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Will Wright's Spore => Spore: General => Topic started by: mccarty181 on July 10, 2006, 06:07:03 pm

Title: Primary and secondary mouths
Post by: mccarty181 on July 10, 2006, 06:07:03 pm
Just an question to discuss:

If a creature has more than one mouth how will it be decided which is used for eatting, attacking, or for nothing or both
Title: Re: Primary and secondary mouths
Post by: Luminar on July 10, 2006, 06:14:44 pm
Difficult question, given the procedural mechanics. I'd imagine the creature would resort to using whichever is most convenient at the time.
Title: Re: Primary and secondary mouths
Post by: darkstar on July 10, 2006, 06:16:07 pm
Well it will be desided procedurally, likly it will choose which to use (or both) depending on the shape and size of your creature as well as where u have placed everything else on its body, or perhaps one mouth would be the weapon while the other actually consumed the food.

Who knows, procedural generation can be near impossible to predict for certain.
Title: Re: Primary and secondary mouths
Post by: Axelgear on July 10, 2006, 06:26:58 pm
My guess is that an upper mouth would be used for attack, and lower ones for eating.
Title: Re: Primary and secondary mouths
Post by: mccarty181 on July 11, 2006, 02:40:29 pm
wow I thought this thread would have been a lot more talkative oh well :P
Title: Re: Primary and secondary mouths
Post by: Full_Metal on July 11, 2006, 04:29:08 pm
I was disappointed with the demos in this respect. Creature animations seemed to make only one attack/eat animation that used only one mouth, and even ignored claws. If I make a creature with four arms and eight mouths and it only bites with one mouth and the claws are just eye-candy... >:(
Title: Re: Primary and secondary mouths
Post by: Clappingman on July 11, 2006, 09:42:31 pm
It is my belief that when you attack, you specify what is doing the attacking. There are demos where the creature that Will was using had to icons in the lower right, with what seemed to be 'cooldown' timers on them. As for eating I'm sure any creature would use all the mouths they had.

Of course there is another possiblity for attacking, one that seems much simpler, you merely press attack, and whenever an attack part is free, it will attack. Of course that would perhaps be nicer for complex creatures, it's not quite the amount of control I would like. It could be that specifying what to attack with is only an option, would would be the best.
Title: Re: Primary and secondary mouths
Post by: Jameso on July 11, 2006, 10:25:51 pm
It is my belief that when you attack, you specify what is doing the attacking. There are demos where the creature that Will was using had to icons in the lower right, with what seemed to be 'cooldown' timers on them.

Kinda like here? Because I reckon that's a really cool way of battling, sort of like City of Villains

(http://i.i.com.com/cnet.g2/images/2006/127/926714_20060508_screen003.jpg)
Title: Re: Primary and secondary mouths
Post by: Lucky027895 on July 11, 2006, 10:36:20 pm
My question is what about weapon limits? Can you only have like 6 of them?

Off topic but does anyone know how to get out of going to a metal hospital?
Title: Re: Primary and secondary mouths
Post by: Axelgear on July 12, 2006, 06:50:02 am
You can have as many weapons as you like really, but they won't be very useful if you use too many. After all, the better ones have higher point costs, which means you use less, and the more you have, the harder it is to use them all.
Title: Re: Primary and secondary mouths
Post by: Luminar on July 12, 2006, 08:05:39 am
Off topic but does anyone know how to get out of going to a metal hospital?

Take a magnet.

Mind you, there's also the question here of eating AND attacking... and we did see that whole bite and drag mechanic. It'd be cool if a creature clamped something with both mouths and scooted it off to a hidey hole to snack on it in peace.
Title: Re: Primary and secondary mouths
Post by: Didero on July 12, 2006, 08:30:50 am
Mind you, there's also the question here of eating AND attacking... and we did see that whole bite and drag mechanic. It'd be cool if a creature clamped something with both mouths and scooted it off to a hidey hole to snack on it in peace.

Maybe a creature with two mouths can pull with one mouth, while still eating what he's dragging with his second mouth...
Title: Re: Primary and secondary mouths
Post by: Uroboros on July 12, 2006, 08:32:12 am
I mentioned it a while back, but i'd love to see some more inventive combat verbs being brought into it. Perhaps by holding the mousebutton/key to attack with the mouth, you could try to clamp onto them and hold on throughout the fight, perhaps preventing them from running away, or letting you attempt to drag them around/shake them/etc. I recall in the demo video with the bird-creature with the eyes up on a long tail-like stalk, when WW was clicking the 'test attack' button, one of them looked oddly like a kick. Yeah, I know, the foot just shuffled along the floor, but it didnt seem like the creature did anything else at that point. If creatures can kick (or if a creature with nothing but legs+feet can only use its feet to attack), it would be great to see a larger creature trying to step on the other and pin it down.

Sometimes, predators arent just predators because they can win in a fair fight against another species, sometimes they're predators just because they developed 'instant win' methods of taking out others. Venoms and poisons aside, creature develop ways of attacking each other, where the victim cannot respond. Removing limbs. Pinning them down. Crushing the throat. Tipping them over. It would be great to see these "advanced verbs" being used by species to get easy food out of their prey, rather than always ending up in a strafing, ducking, weaving fighting match.
Title: Re: Primary and secondary mouths
Post by: Axelgear on July 12, 2006, 09:08:52 am
It would be interesting to see some "learned" attacks. I mean, slowly, the creature will learn more effective ways to do damage. A flying creature might go from raking with it's talons in CC, to raking in a swooping attack, to picking up a creature and then dropping it.
Title: Re: Primary and secondary mouths
Post by: Uroboros on July 12, 2006, 09:14:00 am
Hmm, picking up a small but potentially nasty creature, dropping it into the water to drown, then plucking the floating body from the water to go eat..
Title: Re: Primary and secondary mouths
Post by: Axelgear on July 12, 2006, 09:16:56 am
Or picking up a shellfish and dropping it on a rock? If it doesn't die, it might suffocate from being out of water or be vulnerable on its back.