260.jpg)
this one...looks like he has fins and the lighting looks like underwater lighting
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: papaboom on September 02, 2006, 05:01:29 pm
Done or not done - it's not going to be there. Guaranteed.
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: aname on September 02, 2006, 05:14:14 pm
http://www.sporeonline.de/screenshots/images/Photo-0260.jpg this one...looks like he has fins and the lighting looks like underwater lighting

when is that from? because i think they took it because im guessing they had coding problems. so they put it off till later.
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: Celdur on September 02, 2006, 05:18:40 pm
its very new i think
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: Dragon_Reborn on September 02, 2006, 05:20:02 pm
No, someone just found it.  I don't think it's new.
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: Hammerman58 on September 02, 2006, 06:33:27 pm
What proof do we have the pics are real.
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: Bastardman on September 02, 2006, 06:39:35 pm
(http://www.sporeonline.de/screenshots/images/Photo-0260.jpg)
this one...looks like he has fins and the lighting looks like underwater lighting
I thought I already debunked this?  :-\
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: 762 on September 02, 2006, 07:20:04 pm
LARGE IMAGE
this one...looks like he has fins and the lighting looks like underwater lighting
I thought I already debunked this?  :-\

You did.
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: Protoavis on September 02, 2006, 07:25:28 pm
You did, people just like to ignore those details if the subject matter can be manipulated to fill their fantasy.
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: google_video_fan on September 02, 2006, 08:00:22 pm
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Let's not get too excited here.

It looks like an underwater creature, sure. I mean, it's blue, it has fins, it seems to be propelling itself with those arms things.

HOWEVER!

If you look at the first few screenshots, which are clearly of terrestrial creatures in the test area, the terrain is the same. It's just the lighting the photos are taken in that makes that one look like it's underwater. The creature looks like it's swimming because, as someone (I think it was Flisch) said, creatures without feet simply floated around in that build of the editor.

Unfortunately, I don't think that's an actual aquatic creature.

wait, um, that's you debunking it?

What?

Let me propose a simple but valid counterargument: they haven't scripted the aquatic test area!


Why on earth would they enable the use of fins as arms, caudal leg-fins, and overall what clearly looks like a very aquatic skeleton? Seems very wasteful (resources) and misleading (to the convention-goers).

The editors are not 100% complete, nor is the game. It's far more likely that they haven't finished the aquatic test area.




Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: 762 on September 02, 2006, 08:05:43 pm
Why would they have water creatures if they don't have a water creature backdrop?

Why would Will Wright say 3 weeks ago that they may take out water creatures if they're obviously in?

Why haven't floods of reporters come back saying "Will was wrong, water creatures are in?"


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Why on earth would they enable the use of fins as arms, caudal leg-fins, and overall what clearly looks like a very aquatic skeleton? Seems very wasteful (resources) and misleading (to the convention-goers).

1) The point of the spore editor is to allow you freedom. Why wouldn't they let you do that?
2) Aquatic skeleton?

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The editors are not 100% complete, nor is the game. It's far more likely that they haven't finished the aquatic test area

I think it's more likely that Will didn't just lie to piss us off.
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: Protoavis on September 02, 2006, 08:12:07 pm
Why on earth would they enable the use of fins as arms, caudal leg-fins, and overall what clearly looks like a very aquatic skeleton? Seems very wasteful (resources) and misleading (to the convention-goers).

The whatsitinthewhoisitnow? Umm all those fins are the same part just scaled to different sizes, we are all aware we can scale the sizes of these things right? As for the skeleton and limbs...well you know the limbs dont come predetermined with attachments right? You just stick on whatever and ta da. The body shape doesn't even need explaining.
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: google_video_fan on September 02, 2006, 08:25:58 pm
I suppose i can't change your mind.

I'm not saying that Water Creatures will be in-game, but as the picture shows, at this point in the game, you can make them.


Why would they have water creatures if they don't have a water creature backdrop?
The game isn't complete. Think about it. When water creatures were in (last year), it was possible to make them in the creature editor. If they wanted to remove the feature from the game, they'd remove everything related to aquatic creatures, not just backdrops (the fins would be out too).

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Why would Will Wright say 3 weeks ago that they may take out water creatures if they're obviously in?
Obviously in? Who said that? I said it was more likely that the backdrop is not complete.
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Why haven't floods of reporters come back saying "Will was wrong, water creatures are in?"
If it's on the cusp of being taken out, it's most likely not complete. The press probably weren't able to creature aquatic creatures and test them in a real environment because that feature hadn't been implemented yet.

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1) The point of the spore editor is to allow you freedom. Why wouldn't they let you do that?
2) Aquatic skeleton?
Why would they let you create creature components that you'll never be able to use? You can't mold body parts into components - they can only be altered in size - meaning they were created for a purpose.

As for the skeleton comment, I was suggesting that the creator of this creature molded the skeleton to the shape of an aquatic animal (manitee/sea-cow).

I'm not saying water creatures are in-game, I'm simply suggesting the possibility that you've overlooked a very valid point.

Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: HolsteinCow on September 02, 2006, 09:30:32 pm
They had better eliminate ALL traces of underwater life then; Remember the mistakes that Rockstar and Bethesda made?
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: Malt on September 02, 2006, 09:33:44 pm
Let's NOT talk about underwater creatures. It will just turn into a flamefest, and is going to lower the morale here by another 3 notches on the Newbdon scale.

DISCUSSION OVER
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: DaMuncha on September 02, 2006, 11:16:38 pm
Oh still notice the "DISCUSSION OVER" is still there, in very very small font.
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: Slith on September 03, 2006, 01:42:33 am
Let's NOT talk about underwater creatures. It will just turn into a flamefest, and is going to lower the morale here by another 3 notches on the Newbdon scale.

DISCUSSION OVER

Merely because you're too willing to accept the chance of its removal without a fight. Let's face it guys; You would enjoy having the water stage in the game. There's no reason not to enjoy it. So why are people defending the removal of this? Here's some of the arguments I've been hearing:

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"If they work on implementing the underwater stage, we might lose out on some other cool features!"
First of all, what other cool features? Other cool features they haven't talked about, perhaps.  But then, why would we miss these features if we never even heard of nor seen them?

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"Working on the underwater stage is going to eat up too much development time and the team won't make their schedule."
Last I heard they were ahead of schedule. On top of that; Have patience young grasshopper.

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"They're cutting it out of the game so an expansion pack can be made out of it, chock full of other neat features!"
As much as you'd like to believe the expansion is going to be full of neat features; it won't. It'll be exactly what got cut from the game - underwater civilizations and/or creatures. You'll also have to pay $40 dollars for what should have been in the game to begin with. I'd rather see an expansion with things we don't know about than one that we do.

Novel idea: Ask yourself if you want to see the underwater stage of the game. It's a simple yes/no.

If you answer with a yes, send an email to will wright, or EA or Maxis, and say something about it:
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Dear Mr.Will Wright/Maxis/EA

There have been rumours circulating that the underwater stage of Spore is being cut, and this tears a deep hole in my heart. Please, would you reconsider this choice for a very dear fan of your game? It pains me to see such opportunity and gameplay lost. At least consider some of the cool things about this stage: [Insert reasons why you think the underwater stage is good. Maybe throw in some of your own ideas.]

Good luck and best wishes,
Slith

If you answer with a no, you could send an email to them about why you don't like the underwater stage. Criticize the idea, point out where you feel it's flawed. [But do it politely!]

Who knows? Maybe, juuuust maybe, someone will listen to you, to us. Certainly there is no harm in trying.



Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: Uroboros on September 03, 2006, 03:05:00 am
I'd add something to this, but I have a problem. I just dont know the answer.
WW said underwater civs are on the cusp of being cut out, but thats a very strange wording, and what you draw from it depends on how literally you take it. It was a passing comment, not a set-in-concrete statement of fact. Civs and creatures are different things, and "on the cusp" is very hazy. Whilst we havent seen any evidence of water creatures/civs being in from recent videos, we also have to remember that only the oldest of the videos show water creatures -at all-, and this water removal thing is more of a recent development.

Just like every other damned thing about this game, its a "wait and see" I suppose.
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: Bastardman on September 03, 2006, 06:48:32 am
Okay, again, he never mentioned "civs". That was made up right here when people started saying "lol guys relax, he probably just meant civs", and before long, people had changed what they'd read to "underwater civs are on the cusp". He could have meant creatures OR civs, it was never specified.

As for the skeleton comment, I was suggesting that the creator of this creature molded the skeleton to the shape of an aquatic animal (manitee/sea-cow).
Except that the only "skeleton" you have to work with in the editor is the spine, which as we've seen, can be molded however you wish. Would you expect Maxis to place limitations on what can be done with the spine just to make it clear that, hey guess what, you can't make underwater creatures?

As for the fins not being taken out, those are just cosmetic parts now. The blue lizards in the demo even have them, and they appear under the decorative extras menu of the editor.
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: dvalladt on September 03, 2006, 07:03:11 am
3.its in the cool little start up clip on spore.com

In the official SimCity4 trailer, the one they did when they were about to release the final game, there were cool avenues, wich weren't in the final game. I remember that the trailer made a lot of people assume that they actually were. They were finally added with the "Rush Hour" expansion.
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: Duke Rajko on September 03, 2006, 07:18:48 am
Here is will's original quote;

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IGN: We've heard players might be able to create underwater creatures.

Will Wright: That's actually one of those aspects of the game that's right on the cusp of being cutout. We'll have to see if it makes it in. You start out underwater, at the molecular level, so it's just a matter of whether or not you're forced out and onto land.

Incase anyone missed it.
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: 762 on September 03, 2006, 07:29:28 am
Words

We're not trying to rationalize or anything that Maxis should take it out. I'd prefer if they keep it, but I'm being realistic. Will Wright said they're on the cusp of it being taken out. I'm not going to get my hopes up, buy the game in 8 months or a year, see that there's no water creatures and smash the game with a hammer because I'm so upset. I'll see that there's no water creatures and say "meh." Or, if there are water creatures, I'll get it and say "awesome."

So again, I wish that they keep underwater civs (and subsequently creatures), I really do. What I don't want is for the spore fanbase to get all kinds of pissy when features that weren't expected to be in, aren't in.

EDIT:
Okay, those are definately fishy parts.  :P

http://www.sporeonline.de/screenshots/images/Photo-0260.jpg

no it are wings :P

No, they are decorations. During the GC they neither worked as wings nor as fins.
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: Malt on September 03, 2006, 08:08:38 am
(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j200/Qoder/pressyourluck.png)

Oh come'on! Papa needs a new pair of shoes, so show me the money!! No whammies! No whammies!!!!!
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: Full_Metal on September 03, 2006, 09:32:33 am
While I can't blame anyone for speculating (that is the bread and butter of a forum like this) it's crazy to get all worked up over a vague statement in just one interview. "on the cusp" is pretty vague. whenever WW figures out whether or not he's cutting underwater creatures then we'll get an answer but right now I take it he's not  sure himself.

As for the pic in question, fins don't necessarily mean land creature. Remember this?
http://media.pc.gamespy.com/media/735/735340/img_3595229.html
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: Nazzul on September 03, 2006, 09:50:11 am
vague statements= Undeniable proof.
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: HolsteinCow on September 03, 2006, 09:51:15 am
http://media.pc.gamespy.com/media/735/735340/img_3595229.html

it looks like a land critter to me
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: Mjavabean on September 03, 2006, 10:08:57 am
They had better eliminate ALL traces of underwater life then; Remember the mistakes that Rockstar and Bethesda made?

What mistakes?
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: Brutus on September 03, 2006, 10:10:44 am
well rockstar games and bethesda made the mistake of being retarded
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: Mjavabean on September 03, 2006, 10:13:43 am
Yeah, but what mistakes is Whatevercow talking about particularly?

Rockstar left in the dirty mod, is that what they're talking about?
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: Millsy111 on September 03, 2006, 10:37:11 am
well rockstar games and bethesda made the mistake of being retarded


How are Bethesda retarded? They created one of the best games ever made.
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: named on September 03, 2006, 11:55:30 am
http://media.pc.gamespy.com/media/735/735340/img_3595229.html

it looks like a land critter to me
its amphibious
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: Bastardman on September 03, 2006, 12:00:52 pm
They had better eliminate ALL traces of underwater life then; Remember the mistakes that Rockstar and Bethesda made?

What mistakes?
http://elliottback.com/wp/archives/2006/05/04/oblivion-nude-elder-scrolls-goes-mature-m/

http://media.pc.gamespy.com/media/735/735340/img_3595229.html

it looks like a land critter to me
its amphibious
I don't see where you're getting that from.
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: SpecialBrownies on September 03, 2006, 12:01:50 pm
its amphibious

(http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/8238/flippersjv4.jpg)
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: DarkDragon on September 05, 2006, 07:33:08 am
guys, guys, here.. have an aspirin :P

now... in my opinion I want water creatures. I've said this before but I'll say it again, look at the question:

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IGN: We've heard players might be able to create underwater creatures.

Will Wright: That's actually one of those aspects of the game that's right on the cusp of being cutout. We'll have to see if it makes it in. You start out underwater, at the molecular level, so it's just a matter of whether or not you're forced out and onto land.

Those guys over at IGN have known that water creatures, just like flying creatures were in and still in the middle of a bunch of useless questions about spore being on consoles this totally random question which has nothing to do with all others come up, sorry but it just looks to me like Will Wright asked them to ask that question so that he could piss us off a bit by giving a made up answer xD

As for the fact we haven't seen any water creatures or anything underwater being the proof then I'd say that cell stage, tribal stage, city stage and civ stage are not in as well. oh wait, we haven't seen any boats either so they are not there! omg! omg! kthxbyedienow :P
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: Millsy111 on September 05, 2006, 10:15:32 am
They had better eliminate ALL traces of underwater life then; Remember the mistakes that Rockstar and Bethesda made?

What mistakes?
http://elliottback.com/wp/archives/2006/05/04/oblivion-nude-elder-scrolls-goes-mature-m/

http://media.pc.gamespy.com/media/735/735340/img_3595229.html

it looks like a land critter to me
its amphibious
I don't see where you're getting that from.

I still don't think that Bethesda did anything wrong. The breasts just look plain silly and Oblivion isn't exactly a game that the average 10 year old would play. They were just trying to make the game more realistic, unlike Rockstar who thought that adding a sex mini-game was clever. Even with the 'Hot Coffee' mod, how would children get their hands on it? I suspect that most children that play the game have the PS2 version, whilst the ones who own the PC one wouldn't have figured out to download it anyway. The only way children playing the game could find out about this mini-game was by reading game magazines. So why are the anti-videogames protestors or whatever their called complain against the developers? They should be taking action against the magazine for printing such an article.
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: Duke Rajko on September 05, 2006, 10:46:26 am
In the UK the BBFC (British Board of Film Classification, under who's jurisdiction games fall) just ignored the Hot Coffe thing, saying that since it took a third party modification to make it happen then it wasn't considered a part of the game. Thats a really good decision there, just because residual code was left over shouldn't mean anything, it's like saying that because Disney's Snow White has pictures of Snow White, someone could then draw snow white naked and so it should be classified as 18(is R the USian equivalent?)
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: dafool on September 05, 2006, 02:35:50 pm
It's R for 18 over here. I also agree, if something takes effort and understanding to get to then the average 10 year old wont even know what a mod is, let alone figure out how to get it. Personally I believe that most people who criticize video games are idiots as there are far worse things than video games out there. Like EA. Greedy bastards. Stealing away our dreams of living under the sea.  :'(
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: Duke Rajko on September 05, 2006, 03:01:54 pm
I don't see why games are the target, if anyone it should be the parents who buy their 10 year olds 18 rated games, and then have the nerve to try and blame the game.
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: dafool on September 05, 2006, 03:09:21 pm
I don't see why games are the target, if anyone it should be the parents who buy their 10 year olds 18 rated games, and then have the nerve to try and blame the game.

Exactly. People today have a hard time taking responsibility for what they let their kids do, so they blame every other thing.
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: DaMuncha on September 05, 2006, 04:05:53 pm
Yeah, bad parenting from the start. I accuse my parents of making my life suck, cause if i wasnt born I wouldnt have a life TO suck. But they deny it. I think parents are selfish. They bring a child into this horrible world to make THEM happy. I mean honestly, who the hell wants to be born.
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: HanianKnight on September 05, 2006, 05:49:03 pm
this is about the water stage?
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: GrrrArrgh on September 05, 2006, 06:15:19 pm
They had better eliminate ALL traces of underwater life then; Remember the mistakes that Rockstar and Bethesda made?

What mistakes?
http://elliottback.com/wp/archives/2006/05/04/oblivion-nude-elder-scrolls-goes-mature-m/

http://media.pc.gamespy.com/media/735/735340/img_3595229.html

it looks like a land critter to me
its amphibious
I don't see where you're getting that from.

I still don't think that Bethesda did anything wrong. The breasts just look plain silly and Oblivion isn't exactly a game that the average 10 year old would play. They were just trying to make the game more realistic, unlike Rockstar who thought that adding a sex mini-game was clever. Even with the 'Hot Coffee' mod, how would children get their hands on it? I suspect that most children that play the game have the PS2 version, whilst the ones who own the PC one wouldn't have figured out to download it anyway. The only way children playing the game could find out about this mini-game was by reading game magazines. So why are the anti-videogames protestors or whatever their called complain against the developers? They should be taking action against the magazine for printing such an article.

I don't see why this is even news. There are nude mods for Elder Scrolls 3 too, and at least a few other games I'm sure. The hot coffee thing was just stupid. Anyone intelligent enough to find the thing should already be old enough to view that kind of material, and it's not a game for the youngins anyway. Also didn't God of War have both topless scenes and a sex mini game? I remember no public outcry over that. Not to mention the gloriously gratuitous violence.

Anyway, as for the topic of this thread, I hope they keep the underwater stuff in the game.
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: Kalashnikov on September 05, 2006, 07:08:54 pm
On the recent videos there are fins, end of discussion, there is a water stage, damn you nerds.
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: Malt on September 05, 2006, 07:14:23 pm
On the recent videos there are fins, end of discussion, there is a water stage, damn you nerds.

It's funny because you're obviously a nerd(Only nerds use the internet) and also because you didn't realize the fins are decorative. Nice job making yourself look like a jerk.
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: Chickenman297 on September 05, 2006, 07:26:48 pm
Quote from: Bill Gates
Rule 11.  Be nice to nerds. Chances are you'll end up working for one.
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: DaMuncha on September 05, 2006, 09:33:32 pm
It WAS, but we're (me) all sick of talking about it. Just wait till the game comes out.
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: slugfly on September 05, 2006, 10:19:31 pm
I don't think there will be a water stage... but there should be (and they should add it in the first expansion).  They don't necessarily need to have an underwater civ, just underwater life.

Thinking logically, unless there's no land there's probably no real reason for an underwater species to develop civilization.  There's less need for tools, no need for shelters.  A species can survive quite easily without having intelligence to aid it.
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: Millsy111 on September 06, 2006, 12:31:54 pm
On the recent videos there are fins, end of discussion, there is a water stage, damn you nerds.


We are all nerds.
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: Bastardman on September 06, 2006, 02:44:49 pm
On the recent videos there are fins, end of discussion, there is a water stage, damn you nerds.


We are all nerds.
He's not a nerd. Nerds don't like guns, and he apparently does.
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: HanianKnight on September 06, 2006, 03:16:13 pm
having a water phase would be Haniantastic!!!!
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: DarkDragon on September 07, 2006, 03:36:23 am
Nerds with guns! anyone? :o
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: DaMuncha on September 07, 2006, 04:57:47 am
Nuns with Guns on the run just for fun.

Now try saying that 10 times quickly. (I cant even say it ONCE quickly)
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: munchkin5 on September 07, 2006, 08:24:36 am
(http://www.stencilrevolution.com/photopost/data/502/Nuns_With_Guns_2_Stencil_by_irradiatedapples.jpg)
lol
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: Slartibartfast on September 07, 2006, 10:17:36 am
(http://members.ozemail.com.au/~mickay/nuns-and-guns.gif)

And that's why they should keep the water phase in the initial release . . . wait, a minute what th---
(http://website.lineone.net/~bunkie/cleo1.jpg)
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: vulcan101 on September 08, 2006, 01:46:22 am
ok guys look i didnt post this to get every one into a mass argument i posted it to find peoples ideas which i obviously did in a rude to i might add.

but honestly the demos we see are extremly scaled down as one of the spore designers said in his demostration
look i believe it will be in there i mean WW is a very talented game designer and if he wants it in there it'll be in there
and as i can see this post has become a joke it  is no longer about the water phase it is now about frigin nuns
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: vulcan101 on September 08, 2006, 06:55:03 pm
well there u go i cant complian about that but i do have 1 q how do u insert pictures
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: 762 on September 08, 2006, 06:56:43 pm
Well, there you go! I can't complain, but I do have one question: How do I insert pictures?

Since you asked so nicely, here:

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Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: benjaminge on September 09, 2006, 03:26:45 am
just thort id ad that im not fussed at all if they take water creatures out, id mainly make land creatures. bu i suppose it would be nice to have the freedom to make them. a couple of questions tho:
- how different would the tribal and civ stages have to be between land and aquatic creatures? i mean fire would obviously be out!
- would the ufo b launched from underwater? and would it be able then to fly underwater as well? one of the advantages of the ufo is that it is the fastest vehicle to move around your planet in, whats the point if the majority of your planet is underwater?
- would vehicles recieve the ability 2 move anywhere underwater? logic says yes, but thats completely different to the tanks etc of the land cultures, and would make gameplay a lot harder...
- would water criters get electricity?

anyway, i know probably none of these can be answered right now. but perhaps they are some reasons why water creatures MAY be taken out.
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: DaMuncha on September 09, 2006, 05:40:21 am
- would water criters get electricity?
anyway, i know probably none of these can be answered right now. but perhaps they are some reasons why water creatures MAY be taken out.

I can just imagine some one drowning pikachu (thats not a bad idea)
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: /lurk on September 09, 2006, 10:21:13 am
Benjaminge, those are the sort of questions that Will Wright asked himself several years ago, while the game was still in the concept stage. Aquatic life was partially implemented back in '05, so the design of it must have een completed a long time before - hence, all of those questions have been answered already, but the solutions have not been shared to the community here.

In real life, water critters are the only ones with electricity. Go, electric eel!
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: Bastardman on September 09, 2006, 10:25:31 am
just thort id ad that im not fussed at all if they take water creatures out, id mainly make land creatures. bu i suppose it would be nice to have the freedom to make them. a couple of questions tho:
- how different would the tribal and civ stages have to be between land and aquatic creatures? i mean fire would obviously be out!
- would the ufo b launched from underwater? and would it be able then to fly underwater as well? one of the advantages of the ufo is that it is the fastest vehicle to move around your planet in, whats the point if the majority of your planet is underwater?
- would vehicles recieve the ability 2 move anywhere underwater? logic says yes, but thats completely different to the tanks etc of the land cultures, and would make gameplay a lot harder...
- would water criters get electricity?

anyway, i know probably none of these can be answered right now. but perhaps they are some reasons why water creatures MAY be taken out.
(http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/9629/xrvmgktw5zzg7oj6gbpptervifiiktxuez0.jpg)
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: vulcan101 on September 09, 2006, 03:57:38 pm
yer im agreeeing with /lurk that makes perfect sense

mi thought on benjaminge's q's
-i'de tribal would be like in an underwater cave and city well we'll have to see
-as for the ufo u have to be like major ruler of the planet before u get 1 so i think it would launch from one of those buble cities on the land (thats a buble filled with water)

it will most likely be in the 1st release but if its not WW will make sure yyou get it some how like an expansion
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: Protoavis on September 09, 2006, 08:47:47 pm
- Does it even need to be that different? Fire isn't the only chemical reaction to produce heat. Adding to that, the amount of unrealism in the game and fire underwater is the biggest concern here?

- Why wouldn't the UFO be launched from underwater? I don't get the issue here at all. Something that needs to be air tight and travels through space suddenly can't travel in the water like a submarine? I'm thinking if a species has the ability to make a UFO that can travel the galaxy they're going to be able to make something that can go underwater and still function as a UFO.

- Different to tanks possibly, not that different to planes. But again with the amount of unrealism in the game is it really an issue that can't be easily fixed.

- Electricity isn't the only power source.
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: vulcan101 on September 09, 2006, 08:59:19 pm
agreed
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: Duke Rajko on September 09, 2006, 09:27:28 pm
Electricity is not a source of power, it is the power.
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: Protoavis on September 09, 2006, 10:05:26 pm
Trival detail to the scope of the point being made

beyond that, electric power is only a small part of what electricity is. The more precise terms of the related concepts of electricity are electric, potential, electric current, electric field, electrical energy, electric power, electric charge. But that's just irrelevant pedantism.
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: vulcan101 on September 09, 2006, 10:18:34 pm
ah i dont think we will have to worry about the electricity issue i dont think there will be that much detail in the game
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: TheNecromonicon on September 09, 2006, 10:32:50 pm
- Why wouldn't the UFO be launched from underwater? I don't get the issue here at all. Something that needs to be air tight and travels through space suddenly can't travel in the water like a submarine? I'm thinking if a species has the ability to make a UFO that can travel the galaxy they're going to be able to make something that can go underwater and still function as a UFO.

I must reply to this.

In space, there is no pressure. In fact, it's a vacuum. Under water, the pressure increases as you go down. A deep space fairing vessel and a deep sea faring vessel do require different materials and different types of structural support and insulation to function properly. If anything, it's easier for unmodified sea vessels to work in space than unmodified space vessels to work underwater... providing you can get the submarine in orbit ;)
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: vulcan101 on September 09, 2006, 10:40:23 pm
very well put but apart from the fact that the game isnt 100% sciencifically correct
but if it was ur UFO would move much faster in space then on earth due to the fact that there is no friction
oh and to get around a galaxy that fast you would have to travel faster then the speed of light which as far as we humans no is the universal speed limit

so if u were to bring your idea into play u would also have to bring these
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: Duke Rajko on September 09, 2006, 11:09:36 pm
Trival detail to the scope of the point being made

beyond that, electric power is only a small part of what electricity is. The more precise terms of the related concepts of electricity are electric, potential, electric current, electric field, electrical energy, electric power, electric charge. But that's just irrelevant pedantism.

I really do not see ANY point to that comment, I was merely stating that power sources are used to generate electricity(or shall I say a potential difference causing a flow of charge and a transfer of energy) electricity is not itself a source in the general sense. Since you seem all knowing in the field, or atleast intelligent enough to take a brief gander at wikipedia you should know that. And I don't believe there was any rooom to interpret the statement as power being all there was to electricity.

Of course there are other ways of getting power, like petroleum combustion or steam pressure, but neither of these would make a computer go. And t get advanced societies you need to talk electronics so I hardly think it's a trvial detail.


P.S That's Pedantry
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: vulcan101 on September 09, 2006, 11:17:50 pm
actually come to think of it if they did manage to electricity it be ampd due to water
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: Duke Rajko on September 09, 2006, 11:38:46 pm
By amped do you mean conducted?
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: Millsy111 on September 10, 2006, 01:41:25 am
it will most likely not be in the 1st release but if it is WW will have made sure you won't have to get an expansion quite so early.

Corrected  :)
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: TheChaos7 on September 11, 2006, 09:15:14 am
well after the roll on to land as a slug. comment i doubt sea creatures are in. its not a big loss to me but it kinda sucks
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: Psammeticus on September 11, 2006, 05:52:23 pm
Don't get your hopes up, I hoped for BW2 to be an even better gaming experience than BW, we all know how that worked out.
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: Gungnir on September 11, 2006, 06:29:36 pm
That game was a tragedy of gaming...
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: Bastardman on September 12, 2006, 06:15:31 am
Don't get your hopes up, I hoped for BW2 to be an even better gaming experience than BW, we all know how that worked out.
Having played the demo, the impression I got was that it was better than BW 1.

Although that would hardly be a difficult thing to accomplish...
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: Duke Rajko on September 12, 2006, 09:35:46 am
Black and White 2 had some good things going for it, major complaints being that it was really hard to do anything with armies besides get them killed.
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: Mr. Consideration on September 12, 2006, 12:24:31 pm
Don't get your hopes up, I hoped for BW2 to be an even better gaming experience than BW, we all know how that worked out.
Having played the demo, the impression I got was that it was better than BW 1.

Although that would hardly be a difficult thing to accomplish...
The game was stupidly short and cripplingly unfinished.
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: Bastardman on September 12, 2006, 01:59:46 pm
The game was stupidly short and cripplingly unfinished.
...still not seeing how that makes it worse than the first game...  :-\
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: slugfly on September 12, 2006, 10:29:30 pm
Peter Molyneux designed Black and White, and for all its flaws it was a brilliant game!  A beautiful game!  Ron Millar (some dude who worked on the Warcraft series) designed Black and White 2 and was overseen by PM...  Black and White 2 was a horrid failure for people who were fans of the first game.  For those who were introduced to the series by Black and White 2, I guess it may have been a good game...  but instead of building on and improving the "god" feel of the game, they upstaged it with RTS and military concerns...

failure!
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: Bastardman on September 13, 2006, 07:16:11 am
There were fans of the first game?
The game was stupidly short and cripplingly unfinished.
BW1 had exactly five levels. It was unplayable upon release because it outright refused to run on a lot of different configurations, and because when you reached the final level it permanently messed up your creature. Even putting aside all the features than never made it in, that certainly sounds stupidly short and cripplingly unfinished to me.

Also, what "god" feel are you talking about? Watering trees? Carrying wood and grain around for your helpless, dependent followers? Waiting hours for your villages to grow to respectable size, with nothing you can do but drop countless trees into the workshop? I felt a lot more Godly in BW2. Hell, I felt more Godly in P:TB, and you don't even PLAY a God in that game...
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: DarkDragon on September 13, 2006, 08:06:22 am
This topic raises up the question, if there are no water creatures and they might come in with an expansion what will happen when those new creatures get transfered to people without the expansion? My idea is that water parts are cataloged with an "expansion" mark so that before they are transfered to other players who don't own the expansion the server checks if they have it or not and because they don't, creature with water parts won't be sent to them :P
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: Chaosdwarft on September 13, 2006, 08:47:48 am
actually come to think of it if they did manage to electricity it be amped due to water


how the heck are you suppose to invent fire if you are an underwater civ? I mean you have to rethink most of the technological tree.
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: DarkDragon on September 13, 2006, 10:28:59 am
someone already suggested a small underwater volcano with bubbles or something like that :P
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: Chaosdwarft on September 13, 2006, 10:36:00 am
guess so
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: Bastardman on September 13, 2006, 10:58:47 am
someone already suggested a small underwater volcano with bubbles or something like that :P
Yes. Yes they did. All two zillion times this topic has been brought up in the past. ::)
Title: Re: lets talk abou the water phase shall we
Post by: /lurk on September 13, 2006, 02:08:28 pm
someone already suggested a small underwater volcano with bubbles or something like that :P
Yes. Yes they did. All two zillion times this topic has been brought up in the past. ::)

In fact, that question had been answered only one page ago.

I'm beginning to understand you, Bastardman. Congratulations on lasting so long.