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Title: The PSP is Dead
Post by: uber fragger on July 18, 2006, 09:16:21 pm
Link (http://www.gwn.com/articles/article.php/id/747/p/1/)

EDIT: Fixed Link.

Not my words, but the words of Gameworld.  Being a PSP owner since launch I obviously don't want the system to die.  But that article put out some key facts.  Only 3 PSP games have sold over 1 million units while 13 DS titles have and 3 360 games while its not even a year old.  And with the next gen consoles coming, can 300+ dollars justify a PSP and 2 games when you can buy a DS and 6 games for less or a Wii and 2 games for around the same price.

IMO, Sony better hope that this holiday does well with titles like Loco Roco, MGS, Lumines 2, Killzone, E3, and FF VII: Crisis Core and it's PS1 downloadable game service.  But when you look at it, sites like PSP.IGN.com have less news coverage then sites like pspupdates.com showing how alive the PSP homebrew crowd is.  Sony could do a lot by adding more and better updates and embracing homebrew more.  When compared to Nintendo in handhelds, Sony just doesn't know 'em as well.

Your thoughts?
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Fink on July 18, 2006, 10:09:47 pm
Sony never belonged in the hand held market in the 1st place. They tried making it a portable consol, and that doesn't really work
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: c14dude on July 19, 2006, 12:27:27 am
i agree sadly, there's just nothing great for it, and i finally gave in and upgraded my firmware
so now i can't even use emulators on it, i guess i'm selling it soon  :'(
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: WinterSnowblind on July 19, 2006, 12:28:12 am
I hate to take sides, especially as I always seem to be hating on Sony, but the PSP is the only current system I don't own, and even at the end of this year, there are only one or two games I would ever consider buying for it.  Loco Roco looks quirky, but not something that I'm ever going to buy the system for, Lumines interested me, but with the Xbox Live version coming out, with frequent expansions I don't see the point, Crisis Core is just another case of them milking the most popular game of the series, Killzone isn't worth mentioning, but the Metal Gear Solid game looks great, but once again, I am never going to buy any system, merely for Ridge Racer and MGS.

Can't help but compare it to the DS - which I've playing more than any of my other systems at the moment.
At least they've seemed to learn that people don't just want stripped down PS2 ports.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: bwl2 on July 19, 2006, 11:17:18 am
I own a PSP, and to tell you the truth I am quite dissapointed. I own 3 games for it. Metal Gear Acid, Twisted Metal, and Grand theft auto. I have not seen many games that I would want since then. This is the first time I can say that I regret getting a system. I pray that the actualy release somthing more interesting.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Fade2gray on July 19, 2006, 03:30:17 pm
Simply put,
I used to own a PSP.
Says a lot.

PS. Anyone else notice that "PSP" is still targeted by the spellcheck.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on July 19, 2006, 03:39:44 pm
http://www.gwn.com/articles/article.php/id/747/p/1/ (http://Link)

Not my words, but the words of Gameworld.  Being a PSP owner since launch I obviously don't want the system to die.  But that article put out some key facts.  Only 3 PSP games have sold over 1 million units while 13 DS titles have and 3 360 games while its not even a year old.  And with the next gen consoles coming, can 300+ dollars justify a PSP and 2 games when you can buy a DS and 6 games for less or a Wii and 2 games for around the same price.


And yet, the PSP has sold more games then the DS. At least it had so around two months ago, it might have changed by now.

I would comment on the points in the link, but it just brings me to a site that says Springlink.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: uber fragger on July 19, 2006, 07:57:56 pm
http://www.gwn.com/articles/article.php/id/747/p/1/ (http://Link)

Not my words, but the words of Gameworld.  Being a PSP owner since launch I obviously don't want the system to die.  But that article put out some key facts.  Only 3 PSP games have sold over 1 million units while 13 DS titles have and 3 360 games while its not even a year old.  And with the next gen consoles coming, can 300+ dollars justify a PSP and 2 games when you can buy a DS and 6 games for less or a Wii and 2 games for around the same price.


And yet, the PSP has sold more games then the DS. At least it had so around two months ago, it might have changed by now.

I would comment on the points in the link, but it just brings me to a site that says Springlink.

Opps! I fixed the link.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: PatMan33 on July 19, 2006, 10:40:10 pm
I would not say dead... yet...


However if the PSP were a person I would highly advise them to seek medical attention.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: TheNecromonicon on July 19, 2006, 11:53:41 pm
I would not say dead... yet...

However if the PSP were a person I would highly advise them to seek medical attention.

I'm not a sony fan, the only PS-only game I ever found enjoyable was God of War (I like playing Spiderman GTA:SA and stuff that is also out on the X-box) and their graphics were always poo. But when PSP came out I was SO excited because it had nice graphics and a few cool games... but then there were no more cool games, and you'd only use it to watch video clips and stuff... my PSP died a long long time ago.

I'm not sure they can be saved... my advice involves empty woods and a shotgun... just put the poor beast out of its misery :'(
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: WinterSnowblind on July 20, 2006, 12:07:03 am
http://www.gwn.com/articles/article.php/id/747/p/1/ (http://Link)

Not my words, but the words of Gameworld.  Being a PSP owner since launch I obviously don't want the system to die.  But that article put out some key facts.  Only 3 PSP games have sold over 1 million units while 13 DS titles have and 3 360 games while its not even a year old.  And with the next gen consoles coming, can 300+ dollars justify a PSP and 2 games when you can buy a DS and 6 games for less or a Wii and 2 games for around the same price.


And yet, the PSP has sold more games then the DS. At least it had so around two months ago, it might have changed by now.

I would comment on the points in the link, but it just brings me to a site that says Springlink.

Any proof of this?  I find it very hard to believe the PSP has been selling more games, when the DS has been completely pwning the PSP in sales.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: PatMan33 on July 20, 2006, 12:09:52 am
Yeah I have to second that.

And if the PSP had been selling more games... then why is it in the hole it is in?
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on July 20, 2006, 03:10:38 am
http://www.gwn.com/articles/article.php/id/747/p/1/ (http://Link)

Not my words, but the words of Gameworld.  Being a PSP owner since launch I obviously don't want the system to die.  But that article put out some key facts.  Only 3 PSP games have sold over 1 million units while 13 DS titles have and 3 360 games while its not even a year old.  And with the next gen consoles coming, can 300+ dollars justify a PSP and 2 games when you can buy a DS and 6 games for less or a Wii and 2 games for around the same price.


And yet, the PSP has sold more games then the DS. At least it had so around two months ago, it might have changed by now.

I would comment on the points in the link, but it just brings me to a site that says Springlink.

Any proof of this?  I find it very hard to believe the PSP has been selling more games, when the DS has been completely pwning the PSP in sales.

I will see if I can dig up a link. Like I said it was around two months ago that I last saw the overall figures so it may be difficult for me to find it.

Bar in mind, it wasn't a very big difference. And I believe it was only American sales, though I could be wrong there to.

Edit: Haven't been able to find a link. But that doesn't mean that I am wrong.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on July 20, 2006, 04:35:19 am
To much bias, to few facts in that "article".

For instance, the article makes it sound like the Wii is gonna kill the PSP because it is gonna be "cheaper" then the PSP.

First of, that is pure speculation.

Second what is gonna keep Sony from dropping the PSP price to 150$? They even say later in the article that Sony has a "rumored" price drop later this year.

Third, people handhelds because they are, well, handhelds. They buy them so they can play their favorite games on the go. That is why GTA is the top selling game on the PSP. Because love GTA and love to play it on the go.

Fourth, using the Xpod as a valid argument as the PSP's downfall is idiotic. We barely know any thing about it and yet it is suppose to come out and kill the PSP?

And that is just the top of the iceberg.

Just because UMD movie have failed doesn't mean that the PSP is gonna fail. Tekken: Dark Resurrection was on the fourth most selling game in Japan just a week ago.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: aname on July 20, 2006, 07:48:12 am
To much bias, to few facts in that "article".

For instance, the article makes it sound like the Wii is gonna kill the PSP because it is gonna be "cheaper" then the PSP.

First of, that is pure speculation.

Second what is gonna keep Sony from dropping the PSP price to 150$? They even say later in the article that Sony has a "rumored" price drop later this year.

Third, people handhelds because they are, well, handhelds. They buy them so they can play their favorite games on the go. That is why GTA is the top selling game on the PSP. Because love GTA and love to play it on the go.

Fourth, using the Xpod as a valid argument as the PSP's downfall is idiotic. We barely know any thing about it and yet it is suppose to come out and kill the PSP?

And that is just the top of the iceberg.

Just because UMD movie have failed doesn't mean that the PSP is gonna fail. Tekken: Dark Resurrection was on the fourth most selling game in Japan just a week ago.

wtf? the wii isn't even a handheld! how is it supposed to kill the psp? maybe distract a few buyers but they are completely differen't.  now killing the ps3 is one thing i think will happen.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Krakow Sam on July 20, 2006, 08:12:14 am
Second what is gonna keep Sony from dropping the PSP price to 150$? They even say later in the article that Sony has a "rumored" price drop later this year.

Economics? Basic business sense? The fact it likely costs them more than $150 to make one of those disc-launching monsters?
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: PHI-1618 on July 20, 2006, 09:07:43 am
To much bias, to few facts in that "article".

I feel the same way, though I think the PSP is doing at best marginally well right now.

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For instance, the article makes it sound like the Wii is gonna kill the PSP because it is gonna be "cheaper" then the PSP.

First of, that is pure speculation.

Yes, it is. Wii is going to kill the PS3. Big difference. ;)

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Second what is gonna keep Sony from dropping the PSP price to 150$? They even say later in the article that Sony has a "rumored" price drop later this year.

But honestly, I'm not even sure that would help. I don't sense any hype around the PSP any longer, meanwhile Nintendo could belch loudly, charge people for it, and everyone would be pleased to do so. And understand, I'm not against the PSP; I just don't hear anybody talking about it like when it was first being released. Seems to exist in this little void somewhere, trapped between the DS and the GBA.

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Third, people [buy] handhelds because they are, well, handhelds. They buy them so they can play their favorite games on the go. That is why GTA is the top selling game on the PSP. Because love GTA and love to play it on the go.

I think people just love GTA. I don't think it's a significant benefit that it's on-the-go, so to speak. It's just that GTA is likely the best-selling (on average per installment) franchise in gaming right now. The other reason why it sold so enormously well is because it has relatively little competition for a PSP owner's money. IMO, the astonishing thing about the DS's 13 million-unit sellers is that they are largely competing with each other. There is simply so many damn good games for the DS, that is't difficult to buy them all; they're taking away from each other. I don't think PSP games are competing with DS games as much as DS ones are with each other.

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Fourth, using the Xpod as a valid argument as the PSP's downfall is idiotic. We barely know any thing about it and yet it is suppose to come out and kill the PSP?

I agree here. I think the DS is handling the PSP quite well on its own. That said, it depends on what Microsoft brings to the table. If they come out with something that's DS-inspired -- ie., pushing innovation as opposed to ports -- it could do well, at least in the West.

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Just because UMD movie have failed doesn't mean that the PSP is gonna fail. Tekken: Dark Resurrection was on the fourth most selling game in Japan just a week ago.

Yes, but here's what I think is significant: How many original, non-franchise games have succeeded on the PSP? That's a problem. If a game has to be from a huge franchise to begin with in order to do really well, that's going to push some developers away.

And yet, the PSP has sold more games then the DS. At least it had so around two months ago, it might have changed by now.

I would comment on the points in the link, but it just brings me to a site that says Springlink.

Any proof of this? I find it very hard to believe the PSP has been selling more games, when the DS has been completely pwning the PSP in sales.

I'm with Winter. I don't buy it.

That said, it's fun to go back in time and see how many people should put their feet in their mouths:

http://www.g4tv.com/xplay/features/51374/Verdict_Sony_PSP_vs_Nintendo_DS.html
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on July 20, 2006, 09:08:04 am
Second what is gonna keep Sony from dropping the PSP price to 150$? They even say later in the article that Sony has a "rumored" price drop later this year.

Economics? Basic business sense? The fact it likely costs them more than $150 to make one of those disc-launching monsters?

That doesn't mean they can't drop the price. I was just giving an example, that was based on speculation, like the guy in the article was. Besides, we don't know how much it costs Sony to make a PSP at this point, but I doubt that they are still taking a loss on every unit sold.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: PHI-1618 on July 20, 2006, 09:24:50 am
Second what is gonna keep Sony from dropping the PSP price to 150$? They even say later in the article that Sony has a "rumored" price drop later this year.

Economics? Basic business sense? The fact it likely costs them more than $150 to make one of those disc-launching monsters?

That doesn't mean they can't drop the price. I was just giving an example, that was based on speculation, like the guy in the article was. Besides, we don't know how much it costs Sony to make a PSP at this point, but I doubt that they are still taking a loss on every unit sold.

I'm curious about that as well, considering the bath Sony is taking on PS3 production. Hopefully, the PSP isn't losing money per unit anymore. They're practically hemorrhaging money as it is.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Krakow Sam on July 20, 2006, 10:17:35 am
Second what is gonna keep Sony from dropping the PSP price to 150$? They even say later in the article that Sony has a "rumored" price drop later this year.

Economics? Basic business sense? The fact it likely costs them more than $150 to make one of those disc-launching monsters?

That doesn't mean they can't drop the price. I was just giving an example, that was based on speculation, like the guy in the article was. Besides, we don't know how much it costs Sony to make a PSP at this point, but I doubt that they are still taking a loss on every unit sold.
But then they would have to make the money back by selling UMDs... which no one is buying... so, meh.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on July 20, 2006, 12:04:10 pm
Second what is gonna keep Sony from dropping the PSP price to 150$? They even say later in the article that Sony has a "rumored" price drop later this year.

Economics? Basic business sense? The fact it likely costs them more than $150 to make one of those disc-launching monsters?

That doesn't mean they can't drop the price. I was just giving an example, that was based on speculation, like the guy in the article was. Besides, we don't know how much it costs Sony to make a PSP at this point, but I doubt that they are still taking a loss on every unit sold.
But then they would have to make the money back by selling UMDs... which no one is buying... so, meh.

People are buying UMD's, just not UMD movies.

Also, PHI I was gonna reply to your post, but I had to mow the lawn in the hottest day this year, so any thing longer then this post is gonna kill me.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: PHI-1618 on July 20, 2006, 01:03:52 pm
Also, PHI I was gonna reply to your post, but I had to mow the lawn in the hottest day this year, so any thing longer then this post is gonna kill me.

I completely sympathize. I mowed the lawn yesterday and wanted to die. :) Friggin' 104 out there.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Krakow Sam on July 20, 2006, 01:42:40 pm
At the moment its 86 Farenheit here... indoors.... at 10 pm. This is a country where houses dont have air-con or even ceiling fans. Its flipping boiling
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on July 20, 2006, 02:48:52 pm
I think the evil witch of the east said it best.

"I am melting, I AM MELTING. Oh what a world!"
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: darkstar on July 22, 2006, 06:02:20 pm
sony made a mistake in entering the handheld market, they couldn't just update the graphics to beat nintendo there and the handheld was designed to do too much, not to mention how much more it costs than the ds.

The ps3 will likly do fine, but end up like the gamecube has, having a few really great games allowing it to keep going a bit and keep sony alive, but not enough to make large numbers of people buy it. The ps3 simply costs too much, and games for it could even end up costing more than $60. It just won't sell well enough.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: PatMan33 on July 22, 2006, 06:56:21 pm
Will Sony be able to do what Nintendo did with the GameCube?

The GameCube, despite all of its "shortcomings" still turned a profit when all was said and done. The PS3 does not look like it will be making much profit.... ever.

Compound that with all the cash Sony has been sending out for lawsuits, plus some reports that their other divisions have not been doing so well, Sony could be poised to be in quite the pickle come this next generation.


Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: aname on July 22, 2006, 08:03:59 pm
and not to mention every console they DO sell takes away money.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: PHI-1618 on July 23, 2006, 05:37:46 am
The ps3 will likly do fine, but end up like the gamecube has, having a few really great games allowing it to keep going a bit and keep sony alive, but not enough to make large numbers of people buy it. The ps3 simply costs too much, and games for it could even end up costing more than $60. It just won't sell well enough.

See, I have the different view: The PS3 will either be enormously successful or it will die utterly, potentially taking Sony with it. I cannot fathom it staying alive if it were to do GameCube numbers; that would be a death sentence for the system. Because if people reject the PS3, they're likely going to buy a 360 and/or a Wii, and many 3rd parties are sticking with Sony betting on them having the majority marketshare this time around like with the PS2. If they don't and it's obvious they won't have it, they will lose much of their support and that would kill the PS3 almost entirely.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: PatMan33 on July 23, 2006, 08:16:57 am
Let's just hope that that does not happen.


As much as I dislike Sony, they have some nice stuff.



Although... I would love to play a new Final Fantasy on a Nintendo console... WHERE IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE!
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Flak on July 23, 2006, 04:25:58 pm
that is the biggest load of crap I've ever read. There is tons of content out there for it and it can do a hell of a lot more than a DS. My DS will continue to collect dust.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Krakow Sam on July 23, 2006, 04:39:14 pm
Yeah, you cant use the DS to launch UMDs at Metrocops at all.  :-*
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: PatMan33 on July 23, 2006, 04:51:36 pm
You can launch the DS carts.

I have done it.


Looks like the DS does everything the PSP can do. AND MORE!
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Krakow Sam on July 23, 2006, 05:05:37 pm
true enough. i forgot about that  :D
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Fink on July 23, 2006, 07:39:22 pm
that is the biggest load of crap I've ever read. There is tons of content out there for it and it can do a hell of a lot more than a DS. My DS will continue to collect dust.

I can say the same thing about my PSP
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: WinterSnowblind on July 24, 2006, 12:23:59 am
that is the biggest load of crap I've ever read. There is tons of content out there for it and it can do a hell of a lot more than a DS. My DS will continue to collect dust.

Sorry but no.  Most of the PSP games are stripped down versions of already existing PS2 games.  If you're content with that, then that's fine.  But I don't see the point of buying a game on the PSP, which is usually more expensive, has less features, and not as good graphics.  Like I said before, the reason I haven't bought a PSP so far is because there are only two or three games I would bother buying it for it, and very few, if any in the foreseeable future.  I don't consider that so hot.

You may not like the DS but it's quite clear at the moment that it's the most popular game system in the world.  If you don't enjoy it, then hey, it's your loss.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: TheNecromonicon on July 24, 2006, 12:34:05 am
Sony fanboys make me laugh hehe :D
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: emmet on July 24, 2006, 01:24:58 am
I have both consoles...
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Flak on July 24, 2006, 03:45:18 am
You may not like the DS but it's quite clear at the moment that it's the most popular game system in the world.  If you don't enjoy it, then hey, it's your loss.

LOL yeah, loss ^^
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Devoid on July 24, 2006, 08:21:09 am
You may not like the DS but it's quite clear at the moment that it's the most popular game system in the world.  If you don't enjoy it, then hey, it's your loss.

LOL yeah, loss ^^

Wow, clever. Don't respond to any of their arguements or anything, it's not like actually defending your fanboy-love for the PSP is possible without sounding like you have no idea what you're talking about. I think I'd just back out slowly, too, if I were you.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: WinterSnowblind on July 24, 2006, 08:21:45 am
You may not like the DS but it's quite clear at the moment that it's the most popular game system in the world.  If you don't enjoy it, then hey, it's your loss.

LOL yeah, loss ^^

 ::)
This is like an argument against a 12 year old on mIRC.
If you think I'm wrong, how about saying why, or given us some evidence to say why you think the PSP is better.  Simply saying "LOL DS SUCKS" doesn't really cut it.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: PatMan33 on July 24, 2006, 08:47:28 am
Have your argument somewhere else.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Flak on July 24, 2006, 09:14:16 am

This is like an argument against a 12 year old on mIRC.
If you think I'm wrong, how about saying why, or given us some evidence to say why you think the PSP is better.  Simply saying "LOL DS SUCKS" doesn't really cut it.

LOL!
Where in the world did I EVER say it sucks? I said I don't like it. It didnt take long for you guys to pull out the Fanboy card though ;) It's fan girl by the way :)

How can you argue someone's preference? I like the PSP much better. It feels nicer, it looks way cooler and I LOVE all the stuff you can do with it and I like the games better. My 12 year old neighbor prefers my DS though, so maybe it has something to do with age. :)

Seriously guys, chill out with the attacks, I never said it sucks :)
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: WinterSnowblind on July 24, 2006, 09:36:13 am
You never said it sucks, but you seriously implied it.
I will stop posting now though.  I can feel my I.Q. decreasing with this topic.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: PatMan33 on July 24, 2006, 09:47:42 am
so maybe it has something to do with age. :)

Seriously guys, chill out with the attacks, I never said it sucks :)

You know better than to play the age card with Nintendo stuff around Nintendo fans.

You are just provoking everyone so don't act all innocent.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Damned_Zombie on July 24, 2006, 10:07:51 am
DS is for little kids who don't appreciate good games.

PSP is crap. It only has a few games worth mentioning and UMDs are going down the tube.

I win.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Flak on July 24, 2006, 10:19:19 am
You know better than to play the age card with Nintendo stuff around Nintendo fans.

You are just provoking everyone so don't act all innocent.

Well no actually I don't, this is my first of this type of discussion. I will remember for future reference though! Considering the response it will likely be my last though. ;)
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: PatMan33 on July 24, 2006, 10:20:20 am
Yeah yeah thats a load of bull.

You know you knew it and you knew just what you were doing. Don't try to hide it.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Damned_Zombie on July 24, 2006, 10:30:04 am
Simmah down! Git off the doo-ah yahd afore I git the coppahs!
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: PatMan33 on July 24, 2006, 10:32:01 am
so maybe it has something to do with age. :)

Zombie, she put emphasis on the age remark. You don't do that out of the blue unless you know that is a sore point with Nintendo fans.

Also stop typing like that you are not funny.


**EDIT**
I LIE!

I love your banter!  :-*
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Flak on July 24, 2006, 10:54:12 am
LOL!

I'm sorry, didn't mean to get your dander up. It's not bull, it's the truth. Once again, it's my experience. YMMV. Try to have a nice day, you seem to have gotten off to a bad start.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: stuck on July 24, 2006, 11:14:20 am
The fact that you answer every post with "LOL!!" makes me disregard your opinions as mere fangirlism. Do you enjoy waiting for games to load? Wouldn't you rather pay half as much to watch high-quality easily accesible DVDs? Please back up your points with substantial evidence.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: WinterSnowblind on July 24, 2006, 11:22:09 am
You know better than to play the age card with Nintendo stuff around Nintendo fans.

You are just provoking everyone so don't act all innocent.

Well no actually I don't, this is my first of this type of discussion. I will remember for future reference though! Considering the response it will likely be my last though. ;)

This is a pretty friendly forum, and most people on it are quite intelligent.  Discussions like this don't usually happen.
If you want to disagree with something, then you're more than welcome to, but you've been spouting nothing but fangirl giberish, and your argument is nothing more than "the PSP is better, because it looks better".

If you're going to act like an ass, prepare to be treated like one.  Otherwise go to Sony.com and sign up on the forums, I'm sure there's a lot of close minded people there who will be happy to randomly bash other systems.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Flak on July 24, 2006, 11:30:29 am
This is a pretty friendly forum

I haven't seen that. I guess they are, as long as they agree with you. :)

I will agree with that about the rest of these boards though, the people are very nice and friendly. To the poster before you, I did give more than one reason. Maybe you only read what you wanted? As I said before, you guys are quick to pull out that fangirl card, when it's obvious to me the DS fanboyism quota is a heck of a lot higher around here. ;) I love my PSP. I wasted money on my DS. Color me stupid or a fangirl or whatever color you'd like to paint me with. It's how I feel. Sue me, Jump on my back, insult me, whatever you need to do.

And the LOLs... I laugh, a lot. It's in my nature. :)
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: aname on July 24, 2006, 11:40:21 am
if you don't want your DS give it to me to sell on ebay! sure you like the features, i can see that. its fine, i really don't see why some people are getting angry at you. if you like it, cool! then maybe the PSP might pull through and some gems could be made. daxter was a great game. lumenis, it plays movies and goes online. the DS has something differen't and the people here like it. so get off her back.

(oh, and don't say LOL. then they will have a grudge against you. *speaks from experience*)
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: PatMan33 on July 24, 2006, 11:45:29 am
Once again you fail to see the point, aname.

We are not mad that she does not like the PSP. We are mad at the inflammatory way she is voicing her opinion.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: aname on July 24, 2006, 11:48:16 am
hey, you called her a fanboy the second she said the psp is better. and most of this thread is saying the PSP sucks.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Flak on July 24, 2006, 11:48:46 am
I dont think I have an inflammatory bone in my body. (except maybe a touch of arthritis ;) ) If I've offended you, I wholeheartedly apologize.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: PatMan33 on July 24, 2006, 11:51:03 am
Just don't go after anyone next time. Then we won't go after you.

As for you Aname, do some research, check some backlogs, and for God's sake stop trying to one up everyone.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Flak on July 24, 2006, 11:54:45 am
Go after anyone?

Whoa, I think you TOTALLY misinterpreted me. Hell, I don't even squash bugs, I take them outside. Come to SD sometime and I'll take you out for an ice cream cone. You'll see not only don't I bite, I don't even have a bark. :)
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: PatMan33 on July 24, 2006, 11:58:18 am
I stand by my point.

I don't buy your facade.

Watch yourself.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: WinterSnowblind on July 24, 2006, 12:01:45 pm
hey, you called her a fanboy the second she said the psp is better. and most of this thread is saying the PSP sucks.

I think everyone who has said anything bad about the PSP has given decent enough reasons, where as her negative comments about the DS weren't even accompanied by any reasons, at all and were very childish.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Flak on July 24, 2006, 12:03:52 pm
watch myself?

Ok, you've succeded in getting rid of me. See you guys, it's been an interesting 24 hours. ;)

(And Patman, you really might want to take me up on that ice cream cone, you seem a bit hot under the collar!)
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: PatMan33 on July 24, 2006, 12:09:05 pm
That's how I run with issues like this.

Just be open minded and I am super cool!
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: emmet on July 24, 2006, 01:11:54 pm
Flak I also love my PSP in all the ways you do.

To avoid being called a fanboy I also love my DS. :)
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: stuck on July 24, 2006, 01:27:24 pm
But why? Other than it looks good. Please, I have neither and I want to make a good decision if I choose to buy one.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: emmet on July 24, 2006, 01:30:32 pm
I find it very handy for the internet, no, really. In bed I use it to keep up with the american timezones. Also even though most games are terrible, the do have triumphs.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Vivec on July 24, 2006, 01:31:28 pm
But why? Other than it looks good. Please, I have neither and I want to make a good decision if I choose to buy one.

Okay. I bought a PSP first, and now I regret it. I have a DS lite now, and it is far superior, IMO. If you like sports-type games, then you are better off with a PSP, but if you want some awesomer games, get a DS.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Krakow Sam on July 24, 2006, 01:32:25 pm
He's undecided! Grab him and take him for programming!
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Danzik on July 24, 2006, 02:33:21 pm
I have both the DS and the PSP.
I travel a good deal and I'd say the PSP usually doesn't make the trip.

As far as games go, the DS has many more games; not to mention they are cheaper.
The main points, in my mind, for the PSP was the availibility of WiFi access and being able to watch movies.
However, if I've got my laptop around, why bother busting out the PSP.  Not to mention it's a real pain to type in the airport web passwords with the psp interface.
As far watching movies, it's often so much more of a pain to convert videos over to the psp format then move them to the SD card.  Not to mention the cost of the SD cards...
The DS doesn't have this capability in anyway and obviously the graphics are not on par with the PSP.
Of course, I really don't want to see the PSP die.  Depending on how good the holiday season PSP games are, I'll probably sell it to take a dent out of the Wii's cost.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: stuck on July 24, 2006, 03:49:44 pm
But I heard that they are going to include web-browsing capability for the DS. Is this true? Will I have to wait for a DS with the needed soft/hardware to come out? Or is it a cartridge? Anyways, it would be a nice plus, and it would give more reason to buy a DS. Also the typing must be pretty easy on it.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: PatMan33 on July 24, 2006, 04:00:00 pm
There is a good chance they will bring it over to the West.

Also, if you feel like it, you can import the Play-Yan device which allows you to play movies in MPEG-4 format and MP3 files.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: emmet on July 24, 2006, 04:09:48 pm
Yes there will be internet in a cartridge for DS.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Devoid on July 24, 2006, 04:17:23 pm
watch myself?

Ok, you've succeded in getting rid of me. See you guys, it's been an interesting 24 hours. ;)

(And Patman, you really might want to take me up on that ice cream cone, you seem a bit hot under the collar!)

I don't think we need anyone like this around, so not a huge loss. If the only defense for the PSP is "it feels good in my hands and looks good," then it's surely dead. I usually don't buy a game console to hold it and look at it.

But back on track, I don't think I'd ever browse the internet with a DS. I just can't imagine doing any large amount of typing with anything but a computer. And by "large" I mean making a post. Hell, I don't even like using my phone because it takes too long.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Damned_Zombie on July 24, 2006, 04:40:55 pm
I'd use a DS browser...
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Danzik on July 24, 2006, 05:01:07 pm
I had forgotten about the DS attachment for mpeg viewing.  $80 from playasia.com.
Can't imagine too many people paying that much for it.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: PatMan33 on July 24, 2006, 06:14:41 pm
Yeah... but the option is there and a lot of people forget that.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: PHI-1618 on July 24, 2006, 07:54:53 pm
My 12 year old neighbor prefers my DS though, so maybe it has something to do with age. :)

As a general rule, I would recommend that you never post something like this on the board again. Seriously. It makes you look uninformed and naive.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Krakow Sam on July 25, 2006, 06:09:38 am
There are plenty of twelve and 13 year olds who like Half-life 2. Should we then write it off as a kid's game?
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: uber fragger on July 25, 2006, 07:06:21 am
Not that the DS is kiddy or that all of its games are, but if you can't admit that nintendo seems marketed towards a more younger audience then thats your problem.  I mean I'm not saying adults can't like nintendo or that only kids buy nintendo things but they seem to have a younger audience their directed to.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: 762 on July 25, 2006, 09:11:12 am
Not that the DS is kiddy or that all of its games are, but if you can't admit that nintendo seems marketed towards a more younger audience then thats your problem.  I mean I'm not saying adults can't like nintendo or that only kids buy nintendo things but they seem to have a younger audience their directed to.

Agreed. There's no PSPuppies or anything like that. I think everyone knows that Nintendo markets to a younger demographic, but then Sony fanboys say "STFU zeldaboy. Nintendos for kiddies, go play in a sandbox or something" and then it becomes a sore spot for anyone to even mention the fact that nintendo leans more toward the kids than Sony does.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Damned_Zombie on July 25, 2006, 09:43:51 am
Nintendo does go for the younger crowd. That's why they win. Kids are easier to market to than adults.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: TheNecromonicon on July 25, 2006, 01:10:48 pm
Nintendo does go for the younger crowd. That's why they win. Kids are easier to market to than adults.

Brilliant Marketing FTW
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Devoid on July 25, 2006, 04:04:32 pm
Nintendo does go for the younger crowd. That's why they win. Kids are easier to market to than adults.

And we ALL have an inner-child, which means that Nintendo is marketing to adults at the same time. Am I right, or am I right? :-D

Actually, I like Nintendo stuff because the lighter atmosphere of many of the games (though not nearly all, Metroid Prime anyone?) is a breath of fresh air. If I want something grittier, I go back to the PC, which is the best place to go for those games.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Krakow Sam on July 26, 2006, 02:26:26 am
"Lol Mteroid Prime iz a chik! Metroid is a game 4 gurlz lol!!11!"
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: TheNecromonicon on July 26, 2006, 03:09:17 am
"Lol Mteroid Prime iz a chik! Metroid is a game 4 gurlz lol!!11!"

"Hey Jimbo!"
"What now Bob?"
"Look at what I dun found! It's a Krakow Sam! I shot it through the head with my rifle."
"Wow, what an ugly, slimy sucker. Stupid things ain't they? Not good for eatin, just throw 'her back and I'll get us some whisky yeehaw!"
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Mr. Consideration on July 26, 2006, 05:32:26 am
I own a PSP, i think it's great.

The only truly good games for it out now (IMO) Are Star Wars: Battlefront II and Wipeout. My only problem is the batteries only last 3-4 hours, other than that, i think it's awesome. Nintendo DSs look a bit ****e, TBH.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: PHI-1618 on July 26, 2006, 09:44:45 pm
I think everyone knows that Nintendo markets to a younger demographic, but then Sony fanboys say "STFU zeldaboy. Nintendos for kiddies, go play in a sandbox or something" and then it becomes a sore spot for anyone to even mention the fact that nintendo leans more toward the kids than Sony does.

I think the key thing people seem to exclude from any mention of Nintendo marketing more towards kids than Sony does is that it's not difficult to do something more than someone else when they don't do it at all. Companies in most industries, by and large, tend to want to market to everyone, not just some small, rabid demographic like what Sony does. Which is why they're idiots when it comes to sales. The moment they lack the cool mystique they've acquired over the years and the 3rd parties ditch 'em for other pastures, they'll be without lifelines. Of course that may never happen, but it seems like they are painting themselves into a corner.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: werechicken on July 26, 2006, 10:44:32 pm
Not that the DS is kiddy or that all of its games are, but if you can't admit that nintendo seems marketed towards a more younger audience then thats your problem.  I mean I'm not saying adults can't like nintendo or that only kids buy nintendo things but they seem to have a younger audience their directed to.
Actually is directed both at kids and at older people. for example games like nintendogs and brain age will appeal to an older player. Nintendo is deliberately trying to get customers who have never played a computer game before. Also more DS games seem to have an intellectual basis (brain training games, puzzle games) while the PSP seems to have far more "no-brainer" games (action, racing, etc) I don't think Nintendo is marketing at kids, theey just have a wider selection of games.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: c14dude on July 26, 2006, 11:05:31 pm
bleh nintendogs bored me, thank god i didnt go out and buy it.

i'm selling my ds and psp and all the games so i can pre-order
dead rising and finish paying off saints row....sad sad sad
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: PHI-1618 on July 27, 2006, 02:36:06 pm
bleh nintendogs bored me, thank god i didnt go out and buy it.

i'm selling my ds and psp and all the games so i can pre-order
dead rising and finish paying off saints row....sad sad sad

Mark my words, friend: You will regret this. Seriously. The DS is barely into its lifetime and it's already this huge. Think of what's to come.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Fade2gray on July 27, 2006, 05:23:16 pm
bleh nintendogs bored me, thank god i didnt go out and buy it.

i'm selling my ds and psp and all the games so i can pre-order
dead rising and finish paying off saints row....sad sad sad

Mark my words, friend: You will regret this. Seriously. The DS is barely into its lifetime and it's already this huge. Think of what's to come.

I'm still praying for Eternal darkness DS! Oh please let that day come!
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on July 30, 2006, 07:04:25 am


The only truly good games for it out now (IMO) Are Star Wars: Battlefront II and Wipeout. My only problem is the batteries only last 3-4 hours, other than that, i think it's awesome. Nintendo DSs look a bit ****e, TBH.

How many PSP games have you played?
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: stuck on July 31, 2006, 08:23:48 pm
Yet another victory for the DS! Read to find out:

In the August 7, 2006 issue of Newsweek (the newest one, with the new 9/11 movie on the cover), an article called "Tip Sheet" interviewed the OC cast to see what they would take to college. Now, I'm not a big fan of the OC, but whatever. Its good publicity.

Seth from OC lists the Nintendo DS Lite as his number one choice.

"Normally, he's a PlayStation guy, but this handheld comes with retro appeal that you can't beat. Top titles include Tetris and New Super Mario Bros. $130 for the device, $35 for games; nintendo.com"

Word for word, color for color, bold for bold  ;D
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Mr. Consideration on July 31, 2006, 11:08:41 pm
*Can check GS on his psp.*
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: stuck on August 01, 2006, 08:10:34 am
*Will check GS on DS*
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: werechicken on August 01, 2006, 11:43:07 am
*Can check GS on his psp.*
or you could buy a  GS system that works, for the cost of a PSP,
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: PHI-1618 on August 01, 2006, 03:37:37 pm
*Will check GS on DS*

And it will be easier to navigate too! =)
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: uber fragger on August 01, 2006, 08:42:24 pm
Wtf is GS?
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Devoid on August 01, 2006, 09:02:14 pm
Gaming Steve, noob! :-D
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: uber fragger on August 01, 2006, 09:50:53 pm
Gaming Steve, noob! :-D

Thats what I thought but someone said buy a GS system  ???
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Devoid on August 01, 2006, 10:20:57 pm
I think they ment a GS-ready system, like one that would run a web browser...which would indeed cost less than a PSP. If that's not what they ment, then I am equally baffled.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Mr. Consideration on August 02, 2006, 09:20:50 am
*Can check GS on his psp.*
or you could buy a  GS system that works, for the cost of a PSP,
Could it play games/music/videos. Probably.

Could i carry it around in my pocket? No.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Celdur on August 02, 2006, 11:13:51 am
cant w8 for oprah
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: PHI-1618 on August 02, 2006, 12:36:38 pm
cant w8 for oprah

I am hoping -- nay, praying, to my non-existent god -- that you meant Opera.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on August 02, 2006, 12:47:41 pm
Maybe he wants a car?
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: PHI-1618 on August 02, 2006, 12:50:09 pm
Oh, and just in case --- did you guys hear how badly LocoRoco tanked in Japan? That makes me sad. It actually looks rather good.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: PatMan33 on August 02, 2006, 12:52:19 pm
Only Nintendo can make a Nintendo game.

<_<
>_>


I don't know that just flew into my head.

 ;D
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on August 02, 2006, 12:54:14 pm
Well, it just means we have to buy more copies over here in Europe. All you Americans have to import at least two, and when the game comes out in the US, buy another two.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Celdur on August 02, 2006, 10:13:21 pm
cant w8 for oprah

I am hoping -- nay, praying, to my non-existent god -- that you meant Opera.

lol i meant that yes but i always say it like that :P (dont ask why)
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cobra on August 02, 2006, 11:36:22 pm
its been out in australia for ages I been seeing heaps of Loco Roco ads everywhere.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: PHI-1618 on August 16, 2006, 01:21:27 pm
Well, it just means we have to buy more copies over here in Europe. All you Americans have to import at least two, and when the game comes out in the US, buy another two.

I think it's pretty much dead at this point. If a fluffy, original and artistically creative title like LocoRoco can't succeed in Japan, I'd say it's basically screwed worldwide. Makes me wonder how it would have done if it'd been released on the DS.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Piloteer on August 16, 2006, 01:44:17 pm
Only Nintendo can make a Nintendo game.

<_<
>_>


I don't know that just flew into my head.

 ;D

Thanks for those words of wisdom.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: FoxSpirit on August 16, 2006, 03:46:06 pm
Oh, and just in case --- did you guys hear how badly LocoRoco tanked in Japan? That makes me sad. It actually looks rather good.

That's bad. While I don't own a PSP, that game looks really interesting and quirky.

Hmmmm... according to Kotaku Sony maybe pushed the game too hard... I could see that. Imagine if they marketed Katamary as the next big thing. This thing grew into a cult, it was not hyped there. Ah well.... too bad.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Fink on August 16, 2006, 03:49:58 pm
I got rid of all my PSP stuff for $109.

I was a week late though. They just lowered the price of trade in from $100 to $90

I'm going to ask them agian how much they would take a PSP for when the new white one comes out.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: WinterSnowblind on August 17, 2006, 12:41:40 am
Only Nintendo can make a Nintendo game.

<_<
>_>


I don't know that just flew into my head.

 ;D

I dunno, Rare are pretty good at copying them.   :P
Almost all of their games have been clones of Nintendo games, but still really good.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on August 17, 2006, 09:23:17 am
Well, it just means we have to buy more copies over here in Europe. All you Americans have to import at least two, and when the game comes out in the US, buy another two.

I think it's pretty much dead at this point. If a fluffy, original and artistically creative title like LocoRoco can't succeed in Japan, I'd say it's basically screwed worldwide. Makes me wonder how it would have done if it'd been released on the DS.

We will never know.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: PHI-1618 on August 17, 2006, 09:39:00 am
Only Nintendo can make a Nintendo game.

<_<
>_>


I don't know that just flew into my head.

 ;D

I dunno, Rare are pretty good at copying them.   :P
Almost all of their games have been clones of Nintendo games, but still really good.

I'm sorry but I don't think Rare's done a 'really good' Nintendo-esque game since they left Nintendo and hooked up with Microsoft. Take that for what you will, I haven't been impressed by anything they've done recently.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Yankeefan on August 20, 2006, 11:20:43 am
I'm hoping that the PSP will make some sort of comeback. I'm not yet ready to unload mine. I play at least one game of MLB 06 a day and I love the NAMCO Museum.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Piloteer on August 20, 2006, 12:48:39 pm
I'm sorry but I don't think Rare's done a 'really good' Nintendo-esque game since they left Nintendo and hooked up with Microsoft. Take that for what you will, I haven't been impressed by anything they've done recently.

Have you played Kameo? I've only played a tiny bit of it, but what I did play was fantastic, and the rest that I've seen looks great. It is fairly "Nintendo-esque", but even more so it is more "Rare-esque". Many people had lost faith in Rare with games like "Grabbed by the Ghoulies" and "Conker Live and Reloaded" on the Xbox. What we have seen with Kameo is that Rare still knows how to make an engaging and creative game.

Now bring on Banjo-Threeie!
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Yankeefan on August 20, 2006, 07:08:39 pm
I'm sorry but I don't think Rare's done a 'really good' Nintendo-esque game since they left Nintendo and hooked up with Microsoft. Take that for what you will, I haven't been impressed by anything they've done recently.

Have you played Kameo? I've only played a tiny bit of it, but what I did play was fantastic, and the rest that I've seen looks great. It is fairly "Nintendo-esque", but even more so it is more "Rare-esque". Many people had lost faith in Rare with games like "Grabbed by the Ghoulies" and "Conker Live and Reloaded" on the Xbox. What we have seen with Kameo is that Rare still knows how to make an engaging and creative game.

Now bring on Banjo-Threeie!

Kameo by and large is a very good game, but also very short. It was the first game I bought for my 360 and actually finished it on a friend's 360 as mine broke right away. That knucklehead got all those gamerpoints on his account. Maybe I should play it again...
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: WinterSnowblind on August 21, 2006, 12:34:22 am
Only Nintendo can make a Nintendo game.

<_<
>_>


I don't know that just flew into my head.

 ;D

I dunno, Rare are pretty good at copying them.   :P
Almost all of their games have been clones of Nintendo games, but still really good.

I'm sorry but I don't think Rare's done a 'really good' Nintendo-esque game since they left Nintendo and hooked up with Microsoft. Take that for what you will, I haven't been impressed by anything they've done recently.

I was really talking about their old games.  Banjo Kazooie being incredibly similiar to Mario 64, etc.

But yeah, Kameo was a great game, and had quite a Nintendo-ish feel about it.  Shame it was so short. 
And Viva Pinata has the same kind of feel about it, but it really depends how that game plays.  It looks like it could be a lot of fun, or something that gets boring after five minutes.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Piloteer on August 21, 2006, 12:43:27 am
I am really hoping that Viva Pinata doesn't turn out to be a kids only game. It is, after all, going to be a TV show as well, being made alongside 4Kids entertainment. I hope that Rare pulls this off, and makes it a great game, for both kids and adults alike.

Also, I am stoked for Diddy Kong Racing DS! Diddy Kong Racing for the N64 was my very first N64 games, and I have some great memories with that game. It is still a blast to play, even today. I really can't wait for its DS update.

After that, I'm really looking foreward to seeing what their next project will be. Will it be Banjo-Threeie? Or maybe a follow up to Kameo? Or maybe it will be something completely new. I can't wait to see what it is.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: PHI-1618 on August 21, 2006, 11:58:54 am
But yeah, Kameo was a great game, and had quite a Nintendo-ish feel about it.  Shame it was so short.

I thought Kameo was at best okay, and don't see the Nintendo connection at all considering the controls weren't all that tight. But everyone is different.

Quote
And Viva Pinata has the same kind of feel about it, but it really depends how that game plays.  It looks like it could be a lot of fun, or something that gets boring after five minutes.

Despite having been disappointed with Rare's last several games, I'm cautiously optimistic about Viva Pinata. So we'll see how that turns out.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cobra on August 21, 2006, 08:07:22 pm
I was really talking about their old games.  Banjo Kazooie being incredibly similiar to Mario 64, etc.

But yeah, Kameo was a great game, and had quite a Nintendo-ish feel about it.  Shame it was so short. 
And Viva Pinata has the same kind of feel about it, but it really depends how that game plays.  It looks like it could be a lot of fun, or something that gets boring after five minutes.

I hate people who say that this is simply because it's the same genre it's like saying Warcraft is riping C&C because they are both top down RTS. They are both 3D platformers where you collect stuff to progress Rare just did it better get over it.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: WinterSnowblind on August 22, 2006, 12:14:47 am
And Saint's Row is just the same genre as Grand Theft Auto, dispite all the things they clearly ripped straight from it?
I'm not saying it's a bad thing, but come on.  Banjo Kazooie was obviously based on Mario 64.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cobra on August 22, 2006, 03:14:55 am
Seriously when was the last time you saw a truely orgional idea.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: FoxSpirit on August 22, 2006, 05:59:02 am
2 months ago... Cooking Mama  :D

Wario Ware was also original... by being so many games  ;)
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Yankeefan on August 22, 2006, 08:06:47 am
A good friend went to E3 and played the Pinata game. He said get ready for a very silly game. Looking at the movies I've seen, I gotta say it doesn't look good, at least not for me.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: PHI-1618 on August 22, 2006, 08:09:52 am
I was really talking about their old games.  Banjo Kazooie being incredibly similiar to Mario 64, etc.

But yeah, Kameo was a great game, and had quite a Nintendo-ish feel about it.  Shame it was so short. 
And Viva Pinata has the same kind of feel about it, but it really depends how that game plays.  It looks like it could be a lot of fun, or something that gets boring after five minutes.

I hate people who say that this is simply because it's the same genre it's like saying Warcraft is riping C&C because they are both top down RTS. They are both 3D platformers where you collect stuff to progress Rare just did it better get over it.

Did you really just say that Rare 'did it better'? Rare made good games back in the day, but they didn't topple Nintendo's. Not once. Well, maybe with the original Conker's multiplayer but that's only because Nintendo has never really focused on that kind of stuff. But in terms of 3d platforming? Banjo wasn't better than Mario 64.

Warcraft, however, is light-years beyond C&C.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Piloteer on August 22, 2006, 11:39:46 am
I was really talking about their old games.  Banjo Kazooie being incredibly similiar to Mario 64, etc.

But yeah, Kameo was a great game, and had quite a Nintendo-ish feel about it.  Shame it was so short. 
And Viva Pinata has the same kind of feel about it, but it really depends how that game plays.  It looks like it could be a lot of fun, or something that gets boring after five minutes.

I hate people who say that this is simply because it's the same genre it's like saying Warcraft is riping C&C because they are both top down RTS. They are both 3D platformers where you collect stuff to progress Rare just did it better get over it.

Did you really just say that Rare 'did it better'? Rare made good games back in the day, but they didn't topple Nintendo's. Not once. Well, maybe with the original Conker's multiplayer but that's only because Nintendo has never really focused on that kind of stuff. But in terms of 3d platforming? Banjo wasn't better than Mario 64.

Warcraft, however, is light-years beyond C&C.

Everyone has a difference of opinion.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cobra on August 22, 2006, 05:33:04 pm
I was really talking about their old games.  Banjo Kazooie being incredibly similiar to Mario 64, etc.

But yeah, Kameo was a great game, and had quite a Nintendo-ish feel about it.  Shame it was so short. 
And Viva Pinata has the same kind of feel about it, but it really depends how that game plays.  It looks like it could be a lot of fun, or something that gets boring after five minutes.

I hate people who say that this is simply because it's the same genre it's like saying Warcraft is riping C&C because they are both top down RTS. They are both 3D platformers where you collect stuff to progress Rare just did it better get over it.

Did you really just say that Rare 'did it better'? Rare made good games back in the day, but they didn't topple Nintendo's. Not once. Well, maybe with the original Conker's multiplayer but that's only because Nintendo has never really focused on that kind of stuff. But in terms of 3d platforming? Banjo wasn't better than Mario 64.

Warcraft, however, is light-years beyond C&C.

B-K was miles better in terms of graphics level design and the music in that game is fantastic my 2nd favorite score behind Donkey Kong Country the 1st. Also characters were so much more interesting than mario was in his game.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Piloteer on August 22, 2006, 09:48:38 pm
B-K was miles better in terms of graphics level design and the music in that game is fantastic my 2nd favorite score behind Donkey Kong Country the 1st. Also characters were so much more interesting than mario was in his game.

I agree.

Mario 64 was more ground-breaking when it came out. Banjo-Kazooie was just a natural progression.



Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cobra on August 22, 2006, 10:35:19 pm
To me Mario 64 levels felt like world filled with blocks that were coloured to suit the level, compared to Banjo-Kazooie where the worlds seem designed to have the theme of the level to extend further than just a palette shift.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Piloteer on August 22, 2006, 11:19:17 pm
To me Mario 64 levels felt like world filled with blocks that were coloured to suit the level, compared to Banjo-Kazooie where the worlds seem designed to have the theme of the level to extend further than just a palette shift.

Mario 64 had themed levels as well. Mario 64 just seemed more about the pure platforming, while Banjo-Kazooie is more about the exploring. Both games are very similar, they just focus the gameplay on different aspects.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cobra on August 22, 2006, 11:37:21 pm
yeah thats true more what i was trying to get at only much better explained.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Fade2gray on August 23, 2006, 12:11:15 am
Wow. Did this thread got off track!
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Naronto on August 27, 2006, 03:44:26 pm
In my opinion the psp and any sony game product is dead for this generation for a more through look at my opinions go to http://speedyf40.libsyn.com/index.php?post_id=117652
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Fink on August 27, 2006, 08:17:51 pm
 The last nail in coffin for me was that Luminas is coming to Xbox 360.

That was about the only game I was keeping the system for, and even then I was playing less and less since I've gotten as far as I think I can go
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Naronto on August 28, 2006, 07:31:32 am
Basically the only thing keeping it alive is the GTA series , most game stores near me have dropped a large chunk of there PSP games simply because they weren't selling.
So around here unless I want to play GTA or Need for Speed I can't get a game for it really
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: PHI-1618 on August 28, 2006, 08:05:46 am
Basically the only thing keeping it alive is the GTA series , most game stores near me have dropped a large chunk of there PSP games simply because they weren't selling.
So around here unless I want to play GTA or Need for Speed I can't get a game for it really

I've noticed that as well. The PSP section in some of the local videogame stores around here is next to non-existent. Meanwhile the DS's takes up half a wall.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on August 28, 2006, 08:49:49 am
You can't really take you're local area as any indication of the state of any given product. For instance, I have yet to see a single person with a DS or PSP at the bus station where I get on my bus. I haven't seen any of them at my school either. So naturally my conclusion would be that no one has them. The shelves with PSP and DS games at most gamestores I have been to are about the same, with the PSP's being a little bigger.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: PHI-1618 on August 28, 2006, 09:25:29 am
You can't really take you're local area as any indication of the state of any given product. For instance, I have yet to see a single person with a DS or PSP at the bus station where I get on my bus. I haven't seen any of them at my school either. So naturally my conclusion would be that no one has them. The shelves with PSP and DS games at most gamestores I have been to are about the same, with the PSP's being a little bigger.

I think that's inaccurate. The bus really isn't a place where you're guaranteed to see a videogame system; a videogame store is. And I think that some aren't stocking much for the PSP anymore does speak to its relative popularity to the DS. Just like I can assume based on the iPod's presence in every electronics store on earth and some non-electronics stores that it's really popular and have that be accurate.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Devoid on August 28, 2006, 09:55:30 am
You can't really take you're local area as any indication of the state of any given product. For instance, I have yet to see a single person with a DS or PSP at the bus station where I get on my bus. I haven't seen any of them at my school either. So naturally my conclusion would be that no one has them. The shelves with PSP and DS games at most gamestores I have been to are about the same, with the PSP's being a little bigger.

I think that's inaccurate. The bus really isn't a place where you're guaranteed to see a videogame system; a videogame store is. And I think that some aren't stocking much for the PSP anymore does speak to its relative popularity to the DS. Just like I can assume based on the iPod's presence in every electronics store on earth and some non-electronics stores that it's really popular and have that be accurate.

I think his point was that you can't draw those conclusions, because your surroundings aren't representative of the consoles' performance.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Naronto on August 28, 2006, 10:03:29 am
Well not generally however if for example I notice a decline in PSP games they aren't there to be bought so sales of the PSP will take a hit.

Also when was the last time you saw a PSP advert on your television, I haven't seen any (with the exception of the black and white advert) for a good while now. However DS adverts are never of my television.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: PHI-1618 on August 28, 2006, 11:20:32 am
You can't really take you're local area as any indication of the state of any given product. For instance, I have yet to see a single person with a DS or PSP at the bus station where I get on my bus. I haven't seen any of them at my school either. So naturally my conclusion would be that no one has them. The shelves with PSP and DS games at most gamestores I have been to are about the same, with the PSP's being a little bigger.

I think that's inaccurate. The bus really isn't a place where you're guaranteed to see a videogame system; a videogame store is. And I think that some aren't stocking much for the PSP anymore does speak to its relative popularity to the DS. Just like I can assume based on the iPod's presence in every electronics store on earth and some non-electronics stores that it's really popular and have that be accurate.

I think his point was that you can't draw those conclusions, because your surroundings aren't representative of the consoles' performance.

And he's right. But to say that it's not a telling moment when videogame stores in any area shrink their PSP section down to a nearly non-existent level is inaccurate as well. Particularly when they at one time dominated the space.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on August 28, 2006, 01:34:20 pm


I think his point was that you can't draw those conclusions, because your surroundings aren't representative of the consoles' performance.

That was the point I was trying to make.



And he's right. But to say that it's not a telling moment when videogame stores in any area shrink their PSP section down to a nearly non-existent level is inaccurate as well. Particularly when they at one time dominated the space.

Well, of course, this naturally means that the PSP isn't selling as well as the DS. But we already knew this. But alot of things change from place to place and I still don't think that you can take one area's lack of a product and say that it is like that every where.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Naronto on August 28, 2006, 03:02:18 pm
You can't apply it everywhere true it does however show that if shops in a built up area where I live in Glasgow stock less games it show a trend in the market
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: PHI-1618 on August 29, 2006, 07:58:00 am

And he's right. But to say that it's not a telling moment when videogame stores in any area shrink their PSP section down to a nearly non-existent level is inaccurate as well. Particularly when they at one time dominated the space.

Well, of course, this naturally means that the PSP isn't selling as well as the DS. But we already knew this. But alot of things change from place to place and I still don't think that you can take one area's lack of a product and say that it is like that every where.

And Naronto is saying what I'm trying to say: I'm not saying that what I'm seeing is happening everywhere; I'm discussing the possibility of market trends. That's all. And in that conversation, having the supply of PSP merchandise cut down to a bare minimum is potentially important.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Naronto on August 29, 2006, 10:42:47 am
Well beyond potentially if someone can't get a PSP they won't sell
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: aname on August 29, 2006, 11:02:09 am
my friend had a psp. it still gathers dust in the corner the poor thing....
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on August 30, 2006, 08:59:24 am

And he's right. But to say that it's not a telling moment when videogame stores in any area shrink their PSP section down to a nearly non-existent level is inaccurate as well. Particularly when they at one time dominated the space.

Well, of course, this naturally means that the PSP isn't selling as well as the DS. But we already knew this. But alot of things change from place to place and I still don't think that you can take one area's lack of a product and say that it is like that every where.

And Naronto is saying what I'm trying to say: I'm not saying that what I'm seeing is happening everywhere; I'm discussing the possibility of market trends. That's all. And in that conversation, having the supply of PSP merchandise cut down to a bare minimum is potentially important.

I don't really have a comment, other then that I agree.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: c14dude on August 30, 2006, 09:15:54 am
right now is the best time to trade in a psp, theres going to be a price drop, and once that happens trade in value is gonna be low.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Danzik on August 30, 2006, 09:20:39 am
right now is the best time to trade in a psp, theres going to be a price drop, and once that happens trade in value is gonna be low.
You're right.  Considering the price of 360 games, it's really going to be only possible to buy games for one system so I think the PSP is gonna have to go...
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: c14dude on August 30, 2006, 09:22:19 am
i traded in mine, and a bunch of ps2 DS and one psp game, and after the $60 360 game i got, i also
got $96 in credit, so today i'm picking up enchanted arms
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: PHI-1618 on August 30, 2006, 09:57:27 am
i traded in mine, and a bunch of ps2 DS and one psp game, and after the $60 360 game i got, i also
got $96 in credit, so today i'm picking up enchanted arms

My lord, man, didn't you just get Saint's Row? You need another game already? ;)
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: c14dude on August 30, 2006, 09:59:21 am
actually, saints row is the 360 game i got. but enchanted arms looks well...enchanting
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Danzik on August 30, 2006, 10:00:55 am
Defiantly post up a review of Enchanted Arms when you get it.  I'd like to pick up a decent RPG for the 360 but, the reviews are mixed and somewhat far between.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: bwl2 on August 30, 2006, 01:14:00 pm
I would hate to trade in my PSP, I don't have any good games for it, and I havent seen any good games for it, but I would hate to trade in and the very next week hear about some sweet new game on it. I had regreted buying my DS the month it came out, and it took nearly a year to begin to enjoy it, if I sold now I might regret it. Of course, I don't exactly want to be stuck with a system that will simply to continue to collect dust. (Plus the idea of getting a little cash out the backend of the deal sounds nice) In short I feel torn and it feels like the clock is ticking on trading it in.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: uber fragger on August 30, 2006, 01:16:57 pm
This will add some more conversation, as if there wasn't enough already:

Link (http://www.joystiq.com/2006/08/30/newly-designed-psp-coming-in-2007/)

According to the latest issue of PlayStation Magazine, a new design of the Sony PSP will be hitting the shores of Japan around March of 2007. Here are a few of the features that are said to be included in the makeover:

    * Reached a deal with Samsung to purchase 8GB flash memory chips which will be built in according to industry reports
    * Miniature hard disk drives are out
    * Will be streamlined and thinner and lighter
    * Sony is still expected to include a still/video camera of undetermined resolution as a built-in feature of the new PSP
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: PHI-1618 on August 30, 2006, 01:20:35 pm
This will add some more conversation, as if there wasn't enough already:

Link (http://www.joystiq.com/2006/08/30/newly-designed-psp-coming-in-2007/)

According to the latest issue of PlayStation Magazine, a new design of the Sony PSP will be hitting the shores of Japan around March of 2007. Here are a few of the features that are said to be included in the makeover:

    * Reached a deal with Samsung to purchase 8GB flash memory chips which will be built in according to industry reports
    * Miniature hard disk drives are out
    * Will be streamlined and thinner and lighter
    * Sony is still expected to include a still/video camera of undetermined resolution as a built-in feature of the new PSP


****ing morons.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: aname on August 30, 2006, 04:39:31 pm
This will add some more conversation, as if there wasn't enough already:

Link (http://www.joystiq.com/2006/08/30/newly-designed-psp-coming-in-2007/)

According to the latest issue of PlayStation Magazine, a new design of the Sony PSP will be hitting the shores of Japan around March of 2007. Here are a few of the features that are said to be included in the makeover:

    * Reached a deal with Samsung to purchase 8GB flash memory chips which will be built in according to industry reports
    * Miniature hard disk drives are out
    * Will be streamlined and thinner and lighter
    * Sony is still expected to include a still/video camera of undetermined resolution as a built-in feature of the new PSP
    * It has also been annouced that the new PSP will indeed include a miniature George Forman grill
    * It will contain a laser pointer
    * Another feature is that it can transform into a cell phone
    * Can learn



fixed. :P
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cobra on August 30, 2006, 05:31:00 pm
Can it learn to have decent games or will it just keep porting ridge racer. :P
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Piloteer on August 30, 2006, 05:40:02 pm
You mean RIIIIIIIDGE RACCCCCER?
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: PHI-1618 on August 31, 2006, 07:59:08 am
Can it learn to have decent games or will it just keep porting ridge racer. :P

No, no. They're just going to keep turning it more into the Swiss Army knife of the electronics world. Could someone please sit down with the boys at Sony and, in small words, explain to them why they're losing. That would be good, thanks.

Speaking of decent games: Disgaea is coming to the PSP. Why? Because Nippon-Ichi, as brilliant as they are, are twits that can't seem to visualize anything but a Sony-colored world or how awesome Disgaea would be with a touch-screen.

So, so very awesome.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on August 31, 2006, 08:08:19 am
That new PSP thing sounds really fake to me. But I dunno. I will have to wait and see what Sony saids. Seems alittle stupid to announce now though since there are alot of PSP's that need to be sold.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: PHI-1618 on August 31, 2006, 08:10:59 am
That new PSP thing sounds really fake to me. But I dunno. I will have to wait and see what Sony saids. Seems alittle stupid to announce now though since there are alot of PSP's that need to be sold.

'Sold'? Since when does Sony measure anything by sales? It's all about what you've shipped, am I right?
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on August 31, 2006, 08:14:06 am
Sure. But it will probably piss of a lot of retailers. I dunno.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: PHI-1618 on August 31, 2006, 08:17:39 am
Sure. But it will probably piss of a lot of retailers. I dunno.

I would imagine a lot of retailers are pissed that they went to so much trouble promoting the friggin' thing only to have it not fully supported with system-selling software. I mean, that can't be fun, realizing you backed the wrong horse.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on August 31, 2006, 10:47:37 am
Gamespot (http://www.gamespot.com/news/show_blog_entry.php?topic_id=24944970&sid=6156840) helps.
Title: The PSP is Dead --- Because the DS Killed It
Post by: PHI-1618 on August 31, 2006, 10:54:55 am
Oh my god ... I have to show this on this thread. This is unreal. The following represents the Japanese sales charts for the last week, the 21st - 27th of August. Mind you, this the Top 10 Sales Chart for ALL GAMES, not just handheld or DS ones.

01 NDS FF3 - 503.051 / NEW
02 NDS NEW SMB - 65.556 / 2.901.264
03 NDS Rune Factory - 42.210 / NEW
04 NDS Brain Age 2 - 41.784 / 3.073.195
05 NDS Cooking Navi - 37.326 / 384.045
06 NDS Tamagotchi 2 - 30.504 /430.933
07 NDS Mario Basketball 3on3 - 30.355
08 NDS Animal Crossing WW - 30.023 / 3.149.131
09 NDS Brain Age - 22.866 / 2.736.150
10 NDS English Training - 17.465

That's right: the entire Top 10.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on August 31, 2006, 11:05:17 am
We all know the DS is kicking ass in Japan, it will probably continue to do so for a long time.

Still impressive though.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Celdur on August 31, 2006, 01:40:07 pm
some of the games in that list i dont even know...
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead --- Because the DS Killed It
Post by: Fink on August 31, 2006, 04:18:03 pm

10 NDS English Training - 17.465


They need to port that for some of the people on this forum

Or the illegal aliens  :P
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead --- Because the DS Killed It
Post by: PHI-1618 on September 01, 2006, 08:19:55 am

10 NDS English Training - 17.465


They need to port that for some of the people on this forum

Or the illegal aliens  :P

I'm really wanting them to send overseas a Kanji Training program. I think that would sell really well, considering how huge anime and manga are in the American culture right now.

Quote from: CoolAN
We all know the DS is kicking ass in Japan, it will probably continue to do so for a long time.

Still impressive though.

What's nice for Nintendo is that there's a decent presence of 3rd party software on that list, which hasn't been true for the DS thus far. It's true that two of those are from Square, but it doesn't rule out 3rd party games being successful if they show some competency. ;)
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead --- Because the DS Killed It
Post by: Krakow Sam on September 01, 2006, 10:35:36 am
Oh my god ... I have to show this on this thread. This is unreal. The following represents the Japanese sales charts for the last week, the 21st - 27th of August. Mind you, this the Top 10 Sales Chart for ALL GAMES, not just handheld or DS ones.

01 NDS FF3 - 503.051 / NEW
02 NDS NEW SMB - 65.556 / 2.901.264
03 NDS Rune Factory - 42.210 / NEW
04 NDS Brain Age 2 - 41.784 / 3.073.195
05 NDS Cooking Navi - 37.326 / 384.045
06 NDS Tamagotchi 2 - 30.504 /430.933
07 NDS Mario Basketball 3on3 - 30.355
08 NDS Animal Crossing WW - 30.023 / 3.149.131
09 NDS Brain Age - 22.866 / 2.736.150
10 NDS English Training - 17.465

That's right: the entire Top 10.

Also, notice those are almost all the sort of 'breakthrough' games designed to appeal to non-gamers. Nintendo are very very clever indeed.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead --- Because the DS Killed It
Post by: Piloteer on September 02, 2006, 11:40:10 am
Oh my god ... I have to show this on this thread. This is unreal. The following represents the Japanese sales charts for the last week, the 21st - 27th of August. Mind you, this the Top 10 Sales Chart for ALL GAMES, not just handheld or DS ones.

01 NDS FF3 - 503.051 / NEW
02 NDS NEW SMB - 65.556 / 2.901.264
03 NDS Rune Factory - 42.210 / NEW
04 NDS Brain Age 2 - 41.784 / 3.073.195
05 NDS Cooking Navi - 37.326 / 384.045
06 NDS Tamagotchi 2 - 30.504 /430.933
07 NDS Mario Basketball 3on3 - 30.355
08 NDS Animal Crossing WW - 30.023 / 3.149.131
09 NDS Brain Age - 22.866 / 2.736.150
10 NDS English Training - 17.465

That's right: the entire Top 10.

Also, notice those are almost all the sort of 'breakthrough' games designed to appeal to non-gamers. Nintendo are very very clever indeed.

Hey, thats true. The only two I see that are tailored more to gamers are Mario Hoops and Final Fantasy III.

Very nice.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: PHI-1618 on September 02, 2006, 11:49:16 am
Also, regarding that Top 10 list, it's estimated that no one system has controlled the entire Top 10 chart in Japan since the SNES.

And now, for some hardware figures:

DSL 163,274
PSP 29,945
PS2 21,829
GBASP 2,719
GBM 1,819
Xbox 360 1,197
GCN 837
DS 410
GBA 14
Xbox 12

Yes, ladies and gents, the GameBoy Micro is outselling the 360 in Japan.  :o
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Naronto on September 02, 2006, 01:17:17 pm
Sony need to learn that realeasing a new PsP won't help if the games are crap.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Piloteer on September 02, 2006, 01:25:58 pm
I'm still surprised at how much the DS is beating the competition. I mean, it has sold over 5x the amount as 2nd place this week.

I understand that is is popular, but, doesn't everyone in Japan have a DS by now?
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Naronto on September 02, 2006, 01:30:01 pm
Well parents and grand parents are buying the DS so they have tapped a huge market.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on September 02, 2006, 01:30:37 pm
Sony need to learn that realeasing a new PsP won't help if the games are crap.

Well, Sony has said that they aren't working on a redesigned PSP.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Piloteer on September 02, 2006, 01:33:16 pm
Sony need to learn that realeasing a new PsP won't help if the games are crap.

Well, Sony has said that they aren't working on a redesigned PSP.

Sony also said that the PS2 was going to have a web browser.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Naronto on September 02, 2006, 01:33:59 pm
Sony says lots of things
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on September 02, 2006, 01:46:45 pm
Yeah, but doesn't all companies? Nintendo said the day before the DS Lite was announced that they weren't making a redesigned version of the normal DS.

I don't know why I bring that up, since it doesn't really help my point. But on the other hand, the Lite just improved on the light and design, the PSP one would kick all the people who had brought a PSP so hard in the balls that you would be spiting blood the next couple of weeks.

Edit: This makes sense now.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Naronto on September 02, 2006, 03:36:45 pm
Not really, still no good games.

Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on September 03, 2006, 03:48:56 am
What the PSP? The PSP has loads of good games, and many more coming out.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Paradox on September 03, 2006, 04:50:09 am
Also, regarding that Top 10 list, it's estimated that no one system has controlled the entire Top 10 chart in Japan since the SNES.

And now, for some hardware figures:

DSL 163,274
PSP 29,945
PS2 21,829
GBASP 2,719
GBM 1,819
Xbox 360 1,197
GCN 837
DS 410
GBA 14
Xbox 12

Yes, ladies and gents, the GameBoy Micro is outselling the 360 in Japan.  :o

Despite the fact that Nintendo still have their biggest handheld franchise in Pokemon still to come out in Japan, surely it can't sell anymore systems. Every Japanese person must own 2 by now
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Dragon_Reborn on September 03, 2006, 06:43:32 am
What the PSP? The PSP has loads of good games, and many more coming out.
Like what?  Sony just forgot to add somthing to the PSP, the Fun factor.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Krakow Sam on September 03, 2006, 08:21:19 am
Wow. Great games... PS2 ports, Madden, RIIIIDGE RACER!... the list goes on... oh wait... no it doesnt.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on September 03, 2006, 09:42:11 am
First of, Krakow, I didn't even realize that was you until now, because I normally tell which person it is by the avatar.

Second. There are loads of great games out on the PSP right now. Burnout: Legends, Syphon Filter, Daxter ect. ect. the list goes on.

And the PSP also a very good lineup for the next year, Ace Combat X: Skies of Deception, Metal Gear Solid Portable Ops, Silent Hill Origins, and so on and so on.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Piloteer on September 04, 2006, 03:52:42 pm
Second. There are loads of great games out on the PSP right now. Burnout: Legends, Syphon Filter, Daxter ect. ect. the list goes on.

And the PSP also a very good lineup for the next year, Ace Combat X: Skies of Deception, Metal Gear Solid Portable Ops, Silent Hill Origins, and so on and so on.

lol.

Show me one of those games that are not essentially on the PS2 already.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cobra on September 04, 2006, 05:44:30 pm
How about Riiiidge racer... oh wait never mind.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on September 05, 2006, 07:35:46 am


lol.

Show me one of those games that are not essentially on the PS2 already.

First of, why do you laugh at me?

Second, I said good. I didn't say: new, unique, revolutionary. I said good. Yes it would be nice to have more new games on the PSP, but hopefully they will come soon.

Third, the DS isn't to different from the PSP on this point. A hole lot of the best DS games are from series that have appeared on Nintendo consoles before. Advanced Wars, Castlevania, Mario and Luigi Partners in time etc. alot of those games aren't to different from the previous games in their series, yet they are still praised? Why? Because they are good.

Fourth, using you're logic, couldn't I say that New Super Mario Bros. is nothing more then Super Mario Bros. with a couple of new mushrooms and mutiplayer? Not saying it is true, but that is how I understand you.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Piloteer on September 05, 2006, 07:45:05 am


lol.

Show me one of those games that are not essentially on the PS2 already.

First of, why do you laugh at me?

Second, I said good. I didn't say: new, unique, revolutionary. I said good. Yes it would be nice to have more new games on the PSP, but hopefully they will come soon.

Third, the DS isn't to different from the PSP on this point. A hole lot of the best DS games are from series that have appeared on Nintendo consoles before. Advanced Wars, Castlevania, Mario and Luigi Partners in time etc. alot of those games aren't to different from the previous games in their series, yet they are still praised? Why? Because they are good.

Fourth, using you're logic, couldn't I say that New Super Mario Bros. is nothing more then Super Mario Bros. with a couple of new mushrooms and mutiplayer? Not saying it is true, but that is how I understand you.

Yes, but all of the DS games you mentioned are actually good games.

Some, like Mario Kart, are almost identical, and that is fine, because it is a very good game. Still, there is some use to the DS' uniqueness here. Ask anyone who has played Mario Kart DS, and they will tell you how important that second screen is.

Others, however, are completely new, such as Nintendogs, or Meteos.

Still, many others are old franchise's who's gameplay is enhanced using the DS. Metroid Prime Hunters and StarFox is a great example of this.

The DS has also revived classic gaming. New Super Mario Bros. would not have done very well if it were released on GameCube. But because the 2-D platformer was released on the DS, it got high praise. The same can be said with other games like Yoshi's Island 2.

Some games don't require a complete gameplay overhaul with touch control and the like, and Nintendo realizes this. But every game on the DS does utilize its uniqueness in one form or another.

Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on September 05, 2006, 08:09:47 am


Yes, but all of the DS games you mentioned are actually good games.

So you are saying that all the games on the PSP that are part of a series, are bad?

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Some, like Mario Kart, are almost identical, and that is fine, because it is a very good game. Still, there is some use to the DS' uniqueness here. Ask anyone who has played Mario Kart DS, and they will tell you how important that second screen is.

Yes, my point exactly.

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Others, however, are completely new, such as Nintendogs, or Meteos.

As are games like Locoroco and Lumines.


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Still, many others are old franchise's who's gameplay is enhanced using the DS. Metroid Prime Hunters and StarFox is a great example of this.

And older series that have been revived look better and play as well as ever.


Quote from: Pilot4Life
The DS has also revived classic gaming. New Super Mario Bros. would not have done very well if it were released on GameCube. But because the 2-D platformer was released on the DS, it got high praise. The same can be said with other games like Yoshi's Island 2.

Of course


Quote from: Pilot4Life
Some games don't require a complete gameplay overhaul with touch control and the like, and Nintendo realizes this. But every game on the DS does utilize its uniqueness in one form or another.

Which is good, I am not saying anything bad about the DS, I am just saying that the PSP has good games to.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: PHI-1618 on September 05, 2006, 10:25:35 am
Also, regarding that Top 10 list, it's estimated that no one system has controlled the entire Top 10 chart in Japan since the SNES.

And now, for some hardware figures:

DSL 163,274
PSP 29,945
PS2 21,829
GBASP 2,719
GBM 1,819
Xbox 360 1,197
GCN 837
DS 410
GBA 14
Xbox 12

Yes, ladies and gents, the GameBoy Micro is outselling the 360 in Japan.  :o

Despite the fact that Nintendo still have their biggest handheld franchise in Pokemon still to come out in Japan, surely it can't sell anymore systems. Every Japanese person must own 2 by now

And every time Nintendo releases a DS Lite in a new color, it sells out again. My lord. That system is a juggernaut of untold,  unspeakable power. I think the Japanese are buying them at this point for the 'mood factor.'

I'm a little depressed today, think I'll play my blue DS Lite.
I'm hap-hap-happy! Pink DS Lite.
I'm meh. White DS Lite.
I want to destroy something! Black DS Lite.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Piloteer on September 05, 2006, 05:45:33 pm


Yes, but all of the DS games you mentioned are actually good games.

So you are saying that all the games on the PSP that are part of a series, are bad?


No, but many of them don't improve upon gameplay at all. At least all of the established franchises that are on the DS have recieved new gameplay elements, and a new game entirely. Many on the PSP are just rehashes of their PS2 counterparts. GTA is a perfect example of this. If Rockstar made the game take place in an entirely new city, with different gameplay elements tailored specifically to the PSP, then we will start to talk.

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Others, however, are completely new, such as Nintendogs, or Meteos.

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As are games like Locoroco and Lumines.

Yes, but I mean new gameplay elements, not just a game that hasn't appeared on a console before.

Lumines isn't too awfully original from a gameplay standpoint(though it does look like it could be a fun game).

What I mean by new isn't just that it is a game that hasn't appeared on another console before. What I mean by new is a game with new gameplay elements that I haven't seen before. Ace Combat for the PSP may not be the same as its PS2 counterparts, but it still has all of the same gameplay elements, just put into a different package.

The PSP has some good games, yes, but I haven't seen a whole lot of them with original gameplay in any way.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cobra on September 05, 2006, 08:20:15 pm
i say theres nothing wrong with Lumines from what i hear its really good but 1 game is hardly worth getting a PSP for DS has a good list of games from totally new ones to new ones in a series that expand with new gameplay elements and what not it's AAA title after AAA title. The PSP doesn't offer much in unique gaming experiance and there biggest title GTA: LCS got ported to the consol anyway.

I'm not saying there is nothing worth playing on the PSP but there isn't enough to warrent purchasing the thing for most of my game time is spent on the portable gaming as it's all i get time for yet I wouldn't add a PSP to my list right now the DS has many good games even if i got a free PSP i just wouldn't be motivated to buy any of the games out for it. Sony just made another playstation Nintendo made a portable gaming device.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on September 06, 2006, 10:31:47 am
You do make some good points, but still though. There are alot of good PSP games, though they may not have a hole lot of new gameplay, but they are still fun.

Just got Syphon Filter: Dark Mirror today, great game. And so is Lumines.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: PHI-1618 on September 06, 2006, 11:26:33 am
You do make some good points, but still though. There are alot of good PSP games, though they may not have a hole lot of new gameplay, but they are still fun.

Just got Syphon Filter: Dark Mirror today, great game. And so is Lumines.

Two games doth not a system maketh. ;)
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on September 06, 2006, 11:29:24 am
But alot do!

MWHAHAHA!
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: PHI-1618 on September 06, 2006, 11:47:24 am
But alot do!

MWHAHAHA!

But by that definition, the DS is still the better system. Because it has a lot MORE.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on September 06, 2006, 11:54:16 am
Damn you!

I don't want to talk to you to any more! :'(
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Piloteer on September 06, 2006, 05:31:46 pm
The PSP has had only 3 games that have sold over 1 million copies: Lumines, GTA, and Hot Shots Golf. For comparison's sake, I believe the DS has had 14 titles break the million mark.

Heck, Nintendogs alone has sold over 6 million copies. I knew it had done well, but 6 million? Holy crap!
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: PHI-1618 on September 07, 2006, 07:11:40 am
The PSP has had only 3 games that have sold over 1 million copies: Lumines, GTA, and Hot Shots Golf. For comparison's sake, I believe the DS has had 14 titles break the million mark.

Heck, Nintendogs alone has sold over 6 million copies. I knew it had done well, but 6 million? Holy crap!

And lets not even mention the Brain Age games. My god.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on September 07, 2006, 09:12:03 am
While I won't argue that the DS has a lot of games that have sold a lot of copies, most of them are actually Nintendo games. 3d party titles have actually done better on the PSP.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: PHI-1618 on September 07, 2006, 09:38:09 am
While I won't argue that the DS has a lot of games that have sold a lot of copies, most of them are actually Nintendo games. 3d party titles have actually done better on the PSP.

I don't have sales statistics in front of me. Could someone please post which PSP games have hit the million mark?
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Yankeefan on September 07, 2006, 10:24:03 am
The PSP has had only 3 games that have sold over 1 million copies: Lumines, GTA, and Hot Shots Golf. For comparison's sake, I believe the DS has had 14 titles break the million mark.

Heck, Nintendogs alone has sold over 6 million copies. I knew it had done well, but 6 million? Holy crap!

And lets not even mention the Brain Age games. My god.

Ugh, according to Brain Age, I'm brain dead!
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Devoid on September 07, 2006, 04:40:22 pm
While I won't argue that the DS has a lot of games that have sold a lot of copies, most of them are actually Nintendo games. 3d party titles have actually done better on the PSP.

I don't see how that's relevant. Does Sony even make games? Aren't all of their games thirdparty?
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Piloteer on September 07, 2006, 05:43:28 pm
While I won't argue that the DS has a lot of games that have sold a lot of copies, most of them are actually Nintendo games. 3d party titles have actually done better on the PSP.

I don't have sales statistics in front of me. Could someone please post which PSP games have hit the million mark?

I did in one of my previous posts.

It's Lumines, GTA, and Hot Shots Golf.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cobra on September 07, 2006, 06:35:44 pm
I'll be interested in seeing the sales stats on 3rd party DS games though.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Krakow Sam on September 08, 2006, 03:25:53 am
True Fact: Nintendogs has sold 3.62 Jillion copies in Japan. This is more than 3 million copies for everyone on earth.

So far only 2 PSPs have sold of the Eight-hundred-thousand mass produced by Sony for its release. Due to this, Sony is planning on raising the price of the PS3 to cover this loss and each basic unit will now retail for 9.8 billion dollars, with a deluxe HD and online ready pack costing in excess of 12 billion.

Nintendo are responding by giving away FREE DS lights, with the much touted 'mint' functionality.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on September 08, 2006, 07:22:56 am
While I won't argue that the DS has a lot of games that have sold a lot of copies, most of them are actually Nintendo games. 3d party titles have actually done better on the PSP.

I don't have sales statistics in front of me. Could someone please post which PSP games have hit the million mark?

Three games have hit the million mark on the psp, so far. What I was saying that 3d party titles have sold better on the PSP then the DS.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Piloteer on September 08, 2006, 07:53:22 am
Three games have hit the million mark on the psp, so far. What I was saying that 3d party titles have sold better on the PSP then the DS.

Source?
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Devoid on September 08, 2006, 10:08:22 am
While I won't argue that the DS has a lot of games that have sold a lot of copies, most of them are actually Nintendo games. 3d party titles have actually done better on the PSP.

I don't have sales statistics in front of me. Could someone please post which PSP games have hit the million mark?

Three games have hit the million mark on the psp, so far. What I was saying that 3d party titles have sold better on the PSP then the DS.

I'll repeat, Cool, all games on the PSP are third-party, aren't they?
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on September 08, 2006, 10:37:22 am
While I won't argue that the DS has a lot of games that have sold a lot of copies, most of them are actually Nintendo games. 3d party titles have actually done better on the PSP.

I don't have sales statistics in front of me. Could someone please post which PSP games have hit the million mark?

Three games have hit the million mark on the psp, so far. What I was saying that 3d party titles have sold better on the PSP then the DS.

I'll repeat, Cool, all games on the PSP are third-party, aren't they?

Pretty much yeah, but still.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on September 08, 2006, 10:38:39 am
Three games have hit the million mark on the psp, so far. What I was saying that 3d party titles have sold better on the PSP then the DS.

Source?

Look at the top selling DS games, almost all of them are Nintendo. I can't give you a source, because I am not sure where I heard it from. I know this is a very bad arguement, but I don't really have any thing else to go on here.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Devoid on September 08, 2006, 10:52:17 am
While I won't argue that the DS has a lot of games that have sold a lot of copies, most of them are actually Nintendo games. 3d party titles have actually done better on the PSP.

I don't have sales statistics in front of me. Could someone please post which PSP games have hit the million mark?

Three games have hit the million mark on the psp, so far. What I was saying that 3d party titles have sold better on the PSP then the DS.

I'll repeat, Cool, all games on the PSP are third-party, aren't they?

Pretty much yeah, but still.

No, not "but still." If a lot of people bought a PSP, they probably bought one of the best games for it. Since all of the games are third party, then all of the best games are third party, so they really didn't have a choice. It doesn't mean that third party games sold better on the PSP, since nobody picked third party over first party.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Dragon_Reborn on September 08, 2006, 01:32:14 pm
Guess what, the PSP sucks so who cares.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on September 08, 2006, 03:02:58 pm


No, not "but still." If a lot of people bought a PSP, they probably bought one of the best games for it. Since all of the games are third party, then all of the best games are third party, so they really didn't have a choice. It doesn't mean that third party games sold better on the PSP, since nobody picked third party over first party.

Not all of the games are third party, the majority is but that is only natural. Some of the best games, like Syphon Filter and Hot Shots, are published and/or made by Sony or one of their companies, and they are also some of the most successful.

But yes most of the best games are 3rd party, but that doesn't mean that there aren't any good first party games to pick up.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Piloteer on September 08, 2006, 04:27:47 pm
But first, your argument that 3rd party games sell better on the PSP than on the DS doesn't have any backing, and second, why is it a bad thing that Nintendo is backing its own portable with great software? I think the primary reason people bought a DS is because it has good games. Whether those are 3rd party or 1st party, it doesn't matter.

I just don't see why it is bad that Nintendo is backing the DS with its own great software. I see it as a great thing that Nintendo is aggresively backing its own machine.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Krakow Sam on September 08, 2006, 05:24:29 pm
But thats CHEATING  :P
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on September 09, 2006, 03:14:33 am
But first, your argument that 3rd party games sell better on the PSP than on the DS doesn't have any backing, and second, why is it a bad thing that Nintendo is backing its own portable with great software? I think the primary reason people bought a DS is because it has good games. Whether those are 3rd party or 1st party, it doesn't matter.

I just don't see why it is bad that Nintendo is backing the DS with its own great software. I see it as a great thing that Nintendo is aggresively backing its own machine.

I am not saying it is bad, not at all. I realize it might sound like that but that wasn't my intention.

My point actually was, that since the PSP still has strong support and that 3rd party games still do good on it, it can't be dead. I realize that I wasn't very clear now.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Sub on September 09, 2006, 02:17:48 pm
EA is moving most of their portable development scene over to the DS and ditching the PSP.  If you're argument was true, that wouldn't happen.  I win. 
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on September 09, 2006, 02:20:13 pm
And Ubisoft is realsing many of their greatest games on the PSP, but not on the DS.

I win.

Also, I don't think you are correct, gun to my head I can't think of a single EA games exclusive to the DS. I can't for the PSP either but that is because doesn't do exclusives.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Piloteer on September 09, 2006, 02:34:26 pm
And Ubisoft is realsing many of their greatest games on the PSP, but not on the DS..

Such as Splinter Cell: Essentials?

 :D
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on September 09, 2006, 02:39:28 pm
Actually I was talking about Brothers in Arms and Rainbow Six: Vegas. As well as some of the games they have published like Lumines and Field Commander (I think it was only published by them in Europe, IE here)

Even though most EA games on the PSP haven't been that great either.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: uber fragger on September 09, 2006, 02:52:23 pm
EA sucks, they were complaining about the PSP and saying how the DS was a better platform and they would support the DS more.  I mean all of EA games sucked on the PSP for the most part.  EA shouldn't be complaining when they make utter **** for games.  Example, when madden came out it was full of bugs and would crash all the time, their "work around" was to NOT download the roster updates that EA provided.  WTF, their own updates worsen the game?  I'm not sure if they ever fixed it but I think they even recalled the discs.  EA makes crappy games and acts as if the only reason people didn't buy them for the PSP was the PSP's fault. /end rant.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on September 09, 2006, 03:08:19 pm
I agree with fragger, EA don't really have the right to complain about the PSP when they don't even take the time to make some good games for it.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: stuck on September 09, 2006, 03:33:50 pm
Not like it matters, they're all just ports anyway. (minus a few)

I win.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on September 09, 2006, 03:37:31 pm
You're a fish.

I win.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: stuck on September 09, 2006, 03:40:11 pm
Damn. You're right.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Krakow Sam on September 09, 2006, 03:54:25 pm
Actually I was talking about Brothers in Arms and Rainbow Six: Vegas. As well as some of the games they have published like Lumines and Field Commander (I think it was only published by them in Europe, IE here)

Oh, so they havent figured out that FPSs dont work very well on a handheld.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on September 09, 2006, 03:57:35 pm
Not yet. But neither has EA so it all evens out.

I am actually optimistic about BOA and Vegas, but I will probably be disappointed.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Piloteer on September 09, 2006, 04:53:22 pm
Actually I was talking about Brothers in Arms and Rainbow Six: Vegas.

First of all, those games haven't been shown much yet, so it is a bit pre-mature to form an opinion on them; especially Vegas, which was just announced for the system yesterday.

Second, why would I buy the PSP versions of these games when I can get a much better, fuller game on my console?

I am actually optimistic about BOA and Vegas, but I will probably be disappointed.

You just said that these are some of the greatest games Ubisoft is releasing, and now you're saying they will probably suck? :D

Oh, so they havent figured out that FPSs dont work very well on a handheld.

Not on a PSP. First Person Shooters on the DS, however, are a viable possiblity. Metroid Prime: Hunters is evidence of this. The game controls as well as a PC mouse using the DS' touch screen, and is overall just a ton of fun to play.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Sub on September 09, 2006, 09:15:55 pm
Not on a PSP. First Person Shooters on the DS, however, are a viable possiblity. Metroid Prime: Hunters is evidence of this. The game controls as well as a PC mouse using the DS' touch screen, and is overall just a ton of fun to play.

It hurt my hands a bit, but it controlled a lot better than what the PSP could ever pull off.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on September 10, 2006, 05:49:29 am


First of all, those games haven't been shown much yet, so it is a bit pre-mature to form an opinion on them; especially Vegas, which was just announced for the system yesterday.

Second, why would I buy the PSP versions of these games when I can get a much better, fuller game on my console?

First of, I said that when talking about Ubisoft supporting the PSP. I didn't say if they were gonna be good or not. I said their greatest games, but I probably should have said their biggest franchises instead.

Second, you can't take a console around. If you are on the go alot, and don't have enough time to play you're consoles, then this is the best option. I could just as well ask you why you would want to buy Advanced Wars for the DS when you can get Battalion Wars for the Gamecube, or in the future, the Wii.

Quote from: Pilot4Life

You just said that these are some of the greatest games Ubisoft is releasing, and now you're saying they will probably suck? :D


See my above statement. Also, like I said I am optimistic, but FPS's haven't been done very well on either handheld yet, besides Huntes.

Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: stuck on September 10, 2006, 09:24:45 am
From what I've seen of  the PSP, it can only be called a handheld because it has its own screen and battery. It has long loading times, short battery life, and console ports.  So, you might as well take a console around, at least you'll get a gaming experience. PSP is only for first hour study hall and home.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on September 10, 2006, 10:28:35 am
While some games do have long load times, there are a lot that don't and even if they do their levels are so big that it really isn't a problem.

Console ports is some thing every thing has. However like I have said the DS also has alot of games that, could also be considered ports.

Battery life is a highly overrated issue. Since the only places where you wouldn't have electricity for over 6 hours is some place where you probably shouldn't be playing any way.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: stuck on September 10, 2006, 10:37:34 am
Train rides, car rides, school, airplane rides, log cabins, at other's houses when you forget the charger. IMO, those are the best places to play handhelds.

While console ports are common, the PSP has much more (and much more similiar) console ports.

Even though a level is long, you need short load times for when you are, say, waiting for a bus. You're not going to wait 40 seconds to load a level that you'll spend maybe a few minutes playing. Length of a level should not be measured by how long it is, but rather by how long you have to play it.

Most agree that the PSP is not nearly as portable as the DS Lite.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on September 10, 2006, 10:59:05 am
You can buy adators for cars and I assume trains and airplanes. I haven't been in a train lately, and never been in a plane so I wouldn't know. However I know from experience that you probably gonna want to take a break from playing if you're trip is over 6 hours long. Besides, if such long trips are a normal thing for a person, investing in a external battery for the PSP might be a good idea. Since they have alot more power but aren't as portable.

No argument there.

Maybe this is just me, but I have never really understood why you would want to play for such a short while. If you know you're bus is coming soon, and it takes more then ten minutes to get to you're destination, then it might be a good idea to simply wait until the bus comes and play there. I ride with the bus everyday, and I haven't had this as a problem yet. Then again my bus rides take around an hour, so it may just be me.

Sorry if there are a lot of grammatic mistakes, I am in a hurry.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Piloteer on September 10, 2006, 12:28:11 pm
I could just as well ask you why you would want to buy Advanced Wars for the DS when you can get Battalion Wars for the Gamecube, or in the future, the Wii.

Whoa whoa! Advance Wars and Battalion Wars are two very different games. Sure, they share the same type of setting and art style, but that is where the similarities end. Advance Wars is a turn-based tactical strategy game. Battalion Wars is a real time stategy game with shooter/combat mixed in. Two very different games.

Quote
See my above statement. Also, like I said I am optimistic, but FPS's haven't been done very well on either handheld yet, besides Huntes.

Well, considering Hunters is the only FPS I've seen released on the DS, and considering it was pulled off so well, I would say that the DS is 1/1 as far as FPS' go.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on September 10, 2006, 12:52:29 pm

Whoa whoa! Advance Wars and Battalion Wars are two very different games. Sure, they share the same type of setting and art style, but that is where the similarities end. Advance Wars is a turn-based tactical strategy game. Battalion Wars is a real time stategy game with shooter/combat mixed in. Two very different games.


I know, a bad exsample. A much better one would be Fire Emblem, since they are both turn based tactical games.



Well, considering Hunters is the only FPS I've seen released on the DS, and considering it was pulled off so well, I would say that the DS is 1/1 as far as FPS' go.

So far yes, that is actually one of reasons I haven't been backing the DS that much. That and the lack of RTS games when there is so much potential really ruins it for me.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cobra on September 10, 2006, 06:47:22 pm
You can buy adators for cars and I assume trains and airplanes. I haven't been in a train lately, and never been in a plane so I wouldn't know. However I know from experience that you probably gonna want to take a break from playing if you're trip is over 6 hours long. Besides, if such long trips are a normal thing for a person, investing in a external battery for the PSP might be a good idea. Since they have alot more power but aren't as portable.

No argument there.

Maybe this is just me, but I have never really understood why you would want to play for such a short while. If you know you're bus is coming soon, and it takes more then ten minutes to get to you're destination, then it might be a good idea to simply wait until the bus comes and play there. I ride with the bus everyday, and I haven't had this as a problem yet. Then again my bus rides take around an hour, so it may just be me.

Sorry if there are a lot of grammatic mistakes, I am in a hurry.

Seriously you seem tohave completely missed the point of portable gaming you might as well just invest in a ps2 with an LCD screen attachment if you are just going to plug it in a wall/car/plane all the time. the idea of portablitiy is you can play anywhere and you don't need to be teathered to power cable to keep the game going. Seriously if they are forcing you to spend extra money to keep bying attachments to just keep the game playable you are getting ripped off.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on September 11, 2006, 09:49:29 am
It doesn't need all those thing. I am just saying that if you are afraid that it is gonna be problem then it can easily be solved while only using very little extra money. The PSP has more then enough power of most car and train trips, I was merely suggesting solutions if it were to be a problem.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: PHI-1618 on September 11, 2006, 09:59:17 am
Though I don't agree with him on his assessment of the handheld market, Cool AN has stuck to his guns and I respect that. :)

I understand that people like to bash EA. Yes, they've released crap on the PSP, but they have said that with the DS they are going to be releasing more original content due to the unique interface. That was mentioned very specifically in their press release detailing their defection from the PSP's camp.

As for there not being that many strategy games on the DS: Advance Wars is the best strategy handheld series ever with the exception of Fire Emblem. Both series will only be on Nintendo's system. Not much, I know, but it's a start. And to claim that the PSP has it beat in this arena is nuts.

If I recall, there was actually another FPS released on the DS but it did nothing in the market and was basically forgotten immediately. It wasn't very good by most accounts I can remember. But Hunters did prove you could play a FPS on a handheld and do so exceedingly well. If you purchase a custom stylus for $5, you could cut down the discomfort from long sessions with it to nil. I would recommend the ComfortStylus in that regard.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on September 11, 2006, 10:19:40 am
Gotta to stick to what you believe.

I don't really understand EA on this. They say they are gonna focus on the DS more, but they just announced a high profile game for the PSP and nothing for the DS yet.

I don't think anyone has said that the PSP has beaten the DS in strategy game, yet anyways.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: PHI-1618 on September 11, 2006, 11:29:05 am
I don't really understand EA on this. They say they are gonna focus on the DS more, but they just announced a high profile game for the PSP and nothing for the DS yet.

That's because they just announced the switch in direction, and they had already had tons of PSP games in development beforehand. We won't hear much about their DS support in terms of specific games till possibly Q2 2007.

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I don't think anyone has said that the PSP has beaten the DS in strategy game, yet anyways.

But I thought you made an earlier comment regarding the lack of strategy games on the DS being a prime reason why you felt it was being 'wasted' and it seemed to me that it was a vital reason to your handheld selection if you felt that strongly about it. In which case, your choice of PSP seemed odd considering it definitely doesn't win in that genre. If I'm wrongfully paraphrasing you, please correct me.

Also: Yes, Fire Emblem and Advance Wars have a lot more in common but that has a lot to do with Intelligent Systems developing them both. That said, I prefer Fire Emblem due to the amazing story elements.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on September 11, 2006, 12:11:19 pm


That's because they just announced the switch in direction, and they had already had tons of PSP games in development beforehand. We won't hear much about their DS support in terms of specific games till possibly Q2 2007.

Makes sense.

Quote from: PHI-1618
But I thought you made an earlier comment regarding the lack of strategy games on the DS being a prime reason why you felt it was being 'wasted' and it seemed to me that it was a vital reason to your handheld selection if you felt that strongly about it. In which case, your choice of PSP seemed odd considering it definitely doesn't win in that genre. If I'm wrongfully paraphrasing you, please correct me.

I actually meant RTS games, since there isn't really a shortage of turn based strategy games on either handheld.

Quote from: PHI-1618
Also: Yes, Fire Emblem and Advance Wars have a lot more in common but that has a lot to do with Intelligent Systems developing them both. That said, I prefer Fire Emblem due to the amazing story elements.

I haven't played either, though I really want to.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Piloteer on September 11, 2006, 05:17:35 pm
Though I don't agree with him on his assessment of the handheld market, Cool AN has stuck to his guns and I respect that. :)

But it is never a bad thing to change your opinion based on what you feel then and there. A lot of people thought the PS3 was amazing at E3 2005, but not so now. What if all of those people "stuck to their guns"?
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: stuck on September 11, 2006, 06:01:45 pm
Yes, there is a difference between sticking to your guns and just being a ferrous cranium. But CoolAN has been sticking with them, so far.

Are there even turn-based strategy games for the PSP? But yes, I would definately like to see an RTS for the DS. I think that a succesgul RTS is made with the mouse, and the stylus  is the closest thing.

And the "Very little extra money" seems to be another 20-50 dollars, bringing the PSP (We really mean the P this time) at 230-250 dollars.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cobra on September 11, 2006, 09:22:57 pm
Yeah when you see how much the PSP is already costing you you don't want to be spending extra money here and there that you don't want to be.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Piloteer on September 12, 2006, 12:27:30 am
But yes, I would definately like to see an RTS for the DS. I think that a succesgul RTS is made with the mouse, and the stylus  is the closest thing.

Panzar Tactics is a WWII RTS coming to DS in Q4 this year (I think).

It looks a bit mediocre, but who knows?
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on September 12, 2006, 07:53:18 am
Though I don't agree with him on his assessment of the handheld market, Cool AN has stuck to his guns and I respect that. :)

But it is never a bad thing to change your opinion based on what you feel then and there. A lot of people thought the PS3 was amazing at E3 2005, but not so now. What if all of those people "stuck to their guns"?

I was one of those people. I still think the PS 3 is gonna be good, but defiantly not amazing, and all the things that Sony have done defiantly haven't helped it. I realize this might seem strange coming from me, but despite some things I have said, I am not really a Sony fanboy, I just enjoy their products.

Yes, there is a difference between sticking to your guns and just being a ferrous cranium. But CoolAN has been sticking with them, so far.

Yay

Quote from: stuckin2004
Are there even turn-based strategy games for the PSP? But yes, I would definately like to see an RTS for the DS. I think that a succesgul RTS is made with the mouse, and the stylus  is the closest thing.

Field Commander, Metal Gear Ac!d 1 and two, and some Japanese hybrids. But I can't remember what they are called.

Quote from: stuckin2004
And the "Very little extra money" seems to be another 20-50 dollars, bringing the PSP (We really mean the P this time) at 230-250 dollars.

20 to 30 dollars seem about right, but then again, I am using European prices so what do I know?
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: PHI-1618 on September 12, 2006, 08:32:28 am
Though I don't agree with him on his assessment of the handheld market, Cool AN has stuck to his guns and I respect that. :)

But it is never a bad thing to change your opinion based on what you feel then and there. A lot of people thought the PS3 was amazing at E3 2005, but not so now. What if all of those people "stuck to their guns"?

Then they'll likely be happy or disappointed, or both. But that's their choice. As much as I give Sony hell for their seemingly rampant stupidity, I'm not going to say that buying a PS3 is stupid. There will be very good games on it, possibly even amazing ones. And if Cool AN is genuinely enjoying his PSP, I don't see how we can tell him he isn't.

Also, Cool AN, if you want to play a Fire Emblem game at least, you might consider picking up Path of Radiance for the GC. It kicks all kinds of butt. FF butt even. And any other game's butt. Except for Shadow of the Colossus. 'Cause Shadow's butt is unkickable.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on September 12, 2006, 08:53:46 am
I am actually considereing buying a PS 2, since I don't really want to spend 940 dollars on a high end PS 3. So I could just buy a PS 2, enjoy it, and then buy a PS 3 when it drops in price.

Also I do enjoy my PSP. I would like to say more but I have to go.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cobra on September 12, 2006, 06:47:42 pm

I was one of those people. I still think the PS 3 is gonna be good, but defiantly not amazing, and all the things that Sony have done defiantly haven't helped it. I realize this might seem strange coming from me, but despite some things I have said, I am not really a Sony fanboy, I just enjoy their products.


While we are at it it I'm not an Australian i was just born and live here.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on September 13, 2006, 06:49:12 am

I was one of those people. I still think the PS 3 is gonna be good, but defiantly not amazing, and all the things that Sony have done defiantly haven't helped it. I realize this might seem strange coming from me, but despite some things I have said, I am not really a Sony fanboy, I just enjoy their products.


While we are at it it I'm not an Australian i was just born and live here.

Say what you want, but I don't consider myself a Sony fanboy.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: PHI-1618 on September 13, 2006, 08:26:36 am

I was one of those people. I still think the PS 3 is gonna be good, but defiantly not amazing, and all the things that Sony have done defiantly haven't helped it. I realize this might seem strange coming from me, but despite some things I have said, I am not really a Sony fanboy, I just enjoy their products.


While we are at it it I'm not an Australian i was just born and live here.

Say what you want, but I don't consider myself a Sony fanboy.

I buy that. I owned every Sega system other than the Saturn and I never considered myself a Sega fanboy either. I am, however, a Nintendo fanboy and damned proud of it.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on September 13, 2006, 10:31:37 am
I am actually turning into a Nintendo fanboy, as it seems everyone in the world is.

WELCOME ME!
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Danzik on September 13, 2006, 10:38:30 am
I am actually turning into a Nintendo fanboy, as it seems everyone in the world is.
WELCOME ME!
Sorry, we're full right now.  There's room over there with
the commodore 64 fanboys though.  ;)
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on September 13, 2006, 02:00:43 pm
Damn, I don't even think I have even seen a commondore 64.

Well, you take what you get.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cobra on September 13, 2006, 05:04:14 pm
I think the thing about fan boy-ism is you don't have the right to deny that you are one it's more up to the masses who have come to notice you constantly sing the praises of something.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: NRG753 on September 13, 2006, 05:30:44 pm
I just picked up on using my PSP again, damn Syphon Filter is a nice game. Oh and also *coughhomebrewdevhookcough*. I'm a fanboy of nothing, nothing at all :P I'm switching to a Core 2  and my last intel was a P200, and I'm also getting my first ATi in a few days.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on September 14, 2006, 08:28:54 am
I think the thing about fan boy-ism is you don't have the right to deny that you are one it's more up to the masses who have come to notice you constantly sing the praises of something.

I don't praise Sony, I simply defend them when I feel the need to do so. Else wise I won't post since I have nothing to add to the topic or I agree. Or say some thing stupid, whichever comes first.

I just picked up on using my PSP again, damn Syphon Filter is a nice game. Oh and also *coughhomebrewdevhookcough*. I'm a fanboy of nothing, nothing at all :P I'm switching to a Core 2  and my last intel was a P200, and I'm also getting my first ATi in a few days.

Yeah Syphon Filter is great, I hope they make another because it would be amazing.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Krakow Sam on September 14, 2006, 05:06:46 pm
I think the thing about fan boy-ism is you don't have the right to deny that you are one it's more up to the masses who have come to notice you constantly sing the praises of something.

I don't praise Sony, I simply defend them when I feel the need to do so. Else wise I won't post since I have nothing to add to the topic or I agree. Or say some thing stupid, whichever comes first.

Nah. Youre a fanboy.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on September 15, 2006, 06:42:32 am
Well, you're a doodyhead.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: PHI-1618 on September 15, 2006, 07:57:37 am
I think the thing about fan boy-ism is you don't have the right to deny that you are one it's more up to the masses who have come to notice you constantly sing the praises of something.

I don't think Cool AN qualifies as a Sony fanboy then. Taking a counterpoint in a topic where there would be no conversation otherwise doesn't make you a fanboy; it makes you considerate of the fact that if you weren't taking the counterpoint, we would all have said, "DS rulz! PSP olol" and been done with it.


Which is less interesting.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on September 16, 2006, 03:39:31 am
The truth is that you need people like me. To spice things up ;)
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Dragon_Reborn on September 16, 2006, 06:56:19 pm
By spicing things up you mean trying to make a suken ship float???
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cobra on September 16, 2006, 09:51:51 pm
The truth is that you need people like me. To spice things up ;)

You say that like you being a sony fanboy is a bad thing.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on September 17, 2006, 05:38:35 am
You are confusing me.

Goodday sir!
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: PHI-1618 on September 18, 2006, 09:45:44 am
My god, this thread is still going. Cool AN has to be the greatest poster of all time to have inspired this level of turnout.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on September 18, 2006, 12:14:52 pm
Well I don't like to brag.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Yankeefan on September 18, 2006, 09:33:29 pm
Yup, three cheers...
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Fade2gray on September 23, 2006, 07:34:39 pm
Heh, I was just noticing that this thread never seems to die myself! :D
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: PHI-1618 on September 25, 2006, 02:55:10 pm
Cool AN, you get to put as your sig "Greatest Poster Ever".

Go ahead.

You're allowed.

But we'll hate you for it.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: uber fragger on October 11, 2006, 03:32:18 pm
Man this thread has been going on forever!  I can't believe I posted 1 article and the discussion went on this long!
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on October 12, 2006, 11:09:19 am
It's longer then any of my theards have ever lasted.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: PHI-1618 on October 12, 2006, 12:27:37 pm
(http://www.flishfun.com/photos/albums/userpics/10001/stop-posting.gif)
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: uber fragger on October 12, 2006, 06:42:03 pm
(http://www.flishfun.com/photos/albums/userpics/10001/stop-posting.gif)

Stop posting what? :p

Back on topic, I'll just say that the PSP has some kick ass games coming like Gitaroo man and stuff but then sony is retarded and releasing Parappa the Rappa on UMD when their coming out with a PS1 emulater this holiday which will, presumably, have that game on the list for cheaper.  Wtf  ???
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on October 13, 2006, 06:30:59 am
Well since it is gonna some Wi Fi features, I assume they are gonna push that as the big reasons of buying it.

Besides theres are a hole lot of people who don't like buying games at online shops yet, let alone buying it without any kind of disc. A lot of people probably aren't online either.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Met on October 26, 2006, 07:15:37 pm
Although... I would love to play a new Final Fantasy on a Nintendo console... WHERE IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE!

I know i'm quoting an old post...

But I completely agree.

and yes, to act like a 14 year old (good ignorant times) i'm gonna have to say PSP is simply gonna die... A pity for sony... but I've never had any love for their games...
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: bwl2 on December 05, 2006, 06:30:36 pm
I have chosen to keep my PSP after much thought... I figure if anything good comes out for it Ill kick myself. Theres a new (non card based) Metal Gear with some serious strategy elements coming out for it today. Of course I'm not going to run out and buy it now, but I am going to buy it.  :P  check out gamespot.com for their "preview" of the game. I havent checked to see if they have the full blown review though.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Met on December 12, 2006, 07:32:31 pm
I have chosen to keep my PSP after much thought... I figure if anything good comes out for it Ill kick myself. Theres a new (non card based) Metal Gear with some serious strategy elements coming out for it today. Of course I'm not going to run out and buy it now, but I am going to buy it.  :P  check out gamespot.com for their "preview" of the game. I havent checked to see if they have the full blown review though.

I never throw away or sell or trade in or anything to my game consoles myself. One day, they'll put a new Zelda game on the NES or GameBoy (original). Just for kicks. And I'll be one of the few with his NES or GameBoy to play it. Yep. They both work just fine still (strangely)
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on December 13, 2006, 06:10:07 am
Once I get really old I will find my old PS 1 and shown it to my grandkids (if I ever get any) just to watch their expressions.

"Wow, you actually played on that thing?"
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: PHI-1618 on December 13, 2006, 08:11:16 am
Once I get really old I will find my old PS 1 and shown it to my grandkids (if I ever get any) just to watch their expressions.

"Wow, you actually played on that thing?"

I do that with my Atari now.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on December 13, 2006, 08:13:51 am
Once I get really old I will find my old PS 1 and shown it to my grandkids (if I ever get any) just to watch their expressions.

"Wow, you actually played on that thing?"

I do that with my Atari now.

Wow you're old.

I am joking.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: PHI-1618 on December 13, 2006, 01:53:16 pm
Once I get really old I will find my old PS 1 and shown it to my grandkids (if I ever get any) just to watch their expressions.

"Wow, you actually played on that thing?"

I do that with my Atari now.

Wow you're old.

I am joking.

No, you aren't, you persnickety little lameass. I should take one of these Atari joysticks and shove it where the sun don't shine! Hell, when I was a kid, we had to walk five miles uphill both ways, snow or sleet or hail, to play our videogames! You young'ns get Steam and Blockbusters and Gamefly and stupid download stations in Wal-Marts. Analog sticks and wireless controls, motion-sensing. Using the old Atari sticks made a man out of you! Took muscle to get those damn things to the side.

EDIT: Oh, and to sum up the proper answer to this topic once and for all: The DS has Dragon Quest. Game Over.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on December 13, 2006, 02:03:17 pm

No, you aren't, you persnickety little lameass. I should take one of these Atari joysticks and shove it where the sun don't shine! Hell, when I was a kid, we had to walk five miles uphill both ways, snow or sleet or hail, to play our videogames! You young'ns get Steam and Blockbusters and Gamefly and stupid download stations in Wal-Marts. Analog sticks and wireless controls, motion-sensing. Using the old Atari sticks made a man out of you! Took muscle to get those damn things to the side.

Whatever you say old man. Besides, I live in the middle of nowhere Europe, I have to order everything online or drive 500 km in a carriage to get to the nearest town center. Where I might find a local merchant who has goods from the big city.


Quote from: PHI-1618
EDIT: Oh, and to sum up the proper answer to this topic once and for all: The DS has Dragon Quest. Game Over.

Meh. I know it is a big deal, and everything, what with Japan being as addicted to it as they are to anime porn. But still who doesn't have a DS in Japan by this point?
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: PHI-1618 on December 14, 2006, 04:47:13 am
Meh. I know it is a big deal, and everything, what with Japan being as addicted to it as they are to anime porn. But still who doesn't have a DS in Japan by this point?

I think you're missing the point. It's not simply about Dragon Quest; it's about the fact that the most beloved gaming series in all of Japan is going exclusively to the DS. What this does is make other game developers follow suit. Where DQ goes, the rest of the world goes. And if you think everyone in Japan has a DS already, just wait till the game is released: Everyone and their dog will have three -- the DS Lite, the FF-themed one, and a special DQ-themed model Nintendo is inevitably going to release.

This news is being treated in most places as one of the biggest gaming coups since FF VII was announced for the PlayStation. That is huge.

If you don't agree, that's cool. Opinions are opinions are opinions. But, for me: The moment S-E made that announcement, I went from thinking the PSP was surviving to believing S-E just stabbed it (and Sony, on the whole) in the heart, twisted the blade, and broke it off inside their chest.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on December 14, 2006, 07:03:32 am
I know it is a big deal, I just don't care that much. There really isn't a counter argument against it because it is a big deal for the Japanese market but, in my mind anyway, people in Japan are so crazy about the DS as it is I can't see it making that big of a difference. I know that Dragon Quest is the RPG over there but I really can't see this effecting to many western buyers. All the same it isn't like Square Enix suddenly stopped supporting the PS 3 or PSP because of this, it just means that they are doing a wise decision by making a very beloved game for one of the top selling consoles in years.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: PHI-1618 on December 14, 2006, 07:17:01 am
12.5 million DSs have sold in Japan as of November 2006. The country has a population of 128 million. There's still room for improvement.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on December 14, 2006, 07:36:11 am
I know but still how many of those aren't already gamers who were gonna buy Dragon Quest anyway?
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: PHI-1618 on December 14, 2006, 09:06:41 am
I know but still how many of those aren't already gamers who were gonna buy Dragon Quest anyway?

I'd say, honestly, a decent portion. My guess, and this is just a guess mind you, is that many Japanese gamers initially picked up PSPs assuming that all the major franchises would be coming to that handheld. The DS really didn't set the world on fire in the beginning. So I'd wager there are a large number of people in Japan that own a PSP that will be buying a DS now due to DQ IX being announced for it. There is going to be a noticeable increase in DS sales due to this announcement.

Well, there would be .... if Nintendo could keep the supply up to the demand, but that's almost impossible at this juncture.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on December 14, 2006, 10:05:10 am
That could be. But I don't know.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: SBD on December 21, 2006, 12:15:40 am
well mine is dead. I sold it as well as 4 games and a movie to EB for 244 bucks.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on December 22, 2006, 05:39:37 am
According to this article (http://www.mcvuk.com/PSP-to-hit-1m-UK-sales-in-2006) the PSP is the second best selling console this year, behind the DS. Of course I can't really figure out if they are basing this on sales numbers, or Sony's promised "one million sold units by the end of the year". Keep in mind this is in the UK not the US.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: PHI-1618 on December 22, 2006, 08:54:51 am
According to this article (http://www.mcvuk.com/PSP-to-hit-1m-UK-sales-in-2006) the PSP is the second best selling console this year, behind the DS. Of course I can't really figure out if they are basing this on sales numbers, or Sony's promised "one million sold units by the end of the year". Keep in mind this is in the UK not the US.

I could see that in Europe. A little shocked that the PS2 didn't sell more than the PSP though. Hmm.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on December 22, 2006, 09:13:35 am
Well Europe is Sony ground, and to my knowledge, the PSP isn't that far behind the DS in the US (two million I think). It is Japan that is really letting the PSP out in the cold and buying the DS as if it were a cure for cancer.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: PHI-1618 on December 22, 2006, 09:19:38 am
Well Europe is Sony ground, and to my knowledge, the PSP isn't that far behind the DS in the US (two million I think). It is Japan that is really letting the PSP out in the cold and buying the DS as if it were a cure for cancer.

IIRC, isn't the DS also beating the PSP somewhat handedly in Europe? Nintendo has moved about 9 million units there. As for the US: Not too long ago, the PSP was beating the DS; for it to now be 2 million up on it is pretty impressive in such a small amount of time.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on December 22, 2006, 09:24:01 am
As I said I don't know (actually I didn't I should have though since I don't). It could be 2 million, could be 500k. The DS is doing rather well in Europe, though to my knowledge (again I am not sure) the PSP is doing rather well to.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: PHI-1618 on December 22, 2006, 09:29:33 am
As I said I don't know (actually I didn't I should have though since I don't). It could be 2 million, could be 500k. The DS is doing rather well in Europe, though to my knowledge (again I am not sure) the PSP is doing rather well to.

That's cool: But I don't see the PSP's situation improving elsewhere.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on December 22, 2006, 09:42:49 am
Japan is lost to us. Very soon it will sharp into a giant "N".
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: PHI-1618 on December 22, 2006, 09:59:36 am
Japan is lost to us. Very soon it will sharp into a giant "N".

Japan and soon ----- THE WORLD!!
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on December 22, 2006, 12:07:53 pm
(Insert evil laughter here)
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: PatMan33 on June 08, 2007, 08:29:54 am
Well, here is some semi-confirmation (http://kotaku.com/gaming/rumor/psp-slim-details-revealed-267108.php) on the PSP redesign...
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: emmet on June 08, 2007, 08:38:38 am
After Sony Hardware bricked my PSP, I think the PSP deserves death!
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on June 08, 2007, 11:19:58 am
Just call Sony for god's sake. Sony is probably gonna get you a new one right away.

Also the "confirmation" is pretty much the same rumor that was spread around some 7 months ago, or some thing.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Piloteer on June 08, 2007, 12:10:45 pm
Also the "confirmation" is pretty much the same rumor that was spread around some 7 months ago, or some thing.

Only this "confirmation" is just that:confirmation! :P
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: emmet on June 08, 2007, 12:12:51 pm
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Just call Sony for god's sake. Sony is probably gonna get you a new one right away.

I have other real-world worries too, plus tomorrow I'm going on vacation.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on June 08, 2007, 12:47:16 pm
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Just call Sony for god's sake. Sony is probably gonna get you a new one right away.

I have other real-world worries too, plus tomorrow I'm going on vacation.

Do it when you get home then.

Also the "confirmation" is pretty much the same rumor that was spread around some 7 months ago, or some thing.

Only this "confirmation" is just that:confirmation! :P

That is why there is a little "rumor" at the top of the article. They have confirmed that a new PSP is coming, but not much else.

Besides they even say this:

Quote from: Kotaku
Today, thanks to several sources close to Sony, we bring you that nitty gritty as the redesigned Playstation Portable nears completion.

Obviously they can't reveal those source, but until I see all the things they are promising on a document from Sony, I am still taking it with a grain of salt.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: WinterSnowblind on June 09, 2007, 06:07:45 am
I have a friend that works for Sony testing products, in the UK.  Of course, he's not even supposed to have told me that, but I can assure you, that the re-designed PSP does exist, and is coming soon.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: ilikesanta on June 09, 2007, 08:10:25 am
Even with the redesign do you think that the PSP even has a chance to come back and gain on the DS?
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Cool AN on June 09, 2007, 09:51:54 am
Even with the redesign do you think that the PSP even has a chance to come back and gain on the DS?

Depends on the price.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Piloteer on June 10, 2007, 12:08:24 am
Even with the redesign do you think that the PSP even has a chance to come back and gain on the DS?

Not in the least, but, if done right, Sony may be able to carve out a nice profitable little market for themselves, hopefully to help offset their recent losses on the PS3.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: ilikesanta on June 11, 2007, 04:51:23 pm
Tehe poor PSP :D (http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=236).
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Celdur on June 12, 2007, 04:32:37 pm
Tehe poor PSP :D (http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=236).

i love it when i see my avatar in action :D
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: PatMan33 on June 12, 2007, 04:35:20 pm
More Rumor factoids. (http://kotaku.com/gaming/rumor/further-psp-slim-details-268058.php)

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Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: WinterSnowblind on June 13, 2007, 01:13:36 am
More interesting factoids:  It's white.  Though that could just be for the debug units or whatever..
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: Devoid on June 14, 2007, 01:45:05 pm
Oh man, that VG cats comic is so sad. Poor little PSP.
Title: Re: The PSP is Dead
Post by: ilikesanta on June 15, 2007, 05:30:53 pm
 in a surprising turn of events (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3160334) the PSP's numbers are going up!

NPD#'s   March       April           May
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PSP:     180,000 vs.183,000 vs. 221,000

According to the article, the boost was most likely do to a price drop. The PSP looks like it's not completely dead. Just imagine what would happen if the DS had a price drop.