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Title: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: Ultimatum on June 06, 2016, 11:42:36 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1gxLvbX3Ow

Looking gooood!
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Post by: Inkling on June 06, 2016, 12:42:42 pm
That does look good!
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Post by: Ultimatum on June 06, 2016, 12:44:16 pm
Best thing is:Its a huge middle finger to microsoft!
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: PatMan33 on June 06, 2016, 01:45:46 pm
Wonder how long until that Wii U version is cancelled. :u

Am hype.
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Post by: eropS on June 06, 2016, 06:01:43 pm
I wonder how the over world -> smaller stages will translate to current gen stuff. Will it be one giant map with teleport mechanic or a more traditional alternate dimension for each level with one large zone connecting each dimension?

I hope they do something new and interesting, but old and tried probably will be fun too
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: Gauphastus on June 08, 2016, 05:36:55 am
I miss these kinds of games but in my house we used to play Spyro and Jak and Daxter. Kinda missed out on Banjo and DK.

I like how colorful it is. :0
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: PatMan33 on June 08, 2016, 09:55:00 am
Kinda missed out on Banjo and DK.

!!!!

We need to talk.
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Post by: Krakow Sam on June 08, 2016, 10:54:00 am
Yeah you gotta play that Blammo Kablooie.
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: Gauphastus on June 09, 2016, 02:53:16 am
that balmy kabujo
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: PatMan33 on June 09, 2016, 11:19:47 am
(http://i.imgur.com/yqQIjtr.png)
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: Cobra on June 10, 2016, 07:30:25 am
Oh man that was just dripping with Classic Rareware from every orifice.
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: Ultimatum on June 15, 2016, 02:47:19 pm
I miss these kinds of games but in my house we used to play Spyro and Jak and Daxter. Kinda missed out on Banjo and DK.

I like how colorful it is. :0

Me too man,Banjo has nothing on the purple dragon..
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: PatMan33 on June 15, 2016, 05:09:28 pm
Banjo has nothing on the purple dragon..

Inaccurate.
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: Ultimatum on June 16, 2016, 05:12:38 am
Can Banjo breath fire or fly?

I think not!
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: PatMan33 on June 16, 2016, 05:18:27 am
No he can't, that's what Kazooie does.

There's a optional sidequest in the second game that lets you turn her into a (really strong) dragon.
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: Krakow Sam on June 16, 2016, 10:30:42 am
Sorry dude but Spyro is the Sanic to Banjo-Kazooie's Mario. Being slightly more edgy and extreme doesn't make up for the games being a lot less good.
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: Tesla on June 16, 2016, 10:32:51 am
what dude, the original spyro trilogy was great
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: Ultimatum on June 16, 2016, 10:39:21 am
Sorry dude but Spyro is the Sanic to Banjo-Kazooie's Mario. Being slightly more edgy and extreme doesn't make up for the games being a lot less good.

but sanic can't breath fire or fly!

hes really fast though


my comments are all tongue in cheek-Disclaimer
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Post by: PatMan33 on June 16, 2016, 11:08:56 am
what dude, the original spyro trilogy was great

Definitely.

But Banjo-Kazooie and Banjo-Tooie are better by an order of magnitude.
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: Krakow Sam on June 16, 2016, 04:04:19 pm
what dude, the original spyro trilogy was great

Full disclosure I have never played Spyro even for a couple of minutes at a friends house or on a store demo console. :Y
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: Tesla on June 16, 2016, 04:13:08 pm
and ive never played any banjo-kazooie game, so guess we'll settle this in a trial by combat?
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: Krakow Sam on June 16, 2016, 04:36:23 pm
Great, first dibs on champion I pick this guy, no backsies.

(http://i.imgur.com/bV7aG0J.jpg)
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Post by: Cobra on June 16, 2016, 08:46:01 pm
Man I really want to dig out the N64 and play same B-K. Tried playing nuts and bolts again a few month ago by jus didn't have the same charm
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: PatMan33 on June 16, 2016, 09:41:58 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJwS9wfGblo

Top game. This new game is in excellent hands. Even the same music people. :3333333333333333333

Even the water levels are good.
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: eropS on June 17, 2016, 04:47:51 pm
Oh man now i'm so excited for this game
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Post by: PatMan33 on August 17, 2016, 06:56:47 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqmF8IgxtJ0

Looking alright so far. Not overhype, not underhype, but also not necessarily hype hype. I want to play a demo before I put any money down, though.

The controls really matter if they're trying to build a successor to Banjo-Kazooie.
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: PatMan33 on August 18, 2016, 03:26:44 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1F_bG-uJMns
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: Cobra on August 31, 2016, 02:24:22 pm
You can see so much of the old Rare charm in that. I really got to make sure I don't get my self too hyped.
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: PatMan33 on September 25, 2016, 07:37:41 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TZo5Gnxog8

It's a bee and a duck in a tank. :3
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: Gauphastus on September 25, 2016, 09:50:34 pm
and a trouser snake
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: /lurk on September 26, 2016, 05:06:11 am
Shovel Knight really is the go-to guy if you want to say "SEE SOMETIMES INDIE GAMES AREN'T ****!"

Everyone loves him. Dude's even got his own amiibo.
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: PatMan33 on September 26, 2016, 06:51:10 am
Admittedly, I like and dislike the character additions. I don't care that Shovel Knight is in it. But I also kinda do care... it seems like a side thing and not something I even care about  knowing right now at this point in the game. I'm more concerned about gameplay (which looks like it is there, but also looks a little hollow) and the level design (which looks pretty,  but some of the levels look somewhat open and uninspired).

So I'm a little uneasy about this project, but still excited. However, videos and announcements like this don't make me hopeful, because it is almost like waving their hands around over here so you aren't seeing what they are doing over there.
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Post by: Krakow Sam on September 26, 2016, 07:40:15 am
That fourth wall breaking crap is totally unearned for a brand new game that's heavily derivative of another game. How dare they.
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Post by: Inkling on September 26, 2016, 07:55:28 am
The "voices" of the characters seem like they'd get annoying fast.  I know what they're going for, but maybe that's one thing not to copy from Banjo.
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: PatMan33 on December 13, 2016, 07:24:14 am
Hrm...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5BqQXuzAAQ

I'm a little disappointed with this trailer. I've been a bit worried that the game generally looked sparse and bland, but chalked it up to the game still being in development. Yet this is (I think) the fourth trailer since the E3 trailer and the game still looks meh. Waiting for one of these trailers to come out where the game finally pops. Looks like I'm still waiting.
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: eropS on December 13, 2016, 05:45:33 pm
What? **** looks good to me, what looked bland? Seems the levels are decent sized, variable in topography themes and options, and **** they even had a DK country style minecart section. Looks prime time rareware to me
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: PatMan33 on December 14, 2016, 08:39:18 am
The levels look like they're along the same scale as Nuts and Bolts, but with fewer enemies and generally less detail. Even the textures look a little undercooked and if I'm being real honest, their Unity is showing a bit. Unity has this weird artifacting that pops up in its blur effect at distance, and I see that here... everywhere. Also, several of those segments looked very set up for a trailer rather than what I'd encounter in a level. You can see a blob of enemies and general activity around the player-character but beyond that there's quite literally nothing. Even if it is just a draw distance issue... that's some poor draw distance and I'd bet Banjo-Kazooie running on the N64 was better.

It's a worry. I've played an obscene amount of Rare's platformers and I know what I expect from them for a solid game. Right now I'm not seeing some things and am a little worried. Not super worried. But worried enough that I'm glad I did not back the project early.
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: Slinky on December 15, 2016, 08:07:46 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/BD2Nmjh.png)
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: eropS on December 15, 2016, 08:54:36 pm
Nice
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: Ultimatum on December 16, 2016, 08:50:34 am
I don't get it
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Post by: PatMan33 on December 16, 2016, 08:51:44 am
Death Stranding reference.
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: Ultimatum on December 16, 2016, 08:55:53 am
Right
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Post by: Gauphastus on December 16, 2016, 10:23:26 am
dont worry ultomato i didnt catch it either
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: PatMan33 on December 16, 2016, 10:26:26 am
Admittedly, while I had an idea what it was, I had to re-watch the beginning of the trailer to verify.
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: Cobra on January 07, 2017, 05:22:47 am
I don't know if the worlds are entirely bland but I can see ht you mean about the sparseness in some parts.
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: PatMan33 on January 19, 2017, 08:27:29 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VK2eCZYvlY

Comment sections are interesting. People want to play this on a Nintendo system, not another system. They're actually just going to sit around and wait for the Switch version or just get it on PC. Wow.

Guess a lot of people still feel pretty burned by what Microsoft did (they did nothing lol) with Rare.
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Post by: Cobra on January 28, 2017, 03:40:40 am
I'll play the livi day lights out of this on what ever console i can get it on (so ps4). I got that rareware platformer itch. The cream I got for it isn't making it go away.
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: PatMan33 on February 06, 2017, 05:43:25 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hc6tV3b2GEo

Ohhh man... I dunno! I'm still seeing the same problems with barren and kinda boring level design on that casino. Little worried, this game drops really soon.
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: Krakow Sam on February 06, 2017, 06:48:39 am
I see what you mean Pat. Also, the gamefeel yech! seems pretty lacking. Like, the enemies seem too light and floaty when they get attacked and the jump looks like it feels heavy and imprecise. Flange-o Kablooie never had those problems, that **** felt solid and tight like my ass
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: eropS on February 06, 2017, 07:38:31 am
Idk, things looked in order to me.

Enemies never were a true threat in most platformers I'm, and I liked the way the enemies were pushed back and fell. I can't speak for the jump cause it looks fine to me but it might play different. Level design I'm still not sure what the issue was. Iirc banjo wasn't teeming with life in a lot of levels? The emptiness I've seen so far hasn't detracted from the set pieces you play with imo so I'm not sure why it's an issue if you run on a floor with a few dudes km it before you get to your next set piece platform?
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: PatMan33 on February 06, 2017, 08:06:53 am
Yeah but Banjo came out 16 years ago. It's levels were also smaller, so there was a better ratio of "empty space" and "stuff". That casino level, just as an example, has massive expanses of nothing and there also doesn't seem to be a quick/fun way to traverse it. Even the most basic level in Banjo had terrain, a varied color palette, and distinct areas with their own charm. The puzzles are also a bit more challenging. And that's just the first level. They only get better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ARIUICeDJc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJwS9wfGblo

I dunno, man. I'm think Yooka-Laylee will be good, and I hope it will be great. But I dunno. I'm hoping it is just the casino level. Showing off the weakest part and wowing us with the rest.
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: eropS on February 06, 2017, 08:25:34 am
I mean sure banjo was old, but I'd imagine being a first party supported studio versus a kickstarter operation affords more resources. I'd imagine they'd rather have allocated to engine refinement, controls, and the actual puzzles/platforms. I guess I don't care about the massive expanses of nothing since the game isn't about those, and if extra doodads and tchotchskies are added I'm not sure what value they'd add to the gameplay

You're also comparing a game you've beaten multiple times to one you haven't played so seems unfair to judge challenge level appearance

I guess I don't understand these complaints, if the platforming is solid why is the ground being an empty floor on a casino such an issue you and everyone else seems to raise a flag with ?
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Post by: Krakow Sam on February 06, 2017, 10:33:50 am
Probably because the last Nostalgia-based Kickstarter "spiritual successor" game was Mighty Number 9 >_>
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Post by: Slinky on February 06, 2017, 11:05:54 am
I hope nostalgia is a fad of this decade and fades out when the 20s start. Like there's nothing wrong with appreciating older stuff but sometimes you just need to let classics lie.
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Post by: /lurk on February 06, 2017, 11:14:02 am
You're getting a Star Wars™ film every year UNTIL YOU DIE.

Pray that videogames don't become a dead medium like film.
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Post by: Slinky on February 06, 2017, 11:34:22 am
implying they aren't already
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Post by: PatMan33 on February 06, 2017, 12:25:17 pm
I guess I don't understand these complaints, if the platforming is solid why is the ground being an empty floor on a casino such an issue you and everyone else seems to raise a flag with ?

The foundation of a good platformer is twofold. You are absolutely correct that the controls need to be good. But the level design also has to be up to snuff. If the mechanics have nowhere to shine, then the mechanics are wasted.

These are just my observations based on decades of experience. I've got standards in mind when I look at new games, especially ones that are claiming to be bringing back an old style that I've played more than almost any other. It's all well and good if they want to make a 3D platformer with collectables again, but I'm seeing things that look wrong to me that a 15 year old game by many of the same people got very very right. So while I'll be okay with something that is good, I'd rather have something that is great.

If I see dumb mistakes I'm going to be doubly harsh because the team took money based on their pedigree. The level of expectation set was to deliver a game that was (hopefully) at least what Banjo-Kazooie was. So for better or for worse, that is what they're going to be judged against. And I don't think it is a problem of nostalgia or bias to have issues with core issues such as level design and mechanical fidelity. If anything is to be judged, that is it.

I see a game with somewhat bland levels that look too big and unfocused, leaving the actual gameplay to appear unrewarding. And how is that any better than the handful of mediocre 3D platformers that have dropped in the time since the genre was at its peak? I want something sublime. If they could do it on the N64, my expectations are gonna be about there.


Also, I guess it is worth noting that I haven't had a platformer to look forward to in a while. Especially one that might be really good. So I'm going to want to talk about it, even with limited information. Take it with a grain of salt, like you say: the game isn't even out yet. I'm hoping I am wrong! And yet... I can't confidently judge much else in this world, but dammit I seem to have an eye for some of these video games, and I just can't shake this feeling based on what I'm seeing. :\
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: eropS on February 06, 2017, 06:22:46 pm
I guess that's reasonable. I see it as a bit of an extrapolation but you feel how you feel so we'll find out
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: PatMan33 on February 07, 2017, 08:22:05 am
Sounds good to me! ;D

In a perfect world, you're right and I'm just worrying too much.
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: Krakow Sam on February 07, 2017, 09:16:27 am
And no recent events have led me to believe we live in anything but a PERFECT WORLD. >____________________________________________________>
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: Celdur on February 07, 2017, 10:01:01 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kl3H4vMqYNo
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: Slinky on February 07, 2017, 11:17:47 am
MY POTIONS AREN'T FIT FOR A BEAST LET ALONE A MAN
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: PatMan33 on February 28, 2017, 10:40:38 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLRUce0a9CA

This level definitely looks better than the casino level. But I dunno... are the characters too small or are the environments too big? What's going on here? The part at around 1:00 in the video really stuck out to me. Besides being dark, that area doesn't look too challenging. In fact, any challenge is derived from the player attempting to do it quickly, rather than just walking it. And you can clearly see the path in the distant, unlit areas so why even bother with the glow thing? And then even if you walk it, it is so big and you are so small that it's going to take a long time to just get from here to there with minimal challenge.

But hey, let's spend the next week talking about the ice key instead. ICE KEY!!

D:
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: Slinky on February 28, 2017, 12:42:53 pm
Maybe you're just overanalyzing it, it's just a kids' platform game which is pretty hard to mess up (I think?) and the guys who made it seem to have a lot of good experience under their belts, so I'm sure it'll still be pretty fun :) Did you pre-order it?
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: PatMan33 on February 28, 2017, 03:34:53 pm
Maybe you're just overanalyzing it, it's just a kids' platform game which is pretty hard to mess up (I think?)

I don't mean to be a jerk or otherwise sound condescending, but you're very very wrong. It isn't hard to mess up a platformer.

And I probably am over-analyzing it, but again, they sold this game based on a certain pedigree (which happened to be one of the best), so I'm going to look at it with a critical eye. I didn't pre-order it because I didn't necessarily have faith that the old Rare team could still make a great game . I want them to, but I wasn't going to hold my breath. I expect a game that is about equal to or better than Banjo-Kazooie. Right now I don't see that. But I need more data!
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Post by: PatMan33 on February 28, 2017, 03:42:53 pm
Also, I disagree that this is a kids game, or that the game being a kids game would excuse any bad design choices. This game was very clearly marketed to people that loved Rare's old Nintendo 64 games who are now adults.
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Post by: Cobra on February 28, 2017, 06:05:45 pm
If it was hard to mess up this type of game they would churn them out still like fos shooters. That ice world gives me some hope. Fingers crossed
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Post by: Slinky on February 28, 2017, 06:09:17 pm
I get where you're coming from Pat. It might be that I didn't grow up with Banjo-Kazooie so I don't see the same problems that you do. I hope it'll be good :)
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: Krakow Sam on March 01, 2017, 12:50:33 am
https://youtu.be/rf_3ZTp4eG4?t=16
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Post by: PatMan33 on March 20, 2017, 05:44:49 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvXbFInv8vw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nB0ZkuKgvUo

Hub worlds looks nice. Very Banjo-Tooie. "Tropics" looks pretty solid. "Glacier" is still kinda lame. :3

Playlist of new vids: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLGUxY0sFsGe1aP9c3gUSeepmYKI1G-WG9
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: PatMan33 on March 24, 2017, 07:32:16 am
NOT VIDYA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRNDnR9Za4M
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Post by: Gungnir on March 25, 2017, 07:10:25 am
First off, Destiny has been getting involved in stupid Drama since his SC2 days in 2012.

The video you posted doesn't exactly say what JonTron said that was controversial, though I will admit I got pissed off by its biased presentation and stopped watching halfway through. It makes it seem like "oh, he has different opinions, so now the industry is blacklisting him and the inept media want him dead" (as an aside, that bit about secret/not secret racism is stupid. The articles were by different authors. There is no completely unified media hivemind coordinating all this). I am completely OK with a company deciding they don't want to work with someone who doesn't fit their moral viewpoints. That's their call. And also ethno-nationalism in the US is stupid. I'd get into this but this thread isn't the place. Too late I got into it below.

 **** JonTron. He can go work for an anti-immigrant gaming company.

Here's the actual Destiny interview thing. Listening to it now, JonTron is also an idiot. He can't seem to put two and two together and see the link between systematic oppression of minorities (specifically black people) and high rates of crime in majority black areas.

https://youtu.be/6RQA9GZprqM?t=142

edit: JonTron: "I'm just saying, like, you can't make the argument that whites should be ok with them being a minori- becoming a minority in the countries that their ancestors built, if it doesn't apply to other countries."

- What's wrong with white people becoming a minority? Who gives a ****?

Man if you (the metaphorical/general 'you', not you in particular) listen to this interview and find yourself agreeing with JonTron...I don't even know.

edit 2: He's now upset by white displacement. Ok, so white people have had massive advantages in society compared to people of other races for centuries. So, when other people start doing better, and white people start to lose some of those benefits, it's "white genocide" or "white displacement." Oh man this guy.

Oh and now he's saying that European colonization of Africa was a non-complicated good thing. Ok sure. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atrocities_in_the_Congo_Free_State)

edit 3: Hahahahah he says that the court system in America isn't racist. This dude.

edit 4: Oh man this dude is saying Mexicans are coming to this country because we have better welfare.

edit 5: Hah, he thinks the main opposition to abortion in Europe is apparently because of Muslims. Ireland has their ban because of Catholicism, and Poland nearly pushed a law through Parliament mainly because of Catholic anti-abortion groups.
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: Slinky on March 25, 2017, 09:11:10 am
Yeah JonTron seems like one of those right wing guys who learns everything he thinks from other internet right wing guys
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Post by: Gungnir on March 25, 2017, 12:04:00 pm
Edited my original post one more time just to clarify, and will post here just to make sure

When I said "if you listen to this interview..." I didn't mean to call you out in particular Pat (or other people). It was a more general, kinda airy type of "you."
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Post by: PatMan33 on March 25, 2017, 12:06:46 pm
First off, Destiny has been getting involved in stupid Drama since his SC2 days in 2012.

The video you posted doesn't exactly say what JonTron said that was controversial, though I will admit I got pissed off by its biased presentation and stopped watching halfway through.

Aw man this jew safari isn't about what JonTron said, you goober. That was last week's jew safari!!

This video is about the dumb response from Playtonic and Team17. If people want their money back, they should be able to get their money back. I'm sure there are actually people dumb enough to want to back a game because some sperglord is doing a gibberish voice in it.

Also, good on you for sitting down and watching the stream though. It was exciting and fun. Now you gotta finish Metokur's video, because it sounds like you closed it before he got to his actual point and ended up wasting a lot of ink lolol

But your point is well taken, I get what you mean.
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: Ultimatum on March 25, 2017, 12:08:06 pm
Jon is being removed as a voice actor from Yooka-Laylee,and the move is entirely justified no matter what his defenders say,he aired his racism in public and as a direct result it has made people unwilling to associate themselves with him
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: PatMan33 on March 25, 2017, 12:10:29 pm
And that was never up for debate.

The debate (as referenced by Metokur's video) is about refunds. Some customers want and feel entitled to a refund and the game developers and publishers have been denying, ignoring, and mocking these people. That's stupid, they're presumably going to be making more games in the future and probably with the same Kickstarter-style model. Really isn't wise to poison the well, even if you think it is only a small minority of backers.
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: Krakow Sam on March 25, 2017, 12:12:22 pm
Well if that's the case then why did Metokur spend so much time basically defending Jon or trying to downplay his obviously garbagey views at the start instead of cutting to the chase.

It was a rhetorical question, it's because Metrokur is an obnoxious troll :Y
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: Krakow Sam on March 25, 2017, 12:12:50 pm
Well if that's the case then why did Metokur spend so much time basically defending Jon or trying to downplay his obviously garbagey views at the start instead of cutting to the chase?

It was a rhetorical question, it's because Metrokur is an obnoxious troll :Y
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: PatMan33 on March 25, 2017, 12:16:52 pm
Yeah, you definitely answered your own question there. :P
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: Gungnir on March 25, 2017, 12:17:44 pm
Ah, ok. Yeah, I started the video up again. I still maintain that the first half doesn't represent JonTron's comments honestly, but this refund thing is...more complicated.

1) If you pre order, and want a refund (for any reason), you should be given one. If you're gonna take a moral stand and not work with a bigot, then probably give back the pre-order money of people who are upset by your decision.
2) If you kickstart a game...it's not exactly like a preorder? So I'm not as sure about how refunds should be handled for kickstarter, because a lot of people do use it as a sort of pre-order service.

The blarble blarble garb garb part the video points out, that was tweeted by Chris (not Kurt!) Schilling, whoever that is: It's not JonTron's voice he's making fun of. It's the speech style in youtube.
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: PatMan33 on March 25, 2017, 12:49:07 pm
Ah, ok. Yeah, I started the video up again. I still maintain that the first half doesn't represent JonTron's comments honestly

You are right about the first half of the video. He doesn't do much to properly represent what Jon said.
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: eropS on March 25, 2017, 02:48:41 pm
Lol. No one deserves a refund from a kickstarter. They paid for the promise of a game that was described. Playtonic could send everyone a $.50 ukulele and call it delivered, kick starter backers have no rights
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: Ultimatum on March 25, 2017, 02:54:45 pm
If the kickstarter failed then they would get  their money back,kick starters do have some rights after all to say so is entirely misleading
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: eropS on March 25, 2017, 04:29:04 pm
Money back from who? If the check is cashed and company is out of money, good luck
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: Ultimatum on March 25, 2017, 04:50:03 pm
From Kickstarter

But since their kickstarter succeeded they wont get their money returned to them
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: eropS on March 25, 2017, 05:13:00 pm
Oh you mean if it doesn't get the funding.

Well yeah sure that's not really what I was referencing though
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: /lurk on March 25, 2017, 05:41:15 pm
Lol. No one deserves a refund from a kickstarter. They paid for the promise of a game that was described. Playtonic could send everyone a $.50 ukulele and call it delivered, kick starter backers have no rights

Under EU law preorders must be refunded on request at any time until the product is actually supplied.

It's not our fault the USA is an ass-backwards authoritarian-capitalistic postapocalyptic ****hole where people have no rights and horrible things happen all the time for no reason. Blame the eternal yankee.

Edit:
(http://i.imgur.com/mSDvVyx.png)
It should be "hoard".
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: Celdur on March 25, 2017, 06:07:15 pm
I know playtonic can do what they want and that's their right, but I'm getting pretty tired of people getting fired over ****ty opinions.
I mean, sure, if it's a PR person or whatever I can see it, but if it's anything else then I really don't think you should fire people for airing their views, no matter how bad.
Because all that does is prevent people from being honest about their beliefs, and that means they'll just keep it to themselves, and they'll never be challanged on them.
I think this whole fear of the wrong opinions is a big part in causing more people to find those forbidden opinions appealing, because they don't hear anyone ever refuting them.

Also, gungnir, please look up what bigot means, ****.

I think that debate between jontron and destiny was pretty healty, even if it was a retarded debate by all standards.
Jontron was bringing up the dumbest things, and destiny also said some really ****ed up ****, the difference being that destiny is apparantly a lot better at debating things.
But look at it this way: Jontron heard about this **** somewhere, maybe pol or whatever, he probably saw some dumb statistics on black crime or whatever while looking up **** about the whole anti white sjw fringe stuff or some ****. And yknow, a lot of those statistics are true, but they are coupled with dumb points about blacks being this or that, and he saw the points made, with no one to refute them. Whose fault you think that is? No one is allowed to talk about these hatefacts, let alone how they got to that point, or what's causing them in the first place.
Jontron is not a hateful guy, you can't blame the guy for having questions. In a heated debate people say a lot of dumb **** as they try to reach for some kind of argument, it's a lot worse if they suck at debating too. Please, don't condemn people for **** like this, its not going to help anyone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIFf7qwlnSc

Also it's 3 in the morning so this is probably imposible to read, sorry.
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: eropS on March 25, 2017, 06:28:21 pm
"Whose fault you think that is?"

His? For not considering his sources or the larger context of the beliefs he's co-opting

People are more than allowed to talk about it I'm not sure what you mean by that.
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: PatMan33 on March 25, 2017, 10:22:11 pm
So we talked about this at work. It was myself, my female SJW co-worker, and a third male coworker that is nu-gamer trash.

We all came to an agreement about this issue: Jon said dumb things but we still like Jon, also companies need to stop being dicks to their customers over reasonable requests. lol I don't know what our problem is here. Even the SJW understood and she agreed that new gamers are trash. :U

Celdur, you rock on you cool dude. I agree with what you said.


Now, when I told her that her opinions about Game Grumps are garbage, she got very threatening, which I love. She likes new GG over old GG. CRAZY, RIGHT?
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: Slinky on March 26, 2017, 12:05:58 am
its ok to have different opinions from someone tho
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: /lurk on March 26, 2017, 05:18:47 am
It's not OK to like the     Game Grumps.
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: Celdur on March 26, 2017, 06:47:35 am
"Whose fault you think that is?"

His? For not considering his sources or the larger context of the beliefs he's co-opting

People are more than allowed to talk about it I'm not sure what you mean by that.

Well sure, it's partly his fault, but I disagree that you can openly talk about the kind of statistics he was talking about.
Go ahead and get on twitter and just post the usual black crime statistics, with no other context, and people will jump to conclusions about your stance on those things. Because the only people talking about those usually are the racists, Yet they are still true statistics.

Anyway, god damnit, can a mod move these last few posts to the politics thread or something? this is really out of place here.
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: Tesla on March 26, 2017, 06:55:13 am
She likes new GG over old GG. CRAZY, RIGHT?

I never unsubbed from Game Grumps when Jon left, I continued watching for a while but gradually lost interest because it's not nearly as good.

But when I saw they were playing Breath of the Wild I decided to check it out, and the first ten seconds of the first episode were what finally pushed me to unsubscribe. Check it out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V82qSnN9eFE
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: Krakow Sam on March 26, 2017, 06:59:57 am
Well it seems like the whole concept of Let's Plays has shifted into the "kids and teenagers" demographic. Kids and teens love them some SILLY VOICES BLOOT BLOOP BLOOT VAGINA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOWYweFDzSk
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: Inkling on March 26, 2017, 08:05:15 am
It's all Public Relations.  The Yooka-Laylee people feared backlash from Jon's political flailings more than the backlash of kicking him off the project.  Was it the right call?  Hell if I know.

These kinds of discussions on Twitter, or a Twitch/Youtube "debate" isn't just talking through an issue to get a better understanding.  It's putting yourself out there for the entire world to critique.  And when you're a public figure like Jon, arguing in public about controversial issues you don't have a good understanding of is a really easy way to damage your image.  It's one thing to talk extemporaneous crap about videogames, it's very different to do so about race issues.

Didn't watch the actual debate video, not going to, you can't make me.
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: PatMan33 on March 26, 2017, 08:30:11 am
Haaah okay.

I agree with your assessment, Ink. And ultimately the company are allowed to do as they see fit at this point; however, it was incredibly stupid of them to allow these moderators or PR personnel to behave with such impropriety toward customers. If people want to boycott, they have every right. These guys need to recognize that they can't go into "troll mode" or whatever when you're repping a company, especially when most of the threads that actually got "official" responses were written in well-meaning, polite ways.


Check it out:

(http://i.imgur.com/jSP6QlM.gif)

Sometimes I think I should stream my games. Other times I think "this is exactly the thought those losers on YouTube had at one point."
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: Inkling on March 26, 2017, 09:10:10 am
Good point, I haven't really looked at the company's behavior either.  No idea how the game people handled it or if people wanting money back from a kickstarter that's about to ship have anything to stand on asking for money back this late.
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: PatMan33 on April 04, 2017, 11:22:09 am
Yook-Look reviews are in. They're a bit lookwarm.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/63emql/yookalaylee_review_thread/

And I never know where Jim Sterling is coming from with his reviews. Probably why most people just ignore him.

The long and short seems to be:

-if you could play BK today and love it, you'll love YL.
-if you played BK today and felt it was meh and old, you'll probably feel the same about YL.
-if you were expecting YL to be a reinvention of the genre or otherwise advance it forward in meaningful ways, you'll probably want to keep waiting for someone to make that game.

Looking forward to trying it out though. Seems like I'm the type that will enjoy it the most.
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: PatMan33 on April 10, 2017, 03:05:33 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4FPodGR82U

Yooka-Looka!
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: /lurk on April 11, 2017, 02:24:23 pm
ECH ECH ECH ECH ECH ECH ech ECH ECH ech ECH ECH ECH

All this **** over ECH ECH ech ECH ech ech ECH ECH ECH
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: PatMan33 on April 11, 2017, 02:38:03 pm
Ech did nothing wrong.
Title: Re: Yooka-Laylee!
Post by: Celdur on April 11, 2017, 02:57:42 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmUiVXW4R5E