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Title: The Jinnivons (OMYL Age)
Post by: Yokto on August 05, 2006, 08:38:28 am
(http://spore-planet.rpgs.sytes.net/Gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=4464&g2_serialNumber=1)
Made in the CE 2.0 which rules as we all know!   ;D

Name: Jinnivon
Size: 2-3 Decimeter long
Locomotion: Swims
Environment: Aquatic
Diet: Omnivore.
Social behavior: Extremely independent culture where most of the species almost never meet each other. Every now and again the creatures meets in large consuls to speak about special events that might treaten them.
Lifespan: Average age is 150 years


Generally Biology

The Jinnivons are a aquatic creature that have 4 fins, 1 tail, 4 tentacles and 2 eyes. There small but swims fast. Ther mouth is hidden behind their tentacles. It use both there tentacles and is tail to hold and manipulate things. Jinnivons comes in all colors.

General culture

Jinnivons general try to say away from each other. Almost every Jinnivons have a area which they them self have bin declared guardians over.  The Guardian ship comes almost insticual so there is very uncommon for there to be fights over areas. If there is a conflict a emergency consul is often announced and that is about the only time Jinnivons ever meet each other with the exception of mating and the early family group. Some Jinnivons youth says in small groups even when they get older. This renegade groups often means trouble and guardians do anything to try to kick them out of there territory. If the groups becomes to hard to handle for one guardian consul is put in setion. Rangers are then sent out to put them down.

Rangers are the a select minatory of warriors that exited to protect Jinnivons from other Jinnivons. There the only onces aloud to travel over a guardians area. They seek out renegades and put them down. It can be anything from a guardian that threaten other guardians or old youth bands that try to take controle. Rangers often works alone but have a little more contact with others due to the traveling. Still they try to live alone. Rangers train all there life in combat, hunting and stalking. This makes them a formidable foe. Guardians do ofthen do not have the time to train in combat and renegade youth bands often do not have the discipline so is not hard to see why Rangers are both feared and respected at the same time. Renegade rangers are very uncommon.
Title: Re: The Jinnivons (OMYL Age)
Post by: a14gt on August 05, 2006, 09:10:01 am
now this is nice,+ for being aquatic,can't wait for a hand drawing.
Title: Re: The Jinnivons (OMYL Age)
Post by: Lualmoba on August 05, 2006, 09:25:53 am
This creature is really original.
Title: Re: The Jinnivons (OMYL Age)
Post by: The Terminator on August 05, 2006, 09:48:28 am
For such a small creature, it has a lonf life span. Great job on originality :)
Title: Re: The Jinnivons (OMYL Age)
Post by: Rhodix on August 06, 2006, 10:00:51 am
Wow.
Very nice creature! :)
Seems a seahorse.
Title: Re: The Jinnivons (OMYL Age)
Post by: Flisch on August 06, 2006, 10:33:56 am
looks good, but i do have one question:

you said, that they do live alone the most time...but if its so, how could they evolve a language or better: why should they think of a language if they never meet each other?

 ::) but its just a game...^^
Title: Re: The Jinnivons (OMYL Age)
Post by: Yokto on August 06, 2006, 10:44:34 am
Actually There Language is very short on words. And most of it is have its core in raising children or mating. There language have not change in a long wile. The good thing is because they have so little contact they do not develop any unique dialects. Also philosophy is a favorite past time so they need words to describe the world for them self so they understand it better. Just so they can structure there minds. But that is often a more private language and is often not written down. But When a new guardian takes controle over a area after the old one is gone he often learns the old guardians private Language if he have left any written remains. There are a little odd that way that they rather get to know the dead rather then living.

And thanks for the question! I love questions!
Title: Re: The Jinnivons (OMYL Age)
Post by: stuck on August 06, 2006, 10:57:15 am
Alright, here's a question.

What about division of labor? From what it seems all of them need to farm for themselves to live, and with all the energy spent on farming, they can't do anything productive like science or literature. How do they deal with this? Are certain Gaurdians assigned specific jobs during the meetings?
Title: Re: The Jinnivons (OMYL Age)
Post by: Flisch on August 06, 2006, 11:05:29 am
Actually There Language is very short on words. And most of it is have its core in raising children or mating. There language have not change in a long wile. The good thing is because they have so little contact they do not develop any unique dialects. Also philosophy is a favorite past time so they need words to describe the world for them self so they understand it better. Just so they can structure there minds. But that is often a more private language and is often not written down. But When a new guardian takes controle over a area after the old one is gone he often learns the old guardians private Language if he have left any written remains. There are a little odd that way that they rather get to know the dead rather then living.

And thanks for the question! I love questions!

mmh..i dont want to diskuss the hole thing....but:
1. a language must be trained the hole time...thats the problem with lost persons like robinson crusoe or recluses
2. to raise children or to mate with each other doesnt need a language...almost all animals do it witout...
and why do we teach our children the language?....that they can talk with each other later...but if there isnt someone they can talk to, its no need for a language
3. scientists are at one with each other, that sociability or living in groups/tribes/... is the starting point for language and thus for a civilisation and for sentience

another point:
im curious about what they use under water to scribe on or weapons...building materials...and stuff like that...thus the most things needed for a civilisation
because i thought alot about it, but i never found really good things...they can use, because organic things will rot too fast under water and steel requires fire...which is hard to spark under water
Title: Re: The Jinnivons (OMYL Age)
Post by: Yokto on August 06, 2006, 11:13:47 am
Alright, here's a question.

What about division of labor? From what it seems all of them need to farm for themselves to live, and with all the energy spent on farming, they can't do anything productive like science or literature. How do they deal with this? Are certain Gaurdians assigned specific jobs during the meetings?
Well it simple. A Jinnivons do not need much to survive. There at top of the food chain (Which you may not believe because they are so small) and do not need to farm for there survival. In fact farming or should i say gardening is more seen as a hobby. But problems have bin looming on the horizon. Even if there growth have bin very slow there have now have started to overpopulate there planet. This is why they started to travel to outer spaces to find new areas to guard over. Many of these space travelers often stay on there ships all there lives.

One thing one must understand is that Jinnivons progress slowly. We humans can accomplish more things during our lifetime then a 100 generations of Jinnivons usually do. And unlike humans they live in a greather harmony with there environment which makes it easier for them to survive. The key is slow but sturdy progress.
Title: Re: The Jinnivons (OMYL Age)
Post by: Yokto on August 06, 2006, 12:11:06 pm
Actually There Language is very short on words. And most of it is have its core in raising children or mating. There language have not change in a long wile. The good thing is because they have so little contact they do not develop any unique dialects. Also philosophy is a favorite past time so they need words to describe the world for them self so they understand it better. Just so they can structure there minds. But that is often a more private language and is often not written down. But When a new guardian takes controle over a area after the old one is gone he often learns the old guardians private Language if he have left any written remains. There are a little odd that way that they rather get to know the dead rather then living.

And thanks for the question! I love questions!

mmh..i dont want to diskuss the hole thing....but:
1. a language must be trained the hole time...thats the problem with lost persons like robinson crusoe or recluses
2. to raise children or to mate with each other doesnt need a language...almost all animals do it witout...
and why do we teach our children the language?....that they can talk with each other later...but if there isnt someone they can talk to, its no need for a language
3. scientists are at one with each other, that sociability or living in groups/tribes/... is the starting point for language and thus for a civilisation and for sentience

another point:
im curious about what they use under water to scribe on or weapons...building materials...and stuff like that...thus the most things needed for a civilisation
because i thought alot about it, but i never found really good things...they can use, because organic things will rot too fast under water and steel requires fire...which is hard to spark under water

Well first we are not talking about humans. Jinnivons are taught basic language when there young and this is imprinted in to there minds. So when it come to talking to other Jinnivon is a little like jumping up on the bike again.

And yes is true that you do not need language to find a mate or to teach you childrent to survive. However even if the Jinnivon are top predators and usually have a easy time they have a few problems. One is the weather. It easier to survive if you know how to build a shelter. Even if they often do not have a permanent habitate they still need something to shield them self from the elements. A other thing is what to eat. A lot of food is poisonous and need special ways to prepare them before they can eat it. Because Intelligences do provide some benefits the Jinnivons Instictlevly seeks out other intelligent mates and that is where a language is used in mating. It maybe also why Jinnivons try to learn from the dead as they are not rivals.

There is also a historic link. The early Jinnivons was very tribal and live in shallow water atolls that where shielded against the elements. On these oases life was even simpler but it did not take long before these primitive Jinnivons ran out of living space and started to war with each other. Those that survived where those that left the theses atolls and colonized deep sea. Because these atolls where to small they never where able to develop a sustainable society and the deep Jinnivons that became the modern Jinnivons finally just out competed the. There a still streaks of this in modern Jinnivons culture. The Youthgangs are seen as a primitive remnant. Is not hard to understand why Jinnivons try so hard to stop youth gangs.

Well as for weapons and other technical developments. Whitening is often done of somewhat soft rocks tablets in the early age. Jinnivons are carefull to copy down anything written they found even if they them self do not write or even understand what is written on the tablets. This is rooted i a ancient tradition. Very few weapons have bin constructed by the Jinnivons. Most weapons have historically bin made out of diffrent rocks and the most weapons where made by the early shallow Jinnivons. Now in the modern era is Rangers that mostly construct weapons but some youth gangs try to arm them self. Rangers weapons are often more advanced as they have bin train to construct them from when there where young. Also Rangers pick up more tricks then regular Guardians and youth gangs during there travels. Guardians almost never arm them self and if they do then they are considered to be renegades and must be stopped.

The first practical use of fire was discovered when the deep sea Jinnivons explored the thermal vents in the where on the bottom of the deep sea. The early deep sea Jinnivons discovers these hot places and learn how to use them. Guardianship was often shared betwine several Guardians over this area because of there importens and the guardians toke turns in using the thermal vents. Luckily for the Jinnivons the planet was and still is very geothermal active so there where many vent to share. Now in the modern age they have them self discovered how to generate there own heat sources so not geothermal are less important.
Title: Re: The Jinnivons (OMYL Age)
Post by: Daxx on August 06, 2006, 04:42:30 pm
Great detail, Yokto. Any indication as to how much further you're taking these guys?
Title: Re: The Jinnivons (OMYL Age)
Post by: Yokto on August 06, 2006, 06:13:57 pm
I have no idea daxx. But the more question the more they will grow a guess ;)
Title: Re: The Jinnivons (OMYL Age)
Post by: Gunner on January 30, 2007, 04:34:52 pm
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k285/Gunneroid/scan0005.jpg)
Some Pics...
Sorry about the membrane/ear thing though... :-\
Title: Re: The Jinnivons (OMYL Age)
Post by: operaghost21 on January 30, 2007, 04:37:57 pm
awesome
Title: Re: The Jinnivons (OMYL Age)
Post by: Yokto on January 30, 2007, 04:42:13 pm
Great Fanart! And do not worry about the membrane. Heck is what makes your Jinnivon Race you. They can not all look the same :)
Title: Re: The Jinnivons (OMYL Age)
Post by: Yokto on January 30, 2007, 05:15:31 pm
Why do not Jinnivons like other Jinnivons is something may species have ask. Well the short answer is pheromones. Adult Jinnivon have a smell that repelse other Adult Jinnivons.There own smell seems to have little effect on them self. Jinnivons can notice this smell over larger areas. When a Young Adult Jinnivon first venture out to find his own area to settle look for a area with little smell really. That way the jinnivon became somewhat eveanly spaced out.

Jinnivons do not always send out theses pheromones. During mating the pheromones changes and accualy attracts others that are ready to mate. It is often at these gathering that colective trubles gets resolved. There are also those that have a Gen defect and eather do not smell these pheromones as bad or do not have these pheromones at all. A very small few even have both defects. Jinnivons that do not have this pheromones Tend to become Rangers but it sometime happens that they gather in Youth gangs. Rangers that have pheromones often do not move around as much as those that lack it.

Early Jinnivons did not have these pheromones. Some belive it was first a genetic defect that forced the early Jinnivons to be expeled form the city living Jinnivons that started the modern solotaric cultur. (Therfor this event is seen accualy as a blessing by the modern Jinnivons. After all They live today wiles there city living ansesotory died in War, Overpopulation and Polution)
Title: Re: The Jinnivons (OMYL Age)
Post by: Yokto on March 24, 2007, 04:56:42 pm
Jinnivons relgion is very old. about One million years old. In the old times when the city states where still powerfull and strong Jinnivons worshiped many gods.

One day a star fell form the sky. Nothing uncommon but always taken as a omen. Seen as eather the arrows of the gods or sometimes as the carriots of the gods. This time it truly was something special. It was a Naucean starship that hade traveled far to explore the great waterplanet. As common at that time a expedtion was send to revcover what ever could be found at the site. The astrologies manage to figure out where the ship hade most likely landed. They in to the Deep waters of the planet where those that hade abandon the old way have moved. They manage to gain the some of these hermits that would guide them to the crashsite.

When the made it to the crashsite they saw something they did not expect. The gods them self swiming in the ocean. Thogh storries have bin told of sucha thing before this was the first time Jinnivon hade ever seen a Alien. They stayed well away and spied on the Naucean as they made there research. Naucean left leaving just a few minor artfacts that where quickly sacvange by the Jinninons. Objects that the Naucean belived would have no impact on the nature. But they did have impact on the Jinnivons. These became some of the most valued items of the city states and more the a few wars would erupt over these mundane items.

The age of the city state ended and a new age of the Hermit Jinnivon started. The stories of the Naucean laster long after the city states however. One day long after the age of the city state a Ranger called deepswimmer found a other Naucean ship. The ship was pretty intact but for some reson the Nauean pilot have left it on the Jinnivon homeworld. The Ranger entered the ship and hade vision. After exiting the ship he knew that the Naucean god have left it there for a reson. The ranger alerted his find to the other Jinnivons. This had sucha great impact that the mating season was prosponed in favor for a great pigramge to the site. Not sinces the time of the city states hade there bin so many Jinnivons at one place at the same time. They decided that several rangers would guard the site and try to interpent the vision that one gained from entering the ship. In time they would build a larger temple around the larger spherical ship.

The Jinnivons worshiped Naucean and the Jinnivons homeworld became even a pillgrimage site for other followers of the Naucean God even long after the vision have ended. On the walls on the great temple the visions and history how the sphear was found was carved. Many Jinnivons opts for a pillgrimage to the site even tens of thousands years later over mating that season.



I whant the thx Hydro for helping me.
Title: Re: The Jinnivons (OMYL Age)
Post by: Hydromancerx on March 24, 2007, 08:50:04 pm
its about time you used this idea. its been awhile since you asked me to help ya with this :D
Title: Re: The Jinnivons (OMYL Age)
Post by: Yokto on March 25, 2007, 03:24:37 am
Yeah i know. I planed to write more but i shorten it just so i could post. Maybe that was a good thing.
Title: Re: The Jinnivons (OMYL Age)
Post by: Yokto on March 25, 2007, 04:41:06 am
The age of space exporation

Jinnivons spaceships evolved from modifing there own mobile homes. These homes bacame more and more populer with time and replaces the temporary dwellings that prevuse generations have lived in. The homes were often handed down from generation to generation. Every gereration would modifie there home a little bit at a time adding to the technical design.

The earilest ships could only travel at slow speeds in the sea using underwater currents or simply muscle power. Later other Power Sources would be developed which not only made the homes more mobile but also allowed them larger. Later ships could surfaces surfaces even fly above the great sea. Later rockets made i posible to travel in to outer spaces and all the local planets put on the guardianship of the Jinnivons. This expantion was pretty slow. Jinnivons feared that to many rocket ships would damage the environment so only a few Jinnivons left there home planet at this time.

Later as technology advanced new methods of propulsion made i possible for nature frindly spacetravel. At this time there home planet was getting a little overpopulated (by Jinnivon standards.) To solve this Jinnivons developed the stardrive and set out to colonizes the galaxy.

Jinnivons do not colonizes like most other alien do. They just decideds to guard and protect planets. They do not often Terraform (or Aquaform) planets and they never enslave planets. They Guard over them protecting them form those that whants to exploit nature and destroying it in the process. Jinnivons usaly do not guard over planets with advanced civilzations but there are quite a few exceptions. In general Jinnivons think that lesser advanced civilizations are often more connected to nature and less proned to exploiting Jinnivons good will of guardianship. What Jinnivons really hate are machiavelli species.

The Jinnivon Starships are often very larger. Especialy compared to the size of the Jinnivons them self. The Ship have a Orgaic modular Design which makes the robust. Often the ship can be broken down to several smaller ships. Rangers ships tend to be smaller but a lot faster. Jinnivons can often live for several generations on these ships without ever leaving them.
Title: Re: The Jinnivons (OMYL Age)
Post by: DK_Man on March 25, 2007, 07:13:29 am
cool!  ;D
Title: Re: The Jinnivons (OMYL Age)
Post by: Netherflare on March 25, 2007, 12:22:26 pm
interesting evolution of the space technology!   :D
Title: Re: The Jinnivons (OMYL Age)
Post by: Yokto on March 25, 2007, 12:31:01 pm
Thx for all the comments. :)

I had to figure out a way for it to naturaly develop. Becuse Jinnivons do not work i teams i thoght the best way was for the technolgy to evolve with time. That way many Jinnivon could contribute without them acturaly working togather.
Title: Re: The Jinnivons (OMYL Age)
Post by: Yokto on March 26, 2007, 06:16:07 am
The Jinnivon hegemony and there governing body

Jinnivon area of influences is often called the Jinnivon hegemony. They guard over many planets over a huge area. Thoght not in anyway a economic or millitary superpower other species usaly respect on the count of there ablity to fend off attacks and defend there world they guard over.

Jinnivon activly search to extend there infulances by convincing others that it is in there intersets to accept there protection. Some call it Pax Jinnivon Galactica. (In there own terms of couse.)

In the modern era of the star travling Jinnivon the rapid change of politics from other races have forced the Jinnivon set up a more permanent assembly. This parlament are made up by elected repersetatives that are elected at the regional matting gathrings. The Parlament then elects those will manage the adminstration. For Jinnivons is very awkward to work in this way but is a comprimise that was needed. The good thing is that Jinnivons as a hole are very intepended and very few things actualy have to be handeled by the adminstration and parlment.

the assembly it self takes place in a huge starship. Or to be more precise a starship that is made up of several smallere ships. This craft is very morphic as ships comes and leaves all the time. Many times one can not even see the core of the craft becuse of the many ships swarming.
Title: Re: The Jinnivons (OMYL Age)
Post by: Flisch on April 08, 2007, 05:24:26 am
Got finished today:

(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c390/Flisch/Fanart/Jinnivon6fertig.jpg)

Happy Easter!  :)

(The membranes got lost in the light reflections sadly.)
Title: Re: The Jinnivons (OMYL Age)
Post by: Hydromancerx on April 08, 2007, 05:31:12 am
Wow! How did you make it?
Title: Re: The Jinnivons (OMYL Age)
Post by: Flisch on April 08, 2007, 05:33:52 am
Wow! How did you make it?

Photoshop

Behind the scenes (http://www.getphpbb.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=1407&mforum=oviraptorworld#1407)
Title: Re: The Jinnivons (OMYL Age)
Post by: Yokto on April 08, 2007, 05:47:47 am
Great fanart Flischmaster! :)
Title: Re: The Jinnivons (OMYL Age)
Post by: Hydromancerx on April 08, 2007, 05:51:09 am
Wow! How did you make it?

Photoshop

Behind the scenes (http://www.getphpbb.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=1407&mforum=oviraptorworld#1407)

Cool thank you for sharing :D
Title: Re: The Jinnivons (OMYL Age)
Post by: Yokto on August 26, 2007, 04:34:34 am
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/greatdistance/Jinnivon.jpg)

A picture GD made for me :)
Title: Re: The Jinnivons (OMYL Age)
Post by: Blarg on August 26, 2007, 11:01:42 am
Nice ceatures, good job.  :)
Title: Re: The Jinnivons (OMYL Age)
Post by: ARCosta on August 27, 2007, 06:24:09 am
I really like their culture. I'ts not like Maximum violence nor peace, not super inteligent or super strong. I like them, really balanced  ;D

And i always thought how a lone race could evolve, you manage to do that  ;)
Title: Re: The Jinnivons (OMYL Age)
Post by: Yokto on October 20, 2007, 12:02:42 pm
(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j106/Yokto/Jinnivon.png)

My latest Jinnivon picture. Made in Inkscape. Pretty fun to try to work with vectors. Hope you all like it.
Title: Re: The Jinnivons (OMYL Age)
Post by: Yokto on September 18, 2008, 11:13:49 am
Jinnivon now have a spore clone i made. There are a bit different due to the fact you can not play something aquatic. But they look very smiler. I took some artistic license however and moded them a bit. Well there my creature so i can do want i want with them >_>

They also have there own back story separate form the Jinnvon one.


Jinnivon Nivonis Jininova (http://www.spore.com/sporepedia#qry=srch-Jinnivon%3Asast-500078729579)
Jinnivon Nivonis Jininova Civ Era (http://www.spore.com/sporepedia#qry=sast-500080331179)
Title: Re: The Jinnivons (OMYL Age)
Post by: Kenotai on September 21, 2008, 07:35:44 am
Here's that drawing I did for you a while back.(http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/6287/jinnivonba7.png)
I even added a background to it.  It's looking over its shoulder, the stress marks are "hidden" by the tentacles.