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Title: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: sgore on March 12, 2006, 04:57:51 pm
I just came up with this. I figured the Community on here would have some fun with it.  ;)

The object of the game is for the first two people to sign up to debate intensively the topic I give you. If I tell poster one to debate that There are little men in there televisions and Poster two to be On the side that there's really just one man flipping a really fast flip book in the television I expect the debates to be well done, backed up with whatever "Evidance" and "Statistics" you can come up with and Hilarious.

Really this could go on forever with some posters but it has to end sometime, so the winner will finally be decided through an hours poll voting or so, after 5 posts from each one.
The Winner gets to decide the next topic for 2 posters to debate.
Have fun with this.  ;D I'll reveal the topic when I get the first 2 debaters

*Disclamer, The topics being debated are probably not the views of the people debating them. But it sure will be fun to watch.
Oh and please refrain voting till the debate is over.

Edit: Nevermind. I'll just keep it locked till the debate is over
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: Oviraptor on March 12, 2006, 05:02:39 pm
This sounds like fun, I'll let someone else start it off, I want to watch first.
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: PatMan33 on March 12, 2006, 05:03:25 pm
I will give it a shot!

 :-*
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: sgore on March 12, 2006, 05:37:27 pm
Great, Now we just need someone for you to debate.
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: Vivec on March 12, 2006, 05:51:40 pm
No way. Not me. I will not debate with Pat.
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: PatMan33 on March 12, 2006, 05:52:42 pm
Haha...

Well... I don't want to debate you either Vivec!

Besides... I already yelled at a brick wall today.

 :-*



Send me a PM when you find someone.
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: sgore on March 12, 2006, 07:00:37 pm
ok then. Is there nobody that can debate PatMan?
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: PatMan33 on March 12, 2006, 07:53:20 pm
I have to turn in for the night, but I can do it tomorrow once I get home.
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: Lambsquirter on March 13, 2006, 12:48:07 am
i just want to watch  and then maybe later i'll join
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: Tonjevic on March 13, 2006, 01:43:57 am
it has to be a topic that can be debated as both affirmative and negative, and not be dictated at all by the adjudicator. In other words, you aren't allowed to interfere with what the speakers' subject matter is.
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: MadGiraffe on March 13, 2006, 02:18:36 am
it has to be a topic that can be debated as both affirmative and negative, and not be dictated at all by the adjudicator. In other words, you aren't allowed to interfere with what the speakers' subject matter is.

I DISAGREEEEEH!

Buh I donno whei! You are teh silleh.

Cum onnnnnn, debate! We don't even have a subject yet :P.
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: 762 on March 13, 2006, 11:06:39 am
I'll do it! Give me a time and a place, and I'll kick his pennsylvanian butt.
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: TheShark on March 13, 2006, 11:22:48 am
My money's on 762.
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: sgore on March 13, 2006, 11:56:20 am
My money's on 762.

You're betting on this?  ;)

Ok, We have Our Contestants PatMan33 (Poster 1) and 762 (poster 2)

Now the Topic.

PatMan is debating that Cantalope Can In Fact Fly Up to 500 miles without resting in the right light weather conditions. 762 Is debating against that theory. Eigther can start off (And take turns from there)

Ready, Debate That!
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: 762 on March 13, 2006, 01:43:19 pm
I'm busy today. I can do it tomorrow. Maybe. Definitely Thursday.
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: PatMan33 on March 13, 2006, 02:16:42 pm
Okay I am home.

Lets see....


I will gather info and edit my argument into here.


(INSERT ARGUMENT HERE)



Hey,a re we talking about an American Cantaloupe or a Europeon Cantaloupe?

No seriously... they are two different things.

 ;D
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: MadGiraffe on March 13, 2006, 02:35:23 pm
Eh...isn't a cantalope a type of melon?....
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: PatMan33 on March 13, 2006, 02:36:36 pm
Yes.

The Europeon Cantaloupe is different from the American Cantaloupe or Muskmelon as some call it.
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: sgore on March 13, 2006, 03:16:16 pm
The American Cantaloupe. Start with your opening statement whenever ready.  ;) (Oh and If anyone is willing to stand in for 762 until he calls himself back in they can)
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: PatMan33 on March 13, 2006, 03:32:28 pm
Simply put, in this modern age of computers and memory metals, who is to say that the average American Cantaloupe can not fly 500 miles in the proper light weather conditions? Given it's proportions and makeup, and a generally eastward flow of the jetstream, the fruit will fly the distance.

I am here today to prove to you all that an American Cantaloupe can fly 500 miles under the right light weather conditions.
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: MadGiraffe on March 13, 2006, 03:38:59 pm
I am here today to prove to you all that an American Cantaloupe can fly 500 miles under the right light weather conditions.

With our without external interference or tools that are not part of the Cantaloupe? (just curious)
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: PatMan33 on March 13, 2006, 03:42:07 pm
Oh, this Cantaloupe will fly on its own.


However, it may require a cannon or a really big hill.
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: sgore on March 13, 2006, 06:28:55 pm
asking questions about the topic to pass time till 762 or someone who decides to stand in for him steps up to respond to post 1:
Simply put, in this modern age of computers and memory metals, who is to say that the average American Cantaloupe can not fly 500 miles in the proper light weather conditions? Given it's proportions and makeup, and a generally eastward flow of the jetstream, the fruit will fly the distance.

I am here today to prove to you all that an American Cantaloupe can fly 500 miles under the right light weather conditions.

So, PatMan What would be the average wingspan of a normal American Cantalope?

Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: Kaze on March 13, 2006, 08:13:07 pm
I'll do it. I don't know what number I am in line now, but I'll have a go.

You mas as well delcare me the winner now, because that's how it's going to end.
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: 7LES on March 13, 2006, 08:35:17 pm
Cant we debate about something real like if JFK was killed by a lone gunman(Lee Harvey Oswald) or was this a lager conspiracy?




PS. a Mellon can fly 600 miles(or whatever) anything is possible with string theory.   ;)
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: Kaze on March 13, 2006, 08:43:19 pm
Why not just let the two individuals pick the topic they debate on their own? Just have them talk to each other via AIM or whatever for a while, then once they disagree on something, they bring it here, and just like that, you have a debate where the participants are actually passionate and fuled (not to be confused with agitated and hostile, people can disagree without it turning into a flame war, and these make the best debates).
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: 7LES on March 13, 2006, 08:46:41 pm
Why not just let the two individuals pick the topic they debate on their own? Just have them talk to each other via AIM or whatever for a while, then once they disagree on something, they bring it here, and just like that, you have a debate where the participants are actually passionate and fuled (not to be confused with agitated and hostile, people can disagree without it turning into a flame war, and these make the best debates).

I think that just might destroy the meaning of this thread and in the spirit of the debate topic i must insist that that way is not the way that is in the end used.
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: aname on March 13, 2006, 08:49:29 pm
string theory!
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: Vivec on March 13, 2006, 08:55:40 pm
Well, this thread is basically a joke-trial, and Patman33 and 762 aren't flamers.

So this will probably end up funny.
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: Tonjevic on March 14, 2006, 12:03:30 am
Aname: Stop spamming. Your post count isn't that important. If you have nothing to say, don't say it. You are just taking up space.

I am up for it too.

But we can't have a truism or untruism as the topic of debate: it has to be something that has basis in real life, is debatable and is subject to opinion.
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: Krakow Sam on March 14, 2006, 07:04:40 am
Oooh, I'm willing at some point.


A topic like: "Flicking peas at people with a spoon should be illegal" might be good.
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: PatMan33 on March 14, 2006, 02:24:34 pm
So, PatMan What would be the average wingspan of a normal American Cantalope?

Roughly two millimeters.

However there is a known archetype that has a wingspan of thirty feet. But we won;t discuss that.

To help begin my argument I will direct your attention to subject one...

(http://img474.imageshack.us/img474/2395/cantaloupeedit5ev.jpg)

You will notice point 1. The size and shape of the fruit in question. It has somewhat of an egglike shape which provides for a good pitch and yaw while in flight.

Point 2 directs you to the divits on the surface which will allow for good airflow around the fruit and giving it spin which will aid in its overall distance traveled and accuracy.


As you can see, the fruit CLEARLY demonstrates optimal shape and texture to move through the air with the greatest of ease.





Additionally...

Kaze, I will take you down to Chinatown.


My door is open, so you can bring it any day of the week!

 :-*
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: Kaze on March 14, 2006, 11:04:38 pm
I'm much more inclined to debate things that are serious, but I'll have a go.

It is important to note first off, that the American Cantelope is delicious, and contains many mystical, strength enhancing properties. Like spinage to Popeye The Sailor Man, cantelope jacks up jocks in the same way Bawls fuels LAN nerds on their 72 hour gaming marathons.

It is also important to note that the American Cantelope cannot travel the distance in question (500m) without external influence. And I quote;
Oh, this Cantaloupe will fly on its own.


However, it may require a cannon or a really big hill.
Ergo, even if it is only external influence that will always stop it from reaching the required distance when a suitable velocity is attained, it can still be concluded that the American Cantelope cannot actually fly 500 miles.

At this point you are probably wondering what in the hell I opened with. Well you see kids, at the dawn of time a man was born, one so profusely powerful he roundhouse kicked his way out of his own mothers womb, and unbeknownst to all but a chosen few, this man feeds like a crazed cannibal on cantelope.

When you have someone this desperate for the fruit in question, it is plain to see that any flying cantelope will be noticed and consequently intercepted. I am prepaired to unveil today, one of very few photographs catching Chuck in action. This one in Taiwan, when an individual whose identity I cannot release attempted to launch an American Cantelope off of the Taipei 101. Please note that Chuck had no idea this was going to take place, and was actually on another side of the world, teaching kids the roundhouse kick, and proclaiming it to be the most efficient kick in existence when the Cantelope took off. For your information, Chuck uses an advanced roundhouse kick for propulsion.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v370/SunFx/Misc/chucknorrisintercept.jpg)

So you see, Chuck Norris is the one man Strategic Defense Initiative of American Cantelopes. Unfaltering he is.

edit* the stupid spellchecker changed spinage to spinnaker
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: PatMan33 on March 15, 2006, 12:05:12 pm
I will have to cite a rather large oversight in your entire argument.

Chuck Norris was in fact born in 1940, many years after the time that you CLAIM he was born. Therefore all information beyond that point is null and void.


The truth is that a cantaloupe can indeed fly 500 miles in the proper weather conditions even if it has not been aided by a cannon-like device (However a device like this should clearly be used if at all possible). The way it works can be explained in four simple steps...

1) The cantaloupe, residing high up in its treetop kingdom is jostled and begins its descent toward earth.

2) At this point a rather large bird knocks said fruit off its earth bound course and it precedes to roll.

3) During this roll, the cantaloupe will slowly gather an outward force emanating from the center.

4) The fruit will either hit a ramplike rock or some kind of hill and be sent off into the sky where, assisted by the rotation of the fruit and the ourward pushing momentum, will fly at the very least, 500 miles.



Also, spell "cantaloupe" correct people.


 :-*
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: sgore on March 15, 2006, 01:10:42 pm
 :D (This is a fun debate)
Ok, Just To Clarify, Kaze Took over for 762 since he decided to postpone his playing
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: PatMan33 on March 15, 2006, 01:14:59 pm
She took over?

Looks more like she barged in. And now I will have to destroy her.

I know I can pull more out of my ass than she can. I just know it!

 :-*
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: Kaze on March 15, 2006, 02:18:06 pm
Chuck Norris was in fact born in 1940, many years after the time that you CLAIM he was born. Therefore all information beyond that point is null and void.
If I were in PatMan33's desperate position I might feel compelled to do as he did, and nullify his entire argument by making a blanket statement and doing the following;

There is a rather large oversight in your entire argument as well.

The cantaloupe resides on the ground (http://www.timdineen.com/photos/2003_GARDEN/061403_corn_cantlpe.jpg), not high up in a treetop kingdom, henceforth, the rest of your text was simply fanatical, and sits on the crazy side of the line that separates the logical and the sane with delusions of grandeur.

Simply put, no matter how the cantaloupe achieves the required velocity, Chuck Norris will always be there to intercept it. Of course, to accept this, your feeble mind must first be able to comprehend the dawn of time. You see, the world was created around Chuck Norris. A history was written, memories were placed, everything required to make us believe that Chuck Norris was not the beginning of time. Woefully, at the expense of your spirits, I regret to inform you that all of us, the birds, the trees, every single person, is a pawn in the game of a God who favors Chuck Norris above all else. Since Chuck has God on his side, what does that leave the cantaloupe? Despair people, despair. Ironically, by the end of this debacle, PatMan33 will also have nothing else to cling to.

Do not let this insidious man infest your mind and intrude upon your long standing sensibilities, readers, Kirstie Alley could fly further than a cantaloupe.

In fact, it just so happens we put this notion through the rigors of scientific analysis.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v370/SunFx/Misc/jumps.jpg)

Mind you, there were numerous witnesses, as you can plainly see, to ensure a fair playing field for both contestants. So in summation I will reiterate the following directed toward the notion that a cantaloupe could fly 500 miles, only in dreams. And no, that isn't a Weezer reference.

Peace peeps,
  --K

PS- I didn't barge in, you taunted me in.
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: crippits on March 15, 2006, 02:29:05 pm
*stands in ovation* You get him Kaze!
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: Krakow Sam on March 15, 2006, 02:40:34 pm
If I might interject. As a professor of Fructology from the University of Blackpool it is my professional opinion that the decrease in melon flight velocity in recent years bears direct correlation to the number of movies based on 1960s sitcoms. Both the debatants seem to be grasping at flawed logic. The question is not 'can a melon fly?' but 'what really goes in aeroplane fruit salad?'
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: PatMan33 on March 15, 2006, 02:49:14 pm
Look at this picture people:

(http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/2680/lordoftheinternet2zl.jpg)


Now, for all of you still paying attention, you will have noticed that "Kaze" as she calls herself, is stuck in the past. As most "hip" people know, the "Chuck Norris" "fad" ended "months" ago. She can not let go of the fanatical view that Chuck Norris is some kind of god! After that whole television appearance in which Chuck began reading facts about himself, we all knew the fad was dead. But this silly person sticks to her beliefs.

Can a person who has such a diehard belief in such a silly thing really be capable of presenting to you, a valid and just argument? The simple answer is no.



She also states that,
Kirstie Alley could fly further than a cantaloupe.

Which we all know is impossible. Even in her warped state of reality Kaze can agree that that was a bit of a mistake on her part.

I mean... to suggest that Kirstie Alley... hah! Farther than a cantaloupe!


Anyway, we have now learned how the cantaloupe reaches its required speed, be it from a tree or from some lowly ground hugging plant. Next we will look at the structure of a cantaloupe and discover how it keeps its speed for the required flight time of three and a half seconds.

(http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/8320/cantaloupe2edit3lq.jpg)

If you will look at point one you will see a rather thick orange mass in the middle of the fruit. This is the juicy part that people eat and enjoy. This also serves a second purpose though, it (through a massive array of printed circuits) holds in all that kinetic energy and keeps the fruit flying far and long.

Point four as you can see, is the core of the fruit. This spins in the opposite direction of the rest of the fruit and will create what some people know as an "Anti gravitational attraction" between it and the earth (Or whatever body the cantaloupe is flying over) and will give the fruit the required distance.

Point five is the outer shell and that keeps the fruit from breaking and birds from eating it while it is in flight.


As you can clearly see, this "woman" has got the wrong idea about this noble fruit. It can clearly fly at least 500 miles on its on accord and I would even trust it with my children (If I had any).





P.S.

I didn't taunt you at all. You silly silly girl. SILLY GIRL SILLY GIRL SILLY GIRL!

 ;)



And don't take her side just because she has boobs. I could have them too if I ate more. Think about that!
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: Kaze on March 15, 2006, 04:32:09 pm
(http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/2680/lordoftheinternet2zl.jpg)
Okay, lets get something straight right now. What you do in your private life is all fine an dandy, and it's cool if you're still clinging to the past like Vanilla Ice, but I think I speak on behalf of this forums entire readerbase when I say, we don't want to see pictures of it.

One thing you'll learn about Kaze, is that she isn't into fads. What's in and what's out is of no importance. Abercrombie or Goodwill? Who cares! Kaze isn't superficial like Some people are.

Chuck Norris isn't some kind of God, oh no, I never said that, either. Only that God created the world around him. I provided in reply #34 photographic evidence, and as anyone who is well versed in photomanipulation will tell you, that is a real, unaltered photograph. The same can be said for Kirstie Alley's part in this play, the photodocumented expirement speaks for itself. And even if it didn't, the countless spandex sporting spectators most certainly would... I better get alliteration points for that one.

All PatMan33 is providing you are cheaply drawn diagrams with "factual evidence" that cannot be backed. My five year old daughter could be more convincing. Where are these flying cantaloupes? Who can honestly raise their hand and say, "Yes, I have seen a cantaloupe fly 500 miles?" And in asking that, those confined to mental insituations and pyschiatric wards are exempt from reply. There is no one. You want to know why? It isn't because of their speed. They don't do so under cover of night, or by making use of a mystical cloaking device, they simply don't do it. Period.

I have prepaired the following to help you, the reader, realize for yourself that flying cantaloupes are a concoction of wild imaginations. Please study this diagram;
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v370/SunFx/Misc/bill.jpg)
Here we have myself (Kaze), the Easter Bunny, Santa Clause, and a flying American Cantaloupe, placed equidistant the 100 dollar bill that lies in the middle of the intersection. Now, if the four were to race for the money, who would get there first?

*cue Jeopardy music*

If you guessed, Kaze, you were correct. Can anyone tell me why? Anyone at all? No?... that's okay. I will tell you why. Because the other three are figments of your imagination!

And no, I didn't steal that from a bad Ben Affleck movie about lesbians.

This "nobel fruit," as PatMan33 so eloquently put it, was engineered by the W. Atlee Burpee Company and introduced in 1881. For those who may not be in the know, the immediate families of both Bill Gates, founder of Microsoft, and Jerry Baldwin, one of three founders of Starbucks, can be tracked back to the W. Atlee Burpee Company. These money hungry mongers made the American Cantaloupe not out of a passionate love for delectable fruits, but in a quixotic frenzy for finanical gain. Make no mistake, there is nothing nobel about avarice. The American Cantaloupe itself was molded in its makers image, as mentioned in design document #666. This fruit is vile and evil, contemptuous and crafty, do not fall victim to its influence, as PatMan33 clearly has.

The American Cantaloupe is as useless as a stereotypical politican. I did not want to have to resort to this, but you've left me little choice. Indeed, the cantaloupe is no more than a puppet playing a part in Microsoft's latest plan for world domination. I leave you with the following still, from a secretly recorded Microsoft board meeting as evidence. The man himself, Bill Gates, is seated at the table's head. Captions have been provided in place of the audio stream.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v370/SunFx/Misc/conference.jpg)
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: PatMan33 on March 15, 2006, 04:51:05 pm
Your pictures are quite entertaining, but they fail to help your case.

First off, I must make note of your "photographic evidence".

After weeks of testing, my team and I discovered that her "Rare photo" of Norris blocking a cantaloupe is nothing but a fake!

After hitting it with x-rays and gamma rays and the like we discovered this in a lower layer of the picture...




(http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/1390/lastsupper2ux.jpg)

This can only mean that her photographic evidence (That which she bases her entire argument around) is fabricated!


Yes ladies and gentlemen of the jury, Kaze has fabricated her entire case and defiled a priceless work of art at the same time!


Her ambition knows no bounds! She insists on resurrecting her demon god and enslaving us all!



But I digress, maybe the cantaloupe can not fly 500 miles, maybe ducks can't swim, maybe Pennsylvania was airlifted into the middle of the Atlantic in 1989 after secceding from the Union!


Or maybe the cantaloupe is the only thing standing in her way to total domination of the world!!! Yes! Maybe this fruit has been keeping her and her cronies from resurrecting the Dark Lord all this time!

By trying to prove that this fruit can not fly, she will wipe from your minds that simple fact, and once you have all forgotten that cantaloupe can fly she will make her move and enslave us all! And we will not be able to do anything because we no longer know how the cantaloupe, the Dark Lord's only weakness, can fly.



Think of the children, please, think of the children. Do we want them to suffer?


If it doesn't fit, you must acquit.

The defense rests.
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: Kaze on March 15, 2006, 05:38:25 pm
Alright, I confess, the photograph of Chuck Norris intercepting a cantaloupe was faked, but it was for good reason. Simply put, the release of a photograph of that nature would eventuate in an international incident, the likes of which the world has never seen. Contrary to the calumny conveyed by PatMan33 that might suggest that would benefit me, I am not interested in world domination. Honestly, do I even look like I am capable of world domination? (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v370/SunFx/Oops/100105.jpg) I'll answer that for you... no. I couldn't take over a damn bowl of Jello.

Pennsylvania's succession and Dark Lords? These are the meanderings of mad man, nothing more.

And think of the children? that is perhaps the most ironic sentiment in the wider context of PatMan33's own verbosity. What happens when these flying cantaloupes peg small children in the head? Or their innocent mothers and fathers going about their daily lives? What is daddy supposed to tell little Jimmy? "Sorry sonny, mommy's not coming home tonight, her head was turned into a thin red mist when she stepped in front of a cantaloupe traveling at 525,000 miles per hour?" Think of the children you say? Give me a break. If it weren't for Chuck Norris out there protecting the people like the living legend that he is, Microsoft would have eradicated all of humanity long ago. He is to the flying cantaloupe as kryptonite is to Superman. He dodges rocket-propelled grenades and breaks power lines with his bear hands. He's a gentle man, with a soft touch, a mean kick, and his own special brand of diplomacy... and that's just what it says on the box for one of his movies. The speed hacking cantaloupes better start whining for the nerf stick to come out, they're gonna need all the help they can get.
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: PatMan33 on March 15, 2006, 05:52:13 pm
This, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, is NOT a case about how great Chuck Norris is!

This is a cast about wheather or not a cantaloupe can fly at least 500 miles in the proper light weather conditions! And these cantaloupe do not peg children, they land nowhere near children. The whole reason cantaloupe fly is because they are trying to feed starving people in Africa! Think about it, why else would they bother making the long migration?

Are you saying Kaze, that you would rather the people of Africa go without the nourishment that the cantaloupe brings!? For shame Kaze, for shame.

Look at Marvin here: (http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/1971/marvin3lk.gif)

He is from Africa and over there they do not get much nourishment. But thanks to the cantaloupe's decision to fly there, now they get all the nourishment they need!


That is the ultimate goal of out lope-ed friends; to feed the masses in Africa and help keep the world together.


And tell me, who would want to put a stop to that?
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: Kaze on March 15, 2006, 06:20:31 pm
Well, this will be post number five for me, in accordance with the rules of the game, it is to be my last. (unless I am mistaken. We can keep going, but I have this feeling that it will never end)

Mindless propaganda, all of it. We've been told by PatMan33 himself that the cantaloupe travels 500 miles in three and a half seconds. This means that a cantaloupe travels at 525,000 miles per hour. Could a cantaloupe really avoid hitting someone when traveling at 525,000 miles per hour? Of course not. We've already seen the cantaloupe broken down into its functional parts, it has no ability to control its velocity in flight. Do not be fooled by the lies, cantaloupes take people out like the baseball that kills Ian Michael Smith's fake mother (played by Ashley Judd) in Simon Birch.

Also note that no ability for these cantaloupes to stop was outlined. This means that upon reaching its destination, the cantaloupe will simply disintegrate. Even a caveman can realize this. And as this isn't a Geico commercial, there are no cavemen around to take offense to that.

These cantaloupes aren't feeding a damn thing, PatMan33's imagination aside. Marvin is just a part of the propaganda machine. Flying cantaloupes are more akin to Nazis than Mother Teresa. I don't know about you, but I'm no supporter of Nazis.

My aim has been and will continue to be the assurance that no cantaloupe ever flies 500 miles. For humanity's sake, I will remain ever vigilant. I hope you all can see that due to my steadfast efforts, along with the aide of great heroes like Chuck Norris, the American Cantaloupe is incapable of flying 500 miles, and to imagine a world where cantaloupes were free to fly as they please, would be a frightening and bleak one indeed.

Good day, world.

  --K
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: PatMan33 on March 15, 2006, 06:22:31 pm
We can only do five things?
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: sgore on March 15, 2006, 06:30:01 pm
The Debate:
PatMan:
Quote from: PatMan33
Quote from: sgore
So, PatMan What would be the average wingspan of a normal American Cantalope?
Roughly two millimeters.
However there is a known archetype that has a wingspan of thirty feet. But we won;t discuss that.
To help begin my argument I will direct your attention to subject one...
(http://img474.imageshack.us/img474/2395/cantaloupeedit5ev.jpg)
You will notice point 1. The size and shape of the fruit in question. It has somewhat of an egglike shape which provides for a good pitch and yaw while in flight.
Point 2 directs you to the divits on the surface which will allow for good airflow around the fruit and giving it spin which will aid in its overall distance traveled and accuracy.
As you can see, the fruit CLEARLY demonstrates optimal shape and texture to move through the air with the greatest of ease.
Additionally...
Kaze, I will take you down to Chinatown.
My door is open, so you can bring it any day of the week!
 :-*
Kaze:
Quote from: Kaze
I'm much more inclined to debate things that are serious, but I'll have a go.

It is important to note first off, that the American Cantelope is delicious, and contains many mystical, strength enhancing properties. Like spinage to Popeye The Sailor Man, cantelope jacks up jocks in the same way Bawls fuels LAN nerds on their 72 hour gaming marathons.

It is also important to note that the American Cantelope cannot travel the distance in question (500m) without external influence. And I quote;
Oh, this Cantaloupe will fly on its own.

However, it may require a cannon or a really big hill.
Ergo, even if it is only external influence that will always stop it from reaching the required distance when a suitable velocity is attained, it can still be concluded that the American Cantelope cannot actually fly 500 miles.
At this point you are probably wondering what in the hell I opened with. Well you see kids, at the dawn of time a man was born, one so profusely powerful he roundhouse kicked his way out of his own mothers womb, and unbeknownst to all but a chosen few, this man feeds like a crazed cannibal on cantelope.

When you have someone this desperate for the fruit in question, it is plain to see that any flying cantelope will be noticed and consequently intercepted. I am prepaired to unveil today, one of very few photographs catching Chuck in action. This one in Taiwan, when an individual whose identity I cannot release attempted to launch an American Cantelope off of the Taipei 101. Please note that Chuck had no idea this was going to take place, and was actually on another side of the world, teaching kids the roundhouse kick, and proclaiming it to be the most efficient kick in existence when the Cantelope took off. For your information, Chuck uses an advanced roundhouse kick for propulsion.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v370/SunFx/Misc/chucknorrisintercept.jpg)

So you see, Chuck Norris is the one man Strategic Defense Initiative of American Cantelopes. Unfaltering he is.
PatMan:
Quote from: PatMan33
I will have to cite a rather large oversight in your entire argument.
Chuck Norris was in fact born in 1940, many years after the time that you CLAIM he was born. Therefore all information beyond that point is null and void.
The truth is that a cantaloupe can indeed fly 500 miles in the proper weather conditions even if it has not been aided by a cannon-like device (However a device like this should clearly be used if at all possible). The way it works can be explained in four simple steps...

1) The cantaloupe, residing high up in its treetop kingdom is jostled and begins its descent toward earth.

2) At this point a rather large bird knocks said fruit off its earth bound course and it precedes to roll.

3) During this roll, the cantaloupe will slowly gather an outward force emanating from the center.

4) The fruit will either hit a ramplike rock or some kind of hill and be sent off into the sky where, assisted by the rotation of the fruit and the ourward pushing momentum, will fly at the very least, 500 miles.
Also, spell "cantaloupe" correct people.
 :-*
Then Kaze:
Quote from: Kaze
Quote from: PatMan33
Chuck Norris was in fact born in 1940, many years after the time that you CLAIM he was born. Therefore all information beyond that point is null and void.
If I were in PatMan33's desperate position I might feel compelled to do as he did, and nullify his entire argument by making a blanket statement and doing the following;
There is a rather large oversight in your entire argument as well.

The cantaloupe resides on the ground (http://www.timdineen.com/photos/2003_GARDEN/061403_corn_cantlpe.jpg), not high up in a treetop kingdom, henceforth, the rest of your text was simply fanatical, and sits on the crazy side of the line that separates the logical and the sane with delusions of grandeur.
Simply put, no matter how the cantaloupe achieves the required velocity, Chuck Norris will always be there to intercept it. Of course, to accept this, your feeble mind must first be able to comprehend the dawn of time. You see, the world was created around Chuck Norris. A history was written, memories were placed, everything required to make us believe that Chuck Norris was not the beginning of time. Woefully, at the expense of your spirits, I regret to inform you that all of us, the birds, the trees, every single person, is a pawn in the game of a God who favors Chuck Norris above all else. Since Chuck has God on his side, what does that leave the cantaloupe? Despair people, despair. Ironically, by the end of this debacle, PatMan33 will also have nothing else to cling to.

Do not let this insidious man infest your mind and intrude upon your long standing sensibilities, readers, Kirstie Alley could fly further than a cantaloupe.

In fact, it just so happens we put this notion through the rigors of scientific analysis.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v370/SunFx/Misc/jumps.jpg)

Mind you, there were numerous witnesses, as you can plainly see, to ensure a fair playing field for both contestants. So in summation I will reiterate the following directed toward the notion that a cantaloupe could fly 500 miles, only in dreams. And no, that isn't a Weezer reference.

Peace peeps,
 --K

PS- I didn't barge in, you taunted me in.
Then PatMan:
Quote from: PatMan33
Look at this picture people:

(http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/2680/lordoftheinternet2zl.jpg)


Now, for all of you still paying attention, you will have noticed that "Kaze" as she calls herself, is stuck in the past. As most "hip" people know, the "Chuck Norris" "fad" ended "months" ago. She can not let go of the fanatical view that Chuck Norris is some kind of god! After that whole television appearance in which Chuck began reading facts about himself, we all knew the fad was dead. But this silly person sticks to her beliefs.

Can a person who has such a diehard belief in such a silly thing really be capable of presenting to you, a valid and just argument? The simple answer is no.



She also states that,
Kirstie Alley could fly further than a cantaloupe.

Which we all know is impossible. Even in her warped state of reality Kaze can agree that that was a bit of a mistake on her part.

I mean... to suggest that Kirstie Alley... hah! Farther than a cantaloupe!


Anyway, we have now learned how the cantaloupe reaches its required speed, be it from a tree or from some lowly ground hugging plant. Next we will look at the structure of a cantaloupe and discover how it keeps its speed for the required flight time of three and a half seconds.

(http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/8320/cantaloupe2edit3lq.jpg)

If you will look at point one you will see a rather thick orange mass in the middle of the fruit. This is the juicy part that people eat and enjoy. This also serves a second purpose though, it (through a massive array of printed circuits) holds in all that kinetic energy and keeps the fruit flying far and long.

Point four as you can see, is the core of the fruit. This spins in the opposite direction of the rest of the fruit and will create what some people know as an "Anti gravitational attraction" between it and the earth (Or whatever body the cantaloupe is flying over) and will give the fruit the required distance.

Point five is the outer shell and that keeps the fruit from breaking and birds from eating it while it is in flight.


As you can clearly see, this "woman" has got the wrong idea about this noble fruit. It can clearly fly at least 500 miles on its on accord and I would even trust it with my children (If I had any).





P.S.

I didn't taunt you at all. You silly silly girl. SILLY GIRL SILLY GIRL SILLY GIRL!
 ;)
And don't take her side just because she has boobs. I could have them too if I ate more. Think about that!
Kaze's Return:
(http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/2680/lordoftheinternet2zl.jpg)
Okay, lets get something straight right now. What you do in your private life is all fine an dandy, and it's cool if you're still clinging to the past like Vanilla Ice, but I think I speak on behalf of this forums entire readerbase when I say, we don't want to see pictures of it.

One thing you'll learn about Kaze, is that she isn't into fads. What's in and what's out is of no importance. Abercrombie or Goodwill? Who cares! Kaze isn't superficial like Some people are.

Chuck Norris isn't some kind of God, oh no, I never said that, either. Only that God created the world around him. I provided in reply #34 photographic evidence, and as anyone who is well versed in photomanipulation will tell you, that is a real, unaltered photograph. The same can be said for Kirstie Alley's part in this play, the photodocumented expirement speaks for itself. And even if it didn't, the countless spandex sporting spectators most certainly would... I better get alliteration points for that one.

All PatMan33 is providing you are cheaply drawn diagrams with "factual evidence" that cannot be backed. My five year old daughter could be more convincing. Where are these flying cantaloupes? Who can honestly raise their hand and say, "Yes, I have seen a cantaloupe fly 500 miles?" And in asking that, those confined to mental insituations and pyschiatric wards are exempt from reply. There is no one. You want to know why? It isn't because of their speed. They don't do so under cover of night, or by making use of a mystical cloaking device, they simply don't do it. Period.

I have prepaired the following to help you, the reader, realize for yourself that flying cantaloupes are a concoction of wild imaginations. Please study this diagram;
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v370/SunFx/Misc/bill.jpg)
Here we have myself (Kaze), the Easter Bunny, Santa Clause, and a flying American Cantaloupe, placed equidistant the 100 dollar bill that lies in the middle of the intersection. Now, if the four were to race for the money, who would get there first?

*cue Jeopardy music*

If you guessed, Kaze, you were correct. Can anyone tell me why? Anyone at all? No?... that's okay. I will tell you why. Because the other three are figments of your imagination!

And no, I didn't steal that from a bad Ben Affleck movie about lesbians.

This "nobel fruit," as PatMan33 so eloquently put it, was engineered by the W. Atlee Burpee Company and introduced in 1881. For those who may not be in the know, the immediate families of both Bill Gates, founder of Microsoft, and Jerry Baldwin, one of three founders of Starbucks, can be tracked back to the W. Atlee Burpee Company. These money hungry mongers made the American Cantaloupe not out of a passionate love for delectable fruits, but in a quixotic frenzy for finanical gain. Make no mistake, there is nothing nobel about avarice. The American Cantaloupe itself was molded in its makers image, as mentioned in design document #666. This fruit is vile and evil, contemptuous and crafty, do not fall victim to its influence, as PatMan33 clearly has.

The American Cantaloupe is as useless as a stereotypical politican. I did not want to have to resort to this, but you've left me little choice. Indeed, the cantaloupe is no more than a puppet playing a part in Microsoft's latest plan for world domination. I leave you with the following still, from a secretly recorded Microsoft board meeting as evidence. The man himself, Bill Gates, is seated at the table's head. Captions have been provided in place of the audio stream.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v370/SunFx/Misc/conference.jpg)
PatMan's next up:
Your pictures are quite entertaining, but they fail to help your case.

First off, I must make note of your "photographic evidence".

After weeks of testing, my team and I discovered that her "Rare photo" of Norris blocking a cantaloupe is nothing but a fake!

After hitting it with x-rays and gamma rays and the like we discovered this in a lower layer of the picture...
(http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/1390/lastsupper2ux.jpg)

This can only mean that her photographic evidence (That which she bases her entire argument around) is fabricated!


Yes ladies and gentlemen of the jury, Kaze has fabricated her entire case and defiled a priceless work of art at the same time!


Her ambition knows no bounds! She insists on resurrecting her demon god and enslaving us all!



But I digress, maybe the cantaloupe can not fly 500 miles, maybe ducks can't swim, maybe Pennsylvania was airlifted into the middle of the Atlantic in 1989 after secceding from the Union!


Or maybe the cantaloupe is the only thing standing in her way to total domination of the world!!! Yes! Maybe this fruit has been keeping her and her cronies from resurrecting the Dark Lord all this time!

By trying to prove that this fruit can not fly, she will wipe from your minds that simple fact, and once you have all forgotten that cantaloupe can fly she will make her move and enslave us all! And we will not be able to do anything because we no longer know how the cantaloupe, the Dark Lord's only weakness, can fly.



Think of the children, please, think of the children. Do we want them to suffer?


If it doesn't fit, you must acquit.
The defense rests.
Kaze's response:
Alright, I confess, the photograph of Chuck Norris intercepting a cantaloupe was faked, but it was for good reason. Simply put, the release of a photograph of that nature would eventuate in an international incident, the likes of which the world has never seen. Contrary to the calumny conveyed by PatMan33 that might suggest that would benefit me, I am not interested in world domination. Honestly, do I even look like I am capable of world domination? (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v370/SunFx/Oops/100105.jpg) I'll answer that for you... no. I couldn't take over a damn bowl of Jello.
Pennsylvania's succession and Dark Lords? These are the meanderings of mad man, nothing more.
And think of the children? that is perhaps the most ironic sentiment in the wider context of PatMan33's own verbosity. What happens when these flying cantaloupes peg small children in the head? Or their innocent mothers and fathers going about their daily lives? What is daddy supposed to tell little Jimmy? "Sorry sonny, mommy's not coming home tonight, her head was turned into a thin red mist when she stepped in front of a cantaloupe traveling at 525,000 miles per hour?" Think of the children you say? Give me a break. If it weren't for Chuck Norris out there protecting the people like the living legend that he is, Microsoft would have eradicated all of humanity long ago. He is to the flying cantaloupe as kryptonite is to Superman. He dodges rocket-propelled grenades and breaks power lines with his bear hands. He's a gentle man, with a soft touch, a mean kick, and his own special brand of diplomacy... and that's just what it says on the box for one of his movies. The speed hacking cantaloupes better start whining for the nerf stick to come out, they're gonna need all the help they can get.
PatMan:
This, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, is NOT a case about how great Chuck Norris is!

This is a cast about wheather or not a cantaloupe can fly at least 500 miles in the proper light weather conditions! And these cantaloupe do not peg children, they land nowhere near children. The whole reason cantaloupe fly is because they are trying to feed starving people in Africa! Think about it, why else would they bother making the long migration?
Are you saying Kaze, that you would rather the people of Africa go without the nourishment that the cantaloupe brings!? For shame Kaze, for shame.

Look at Marvin here: (http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/1971/marvin3lk.gif)
He is from Africa and over there they do not get much nourishment. But thanks to the cantaloupe's decision to fly there, now they get all the nourishment they need!
That is the ultimate goal of out lope-ed friends; to feed the masses in Africa and help keep the world together.
And tell me, who would want to put a stop to that?
Kaze:
Well, this will be post number five for me, in accordance with the rules of the game, it is to be my last. (unless I am mistaken. We can keep going, but I have this feeling that it will never end)
Mindless propaganda, all of it. We've been told by PatMan33 himself that the cantaloupe travels 500 miles in three and a half seconds. This means that a cantaloupe travels at 525,000 miles per hour. Could a cantaloupe really avoid hitting someone when traveling at 525,000 miles per hour? Of course not. We've already seen the cantaloupe broken down into its functional parts, it has no ability to control its velocity in flight. Do not be fooled by the lies, cantaloupes take people out like the baseball that kills Ian Michael Smith's fake mother (played by Ashley Judd) in Simon Birch.
Also note that no ability for these cantaloupes to stop was outlined. This means that upon reaching its destination, the cantaloupe will simply disintegrate. Even a caveman can realize this. And as this isn't a Geico commercial, there are no cavemen around to take offense to that.
These cantaloupes aren't feeding a damn thing, PatMan33's imagination aside. Marvin is just a part of the propaganda machine. Flying cantaloupes are more akin to Nazis than Mother Teresa. I don't know about you, but I'm no supporter of Nazis.
My aim has been and will continue to be the assurance that no cantaloupe ever flies 500 miles. For humanity's sake, I will remain ever vigilant. I hope you all can see that due to my steadfast efforts, along with the aide of great heroes like Chuck Norris, the American Cantaloupe is incapable of flying 500 miles, and to imagine a world where cantaloupes were free to fly as they please, would be a frightening and bleak one indeed.
Good day, world.
--K
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: Vivec on March 15, 2006, 06:31:35 pm
Wait. So Patman33 is Poster 1, and Kaze is Poster 2?
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: sgore on March 15, 2006, 06:43:25 pm
Yes. Winner picks the next topic.
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: Oviraptor on March 15, 2006, 07:14:58 pm
I am willing to play next round. I assume that one cannot debate twice in a row.
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: sgore on March 16, 2006, 03:37:03 am
An hours poll is ussually too short. I'm updating it to a day. But anyway, so far Kaze is winning. (And you're right in assuming that oviraptor)
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: Vivec on March 16, 2006, 07:03:23 am
An hours poll is ussually too short. I'm updating it to a day. But anyway, so far Kaze is winning. (And you're right in assuming that oviraptor)

Now it's a tie. And I'm in for the next debate.
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: PatMan33 on March 16, 2006, 09:40:10 am
I am signing up again.

You can use me as a debater whenever you want.

PM me if you need me. I like this topic a lot!
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: Samog on March 16, 2006, 11:28:11 am
Kaze used reductio ad Hitlerum.

-10
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: sgore on March 16, 2006, 11:56:13 am
Vivec against Oviraptor? hm...should be interesting. Whoever gets the next vote is the winner (I'm refraining from voting this round) So someone vote please!

Edit: Kaze is the Winner! 5 to 4 As her prize she gets to pick the topic for Oviraptor and Vivec to debate.
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: Kaze on March 16, 2006, 02:38:53 pm
That was a close poll, could I have voted for myself? I would recommend modifying the thread title to inform people what is going on at each stage. Right now, in the parentheses you could put Oviraptor and Vivec debating now. When they are done, you could change it to, "debate finished, come vote," or something like that, so people will come vote. Of course, it's important to remind people somewhere that it's not a popularity contest, and that they should not vote if they don't actually read the debate. At any rate, I think it would increase the amount of votes that come in.

The next topic;

In recent years officials have cracked down on organized cockfighting with ever-increasing efficiency. As a result, individuals in more archaic regions and neighborhoods have begun organizing hamsterfighting (see one of their internet ads here (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v370/SunFx/Misc/boevhomyak2ku.jpg)). Is strapping sharp objects to hamsters and pitting them against one another in fantastical fights to the death a severe violation of animal rights, or should its inimical implications (if there are any) be overlooked in the simple name of entertainment?
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: Vivec on March 16, 2006, 03:32:35 pm
I want to be "against" this one, OK?

And, I'll let Oviraptor start it off.
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: Oviraptor on March 16, 2006, 05:35:51 pm
I want to be "against" this one, OK?

And, I'll let Oviraptor start it off.

I think she gets to decide who has which side and the order. (Going by sgore's post earlier). I will wait to see.
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: Tonjevic on March 16, 2006, 11:42:16 pm
I'm up for the debate if I am wanted. Just restating what I said on page one.
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: Krakow Sam on March 17, 2006, 01:45:52 am
I'm up for the debate if I am wanted. Just restating what I said on page one.
Me too.
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: Kaze on March 17, 2006, 03:40:36 pm
So what's the deal? If I am supposed to pick who takes what side, I can, but I need to know. I'll probably flip a coin or something.
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: sgore on March 17, 2006, 04:26:09 pm
We shall await that flip on the edge of our seats.  ;)
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: Kaze on March 17, 2006, 04:50:51 pm
I will be flipping the coin via this service (http://cgi.cs.duke.edu/~des/vct/). The coin toss to be used will be "March 17, 2006, 07:51 PM (US Eastern Time Zone)".

Vivec will be heads, Oviraptor will be tails. The winner will argue for, the loser against.
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: Kaze on March 17, 2006, 04:52:54 pm
The coin landed on tails, Oviraptor won. It is archived on that site and can be looked up for reference.
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: sgore on March 18, 2006, 12:46:31 pm
Ok, Sides have been picked Topic has been Picked, Ready set

Debate That!  ;D
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: Oviraptor on March 18, 2006, 05:48:44 pm
The coin landed on tails, Oviraptor won. It is archived on that site and can be looked up for reference.

So am I arguing that hamster fighting is bad? Or that it is good? (Not sure which you consider "for").
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: sgore on March 18, 2006, 08:24:01 pm
Since pro means good I suppose Good. but the way she set it up, I think it might be against. Now I'm confused. I think the debate is over whether it should be stopped or not. And since you got pro, Your against it.
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: Tonjevic on March 18, 2006, 09:22:03 pm
An inspiring start to what looks to be shaping up to be a vigourous debate....

Spekaing of debating, I just came back from an all-day debating tourney (which we won).

If anyone knows what squirreling is, we did the BIGGEST case of it in the existence of the earth.
We were in the swing round, which meant we had to debate against university-level debaters (we being in year 9), and the topic was 'The war on terror needs to be fought'. We thought that we were screwed, so we decided to go out with style...

Find what happened next exciting episode.
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: Kaze on March 18, 2006, 10:52:15 pm
The winner of the coin toss argues for hamster fighting, that means Oviraptor. The loser of the coin toss, against it, that being Vivec. Did my topic idea just suck, or is interest in the idea as a whole simply faltering? I hope I didn't sink the ship.

And congrats Tonjevic :)
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: Tonjevic on March 19, 2006, 02:13:23 am
And congrats Tonjevic :)

Thanks. :)

Now, because I am too lazy to do an in-depth recount of the line that we took, I will approximately restate the case.

We essentially said that the real terrorists in the world today are these people in the west who are condoning the wonton slaughter of innocent people, destruction of infrastructure, territorial invasion and acquisition of mineral resources that the US regime and the coallition of the willing perpetrated upon the middle east (especially Iraq and Afghanistan). We said that the only real way we can combat this terrorism and get these tyrants, who cunningly use media blankets and devious means to trick the people of the world into believing they are a force for good, out of power is to take away thier support base. The people who voted for the likes of Bush, Blair, Howard and any other members of the coalition governments must be eliminated.

We proposed the bombing and obliteration of these countries. Using the help of this so called Axis of Alliance (taking potshots at the propagandist names for everything) - the countries that take it upon themselves to rid the world of the tyrranical west. especially Russia (they have nukes) - we seek to depose the west. Short term loss for Long term gain.

Another thing we hoped to combat was the population problem in the world. By wiping out a large proportion of the population (up to 500 million in a good situation). We can free up resources and arable land that would ave otherwise been squandered in the fat, opulent west, and use it to feed the starving millions in Africa.


That was basically it, although its presentation and grounding, it's logival progression and its human inflection made it much better in the actual debate. Plus I can't remember it all.
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: Oviraptor on March 19, 2006, 08:19:03 am
The winner of the coin toss argues for hamster fighting, that means Oviraptor. The loser of the coin toss, against it, that being Vivec. Did my topic idea just suck, or is interest in the idea as a whole simply faltering? I hope I didn't sink the ship.

You're idea is fine, only I recommend next time (to whoever may win in the future) to put the names directly next to the side they are, so there is no confusion.

I'll have to think about something to say now...
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: sgore on March 22, 2006, 01:06:48 pm
Eigther of You guys can start whenever you're ready. Just saying so you know.
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: MrFrenik on March 22, 2006, 02:58:35 pm
I'm impressed with this thread, so I'm going to mark it as a favorite.  :)
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: Oviraptor on March 22, 2006, 04:40:21 pm
Eigther of You guys can start whenever you're ready. Just saying so you know.

Sorry, I have been busy and don't have much time, but next week I have off, so I have plenty of time then.
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: Vivec on March 22, 2006, 06:22:50 pm
Eigther of You guys can start whenever you're ready. Just saying so you know.

Sorry, I have been busy and don't have much time, but next week I have off, so I have plenty of time then.

Maybe we should have another debate before ours, then.

I like you as an opponent, and I like this topic, and I like the sides, though... so maybe sgore could think of a new topic.
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: sgore on March 22, 2006, 06:44:04 pm
Okay, Since you guys are busy, and Krakow Sam and Tonjevic Volunteered earlier, I'll ask if they would mind debating before you. and save your topic for you.

The debate Topic would be where Leif Ericson and other vikings actually got their leaves.
Poster 1 would be on the side that they got their leaves from specially set up Underground Black Market Leaf stores at many ports.

Poster 2 would be on the side that they got their leaves from Trees using special leaf getting techniques. (The recently introduced "Moon Boots" theroy is allowed, but under strict supervision. It's highly contravercial.  ;))

Poster 3 would be on the side his name is just Leif and Leaves really had nothing to do with vikings travils, but there is no poster 3 in this game so all his points are moot.
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: sgore on April 15, 2006, 09:53:25 am
I declare, this is not a bump, It is just a call out for anyone who isn't too busy to play since from the PM's I've been getting most people who signed up don't have time to play, so Until then whoever wants to debate about Leif Ericson may do so. Or if you want I will supply an Alternate Topic.

Highlight here for the Alternate topic if the whole Leif thing just doesn't work for you:

Does New Mexico itself really Exist or is it just a fabrication of lies?
Poster 1 says yes it does, poster 2 says no it does not.


People have said they really like this topic, but they don't have the time to keep it going. (As seems to be the case with most of my games...)
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: Krakow Sam on April 15, 2006, 03:35:53 pm
Vikings live in what we now call Scandinavia. There are no trees in Scandinavia. With these two facts in mind we must deduce that any leaves in that area were imported from the great leaferies in Mercia, Gaul and Carthage and furtively distributed in local markets by 'leafers' or Leifers.
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: Daxx on April 15, 2006, 03:41:25 pm
I declare, this is not a bump, It is just a call out for anyone who isn't too busy to play since from the PM's I've been getting most people who signed up don't have time to play, so Until then whoever wants to debate about Leif Ericson may do so. Or if you want I will supply an Alternate Topic.

Highlight here for the Alternate topic if the whole Leif thing just doesn't work for you:

Does New Mexico itself really Exist or is it just a fabrication of lies?
Poster 1 says yes it does, poster 2 says no it does not.


People have said they really like this topic, but they don't have the time to keep it going. (As seems to be the case with most of my games...)

Can I be poster 2? I enjoy a challenge.
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: sgore on April 15, 2006, 03:44:26 pm
Krakow seems to have started with the Leif/Leaf Debate, So if you want to be poster 2 for that sure!
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: Daxx on April 15, 2006, 03:46:14 pm
Krakow seems to have started with the Leif/Leaf Debate, So if you want to be poster 2 for that sure!

The leaf/leif thing sounds a bit silly to me. Someone else can do it, if they want.  :)
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: sgore on April 15, 2006, 04:23:44 pm
Okay, A call out! Who shall take on Krakow's Sarcastic Brittish Wit?  ;) Unless you know he wants to change to the other topic, then you can both do it, or we could stick with the Leif thing. Eigther way. (I would but I already told Patman a while ago I would debate him in the debate after oviraptor and vivec...which will technically be after you.)
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: 7 who ate 9 on April 15, 2006, 09:24:00 pm
Vikings live in what we now call Scandinavia. There are no trees in Scandinavia. With these two facts in mind we must deduce that any leaves in that area were imported from the great leaferies in Mercia, Gaul and Carthage and furtively distributed in local markets by 'leafers' or Leifers.

Research shows that you are an idiot. The trees were (and still are) in Scandinavia. However, that place is really weird so the trees flew.  And if you look back at the vikings you can see that they had highly advanced wepons to kill this trees and get the leafes. This "Tree hunting" begain a real long time ago back when cave men roamed the earth. Cave paintings chow them riding on there mamoths in herds, just to get the dailly leafs, and this still goes on to this very day.
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: sgore on May 24, 2006, 01:03:11 pm
Sigh. Would memorial day weekend work for anyone? Ovi, Vivec? The Krakow 7 who ate 9 debate seems to be going nowhere...

(I'm inspiried to write a story based on Scedualing Conflicts but I'm not sure I have the time.  ;))
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: Vivec on May 24, 2006, 04:22:50 pm
I was sort of planning on being lazy all Memorial Weekend.
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: sgore on May 24, 2006, 06:08:48 pm
I was sort of planning on being lazy all Memorial Weekend.

Well I can't say that was an unexpected answer... ::)
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: Tylui on May 24, 2006, 11:02:45 pm
I SO want to do this... Gimme a time and date and person and subject... They're going down!
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: Krakow Sam on May 25, 2006, 02:39:15 am
I didnt realise this had risen from the grave.

Vikings live in what we now call Scandinavia. There are no trees in Scandinavia. With these two facts in mind we must deduce that any leaves in that area were imported from the great leaferies in Mercia, Gaul and Carthage and furtively distributed in local markets by 'leafers' or Leifers.

Research shows that you are an idiot. The trees were (and still are) in Scandinavia. However, that place is really weird so the trees flew.  And if you look back at the vikings you can see that they had highly advanced wepons to kill this trees and get the leafes. This "Tree hunting" begain a real long time ago back when cave men roamed the earth. Cave paintings chow them riding on there mamoths in herds, just to get the dailly leafs, and this still goes on to this very day.
I refuse to debate with someone who spouts that much gibberish in one paragraph. This is a very serious matter.
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: 7 who ate 9 on May 25, 2006, 06:59:06 am
I didnt realise this had risen from the grave.

Vikings live in what we now call Scandinavia. There are no trees in Scandinavia. With these two facts in mind we must deduce that any leaves in that area were imported from the great leaferies in Mercia, Gaul and Carthage and furtively distributed in local markets by 'leafers' or Leifers.

Research shows that you are an idiot. The trees were (and still are) in Scandinavia. However, that place is really weird so the trees flew.  And if you look back at the vikings you can see that they had highly advanced wepons to kill this trees and get the leafes. This "Tree hunting" begain a real long time ago back when cave men roamed the earth. Cave paintings chow them riding on there mamoths in herds, just to get the dailly leafs, and this still goes on to this very day.
I refuse to debate with someone who spouts that much gibberish in one paragraph. This is a very serious matter.

Who says i wasn't being serious? The flying trees is just an old sayn. But those trees are very hard to reach, and there were imported leafs as you say, but Leif Ericson and some of his fellow vikkings wanted to hunt the trees down for their Scandinavia leaves. As i said earlier there are still trees in Scandinavia, but few of them because most of the vikkings chopped them down. There is proof of market leaves, but they weren't as popular as getting your very own Scandinavia leaves.
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: sgore on May 29, 2006, 02:45:51 pm
I think 7 and Krakow are a mismatched debate pair. Perhaps one could give it a try with a diffrent person or something. I don't know. It's not like this game is going anywhere... ;)
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: sgore on June 23, 2006, 07:28:01 pm
Okay, We've got a topic this time, and I'm Sticking with it! (Hopefully)  ;)
Whoever wants to debate, Step Forward please. (Even if you've gone before.)
(And now that people are finishing finals I would hope this would be doable)

Can you, or Can't you believe it's not butter?
(As this is a contravercial topic It will take some pretty impassioned debators)
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: Genesis on June 23, 2006, 08:50:43 pm
I can't believe its not butter. Quasi-zeteral theory states that it is, so it must be!

(Yes, I'm coming into this.   :o  8)  )
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: Clayface on June 24, 2006, 12:46:50 am
well I think it is butter, I mean it looks like butter, smells like butter, feels like butter, taste like butter,
so it MUST be butter, right?
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: Genesis on June 24, 2006, 05:17:37 am
YES, right Clayface!
I see you get it!
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: Kratok on June 24, 2006, 05:31:23 am
But you cant assume something is butter like that, what about copper and bronze, they both feel, smell, and taste the same, with little color difference.
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: Genesis on June 24, 2006, 05:35:19 am
Its not just that, you see. There is an entire thery on it.
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: Kratok on June 24, 2006, 01:10:04 pm
Yes, the only real way to tell is stab it out with a fork, and swallow it, *runs off*
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: Clayface on June 25, 2006, 12:20:27 am
But you cant assume something is butter like that, what about copper and bronze, they both feel, smell, and taste the same, with little color difference.

they dont taste the same
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: Kratok on June 25, 2006, 01:07:36 am
See? Another seperation
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: Clayface on July 03, 2006, 01:47:05 am
no no no , copper taste like copper,
and bronze taste like . . . . . anybody anybody.  . . .

yes, marshmellow fluff.
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: SmileyMan on July 03, 2006, 03:06:51 am
Yoink! *Steals the prize and runs off*
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: sgore on July 03, 2006, 01:50:12 pm
He won't get far. That's the runner up prize. A copy of the Mario Bros live action Movie.
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: Kratok on July 03, 2006, 01:51:40 pm
O.o *Ultralisk goes attacking Smiley Man for SOME reason*
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: SmileyMan on July 03, 2006, 03:42:15 pm
*SmileyMan's Bolt of Wtfpwn hits Ultralisk for 666999 damage. It's super effective*
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: Kratok on July 03, 2006, 04:21:50 pm
*Had already typed in "Power Overwhelming"*
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: Kratok on July 03, 2006, 04:47:43 pm
Stop Spamming Sauce on you!!!!
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: 7 who ate 9 on July 03, 2006, 04:56:06 pm
I've never reported before but.....can I now?
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: SmileyMan on July 03, 2006, 05:21:13 pm
I've never reported before but.....can I now?

No you can't.
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: sgore on July 03, 2006, 07:34:12 pm
Okay. Seeing as how Smily man has Hijacked the topic I'm assuming debate is over.

Voting will now open.

Poster 1: Seems to be a tag team of Genesis and Clayface
Poster 2: Is Kratok
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: Genesis on July 06, 2006, 12:53:31 am
Over already, I didn't even think it officialy started.

I wanted to do a cool debate like the one Kaze did.  :'(

Oh well.... "Sigh" For honorable reasons I will not vote.
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: shadowlord18 on July 06, 2006, 02:51:30 am
any time you need a debator i will try to help as one
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: sgore on July 06, 2006, 04:40:22 am
And the Winner is Kratok. 1-0.
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: Clayface on July 24, 2006, 01:03:53 am
start a new one, I might participate, but then again I might forget
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: sgore on October 13, 2006, 01:18:15 pm
Since Kaze's topic never got a fair run, and she was the winner of the 1st (And really the only well done debate), and it seems Vivec and Oviraptor aren't debating it any time soon, I've decided to put her topic back into play.

"In recent years officials have cracked down on organized cockfighting with ever-increasing efficiency. As a result, individuals in more archaic regions and neighborhoods have begun organizing hamsterfighting (see one of their internet ads here). Is strapping sharp objects to hamsters and pitting them against one another in fantastical fights to the death a severe violation of animal rights, or should its inimical implications (if there are any) be overlooked in the simple name of entertainment?"

Any takers? (If Oviraptor and Vivec still want to debate this topic I will give them prevelance, but right now, as it seems, I'm not so sure they're still going to...)
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: Clayface on May 28, 2011, 11:33:23 pm
I WANT TO DEBATE
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: sgore on May 29, 2011, 10:04:01 am
I was just about to revive this thread, strangely enough.
The technoliterary ghost of Kaze from 4 and a half years ago commands that her topic get a chance.

Now, Clayface, and anyone who believes they are a worthy opponent, this is going to be a difficult fight, I'm sure.
Make time to review the (slightly modified) rules:

Quote
The object of the game is for the first two people to sign up to debate intensively the topic I give you. If I tell poster one to debate that there are little men in their televisions and Poster two to be On the side that there's really just one man flipping a really fast flip book in the television I expect the debates to be well done, backed up with whatever "Evidence" and "Statistics" you can come up with and Hilarious.

Really this could go on forever with some posters but it has to end sometime, so the winner will finally be decided through a day's voting or so, after 5 posts from each one.
The Winner gets to decide the next topic for 2 posters to debate.
Have fun with this.   I'll reveal the topic when I get the first 2 debaters

Any other takers? This thing was a lot of fun last time we actually got a real debate going.
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: munchkin5 on May 29, 2011, 10:16:59 am
I'll do it!

I also think we should do this in proper debate format i.e; formal introductions on each side of the house stating qualifications ect., opening statements, rebuttals, final statements, q&a and then the vote.
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: sgore on May 29, 2011, 10:30:01 am
Awesome. Make sure to look at the PatMan/Kaze debate to get an idea of what this is supposed to be like and have fun with it.
Remember, photographic/video evidence is welcome.

Going by a coin toss from this service:  http://cgi.cs.duke.edu/~des/vct/vct.cgi at May 29, 2011, 01:23 PM (US Eastern Time Zone)
by which Poster 1 (Clayface) is heads, and Poster 2 (Munchkin5) is tails, it appears that Clayface will be arguing for the hamster fighting, and Munchkin will be arguing against it.

Make sure you have looked over the topic and understood it to the fullest of your capacities. Begin when you are ready. (I, or other members, may interject with questions at certain points. It will not subtract from your 5 post limit if you are to answer them in a seperate post from your main debate.)
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: Clayface on May 29, 2011, 08:56:47 pm
may I have a better description of the topic ?
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: sgore on May 29, 2011, 10:13:39 pm
"In recent years officials have cracked down on organized cockfighting with ever-increasing efficiency. As a result, individuals in more archaic regions and neighborhoods have begun organizing hamsterfighting (see one of their internet ads here).

Is strapping sharp objects to hamsters and pitting them against one another in fantastical fights to the death a severe violation of animal rights, or should its inimical implications (if there are any) be overlooked in the simple name of entertainment?"

In other words, can we as a society condone, or even outright support this sport of hamster fighting, or should we, as a people condemn it for all it is worth?

And I do like munchkin's idea of formal debate.
If you both have opening statements to give, that would work fantastically.
(and then go from there into your rebuttals and whatnot.)

But anyway, yes, Clayface, Tell me why we should make our hamsters fight, and Munchkin, tell me why we shouldn't.

Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: Clayface on May 29, 2011, 11:10:48 pm
for some reason my copy / paste is not working atm, so I'm going to fix this before posting my argument
i'll have my debate started tomorrow
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: munchkin5 on May 30, 2011, 09:09:37 am
I'm gonna wait for clayface then.
Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: Clayface on May 31, 2011, 12:00:38 am
welcome to the beginning of this debate,
tonights topics: Hamster fighting, new American pastime? or cruel joke.

Introductory statement:

As you know, hamsters are little animals that are kept as pets by many, what you may not have known, is there is a vast overpopulation of hamsters,
many stores that sell Hamsters, have to dispose of many, as they have too many to put in the cages, without crowding them, and they aren't selling fast enough.
Also, many might consider it animal cruelty, by the end of my argument, I am sure I can persuade you to change your mind.


now I believe I need to wait for his opening statement? or can I just continue with my argument, monologue style, or essay style if you will.
I stated what the debate is about, and the 2 arguments I am going to bring up.

Title: Re: Debate That! (If you can)
Post by: munchkin5 on May 31, 2011, 03:28:26 am
Professor Munchkin is Head lecturer of Animal Fightology at M.I.T, has written several books on animal ethics, and is recognised as a leading expert in animal fighting...

Thankyou all; It's a pleasure to be here to debate with my distinguished colleague, and in such a fine institution as the Gaming Steve Forum Games section.

There will be three main points to my argument today, the first, that hamsters don't deserve to be exploited like this, secondly, that hamsters can't fight and aren't even entertaining in a fight, and thirdly that my opponent is totally untrustworthy. I know many of you will already be in support of this side of the house, for you I would like to offer some more education on the issues at hand. For those undecided and on the other side of the house; I hope you'll be persuaded by my devastating arguments, and threats of violence against you and your families  ;).

I will now hand off to Mr. Clayface to deliver his arguments.