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Will Wright's Spore => Spore: General => Topic started by: ebinsesos on May 10, 2006, 07:03:25 pm

Title: Planet Busters
Post by: ebinsesos on May 10, 2006, 07:03:25 pm
ok... so on the new IGN video, it turns out that one of the habitable planets is actually a moon of some gas giant... my question is, what would happen if you used a planet buster on the gas giant? moon flies off into space??  whatever happens that moons in for a bad day.
Title: Re: Planet Busters
Post by: werechicken on May 10, 2006, 07:05:00 pm
it might just be that you can't use the planet killer on the gas giant
Title: Re: Planet Busters
Post by: Sporific on May 10, 2006, 07:05:09 pm
ok... so on the new IGN video, it turns out that one of the habitable planets is actually a moon of some gas giant... my question is, what would happen if you used a planet buster on the gas giant? moon flies off into space??  whatever happens that moons in for a bad day.

Ooh, good question. I would hope that it gets pulled into the gravity of the star and orbits like a planet. (I would probably do this on purpose for simplicity, although living on a moon sounds uber fun.)
Title: Re: Planet Busters
Post by: mrodgers on May 10, 2006, 07:15:29 pm
Realistically, it would depend where in its rotation it was on how it travelled.  In Spore, hmmm, I think the moon goes bye bye too.
Title: Re: Planet Busters
Post by: Tantalus on May 10, 2006, 07:17:41 pm
Me? I'd prefer to live one that moon than a normal planet. Did you see the lighting?
Title: Re: Planet Busters
Post by: Lambsquirter on May 10, 2006, 07:24:28 pm
it would be cool to live on the moons around gas giants, i like to make an Endor like planet with large forests and stuff..hehe
Title: Re: Planet Busters
Post by: google_video_fan on May 10, 2006, 07:32:07 pm
Destroying a gas giant would be catastrophic. I'm guessing the moon would be destroyed...

Plus, how exactly would you destroy something with a less than definite surface... You'd have to ignite the planet!

Title: Re: Planet Busters
Post by: Zuul on May 10, 2006, 07:34:42 pm
I'm not a astrophysicist, so take my wild guess with a grain of salt, but the fragments from the large solid core of any gas giant would soon make that moon a cloud of fragments as well. So you would get a two for one deal. I think.
Title: Re: Planet Busters
Post by: JakeCourtney on May 10, 2006, 07:37:00 pm
The moon would no longer be held in by the planets gravity field anyway.
Title: Re: Planet Busters
Post by: LONE GUNNER3 on May 10, 2006, 07:37:12 pm
I'm not a astrophysicist, so take my wild guess with a grain of salt, but the fragments from the large solid core of any gas giant would soon make that moon a cloud of fragments as well. So you would get a two for one deal. I think.

Maybe this is a question to get Hydro to as Will Wright ;D.

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The moon would no longer be held in by the planets gravity field anyway.

yes that is what would happen.But the moon could also be destroyed by the explosion.
Title: Re: Planet Busters
Post by: Noxx on May 10, 2006, 07:49:01 pm
Very interesting, I never thought of what might happen.


On a side note, and I'm not saying this to hijack this thread, I wanna know. Could you colonize a gas giant? Sort of like cloud city in star wars
Title: Re: Planet Busters
Post by: Yossitaru on May 10, 2006, 07:56:12 pm
Very interesting, I never thought of what might happen.


On a side note, and I'm not saying this to hijack this thread, I wanna know. Could you colonize a gas giant? Sort of like cloud city in star wars
That would require superstructures, which are out.

And on topic, wouldn't the energy beam (provided the buster is a beam of energy) react with the dense gasses and cause some monsterously large explosion? Unless Spore gas giants aren't primarily hydrogen, like ours are.
Title: Re: Planet Busters
Post by: Noxx on May 10, 2006, 08:13:20 pm

..............Unless Spore gas giants aren't primarily hydrogen, like ours are.


Well if it means a solution to the problem "Can you blow up gas giants?" then I would imagin they would be made of hydrogen. Unless the want it so you can't blow up gas giants
Title: Re: Planet Busters
Post by: stuck on May 10, 2006, 08:14:37 pm
Uranus is mostly methane. And it rains diamonds there sometimes.

No joke.
Title: Re: Planet Busters
Post by: Noxx on May 10, 2006, 08:17:29 pm
wow you learn something everyday.

If we ever make it there I guess diamonds are pretty much worthless then.
Title: Re: Planet Busters
Post by: Yossitaru on May 10, 2006, 08:18:45 pm
Uranus is mostly methane. And it rains diamonds there sometimes.

No joke.

Hydrogen    83%
Methane    1.99%
According to Wikipedia...
Title: Re: Planet Busters
Post by: google_video_fan on May 10, 2006, 08:19:20 pm
Uranus is mostly methane. And it rains diamonds there sometimes.

No joke.

lol, yea, I just googled that and it is true. makes you wonder how everything is relative...

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/diamond/sky2.html
Title: Re: Planet Busters
Post by: Gwahir on May 10, 2006, 08:35:58 pm
Even if a gas giant was mostly hydrogen, you would need oxygen in plentiful amounts to make it burn.  Don't forget there are storms aplenty on Jupiter.  But if you could create a nice nuclear explosion, and keep things compressed at the core, and assume there was enough material to make this last: you could start fusion.  Probably wouldn't last too long though.  Wouldn't make a star or anything.  In fact, since there isn't enough mass to keep it contained, it would probably overexpand, which might end the fusion and things might resettle or just blow, depending on too many things for me to consider right now.
Title: Re: Planet Busters
Post by: immortius on May 11, 2006, 03:17:37 am
A fun thing to do would be to build up a gas giant until it became a star, perhaps by throwing some nearby gas planets into it or something... needless to say, any insignificant moons nearby would probably not survive such an event.
Title: Re: Planet Busters
Post by: WoozleWazzle on May 11, 2006, 03:29:54 am
Why does the moon have to be restricted to gas giants? Any terrestrial planet, like Earth can have many moons too. If you have a colony on the moon and the earth is destroyed (which we know is possible), The colony on the moon would still probably survive. Where it ends up, i don't know.
Title: Re: Planet Busters
Post by: Dauntless on May 11, 2006, 03:54:21 am
Why does the moon have to be restricted to gas giants? Any terrestrial planet, like Earth can have many moons too. If you have a colony on the moon and the earth is destroyed (which we know is possible), The colony on the moon would still probably survive. Where it ends up, i don't know.

That is providing that any resulting shockwave doesnt destroy said moon. If it was a more gentle 'ending' (HG2G Movie perhaps) then the moon may either drift off elsewhere, or follow another orbit around its star in Spore ;)
Title: Re: Planet Busters
Post by: mrodgers on May 11, 2006, 05:48:41 am
Why does the moon have to be restricted to gas giants? Any terrestrial planet, like Earth can have many moons too. If you have a colony on the moon and the earth is destroyed (which we know is possible), The colony on the moon would still probably survive. Where it ends up, i don't know.

That is providing that any resulting shockwave doesnt destroy said moon. If it was a more gentle 'ending' (HG2G Movie perhaps) then the moon may either drift off elsewhere, or follow another orbit around its star in Spore ;)

What happened to the moon would depend on what direction it was travelling relative to the the sun and solarsystem.  It might fly away, go into orbit itself around the sun or end up crashing into the sun or another planet.
Title: Re: Planet Busters
Post by: slugfly on May 11, 2006, 06:01:02 am
Destroying a gas giant would be catastrophic. I'm guessing the moon would be destroyed...

Plus, how exactly would you destroy something with a less than definite surface... You'd have to ignite the planet!



WOOOHHH!!!  maybe we could turn the gas giant into a mini-sun!  I know that it's not feasible in real life (gravity wouldn't be strong enough to maintain combustion) but it sure could in a game  :)  then we'd end up with a small sun orbiting a big sun, and a tiny planet orbiting within the small suns heliosphere!   :)  Cool...  though I doubt anything could survive on it.
Title: Re: Planet Busters
Post by: mrodgers on May 11, 2006, 06:34:24 am
Gas giants do have solid cores holding the materials together. You blow that up and the planet goes bye bye.
Title: Re: Planet Busters
Post by: Tantalus on May 11, 2006, 06:49:13 am
Even if you could start fusion in a gas giant Jupiters size, it would never sustain itself because it would require those pressures and temperature be constant but because they're artificial they would go away as soon as our equipment melted.
Title: Re: Planet Busters
Post by: slugfly on May 11, 2006, 06:56:28 am
wow you learn something everyday.

If we ever make it there I guess diamonds are pretty much worthless then.

they're pretty much worthless anyway.  It's just that DeBiers has very cleverly cornered the market using a variety of strategies.

1- monopoly (would be illegal in North America)
2- hoarding (they release something like 10% of the diamonds they have, maybe less)
3- social engineering (a stroke of absolute genius.  Through advertising Debiers was able to turn diamonds into a sacrament as solid as marriage itself.  Thus, whenever ANYONE gets married it is expected that they buy a diamond either for proposal or the marriage itself. They have convinced the world that diamonds are a symbol of true love.)
4- more social engineering (another stroke of genius.  Debiers has presented diamonds as heirlooms, meaning that any diamond sold will stay within the family and so almost never return to the market, and therefore Debiers constantly remains in control of the amount of diamonds in circulation.  A sold diamond for Debiers is roughly the equivilent of a destroyed diamond.)

They're tightly squeezed lumps of charcoal... and not even very pretty... and the diamonds that most of us can afford are just little specks of 'twinkle'.  I'd much rather have a ruby or topaz myself...  much prettier.
Title: Re: Planet Busters
Post by: Behumat on May 11, 2006, 10:43:04 am
No ideal how gas giants are constructed, but I do know most of them are many times the size of the earth, so whose to say there aren't chunks of planet sized rocks floating around in there? And if so, why not life?
Title: Re: Planet Busters
Post by: Gwahir on May 11, 2006, 10:58:04 am
Assuming you could have life that could live on the chemicals present in the atmosphere and creature could withstand the gravity, maybe.  But it would be floating, would most likely be bacteria, wouldn't be able to get started creating structures even if it were a large creature, etc.  Intelligent life is a big no for gas giants
Title: Re: Planet Busters
Post by: mrodgers on May 11, 2006, 12:43:08 pm
No ideal how gas giants are constructed, but I do know most of them are many times the size of the earth, so whose to say there aren't chunks of planet sized rocks floating around in there? And if so, why not life?

As I said:

Gas giants do have solid cores holding the materials together. You blow that up and the planet goes bye bye.

Its not a chunk its a solid planet.
Title: Re: Planet Busters
Post by: Tantalus on May 11, 2006, 04:10:52 pm
Yeah most gas giants have solid cores (only small ones might not, I dunno about them). For example Jupiter has a layer of metallic hydrogen that it is theorized produces its intense magnetic fields, and underneath that you get other more natural solids.
Title: Re: Planet Busters
Post by: ebinsesos on May 11, 2006, 04:29:35 pm
hmm... how about the remaining microbes on the planet (saying that it was flying out towards space) evolved into some kinda crazy panspermia comet and outr former enemies turn out to be the next "wave" of life through the galaxy in a billion years...

(ps my keyboard hurts my wrists, so thats why i'm such a poopy typist, cause i don't like it in the first place)
Title: Re: Planet Busters
Post by: mrodgers on May 11, 2006, 04:37:58 pm
hmm... how about the remaining microbes on the planet (saying that it was flying out towards space) evolved into some kinda crazy panspermia comet and outr former enemies turn out to be the next "wave" of life through the galaxy in a billion years...

(ps my keyboard hurts my wrists, so thats why i'm such a poopy typist, cause i don't like it in the first place)

Somehow I don't see that happening in Spore.  It seems pretty superfluous.
Title: Re: Planet Busters
Post by: qyasogk on May 11, 2006, 06:15:35 pm
just because you "destroy" a planet doesn't mean that the mass goes away.... meaning the gravity is still there. what would destroying the mass at the center of jupiter do really? i would guess that it gets destroyed constantly by the forces acting on it. and the activity is part of what powers all the storms.
Title: Re: Planet Busters
Post by: Tantalus on May 11, 2006, 06:23:36 pm
You're right just fracturing the core probably wouldn't do a whole lot, depending on how much of the mass is contained in that core. Though because we know diddly squat about metallic hydrogen it could be that might cause a big enough explosion to destroy the planet.

O yes, the mass is only still "there" if it dispurses in an even pattern which it likely would not leading for the center of mass to shift possibly throwing things way out of wack.