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Title: Gamergate: War on Festivus Edition
Post by: Inkling on September 04, 2014, 08:14:47 pm
There's been a lot of talk recently about the state of video game journalism.  We've known Kotaku SucksTM for a long time now, but it seems this whole Quinnspiracy thing has blown up the issue.  So far we've been mostly talking about it in the off topic topic, but this seems like an issue that's going to be around for a while and I figured it can have it's own thread.  So the Kotaku Sucks thread can be for actual news about games, and this thread can be about all the hacks surrounding gaming.
Title: Re: Gaming Journalism: You're a Horrible Person, Click here to find out why.
Post by: Inkling on September 04, 2014, 08:16:59 pm
First up, from the BBC.  An online petition with two thousand signatures is big enough to be newsworthy, and you're sexist if you don't believe Anita.

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-29028236
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Post by: Plank of Wood on September 04, 2014, 10:04:28 pm
Incoming "cry about Anita Sarkeesian on the internet dot com" thread.
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Post by: Inkling on September 04, 2014, 10:21:18 pm
Yeah, maybe.  There's lots of stuff flying around, I'm taking all of it with a grain of salt.  Anita is a known quantity, I'm just surprised that this was on the front page of the BBC.
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Post by: PatMan33 on September 04, 2014, 10:28:02 pm
Mainstream proliferation in five... four... three...
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Post by: Tesla on September 05, 2014, 11:37:59 am
All this "game journalism" stuff is such whiny BS. It makes for entertaining drama, and while one side is usually obviously right, they're almost always right in a way that's just as obnoxious (if not downright horrendous) as their rivals.
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Post by: Plank of Wood on September 05, 2014, 05:39:13 pm
Incoming "cry about Anita Sarkeesian on the internet dot com" thread.
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Post by: Gauphastus on September 05, 2014, 06:20:04 pm
I've been watching this mess since it started.

I love it. :3

EDIT: http://webmup.com/hGMI3/
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Post by: Plank of Wood on September 05, 2014, 06:29:47 pm
Plank clearly falls into the troll category with his coach Boomer impression.

Or maybe I'm sick of this tired arseing Anita Sarkeesian topic enveloping all conversation that is barely tangentially related to it since 2012, like some sort of escaped goo monster experiment.

But since I'm not writing that in the form of a 12 paragraph long thesis like every other circlejerk on the subject I'm clearly a troll.

(http://i.imgur.com/2znBA.jpg)
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Post by: sgore on September 05, 2014, 06:39:48 pm
I'm kinda with Plank on this. If we want to talk about gaming journalism (and since journalism is the field I work in, I'm always passionate about discussing it) let's maybe use a less polarizing, exhausted topic as a starting point? Please?
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Post by: Plank of Wood on September 05, 2014, 06:51:45 pm
Your attitude is dismissive, not constructive and most of all, your attitude is an impediment to any resolution that would end the very thing you are sick of.  You are helping to perpetuate what you hate.

I wrote what I wrote in part because of a video that was linked to in boogie2988's twitter feed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E76CVY5ZPJc

I empathize with this guy.   If you can't, I am sorry for you.  Casting aspersions by referring to everything in this thread as crying or whining/whinging, which is so common in gaming chats and forums, is just being a **** to other human beings.  So, yes, you are clearly acting like a troll.

I'm sorry if I've upset you, but as someone who has heard literally every single possible slant and argument on this entire fiasco I really don't care for the subject at all any more, especially in a thread that was supposed be about something completely different. Absolutely nobody, nobody, at this point is in this debate with the assumption they will change or progress their views in any way. "Debating" Anita Sarkeesian's antics is more akin to masturbation than actually debating anything 2 years down the line. The argument isn't getting "resolved", nor do I expect "what I hate most" (lel am I a Jedi now) to vanish.

If you want to say that's "acting like a troll" (whatever that even means at this point), then w/e.


I'm kinda with Plank on this. If we want to talk about gaming journalism (and since journalism is the field I work in, I'm always passionate about discussing it) let's maybe use a less polarizing, exhausted topic as a starting point? Please?

Exactly.

Let's talk about what I think is actually one of the main reasons, if not the reason, why most games journalism is garbage - the fact that per-click ad revenue  is by far the most prevalent way writers for new media are paid. It inherently leads to sensationalism and clickbait throughout the games journalism trade, and means that actually good writers are forced to write the Buzzfeed-esque "Hottest Boob in Gaming" lists we've all come to know and cherish.
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Post by: PatMan33 on September 05, 2014, 06:58:36 pm
I've been watching this mess since it started.

I love it. :3

(http://i.imgur.com/FaAZgJS.jpg)

YES YES
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Post by: Plank of Wood on September 05, 2014, 07:14:08 pm
[snip ]Anita Sarkeesian [snip]

You keep using that name.  I never did.  My posts were about 1) gaming journalists attacking all gamers without cause 2)"Google-challenged" celebrities running with that anti-gamer narrative 3) demonstrating how that narrative is despicable.

Don't even pretend that's not what the whole thing is referring to/centred around.
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Post by: PatMan33 on September 05, 2014, 07:19:35 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/4FCu6at.jpg)
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Post by: sgore on September 05, 2014, 07:24:49 pm
Exactly.

Let's talk about what I think is actually one of the main reasons, if not the reason, why most games journalism is garbage - the fact that per-click ad revenue  is by far the most prevalent way writers for new media are paid. It inherently leads to sensationalism and clickbait throughout the games journalism trade, and means that actually good writers are forced to write the Buzzfeed-esque "Hottest Boob in Gaming" lists we've all come to know and cherish.

Yeah. I don't like the impact that whole structure is having (which, it's worth noting, is unfortunately not exclusive to games journalism).

I just came across a pretty comprehensive editorial from April in American Journalism Review regarding how audience data is or should be used in newsrooms.

I admittedly haven't read the whole thing yet (gotta wake up a 3 AM tomorrow, so I'm heading to bed early) but it seems to make some interesting criticisms: http://ajr.org/2014/04/15/give-journalists-right-metrics-pay-performance/

Specifically:

Quote
when used poorly, metrics can lead to low morale in newsrooms and justify fears that the desire to create great or important content will be sacrificed in favor of cat videos and an endless stream of Miley Cyrus stories. The critics (and anyone who saw MTV’s Video Music Awards last year) are right to fear this.

To be clear, healthy and unhealthy uses of data are not binary states so much as a continuum on which almost all modern newsrooms sit. Two key factors indicate where on the continuum any particular organization will perch:

 1.   Does the newsroom focus on metrics that align with good content and long-term audience growth, or on metrics that focus on link optimization and short-term revenue growth?

  2.  Does the newsroom frame metrics as data intended to support and illuminate, or as a yardstick against which journalists will be paid?

Getting to the healthy end of the continuum starts with picking the right metrics, and then avoiding the temptation to pay journalists based on those metrics.
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Post by: Slinky on September 05, 2014, 08:34:09 pm
*time out for group hug and donuts*

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Post by: PatMan33 on September 05, 2014, 08:46:57 pm
No Slinky. You are young and must learn our ways.

We will let them kill one another.   ._.
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Post by: sgore on September 06, 2014, 12:10:43 am
It's cool Slinky. I'll share a package of Milanos with you. They are the greatest time out snack. Better than doughnuts.
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Post by: Gauphastus on September 06, 2014, 12:44:28 am
You know, sometimes I see this shoddy journalism, weak reviews, boring articles, press release parroting..
Makes me wanna start a blog and be some nobody game reviewer and just talk about games. I'd have a small, humble following but it'd be nice.

But I see what dudes like TotalBiscuit go through. I don't necessarily agree with everything he says but I appreciate his work.
Honestly, I'd find it incredibly annoying to make my own space, share some thoughts, and then have people who don't appreciate ANYTHING butt on in and give me crap over nothing.

It's nothing. It's air.


I wonder if that's how these journalists feel.
I figure they're still in the wrong for their dishonesty and self-righteousness, not even mentioning the collusion and god awful pandering.
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Post by: eropS on September 06, 2014, 02:08:12 am
You can write for the Brian Jacques Experiment
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Post by: PatMan33 on September 06, 2014, 06:15:13 am
Agreed.

That mainstream games journalism may be falling apart is only to our advantage and a complete coincidence. :3
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Post by: Cobra on September 06, 2014, 06:25:30 am
And soon you will be able to sign your own deal with Doritos to sell corn chips.
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Post by: PatMan33 on September 06, 2014, 06:26:31 am
Send me that sweet sweet Dew.
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Post by: PatMan33 on September 06, 2014, 08:09:23 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsDpX9WSXnc


**EDIT**
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqJCCnued6c
This video is older. But is an early Internet Aristocrat video about the Anita lady.
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Post by: Slinky on September 06, 2014, 09:52:16 am
If I don't survive, tell my wife I said, "Hello."
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Post by: Tesla on September 06, 2014, 09:54:42 am
As someone who considers themselves something of a non-partisan on this topic, I'm curious, what do people see as the end-game for this stuff? Debating endlessly on things like doxxing or feminism in games or pay-per-clicks or whatever? For the life of me, I can't see any outcome other than people eventually getting bored of the topic and moving on to talk about something else, with no real resolution or closure of any kind. I'm so jaded by all this.
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Post by: PatMan33 on September 06, 2014, 10:08:55 am
I want the corruption in games journalism to stop because it's messing with the industry. Kotaku sucks.
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Post by: Gauphastus on September 06, 2014, 10:25:28 am
I dunno. I don't see much of an endgame besides some blackballing. I don't think even a few of these people will ever apologize or otherwise own up to their cock-ups, I doubt that we'll see much change in the long-term but I figure this might scare enough people to behave for awhile short-term. Maybe.
There's been a lot of downright miserable behavior on part of the journalist, feminist, and SJW crowd. They need a huge dose of empathy but since their focus always seems to be outward at everyone else they'll never look inside themselves and see that they're being complete douchebags.

I don't expect a site like kotaku to shut down over this. The notion is silly. But I do hope that every sane person who saw this fiasco go on gets their facts in order, uses the names of every one of these pricks and never does business with them again.
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Post by: PatMan33 on September 06, 2014, 10:49:09 am
Yeah isn't it great? Gauph, get the corn.

To be more serious though. I agree, it's more than one issue. On the point that I am fond of, the issue of ethical games journalists, I've already made my choice. I stopped reading their stuff years ago. I don't even give them clicks. But I would like to have a mainstream games media again that I can visit and enjoy. There's nothing wrong with having a mainstream, they can do things that bloggers can't.

And then on the "women in gaming" thing, I think they have good points too. There are fewer women represented in gaming either as protagonists or antagonists. But none of that matters if the game is bad. And so when I and other gamers see the development process getting interrupted or otherwise bothered by these so-called social justice warriors, resentment will form. Because that's just stupid.

(http://i.imgur.com/OgKCKf8.gif)
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Post by: Tesla on September 06, 2014, 11:58:30 am
Oh I wasn't lumping them together, I was just saying... Any of those things, really.

That said, with regards to representation of women in video games, I think there'll always be misrepresentations, but the true representations will improve over time and increase in number. That's possibly partially due to people like Sarkeesian, but for the most part I think it'll be due to the increasing exposure of video games to the mainstream market and acceptance as a form of media on par with TV or film. In the short term, a lot of the people who think they're helping just seem to be making things worse.
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Post by: Gauphastus on September 06, 2014, 09:08:05 pm
Man, some of this stuff is so dumb. These conversations are absolutely ridiculous most of the time. So much intellectual dishonesty, cognitive dissonance, lack of reading comprehension skills..
It's frustrating.
"i support gamergate 'cause gaming journo corruption affects me"
"then you support a misogynist pedophile hate campaign. kthx blocked :)"

Christ.

And now that the movement has become much larger I suspect we'll start seeing even more nasty, criminal acts on the part of trolls and crazy people. We've got alleged CP now. What do you bet will be next? Vandalism? Assault?

EDIT:
(http://i.imgur.com/LyCNswY.png)

I just

EDIT2: Morons.
http://i.imgur.com/W6t7Xrc.jpg
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Post by: PatMan33 on September 06, 2014, 10:04:26 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/55U749w.gif)(http://i.imgur.com/Q1PsQrX.gif)(http://i.imgur.com/55U749w.gif)
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Post by: PatMan33 on September 06, 2014, 10:33:16 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpwyEq_m0zc

You won't have to wait long. 8)
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Post by: PatMan33 on September 07, 2014, 12:14:03 am
Forgive me, but I can't tell if this thread has turned into slow speed accident lulz, or if there is still some real point to be made here.

Several conversations happening at once.
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Post by: Tesla on September 07, 2014, 02:30:18 am
(http://i.imgur.com/QkhJXO4.gif)
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Post by: PatMan33 on September 07, 2014, 10:23:23 am
I think that's the core of /v/'s argument.

They have no issue with feminism necessarily, but they take exception with a movement being represented by frauds that are, frankly, putting their proverbial dicks in everyone's pie. Anita Sarkeesian was able to submit input on Mirror's Edge 2. What ****ing business does she have doing that? It's crazy, these people, man... and I suspect many developers are simply caught between a rock and a hard place what with having to make games and having to bend to the will of ever-oppressive publishing houses with an eye on social media rather than gaming.

Anyway, I am pretty much done with following this [for health reasons].


It is for this reason that I (and probably some others) offer some serious points with a hefty dose of humor and irreverence. :)

(http://i.imgur.com/YSslLC4.png)
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Post by: Slinky on September 07, 2014, 01:11:09 pm
Am I a bad person if I don't really care what's going on right now?
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Post by: PatMan33 on September 07, 2014, 03:39:24 pm
That is fine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC59EDr1-oM

The IGF angle is heating up.

sidenote: glad to see LordKat again!
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Post by: eropS on September 07, 2014, 03:45:58 pm
Wonder when the government will actually get involved and whose side they'll end up investigating.
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Post by: PatMan33 on September 07, 2014, 06:33:41 pm
Hot off the presses!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM_Z5YTop7g

This is the "to be released" CameraLady video mentioned in the previous video I posted.

(http://i.imgur.com/jbp3XKj.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/pUtbf0D.gif)
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Post by: eropS on September 07, 2014, 07:37:50 pm
Oh, those traffic stats are really neat. I like that.
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Post by: Gauphastus on September 07, 2014, 10:25:40 pm
You guys dead yet?
Anyone?

I thought I was dead earlier but I got better when I put down the Nintendo.


EDIT AGAIN:
(http://i.imgur.com/ejgBdCN.gif)
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Post by: PatMan33 on September 08, 2014, 12:16:29 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/D81M8QY.jpg)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T--L9z_ToT4

Also even if these people didn't do anything wrong, these games journos. What the heck do they have rocks for brains? How can they be so bad at PR?

Also, thank God for Jim. (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/9711-On-Game-Journalism-Corruption)
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Post by: PatMan33 on September 08, 2014, 01:00:58 pm
Here's a happy for everyone as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uS7W-OiPwjo
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Post by: Gauphastus on September 08, 2014, 05:11:17 pm
Ah, yeah. The blockbot thing. I heard about that the other day.
Absolutely ridiculous. No discussion required, guys. Just let these gents tell you what to think and buy. No big deal.

I -hate-
Ben Kuchera.

EDIT:
https://twitter.com/TripleSK7/status/509105586990878720

Good.
kotaku lost a sponsor if thats not clear
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Post by: PatMan33 on September 08, 2014, 08:21:19 pm
That is great news! Kotaku is one of the worst. That sponsors are leaving is satisfying and well-deserved.

And now that one has done it, maybe more will follow. All you need is that trickle to start the flood. And especially with this stuff, when people (or companies) see that they have backup, they are more willing to act. Because one thing I keep hearing is that a lot of people are pretty annoyed with Kotaku and the like for many reasons, not just these recent ones, but they cannot really do anything because Kotaku and its ilk have everyone by the balls.
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Post by: PatMan33 on September 09, 2014, 11:38:07 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e78JRIHRjC0

The Cynical Brit checks in.
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Post by: Gauphastus on September 09, 2014, 03:59:21 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/o6tcnGu.jpg)

I'd actually headdesk but I don't want to break my neck or something.


EDIT:
(http://i.imgur.com/yl8qhYj.jpg)

Man.. I'm glad I bailed on Polygon when they hired Kuchera.
I just don't want to support complete goddamned lunatics.
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Post by: PatMan33 on September 09, 2014, 07:32:33 pm
I can understand mouthing off like that on an anonymous forum. Anonymity gives you courage and sometimes encourages you to say stupid ****.

These people are doing this publicly, with their names there, with their faces for everyone to see. They realize everyone can see it, right? Surely they aren't essentially modern high school kids that have no concept of the Internet's openness. >_>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLgAP9VsvGQ

The Phil Fish stuff and LordKat's video may not be accurate and/or something is happening.
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Post by: PatMan33 on September 09, 2014, 08:44:08 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJyU7RSvs_s

BUT THIS TRAIN WON'T STOP!!
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Post by: PatMan33 on September 09, 2014, 09:28:36 pm
some choons to go with that last video wow it was a doozy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ei3-Qo9wHH4

Also Gauph come play Minecraft the server is up. Ink just built an awesome pyramid!
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Post by: PatMan33 on September 09, 2014, 09:54:11 pm
It was pretty wild.
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Post by: Inkling on September 09, 2014, 10:43:25 pm
Hey, I'm glad this thread is still going after I started it and was then AWOL from the site for a few days.  And yeah, I probably shouldn't have started with an article about She-who-must-not-be-named.  The point wasn't her, it was that it was on the freakin BBC.

I haven't read or watched everything posted in here, but I plan on catching up eventually.  (A two hour video, Pat? Seriously?)  So I have a few issues with all of this stuff.  One is that I don't know what the credible sources are.  The gaming sites in question have clearly lost credibility, but I have trouble trusting some guy on youtube, even if he has a wonderful speaking voice.  Actual journalists have barely touched the issue, and just ask CNN about 4chan if you want to see what happens when many mainstream outlets try to take on such topics.

And like people have said before, there are multiple parts of this mess.  I've said it in other places, I'm less interested in the fact that a number of indie game devs are nepotistic hacks who all sleep with each other and more interested in the fact that sites which cover video games apparently hate people who play video games.  I found an article that addresses this very well.  Ironically, it's from Slate, a site I usually don't consider credible at all.

http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/bitwise/2014/09/gamergate_explodes_gaming_journalists_declare_the_gamers_are_over_but_they.html
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Post by: /lurk on September 10, 2014, 03:45:08 am
We'll get through this together.

Trust in Pat.
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Post by: PatMan33 on September 10, 2014, 07:05:38 am
I love this guy's channel. He's all over the place. One minute it's this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FW-69xXD734

And the next video in the playlist is a 15 minute talk about ancient sling weaponry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nasLwFUMtqE
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Post by: Gauphastus on September 10, 2014, 05:57:59 pm
http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2g07sv/smear_campaign_against_gamergate/

Because that's classy.
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Post by: PatMan33 on September 10, 2014, 06:24:22 pm
Good ol Conde Nast.

Don't they also own Reddit now?


**EDIT**
Also what's up with this idea that 4chan "orchestrated" something? Why is that a bad thing.

Someone had to organize this ****. And 4chan is a collection of everyone from everywhere. What are they complaining about exactly? I just spent 40 minutes listening to a guy with an accent talk about a bunch of feminist academics orchestrating something and nobody cares about that. >_>
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Post by: PatMan33 on September 10, 2014, 06:56:41 pm
ALSO WE GOT EVENT STATUS IN THE HOUSE!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYNWOqXCJbw

UNDERSTAND.
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Post by: /lurk on September 10, 2014, 08:49:01 pm
**EDIT**
Also what's up with this idea that 4chan "orchestrated" something? Why is that a bad thing.

(http://i.cubeupload.com/n30ePX.gif)


It's easier for the media if there's a convenient hacker gang posting on a secret website to blame for everything, rather than admit that they're facing a grassroots campaign by their notional target audience.
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Post by: Inkling on September 10, 2014, 09:55:18 pm
ALSO WE GOT EVENT STATUS IN THE HOUSE!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYNWOqXCJbw

UNDERSTAND.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4V4IEV8l-gA
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Post by: PatMan33 on September 11, 2014, 08:02:07 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_K13iEWQfY

Deeper analysis of the ten articles that all came out at once last week about the death of gamers. Older video, but my shiggidy sides made me post it.

Well-paced throughout but really gets cooking around 35 minutes. Point number eleven. :o
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Post by: Gauphastus on September 11, 2014, 07:47:27 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BxSLo7qCUAA9vfR.png:large)

Really?
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Post by: PatMan33 on September 11, 2014, 07:51:40 pm
Maybe they're jealous of our coordination.

Death to females!!


**EDIT**
Was surfing some tubular grooves and found this. It's got all the tweets from early on where The Fine Young Capitalists had their **** rocked.

(http://i.imgur.com/CXI66Iu.png)

Death to males!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXBYXW5qUiA

SO FRESH! 29 MINUTES OLD HERE FIRST! FAKE DOORS HERE!
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Post by: Gauphastus on September 12, 2014, 10:37:08 am
I don't understand how this douche that runs NeoGAF can honestly say all this ridiculous crap, so much complete crap, and then try to act frank as if he's someone who can be taken seriously in this conversation. This guy is such a huge jag.
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Post by: PatMan33 on September 13, 2014, 08:12:11 am
She must be a fan of YTMND.
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Post by: Gauphastus on September 13, 2014, 11:18:45 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/SIWrznN.jpg)

Because that's not a ridiculous and dangerous idea or anything. We should be teaching young people to be skeptical, question authority, investigate and discover the facts. Exercise reasonable caution around others while you learn more. Be your own independent journalist or whatever. Don't just take people's inherently biased and possibly agenda-driven words at face value.

What a terrible idea. I just cannot believe that these people continue to come up with such stupid concepts to spread around.
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Post by: Inkling on September 14, 2014, 01:03:40 am
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/Not_Inkling/1376157456_front4.jpg)
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Post by: Gauphastus on September 14, 2014, 09:36:27 am
yeah i cant get used to that words actual usage either
i always get my head filled up with skateboards and backwards ballcaps and delirious biznasty
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Post by: Inkling on September 14, 2014, 12:14:09 pm
It's an interesting word choice.  Radical is not necessarily a positive description.
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Post by: Krakow Sam on September 14, 2014, 05:00:10 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/FTi11ON.jpg)
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Post by: PatMan33 on September 14, 2014, 08:11:19 pm
It's dead. Back to our holes.

Yo I love this guy he's a blast!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noMMVUfRv5A
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Post by: Gauphastus on September 15, 2014, 12:08:02 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/ie3MNdg.jpg)

Haven't heard much about this before. Seems nutty.
But NeoGAF is a useless echo chamber. We've seen problems come out of that site for years now.
I can't speak to this publicist stuff since this is the first I've heard of it. Guess I'll listen for more rumblings.
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Post by: Brandonazz on September 15, 2014, 01:01:17 pm
This makes me mad, but there are too many initialisms for me to be entirely sure why.
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Post by: Gauphastus on September 16, 2014, 01:06:34 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MxqSwzFy5w

You.
I like you.

EDIT: Okay, the youtube tag can go inhale a dong. Retarded garbage.
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Post by: PatMan33 on September 16, 2014, 01:15:33 pm
WUT IS THIS

REAL TALK IN MY CONTROVERSY


(http://i.imgur.com/1wDGTu4.png)

>mfw Maddox shows up
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Post by: Gauphastus on September 16, 2014, 04:13:46 pm
Getting legit mad that mods on 4chan have decided to globally ban all gamergate discussion with no explanation. People are getting banned left and right and nobody even understands why.
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Post by: Inkling on September 16, 2014, 06:57:40 pm
Oh, that's not going to go well.  Global ban meaning all boards and not just /v/?
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Post by: PatMan33 on September 16, 2014, 07:37:01 pm
Getting legit mad that mods on 4chan have decided to globally ban all gamergate discussion with no explanation. People are getting banned left and right and nobody even understands why.

This kills the movement and makes it stronger/more militant.

Who got bought and who did the buying?

Also what's up with this Zoe Quinn article on Cracked. (not linking it) I heard about it this afternoon and now people are speculating it may be related to the /v/ censorship. Also what the ****, why does nobody ever cry foul when these *******s clearly use the situation to make more money. She didn't need to write this article, I thought she wanted this stuff to go away as well. WHAT IS SHE DOING!?
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Post by: PatMan33 on September 16, 2014, 08:04:58 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdDDIIL-mdk

Oh hey speaking of...
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Post by: Inkling on September 16, 2014, 08:16:02 pm
Oh geez, I thought you meant an article about Quinn, not an article BY Quinn.

Pat we're gonna need more popcorn.

(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/Not_Inkling/popcorn.jpg)
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Post by: PatMan33 on September 16, 2014, 08:47:20 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/vIpsgN5.jpg)

I got something of my own. We can share though!
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Post by: Gauphastus on September 16, 2014, 08:48:48 pm
EDIT WAY LATER:
THIS POST WAS REALLY DUMB NEVERMIND

That is a large bag.

i ordered the xtreme size


Zoe probably did that piece to play the victim some more and to basically taunt gamergaters. There are a lot of people involved in the anti-gamergate movement that are being extremely inappropriate, jeering dickholes.

Like, okay. Video games? Neat. Video game journalism? Eh, I mostly do without it anyway. Whatever.
Nah, the one thing that bugs me the most about this whole thing is how terribly these people are behaving. I cannot stand people being dicks to others. I absolutely hate bullying, picking on others for their shortcomings, berating others for their mistakes..
It's completely unjust. The gamergate cause seeks actual justice. The anti-gamergate cause claims to seek justice but they keep acting horribly and interfering with forcing corrupt journalists from facing up to their wrongs. This could have been resolved if these prideful, inept bastards had just accepted that what they were doing was unprofessional and in some cases bordering on illegal.

Every day I wake up it's more drama. Drama might be fun as hell to watch unfold but I have trouble enjoying it when people are actually being victimized in front of me.
Makes me want to leave it all behind, purge a ton of gaming-related bookmarks, severely limit my spending on games if not bailing on games entirely.. just letting it all go. Let these pigs hump each other, let them party and live it up all they want. Whatever. Just let the whole thing burn down so it can maybe start over.

I really had faith that indie journalists and developers and publishers would come along and replace all the AAA codgers and marketers and businessmen.
And all that happened was the indie folks started getting corrupted too. What a goddamned farce.

http://i.imgur.com/6NVN1xS.jpg
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Post by: PatMan33 on September 16, 2014, 09:01:39 pm
My bookmark toolbar has two gaming things on it. @_@


whoa
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Post by: Didero on September 17, 2014, 12:54:14 am
Gauphastus, you can't also ignore that there are a LOT of people in the pro-GamerGate movement that are absolute ****s too, sending death threats to people they disagree with, and sharing private information like addresses and bank accounts just to mess with people.

Also, I'm still not entirely sure what the whole thing is about. I know a lot of game journalists get flown out to, like, Las Vegas by big publishers to preview games, and that's kinda gross. But the main problem here is that some game journalists know some game devs? That seems hard to avoid since, you know, the first group reviews the second group's products, so they're bound to run into each other at expos and the like.
All the rest seems like a far-fetched conspiracy theory to me. All the banning could be because maybe some website owners don't want to provide a platform for death threats and doxxing.

Then again, some of you seem to get most of your info from 4chan, and I seem to get most of my info from the other side, so all of our opinions are biased.
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Post by: Brandonazz on September 17, 2014, 01:12:28 am
Yeah, but one of the biased opinions is definitely the right one.
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Post by: eropS on September 17, 2014, 09:02:07 am
Idk, Didero, from my pov, people should be upset due to the alleged collusion and quid pro quo that was going on with supposedly independent Dev studios and the indie journalism scene. Both fields people mistakenly trusted to be free of both elements. This collusion seems like it was both an effort to extort money and popularity, so people are reacting negatively to this news.
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Post by: Didero on September 17, 2014, 09:13:31 am
Keyword being 'alleged'. Like I said, all I've heard about that so far are far-fetched conspiracy theories and logical fallacies.
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Post by: eropS on September 17, 2014, 10:34:50 am
Eh, it's not so hard to believe people with similar interest will work together to see those ends met. If people own equity in one project, while also being in control of a site that is supposed to be unbiased when divvying out rewards/ratings, it's not too hard to see where a conflict of interest might push someone to act in a way they wouldn't have otherwise.

I can't work for an accounting firm and have stock in the companies we audit.
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Post by: /lurk on September 17, 2014, 10:49:22 am
The key thing is that instead of saying "oh maybe sharing houses with indie devs isn't appropriate" and apologising, the self-proclaimed journalists collectively decided to insult their customers with every 21st-century slur under the sun.

So everyone with a valid criticism is apparently a misogynist racist homophobe basement-dweller neckbeard fedora-tipper.




Anything to avoid actually responding to criticism, right?
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Post by: /lurk on September 17, 2014, 02:51:21 pm
HAPPENING: http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/09/17/Exposed-the-secret-mailing-list-of-the-gaming-journalism-elite

And I guess their earlier article (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2014/09/09/GamerGate-Why-Gaming-Journalists-Keep-Dragging-Zoe-Quinns-Sex-Life-into-the-Spotlight) is almost exactly what I was trying to say in my previous post.


This right-wing news outlet did more video games journalism in a week than KOTAK ever has.
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Post by: Gauphastus on September 17, 2014, 07:18:44 pm
HAPPENING: http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/09/17/Exposed-the-secret-mailing-list-of-the-gaming-journalism-elite

And I guess their earlier article (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2014/09/09/GamerGate-Why-Gaming-Journalists-Keep-Dragging-Zoe-Quinns-Sex-Life-into-the-Spotlight) is almost exactly what I was trying to say in my previous post.


This right-wing news outlet did more video games journalism in a week than KOTAK ever has.

So some folks have been responding to the article.
Here's what Kotaku has to so.

https://twitter.com/Kotaku/status/512353097314611201

Really? News from six months ago? Now?

Well, okay.

(http://i.imgur.com/Ik1jC3g.jpg)
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Post by: Inkling on September 17, 2014, 08:05:07 pm
Are they at least pretending this is from a sealed police report that was just now released, or are they really this pathetic?
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Post by: PatMan33 on September 17, 2014, 09:27:50 pm
This all makes me wish GameJournos (http://gamejournos.tumblr.com/) was still active.
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Post by: Gauphastus on September 18, 2014, 12:36:14 am
Like.. me and one other dude made kind of a ****ty thread on /v/ and are posting pictures about games with Gate in the name or characters named Gate.
Actually, I think the other guy bailed on me.

he started it

But whatever. I don't care if I get banned.

EDIT: Crap, now they're all talking about Baldur's Gate for real.
I guess I'll let them have it. I don't really care. I was just bored..

EDIT2:
https://8chan.co/burgers/

Good place to read about and discuss gamergate now. Tons of 4chan and reddit refugees.
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Post by: Didero on September 18, 2014, 02:32:45 am
Eh, it's not so hard to believe people with similar interest will work together to see those ends met. If people own equity in one project, while also being in control of a site that is supposed to be unbiased when divvying out rewards/ratings, it's not too hard to see where a conflict of interest might push someone to act in a way they wouldn't have otherwise.

I can't work for Pricewaterhouse and have stock in the companies we audit.
And that's why good journalists don't review a game when they know the people that made it, or at least mention the relationship. And in the specific case this all blew up over, that didn't get violated.
Are you also forbidden from knowing people in the companies you audit? If you audit the same company a few times, you get to know the person(s) handling the company's finances, does that make you corrupt?
Because it's the same in the game industry. Of course journalists and game developers are going to get acquainted when they keep running into each other at shows and events. That doesn't mean it by definition clouds their judgement or makes them corrupt.

Keyword being 'alleged'. Like I said, all I've heard about that so far are far-fetched conspiracy theories and logical fallacies.

So when the IGF recently said, "If any individual was directly involved in the creation of any game entered in the festival that year, they recuse themselves from judging the festival."  What would you would call the fact that nobody recused themselves, including the person overseeing and advising every single vote, the year that a gaggle of voters were backing the game that won, including the person overseeing and advising every single vote?  Is that one of your alleged conspiracy theories or your alleged logical fallacies?

The logical fallacy is that "I'll you've heard" can be somehow equated with "all the information available".
I'm not sure I understand what you mean, but of course the majority of the voters are going to vote for the winner, otherwise how can it win? And if they like the game enough to vote for it, they probably like it enough to tell other people they like it. Got any links to articles about this I can read?

And I've said that, like everybody else, I'm getting my information from biased sources, so of course my opinion is biased and incomplete. I'd watch more of the videos in this thread if I knew they were posted because they are genuinely interesting and not because they're funny, and I don't really have the time to find that out, since for some reason most of them are an hour long. (Sorry Pat, I can't really tell when you're being serious!)

HAPPENING: http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/09/17/Exposed-the-secret-mailing-list-of-the-gaming-journalism-elite

And I guess their earlier article (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2014/09/09/GamerGate-Why-Gaming-Journalists-Keep-Dragging-Zoe-Quinns-Sex-Life-into-the-Spotlight) is almost exactly what I was trying to say in my previous post.
Here (http://ask.fm/ScottNichols/answer/118859079356) are (http://ask.fm/ScottNichols/answer/118859058620) two responses from somebody in that group. Of course the pro-GamerGate people aren't going to believe him on his word, and the anti-GamerGate people are, but take it as you will.
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Post by: PatMan33 on September 18, 2014, 06:05:55 am
EDIT2:
https://8chan.co/burgers/

8chan?? That's not 7chan. :U


Managed to be on /v/ for about 8 minutes before getting banned. What the **** is happening there. :|
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Post by: PatMan33 on September 18, 2014, 06:45:11 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-7RLxrsJ04 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAHiDSyQsmM

The one on the left is really good and related to GamerGate. It's an ethics expert discussing what violated ethics. Recorded last week.

The one on the right is really good.
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Post by: Krakow Sam on September 18, 2014, 07:16:16 am
Man this whole thing seems pretty pathetic from every angle.

I will, however, chime in and say that the Zoe Quinn article on Cracked was basically just about dealing with harassment online, which you can't exactly claim she hasn't experienced whether or not you believe there's some sort of conspiracy (I sincerely doubt there is).
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Post by: PatMan33 on September 18, 2014, 07:28:48 am
WHAT A SHILL
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Post by: /lurk on September 18, 2014, 08:20:24 am
He shills for free.

Nobody cares about Zoe Quinn anymore. She's just distracting people from the journalistic circlejerk going on.
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Post by: eropS on September 18, 2014, 09:35:06 am

Are you also forbidden from knowing people in the companies you audit? If you audit the same company a few times, you get to know the person(s) handling the company's finances, does that make you corrupt?


I mean, kind of, yeah. This is a huge problem in the accounting world since we're literally being paid by the people we're supposed to give an unbiased opinion. There are huge implications here and ethics are harped on extensively in any Big 4 accounting firm. In fact, these relationships are what lead to collapse of Enron, WorldCom and their auditor Arthur Anderson; new regulations and **** came out (Sarbanes-Oxley) in the early 2000's in an attempt to rectify these issues.

****, forcing companies to rotate auditors every 5 years was under serious discussion; now they are thinking of letting firms keep clients, but forcing the managing partner to rotate instead in an attempt to break these personal relationships.

So yes, it can make us corrupt. In fact, as accountants we're basically told to expect being put in unethical situations and making the right decision.

Because it's the same in the game industry. Of course journalists and game developers are going to get acquainted when they keep running into each other at shows and events. That doesn't mean it by definition clouds their judgement or makes them corrupt.

You're right, it doesn't mean by definition. But it certainly helps.

These people had a vested financial interest in seeing a certain game succeed; they operated a website that was supposed to provide an unbiased reward/rating to this game. It's shady, it should have been disclosed, and they should not be reacting so aggressively. People who have done wrong tend to freak out as their world collapses around them.
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Post by: Didero on September 18, 2014, 10:51:29 am
So accountants could be corrupt but aren't, but game journalist can be corrupt so they probably are?
You have a financial interest in making your client appear good too.

But those strict rules are pretty interesting. Of course, there's far less money directly at stake with the indie developers this all started about. It's scarier with the big publishers, but I haven't heard anybody complain about that.
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Post by: /lurk on September 18, 2014, 11:38:11 am
It's scarier with the big publishers, but I haven't heard anybody complain about that.

Where have you been? We've been complaining about spa retreats and wraparound advertising for years.

Naturally, the same people are involved on the journalist's end.
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Post by: eropS on September 18, 2014, 11:45:23 am

So accountants could be corrupt but aren't, but game journalist can be corrupt so they probably are?
You have a financial interest in making your client appear good too.

No, stop putting words in my mouth. I'm saying accountants and gaming journalists and all professions can be corrupt; I was simply using my profession as an example due to personal familiarity. Hell, I even provided you an example of when an entire corrupt accounting firm were caught and the repercussions.

These game journalist are probably corrupt given the financial interest at stake, the hard facts provided, and their general reaction. Not everyone is corrupt, but people want accountability and disclosure.

But those strict rules are pretty interesting. Of course, there's far less money directly at stake with the indie developers this all started about. It's scarier with the big publishers, but I haven't heard anybody complain about that.
Whose strict rules? The ones you just made up out of thin air? Those aren't the rules, there aren't any rules to corruption, that's the whole idea.

I've always been under the impression since the Kane&Lynch GameSpot fiasco that big publisher game reviews from big media outlets are to be discarded. That's why people have been up in arms with YouTube content policies and such, they don't want valid criticism being taken down due to publisher complaint.

It's why people are upset with the fact that indie media owners have financial and personal interest in certain indie games that just so happened to win multiple awards from said media outlet. It's fishy, they didn't disclose this anywhere, and their hostile reactions are unacceptable.
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Post by: Didero on September 18, 2014, 12:06:01 pm
Where have you been? We've been complaining about spa retreats and wraparound advertising for years.
I thought the whole GamerGate thing was about indie publishers being too familiar with game journalists.

These game journalist are probably corrupt given the financial interest at stake, the hard facts provided, and their general reaction. Not everyone is corrupt, but people want accountability and disclosure.
I guess I missed the hard facts, since all the evidence I've seen is convoluted charts aiming to prove journalists and devs know each other, which was apparent before and is no proof of corruption.

But those strict rules are pretty interesting. Of course, there's far less money directly at stake with the indie developers this all started about. It's scarier with the big publishers, but I haven't heard anybody complain about that.
Whose strict rules? The ones you just made up out of thin air? Those aren't the rules, there aren't any rules to corruption, that's the whole idea.
...The strict rules for accountants you mentioned in the piece of your post I quoted.

I've always been under the impression since the Kane&Lynch GameSpot fiasco that big publisher game reviews from big media outlets are to be discarded. That's why people have been up in arms with YouTube content policies and such, they don't want valid criticism being taken down due to publisher complaint.
Yeah, that was a blatant case of unacceptable meddling by game companies. And YouTube's content filtering is an ovezealous copyright prevention system that's being abused by people that want to annoy differing opinions, which is scary. But I've not seen any of that brought up in GamerGate.

It's why people are upset with the fact that indie media owners have financial and personal interest in certain indie games that just so happened to win multiple awards from said media outlet. It's fishy, they didn't disclose this anywhere, and their hostile reactions are unacceptable.
That does reek of conflict of interest, but this forum is the first place I've seen mention of the IGF thing.

Also, one reason game journalists may not be reacting as professionally as maybe they should, could be the fact that besides the people having genuine complaints and worries there is a large amount of people not interested in debate but just in slinging insults and threats. That wears on your patience after a while.
The whole thing kind of reminds me of this comic: http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=2939 (http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=2939)
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Post by: eropS on September 18, 2014, 01:07:50 pm
If you'd watched a video you'd see the IGF thing is being mentioned elsewhere. You'd also see more evidence that you're asking for. Your coming into this argument without having perused the case built by the other side and it's coming off as trolly/ignorant. Stuff like

I guess I missed the hard facts, since all the evidence I've seen is convoluted charts aiming to prove journalists and devs know each other, which was apparent before and is no proof of corruption.

or maybe it's the whole leaked cache of documents that people combed through? I mean did you even watch the short 15 minute one?


No one is talking about big publishers because that isn't what gamersgate is about! Everyone involved/upset is already aware of the issues involved with big publishing, it's been the status quo to people who abandoned it long ago, bringing up 'oh but IGN/Gamespot/EA/Activision are also shady' is like bringing up the grass is green.

Also, one reason game journalists may not be reacting as professionally as maybe they should, could be the fact that besides the people having genuine complaints and worries there is a large amount of people not interested in debate but just in slinging insults and threats. That wears on your patience after a while.

Sorry, you don't get a free pass from professionalism. The president, john stewart, a B list celebrity, Michael Richards, you don't get to just spout off.
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Post by: PatMan33 on September 19, 2014, 07:34:34 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liSgxgz0Et8

He has to speak up to talk over noise outside. This is awesome.

UNDERSTAND.
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Post by: Gauphastus on September 22, 2014, 11:29:17 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuAKFGNIcBg
for those not in on the whole gag there are certain people you can pay to perform whatever script you send them
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Post by: PatMan33 on September 23, 2014, 07:25:46 am
All dem sheckles gone.

All dem sheckles out there for a goy like myself to take. Come on Gauph!! Let's be rich!
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Post by: Gauphastus on September 23, 2014, 01:51:31 pm
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/09/23/How-sloppy-biased-video-games-reporting-almost-destroyed-a-CEO

Good. I'm glad that this is out there. These are factual accounts of crap some of us have dumbfoundedly watched this guy do over the last couple of years.
Kuchera sucks.

I remember seeing people complain about him on the PA Report thing but others, Gabe Krahulik in particular, defended him as just being outspoken (http://theawkwardglitch.com/2013/02/04/follow-up-kuchera-doesnt-understand-job-krahulik-a-hypocritical-enabler/).
There's a difference between being outspoken and being a tactless prick, not to mention a bully. This guy is not grounded enough to report on the events of any industry frankly. If you're a games journalist, a writer hired to work at an outlet relating to games, technology, and entertainment, and you use that platform as a way to spew politics or vilify anyone then you have overstepped your bounds and your employment should be terminated. Let's be clear: this guy was not simply buying into some juicy gossip. This is a case of a non-professional, someone with little or no actual training in journalism, who has managed to find his way into a professional setting.
Considering the current events the same could easily be said about many others.

Also, it turns out Kuchera had done the exact same thing in an article he had written previously on Ars Technica. When this tidbit was discovered he changed his twitter avatar to the deal-with-it dog, didn't respond to people calling him out for his hypocrisy, simply responding with "Deal with it."

(http://i.imgur.com/jOFcWVq.png)
This guy. I swear to god.


After moving on from PA he was soon hired at Polygon. I dropped Polygon that same day.
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Post by: PatMan33 on September 23, 2014, 02:03:06 pm
Good I am glad they've taken aim at Benny boy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX4ZRwX7tA0
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Post by: PatMan33 on September 25, 2014, 09:32:02 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8Y_Ky_wRoA

UH UH SO JUICY JUICIE!!!!
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Post by: Gauphastus on September 26, 2014, 03:42:04 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-zifv_D9QU

Nice job.
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Post by: Ultimatum on September 26, 2014, 03:47:47 pm
#Invalid YouTube Link# is right,as usual.
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Post by: PatMan33 on September 26, 2014, 05:36:22 pm
:D

Also, Internet Aristocrat moved his video release to Saturday night. Tomorrow it all happens!!

Also also, I'm loving that the best response to "Based Mom" that Anita could come up with was making fun of her by retweeting an autotuned version of her explanation. WHAT A SURPRISE. These *******s are literally doing the most basic stuff and making the most basic errors (picking on people you disagree with) and they insist that we are the ones that behave in such a manner. There hasn't been a cogent response from the SJW asses since this whole thing started. Why doesn't anyone hold them accountable except for us? Why are they "innocent before proven guilty" but we are "guilty until proven innocent"?

Bull****, yo.
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Post by: PatMan33 on September 26, 2014, 07:52:16 pm
I have to disagree with Pat here.

Well we all knew to stop listening there.
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Post by: Inkling on September 26, 2014, 08:19:59 pm
Did you ever really think this was going to be an even playing field, Pat?  One side can claim oppressed minority and victim status, the other is the unwashed masses of the internet.  Why, I bet they don't even have a PR firm.  And beside, all those gamergate kids are from 4chan.  Don't you know how terrible that site is?  Did you know they released nude pictures of Emma Watson just because she's a feminist?
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Post by: Gauphastus on September 27, 2014, 02:03:02 am
i fixed the link to the video btw
keep forgetting the stupid forum software doesnt interpret https links

it is very annoying
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Post by: PatMan33 on September 27, 2014, 06:37:32 am
Yeah it's kind lame.
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Post by: Gauphastus on September 27, 2014, 08:17:09 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/fDLYZ34.jpg)

dobson did you really
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Post by: Inkling on September 27, 2014, 10:24:29 pm
I don't get it.  Also where did his hat go?
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Post by: Gauphastus on September 27, 2014, 10:40:58 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dbi-8rPShE

Just gonna watch this now. Then I'm going to bed 'cause I have to paint some metal crap tomorrow.
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Post by: Person21 on September 28, 2014, 03:16:22 am
Do people still do these?

(https://i.imgur.com/RH9ZjRH.jpg)
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Post by: Inkling on September 28, 2014, 11:10:15 am
Gauph had to explain to me that the second panel was an Occupy Wall Street pun, because it was three in the morning and it's such a bizarre non sequitur.
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Post by: Gauphastus on September 28, 2014, 09:14:13 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/vgBC2aI.jpg)

this guy

i cant
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Post by: PatMan33 on September 30, 2014, 08:44:29 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVoRnW8u19I

UNDERSTAND
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Post by: Brandonazz on October 01, 2014, 06:32:41 am
I'd vote wield a pitchfork for that guy.

I liked the arson analogy.
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Post by: /lurk on October 01, 2014, 06:11:04 pm
Intel>AMD confirmed.
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Post by: PatMan33 on October 02, 2014, 08:16:54 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rouq-VdgXdo

Sargon has been DiGGING huehueueheuheuheuheuheuheuheuheue
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Post by: Slinky on October 03, 2014, 02:12:59 pm
It's been a week or two. Is it still ethically okay as a gamer to not care?
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Post by: /lurk on October 03, 2014, 02:24:19 pm
It's been over a month.

And journalism has been rotten for a lot longer than that.
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Post by: Inkling on October 03, 2014, 03:23:18 pm
I guess we knew this a while ago, but I don't speak /lurk so I missed it.

Intel pulled ads from Gamasutra after receiving lots of complaints.  Reactions are exactly what you expect.  Here, have a crappy CNN article!

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/03/tech/gaming-gadgets/intel-ad-gamasutra/index.html
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Post by: Krakow Sam on October 03, 2014, 04:15:13 pm
It was always more ethical to not care.

Video games and everything relating to them are Satan.
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Post by: Slinky on October 03, 2014, 04:24:40 pm
*drops the 3DS and stomps it*

AHH! AHH! BEGONE!
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Post by: PatMan33 on October 03, 2014, 06:03:52 pm
From the CNN article.

Quote
Supporters of the Gamergate movement, who are well organized and driven, say they are actually combating corrupt games journalism. In the case of Alexander, they say her columns were "offensive" and "racist." The emails to Intel were part of a larger campaign against sites that have published content they find offensive, including Kotaku and Polygon.

At least they included this bit.

Quote
After confirming that Intel had indeed pulled the ads, a company spokesperson told Re/Code on Wednesday, "We take feedback from our customers very seriously especially as it relates to contextually relevant content and placements." Intel declined to comment further to CNN.

Two things.

First, the people they market their products (high end gaming CPUs coughcough) to are not in line with games journalism, more often than not. Intel doesn't want to piss off its core demographic. Second, Intel probably didn't slap together its advertising campaign and it probably didn't ditch it on a whim. They had people look into this and whatever they found made them decide to pull the ads.

What did Intel find?
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Post by: Person21 on October 04, 2014, 01:00:35 am
Quote
What did Intel find?

That their core demographic of high end PC gamers are huge misogynerds and siding with their rabid anti-women-in-gaming campaign rather than standing up for women-in-gaming was the best way to keep them buying their CPUs.
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Post by: PatMan33 on October 04, 2014, 07:29:00 am
Don't say it so loud!! The women might hear it and then we'll have to spend hours trying to explain it to them.
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Post by: PatMan33 on October 04, 2014, 12:05:55 pm
You are kind of onto something there. Putting things in their place is pretty ****ed up when you think about it.

Assuming anything has a "proper" place is narrow-minded and unhealthy. Why do things need a place? We should be able to do what we want, or not, and have the freedom to do so without someone telling us it is wrong. So yeah, Tetris is a bit misogynistic in that sense.


**EDIT**
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3APFKaoJNw

Semi-related.
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Post by: PatMan33 on October 04, 2014, 11:18:06 pm
I'm glad I could attract your attention.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuRSaLZidWI


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyR_YpO-m5o

Matt has served his usefulness. :o
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Post by: /lurk on October 06, 2014, 11:11:15 am
This just in: fat british man has fat british heart.

Thin british people still awful games journalists.
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Post by: PatMan33 on October 06, 2014, 11:48:39 am
Thin british people still awful/quote]

All you needed.
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Post by: Slinky on October 06, 2014, 03:22:21 pm
Thin british people still awful/quote]

All you needed./quote]

Good quote Pat.
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Post by: Gauphastus on October 06, 2014, 05:21:26 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/iAwsKev.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/98dT8cD.gif)
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Post by: Inkling on October 06, 2014, 07:24:21 pm
Who is this guy and what's the latest body count from gamergate?
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Post by: Krakow Sam on October 07, 2014, 11:14:54 am
"Dur Gamergates are basically Islamofascists"
"Yeah well critics of Gamergates are NAZIS"
"NUH UH"
"YUH HUH"

I think everyone needs a new hobby/profession.
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Post by: PatMan33 on October 07, 2014, 11:37:36 am
How about video games? They're pretty fun and offer an escape into worlds much unlike our own.
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Post by: Krakow Sam on October 07, 2014, 12:00:18 pm
But the twitter guy said gamergates are the technology world's ISIS.

He didn't say they were ISIS.

So you saying he thinks like a Nazi is basically the same thing.

Next time check yourself before you wreck yourself.
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Post by: Krakow Sam on October 07, 2014, 03:24:32 pm
I'll be Ben Affleck if I want and you can't stop me.
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Post by: PatMan33 on October 07, 2014, 06:41:46 pm
CHIGGIDY CHECK YOURSELF BEFORE YOU WRECK YOURSELF

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FvCG29P85U
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Post by: PatMan33 on October 10, 2014, 05:59:31 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIpw3wHn9Sk

Aw man this ****. AW MAN THIS ****, GUYS!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
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Post by: Slinky on October 10, 2014, 06:18:27 pm
I kinda don't get what's so funny about that but to be honest I've only been skimming this thread.
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Post by: PatMan33 on October 13, 2014, 10:18:44 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRaAJBKmi5I

HEY THIS VIDEO IS A GOOD ONE

It wrecks the MSNBC interview from earlier today.
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Post by: Didero on October 14, 2014, 04:55:33 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRaAJBKmi5I

HEY THIS VIDEO IS A GOOD ONE

It wrecks the MSNBC interview from earlier today.

COUNTERPOINT TIME
Strap in, this is a long one. I already wasted far too much time on this, so there's gonna be grammar and spelling errors.

00:16:   Only things directly mentioning GamerGate can possibly be related to it, right
00:39:   Casual dismissal of death threats
00:45:   Only believes something if ALL the proof is shown, no such qualms with own evidence
01:00:   One GamerGate tweet is not sexist, insulting or negative, therefore all of GamerGate is fantastic
01:15:   Alex Baldwin is famous so he can't be sexist
01:40:   'Battle of the Sexes', granted, is a stupid way to present this. Since this is easily refuted, no need to spend minutes on it though
03:00:   That list is people in the same industry discussing that industry. That's pretty common in most industries, and not proof of collusion. Plus, that's not how GamerGate got started
04:00:   What's TFYC got to do with journalistic integrity? I thought you said that was what GamerGate was about
04:24:   Not literally all women are threatened out of the industry, so there is no problem. wut
04:40:   How the hell are Quinn's personal sexual relations in any way relevant?
05:00:   Wait, so now suddenly the fact that Quinn supposedly slept with journalists DOESN'T matter? Make up your mind!
05:30:   And now Quinn isn't even important anymore... Furthermore, even if she did have a falling-out with an organization, that's no reason for death threats. Those threats and the extensive analysis of an individual's sex life are the reasons most press didn't want to report on it in the way GamerGate sees things. 'Indie Dev argues with Charity' is exactly the kind of non-game-related stuff people complain gaming sites write too much about.
06:10:   Are you saying making a joke is reason enough for death threats?
06:42:   The same Yiannopoulos that started a website and then didn't pay the people he hired and started picking fights with people so much even his co-founder and friend distanced himself from it: http://www.theguardian.com/media/2012/sep/12/the-kernel-sued-former-contributors. No lack of journalistic integrity indeed
06:50:   Oh no, pissing people off, surely that's deserving of threats and abuse
07:22:   So in this case a direct link between threats, the meme, and GamerGate is needed, but all you need as evidence for journo collusion is that they chat online once in a while?
08:09:   "My friend". If you're gonna imply collusion, there's a good moment for it. Nope, missed it
08:33:   So because the threats were made close to when she checked her Twitter, they're fake? I can't even think of any intermediate logic steps that could lead from the premise to that conclusion. And for crying out loud, if you want to claim she's lying, at least be brave enough to say it, instead of admitting to only implying it, which is an incredibly weak way out.
08:58:   You ban people from 4chan by IP address. There, simple answer. Next!
09:30:   Is he implying Moot was pressured or something? Be more clear, with evidence
09:40:   Using the same phrase as someone is not immediately quoting them. 'Suck my dick' is an insult regardless of who says it. 'An eye for an eye' is a stupid way to approach this
09:58:   Again, only exact literal proof is good enough here, but vague allusions to corruption is good enough for them.
01:30: Wu hasn't been 'proven to be a liar'. The only factually wrong thing she said in the interview was about 8chan's founding, and that can be an honest mistake.
10:43:   'Notorious provocateur' needs some explanation
10:55:   Wait, she needs to prove who she knows? Why and also how?
11:20:   So Wu is not allowed to speak for female game devs, but he is? Also, again saying that being threatened is a normal reaction to being provocative.
11:34:   There is no way you can take that badge as anything but a joke
11:35:   All 'wars' are instigated by women? PROOF (oh wait you don't need to give any)
11:56:   I'd keep shouting 'PROOF' on the claim that 'Wu has misrepresented 'everything', but that'd be fruitless. Also, retweets are all that's necessary for a friendship?
12:06:   Hey, now he's misrepresenting facts! That article never appeared on Polygon, despite 'cleverly' shopping it to make it appear that it did. Also, yay cherrypicking quotes! From the same article: "i hate men doesn’t mean i hate you. it means i hate your position in this world. it means i’m not obligated to like you. it means i don’t have to talk to you if i don’t want to. it means i get to have my space and i don’t have to dance for you, smile at you, or soothe you." (https://archive.today/iITfR#selection-287.0-287.273 ) Allen doesn't want to destroy men, she just doesn't want to adjust to their expectations and wants.
12:22:   She's not the one that goes out of her way to destroy things she hates. That's another group. I don't have to prove it's GamerGate, since implying is apparently enough
12:31:   Wait, just knowing Quinn is enough to warrant harrassment, abuse, and threats now? Guilty by association, right
12:33:   Paying a game dev is no different from buying their game, that's not corruption.
12:41:   Yeah, those aren't obviously and unmistakeably jokes, nope. Also, oh no, she 'hates videogames', better send abuse her way!
12:45:   What's bigoted about not liking video games, assuming they even don't?
12:56:   The 'death of gamer' articles weren't about hating gamers, they were (at least the ones I've read) about how the old notion of 'gamer', i.e. male teenage basement-dweller spending hours and hours on end staring at a screen pushing buttons, isn't applicable anymore, since almost everybody plays video games. They weren't personal attacks.
13:20:   Yes, the people that dedicate their lives to making video games obviously hate them.
13:54:   Prove sexism in the tech industry? Did you forget the #1Reasontobe and #1Reasonwhy hashtags already?
15:45:   The #GamerGate tag was started by Baldwin while linking to a video about Quinn's so-called sexual escapades, not about corruption
16:10:   Sarkeesian is an 'academic' in the sense that she has a degree in this sort of thing
16:18:   That 'teleseminar' thing is 7 years old, Feminist Frequency is a charity, and did she get her degrees as part of the scam as well?
16:29:   'Political leftist extremist' requires a bit more proof than a single screenshotted tweet, especially one that contains a platitude like that
16:50:   'Literally gone mad with power', again without proof
17:03:   They declared the TERM 'gamer' dead, since almost everbody is a gamer now in some form or another. They didn't literally wish everybody that self-identifies as a gamer dead
17:23:   An indignant tone is neither a standpoint nor commentary
17:54:   Oh, now suddenly proof is required. More proof than gender statistics?
18:15:   So now it's the fault of women they can't work in the industry? That's  just denying the responsibility of the people already in the industry
18:40:   'I have proven this' is not proof in and of itself
18:46:   Ugh, that 'dead' thing again. The TERM. THE TERM. Not the people
19:03:   The point she's making is that men don't see that some of their behaviour is antagonistic, not the fact that antagonistic behaviour exists
19:40:   The MSNBC report is about a woman / women being threatened in the game industry. You want to hear the pro-harassment side?
19:55:   Yes, prefixing it with dramatic music, that doesn't influence anybody at all
20:19:   Don't pretend to be neutral when all you report on is the pro-GamerGate stuff
21:30:   Right, sure, let Yiannopoulos explain everything from his side (no proof again, just his word)
22:32:   Unsubstantiated accusation of malice
22:50:   First you claim to be neutral, now you say you're pro-GG. What is it, Milo?
23:06:   Neutral and objective, right
23:31:   Spend over a minute explaining how much time and money it cost, "time and money aren't the real issue here".
23:49:   That's pretty close to slander, assuming all opponents of GamerGate are liers and avoid every question
24:25:   "She annoyed me, so her privacy isn't important anymore". Journalistic integrity, right
25:00:   Assuming your response is the 'natural' one is kind of self-important. Asking admission for a debate isn't unheard of, and crowdfunding can be a sort of 'global admission'.

Sorry for the long, but there's so many things wrong with that video.
tl;dr: Don't selective shout 'Show proof' when you don't apply that to your own sources as well. Especially not when that proof is easily found.
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Post by: Inkling on October 14, 2014, 09:51:00 am
Didn't read or watch yet.  Did someone at least tell MSNBC who that 4chan guy is?
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Post by: Didero on October 14, 2014, 10:21:06 am
Oh, in addition to my post, Wu's response to Yiannopoulos's accusation of her ignoring him (http://spacekatgal.tumblr.com/post/99950527903/changing-the-new-normal).

Furthermore, most of the questions Yiannopolous wanted to ask (http://yiannopoulos.net/2014/10/13/about-radio-nero-episode-4/) seem very leading, and hardly impartial or even fair.
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Post by: /lurk on October 14, 2014, 11:36:06 am
Milo is a right-wing sensationalist but you really can't pretend that he hasn't been reasonable about this.

"I know almost all woman in the game industry" is wasting everybody's time.
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Post by: PatMan33 on October 14, 2014, 09:54:01 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5ZoYSILbQ8

BOOM BADDA BOOM BLOWN THE **** OUT
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Post by: Didero on October 15, 2014, 01:50:04 am
Milo is a right-wing sensationalist but you really can't pretend that he hasn't been reasonable about this.

"I know almost all woman in the game industry" is wasting everybody's time.
I don't have to pretend. Did you read the questions he wanted to ask Wu? They basically boiled down to "When are you going to apologize for being wrong?".  His portrayal of the issue is as one-sided as GamerGate claims major gaming site treat it, except they're less critical since he's on their side.
Did you read through his other articles?
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Post by: /lurk on October 15, 2014, 07:49:36 am
I did read those questions and there isn't anything unreasonable about them - especially not if she'd seen them in advance. People shouldn't have to go all the way to a guy like Milo before they find a journalist willing to ask that kind of thing rather than feed her a bunch of fluff lines so that she can call gamergate a "hate group" for 90% of the speaking time on a three person panel.

Poor Erik Kain.
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Post by: PatMan33 on October 15, 2014, 07:55:05 am
But they are still framing it as a feminism issue and completely ignoring the media ethics point, which is the major point for most people in GamerGate.

So yeah, she's wrong. When is she/they going to apologize for saying awful things about us based on a willful misunderstanding of the situation? Why is it that they can mouth off and say whatever they want in their official capacity or on their personal Twitter accounts, but an anonymous ****wit that we all agree is not a part of GamerGate can say something ****ing crazy and all of us get hit with broad stroke accusations of being bad people and wanting to cause harm to others?

That this is even happening is evidence enough that they are running a train on us. They are working together with the media to stamp out the message that they are working together with the media to push agendas.

I can't say that GamerGate is full of nice people, some of them are ****bags. But at least we're able to say that about ourselves. They never reflect on their actions and jerk one another off every time they insult people raising calm, rational points or "accidentally dox someone", to use Zoe Quinn's words. What the ****?? Why is that ignored? Whenever someone on the GamerGate side even gets close to doing something like that it gets full press coverage on mainstream gaming media who are knowingly twisting the story to make their core demographic look as bad as possible... because they have a bunch of new friends with a lot of money? I don't know why they've latched onto this goofy feminist bent to begin with.

Again, that they continue to frame this as a anti-feminist movement shows you where their loyalties lie. They have an interest in portraying women as the victim and dammed if they are going to let hundreds of female and minority gamers saying otherwise to stop them.

I'm just shaking my head at all this. It's bull****. They had a good message when all this started, but it's clear that they don't want equality. They want control. They don't want to reach a middle ground, they want to kill what they see as a roadblock to getting their agenda pushed to the front. It's not about equality, it's about money and that's ****ed up.
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Post by: eropS on October 15, 2014, 09:29:54 am
It's not about equality, it's about money and that's ****ed up.

I mean, that basically sums up everything everywhere every time...
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Post by: PatMan33 on October 15, 2014, 02:32:58 pm
Oh.

My bad.
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Post by: PatMan33 on October 15, 2014, 04:14:49 pm
Brighter spotlight could help more people see more things.
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Post by: Inkling on October 15, 2014, 07:53:36 pm
Last night Pat had me listen to a live stream of Internet Aristocrat and Friends.  When they weren't answering questions about Aristocrat's dick, they made two points I found interesting.  One, that the GamerGate people are never going to get the kind of coverage they want from most media outlets.  Two, that after the MSNBC and Huffington post interviews, there would be a new round of playing the victim card by the major players in this mess.

I absolutely agree with the first point, and had meant to mention it in here myself.  The people against gamergate have industry connections, PR firms, and their story fits existing narratives.  The gamergate people have a few d-list celebrities, some conservative spin guys, semi anonymous youtube people, and the anonymous masses.  The deck is stacked.

The second point, well, see what ChiToes said about the speech cancellation getting covered everywhere.  I've seen headlines saying the FBI is investigating, I hope they find whoever sent it.  The results should be interesting, whoever it was.
Title: Re: Gaming Journalism: You're a Horrible Person, Click here to find out why.
Post by: /lurk on October 16, 2014, 08:03:26 am
The gamergate people have [...] the anonymous masses. 

They can't lose then. Up with the proletariat.

They do also have currently the most popular videogame critic on earth, although he hasn't been active recently due to cancer. CONSPIRACY???



They also have fruit vendors.
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Post by: eropS on October 16, 2014, 10:45:47 am
He beat the cancer though last I heard.

Which is good, because **** cancer
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Post by: Didero on October 16, 2014, 11:11:42 am
I was gonna write a big post with replies to all of you but **** it, this is taking up far too much of my time already.

Maybe the reason journalists seem to 'ignore' GG concerns is because the only thing they see of its supporters is either threats, insults, or far-fetched conspiracy theories, and when they try to have a discussion, it ends in insults or non-sequiturs. THAT's the reason for all those 'Gamers are dead' articles: If a group of people get extremely angry because some lady somewhere has sex or another points out things she dislikes in their hobby, those journalists don't want to write stuff for that group anymore, because they don't need to; there are far more people that also enjoy games but aren't stuck in time.

The only 'ethics concerns' I've seen from GamerGate are either ridiculous or provably false, and the actual ethics concerns are completely ignored by GG.
Title: Re: Gaming Journalism: You're a Horrible Person, Click here to find out why.
Post by: PatMan33 on October 16, 2014, 03:31:35 pm
I've tried discussing this with many people over the last two months with varying degrees of success. In the times discussion has not worked, it almost always ends one of three ways. Either I get the "nepotism is okay" spiel, where they tell me that it's already commonplace in most industries so why do you care; or I will get an endless loop of variations on "but what is your goal?", where they keep asking the same question a thousand different ways; or I get called a misogynist.

This is in response to compelling stories about the GameJournoPros list, a litany of material showing conflicts of interest throughout the indie community, and a clear media blackout and censorship on the main issues, suggesting a willful misunderstanding of the issues. And I take care to not let my emotions get the better of me and I try my hardest to be inclusive and to let everyone speak. But at times it seems many of my ideological opponents take advantage of my willingness to be nice and use it as a soapbox to spew the filth they claim I am made of.

It's frustrating.
Title: Re: Gaming Journalism: You're a Horrible Person, Click here to find out why.
Post by: Rysworld on October 16, 2014, 05:54:48 pm
If a group of people get extremely angry because some lady somewhere has sex or another points out things she dislikes in their hobby

Yep, that sure is the reason all these people are pissed, and it sure hasn't been explained to be otherwise a million times literally anywhere a discussion about this is, including here.

A'yup.
Title: Re: Gaming Journalism: You're a Horrible Person, Click here to find out why.
Post by: /lurk on October 16, 2014, 06:05:17 pm
Stay cool Pat. Some people can try and excuse nepotism but gamers demand higher standards.

The people smearing gamers are journalist crooks, but on our side we have good people like you. They're already running out of ideas on how to shut us up and the more they try, the more they reveal how awful they really are.

Keep on truckin'.
Title: Re: Gaming Journalism: You're a Horrible Person, Click here to find out why.
Post by: PatMan33 on October 16, 2014, 06:47:02 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2fki-rzilU
Title: Re: Gaming Journalism: You're a Horrible Person, Click here to find out why.
Post by: Inkling on October 16, 2014, 06:59:38 pm
Whatever the topic is, if you expect an interview on MSNBC to give both sides, you're wasting your time.

No, I haven't watched it yet.
Title: Re: Gaming Journalism: You're a Horrible Person, Click here to find out why.
Post by: Slinky on October 16, 2014, 07:38:13 pm
I love you all. You're all wonderful people!
Title: Re: Gaming Journalism: You're a Horrible Person, Click here to find out why.
Post by: Didero on October 17, 2014, 03:51:06 am
@MasterChiToes: I'm sorry I allowed an inkling of doubt, I'll try to be completely 100% unmovably entrenched in my opinion like you from now on. Also nowhere I insulted 'all gamers', but you already seemed to have made your mind up.

**** it, I'm out, this is useless, I don't need this aggravation.
Title: Re: Gaming Journalism: You're a Horrible Person, Click here to find out why.
Post by: sgore on October 17, 2014, 07:50:10 am
Remember when this thread pretended it wasn't going to become entirely about the exact thing it became entirely about?

Look, I'm not going to say who I do or don't agree with on this whole thing, because my opinion has literally no bearing one way or the other on an already exhausted issue, and all I would be is one more voice on the pile, but MasterChiToes, you did kind of move into personal attack in your post, and that wasn't cool.

I was gonna write a big post with replies to all of you but **** it, this is taking up far too much of my time already.

Maybe the reason journalists seem to 'ignore' GG concerns is because the only thing they see of its supporters is either threats, insults, or far-fetched conspiracy theories, and when they try to have a discussion, it ends in insults or non-sequiturs. THAT's the reason for all those 'Gamers are dead' articles: If a group of people get extremely angry because some lady somewhere has sex or another points out things she dislikes in their hobby, those journalists don't want to write stuff for that group anymore, because they don't need to; there are far more people that also enjoy games but aren't stuck in time.

The only 'ethics concerns' I've seen from GamerGate are either ridiculous or provably false, and the actual ethics concerns are completely ignored by GG.

Didero keeps his criticisms focused on GamerGate as a movement. Agree or disagee with him, whether you think his criticisms are fair or unfair, he's keeping out of the realm of personal attack on other GS users.


Maybe I've seen though your bias.  Maybe you've removed your responsibility to be truthful and accurate by prefacing your claims with "maybe" and "I've seen".  I've seen this done before.  Your faux claims about the agency of journalists is all positive, while maligning all gamers.  The backdoor claim that journalists used to write positive stuff for "that [gamergate] group" and stopped because of the actions of "that group" is a complete lie.

Sorry Didero, this is all fail.  Your reply lacks integrity, facts and reason.[/color]

This, meanwhile, is almost entirely personal and accusatory from the outset.

'Seen through your bias'?

'removed your responsibility to be truthful and accurate' ?

'a complete lie' ?

'reply lacks integrity, facts and reason' ?

None of these are even about the issue anymore. Not really. They're just a string of personal statements attacking Didero.

"Bwahaha, I've seen through your dastardly tactics Didero. Thought you could get one past me, eh? Not this time!"

Calm down. Seriously. Not just you, but everyone.  Take a step back and see how this ridiculously explosive this issue is making you act. It's Didero. He's not trying to *lie* to you. He's been a member of this forum for years. He's a friend. I don't care what your opinions are on this issue, because, frankly, I'm sick of this issue, but when we're running around directly accusing people we know of lacking integrity, yeah, I have to say something.
Title: Re: Gaming Journalism: You're a Horrible Person, Click here to find out why.
Post by: eropS on October 17, 2014, 11:17:15 am
Nah, let's blow it up more; Socrates died for this ****!

Really though, I think the amount of emotion people pour into this argument just highlights how close a lot of people hold this issue to them. I think that's a good thing as long as you don't actually take it personally.
Title: Re: Gaming Journalism: You're a Horrible Person, Click here to find out why.
Post by: /lurk on October 17, 2014, 01:11:15 pm
I hate it when people argue in this thread because what I really want to do is post about buying a Mercedes.

But you can't say that all the ethics concerns are "ridiculous" when you think that the same journalists really do have an ethics problem. They're crooked hacks that take kickbacks and crooked hacks that give coverage to their buddies. They're crooked hacks that abuse their platform and connections to promote people who share their political views and suppress dissenters.

Supporting women and inclusivity in videogames isn't the same as supporting nepotists, bribe-takers and propagandists and as long as these people are around they're not just insulting gamers and damaging the games industry, they're hurting women in the industry and dragging the name of feminism through the mud.

If they engage in or even give the impression that they might give positive coverage to female developers who have sex with them, that's not helping women. That's abusing them.


But really beep boop I gotta get Mario Kart so I can drive a merc.
Title: Re: Gaming Journalism: You're a Horrible Person, Click here to find out why.
Post by: Inkling on October 17, 2014, 03:21:38 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0spFY1I2NQ
Title: Re: Gaming Journalism: You're a Horrible Person, Click here to find out why.
Post by: Ultimatum on October 17, 2014, 03:42:44 pm
Perhaps this is the time for the thread enter  the eternal slumber,and never be raised again?
Title: Re: Gaming Journalism: You're a Horrible Person, Click here to find out why.
Post by: eropS on October 17, 2014, 03:55:53 pm
No?

As long as the topic is relevant, it should play out.
Title: Re: Gaming Journalism: You're a Horrible Person, Click here to find out why.
Post by: /lurk on October 17, 2014, 04:06:51 pm
Perhaps this is the time for the thread enter  the eternal slumber,and never be raised again?

Hell no.

Not while crooked journalists are hurting the videogames that we all care about.
Title: Re: Gaming Journalism: You're a Horrible Person, Click here to find out why.
Post by: PatMan33 on October 17, 2014, 08:01:39 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKhLHx35q9U

Pulled this one out of the vault for a refresher. This is Anita doing what Anita does.
Title: Re: Gaming Journalism: You're a Horrible Person, Click here to find out why.
Post by: PatMan33 on October 17, 2014, 08:25:56 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QimugVfXtbU

Man this **** gets me every time I love it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgHmTmUjFF0

Time to break out the THUNDERFOOT.
Title: Re: Gaming Journalism: You're a Horrible Person, Click here to find out why.
Post by: PatMan33 on October 19, 2014, 07:26:56 pm
Alright so here's a good one for us to look through.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inqcLXNlEes

We've got the InternetAristocrat chatting with Thunderf00t about what went down with Atheism+. If you've been keeping up with stuff, you may have heard Atheism+ here and there as an example of a community being infiltrated by social justice warriors. Provides good insight into how this sort of attack goes and what we can expect.


**EDIT**
AND! Here's a nice article asking questions to two people on opposite sides of GamerGate. Pro Vs Anti GamerGate – Two Interviews (http://mangotron.com/pro-vs-anti-gamergate-two-interviews/).


**EDIT EDIT**
Man I keep finding stuff. Been out of the loop for a couple days. Read these in the order they were posted.

#GAMERGATE: DESTRUCTOID, CORRUPTION AND RUINED CAREERS (http://blogjob.com/oneangrygamer/2014/10/gamergate-destructoid-corruption-and-ruined-careers/)

#GAMERGATE: ‘NOWHERE ON MY SITE DOES IT SAY WE ARE JOURNALISTS’ SAYS DESTRUCTOID OWNER (http://blogjob.com/oneangrygamer/2014/10/gamergate-nowhere-on-my-site-does-it-say-we-are-journalists-says-destructoid-owner/)


**EDIT EDIT EDIT**
Oh man, okay I am only half-way through this one but it's great. Nothing more to add about GamerGate, but it's a nice addendum to the two above stories. Interview between Pinsof and the person he outed (http://gamersagainstbigotry.org/2013/05/chloe-allistair-roundtable/), which led to the firing and the fiasco mentioned earlier in this post.
Title: Re: Gaming Journalism: You're a Horrible Person, Click here to find out why.
Post by: PatMan33 on October 19, 2014, 08:59:45 pm
Yeah this is really entertaining to me!! ;D

I've been waiting patiently for their glass dome to crack.

(http://i.imgur.com/oPuvIqs.jpg)
Title: Re: Gaming Journalism: You're a Horrible Person, Click here to find out why.
Post by: Krakow Sam on October 20, 2014, 12:07:31 am
My God, a spoor! His game, Half Life...

Trying to halve your prices eh Newell?

Well I'll halve your review score!

Why am I so funny when there's no-one around?

Title: Re: Whiny Baby Manchild Wars 2014
Post by: Gauphastus on October 20, 2014, 01:07:40 am
who are you
Title: Re: Whiny Baby Manchild Wars 2014
Post by: /lurk on October 20, 2014, 09:49:00 am
Thanks Sam.

Mods = Gods etc. etc.
Title: Re: Whiny Baby Manchild Wars 2014
Post by: PatMan33 on October 20, 2014, 11:01:26 am
THEY DOIN' IT FO' FREE!

But check those two articles out, guys. Read them in order. The general idea is that the editor at Destructoid was seeking legal advice from the GameJournoPros list to determine whether or not to fire Pinsof. Several of the people on the list (names that keep popping up all over GamerGate) said flat out that they didn't like Pinsof and wouldn't mind if he got fired. Hue.
Title: Re: Whiny Baby Manchild Wars 2014
Post by: eropS on October 20, 2014, 11:09:09 am
Too bad every time i scroll down a ****ing social media toolbar pops up that clutters my screen to the point of me being so turned off I don't actually want to read the article. COPY PASTE TO ANOTHER PAGE I  GO
Title: Re: Whiny Baby Manchild Wars 2014
Post by: PatMan33 on October 20, 2014, 11:20:59 am
Ahhh... I use a bunch of ad blocking doodads. Which, funnily enough, was something I started doing to screw over GameSpot and Kotaku. :U


**EDIT**
Hot off the presses.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIRJFKRUzUg

Also...
(http://i.imgur.com/tGxQVHv.png)
Title: Re: Whiny Baby Manchild Wars 2014
Post by: Slinky on October 20, 2014, 02:27:07 pm
Is gamergate about games journalism being a bunch of filthy review-whores, or is it about misogyny in videogames? I still haven't figured it out...
Title: Re: Whiny Baby Manchild Wars 2014
Post by: Krakow Sam on October 20, 2014, 02:53:54 pm
The misogynists are for better reviews, the bent reviewers want less misogyny.
Title: Re: Whiny Baby Manchild Wars 2014
Post by: Slinky on October 20, 2014, 03:25:15 pm
What if we want less misogyny and better reviews?
Title: Re: Whiny Baby Manchild Wars 2014
Post by: /lurk on October 20, 2014, 03:59:17 pm
The bent reviewers love misogyny, because then they get to insult everybody for clicks.

If you want a moral view and honest gameplay critique you'll have to go someplace like christ centered gamer.
Title: Re: Whiny Baby Manchild Wars 2014
Post by: Slinky on October 20, 2014, 04:16:34 pm
I miss Nintendo Power.
Title: Re: Whiny Baby Manchild Wars 2014
Post by: Rysworld on October 20, 2014, 05:18:56 pm
I'm pretty sure Aspie actually the denonym, not a derogatory term.

Still, what a ****ter.
Title: Re: Whiny Baby Manchild Wars 2014
Post by: Slinky on October 20, 2014, 07:25:02 pm
It's not derogatory as far as I know. The words around it though...sheesh...
Title: Re: Whiny Baby Manchild Wars 2014
Post by: PatMan33 on October 20, 2014, 08:39:52 pm
The problem is that a lot of these *******s also happen to be feminists. They intentionally conflate the issues because it is to their advantage to play the victim and focus on the feminist angle. It's easier for them to defend and it's easier for the public to understand (even if they dislike it) because it has been an issue in the public sphere for decades.

Trying to explain media corruption in video games is like handing Joe Public a Rubik's Cube.
Title: Re: Whiny Baby Manchild Wars 2014
Post by: Slinky on October 21, 2014, 11:34:06 am
I feel like Joe Public, lemme tell ya. I mean I consider myself a feminist (who doesn't like equal rights eh?) but I don't support the radicals and I don't like Sarkeesian's cherry-picking and stuff like that.
Title: Re: Whiny Baby Manchild Wars 2014
Post by: PatMan33 on October 21, 2014, 12:10:03 pm
But Bayonetta was clearly designed by men as a sex idol, Slinky. :U

I've been talking to a friend of mine about this. It's been depressing. He wants to tell me how much he thinks GamerGate and gaming needs to die, but then they say they never really read articles on Kotaku or any of the sites implicated in this. I mean what the heck am I supposed to do? What can I say to this person? They hate GamerGate but don't even care to pay mind to the actual issues that GamerGate has. If you aren't reading Kotaku or keeping up with the BS that they and their ilk push, then of course you're not going to understand.

And then they say they ask questions and always get a wall of text. Well yeah, there's a lot to explain. You asked, but the reading requirement is keeping you from understanding? Are you ****ing kidding me?

Modern gamers have the media they deserve. I only wish they weren't ****ing with the final product.

And yet I still feel bad after the fact because I can't convince someone to just listen objectively. He said that he sees no evidence that gaming culture isn't one of the most misogynist entities in existence. He said that. A very well-educated man I went to school with said that exact thing. What do I do? :(


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MxqSwzFy5w


**EDIT**
(http://i.imgur.com/WmhVaHB.jpg)

Shortly after Adobe dropped Gawker as a sponsor. Also Chris Kluwe is anti-GG. Darn. Good thing he's not in the NFL anymore. >_>

Adobe stands against bullying. Are bullied on twitter for it. (http://adland.tv/adnews/adobe-stands-against-bullying-are-bullied-twitter-it/455052050#XrJhmwHCOiEz57D3.99)
Title: Re: Whiny Baby Manchild Wars 2014
Post by: Celdur on October 21, 2014, 02:38:12 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEMdf8D0lfw


this is a nice recap to explain **** to people that are caught in the crossfire
Title: Re: Whiny Baby Manchild Wars 2014
Post by: Slinky on October 21, 2014, 04:34:18 pm
So, essentially, the journalists are dicks, the "feminists" are dicks, the people harassing the feminists are dicks, and Gamergate is one big cluster**** that gets in the way of the people who just want their reviews and their fun.
Title: Re: Whiny Baby Manchild Wars 2014
Post by: Slinky on October 21, 2014, 06:36:53 pm
So, from the research I did to catch up, if you're against GamerGate it's because you dislike the misogyny, but if you're for GamerGate it's because you want better journalism, but most people can't seem to separate that "wanting ethical reviews" and "antifeminism" are two different things because a lot of the people who want the better journalism also harass the women. Then, because of this, the scumbags who want the profit divert attention from their scumbaggery by crying about the misogyny, so, #notyourshield was started to show that it's not all misogynists, but #notyourshield turned out to actually be the OTHER scumbags aka 4chan...and...and...God, this is awful. Why are you people talking about this?
Title: Re: Whiny Baby Manchild Wars 2014
Post by: eropS on October 21, 2014, 07:00:08 pm
Because it has the small potential of bringing some sort of change and some people feel it is worth exploring the option as far as it can go.

Full steam ahead leggoooooo
Title: Re: Whiny Baby Manchild Wars 2014
Post by: PatMan33 on October 21, 2014, 07:08:22 pm
The problem as I see it is that any mention of Zoe Quinn or Anita Sarkeesian sends up cries of misogyny. But to leave those two out of a summary of events would not give you the whole story because they are disingenuous at best and liars at worst.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbihPTgAql4

Do I need to play this back to back with the "I'm not actually a gamer" video every damn day? I don't get why people keep ignoring this. She outright admits to not being a gamer or knowing anything about games and then completely pulls a review of Bayonetta out of her ass that is factually inaccurate at every single turn. Better give her more money just in case. ::)


Also Slinky, the "are d**ks" list should include whoever changed the subject of this thread.  Total d**k move there.

Classic Sam.
Title: Re: Whiny Baby Manchild Wars 2014
Post by: Slinky on October 21, 2014, 07:37:10 pm
Sam is 100% human penis tissue and not in the sexy way.
Title: Re: Whiny Baby Manchild Wars 2014
Post by: PatMan33 on October 21, 2014, 07:45:55 pm
That is an impossible statement.
Title: Re: Whiny Baby Manchild Wars 2014
Post by: Slinky on October 21, 2014, 07:55:08 pm
Okay, maybe a little sexy.


I don't have a problem with Sarkeesian or her videos, whether she's a gamer or not. I think she exaggerates a bit but I mean, Bayonetta is a little iffy and that's really obvious. I've played it, and while I wouldn't say it's a scummy terrible misogynist porno fantasy, it's...you know, it's still kinda sexist. Not all of it, but it's there.
Title: Re: Whiny Baby Manchild Wars 2014
Post by: PatMan33 on October 21, 2014, 08:45:57 pm
Almost every point she made in that video was factually inaccurate and she wrote the game off by saying there was only one good thing (and that was a bad joke anyway). :|

WUT??

Bayonetta is considered by many to be the best third person action game ever made.
Title: Re: Whiny Baby Manchild Wars 2014
Post by: /lurk on October 21, 2014, 10:14:07 pm
Then, because of this, the scumbags who want the profit divert attention from their scumbaggery by crying about the misogyny, so, #notyourshield was started to show that it's not all misogynists, but #notyourshield turned out to actually be the OTHER scumbags aka 4chan...and...and...God, this is awful. Why are you people talking about this?

Anyone trying to discredit #notyourshield is a huge racist and, worse, probably a games journalist.

The NYS guys are legit and have an even better reason to be angry than the rest of us.


And Anita Sarkeesian can have bad opinions as much as she likes. The problem with her is that she's supported (and financially supported) by journos (who are furthermore already crooked e.g. sex scandal, gamejournopros, nexus tablets, Kane & Lynch 2, "Dewritogate", the Pinsoff affair, IGF indiecade etc. - the stuff #gamergate is really about) who abuse their platform to push only her perspective and censor any kind of disagreement or alternative viewpoint with cries of "misogyny" - or just regular censorship, if they have the connections to pull it off (like Christopher "Moot" Poole). You can say her videos are poorly researched (or you can't, because then you're a "misogynist") but really her connections cast her in a worse light than if she was merely just lazy or biased.

(You need a lot of parentheses to talk about this stuff because there's so much going on).
Title: Re: Whiny Baby Manchild Wars 2014
Post by: Slinky on October 22, 2014, 06:51:03 am
I just heard #notyourshield was 4channers, but if it's really not, then of course I see no reason to discredit it.

Pat, 's a good game. I read the annotations the video. I'm just saying, she doesn't seem "evil", and she doesn't deserve to be threatened.
Title: Re: Whiny Baby Manchild Wars 2014
Post by: Tesla on October 22, 2014, 07:37:07 am
So I just noticed that my very-feminist friend (who has no interest in video games) retweeted something about gamergate. (Hate that term.) A lot of "outsiders" seem to think it's just a bunch of misogynist attacks and nothing more. Its infuriating.

So I haven't been paying attention to this for a while, and to catch up I read the Wikipedia article. Just as I expected, basically nothing has really come of this. As far as I can see, anyway.
Title: Re: Whiny Baby Manchild Wars 2014
Post by: Slinky on October 22, 2014, 08:13:51 am
I've read three Kotaku articles in my entire life and I haven't been on IGN since 2010. I think we just ought to boycott games journalism all together, let it fall apart, and start anew.
Title: Re: Whiny Baby Manchild Wars 2014
Post by: Tesla on October 22, 2014, 08:24:34 am
gam jerneelm
Title: Re: Whiny Baby Manchild Wars 2014
Post by: Slinky on October 22, 2014, 09:35:30 am
this is terrible and i hate it
Title: Re: Whiny Baby Manchild Wars 2014
Post by: PatMan33 on October 22, 2014, 02:23:33 pm
Pat, 's a good game. I read the annotations the video. I'm just saying, she doesn't seem "evil", and she doesn't deserve to be threatened.

Who is saying she is evil? I'm calling her a fraud, which that video clearly shows. She has no clue what she is talking about and is pushing a thinly veiled agenda.

Who is saying she deserves to be threatened? Anyone casting out death threats at these people is not part of GamerGate and is a ****ty human being.

By the way I love you Slinky. :D   But I feel like what you replied with was inaccurate, hence my response.

Just as I expected, basically nothing has really come of this. As far as I can see, anyway.

GG has been contacting sponsors and so far a few have left. This is a long campaign, we can and will outlast them and we will win. The advertisers aren't stupid and they are pissed that the journos are insulting their customers. (see my edit below to see Gawker making fun of their former ad partners and crapping on GG in one post!)

BUT. THIS IS WHY I AM HERE TODAY.

(http://i.imgur.com/kxmcPH0.jpg)

This. ****. Right. Here. :|

You know I was doing a few deliveries today at work and in the back of my head I was wondering if there'd be people blaming GG for this by the time I got home. I got out early today...



**EDIT**
Also here, more Gawker **** from today. This is how they talk about us. They throw this **** at us all the time and are never held responsible for it. If I call Anita Sarkeesian a fart, I'll get doxxed and run through the ringer before a week long smear campaign is launched against me on every games news site. **** these smug *******s.

Quote from: http://gawker.com/how-we-got-rolled-by-the-dishonest-fascists-of-gamergat-1649496579/
How We Got Rolled by the Dishonest Fascists of Gamergate

On October 1, the computing giant Intel pulled its ads from Gamasutra, a trade website for game developers, over an essay called "'Gamers' don't have to be your audience. 'Gamers' are over" by a journalist named Leigh Alexander. Intel had been successfully harassed by a small, contemptible crusade called "Gamergate"—a campaign of dedicated anti-feminist internet trolls using an ill-informed mob of alienated and resentful video game-playing teenagers and young men to harass and intimidate female activists, journalists, and critics.

Unable to run Alexander out of game writing, as they had with the writer Jenn Frank, or force her from her home, as they did to the developer Brianna Wu, or threaten her from public engagements, as they did the following week to the critic and activist Anita Sarkeesian, Gamergate went after her publisher. And, in an unbelievable and embarrassing act of ignorance and cowardice, Intel capitulated. The company's laughable "apology," released late on that Friday afternoon, didn't cover up the fact of Gamergate's victory: Intel was not replacing its ads.

Failing to adequately cover this act of spinelessness was the first big ****-up we at Gawker committed. Intel surrendered to the worst kind of dishonesty, and we allowed it to do so without ever calling it out. So let's say it now: Intel is run by craven idiots. It employs pusillanimous morons. It lacks integrity. It folded to misogynists and bigots who objected to a woman who had done nothing more than write a piece claiming a place in the world of video games. And even when confronted with its own thoughtlessness and irresponsibility, it could not properly right its wrongs.

Last week, a Gawker writer tweeted "bring back bullying." He, and later I, made the tactical mistake of publicly treating Gamergate with the contempt and flippancy that it deserves. As a consequence, our advertisers were quickly inundated with the same kinds of emails that spooked Intel. Gamergaters were passing around a sample letter ("DO NOT COPY AND PASTE") and list of advertiser contacts to coordinate the campaign; the Washington Post's Caitlin Dewey wrote an excellent breakdown of the efficient mechanism by which the relatively small group of Gamergaters was able to make itself immediately annoying to advertisers:

Step 4: Plug all of your choices into one of the many form e-mails that leaders of Disrespectful Nod have helpfully written already. [...]

Step 5: Keep it up, even when you get no response, and be — to quote the operation's guide! — "an annoying little s—." A representative for a high-profile communications company that advertises on Polygon confirmed that he'd received "dozens" of e-mails from Gamergate supporters over a period of several weeks.

Operation Disrespectful Nod also encourages Gamergaters to reach out to the bosses and managers of journalists who have written "negative" stories, demanding the reporter in question be fired or asked to resign. Topping their most-wanted list, at present, is Gawker Media's Biddle, who tweeted a string of jokes about Gamergate on Thursday. In context, at least, the jokes were an obvious — if tongue-in-cheek — commentary on the movement's well-documented, often hateful, idiocy. Critics construed them as an endorsement for bullying. (Biddle later apologized for the tweets.)
Transparent and documented though it was, the obsessive campaign worked. Mercedes-Benz—listed on the site as a former partner, and therefore a target—briefly paused its ads on a network that serves ads to Gawker. I've been told that we've lost thousands of dollars already, and could potentially lose thousands more, if not millions. Consequently, the editorial director of Gawker Media, Joel Johnson, took to the front page of Gawker to clarify that Sam Biddle does not want to bully anyone, and that Gawker Media as a company and institution is not pro-bullying. (Let's note here that the admitted goal of our Gamergate trolls is not to eke an apology out of Sam, or the company, but to literally put us out of business entirely.)

If this seems bizarre to you, you're not alone. I feel like I went to sleep in the regular world and woke up in an insane new one where "bullying" is something that it's possible to be seriously and sincerely "for." Yesterday, Adobe wrote to one Gamergater on Twitter that it had asked Gawker to remove its logo from the advertising site because it did not support bullying; a few confused hours later, Adobe was forced to clarify to the world:

We are vehemently opposed to bullying of any kind and would never support any group that bullies.

— Adobe (@Adobe) October 22, 2014
Brands like Adobe and Intel, willing to distance themselves from independent publishers over the spurious claims of a limited but dedicated group of misogynists and trolls, share an important core value with Gamergate: Misogyny. Kidding! Kidding. The value that defines both Gamergate and brand response is cynicism. A brand that honestly believes it needs to clarify that it is "vehemently opposed to bullying of any kind"—as though there are or have ever been genuine corporate supporters of bullying, and as though anyone was ever in danger of thinking the makers of Photoshop might be among their number—passes on to its adult customers the same corroding cynicism that the opportunistic reactionaries running Gamergate imbue in their maladjusted teenage followers. Releasing into the world a statement as vacuous as Adobe's tweet, or as inane as Intel's "apology," demonstrates not that those brands stand against something (how else can anyone possibly feel about bullying?) but that they stand for nothing.

Maybe that's too much to expect from a brand. But it seems like the bare minimum to expect from ourselves. Gawker is rarely perfect, but it strives to be honest and fearless. For us to have apologized for a joke—to have even clarified—in the face of such breathtaking cynicism and dishonesty, from both "ad partners" and the enemies who leverage those brands' fearfulness to silence opposing voices, feels like an utter abdication of those responsibilities. Frankly, that sucks. If anyone is owed an apology, it's our readers. So: Sorry.

And the worst part is that they STILL won't talk to us.

And then in an ultimate irony Gawker is still ****ting on Intel and Adobe and bulling GG in this very post...
Title: Re: Gamergate: World War Baaaw
Post by: Celdur on October 22, 2014, 02:51:24 pm
Intel is still sponsoring them, and in that article he is calling them idiots.
That's gonna go over well.

Why can't they stop digging their own graves. If they were just reasonable about it from the start, like say, the escapist (still not perfect in my opinion but whatever.)
then we wouldn't be here right now. But they just can't see that you can not appease angry customers by calling smearing them and belittling their complaints.
Though really, if they did a 180 right now and tried to appease everyone, I think it would be too late for that. Who knows.
Title: Re: Gamergate: World War Baaaw
Post by: Slinky on October 22, 2014, 03:01:01 pm
Pat I love you too and it's in the butt way.
Title: Re: Gamergate: World War Baaaw
Post by: PatMan33 on October 22, 2014, 05:28:45 pm
Pat I love you too and it's in the butt way.

aW MAN pARTYvAN!!!

Filed Under: GamerGate
Title: Re: Gamergate: World War Baaaw
Post by: PatMan33 on October 22, 2014, 05:31:22 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLrwPneD_OY

Yo this.
Title: Re: Gamergate: World War Baaaw
Post by: Slinky on October 22, 2014, 05:34:39 pm
I see even Mario himself has gotten in on the action.
Title: Re: Gamergate: World War Baaaw
Post by: PatMan33 on October 22, 2014, 05:37:28 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/2nwk964.png)

 ;)


Also posting this again since the page changed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLrwPneD_OY

It's a good one. Watch this if you generally skip stuff.
Title: Re: Gamergate: World War Baaaw
Post by: Slinky on October 22, 2014, 06:09:48 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLrwPneD_OY

Have we posted this yet?
Title: Re: Gamergate: World War Baaaw
Post by: Slinky on October 22, 2014, 06:16:30 pm
By the way, can we get an actual woman in here? Just for the "sexism in games" thing. I mean it would be great to get a point of view from an actual female gamer who we personally know not to be a fraud. Anyone know any? I know a few.
Title: Re: Gamergate: World War Baaaw
Post by: PatMan33 on October 22, 2014, 06:44:34 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6VFIN1WJEY

repost


**EDIT**
Olympus leaves Gawker (http://theralphretort.com/zoom-out-olympus-leaves-gawker/)
Nissan cuts ties with Gawker (http://theralphretort.com/nissan-cuts-ties-gawker/)

And Ralph is on a roll today!

ZOE QUINN: “DEPRESSION QUEST DEAD IN THE WATER WITHOUT GRAYSON” (http://theralphretort.com/zoe-quinn-couldnt-have-made-depression-quest-without-grayson/) (editorialized headline)

And since you said the secret word: Gawker's Advertisers - Pastebin (http://pastebin.com/esE9whL9)
Title: Re: Gamergate: World War Baaaw
Post by: Gauphastus on October 23, 2014, 12:39:18 pm
That Ryulong guy on wikipedia involved in the gamergate article is an enormous

ENORMOUS lameass.
Title: Re: Gamergate: World War Baaaw
Post by: PatMan33 on October 23, 2014, 12:43:15 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR3UlqrSHkQ

Aw yiiiis.


**EDIT**
Also here is what Gauph may be referring to.

(http://i.imgur.com/Zd70nLR.png)
Title: Re: Gamergate: World War Baaaw
Post by: PatMan33 on October 23, 2014, 01:23:27 pm
Posting this to make sure I have on record that I completely relate to Event in this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-NonqT6SZY
Title: Re: Gamergate: World War Baaaw
Post by: /lurk on October 23, 2014, 09:10:59 pm
Event is a cool guy. And speaking of cool guys:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1QE66XioZc
Title: Re: Gamergate: World War Baaaw
Post by: Inkling on October 23, 2014, 09:42:06 pm
I caught part of this on NPR today.  I'm interested in coverage where both sides of the gamergate nonsense actually talk to each other.  Or are at least talking past each other on the same show.  It seems to be a rare occurrence.  Oh, and there's a listener call in section.

http://onpoint.wbur.org/2014/10/23/gamergate-video-game-culture-depression-quest-feminism
Title: Re: Gamergate: World War Baaaw
Post by: PatMan33 on October 24, 2014, 05:51:54 am
Thanks for that one. It's a good listen.
Title: Re: Gamergate: World War Baaaw
Post by: Slinky on October 24, 2014, 12:46:45 pm
I've never liked him.
Title: Re: Gamergate: World War Baaaw
Post by: /lurk on October 24, 2014, 07:52:05 pm
Remember when I said Anita Sarkeesian could have all the bad opinions she wanted? I lied.

She is a truly awful person to use a tragedy to push her bull**** propaganda. Disgusting.
Title: Re: Gamergate: World War Baaaw
Post by: PatMan33 on October 24, 2014, 10:54:55 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2oEQSdhTjc

THIS IS A RED LETTER DAY


**EDIT**
Also on a more serious note, a few people were alluding to this tweet earlier, I believe.

(http://i.imgur.com/ukrhV0T.png)
Title: Re: Gamergate: World War Baaaw
Post by: Gauphastus on October 24, 2014, 11:26:39 pm
Oh, wow. That is classy as hell.
Title: Re: Gamergate: World War Baaaw
Post by: PatMan33 on October 25, 2014, 09:23:27 am
Got another good one from yesterday and this could be the best one yet!

The basic idea is that InternetAristocrat has been away for about a week and wanted to do a catch-up stream. He got several of the high-profile commentators from YouTube on his stream and they started to talk. About a quarter of the way through they start sating TotalBiscuit wants to talk as well. And wouldn't you know it, TotalBiscuit really was there and he talks for almost an hour with the GamerGate people.

This could be a big moment for GamerGate. TotalBiscuit represents a market force several times larger than any of the traditional games media (combined) and that force is concentrated in one person. Props to Ink (and Celdur) for getting this one to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g30jXK7ACqY

So yeah, TotalBiscuit talks GamerGate with InternetAristocrat and others. :)


**EDIT**
Seriously watch the above video, it's pretty great. TotalBiscuit is good at looking at this reasonably fairly.

Also give this Newsweek article a gander: Is GamerGate About Media Ethics or Harassing Women? Harassment, the Data Shows (http://www.newsweek.com/gamergate-about-media-ethics-or-harassing-women-harassment-data-show-279736)

Check dat first paragraph, yo. And check out this tweet from the article's author!

(http://i.imgur.com/See2Ycc.jpg)

Oh dude here's another one of his posts. This dude is a *******.

(http://i.imgur.com/s3uhp0l.png)
Title: Re: Gamergate: Beyond Gamerdome
Post by: PatMan33 on October 25, 2014, 09:01:04 pm
Been talking with some folks on Facebook again.

Twitter seems to be a big problem here. Some people only know GamerGate from Twitter, the place where the least discussion happens and where most of the **** flinging occurs. They don't go to forums or image boards, the live through Twitter. I nearly overlooked it because of what I think is a generation issue. I'm too old for Twitter, it wasn't a thing when I was younger and it just seems stupid to me. But a lot of these younger gamers only know things like Twitter and Facebook and have never lived on the Internet a lot of us are familiar with.

A lot of them haven't even been on the actual Internet, just apps. Twitter isn't helping and our campaign is more than just a hashtag.

Also Huffington Post discusses GG with women (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/15/female-gamers-gamergate_n_5990310.html). Pretty good video. I guess it's to make up for the one they did a few days ago where it was only anti-GG people.


**EDIT**
Finally for tonight, something different. I've been hearing rumblings about this over a few days but today it has been picking up steam. It is possible that Gawker is lying about some of its advertisers. The reason I say this is because I've been reading on /gg/ that when some people have contacted advertisers they response is "we don't advertise with Gawker". WUT. :U

Also ChiToes, I'm reading the comment section for "crossing the street", oh man I love this one:

Quote from: User: Randy Divinski
It's insane that an obsession of some arcane aspect of "gaming journalism" is being elevated to some high ''liberty or death" principle that justifies bullying, threats, doxxing

That whole "ethics" thing is pretty arcane, wouldn't you say?


**EDIT EDIT**
Sorry, I lied. ;D

Older Sam Biddle article bitching about why Google hires racists. (https://archive.today/Ue7a1) Interesting.

Also apparently some guy named PlayDangerously is our leader? Who knew? Anyway, Anti-GG people are calling the cops on him (https://archive.today/0sKjE) it would seem. But when pressed, the Caroline lady that started this whole mess (the link is to her blog) says no she wasn't actually doing it and called some TV show instead. Because it was a joke lol just a joke it wasn't serious come on guys for realz lolol
Title: Re: Gamergate: Beyond Gamerdome
Post by: Inkling on October 26, 2014, 01:19:28 am
The video with Aristocrat and Totalbiscuit was interesting.  I don't really know tb's background, but apparently he has a lot of contacts within the game industry.  It was nice to hear a voice still calling for dialogue and trying to find a constructive resolution.  Then as soon as he left, it was back to burn down the sites and salt the earth.

Chitoes, I think your expectations of celebrities are a bit too high.
Title: Re: Gamergate: Beyond Gamerdome
Post by: PatMan33 on October 26, 2014, 08:26:21 am
Just a heads up, I use this thread as a repository. Some of the stuff I have no real opinion on (especially that Felicia Day stuff, it seems like an interesting thread to show you guys), though I love seeing all of your responses. Sometimes you guys help me find opinions or stray away from opinions. It's nice here. :D

Got a gem from Facebook this morning in response to something I wrote.

Quote from: Facebook Matt
I don't get why people are so mad about the developer who slept with some dude for a good review supposedly. Honestly, if I made a game and saw ANY opportunity to get it better reception, I'd ****in take it, as would most people who pour that much time and effort and energy into creating something.

:U

This is the kind of ignorance we have to break through. This is the kind of person that anti-GG makes their bread and butter off of. How do we get these people up to snuff?
Title: Re: Gamergate: Beyond Gamerdome
Post by: Inkling on October 26, 2014, 10:31:56 am
In that case I'm not sure you can.  Replace "made a game" with wrote a book, owned a business, ran for office, etc.  If facebook Matt really is saying he sees no ethical restrictions in promoting your endeavors, then no, he's not going to see much wrong here.
Title: Re: Gamergate: Beyond Gamerdome
Post by: PatMan33 on October 26, 2014, 10:54:08 am
This whole GG thing has made me very anti-Twitter. I didn't like it before, but man... if our parents thought spending the afternoon on the net warped our thoughts, Twitter is that times a thousand. It ensures minimal consideration for issues thanks to 140 characters.

And that seems to be the large split. People that are very into GG seem to frequent forums and image boards. The anti-GG crowd is heavily invested in Twitter, where details don't exist. And most of the people in the middle frequent neither.


**EDIT**
A common comeback I get in debates is "where was GamerGate before Zoe Quinn?"

Yet when I mention the in-jokes our community has had for years about corruption, articles and websites detailing this stuff, Jack Thompson, past agitators... they always ignore it. "WELL YOU'RE STILL HARASSING A WOMAN!!", they say. Well then, here's a video from 2010 with some insights on this growing fiasco. And you might recognize the guy doing it. :3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ohQyFv5yYw


**EDIT**
Colombia Journalism Review - Gawker: The internet bully (http://www.cjr.org/the_kicker/gawker_bullying.php) <-- Good read, somewhat respectable source
Hey remember that time Gawker send out the names of gun owners in New York City because they disagreed with it? (https://archive.today/SFhxa) :U
TotalBiscuit: Whose Side am I on? (https://soundcloud.com/totalbiscuit/whose-side-am-i-on) <-- Another good one!



ALSO GUYS! REAL QUESTION!
Am I posting too much? I've basically stopped reading most other gaming news and this has consumed my limited free time. So I dig and dig and like to bring back what I find for you guys. But I feel like I do so at the risk of overloading some of you. That is not my intent, but I will try to post less if you guys want. I feel like I'm starting to dominate this thread with my giants posts full of links and videos that take hours to get through.

Please let me know what you want me to do. I don't want to turn anyone off. As a stopgap, I've begun marking the more important bits of what I post, since admittedly some of it is mere intrigue and not much substance. I wish Didero would come back in here. I miss his input.
Title: Re: Gamergate: Beyond Gamerdome
Post by: Celdur on October 26, 2014, 01:33:18 pm
Nah man, keep people informed. maybe separate the news from the opinions so people can skim past if they don't wanna read 5000 word articles.

And yeah, this really has been going on for a long while. I mean, even before Jeff Gerstmann people were already suspicious of **** not being quite right. And then when that came to light people pointed at it and shouted "see! it's right there!". But it was just brushed off as a single incident and not representative of the entire media.

I mean the same thing has happened every time some big scandal pops up like doritogate and the mass effect 3 thing (also its funny how it used to be 'entitled gamer' and now its misogynist):
it gets brushed off as nothing interesting or no proof of anything.
The only reason gamergate has only happened now is because of the streisand effect. The whole silence from the media and the censorship that happened in some pretty huge places.
That's what I think anyway.
That and the gamers are dead articles.
Title: Re: Gamergate: Beyond Gamerdome
Post by: Inkling on October 26, 2014, 01:43:47 pm
This thread keeps me from having to actually go to the sites that talk about it.
Title: Re: Gamergate: Beyond Gamerdome
Post by: Slinky on October 26, 2014, 01:47:08 pm
pat leave this forum
Title: Re: Gamergate: Beyond Gamerdome
Post by: PatMan33 on October 26, 2014, 03:56:14 pm
I just wanna add that I've seen you dipping into topics here and there over the years, ChiToes, but you've been very vocal since this one started. Glad to have your voice in the debate because you add a lot, even if I am not always on board. Don't be a stranger! Though I completely understand taking a break. ****'s nuts. :P

Also I'm going to take Celdur's advice and start flagging links that are strictly opinion. Will probably use red like I did in that last post. Gonna separate the streams out, too, since they are kind of a melding of fact and opinion.

OH AND REMEMBER GUYS! DON'T STOP EMAILING!
If you need information on the email campaign, send me a PM and I can get you the requisite information. Or just go onto /gg/ and find the pastebin. ;D


**EDIT**
These Are the Creepy 4Chan Successors Behind Gamergate's Pathetic War (https://archive.today/C5nP3)
Another gem from Gawker's main page. :U

Gawker is toxic to brands who partner with them (http://adland.tv/adnews/gawker-toxic-brands-who-partner-them/1291467968#7SJBLOuUTu9WRhpZ.99)
And this one here is from advertising circles. The word is getting out about Gawker's crap.

Quote from: Gawker Article
On 4chan and 8chan, one could theoretically log on and have a real dialogue about music, sports, or any number of other topics. AnonIB harbors no such pretenses. Users of the anonymous image-sharing board—whose name literally means "anonymous image board"—want just one thing: to jerk off to stolen pictures of naked women.

Why did they go after AnonIB? lol that was dumb there are some crazy ****s over there.
Title: Re: Gamergate: Beyond Gamerdome
Post by: PatMan33 on October 27, 2014, 07:37:26 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETVcInunAss

Brianna Wu gets asked some tough questions. Watch what happens.
Title: Re: Gamergate: Beyond Gamerdome
Post by: Inkling on October 27, 2014, 09:27:09 pm
So I've never had to flee my house from safety concerns, but if I did I don't think I would then put my face on an national news station.
Title: Re: Gamergate: Beyond Gamerdome
Post by: PatMan33 on October 28, 2014, 12:09:12 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RVlCvBd21w

Ba-booooooom!!

Video by Thunderf00t about Sarkeesian connecting school shootings with GG (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qzpue3MPuko)
Title: Re: Gēmāgēto: Okosshibō shojo yokkyū fuman
Post by: PatMan33 on October 28, 2014, 07:48:07 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljIMMCQyexA

RESPONSE INTERVIEW, GO!
Title: Re: Gēmāgēto: Okosshibō shojo yokkyū fuman
Post by: Inkling on October 28, 2014, 09:58:29 pm
I knew Milo would be better at this, seeing as he's an actual journalist.  Editorialist?  Professional arguer?  Whatever you call someone who works at Breitbart.  What's Mrs. Wu's reason for being involved in all of this again?  Does she make or write about games, or does she just argue on twitter for a living?
Title: Re: Gēmāgēto: Okosshibō shojo yokkyū fuman
Post by: PatMan33 on October 29, 2014, 07:02:45 am
That would explain why she emphasizes iOS gaming so often.
Title: Re: Gēmāgēto: Okosshibō shojo yokkyū fuman
Post by: Inkling on October 29, 2014, 03:00:06 pm
So the cutscenes from Mass Effect and Reboot had a baby, then abandoned it on the app store?
Title: Re: Gēmāgēto: Okosshibō shojo yokkyū fuman
Post by: PatMan33 on October 29, 2014, 03:17:11 pm
Jennie Bharaj did an interview on that Pakman show. She is not one of my favorite GG people, I feel like she's too excitable and doesn't dwell enough in facts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqwLyjcQ6SU

Alas she did poorly in this interview because of those qualities. Hopefully it doesn't cause too much damage.

Also Anon is on to us, game over (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MB4bpPDdvos)!
Title: Re: Gēmāgēto: Okosshibō shojo yokkyū fuman
Post by: PatMan33 on October 29, 2014, 03:26:47 pm
Despite just posting a reply, this warrants its own space because it is FRESH. BRAND NEW!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpmIrWqEUUU

Stephen Totilo discusses journalism ethics with TotalBiscuit. Check this one out!!
Title: Re: Gēmāgēto: Okosshibō shojo yokkyū fuman
Post by: Person21 on October 30, 2014, 12:33:35 pm
I was so scared that I took a 24 hour twitter break

But then I though about it and realised that these people aren't going to scare me away from a job that I love

(https://i.imgur.com/f0G1ksk.gif)
Title: Re: Gamergate Halloween Special: GHOULERgate or, uh GamergatesGATES OF HELL.
Post by: Celdur on October 30, 2014, 05:38:08 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4Lf_rWgZfg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaMccosnRMc

these videos are really god damn relevant
Title: Re: Gamergate Halloween Special: GHOULERgate or, uh GamergatesGATES OF HELL.
Post by: PatMan33 on October 30, 2014, 09:54:08 pm
Aw thanks for posting the TB video. Haven't been around much today.

Still not sure what to make of the Colbert interview. I was very depressed about it, to be honest with you aw. That one hurt my feelings a bit. Why is she allowed to spout off, unchallenged at every turn? She's lying and misrepresenting gamers and nobody cares.


**EDIT**
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4Lf_rWgZfg (video Celdur posted already)
(http://i.imgur.com/j1KLrAi.png)

This is the image that goes with Celdur's video. The image can be found in the video's infobar and the author wants us to look at it before we watch the video. So here it is.

Also jesus **** she won't help? **** her. Are you kidding me? This woman...

Also note the authorities have, apparently, been notified already.
Title: Re: Gamergate Halloween Special: GHOULERgate or, uh GamergatesGATES OF HELL.
Post by: Celdur on October 31, 2014, 12:10:44 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYPgUzQPcV8
this is pretty interesting
Title: Re: Gamergate Halloween Special: GHOULERgate or, uh GamergatesGATES OF HELL.
Post by: PatMan33 on October 31, 2014, 05:51:45 pm
Thanks for the videos, guys! I feel a bit better.

 :)
Title: Re: Gamergate Halloween Special: GHOULERgate or, uh GamergatesGATES OF HELL.
Post by: PatMan33 on November 02, 2014, 04:38:58 pm
I went to noelplum99's channel but can't find the video about Patreon. Care to lend a hand? :D

IGN’S DISCLOSURE, CODE OF ETHICS PUBLIC POLICY COMING SOON (http://blogjob.com/oneangrygamer/2014/11/gamergate-igns-disclosure-code-of-ethics-public-policy-coming-soon/)
Title: Re: Gamergate Halloween Special: GHOULERgate or, uh GamergatesGATES OF HELL.
Post by: PatMan33 on November 02, 2014, 05:55:27 pm
Thanks!

I like these kinda videos for background noise while gaming. Will play them four or five times and eventually get most of it. :D
Title: Re: Sanics and Sarkesians Adventure Module 6.5: Beyond the Gamer's Gate
Post by: Tesla on November 03, 2014, 10:57:29 pm
It's Sam. You can see it on the first post.

But why does it matter what the thread is called? :P
Title: Re: Sanics and Sarkesians Adventure Module 6.5: Beyond the Gamer's Gate
Post by: Krakow Sam on November 04, 2014, 03:13:19 am
Because nobody who is emotionally invested in Gamergate on any side can bear the thought that someone might think the whole thing is silly and gently mock it via the medium of thread titles.
Title: Re: Sanics and Sarkesians Adventure Module 6.5: Beyond the Gamer's Gate
Post by: Celdur on November 04, 2014, 06:31:20 am
stop oppressing us.
Title: Re: Sanics and Sarkesians Adventure Module 6.5: Beyond the Gamer's Gate
Post by: Ultimatum on November 04, 2014, 08:44:27 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axE83zcx6wY
Title: Re: Sanics and Sarkesians Adventure Module 6.5: Beyond the Gamer's Gate
Post by: PatMan33 on November 04, 2014, 10:46:57 am
That GG shill that ChiToes posted uses an elongated "o" sound in her pronunciation. Wonder if she's from Delaware County. :U
Title: Re: Sanics and Sarkesians Adventure Module 6.5: Beyond the Gamer's Gate
Post by: Slinky on November 04, 2014, 12:56:03 pm
yeah sam how dare you joke around about a group of friends
Title: Re: Sanics and Sarkesians Adventure Module 6.5: Beyond the Gamer's Gate
Post by: Ultimatum on November 04, 2014, 01:04:16 pm
my God Sam have you no decency
Title: Re: Sanics and Sarkesians Adventure Module 6.5: Beyond the Gamer's Gate
Post by: Slinky on November 04, 2014, 02:29:49 pm
why are you attacking these poor innocent socially progressive gamers with your hate speech
Title: Re: Sanics and Sarkesians Adventure Module 6.5: Beyond the Gamer's Gate
Post by: Krakow Sam on November 05, 2014, 10:14:40 am
silly and gently mock it

You don't have to be emotionally invested in Gamergate to be subject to the attacks against gamers.  This "gentle mocking" of people who are otherwise being defamed throughout the media is not an innocent act.

The only games I play these days are roguelikelikes that cost at most five bucks and Paradox strategy games. I don't give a yodelling piss about games "journalism" or what someone on the internet thinks counts as oppressing women.

why are you attacking these poor innocent socially progressive gamers with your hate speech

Well isn't it obvious Slinky? I'm Hitler.
Title: Re: Sanics and Sarkesians Adventure Module 6.5: Beyond the Gamer's Gate
Post by: PatMan33 on November 05, 2014, 11:45:18 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3uONAKyCu4

This guy. :D
Title: Re: Sanics and Sarkesians Adventure Module 6.5: Beyond the Gamer's Gate
Post by: Slinky on November 05, 2014, 11:51:00 am
I thought Pat was Hitler. That means Sam has to be Co-Hitler.
Title: Re: Sanics and Sarkesians Adventure Module 6.5: Beyond the Gamer's Gate
Post by: PatMan33 on November 05, 2014, 12:15:36 pm
Clone Hitler! You never clone Hitler. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YouClonedHitler)
Title: Re: Sanics and Sarkesians Adventure Module 6.5: Beyond the Gamer's Gate
Post by: Slinky on November 05, 2014, 12:33:27 pm
Great, now I'm stuck for hours.
Title: Re: Sanics and Sarkesians Adventure Module 6.5: Beyond the Gamer's Gate
Post by: Krakow Sam on November 05, 2014, 03:33:02 pm
http://www.somethingawful.com/video-game-article/good-ethics-journalism/
Title: Re: Sanics and Sarkesians Adventure Module 6.5: Beyond the Gamer's Gate
Post by: Tesla on November 05, 2014, 04:58:40 pm
The only games I play these days are roguelikelikes that cost at most five bucks and Paradox strategy games. I don't give a yodelling piss about games "journalism" or what someone on the internet thinks counts as oppressing women.

I'm an aspiring games developer and I feel the same...
Title: Re: Sanics and Sarkesians Adventure Module 6.5: Beyond the Gamer's Gate
Post by: Celdur on November 05, 2014, 07:34:58 pm
if you aspire to make video games obviously you should worry about the press.
after all, they are the ones that will or won't cover your game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bL_-gdivwoA
Title: Re: Sanics and Sarkesians Adventure Module 6.5: Beyond the Gamer's Gate
Post by: Slinky on November 06, 2014, 11:29:17 am
bayonetta

(https://31.media.tumblr.com/4164be4b26d9438e01b8d4a9ead34502/tumblr_inline_ndidufr8gN1r8qhqi.jpg)
Title: Re: Gamer Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens
Post by: Inkling on November 06, 2014, 02:32:16 pm
Adam Savage weighs in:

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/11/mythbuster-adam-savages-levelheaded-response-to-gamergate-shts-tough-for-girls/
Title: Re: Gamer Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens
Post by: Rysworld on November 06, 2014, 02:53:53 pm
Wow, everyone's getting in on this ****pile, aren't they?
Title: Re: Gamer Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens
Post by: /lurk on November 06, 2014, 04:39:20 pm
Well that's a cute opinion but what the hell does it have to do with gamergate?
Title: Re: Gamer Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens
Post by: Slinky on November 06, 2014, 07:53:28 pm
this is getting confusing. tesla, make a map.
Title: Re: Gamer Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens
Post by: eropS on November 07, 2014, 01:43:16 am
Not sure what you're confused about.

Tools are toolin.
Title: Re: Gamer Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens
Post by: Gauphastus on November 07, 2014, 09:51:11 am
(http://i.imgur.com/dKaNrjm.png)

Yeah... not gonna be buying Overgrowth anymore.

What is with these people though. God damn it.
https://twitter.com/Wolfire/status/529903496045142016

these conversations are so duuuuuuuumb jesus
Title: Re: Gamer Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens
Post by: Tesla on November 07, 2014, 02:20:12 pm
this is getting confusing. tesla, make a map.

(http://i.imgur.com/3IxXZyw.png)
Title: Re: Gamer Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens
Post by: Slinky on November 07, 2014, 02:58:56 pm
Zoom. Enhance.
Title: Re: Gamer Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens
Post by: Haseri on November 08, 2014, 05:05:28 am
Nothing.  Even the noted skeptic Adam Savage loses his ability to think critically and investigate an issue in the face of a liberal sacred cow.  Maybe he is just busting the myth that only conservatives can be ignorant, dogmatic, and otherwise blinded by/wrt anything pretending to be an issue in which they are psychologically invested.

Yeah screw a guy for thinking that maybe it would be great if we get more women on board on the whole science, gaming and in fact most of society in general thing.

Without the whole, you know, people sending them death and rape threats for pointing out that the way we treat women, both fictional and real, in a staggeringly popular medium is pretty damn terrible.

I mean Jesus Christ what crap-storm would have ensued if we had the internet when Mulvey pointed out the Male Gaze in film.

But no, this is about ethics in games journalism isn't it?
Title: Re: Gamer Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens
Post by: Celdur on November 08, 2014, 06:16:26 am
oh ****, I hate doing line by line responses, but you sound upset and I feel bad.
I assure you, there has been a misunderstanding.

Yeah screw a guy for thinking that maybe it would be great if we get more women on board on the whole science, gaming and in fact most of society in general thing.
I think he isn't talking about "wouldn't it be cool if more girls got jobs in science" but more about the fact that Adam hasn't looked into this thing at all and is jumping to conclusions from what he's heard from others. Instead of looking into things critically. (Then again I don't expect him to look into the mess that is gamergate but why even interview him on it).
And maybe also what he said here:
Quote
“The problem I have is that I’m a white dude,” he continued. “And I recognize that my privilege makes it impossible for me to say, ‘There should be more women in science’ without sounding like I’m proclaiming from on high. I take that position seriously.
And oh boy is the whole "privilege" thing is a stupid discussion to have.

Quote
Without the whole, you know, people sending them death and rape threats for pointing out that the way we treat women, both fictional and real, in a staggeringly popular medium is pretty damn terrible.

I mean Jesus Christ what crap-storm would have ensued if we had the internet when Mulvey pointed out the Male Gaze in film.

But no, this is about ethics in games journalism isn't it?

No one here talked about condoning or encouraging harassment. And you have to understand that the gamergate people don't either. There is harassment, that's for sure(directed at both sides). But there is no way to tell who did it or why. No one who has harassed anyone over these past few months did it under the guise of gamergate, and a lot of time has been wasted trying to disprove claims that it was. The media has been really one sided on all this, not allowing any debate or discussion on the subject.
So please don't tie the actions of a few unknown *******s to an entire group of 250k+ people, because that's a bit ridiculous.

And as for ethics in games journalism, that's certainly part of it. But at its core I think its about trust. We can not trust the media anymore. They don't seem to have the consumers interest at heart.
And part of that is because ethics, a lot of **** has gone wrong since way before gamergate, and a whole lot more **** has been dug up since. But its also how they talk down on their readers, how they know better, how we are "entitled" and whatnot. Its been going on for a long time.

And as for the feminism aspect, I'd love to discuss about sexism in the games industry, its a topic that should be talked about. But its they that don't want this discussion, it seems.
Feminist frequency is a good example, there are a ton of articles on it saying how great it is, but any kind of discussion about it is not allowed. Any criticism is ignored, any discussion is ignored, comments and ratings are disabled on the videos. And criticism is not harassment, there are plenty of good counter arguments out there. But no matter what gets said against it, no matter how small, it gets labeled as misogyny or harassment. You will never see Sarkeesian or Mcintosh enter an open discussion about the subject. The only time they will talk is when people will listen and believe what they say, and I have a problem with that.
Also, what happened to actual research and peer review?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-6usiN4uoA
Title: Re: Gamer Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens
Post by: Haseri on November 08, 2014, 08:03:13 am
I imagine Savage was asked because he's a notable geeky person it's easy to get a quote from. Massive shock that someone doesn't have time to learn the intricacies of internet drama hour.

We can not trust the media anymore.

Welcome to media studies, 'don't trust the media, everything is a narrative constructed by someone pushing an agenda' is the second thing we learn. Right after 'meanings (especially letters and other symbols) aren't inherent, they're constructed' and right before 'everything contains the biases and ideologies of the culture that created it'. And people think studying the ways we communicate is a useless degree.

It's a damn shame that two different conversations that really should be happening are being mired by this whole debacle. It's a long time coming though. It just should not have been because a woman had sex, because that's what pulled in the feminism side. I mean, Pat's been going on about this for ages. Remember Kane and Lynch 2 and the reviewer that got fired because he gave a bad review of the game his website was sponsored by? That's when this should have been sorted out. But no, it was brushed aside because it was just business.

It's just so disheartening for people to be drawn into this whirlpool of instant comments and dissemination and then get criticised because they don't know the whole picture. Nobody knows the whole picture.
Title: Re: Gamer Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens
Post by: Celdur on November 08, 2014, 09:00:18 am
Again, you have to look at why this blew up like it did.
It wasn't because of the whole quinspiracy thing, that was hardly any bigger than doritogate, or like you said the jeff gerstman ****storm.
What I think really made it go boom was because of the initial censorship, followed by the 10 articles on august 28th.
I still don't know if the censorship of all those sites were coordinated, or if it was just a whole bunch of sites doing that on their own accord for different reasons, the latter being a whole lot more believable. But regardless, it got people thinking "why can't we talk about this".
I mean holy **** that reddit thread was insane.
And then those 10 articles dropped in the same 24 hour period, and for some people that was just evidence that all of this was a coordinated attack to get people to shut up about the whole thing.

I believe thats what made it huge, the streisand effect in full force. And what followed was people trying to organize that gigantic ****storm into a cohesive effort to try to make things better.
But in the end it doesn't really matter how things started, what matters is what its doing now. And right now its a consumer revolt which doesn't necessarily need to be fully understood by everyone. I don't think anyone would mind a site like gawker disappearing forever, aside from gawker employees.
Title: Re: Gamer Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens
Post by: eropS on November 08, 2014, 10:56:57 am
Absolutely.

**** I still think Kane and Lynch was a bigger fiasco for the implications behind it, but that was still so early and **** even the GameSpot HotSpot podcast back in the day was allowed to at least talk about it; and no one was shutting down the discussion elsewhere.
Title: Re: Gamer Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens
Post by: Inkling on November 08, 2014, 01:03:31 pm
I think the best way to look at it isn't "game scandal x was bigger than this, why didn't this all happen then."  Think of it as cumulative, that this story was the straw that broke the camel's back.

Those ten articles were amazing.  Like we discussed with Didero before, the actual content about changing demographics or whatever didn't matter.  It was exactly the wrong reaction to "gamers" being mad at them.  After years of clickbait article titles, it blew up in their faces.

Didero come back.

EDIT:  Two sides shouting at each other while framing an issue in ways that have nothing in common?  You're right, this is a lot like politics!  And also like politics, be very careful of claiming that one side or another is completely clean.  This whole mess is borne of and takes place on sites like 4chan, reddit, and twitter.  There are trolls, uninformed idiots, and general *******s throughout the whole thing.
Title: Re: Gamer Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens
Post by: sgore on November 08, 2014, 01:51:44 pm
Didero hasn't even been online for weeks. (I've tried messaging him.)
For that matter, Plank's been missing from the site for 2 months now.
Both of their last posts were in this thread.

I really hope they didn't take off because of this mess. :-\

Edit: Naw, this actually deserves a full on frowny face :(

We're a close knit community that's no stranger to political difference. (I'd hardly have put Lego, Clayface, and Yokto in the same camp, for instance, but that never got in the way of us all feeling welcome here.)

But there is something so frustrating about this debate. Certain parts of it have gotten personally accusatory to the point of being exhausting, and I'm actually getting scared it may be alienating people.

I do see people discussing this well despite disagreeing, and I appreciate that, but I also see some ridiculously suspicious attitudes, and it's concerning me.
Title: Re: Gamer Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens
Post by: sgore on November 08, 2014, 05:49:01 pm
I am hiding a twelve pound box of Mr. Goodbars in the pantry and none of you can have any.
Title: Re: Gamer Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens
Post by: Gauphastus on November 08, 2014, 06:19:50 pm
ive never had those before so i bet they taste like poo
you eat poo
Title: Re: Game Erg 8: The Legend of Game Erg's Gold
Post by: Slinky on November 10, 2014, 05:11:21 pm
GUYS ITS DAVID PACMAN! WAKA WAKA WAKA
Title: Re: A foolish thing was but a toy, for the game it gameth every day.
Post by: PatMan33 on November 12, 2014, 07:13:21 am
Sargon can become very passionate and reckless, but when he's on, he's on.

Thank you for this video. Will watch the rest of it after work tonight. :)
Title: Re: A foolish thing was but a toy, for the game it gameth every day.
Post by: Inkling on November 14, 2014, 03:13:37 pm
Sam being respectful?  Where do you think you are?
Title: Re: A Reasonably Accurate and Respectful Title
Post by: Slinky on November 14, 2014, 04:30:10 pm
inb4 it gets changed to something incredibly offensive to Pat and ChiToes within 24 hours
Title: Re: A Reasonably Accurate and Respectful Title
Post by: Krakow Sam on November 14, 2014, 05:13:29 pm
You have 24 hours to deliver the gold or you WILL face the consequences.
Title: Re: A Reasonably Accurate and Respectful Title
Post by: Slinky on November 14, 2014, 06:14:22 pm
"You All Have Wet Dreams About Anita and Gamers are Subhuman IV: Pat's Gay Show Us Your Butt"
Title: Re: A Reasonably Accurate and Respectful Title
Post by: Celdur on November 15, 2014, 01:43:48 pm
http://imgur.com/a/K2SwD

reading is fun guys
Title: Re: Slinkygate: The Legend of Pat's Butthole.
Post by: Slinky on November 16, 2014, 09:46:52 am
HOLD UP
Title: Re: Mi Fa So La Ti Do
Post by: PatMan33 on November 16, 2014, 05:17:47 pm
However, what bothers me most is that almost nobody seems self-correcting on any side.

This bugs the hell out of me as well. I make a conscious effort to try to be objective when objectivity is important. So, for GamerGate I've been trying my very hardest to not get too pulled into the pro-GG side, such that I actively look out critiques of the people I am following and trying to hear the arguments against them as well. This way I can temper my own opinion and hopefully make it better. Plus, as you all have seen, it gives me the ability to update the communities I am a part of as to corrections or outright falsehoods in information we've gotten before.

And the worst thing to come of it (this really pisses me off) is that I've had anti-GG people call me stupid and tell me that I am on the wrong side of the issue... right after they tell me how dumb I am for wasting so much time reading and listening to the amount of information that I read and listen to. Because the real news is happening on Twitter.

*implode*
Title: Re: Slinkygate: The Legend of Pat's Butthole.
Post by: /lurk on November 18, 2014, 05:53:13 pm
EventStatus remains the realest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZghgyQE8_w

Forget all the e-celebs - this is the guy you should be listening to.
Title: Re: Slinkygate: The Legend of Pat's Butthole.
Post by: PatMan33 on November 18, 2014, 06:18:05 pm
<3 Event
Title: Re: Slinkygate: The Legend of Pat's Butthole.
Post by: Tesla on November 18, 2014, 06:39:27 pm
this is the guy you should be listening to.

listen to your heart, listen to the beat, listen to the rhythm, the rhythm of the street
Title: Re: Slinkygate: The Legend of Pat's Butthole.
Post by: Slinky on November 18, 2014, 07:29:56 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/869682f965abc7a55bc2961f2ac41f1a/tumblr_mhiq1aaJhT1qa4wtvo2_1280.png)
Title: Re: Slinkygate: The Legend of Pat's Butthole.
Post by: Celdur on November 23, 2014, 06:59:30 am
http://blogjob.com/oneangrygamer/2014/11/gamergate-ben-kuchera-and-the-life-and-nepotism-of-game-journo-pros/

this is a good article
Title: Re: Slinkygate: The Legend of Pat's Butthole.
Post by: Gauphastus on November 24, 2014, 05:15:21 pm
That gamergate wikipedia article sounds like it's getting more and more depressing all the time.
I don't go there. I just hear these ridiculous highlights.

Quote from: from ****ing wikipedia
While many supporters of the self-described Gamergate movement say that they are concerned about ethical issues in video game journalism, the overwhelming majority of commentators have said that the movement is rooted in a culture war against women and the diversification of gaming culture.

THAT IS
BECAUSE
THE "COMMENTATORS"
ARE THE ONES
WHO ARE CORRUPT
OR MISLED
BY THE CORRUPT

THEY HAVE
A VESTED INTEREST
IN DISMISSING
THIS MOVEMENT
inhale

YOU
COMPLETE
MORONS

everyone involved in this is so dumb
so dumb
Title: Re: Slinkygate: The Legend of Pat's Butthole.
Post by: PatMan33 on November 24, 2014, 05:16:24 pm
TBTAWOB

TAIT

YCM

I read you loud and clear, Gauph. ;)
Title: Re: Slinkygate: The Legend of Pat's Butthole.
Post by: Gauphastus on November 24, 2014, 05:23:41 pm
now you know the password
but youll have to read next months issue to find out where to use it

also have this
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3PePvhCIAEv4B3.png:large)

im gonna go drive a forklift for eight hours now
Title: Re: Slinkygate: The Legend of Pat's Butthole.
Post by: PatMan33 on November 24, 2014, 06:16:36 pm
DRIVE MY CHILD

As per the article.... w-wut??
Title: Re: Slinkygate: The Legend of Pat's Butthole.
Post by: PatMan33 on November 25, 2014, 04:09:58 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkWysHoCZRs
Title: Re: Slinkygate: The Legend of Pat's Butthole.
Post by: /lurk on November 25, 2014, 05:56:10 pm
<3 Event.
Title: Re: Slinkygate: The Legend of Pat's Butthole.
Post by: PatMan33 on November 25, 2014, 06:05:41 pm
He's so cash.
Title: Re: Slinkygate: The Legend of Pat's Butthole.
Post by: Inkling on November 25, 2014, 07:16:14 pm
He mad.

But then he got some Ghost in the Shell to make him happy again.
Title: Re: Slinkygate: The Legend of Pat's Butthole.
Post by: PatMan33 on November 25, 2014, 07:19:09 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEKbFMvkLIc
Title: Re: Slinkygate: The Legend of Pat's Butthole.
Post by: Inkling on November 25, 2014, 07:30:53 pm
Pat are you trying to distract me with Reel Big Fish?  Because that will work.
Title: Re: Slinkygate: The Legend of Pat's Butthole.
Post by: PatMan33 on November 30, 2014, 06:15:41 pm
<3 Jim (http://vocaroo.com/i/s1p1NnKWYTlr)

I agree with a lot of this. Around the time that Sarkeesian got on Colbert, I started tuning out because it all started sounding like I was on Twitter with a bunch of kids being led by people looking for some cash.
Title: Re: Slinkygate: The Legend of Pat's Butthole.
Post by: Celdur on December 01, 2014, 09:56:08 am
<3 Jim (http://vocaroo.com/i/s1p1NnKWYTlr)

I agree with a lot of this. Around the time that Sarkeesian got on Colbert, I started tuning out because it all started sounding like I was on Twitter with a bunch of kids being led by people looking for some cash.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxThMYb66WA
Title: Re: Slinkygate: The Legend of Pat's Butthole.
Post by: PatMan33 on December 01, 2014, 05:26:23 pm
I've stopped paying much attention to Sargon. All he ever talks about is how much feminists suck. I want more variety from my entertainers. :U
Title: Re: Slinkygate: The Legend of Pat's Butthole.
Post by: Slinky on December 01, 2014, 08:08:47 pm
green lantern
Title: Re: Slinkygate: The Legend of Pat's Butthole.
Post by: Inkling on December 01, 2014, 10:37:48 pm
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/Not_Inkling/DelightedLuthor.jpg)
Title: Re: Massive Gainz-Gate: 50 eggs unbelievably hench edition.
Post by: PatMan33 on December 02, 2014, 06:31:45 am
Just do what I do.

There is no game industry. There are simply the games I (or you) like. It's real easy to get behind Nintendo. Their worst flaws are region locking and too many good games.

Oh hey, how are you guys liking that Shadow of Mordor game? I want to play it but I need to hear that it doesn't completely bungle the canon before I put money down.
Title: Re: Massive Gainz-Gate: 50 eggs unbelievably hench edition.
Post by: /lurk on December 02, 2014, 07:18:45 am
If you're such a gigantic casual that you're into asscreeds you'll probably like it. It's got all the "press space to never die" and "hey check out this button prompt you can totally counter that guy's attack and kill him instantly you know when you feel like it just press right click you can take your time it's cool" that you'd be familiar with if you were a huge pleb.

In my mind "a better bamham/asscreed" is a brutal condemnation but that's what you get. Of course it ****s on the lore.



In other news, just 29 days to #stopgamergate2014
Title: Re: Massive Gainz-Gate: 50 eggs unbelievably hench edition.
Post by: Celdur on December 02, 2014, 10:08:18 am
so apparantly the FTC is going to change some policies because of all this, that's pretty great.
Title: Re: Massive Gainz-Gate: 50 eggs unbelievably hench edition.
Post by: PatMan33 on December 02, 2014, 12:23:10 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GB5j_js6yQ4

Mo Revent.
Title: Re: Massive Gainz-Gate: 50 eggs unbelievably hench edition.
Post by: Inkling on December 02, 2014, 04:39:37 pm
Which FTC are we talking about?
Title: Re: Massive Gainz-Gate: 50 eggs unbelievably hench edition.
Post by: Gauphastus on December 02, 2014, 04:54:40 pm
fentucky tried chicken

duh
Title: Re: Massive Gainz-Gate: 50 eggs unbelievably hench edition.
Post by: Celdur on December 02, 2014, 05:37:37 pm
Federal Trade Commission

http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2nz204/important_ftc_update_4_ftc_confirms_that_yes/
Title: Re: Massive Gainz-Gate: 50 eggs unbelievably hench edition.
Post by: PatMan33 on December 05, 2014, 07:09:03 pm
Jack Thompson.
Title: Re: Massive Gainz-Gate: 50 eggs unbelievably hench edition.
Post by: Gauphastus on December 06, 2014, 12:52:36 am
i need to stop checking in on this whole situation
i dont enjoy it anymore
its way too dumb and it is way too depressing
Title: Re: Massive Gainz-Gate: 50 eggs unbelievably hench edition.
Post by: PatMan33 on December 06, 2014, 03:54:08 am
If it's any consolation, these jerks will more than likely fade into obscurity over the next year or two. They're burning their careers out by continuing to employ this malarkey and it will catch up with them.
Title: Re: Massive Gainz-Gate: 50 eggs unbelievably hench edition.
Post by: PatMan33 on December 06, 2014, 04:02:23 am
Also did they really go full retard and suggest Gamers+?

They did see Atheism+, right? These people realize they are literally retreading the failed policies of t... nevermind. These people.
Title: Re: Nog-gate: Christmasogeny in vidya
Post by: Celdur on December 06, 2014, 08:59:18 am
I'm pretty sure they still see atheism+ as a success.
Title: Re: Nog-gate: Christmasogeny in vidya
Post by: Inkling on December 06, 2014, 10:25:02 am
I only barely know what we're talking about.  What happened recently, or is it just depressing in general?
Title: Re: Nog-gate: Christmasogeny in vidya
Post by: PatMan33 on December 08, 2014, 03:01:46 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6tD_RxtoY0

I love Thunderfoot. I love Anita Sarkeesian. But I love Jack Thompson the most. :-*
Title: Re: Nog-gate: Christmasogeny in vidya
Post by: PatMan33 on December 09, 2014, 02:07:27 pm
Mild curiosity. I was reading an article about the Wii U on Polygon and went into the comment section. About four comments in it turns into a discussion/argument about how to get women into gaming and what they naturally can and can't do.

What the **** is wrong with these people??
Title: Re: Nog-gate: Christmasogeny in vidya
Post by: /lurk on December 09, 2014, 02:17:11 pm
Don't give polygon clicks, pat.

You don't need to read "Nintendo should go third party and put all their games on iphones because nintendo direct hurt my feelings and princess peach is sexist."


In fact your life would be enhanced by avoiding it.
Title: Re: Nog-gate: Christmasogeny in vidya
Post by: PatMan33 on December 09, 2014, 02:22:45 pm
:|

What is it today with people telling me things I already know and didn't need to hear. You ****ers think I'm new? Back off.

CRAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWLING INNNNNN MY SKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIN
Title: Re: Nog-gate: Christmasogeny in vidya
Post by: PatMan33 on December 09, 2014, 02:37:15 pm
NOOOO!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hT89d73RM4

This is a new one. He's making more. @_@
Title: Re: Nog-gate: Christmasogeny in vidya
Post by: Celdur on December 10, 2014, 06:34:18 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtRFbsnUX4k

http://store.steampowered.com/curator/4550433-Not-Feminist-Frequency/

hope these two cancel each other out.
Title: Re: Nog-gate: Christmasogeny in vidya
Post by: PatMan33 on December 10, 2014, 06:39:39 am
Hah! That Steam list looks like my library. :U

<3 video games
Title: Re: Nog-gate: Christmasogeny in vidya
Post by: PatMan33 on December 10, 2014, 06:56:03 am
That one woman around the four minute mark is saying she wants to prevent people from threatening other people online so that what happened to her can't happen again.

(http://i.imgur.com/xYsctyw.png)

I mean, yeah sure, I want that too. That sounds nice. But are you serious? That is your angle? You can see how that is entirely unattainable, right? the old method of "don't feed the trolls" seems to work pretty well.

And I feel like all of their arguments depend on most people not understanding video games or the nature of the internet. The worst ****ing part about all of this is that I agree with most of what they are saying about equality and representation. But why the **** did they think going to war with trolls and ignoring the rational people was the right course? They're going to be fighting this forever and it renders them unable to accomplish ANYTHING in the long run. For any short-term gain they make, all the vitriol and confusion undermines any sustainable change for the better because they are making everyone mistrustful of everyone else.

Or is that their plan? To completely **** up the community so that they can rebuild something they want? Because that isn't going to work either. Their followers are some of the most fickle, vulnerable people in our community. They'll move onto something easier to support once they are asked to do any heavy lifting. Meanwhile the dedicated gamers like me will (or already have) completely abandoned mainstream gaming media altogether. Activision, EA, and Ubisoft have literally not gotten a penny of my money in years. I put it all into Nintendo now, they get hundreds, if not thousands of dollars from me annually because they treat me like a person. That is literally all I want. And if you can't do that, there's lots of other games for me to play.

Gamers need to grow some grit and shut these companies out if they are going to support people with an agenda that includes killing part of the community. As for GamerGate, Jim was still right. What GG needs to do is discontinue the email campaign against Gawker and those guys, and instead focus that power onto sending feedback to developers and asking for the games they want. I don't want to play some compromised "man with boobs" bull****. Just make a game and make it good.
Title: Re: Nog-gate: Christmasogeny in vidya
Post by: /lurk on December 10, 2014, 08:48:36 am
You don't have to tell me not to give EA money. You ****ers think I'm new? Back off. <3


But I disagree with you about stopping emails. Those websites have to burn to the ground. They're unforgivable and the problems that the games industry does have will be easier to solve with journalists actually on the side of the consumer.
Title: Re: Nog-gate: Christmasogeny in vidya
Post by: Inkling on December 10, 2014, 03:06:17 pm
I don't see why actual journalism, or at least better journalism, would necessarily rise out of the ashes of those sites, though.  There's a reason hack writing, clickbait titles, and shoehorned ideology are everywhere.  It works.  It's the same as reality tv, the lowest common denominator generates ad money.
Title: Re: Nog-gate: Christmasogeny in vidya
Post by: PatMan33 on December 10, 2014, 05:06:03 pm
Gamers have and have had the power to go around the media and deal with the developers directly. But they don't because... it's easier to have someone else do it?

Come on, if we refocused this email campaign into a means of communicating with developers and cutting corrupt media out, the developers would be receptive. They can't voice their grievances with games media because it impacts their bottom line. The solution is straightforward enough: we cut the middleman out and deal directly with the developers.

Look at the success Jim Sterling has had. These covens of "journalists" are rapidly becoming a thing of the past as gamers start doing it themselves. They saw an ally in Sarkeesian because she could help keep them relevant. But Sarkeesian is only relevant because of them... and they are only relevant because of her... and both of them are still alive and owe everything they have to the gamers they are ridiculing. So **** them. If we really want to make games journalism obsolete like many of us keep claiming, well, treat them like they are obsolete. I haven't needed them for almost five years and generally have a better idea about what is going on and which games are progressing along.
Title: Re: Nog-gate: Christmasogeny in vidya
Post by: /lurk on December 10, 2014, 05:21:42 pm
Don't say Jim Stirling taking patreonbucks from suckers is a good thing. He's as bad as the rest.

"It's not bad when my buddies do it" from a self-styled consumer advocate is just ****ing insulting.
Title: Re: Nog-gate: Christmasogeny in vidya
Post by: PatMan33 on December 10, 2014, 05:28:38 pm
I can't blame him. He left the big company he was with, went out on his own, and found a fan base. Big ****ing deal.

Anyone can do it! Maybe they should. If everyone was independent it'd be way easier to ignore the ****heads and allow the cream to rise to the top. And if there is someone you don't like, suddenly it's just one guy rather than a media organization backed by corporate funbucks. Say what you want about Jim Sterling, but he's taken control of his destiny and his model is one I am fine with. It's not my money, I don't care if he isn't accountable with it. If I don't like him, I ignore him.

But Patreon money is fine when it's not a game reviewer giving money to a game developer. His arrangement doesn't have a conflict of interest, it's just Patreon as far as I understand it.
Title: Re: ♫ Good King Gamergate game game, game game game game gaaame-game. ♫
Post by: Slinky on December 19, 2014, 01:13:27 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B5L1CR0CEAEN78C.jpg:large)

wikipedia...................................................................shill
Title: Re: ♫ Good King Gamergate game game, game game game game gaaame-game. ♫
Post by: /lurk on December 19, 2014, 01:34:11 pm
Does Jimbo really think "gamergate r jerks" is an appropriate response to "your website is run by crooked morons you are complicit in deleting evidence of it"?

It doesn't matter who gamergate even are as far as he's concerned; his problem is that wikipedia is all ****ed up. But no, he'd rather talk **** than do anything about it.
Title: Re: ♫ Good King Gamergate game game, game game game game gaaame-game. ♫
Post by: Krakow Sam on December 19, 2014, 03:29:21 pm
Jimmy's right nerds, suck it up. Gamgergate brought this negative attention on itself by conducting itself as a disorganised mob instead of an actual movement.
Title: Re: ♫ Good King Gamergate game game, game game game game gaaame-game. ♫
Post by: Slinky on December 19, 2014, 03:35:56 pm
Yeah I don't usually have opinions but I'm with Jimmy here.
Title: Re: ♫ Good King Gamergate game game, game game game game gaaame-game. ♫
Post by: /lurk on December 19, 2014, 04:26:40 pm
So now there are two people in this thread and one guy on wikipedia who actually believe what they read on Kotaku. Great.

The "harassment of women" story is a concious deflection by journalists and their buddies to distract everyone and discredit the people who were calling them out, and you fell for it.



That's the power of media control I guess, even if it's a stupid kind of media like videogame websites: you get to decide what's real and people will believe it uncritically unless they already know you're talking bollocks.
Title: Re: ♫ Good King Gamergate game game, game game game game gaaame-game. ♫
Post by: Inkling on December 19, 2014, 04:39:34 pm
I'm still helping by not reading any game news sites period, right?
Title: Re: ♫ Good King Gamergate game game, game game game game gaaame-game. ♫
Post by: /lurk on December 19, 2014, 04:41:42 pm
If only everyone could follow your example.

You are my hero, Ink.
Title: Re: ♫ Good King Gamergate game game, game game game game gaaame-game. ♫
Post by: Krakow Sam on December 19, 2014, 04:58:39 pm
I don't read Kotaku, I don't really care about games any more, and all this gamergate dumbery isn't really helping me to keep caring.
Title: Re: ♫ Good King Gamergate game game, game game game game gaaame-game. ♫
Post by: PatMan33 on December 19, 2014, 07:40:04 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOReAgCv-XU

Lurk I loved your post.
Title: Re: ♫ Good King Gamergate game game, game game game game gaaame-game. ♫
Post by: Slinky on December 19, 2014, 08:18:18 pm
Sorry, meant I don't usually have strong opinions.

By the way that's a really good movie.
Title: Re: ♫ Good King Gamergate game game, game game game game gaaame-game. ♫
Post by: Person21 on December 20, 2014, 08:02:44 am
That email sounds fake as hell
Title: Re: ♫ Good King Gamergate game game, game game game game gaaame-game. ♫
Post by: PatMan33 on December 20, 2014, 09:33:46 am
Death to the non-believers.
Title: Re: ♫ Good King Gamergate game game, game game game game gaaame-game. ♫
Post by: PatMan33 on December 20, 2014, 09:39:04 am
Speaking of death to the infidels, what the hell is up with people complaining and/or being worried about Nintendo saying they're working on their next console?

This is not news. Every company does this. The Wii U is complete and out in the marketplace so it's time to start working on the next one. Why is games journalism suddenly rediscovering the console cycle and stirring the pot? They're doing the same thing with the whole "things look bleak for the future of last-gen consoles" stuff.

WHAT IS HAPPENING!?!??!?! :UUUU
Title: Re: ♫ Good King Gamergate game game, game game game game gaaame-game. ♫
Post by: /lurk on December 20, 2014, 11:28:09 am
WHAT IS HAPPENING!?!??!?! :UUUU

Game journos are being clickbaiting morons as usual. Did you forget how Nintendo has been doomed and about to go third party any day now for the last 25 years?
Title: Re: ♫ Good King Gamergate game game, game game game game gaaame-game. ♫
Post by: eropS on December 20, 2014, 05:13:50 pm
If you don't care about games any more why involve yourself in the discussion?
Title: Re: ♫ Good King Gamergate game game, game game game game gaaame-game. ♫
Post by: Inkling on December 20, 2014, 06:53:10 pm
Because he's a mod and it's his job to screw with you.
Title: Re: ♫ Good King Gamergate game game, game game game game gaaame-game. ♫
Post by: eropS on December 20, 2014, 09:20:57 pm
I mean I'm not offended by his comments or hijinks, I just found that last point of his interesting
Title: Re: ♫ Good King Gamergate game game, game game game game gaaame-game. ♫
Post by: PatMan33 on December 21, 2014, 08:25:24 pm
SCOOBITY BOP
Title: Re: ♫ Good King Gamergate game game, game game game game gaaame-game. ♫
Post by: Slinky on December 21, 2014, 08:45:12 pm
ZOINKS
Title: Re: ♫ Good King Gamergate game game, game game game game gaaame-game. ♫
Post by: PatMan33 on December 21, 2014, 08:46:45 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsE1oA7SSwE

As soon as the title appeared all I could do was mumble "oh no" to myself. :U

#lurk
Title: Re: ♫ Good King Gamergate game game, game game game game gaaame-game. ♫
Post by: /lurk on December 23, 2014, 07:43:34 am
#buy a razor you hipster-looking ****

Not nearly toxic and misogynistic enough for my tastes. I prefer KKK/ISIS/Ebola-chan fun-club members like Total Biscuit.
Title: Re: ♫ Good King Gamergate game game, game game game game gaaame-game. ♫
Post by: Slinky on December 23, 2014, 12:08:16 pm
we did cover Brianna Wu being awful right?
Title: Re: ♫ Good King Gamergate game game, game game game game gaaame-game. ♫
Post by: /lurk on December 23, 2014, 05:37:04 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTWx0oSIi1Q

Event did.

I want to kiss this guy but he wouldn't be into that.
Title: Re: ♫ Good King Gamergate game game, game game game game gaaame-game. ♫
Post by: Inkling on December 23, 2014, 05:52:58 pm
So the only reason she gives for a patreon account is so she can hire a twitter ghostwriter?
Title: Re: ♫ Good King Gamergate game game, game game game game gaaame-game. ♫
Post by: PatMan33 on December 23, 2014, 07:03:57 pm
Lurk he would hold you in his strong arms and tongue the **** out of your throat.
Title: Re: ♫ Good King Gamergate game game, game game game game gaaame-game. ♫
Post by: Celdur on December 24, 2014, 12:19:09 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wy9bisUIP3w
video games
Title: Re: Gamergate: Now dragging on into its second insufferable year
Post by: PatMan33 on January 06, 2015, 07:14:46 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/LK0oO1E.jpg)

So... yeah.

I can't wait for the Patreon bubble to burst. These people are going to lose their goddamn minds when nobody re-ups their subscriptions. And not just these charlatans, the gamejournos that bailed out and went independent are drawing from the same well. And really, why does Brianna Wu need all this money anyway? In her own words: "When I was 20, my parents handed me $200,000 to start an animation business. I learned more from that experience than anything in college." (https://twitter.com/spacekatgal/status/422793818749288448)

Come on gamers!! Really?? It's.... so.... obvious!!! She's taking advantage of the situation.

Another troubling thing I've seen with lots of gamers. They don't read anything. At all. You get in a debate with someone about a game and they demand you give them a good argument, then they refuse to read said argument because it's too many words. Are you kidding me?? What the actual **** is wrong with people? That's part of the reason why these fast-talking liars can get ahead. They depend on idiots to skim through and not think about what is being written. Most of these Patreon proposals are barely even edited, let alone professional-sounding. Why would you put your money there? It's not even a GamerGate thing, it's a common sense thing. The most meaningful thing these morons have created is controversy.
Title: Re: Gamergate: Now dragging on into its second insufferable year
Post by: PatMan33 on January 06, 2015, 08:54:27 pm
:D

I've resumed my usual "ignore mainstream gaming press" and things have been more manageable again.

But there's still this innate rage I have toward people manipulating my fellow gamers for profit and fame. These are the same kind of people that make my life so ****ing miserable in the real world because while I'm trying to do the right thing and be nice and charitable (despite having almost nothing), they are monsters and are able to live it up. And I can't force myself to be the kind of evil that takes money from idiots, that's just not right. It's an existential crisis for me and revolves around more than just gaming.

How do good people get ahead? I've got lots of friends and people speak highly of me, but it doesn't get me a raise at work. It doesn't solve the problem I have with having to choose between car insurance or health insurance. It doesn't ease the pain in seeing the worst people I've ever met in my life finding success and fame by being the same terrible people they were back in grade school and college. And it's not that I want fame or to be someone... but I bust my ass over 40 hours a week, do my very best to save my money and plan ahead, and yet I can still barely make ends meet.

And these monsters, these barely-human villains get handed everything they want as tribute for walking all over and manipulating others. That is the core of my depression and GamerGate tapped into that. Bad people get ahead. Following the rules and trying to be a person seems to put you at a disadvantage. And I refuse to change, I don't want to be that kind of person. But that doesn't make it hurt any less to see these liars (and they aren't even good at it!!) profit off of bull****.

Then I see the younger generations who are just waking up to the larger world around them and I see them saying things like "well I'd also do whatever I could to get my game to sell!" or "who cares if you bend the truth if it works out well for you in the end?" They are seeing this awful, unethical behavior and not recognizing it for what it is. It's just the way you find success.

I want to cry sometimes. :(
Title: Re: Gamergate: Now dragging on into its second insufferable year
Post by: Inkling on January 06, 2015, 09:11:30 pm
13 Thousand dollars.  A month.

How in the flying **** does that make any sense?  First of all, how is she pulling in 10,000 more a month than the people who were actually involved in this trainwreck?  I would guess that Quinn has been actually laying low, but here she is asking for money and is getting not a small amount herself.  Is Wu really that good at getting attention?  I kinda gathered that she was a professional attention whore from the first story about her since she had nothing to do with this until she started screaming on twitter and playing the victim card as hard as possible.  But I didn't know being a professional victim and attention whore payed this well.

Guys, we're smart, we're creative, right?  Maybe we should just abandon all integrity and sense of shame and come up with a way to siphon money off of suckers on the internet.  It doesn't seem to be that hard!

I guess there's some items you shouldn't look into after farting around all afternoon on job sites, a year and a half into looking for a job you actually want.  I think I went and gave myself a headache.

(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/Not_Inkling/christmas_vacation_mac_plus-1.jpg)

Halleluiah!  Holy ****!  Where's the tylenol?
Title: Re: Gamergate: Now dragging on into its second insufferable year
Post by: PatMan33 on January 06, 2015, 09:18:16 pm
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/Not_Inkling/christmas_vacation_mac_plus-1.jpg)

Halleluiah!  Holy ****!  Where's the tylenol?

:)

Perfect.

Yeah you wanna see some crazy? Here's Wu's Patreon. (http://www.patreon.com/user?u=439829)

And here's the core of the pitch:

Quote from: Brianna Wu's Patreon
Here's where you come in: If you appreciate what I do, please chip in so I can hire some help with the Women in Tech advocacy I do. I need someone to help me with the medial parts of dealing with my attackers so I can focus on my work, making and shipping games. I imagine we'll also have them work on women in tech advocacy.

13 large per month so she can get someone to run her Twitter for her so she can "get back to making games".
Title: Re: ♫ Good King Gamergate game game, game game game game gaaame-game. ♫
Post by: Inkling on January 06, 2015, 09:28:56 pm
Yep.

So the only reason she gives for a patreon account is so she can hire a twitter ghostwriter?

I really don't get how she would be this much better at fundraising.  Are we watching some very public form of embezzlement or something?

Also her game looks like crap.  Like, Reboot and a Bratz doll had a baby and no one told the poor thing what decade it was.
Title: Re: Gamergate: Now dragging on into its second insufferable year
Post by: Krakow Sam on January 07, 2015, 03:17:51 am
p.s. Otherization is my new favorite non-word.

You don't seem to be doing a very good job of that since you characterise anyone who doesn't agree that gamergate is about ethics or whatever is ignorant, stupid and probably intentionally believing falsehoods in order to be malicious.
Title: Re: Gamergate: Now dragging on into its second insufferable year
Post by: Tesla on January 07, 2015, 04:55:41 am
:D

I've resumed my usual "ignore mainstream gaming press" and things have been more manageable again.

But there's still this innate rage I have toward people manipulating my fellow gamers for profit and fame. These are the same kind of people that make my life so ****ing miserable in the real world because while I'm trying to do the right thing and be nice and charitable (despite having almost nothing), they are monsters and are able to live it up. And I can't force myself to be the kind of evil that takes money from idiots, that's just not right. It's an existential crisis for me and revolves around more than just gaming.

How do good people get ahead? I've got lots of friends and people speak highly of me, but it doesn't get me a raise at work. It doesn't solve the problem I have with having to choose between car insurance or health insurance. It doesn't ease the pain in seeing the worst people I've ever met in my life finding success and fame by being the same terrible people they were back in grade school and college. And it's not that I want fame or to be someone... but I bust my ass over 40 hours a week, do my very best to save my money and plan ahead, and yet I can still barely make ends meet.

And these monsters, these barely-human villains get handed everything they want as tribute for walking all over and manipulating others. That is the core of my depression and GamerGate tapped into that. Bad people get ahead. Following the rules and trying to be a person seems to put you at a disadvantage. And I refuse to change, I don't want to be that kind of person. But that doesn't make it hurt any less to see these liars (and they aren't even good at it!!) profit off of bull****.

Then I see the younger generations who are just waking up to the larger world around them and I see them saying things like "well I'd also do whatever I could to get my game to sell!" or "who cares if you bend the truth if it works out well for you in the end?" They are seeing this awful, unethical behavior and not recognizing it for what it is. It's just the way you find success.

I want to cry sometimes. :(

Jesus Pat, you expect me to read all that?
Title: Re: Gamergate: Now dragging on into its second insufferable year
Post by: Brandonazz on January 07, 2015, 10:56:45 am
Quote from: Brianna Wu's Patreon
Here's where you come in: If you appreciate what I do, please chip in so I can hire some help with the Women in Tech advocacy I do. I need someone to help me with the medial parts of dealing with my attackers so I can focus on my work, making and shipping games. I imagine we'll also have them work on women in tech advocacy.

I gagged when I got to that line in her page. The way the world works is infuriating.
Title: Re: Gamergate: Now dragging on into its second insufferable year
Post by: Slinky on January 07, 2015, 11:09:28 am
p.s. Otherization is my new favorite non-word.

You don't seem to be doing a very good job of that since you characterise anyone who doesn't agree that gamergate is about ethics or whatever is ignorant, stupid and probably intentionally believing falsehoods in order to be malicious.

Krakow Sam is spittin' straight truth.
Title: Re: Gamergate: Now dragging on into its second insufferable year
Post by: Krakow Sam on January 07, 2015, 11:23:29 am
*Greased mic tumbles comically out of my clumsy hands*
Title: Re: Gamergate: Now dragging on into its second insufferable year
Post by: Krakow Sam on January 07, 2015, 12:29:16 pm
p.s. Otherization is my new favorite non-word.

You don't seem to be doing a very good job of that since you characterise anyone who doesn't agree that gamergate is about ethics or whatever is ignorant, stupid and probably intentionally believing falsehoods in order to be malicious.

I disagree.  For me, it is not about agreeing lockstep with whatever my side may be, but acknowledging what has been presented without discounting whatever doesn't fit a position.  This does not dehumanize other people as an outgroup, aka otherize them.  Insisting gategate is about one thing and refusing to even discuss what someone else thinks it is about, either independently or in the context of gamergate, is controlling not communicating.  Gamers will discuss harassment.  Anti-Gamers won't discuss ethics in journalism.  Doesn't that give you pause?

I am also not inclined to believe the core issue is ethics in journalism anymore.  I think it is probably social bullying.  Nerds et al tend to have interests that are not socially mainstream, like science, skepticism, atheism, comic books, horror-scifi-fantasy movies, and gaming.  All of these interests have been denigrated and besieged in recent years by both the media and by social justice groups.  It is not odd at all that the interests and communities of social outliers are seen as easy and acceptable targets for the social mainstream, the media and social opportunists.

Nerds et al have made it clear over the last decades that they can succeed outside the social rank and file.  In doing this they have demonstrated they can influence and change society, even when they are being dismissed.  This is a threat to the popular and beautiful people and others relying on people "knowing their place".

So, you could say, ChiToes believes that gamergate is a bit like highschool all over again.  You've got your popular people (media and media darlings) dismissing the unpopular people (gamers and whoever) and being offended when they don't just disappear.  That would make all the ethics in journalism stuff a symptom of the problem, and not the problem itself.

Even when trying to rebut my point you do it using the narrative of a popular mainstream trying to denigrate and abuse the group you identify with (i.e. nerds/geeks).

Its all pointless anyway. Gamergate can't accomplish anything or be held accountable for anything or even be defined one way or another because it isn't actually an organisation or a movement, its a social media tag. So Gamergate is just a million people talking at cross purposes, with the occasional trolls or people with genuine mental problems seasoning the stew. Say what you like about the "anti-gamergate" people, they can at least pull together in one direction.
Title: Re: Gamergate: Now dragging on into its second insufferable year
Post by: Slinky on January 07, 2015, 12:37:57 pm
As a person in high school who is one of those friends-with-everyone drifter types, I can say that most of the unpopular people I hang out with, the geeks, the gamers, the druggies, what-have-you are unpopular because they are not likable people, and most of the popular people are nice, personable, fairly smart people who simply dislike the unpopular people. The unpopular people see the popular people with hatred because they associate the entire popular crowd with the one bitchy alpha girl or the jerk rich boy, and feel generally victimized. Which isn't to say that a lot of them aren't fine, nice people, but they tend not to understand that you can't be greasy and wear trenchcoats and think everyone else is stupid, or you're going to be disliked.

What needs to happen here, honestly, is that everyone needs to graduate and grow up. Outside of high school, there is no hierarchy, and nerd interests aren't even seen as that silly. People like superhero movies and videogames and science.

Chitoes, you sound a bit like Goob to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTdnIUe9TXM


Title: Re: Gamergate: Now dragging on into its second insufferable year
Post by: PatMan33 on January 07, 2015, 01:10:04 pm
Gamers will discuss harassment.  Anti-Gamers won't discuss ethics in journalism.  Doesn't that give you pause?

This is really important to me. This specific point.

In GamerGate I can't fathom why so many people are so willing to tell me what I believe, despite having clearly stated my thoughts. This is about ethics in games journalism for me, any one of you know that is the goddamn truth. It's been my cross for years. And yet rather than engaging with me, a fairly reasonable voice, I am continuously told that I hate women and that I am a bad person. That's what makes me so angry about GamerGate in particular.


When I write my opinion I get told that it's not good enough, I need more details. Fine. That is a reasonable point.

When I write out more details and give examples I get told that I'm crazy and who is going to read all that anyway you need to make it shorter. What??

And god forbid you try to meet any of these people half way. They aren't in it for compromise or discussion, they have an agenda and they will accept nothing less than their agenda. You give them an inch and they call you a misogynist.


All the while my so-called opponents go on and on about how tolerant they are while smearing any reasonable person and making them out to be a nut. This is classic diversion. They don't even hide it. And the worst ****ing part, the absolute worst thing about it is that they don't have to hide it. I take time and care into crafting an argument that is not offensive, attempts to be reasonable and objective, and includes citations upon citations. "Only a conspiracy nut would bother to look that deep into it." And then I get ignored.

Meanwhile the people spouting off barely-coherent rants on Twitter and Facebook are being given time on television media where they get to say whatever they want, no sources or anything, and they are believed. Am I living in the Twilight Zone or something? It's insane. These liars depend on their people being unwilling to do the research or follow ups. Do I have to post this ****ing video again?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbihPTgAql4

This is the caliber of argument that is being accepted without question. Research and accuracy are literally being laughed at by some members of our hobby. A whole generation of gamers that are being tainted by this manipulative garbage. It's just another form of anti-intellectualism.

GamerGate is just another evolution of this same problem we've faced in our hobby for years. People are trying to co-opt it for a buck. It's not about the games and it definitely isn't about equality for women. And you know, if they actually read what I wrote, they'd see I agree with most of their points. My gripe is with the cognitive dissonance and willful misunderstanding of events.
Title: Re: Gamergate: Now dragging on into its second insufferable year
Post by: Slinky on January 07, 2015, 02:03:13 pm
Goob is the name of the character in that Youtube video in my post. Sorry Chitoes! I like you!

Also I'm telling you, these days half the nerds are druggies. I'm talking about those marijuana enthusiast types. And seriously, in my experience, most of the popular people regard the nerdy kids with a sort of quiet disdain, and most of the nerdy kids are like, "God, I ****ing hate jocks and preps, I wanna shoot up this school."

Not really relevant to your point but I thought I should bring it up. And I've been on both ends, I've been severely bullied for being weird and also been one of the coolest guys at a school. I switch schools a lot. So yeah.
Title: Re: Gamergate: Now dragging on into its second insufferable year
Post by: PatMan33 on January 07, 2015, 02:15:47 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbuWitU747Q

Event Status recommended this to me.
Title: Re: Gamergate: Now dragging on into its second insufferable year
Post by: Slinky on January 07, 2015, 02:19:13 pm
In the world I grew up in, the one global descriptor of nerd revolved around valuing education and thinking, as such nerds were the one group almost guaranteed not to be involved with drugs.  Nerd seems to mean something else these days... thanks evil Hardwick guy!  :P

Of course, most nerds didn't self-identify with the label 'nerd' either... just like in the beginning of RotN.

Yeah it's just sort of synonymous with weird tumblr types now. If you don't shower much, you have a disposition for inappropriately formal clothing, and you're really into anime, you're a bit of a nerd.

The kid with the bowl cut and Hawaiian shirts is also one you see a lot. He thinks everyone is inferior.
Title: Re: Gamergate: Now dragging on into its second insufferable year
Post by: PatMan33 on January 07, 2015, 02:21:54 pm
Maybe these Twitter ****s need to stop generalizing and stereotyping people. They always go on about how they are above those things, don't they? >:(
Title: Re: Gamergate: Now dragging on into its second insufferable year
Post by: Slinky on January 07, 2015, 02:29:08 pm
Twitter is kinda...yknow...yeah I personally dislike Twitter.
Title: Re: Gamergate: Now dragging on into its second insufferable year
Post by: Slinky on January 07, 2015, 02:43:00 pm
Yeah sarcasm is terrible and I hate it so much.
Title: Re: Gamergate: Now dragging on into its second insufferable year
Post by: PatMan33 on January 07, 2015, 02:45:51 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSy5mEcmgwU

But seriously watch that video I posted. It's good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbuWitU747Q

Event Status recommended this to me.
Title: Re: Gamergate: Now dragging on into its second insufferable year
Post by: Krakow Sam on January 07, 2015, 02:57:50 pm
generalizing and stereotyping is easy.  education and critical thinking is hard.  tldr is the fault of the arrogance of the writer, not the sloth of the reader.  Lazy anti-intellectual society FTW!  ::)

sorry for the turn to sarcasm half way through that... sarcasm is bad, m'kay?  too often it is 'not got' in lazy anti-intellectual society FTW!  :o

(http://i.imgur.com/7oieb2m.jpg)

Sorry we can't all be as evolved as you dude.
Title: Re: Gamergate: Now dragging on into its second insufferable year
Post by: Slinky on January 07, 2015, 03:23:47 pm
I am sorry, Sam... but I am forced to pity you for this recurrent display.

But he's attacking you for acting more evolved than him. I thought you said sarcasm was bad.
Title: Re: Gamergate: Now dragging on into its second insufferable year
Post by: Krakow Sam on January 07, 2015, 03:50:20 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/CHsy51W.png)

The long awaited return.
Title: Re: Gamergate: Now dragging on into its second insufferable year
Post by: Celdur on January 07, 2015, 05:33:38 pm
Genuinely curious here, do you have some form of autism? Or are you just having a giggle?
Title: Re: Gamergate: Now dragging on into its second insufferable year
Post by: Slinky on January 07, 2015, 06:00:45 pm
Celdur come on.
Title: Re: Gamergate: Now dragging on into its second insufferable year
Post by: Celdur on January 07, 2015, 06:04:29 pm
Not trying to insult him, just trying to understand why he's being like this.
Title: Re: Gamergate: Now dragging on into its second insufferable year
Post by: PatMan33 on January 07, 2015, 08:18:30 pm
I am with ChiToes on this one.

The man may not have the exact presentation or writing style you like, but the content of his posts is pretty straightforward. I see Sam and Slinky being standoffish toward just about everything ChiToes is posting. If you disagree with him, fine; but you are responding to his serious posts and questions with jokes and jabs and taking up arms when he is rightfully frustrated at your unwillingness to engage him in conversation. Frankly I've seen Sam pushing the topic off track since the very start, even down to the topic title.

Some of us are here to have a serious discussion about this stuff. I don't want to make it personal, but come on. At least let us have the discussion. If you disagree, tell us why in a reasonable manner. The anxiety is coming from the lack of equal engagement.
Title: Re: Gamergate: Now dragging on into its second insufferable year
Post by: eropS on January 07, 2015, 11:09:43 pm
This is my favorite topic since hydro games.


How there are people that disagree with the core of gamersgate is beyond me, curbing the practice of shady media is a good cause. The vitriol from both sides is astounding but  is really just noise imo.
Title: Re: Gamergate: Now dragging on into its second insufferable year
Post by: Person21 on January 08, 2015, 02:12:04 am
Today from Slinky and ChiToes I learnt that American high schools really are just like my 80s teenage movies.
Title: Re: Gamergate: Now dragging on into its second insufferable year
Post by: Celdur on January 08, 2015, 06:33:41 am
I am with ChiToes on this one.

The man may not have the exact presentation or writing style you like, but the content of his posts is pretty straightforward. I see Sam and Slinky being standoffish toward just about everything ChiToes is posting. If you disagree with him, fine; but you are responding to his serious posts and questions with jokes and jabs and taking up arms when he is rightfully frustrated at your unwillingness to engage him in conversation. Frankly I've seen Sam pushing the topic off track since the very start, even down to the topic title.

Some of us are here to have a serious discussion about this stuff. I don't want to make it personal, but come on. At least let us have the discussion. If you disagree, tell us why in a reasonable manner. The anxiety is coming from the lack of equal engagement.

Well it does have to come from both sides. Sam is an unreasonable **** about gamergate a lot of the time for reasons I still don't quite understand, but you can't expect anyone to take you seriously when you talk like you're a ****ing webcomic strawman. Talking like that isn't going to convince anyone, if anything it would convince Sam that his assumptions of what GG is will be proven right to him.

And to be on topic. Patreon has the same problems as kickstarter, in that people are going to exploit it for free money, and people are going to fall for it.
I don't think the service itself is terrible. It helps some people to dedicate themselves to stuff people want to see, without needing to have a job on the side.
I just wish they would look more closely to see where the money went, but that's not going to happen since they get 10% or whatever so it's all fine for them.
Title: Re: Gamergate: Now dragging on into its second insufferable year
Post by: PatMan33 on January 08, 2015, 08:41:26 am
Agreed! With both parts. My hope is that since we're all kinda friends or whatever, that we can force ourselves to engage. :D

Patreon. Was talking about this with Ink last night. Remember all the doom and gloom predictions about Kickstarter that kind of came true but really didn't for the most part? Apply those to Patreon. I wouldn't be surprised if some of these Patreon projects start to wobble after only three or four months. There are going to be a lot of younger people learning a very harsh lesson about economics this year. >_>
Title: Re: Gamergate: Now dragging on into its second insufferable year
Post by: Slinky on January 08, 2015, 10:04:46 am
I'm just gonna drop in here and say sorry to Chitoes if I really insulted you, man. I don't really agree with you but you're still making legitimate arguments and not just spewing random **** so they ought to be listened to.
Title: Re: Gamergate: Now dragging on into its second insufferable year
Post by: Krakow Sam on January 08, 2015, 03:40:48 pm
Ok, I'm sorry if I came across as more of an ass than usual, I was just trying to inject some levity into proceedings.

I don't like "gamergate" because everything about it is just a load of self-important hot air. Now before you hit reply and start explaining to me how reviewers are in bed with studios and people are exploiting the controversy to get their bull**** funded on patreon, let me clarify.

I don't think what you guys who participate in this thread believe in, and what the change you'd like to see in the industry is a load of hot air. But the issue is you've hitched your horses to the gamergate wagon and that wagon is loaded down with a Biff-crushing load of horse****. As I've said before in this thread, Gamergate ultimately isn't an organisation, or a movement, or even an ideology. Its a social media tag. Its a massive shouting match between thousands of people who only have intermittent and random access to what other people are saying. Its a directionless, unmoderated, uncontrollable conversation which is being distorted and stirred up by people with totally different agendas, rogue agents and trolls.

So of course the mainstream media gets the wrong idea. Its impossible for anyone to actually take in the whole extent of what exactly "gamergate" is a discussion about, so they look for an easier way to explain it. Since the advocates and game review moguls who comprise the "anti-gamergate" have more access to the media and are generally more savvy about that sort of thing they get to control how the whole fiasco is portrayed.

If you want better ethics in games journalism or for self-described feminist activists to stop gaming controversies to fill their pockets with patreon bitcoins then by all means be the change you want to see. But maybe just leave the whole "Gamergate" thing behind, because being associated with it does you absolutely no favours. It is a massive waste of energy to try and justify it or to try to recast it in a positive light. The damage has been done. It couldn't have been any other way, because its just this mass of angry people clustered around a hashtag, there's no way that could have ever yielded something positive.

(http://i.imgur.com/QlX89q5.gif)
Title: Re: Gamergate: Now dragging on into its second insufferable year
Post by: PatMan33 on January 08, 2015, 03:50:50 pm
If people aren't willing to look deeper than the surface then it doesn't matter what I say to them. They will always have something to say in response and no matter how dumb it is, they will believe it because they believe it. I'm going to keep doing what I have always been doing. Nobody listened to me then, either, so what's the big difference. It just sucks now because I can't even talk about journalistic ethics anymore without someone else bringing up GamerGate.
Title: Re: Gamergate: Now dragging on into its second insufferable year
Post by: PatMan33 on January 08, 2015, 03:54:59 pm
And Anita Sarkeesian and Brianna Wu are going to get away with it, they already have. And nobody will care, and they will be heroes. And then they will disappear and gaming will move on because they added nothing to the hobby. And what's-his-name McIntosh will make a good buck off of undermining equality for women and pushing back progress even further.

If they wanted to push for equality they only needed to talk. Instead they came in and acted belligerent and caused a ****storm and made a great profit. Most young people (gamers) agree with socially liberal policies anyway. Worse, they showed everyone else how to make a buck off of the ill-attentive gamer. We are entering a bad few years for gaming and a lot of gamers are going to get burned. It just upsets me that no major media outlet wants to talk about how obvious a ploy a lot of this crap was. Because it was their friends.

If my friends were doing something wrong to the public I'd report them in a second. Wrong is wrong.
Title: Re: Gamergate: Now dragging on into its second insufferable year
Post by: Krakow Sam on January 08, 2015, 04:25:50 pm
If people aren't willing to look deeper than the surface then it doesn't matter what I say to them.

Right, but the gamergate tag is such a nebulous, chaotic thing that its not obvious where the surface begins and ends. You're pretty invested in the whole deal and you know where you stand so to you its obvious where the truth of the matter lies, if anyone is on the fence then they won't see it in such a clear-cut way.

You could say there's a bad signal to noise ratio but that would be oversimplifying. A lot of the noise is just other signals, which are meaningful to other people trying to make sense out of the debate. From your perspective people are unable to see past the "noise" generated by people trying to make a point about the (pretty undeniable) misogyny of "gamer culture", or harassment on twitter or whatever else. To someone else your points about Brianna Wu are just distracting from the real issue of... privacy or something.
Title: Re: Gamergate: Now dragging on into its second insufferable year
Post by: PatMan33 on January 08, 2015, 04:28:59 pm
Yeah that's definitely true.

I more or less followed InternetAristocrat/Jim out the door with GamerGate. His point is still valid in my eyes, and that point was that too many people were starting to use the movement for profit. *coughcoughmundaneshillcough* :P
Title: Re: Gamergate: Now dragging on into its second insufferable year
Post by: /lurk on January 08, 2015, 08:00:54 pm
If we didn't have a ****storm everyone would just go back to ignoring the problems that have been going on for decades.

Just gotta make as much noise as possible to drown out the megaphones.
Title: Re: Gamergate: Now dragging on into its second insufferable year
Post by: Inkling on January 08, 2015, 09:22:21 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pdWAcK6Eh8

I'M HELPING!
Title: Re: Gamergate: Now dragging on into its second insufferable year
Post by: PatMan33 on January 13, 2015, 05:29:58 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghBhM1OLsPE

SING IT, EVENT!!!
Title: Re: Gamergate: Now dragging on into its second insufferable year
Post by: PatMan33 on January 15, 2015, 10:28:45 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPcL4t3ILMQ

Didn't he just say a few months ago how important it is to have open discussion? Pretty sure Rich was one of those guys crapping on SJWs for closing comment sections. :U
Title: Re: Gamergate: Now dragging on into its second insufferable year
Post by: PatMan33 on January 17, 2015, 12:20:28 pm
Heeey it's Sargon making a decent video again!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMWEg-DdUDg
Title: Re: Gamergate: Now dragging on into its second insufferable year
Post by: Celdur on January 18, 2015, 02:03:19 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsOHrd-Punw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wL2hQpa4EnU

double feature
Title: Re: Gamergate: Now dragging on into its second insufferable year
Post by: Brandonazz on January 18, 2015, 05:47:18 pm
Every time that I'm reminded of how much money that Kardashian game makes each month, I feel ill.
Title: Re: Gamergate: Now dragging on into its second insufferable year
Post by: PatMan33 on January 19, 2015, 04:25:26 pm
bongo bongo bongo i don't want to leave the congo oh no no no no no dun dadun dun
Title: Re: Bongogate: The Drummening
Post by: /lurk on January 21, 2015, 01:14:46 pm
Layoffs at the Escapist and even Moot abandons 4chan.

Penn Jillette smiles this day.
Title: Re: Bongogate: The Drummening
Post by: /lurk on January 21, 2015, 01:51:06 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsHrwlJEvTQ

Event takes out the trash.
Title: Re: Bongogate: The Drummening
Post by: PatMan33 on January 21, 2015, 02:33:44 pm
Moot abandons 4chan.

Anyone that denied some **** was up can leave now. :U
Title: Re: Bongogate: The Drummening
Post by: Krakow Sam on January 21, 2015, 04:25:31 pm
Man would you want to be in charge of 4chan?

Its amazing he stayed in charge as long as he did.
Title: Re: Bongogate: The Drummening
Post by: PatMan33 on January 21, 2015, 05:42:06 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/4PtVbjW.jpg)

Have had this picture since... three computers ago. So, like... a long time. >_>
Title: Re: Bongogate: The Drummening
Post by: Inkling on January 21, 2015, 09:11:48 pm
That Kardashian video...  So I've never actually read Polygon or Gamasutra.  Is this normal writing for them?  I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not.  I can't tell if this is hipster writing in such a death spin of irony that you can't tell which way is up, or if it really is that easy to buy a positive mention for one of the most blatant examples of some of the worst trends in games.


Is this real life?
Title: Re: Bongogate: The Drummening
Post by: /lurk on January 22, 2015, 05:35:49 am
Is this real life?

Well it sure ain't videogames.



I don't see why you'd be surprised by this at this point.
Title: Re: Bongogate: The Drummening
Post by: Inkling on January 22, 2015, 05:50:18 pm
I expect them to give shamelessly good coverage to their friends' games or to big games that give them money, but I didn't expect it for a celebrity dollhouse mobile game.  Like I said, I mostly ignore these sites so I don't know how low to set the bar.
Title: Re: Bongogate: The Drummening
Post by: PatMan33 on January 22, 2015, 09:28:33 pm
The bar is melting through the Earth's crust.

They're bad, mmm'kay?
Title: Re: Bongogate: The Drummening
Post by: PatMan33 on January 25, 2015, 05:36:08 pm
Bonobo Onpongo is talking about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GfpzPwpdkM
Title: Re: Bongogate: The Drummening
Post by: Slinky on January 25, 2015, 06:06:45 pm
no no no no no
Title: Re: Bongogate: The Drummening
Post by: Inkling on January 25, 2015, 08:09:34 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvwzPADqtxU
Title: Re: Bongogate: The Drummening
Post by: PatMan33 on January 27, 2015, 04:41:32 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAF2UmyXe-4

Did we post this one yet? Fap fap fap?
Title: Re: Bonogate: Still Haven't Found What We're Looking For
Post by: Inkling on January 27, 2015, 07:49:09 pm
That was a lot of vodka, right?  That seemed like a lot of vodka.
Title: Re: Bonogate: Still Haven't Found What We're Looking For
Post by: PatMan33 on January 28, 2015, 04:42:14 am
It's enough to feel things.
Title: Re: Bonogate: Still Haven't Found What We're Looking For
Post by: Inkling on January 31, 2015, 11:46:47 am
This may be old news, but apparently Law and Order: SVU is going to do a gamergate themed episode on the 11th.  I would have a link but I don't remember which game news sites we don't hate.  I don't see how this could be anything but hilariously terrible.
Title: Re: Bonogate: Still Haven't Found What We're Looking For
Post by: eropS on January 31, 2015, 12:13:33 pm
Evil red piller gamer rapes do right journalist/developer?
Title: Re: Bonogate: Still Haven't Found What We're Looking For
Post by: PatMan33 on January 31, 2015, 01:57:39 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8qgehH3kEQ
Title: Re: Bonogate: Still Haven't Found What We're Looking For
Post by: Celdur on January 31, 2015, 04:08:28 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoucuL1jazI
Title: Re: Bondgate: Yesh Pushy
Post by: PatMan33 on February 03, 2015, 05:49:45 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLoXusUirgQ
Title: Re: Bondgate: Yesh Pushy
Post by: Tesla on February 03, 2015, 07:37:32 pm
When will it end??
Title: Re: Bondgate: Yesh Pushy
Post by: PatMan33 on February 03, 2015, 07:52:42 pm
Hype train never gonn end.
Title: Re: Bondgate: Yesh Pushy
Post by: Inkling on February 03, 2015, 08:37:09 pm
End?  My son, it has only begun.
Title: Re: Bondgate: Yesh Pushy
Post by: Celdur on February 04, 2015, 02:48:56 am
"pootiepie"

hehehe
Title: Re: Bondgate: Yesh Pushy
Post by: PatMan33 on February 04, 2015, 06:03:59 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF5a5IgbuYk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOt-YZ_i0Fk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6gc3zb4EnM

Sargoo of Imwrong is talking again. Pretty good set.
Title: Re: Bondgate: Yesh Pushy
Post by: Inkling on February 09, 2015, 04:49:10 pm
I just wanted to bring up how hilarious this is.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9LNAq0CAAAN0vG.jpg
Title: Re: Bondgate: Yesh Pushy
Post by: Brandonazz on February 09, 2015, 05:17:29 pm
Our future LITERALLY hangs in the balance.
Title: Re: Bondgate: Yesh Pushy
Post by: Slinky on February 09, 2015, 05:49:06 pm
(http://hypervocal.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/chris-traeger-photograph_440x355.jpeg)
Title: Re: Bondgate: Yesh Pushy
Post by: PatMan33 on February 09, 2015, 06:12:56 pm
I just wanted to bring up how hilarious this is.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9LNAq0CAAAN0vG.jpg

Wow.
Title: Re: Bondgate: Yesh Pushy
Post by: PatMan33 on February 09, 2015, 06:54:08 pm
By the way, BlackPreon does a series called Patrol on Patreon which is pretty neat. Some familiar names appear occasionally.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tc4DmsD-04

There's also this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIpbKKLcJ40
Title: Re: Gabbogate: (Who is Gabbogate?)
Post by: Tesla on February 10, 2015, 05:07:42 am
I don't much care about this stuff but this one is too rich to ignore. Brianna Wu makes thread harassing herself, presumably forgetting to switch accounts beforehand. (https://archive.today/DSJYF#selection-539.1-542.0)
Title: Re: Gabbogate: (Who is Gabbogate?)
Post by: PatMan33 on February 10, 2015, 06:42:37 am
Hah that's great.

Looking through her twitter. Let's start 16 hours ago. :U

Quote from: Wu
Don't blame me because I make games while you sit in your basement making internet comments.

THE FREE MARKET DECIDED.

Quote from: Wu
Just to be clear? When you bully me on Twitter/Reddit/Steam? This does not bother me.

You're the one looking like an ass, not me.

Quote from: Wu
You have been attacking me for months - and all you've succeeded at is showing the public why what I fight for is important.

Quote from: Wu
I finally watched the preview of the Gamergate Law and Order Episode. REALLY WEIRD to see the worst parts of your life verbatim in a script.

When she starts to plug Law and Order the posts become more frantic.

Quote from: Wu
I want to be really clear about this.

Right now, my life is in danger and other women in games lives are in danger because of a mob.

Quote from: Wu
If something does happen to me, I want you to know who I hold accountable. It's Twitter and Reddit, who have chosen to do nothing.

Quote from: Wu
I also hold the games press accountable, who have also chosen to do nothing. I honestly don't know how they sleep at night.

Quote from: Wu
I believe someone will tragically end up hurt because law enforcement, the press, and these social media corporations have chosen inaction.

Quote from: Wu
The truth is, all of these institutions don't care about women or the harassment we face in our lives and careers.

None of them care at all. We're all against her. Watch the show!! :D

Quote from: Wu
If I die from one of the 45 death threats I've gotten, don't let it be in vain. Hold these institutions accountable. Wake them up.

Quote from: Wu
Society only cares about women's lives when it's:
1. Sex
2. An inspirational ad, or
3. Shoving a mic in her face when she's suffering.

Quote from: Wu
Just finished one of the hardest hitting pieces I've ever written for @bustle, no prisoners taken. Look for it Tuesday, before Law and Order

:UUUUUU

I think this person may have some real mental issues. That's a whole can of crazy there. AND she posted up a screenshot of ANOTHER supposed death threat sender, complete with creepy mask. Best part is that all the comments are basically: why did you post this? you called the police, right?
Title: Re: Gabbogate: (Who is Gabbogate?)
Post by: Krakow Sam on February 10, 2015, 07:43:59 am
I don't quite get what the intent of that post is?

Is it really an attempt to harass herself via sock-puppet or is she trying to parody people?
Title: Re: Gabbogate: (Who is Gabbogate?)
Post by: eropS on February 10, 2015, 11:41:29 am
I think she's just a crazy attention whore
Title: Re: Gabbogate: (Who is Gabbogate?)
Post by: PatMan33 on February 11, 2015, 11:49:08 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owc6AxIbbJ0

ELLO GABBO UNDERSTAND
Title: Re: Gabbogate: (Who is Gabbogate?)
Post by: Celdur on February 11, 2015, 07:15:13 pm
that svu episode was ****ing incredible
comedy gold
go watch it
Title: Re: Gabbogate: (Who is Gabbogate?)
Post by: PatMan33 on February 11, 2015, 07:31:03 pm
Did we win?
Title: Re: Gabbogate: (Who is Gabbogate?)
Post by: Celdur on February 12, 2015, 04:27:58 am
of course
Title: Re: Gabbogate: (Who is Gabbogate?)
Post by: eropS on February 12, 2015, 09:16:44 am
I love Ice Cube and the lines they make him say.

"No reset button in real life!"
Title: Re: Gabbogate: (Who is Gabbogate?)
Post by: Tesla on February 12, 2015, 09:20:04 am
Someone posted a highlight reel on reddit. (http://youtu.be/n7faUHdlh9g)

"What'd they do to you?"
"They leveled up."
Title: Re: Gabbogate: (Who is Gabbogate?)
Post by: PatMan33 on February 12, 2015, 10:00:26 am
I think they misunderstand the orgy culture at cons. :U
Title: Re: Gabbogate: (Who is Gabbogate?)
Post by: /lurk on February 12, 2015, 10:05:07 am
This is amazing.

The one flaw is that it doesn't have South Park style "This is what Kotaku ACTUALLY BELIEVES" along the bottom.
Title: Re: Gabbogate: (Who is Gabbogate?)
Post by: PatMan33 on February 12, 2015, 10:07:54 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NiDeR8SsdI
Title: Re: Gabbogate: (Who is Gabbogate?)
Post by: /lurk on February 12, 2015, 10:16:52 am
F

;_;7
Title: Re: Gabbogate: (Who is Gabbogate?)
Post by: Krakow Sam on February 12, 2015, 10:41:53 am
They don't have nintendos in JAIL punk.

So much for your high score.
Title: Re: Gabbogate: (Who is Gabbogate?)
Post by: PatMan33 on February 12, 2015, 03:16:22 pm
Found the winner!

(http://i.imgur.com/WvJ3Xy8.jpg)
Title: Re: Gabbogate: (Who is Gabbogate?)
Post by: PatMan33 on February 24, 2015, 07:21:38 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UC8rynDZCl0

:o?

Hearing Ben Kuchera called a "mongoloid" made my morning.
Title: Re: Gabbogate: (Who is Gabbogate?)
Post by: PatMan33 on February 25, 2015, 01:15:50 pm
YO WE GOT SOME FRESH EVENT. TEN MINUTES AGO FRESH.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-jKOyM7XnY
Title: Re: Gabbogate: (Who is Gabbogate?)
Post by: PatMan33 on March 03, 2015, 02:37:55 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUInLgdR_60

BACK TO GAMES.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQcUxk__j4o

ELLO
Title: Re: Gabbogate: (Who is Gabbogate?)
Post by: Krakow Sam on March 03, 2015, 03:50:10 pm
Gaming Treats Autism...

Should that not be "gaming, a treat for the autistic"?
Title: Re: Gabbogate: (Who is Gabbogate?)
Post by: PatMan33 on March 03, 2015, 04:06:47 pm
 ILIEK +MINECRAFT
Title: Re: Gabbogate: (Who is Gabbogate?)
Post by: PatMan33 on March 05, 2015, 07:07:12 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQ35Fis96_s

Preon has arrived.
Title: Re: Gabbogate: (Who is Gabbogate?)
Post by: Krakow Sam on March 10, 2015, 09:47:23 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE3j_RHkqJc
Title: Re: Gabbogate: (Who is Gabbogate?)
Post by: PatMan33 on March 16, 2015, 03:20:54 pm
This is a good video, Baggo.
Title: Re: Gabbogate: (Who is Gabbogate?)
Post by: Celdur on March 16, 2015, 03:25:19 pm
Kojima was right
Title: Re: Gabbogate: (Who is Gabbogate?)
Post by: Slinky on March 16, 2015, 04:00:07 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTQ8YtCiMoI
Title: Re: Jokergate: This is about comic book covers now?
Post by: PatMan33 on April 12, 2015, 09:41:44 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zia_DYiaDek

OH MY SIDES

MY SIDES!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Jokergate: This is about comic book covers now?
Post by: PatMan33 on April 14, 2015, 07:33:20 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eQW-NvtAEs


OHHH DODODODODO
Title: Re: Jokergate: This is about comic book covers now?
Post by: PatMan33 on April 15, 2015, 05:28:30 am
OHHHHLOLOLO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NWpC-CMz8I
Title: Re: Jokergate: This is about comic book covers now?
Post by: PatMan33 on April 15, 2015, 12:51:28 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XF8OXwD5rv8

Dude Matt is trying so hard to be Jim. It's pretty ****ing sad.
Title: Re: Jokergate: This is about comic book covers now?
Post by: Inkling on April 15, 2015, 10:03:24 pm
I wonder if a mod's going to take issue with the images for those videos.  Do mods even care anymore?

So what's this about the Hugo awards and sad puppies?  Is anything anti sjw gamergate now?
Title: Re: Jokergate: This is about comic book covers now?
Post by: Celdur on April 16, 2015, 09:46:37 am
pretty much.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAUG8tQP7Jo

here's something that actually matters to gg though, for a change.
Title: Re: Jokergate: This is about comic book covers now?
Post by: PatMan33 on April 16, 2015, 03:55:19 pm
I've been checking that lazy slab's page for new (useful) videos for weeks on end and of course he finally uploads something after I stop checking.

He needs to be stabbed and his family harassed in the name of GamerGate. Thank you Celdur. At least you're doing good work.
Title: Re: Jokergate: This is about comic book covers now?
Post by: eropS on April 17, 2015, 07:52:55 am
He needs to be stabbed and his family harassed in the name of GamerGate

are you being sarcastic or is this just super ironic
Title: Re: Jokergate: This is about comic book covers now?
Post by: PatMan33 on April 17, 2015, 08:04:48 am
I think it's pretty obvious that I believe he needs to be stabbed in the heart. But I am okay with severe liver damage if the former is too much.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_KMA2j_PWM

This is a good one! You can skip the first six or seven minutes or so if you don't wanna hear some person talking about not much.
Title: Re: Jokergate: This is about comic book covers now?
Post by: Gauphastus on April 19, 2015, 03:42:14 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9mI6vkk3dE

why am i watching this im just getting angry again
Title: Re: Jokergate: This is about comic book covers now?
Post by: PatMan33 on April 19, 2015, 04:53:20 pm
Just listening to Jim not know enough about this on his stream. Interested. Thanks!!

Also also thanks, I had lost this youtube channel and really liked it in the past. This one is pretty good:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUm3jFjUVko
Title: Re: Jokergate: This is about comic book covers now?
Post by: PatMan33 on April 22, 2015, 04:32:27 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXz7LTItF4s

olololo
Title: Re: Jokergate: This is about comic book covers now?
Post by: PatMan33 on May 06, 2015, 03:29:08 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgvplwZkjBI

AND WE'RE BACK!

Now with Josh Wheedon.
Title: Re: Jokergate: This is about comic book covers now?
Post by: Slinky on May 12, 2015, 06:24:29 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCsu3YPOw50

I know a few of you guys don't like Anita and she's been criticized a lot for cherrypicking and accentuating the negative. She's doing a new series where she talks about positive representation in videogames and whatever you think of her, that's kind of cool.
Title: Re: Whatever Happened to Gamergate?
Post by: PatMan33 on June 17, 2015, 11:32:26 am
http://imgur.com/a/K2SwD

This imgur page has a ton of pretty nice infographics and charts with lots of data and whatnot. Pretty neat. Check it out!

Prepping for my rage once E3 ends and the manipulation of the narrative begins.
Title: Re: Whatever Happened to Gamergate?
Post by: Tesla on June 17, 2015, 01:23:34 pm
jesus christ, "gamers" will turn anything into a failure of "ethics" and add a "-gate" suffix to the end. the community needs to grow the **** up
Title: Re: Whatever Happened to Gamergate?
Post by: PatMan33 on June 17, 2015, 03:12:44 pm
I-I like this thread.
Title: Re: Whatever Happened to Gamergate?
Post by: Tesla on June 17, 2015, 03:44:55 pm
That's a rather ungenerous interpretation and an ad hominem response.

it may be ad hominem, but ad hominem is not inherently a fallacy... that's only when the accusation against the group/person is tangential or irrelevant. ad hominem can be a perfectly valid argument, such as in this case, where im implying this whole thing is a result of a negative personality trait
Title: Re: Whatever Happened to Gamergate?
Post by: /lurk on June 17, 2015, 03:59:57 pm
ad hominem can be a perfectly valid argument, such as in this case, where im implying this whole thing is a result of a negative personality trait

Yes, sociopathy is indeed very common among game journalists.
Title: Re: Whatever Happened to Gamergate?
Post by: Krakow Sam on June 17, 2015, 04:03:53 pm
God when are you ****lords going to realise that "games journalists" and "gamers" are the exact same people.
Title: Re: Whatever Happened to Gamergate?
Post by: Slinky on June 17, 2015, 04:08:23 pm
man games are fun and if someone thinks you're a dickhead nerd for liking games, whatever
Title: Re: Whatever Happened to Gamergate?
Post by: eropS on June 17, 2015, 04:10:52 pm
Well. No? One writes and makes money writing about games the other just plays them?

Sure, some gamers are in gamimg journalism, whatever that is, but not but it's not exclusive nor is it all encompassing. Not all gamers are game journalist and not all games journalist are gamers.

Why would you think we are the same as those who write for profit?

By -we- I mean us Gamingsteve forum goers, who I'd say are 'gamers'.
Title: Re: Whatever Happened to Gamergate?
Post by: Tesla on June 17, 2015, 04:21:10 pm
im implying this whole thing is a result of a negative personality trait

Yes, it is... and that is why the those gamer-types keep having to address the ethical violations of people with that negative personality trait.  I am glad you agree with reason.  ;D

ah, the ol' ad switcheroo fallacy :P
Title: Re: Whatever Happened to Gamergate?
Post by: PatMan33 on June 17, 2015, 06:03:23 pm
I like GamerGate and I like this thread.

Because GamerGate and this thread are funny as ****.

Also it pleases me to see gamers striking back at our journalists. This fact checking and oversight needs to continue in perpetuity.
Title: Re: Whatever Happened to Gamergate?
Post by: Tesla on June 17, 2015, 06:23:53 pm
Fallacy?
(http://www.louisaheinrich.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/inigo-montoya_that-word.jpg)

Hm. The Princess Bride fallacy at work.
Title: Re: Whatever Happened to Gamergate?
Post by: Person21 on June 17, 2015, 06:53:43 pm
God when are you ****lords going to realise that "games journalists" and "gamers" are the exact same people.

...I don't actually play video games but have opinions on them anyway


(http://a.1339.cf/aljlgs.jpg)
Title: Re: Whatever Happened to Gamergate?
Post by: Inkling on June 17, 2015, 07:57:54 pm
I guess Sam didn't see this review from the other week.

https://archive.is/j7x2t
Title: Re: Whatever Happened to Gamergate?
Post by: PatMan33 on June 18, 2015, 03:17:01 am
https://archive.is/j7x2t

Jesus that article.
Title: Re: Whatever Happened to Gamergate?
Post by: Slinky on June 18, 2015, 10:43:31 am
guys stop arguing i thought this was over
Title: Re: Whatever Happened to Gamergate?
Post by: Krakow Sam on June 18, 2015, 10:44:56 am
What's wrong with that article?

I skimmed it, it seems ok.
Title: Re: Whatever Happened to Gamergate?
Post by: PatMan33 on June 18, 2015, 02:45:08 pm
Yeah but the headline disagreed with my beliefs.
Title: Re: Whatever Happened to Gamergate?
Post by: Krakow Sam on June 18, 2015, 04:52:32 pm
What a bunch of goobers.
Title: Re: Whatever Happened to Gamergate?
Post by: Inkling on June 18, 2015, 07:18:56 pm
guys stop arguing i thought this was over

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7vtWB4owdE
Title: Re: Whatever Happened to Gamergate?
Post by: Kishmond on June 19, 2015, 09:17:56 pm
I paid zero attention to any of this and the whole time I thought it was about gamersgate.com.
Title: Re: Whatever Happened to Gamergate?
Post by: PatMan33 on June 19, 2015, 09:25:19 pm
That is okay, I was in that boat as well for a bit.
Title: Re: Whatever Happened to Gamergate?
Post by: Inkling on June 22, 2015, 10:57:26 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuNIwYsz7PI
Title: Re: Whatever Happened to Gamergate?
Post by: eropS on June 22, 2015, 11:35:55 am
Hm, idk. Maybe i'm to ingrained in the mainstream but I mean the 'if you dont want to get burglarized dont buy a house' is a poor comparison because it's a physical crime where things of measurable value are taken. Naked photos are a different kind of crime, more emotional and violating in a different way, something you were okay with showing some people but not others, betrayal mixed with shame and disgust. It's too bad society feels that nakedness is something to be ashamed of and it becomes as big of a deal as it does.

I am surprised it is legal, though. I don't think it should be.

I think the intro shows how harassment of women is universal among all industries and that to say it is an exclusive/defining feature of the gamersgate movement to provide accountability in games reporting is wrong.
Title: Re: Whatever Happened to Gamergate?
Post by: Inkling on June 22, 2015, 11:51:05 am
Actually I went crosseyed when Anita showed up, so I thought I'd put it here and see what happened.  I'll try watching again later.
Title: Re: Whatever Happened to Gamergate?
Post by: PatMan33 on June 22, 2015, 12:19:19 pm
I am living breathing proof that there is an ethical concern here with these journos. But now I can't even voice my long-held opinion because I'm just a misogynist. How the **** did I end up losing so badly when I've been in this longer than anyone? :|

Kotaku ****ing sucks. Brian Crecente, Stephen Totilo, and Ben Kuchera have made online games journalism a complete joke and nobody cares. I see a lot of really smart people saying "it's just video games", even Colbert said that and got a great laugh. Fine. Well, when they come for you, I can't help because I'm already metaphorically dead.
Title: Re: Whatever Happened to Gamergate?
Post by: PatMan33 on June 22, 2015, 01:11:08 pm
Then again, I guess I don't care /that/ much.

But it does bug me that people are calling me a bad person, then doing bad things to me, and then nobody seems to care about my plight. And then I get told "well that's the payback for all the decades of so-and-so being in a bad spot." I don't like that because I generally am trying to bring people together to talk, but nobody wants to talk. They just want to bicker and fight and point fingers. And no matter how many times I plead with people on both sides to take it to the forums and discussion boards, they insist on stupid ways of conveying their messages that make it hard to be clear and concise.

BUT I MEAN REALLY, DUDES.

WOMEN. RIGHT?
Title: Re: Whatever Happened to Gamergate?
Post by: Brandonazz on June 22, 2015, 02:12:40 pm
I was actually kinda stunned by that bit of the Last Week Tonight.
Title: Re: Whatever Happened to Gamergate?
Post by: Inkling on June 22, 2015, 02:27:25 pm
So back to the actual video, there are definitely some legitimate concerns here.  But the clip lumped together the entire spectrum of people being jerks (to women) on the internet.  Clarification to the law on the revenge porn thing is coming, it's just moving slowly because it's a relatively new issue and the internet can still be confusing to the old people that make up state legislatures.
Title: Re: Whatever Happened to Gamergate?
Post by: PatMan33 on June 22, 2015, 03:02:28 pm
Hm...

He has a problem with the idea of not taking naked pictures of yourself. Then says to replace "naked pictures" with anything and it becomes absurd. "If you don't want to be burgled, don't buy a house!" And then he went on to mock people that hold the former opinion and insinuates that you'd have to be stupid to hold such an opinion.

Genuine question. Is it the same? I hear this a lot.

He mentioned hacked webcams as a means of this stuff getting out and that a person may unwittingly have their nakedness out there. But then I see /that/ as an entirely different situation. Am I unreasonable to say that a person taking nude photos of themselves /does/ share the blame while a person that had their webcam hacked (to use his example) would be "innocent"?

I dunno, I didn't like this video. And he also mentions people going to the police about Twitter threats. But then he glossed over the part where the "big name" threats that came out months ago were unsubstantiated. The police deemed the threats to be nothing to worry about. And that is not to say that the personal toll caused by receiving a threat isn't real. However, if the threat is a joke, you need to treat it as such and not continue to lambast people and cry foul and bring further negative attention toward oneself.

Shoot... I mean at a certain point you just gotta accept that people are going to upset you from time to time. And on the internet people can be really really mean. I hear awful things all the time, lots of times directed at me. Do they want to advocate for me? Because I agree, it's ****ed up and wrong. But if you aren't approaching the debate with an open mindset and a willingness to discuss, you shouldn't be surprised when you get push back.

Look at this topic here! We've been talking about it for months. We disagree, we agree, we whatever. It's cool. It's a discussion and opinions can change over time. That's awesome! But we aren't a majority. We're clinging to these old conventions. The forum: where context can be added.

Bleh... why do some peoples' facts matter while other peoples' facts don't? Why does one group have an exclusive claim to legitimacy while the other does not? All while both sides commit the same horrible acts against one another in the name of progress. It's absurd!
Title: Re: Whatever Happened to Gamergate?
Post by: /lurk on June 22, 2015, 03:16:32 pm
So back to the actual video, there are definitely some legitimate concerns here.  But the clip lumped together the entire spectrum of people being jerks (to women) on the internet.  Clarification to the law on the revenge porn thing is coming, it's just moving slowly because it's a relatively new issue and the internet can still be confusing to the old people that make up state legislatures.

I'm pretty sure the relevant law is the digital millennium copyright act, when it isn't being used for cartoonish supervillainy.

But I had enough aneurysms at E3 this year so I didn't want to watch that video and get another one.



EDIT: http://nichegamer.com/2015/06/sunset-developer-to-stop-making-games-following-commercial-failure/

They hire Leigh Alexander and Rock Paper Shogun to shill their "art games" and then get mad when they fail? Comedy gold.


The twitter meltdown is a bonus punchline. Laffin' IRL.
Title: Re: Whatever Happened to Gamergate?
Post by: PatMan33 on June 22, 2015, 04:49:11 pm
me and lurk swinging mugs of beer through the air

NSFW!





(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIICimOUsAAfqcf.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Whatever Happened to Gamergate?
Post by: Celdur on June 22, 2015, 05:22:02 pm
Yeah, I didn't really have a problem with most of it aside from that one part.
And perhaps the bit where he trashes on people saying not to share pictures of yourself, because that really is a good first step to take.
And has little to do with the legal actions that should be taken in the case of this sort of thing happening.
Prevention is a whole different thing after all.
Title: Re: Whatever Happened to Gamergate?
Post by: Person21 on June 22, 2015, 05:47:36 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZly6bW3UMk

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIGrbmGVAAEt2Ve.jpg:large)
Capitalism is evil, screw you for not buying our product.
Title: Re: Whatever Happened to Gamergate?
Post by: Inkling on June 22, 2015, 06:38:53 pm
What charming and persuasive people.  I look forward to seeing more of their work once someone pays them to complain some more.
Title: Re: Whatever Happened to Gamergate?
Post by: PatMan33 on June 26, 2015, 01:49:02 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LgQ7asq_MI
:U
Title: Re: Whatever Happened to Gamergate?
Post by: PatMan33 on June 26, 2015, 04:52:36 pm
Those moments when someone comes along that things "PC Master Race" is a real thing.

(http://i.imgur.com/l5TNxsk.png)

POC PLEASE!
Title: Re: Whatever Happened to Gamergate?
Post by: Celdur on June 26, 2015, 05:11:20 pm
I don't know if that's someone making a joke or not.
Title: Re: Whatever Happened to Gamergate?
Post by: PatMan33 on June 26, 2015, 05:18:44 pm
Yeah you're right. If I were that guy, I'd definitely play dumb to rustle some gamernurd jimmies.
Title: Re: Whatever Happened to Gamergate?
Post by: Inkling on June 26, 2015, 08:46:04 pm
I heard about that the other day.  Apparently it started with this response to the Batman mess and went downhill from there.

(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/Not_Inkling/CIRiqT-VAAAxfBq.png)

That's from the guy who writes for Polygon.  I went and looked up his twitter feed, that was a fun ride.  He keeps alternating between doubling down, begging people to leave him alone, and wetting himself over the gay marriage decision.  Oh, and he retweeted this "fixed" picture:

(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/Not_Inkling/CIcJ2qsWsAEz43Q.jpg)
Title: Re: Whatever Happened to Gamergate?
Post by: PatMan33 on June 27, 2015, 08:44:02 am
I don't get these people.

Dude is a video game reviewer. WHY would you think it wise to admit in the wide open public that you don't know about the largest digital distribution network in gaming, the porting process, or anything related to graphics cards and outputs. Like, okay, fine you don't know about PC gaming or, apparently, what is going on behind the curtain with the games you play.

Do I expect a professional reviewer to know some of this? Yeah.

Do I expect a professional reviewer to know everything about programming and design? No.

But christmas on a cracker, dude. DON'T BROADCAST THAT YOU ARE UNQUALIFIED TO DO YOUR JOB. Especially when you are under a microscope now. Come the **** on. I feel like a lot of these people never spent time on the internet before things like Twitter and Facebook and MySpace. It's like the cops. You do realize everyone can record what you're doing, right? RIGHT?? You understand the implications here, right??

Does he really not have to work to keep his job? If I were this dude's editor I'd strip him of his Twitter privileges and put him on probation at work for a few weeks. These people are so lazy in nearly every aspect of what they do and it is infuriating. There are gamers and writers out there that would kill to have your job, man. They would be over the moon to get the access you have and to get paid to write about games. Have some respect for your profession you ****.
Title: Re: Whatever Happened to Gamergate?
Post by: Inkling on June 27, 2015, 10:15:47 am
His main response seemed to be that he's from South Africa and games are expensive.
Title: Re: Whatever Happened to Gamergate?
Post by: PatMan33 on June 28, 2015, 07:27:12 pm
muh review copies
Title: Re: Whatever Happened to Gamergate?
Post by: PatMan33 on July 02, 2015, 03:48:41 pm
So, Red Alert 3 was in my drive and I did not notice. It autoran for some reason and I just sort of started playing.

You think a game like RA3 (or really any proper C&C game with live-action cutscenes) would even be made anymore? With how campy and not-really-PC all that stuff is, I think this game would be very different now.
Title: Re: Whatever Happened to Gamergate?
Post by: Krakow Sam on July 03, 2015, 01:07:40 am
They'd probably take out the bit where George Takei makes Tim Curry give him a handjob at the very least.
Title: Re: Whatever Happened to Gamergate?
Post by: eropS on July 03, 2015, 03:51:37 am
Aw what then why bother
Title: Re: Whatever Happened to Gamergate?
Post by: PatMan33 on July 03, 2015, 06:57:38 am
SPAYYYYCE!
Title: Re: Whatever Happened to Gamergate?
Post by: PatMan33 on July 06, 2015, 01:31:16 pm
Cameralady and Shortfatotaku have made another Indiefensible video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XN7IbaHROvg

Only just starting it, so I'm not sure yet if it is crap. But their videos are always interesting for some intrigue. This time they are looking at AAA corruption.
Title: Re: Whatever Happened to Gamergate?
Post by: Inkling on July 13, 2015, 10:24:17 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-1n4YlHt_A

I think this goes here.
Title: Re: Whatever Happened to Gamergate?
Post by: PatMan33 on July 13, 2015, 11:26:10 am
She did say "gamergate"...


The reddit thing is interesting anyway. Apparently Pao's boss is the one that came up with the idea to fire the person, fired the person, and then stood back and did nothing while reddit incorrectly lambasted Pao. But muh misogyny. Aren't internet mobs easy to rile up?

...

oh...
Title: Re: Whatever Happened to Gamergate?
Post by: PatMan33 on July 16, 2015, 08:46:46 am
Sargo McNutbar has a video on Shonita Barleesian and her influences.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePCMMFJIolo

Kinda interesting.
Title: Re: Whatever Happened to Gamergate?
Post by: PatMan33 on July 19, 2015, 12:53:56 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OnWv0F8y6o
Title: Re: Whatever Happened to Gamergate?
Post by: PatMan33 on July 19, 2015, 01:48:18 pm
Also I saw this again today and my jaw still drops.

To this day I can't figure out this statement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-pZwFJe66Y

She prefaces the question "where is that army", with words she claims are what her detractors say. So it should follow that the answer should be laughter or silence or something. But... the crowd cheers her on and celebrates that they are, in fact, the army. So doesn't that validate her detractors? I can't figure out of she meant this statement ironically or sarcastically or not. Whatever she meant, her point that her detractors are spewing tinfoil hat-tier nonsense goes completely out the window. I... what??

I still don't understand this exchange months and months later. Anyone have insight or thoughts?

Because as I've said before, to a certain point when she first popped up I agreed with Anita Sarkeesian. But I just don't understand what the goal is. Not only are the videos not coming, but the message seems so unfriendly and confrontational. And then this little tiny clip more or less flushes any credibility she had down the drain.

Why did all this mess happen? I am glad that many game journos shored up their ethics policies, that is fantastic. But there's still this weird attitude with a lot of these people that seems totally out of touch with what sane, rational people would do. Do they live in a bubble? When they go home are they surrounded by like-minded people? Why do opposing or simply different opinions seem to scare some of these people so much? And most of all, why why why after all this time is there still an inability to get people together to talk. Why do they engage the minority of trolls and completely ignore the people that want to have a discussion? It's so weird and depressing. :(
Title: Re: Whatever Happened to Gamergate?
Post by: /lurk on July 19, 2015, 03:38:57 pm
Why do they engage the minority of trolls and completely ignore the people that want to have a discussion? It's so weird and depressing. :(

That's called "trolling", dongus.

They're better at it than I am because you apparently can't tell when they're doing it.

They're also better at it than me because they do it professionally rather than just for giggles.
Title: Re: Whatever Happened to Gamergate?
Post by: PatMan33 on July 19, 2015, 04:18:13 pm
But that's not a sustainable model at all.

They can't retire on the money they've made thus far. Maybe it'll last them a couple years, but after that then what? What's the endgame? Professionals will see this stuff in their past and won't want to touch them.
Title: Re: Whatever Happened to Gamergate?
Post by: /lurk on July 19, 2015, 04:58:00 pm
Massively overestimating them my boy.

And massively overestimating the general public too.
Title: Re: Whatever Happened to Gamergate?
Post by: PatMan33 on July 19, 2015, 06:19:16 pm
*sigh*

I'm asking these questions to spur a discussion, not to just be hand-waved off.

At a certain point these things come back to bite people. They've burned a lot of political capital with gamers, feminists, and the media. Their movement has pushed itself to an extreme which makes it unpalatable if they want to shift it toward something else/the next source of income. There have been no new tricks or anything out of their toolbox in months and they've exhausted most of their other techniques. Their Kickstarters and Patreons have categorically under-delivered (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/566429325/tropes-vs-women-in-video-games) or simply have not delivered at all (http://www.patreon.com/user?u=439829). Moreover, research into their hypotheses and theories have generally proven them wrong upon closer inspection. Heck, some of their fundamental principles are proven wrong by the same studies they cite to prove them (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF5a5IgbuYk). They simply ignore the parts that don't jive with their message and carry on... that isn't sustainable.

A lot of this is same things started happening to Jack Thompson as well. So that begs the question: what do they do? What were they expecting? There is push back at their hyper-sensitivity in the media, in politics, and in society in general. People are getting tired of it. And their so-called "enemy", the gamers... they've remained largely nameless and faceless (and therefore relatively safe from ridicule) while the Sarkeesians of the world have their face plastered up on the wall with mountains of evidence and information contrary to what they claim.

How does it end? Do they just fade away? Because a lot of their followers are simply going to grow up and leave that zealous college age when they become parents or have to manage a career or simply find other things to devote their energy to. The wave has passed so you won't sweep up the same numbers you did before.


**EDIT**
Oddly enough, TotalBiscuit just went off on the harrassment issue so I'll chuck that in here, too.

Enough is Enough (https://soundcloud.com/totalbiscuit/enough)

"I am tired of the lies. I am tired of the faux morality. I am tired of your shame crusades. Take a good long look at yourself." -TotalBiscuit
Title: Re: Whatever Happened to Gamergate?
Post by: Krakow Sam on July 20, 2015, 02:39:35 am
The answer to all of these questions is basically just "there is no plan. There's basically never a plan."

Nobody sat down and decided they were going to orchestrate some sort of "genius" scheme whereby they ruined the reputation of gaming and gained a huge fanbase of jerks or whatever.

Basically you're doing the same thing people used to do when they heard thunder or saw the river bursting its banks and invented gods and demons to explain stuff. There's no evil mastermind in charge of gamergate pushback or scam kickstarters or straw-feminist movements or any of it, just like there isn't a "leader" of gamergate, and in fact it isn't even a solidly defined organisation at all.

"Both" "sides" of this issue are just collections of people acting the way people do. In total their actions create a system which seems to have some sort of drives and behaviours of its own, but these are just an aggregate of a bunch of individual people acting much like people do. They lash out in frustration at whoever they think is the cause of their problems, they see opportunities to profit and they take them, because who wouldn't? They do things which seem like a good idea at the time.

Like a colony of ants every person participating in Gamergate or what have you broadly just follows their own instructions and think they're generally doing the right thing. Of course a lot of ants obeying their instructions can lead to them undermining your house, or starting an endless ant-war with another colony. The ants on the front line don't see the big picture, they just see red ants invading their precious sugar caves and so they attack... or, make bitchy videos?

I digress. The reason it seems like people have behaved illogically and been self defeating is because there was no master plan. People are just people and they do dumb things, and they add up to bad things. 
Title: Re: Whatever Happened to Gamergate?
Post by: Inkling on July 20, 2015, 10:14:53 am
I don't think Pat was talking about either side as a whole or the average person involved, but more the professionals like Sarkeesian and some of the writers and game devs.  Does wading into divisive social politics, or making that your entire career, fit into their long term career plans?  Or are they just riding the wave?  I'd guess it's the later for most of them, like you said, but I don't really have any basis for that.  Guess I'm kind of splitting hairs here.

In a normal business you try to sell your product and don't pick fights with your consumer base based on their personal views.  For instance, all of these companies running ads saying that they are pro gay rights and gay marriage don't take additional negative angle of saying that if you don't support gay rights, you're a horrible person.

Also I think any lasting stigma from all of this would be more of an issue for the people who plan to keep working in the games industry.  I can easily see Sarkeesian jumping over to some other issue.
Title: Re: Whatever Happened to Gamergate?
Post by: PatMan33 on July 21, 2015, 04:24:04 pm
Interesting and fairly short article here about GameJournoPros.

Destructoid Owner: I Get The #GamerGate Thing (http://blogjob.com/oneangrygamer/2015/07/destructoid-owner-i-get-the-gamergate-thing/)

And from Forbes...

More Terrible Journalism Erupts Over New Video Game Sexism Study (http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2015/07/21/more-terrible-journalism-erupts-over-new-video-game-sexism-study/)

Pretty neat study as well!
Title: Re: Whatever Happened to Gamergate?
Post by: Inkling on July 23, 2015, 03:43:36 pm
I wasn't really sure where to put this link.  It isn't about gaming, it isn't a video, and I didn't feel like putting it in off topic.  So I'll put it here.

NPR call in show discussing Gawker, Reddit, and because it's also an internet thing, Ashley Madison.  Come for the moderator doing his best to understand the topic, stay for the guests who don't know how to talk in public and callers who understand even less.

http://onpoint.wbur.org/2015/07/22/gawker-reddit-ashleymadison
Title: Re: Whatever Happened to Gamergate?
Post by: PatMan33 on July 23, 2015, 04:14:45 pm
I was able to listen to this story, it's pretty neat. It goes along with ethics in journalism but also the nature of the internet. And it more or less becomes a discussion of how the internet should operate with anonymity and freedom of speech, the Gawker and reddit and AM stuff kinda got pushed to the side. But it's worth listening to for sure.
Title: Re: Whatever Happened to Gamergate?
Post by: Celdur on July 23, 2015, 04:29:11 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apGv0KTV9IM
Title: Re: Whatever Happened to Gamergate?
Post by: PatMan33 on July 29, 2015, 09:18:39 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2ih2OuqKXQ

hue
Title: Re: Whatever Happened to Gamergate?
Post by: PatMan33 on August 19, 2015, 11:39:23 am
Hey look! A wile gabbogate appeared!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQ5QkJGA1ds
Title: Re: Whatever Happened to Gamergate?
Post by: PatMan33 on August 19, 2015, 03:12:39 pm
You didn't seem to miss it. Show us more!
Title: Re: Whatever Happened to Gamergate?
Post by: Person21 on August 19, 2015, 03:57:40 pm
Some Anti-GG, of course, claimed GG called in the bomb threats so they could claim to be victims.

They won't push that idea too strongly.
Title: Re: Whatever Happened to Gamergate?
Post by: PatMan33 on August 19, 2015, 05:08:33 pm
This wouldn't be the first time GG got bomb-threat'd out of an event and nobody reported on it.

And the journos wonder why GG people get so pissy. :U

Anyway, this is a really great video! Thanks for posting it up. LeoPirate does good work. What still boggles my mind is what Ashe Snow says shortly after the five minute mark: that disclosure and trying to be ethical are not complex things. It's simple. It's not that difficult. Why then? It's so insulting and disappointing. Coming from someone that desired to be a games journalist at one point in time... like, damn guys. What were you getting that made you overlook such simple procedures? Was it worth it? You have one of the best, possibly coolest jobs in the world. You get to write about video games and give your opinions on then and get paid for it. What the ****?
Title: Re: Whatever Happened to Gamergate?
Post by: PatMan33 on August 20, 2015, 10:31:23 am
Hey! Looks like Event opens with this Airplay thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMw3LExpQAM
Title: Re: Batman versus Gamergate: The Legend of Jared Leto's Gold
Post by: PatMan33 on August 22, 2015, 08:21:41 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXhnVjQBBaM

Fresh Thunderfoot for us to enjoy.

Oh man... these guys. Just watch. Idiots everywhere! Anita brought the popcorn and I think we can all finally laugh together for once. :D
Title: Re: Batman versus Gamergate: The Legend of Jared Leto's Gold
Post by: PatMan33 on August 24, 2015, 02:55:50 pm
T-they just decided to not give awards out for certain categories based on the authors' politics and not the merit of the work?

How then do they justify their existence moving forward?
Title: Re: Batman versus Gamergate: The Legend of Jared Leto's Gold
Post by: Krakow Sam on August 24, 2015, 03:28:07 pm
To play devil's advocate. "They" are the judges of the awards and are at liberty to vote however they want. From what I understand the politics of the authors tend to also be reflected in their work.

But really, who gives a ****? Awards like this tend to be totally bogus at any rate. When have the Oscars ever made the right call?
Title: Re: Batman versus Gamergate: The Legend of Jared Leto's Gold
Post by: PatMan33 on August 24, 2015, 06:07:13 pm
I think it's pretty absurd that they can't even give an award out. It's their one job. That's ridiculous.

It's not necessarily something I care much about. But it bugs me that these morons can't let anyone else have their own thing and would rather just shut everything down if they can't get their way. That is nuts.
Title: Re: Batman versus Gamergate: The Legend of Jared Leto's Gold
Post by: Inkling on August 24, 2015, 09:56:49 pm
T-they just decided to not give awards out for certain categories based on the authors' politics and not the merit of the work?

How then do they justify their existence moving forward?

Well apparently George R. R. Martin hosted his own awards ceremony afterward with hookers and blow vintage hood ornaments and I assume massive casualties.

Good grief Chitoes, the opening to the article you posted.

Okay, I finished the article.  Hot damn that was the most in your face partisan thing I've read in a while.  Both sides in this mess seem to think highly of G. R. R. Martin, so I guess if for some reason I want to look into this further I'll go read his blog.
Title: Re: Batman versus Gamergate: The Legend of Jared Leto's Gold
Post by: PatMan33 on August 24, 2015, 10:40:34 pm
Yes.

Everyone except us sucks, I think we can agree.
Title: Re: Batman versus Gamergate: The Legend of Jared Leto's Gold
Post by: Krakow Sam on August 25, 2015, 01:14:59 am
I just liked the TOS Star Trek image of nerds being the galaxy's immune response to ideological authoritarianism (or whatever that disease is).

Well that's interesting because the protest votes were directed against certain fossilised sci-fi authors who hold distinctly authoritarian views.

Like Ink said, this is another one of those situations where most everyone is acting like a disgusting man child (or woman child). Picking sides and proclaiming someone or other is being a champion for democracy or saving our civilisation really doesn't accurately reflect what's actually going on here.
Title: Re: Batman versus Gamergate: The Legend of Jared Leto's Gold
Post by: PatMan33 on August 25, 2015, 06:55:37 am
Sam confirmed for SJW-sympathiser.

Silence him.
Title: Re: Batman versus Gamergate: The Legend of Jared Leto's Gold
Post by: Krakow Sam on August 25, 2015, 08:58:01 am
Come at me nerds, demonstrate a total lack of self-awareness or proportion. Prove the hacks right.
Title: Re: Batman versus Gamergate: The Legend of Jared Leto's Gold
Post by: Inkling on August 25, 2015, 08:18:37 pm
Or we could just compare someone to ISIS and call it a day.
Title: Re: Batman versus Gamergate: The Legend of Jared Leto's Gold
Post by: Krakow Sam on August 26, 2015, 01:20:53 am
fossilised sci-fi authors who hold distinctly authoritarian views.

citation needed.  please provide evidence and specifics of these alleged views.

http://www.wnd.com/2005/08/31677/
http://voxday.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/a-black-female-fantasist.html

Took me a couple of minutes to find these over breakfast.
Title: Re: Batman versus Gamergate: The Legend of Jared Leto's Gold
Post by: /lurk on August 26, 2015, 04:31:45 am
Come at me nerds, demonstrate a total lack of self-awareness or proportion. Prove the hacks right.
Why? Have you got your patreon set up already?
Title: Re: Batman versus Gamergate: The Legend of Jared Leto's Gold
Post by: Krakow Sam on August 26, 2015, 10:56:05 am
Vox Day is a strawman.

A real person can't be a strawman. -_-

I just don't agree with the position that "the world is **** so everyone is always wrong about everything."  If you don't agree with that position either, then please start making positive or constructive arguments or contributions to topics, instead of just trying to shut everyone and everything down.

I'm making constructive comments by giving a perspective outside of the blinkered reddit #gamergate "nerd culture", mentally constipated echo chamber everyone who participates in these arguments seems to be stuck in.

Just because I use sarcasm and try to talk like a normal person doesn't mean I'm not taking the argument seriously.
Title: Re: Batman versus Gamergate: The Legend of Jared Leto's Gold
Post by: PatMan33 on August 27, 2015, 10:07:25 am
I'm making constructive comments by giving a perspective outside of the blinkered reddit #gamergate "nerd culture", mentally constipated echo chamber everyone who participates in these arguments seems to be stuck in.

I think you're looking way into some of the stuff people are saying here. Most of what I am posting here is for parody purposes because it's funny/entertaining as ****. I'm not sure what ChiToes is going on about, I usually ignore his posts because he uses weird spacing. I use this thread to post things I deem "highly opinionated" and they are not necessarily about GG. My rationale is that nobody watches anything in the YouTube thread and the Politics thread is generally junk; so this thread is where you expect extreme crazy **** to go, so I put it here. :3

Because most of this is absolutely crazy. And entertaining. And I need to be entertained by other people being retarded.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KSJY0c8QWw

But also because of ethics in journalism.
Title: Re: Batman versus Gamergate: The Legend of Jared Leto's Gold
Post by: PatMan33 on August 27, 2015, 06:01:01 pm
Noooo! I love this thread. It's always full of entertaining things.

And some of them I genuinely agree with!
Title: Re: Batman versus Gamergate: The Legend of Jared Leto's Gold
Post by: PatMan33 on August 27, 2015, 08:17:42 pm
By the way I've been watching more of that Swedish guy. He's funny as ****!

Never thought I'd enjoy a Swede.
Title: Re: Batman versus Gamergate: The Legend of Jared Leto's Gold
Post by: Inkling on August 27, 2015, 10:51:51 pm
I will fight you.
Title: Re: Batman versus Gamergate: The Legend of Jared Leto's Gold
Post by: Pixxel on August 28, 2015, 03:03:50 am
Never thought I'd enjoy a Swede.

oh? So all of those evenings together were a lie?
Title: Re: Batman versus Gamergate: The Legend of Jared Leto's Gold
Post by: PatMan33 on August 28, 2015, 06:24:13 am
A sweet, sweet lie.
Title: Re: Batman versus Gamergate: The Legend of Jared Leto's Gold
Post by: PatMan33 on August 28, 2015, 09:47:31 am
Hey speaking of internet drama and insanity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yrOnhbsZqE

This just keeps getting better. Guy doesn't know when to quit.
Title: Re: Batman versus Gamergate: The Legend of Jared Leto's Gold
Post by: Celdur on August 28, 2015, 10:58:54 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hva4EccGWV8

gamergate confirmed for terrorisms
Title: Re: Batman versus Gamergate: The Legend of Jared Leto's Gold
Post by: Rysworld on August 29, 2015, 03:05:32 am
Oh my god, ****ing Sam Hyde is involved in this?

Oh man certain people are going to throw a ****fit.
Title: Re: Batman versus Gamergate: The Legend of Jared Leto's Gold
Post by: PatMan33 on August 29, 2015, 06:52:04 am
lolwut

Better late than never, I guess.
Title: Re: Batman versus Gamergate: The Legend of Jared Leto's Gold
Post by: PatMan33 on September 01, 2015, 08:44:39 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuEOj7yROaU

:3
Title: Re: Batman versus Gamergate: The Legend of Jared Leto's Gold
Post by: PatMan33 on September 03, 2015, 09:38:50 am
(http://i.imgur.com/19oyN8q.jpg) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPKOSvo3AJM (http://i.imgur.com/4Rm88ag.gif)
(http://i.imgur.com/sHy50hm.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/ISilWnx.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/aT3q9Dc.png) (http://i.imgur.com/99QSNzf.gif) (http://i.imgur.com/r2kPAgM.gif)
Title: Re: Batman versus Gamergate: The Legend of Jared Leto's Gold
Post by: Gauphastus on September 03, 2015, 03:34:25 pm
uhhhhhhh

yeah me too

(http://i.imgur.com/SFP5peX.jpg)
Title: Re: Batman versus Gamergate: The Legend of Jared Leto's Gold
Post by: Krakow Sam on September 03, 2015, 03:37:59 pm
Pat its time we started taking the medication that controls out dissociative identity disorder again.

(http://i.imgur.com/NqWfNHB.jpg)
Title: Re: Batman versus Gamergate: The Legend of Jared Leto's Gold
Post by: PatMan33 on September 03, 2015, 06:22:36 pm
Beware the ear poison.

Also you get a practice swing.
Title: Re: Batman versus Gamergate: The Legend of Jared Leto's Gold
Post by: Inkling on September 03, 2015, 08:44:32 pm
It's sockpuppets all the way down.
Title: Re: Batman versus Gamergate: The Legend of Jared Leto's Gold
Post by: PatMan33 on September 08, 2015, 07:37:34 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Niiuf8vl1ps

PREEEEEEEEEEEON!!!
Title: Re: Batman versus Gamergate: The Legend of Jared Leto's Gold
Post by: Brandonazz on September 17, 2015, 11:28:08 pm
That was a pretty good analysis.
Title: Re: Batman versus Gamergate: The Legend of Jared Leto's Gold
Post by: PatMan33 on September 23, 2015, 08:02:45 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsyoK02F27E

IDDLE
Title: Re: Kramer Versus Kramergate
Post by: PatMan33 on September 27, 2015, 11:05:28 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KFz9WRRNpk

:333333333

Additionally, Foursquare terrifies me. It has continuously blown my mind at just how many of my friends willingly give out their exact coordinates to this company so that said company can track them and build a record of their habits. It's absolutely horrifying. Now with extra chan!
Title: Re: Kramer Versus Kramergate
Post by: Inkling on September 28, 2015, 08:07:37 pm
Haven't watched these most recent videos yet but I absolutely agree with you on Foursquare.  Not even going into activities of the company, announcing to the world your habits and most frequented locations seems like a really dumb idea.  But on the other hand, you could be Mayor of a Starbucks.
Title: Re: Kramer Versus Kramergate
Post by: eropS on September 28, 2015, 08:16:11 pm
honestly if you google maps enough places im sure google has exactly that on almost every android user

Im sure both google and waze know where I work, live, where my gf lives, works, where I like to eat lunch the most, how often I leave work early, etc.
Title: Re: Kramer Versus Kramergate
Post by: PatMan33 on October 01, 2015, 08:23:34 pm
A Wild Chris Roberts Appears! (https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/14979-Chairmans-Response-To-The-Escapist)

:DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD!
Title: Re: Kramer Versus Kramergate
Post by: PatMan33 on October 01, 2015, 09:15:18 pm
Yeah it's great!
Title: Re: Kramer Versus Kramergate
Post by: Krakow Sam on October 02, 2015, 12:14:40 am
Sounds like more sambait drama...

Right and the fact it's really happening proves my point. Hurr.
Title: Re: Kramer Versus Kramergate
Post by: PatMan33 on October 03, 2015, 01:33:06 pm
But... but... they survived online harassment.
Title: Re: Kramer Versus Kramergate
Post by: Inkling on October 03, 2015, 11:33:12 pm
I think the pictures and story spoke for themselves, without jazzing it up with Mr. Commander.
Title: Re: Kramer Versus Kramergate
Post by: Pixxel on October 04, 2015, 02:25:30 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEXurYaIHao

Why not just stick to the original script? :-/
Title: Re: Kramer Versus Kramergate
Post by: PatMan33 on October 04, 2015, 10:34:55 am
Gotta take what you can get, right?

 :o
Title: Re: Kramer Versus Kramergate
Post by: Inkling on October 07, 2015, 10:26:03 pm
So it turns out that the UN is sorry.

https://archive.is/sVG61

For the record, bullying and harassment online is of course a problem.  And I didn't see who was involved in this thing other than our favorite internet celebrities pictured above.  But that citation work would've gotten me a failing grade in high school.
Title: Re: Kramer Versus Kramergate
Post by: PatMan33 on October 08, 2015, 09:31:25 am
Nothing stops the thoughtcrime train. Wonder what the revision will look like. Been somewhat following the story of that Bahar lady that got arrested because of the killallmen hashtag thing. Which is of course nuts. It's cathartic to see the thought police have their own junk turned against him, but damn. That's messed up. No reason to start criminal proceedings for her own stupidity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gHJoi2hpWw

I agree with you, Ink. Cyberbullying is a problem. What it is doing to our middle and high school aged students needs to be fixed somehow. However, I don't think it is much of a problem when the person is a highly opinionated public figure trying to shut down disagreement. Morons throwing around death threats notwithstanding.
Title: Re: Kramer Versus Kramergate
Post by: Krakow Sam on October 08, 2015, 10:09:59 am
I think that depends on whether you're the 15 year old with no friends and mental health problems being driven to suicide by a bunch of little psychopaths at your school, no?
Title: Re: Kramer Versus Kramergate
Post by: PatMan33 on October 08, 2015, 07:04:45 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lzMslLyReY
Title: Re: Kramer Versus Kramergate
Post by: Inkling on October 27, 2015, 04:23:33 pm
Oh boy you guys guess what's back in the news!

http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2015/10/27/452316275/sxsw-pulls-sessions-on-gaming-culture-after-threats-of-violence

http://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/media-companies-buzzfeed-vox-threaten-withdraw-sxsw-over-cancelled-panels-n452476

Somehow I suspect Buzzfeed and Vox are more concerned with one panel being cancelled than the other.
Title: Re: Kramer Versus Kramergate
Post by: eropS on October 27, 2015, 04:55:56 pm
People are such pussies
Title: Re: Kramer Versus Kramergate
Post by: Inkling on October 27, 2015, 06:40:07 pm
Especially Texans.
Title: Re: Kramer Versus Kramergate
Post by: PatMan33 on October 27, 2015, 07:46:30 pm
People are such pussies

You've triggered me.

You lose your right to talk. I am now King Victim.
Title: Re: Kramer Versus Kramergate
Post by: Krakow Sam on October 28, 2015, 01:46:18 am
You've offended me, Sam.
...

But I also think you've completely misunderstood and misrepresented what I said, and I am personally offended by some of your claims.
...

You can check your [privilege]

(http://i.imgur.com/Y1tGNKt.png)
Title: Re: Kramer Versus Kramergate
Post by: PatMan33 on October 28, 2015, 09:41:26 am
Or to put it more simply:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kJ-Pe0VVhY
Title: Re: Kramer Versus Kramergate
Post by: PatMan33 on November 10, 2015, 02:26:21 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/5FQjS4T.jpg)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTSA_sWGM44
Title: Re: Kramer Versus Kramergate
Post by: Inkling on November 10, 2015, 03:08:30 pm
Good grief #gamergate, at least come up with a logo.  Bunch of slacker terrorists.
Title: Re: Kramer Versus Kramergate
Post by: PatMan33 on November 27, 2015, 08:43:25 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhL40L_VPYI

Preon Rektango spitting some more truth!
Title: Re: Kramer Versus Kramergate
Post by: Krakow Sam on December 07, 2015, 10:44:20 am
http://www.theguardian.com/science/brain-flapping/2015/dec/07/most-racist-psychology-groups-extremism-politics?CMP=share_btn_fb
Title: Re: Gamergate: War on Christmas Edition
Post by: PatMan33 on December 07, 2015, 11:04:23 am
Compromise has become a four-letter-word. It is seen as weakness.

You can't compromise or try to reason with people. That's what a pussie does. You want to win, right? You have to win. Harden your point and stand your ground and beat the other opinion down any way you can. Social media and the media environment help reinforce this insane notion. Jenny doesn't know anything about geopolitics but she has an opinion and a Twitter account with ten thousand followers. Therefore, Jenny's opinion must have weight and so the insane media give Jenny airtime to voice her irrelevant opinion to an even larger audience, giving her the semblance of legitimacy.

People will **** on the news media all day, all the time. But as soon as someone appears on the news they are legitimized.

It's totally contradictory. Society is all mixed up and has no idea how to think anymore. They see someone say something on the news (a source they will tell you they have no respect for) and inexplicably accept what they hear as legitimate. It creates a feedback loop of idiots that strengthens irrelevant narratives and ideas.

You saw it happen with all angles of GamerGate. The pro and anti camps all got on board with a narrative and some people were genuine and some people were gaming the system for their own ends. Which ever they happened to be, the loudest ones with the most media-savvy were the ones that got seen as "correct", while a lot of the educated and insightful people were ignored.

I wish people would value objectivity and be willing to put themselves in the shoes of others. When I try to have discussion with some of my friends it becomes difficult because they aren't necessarily willing to try to understand other viewpoints. They're fine with me when I put myself in their shoes and try to reason out their point of view, but then become defensive when I try to put myself in the position of another viewpoint to reason out that view. As if a differing opinion or point of view is somehow dangerous.

Objectivity is dying. The extreme right and extreme left are beating it down in the middle of the street and the media are happily covering it and stoking the fires for ratings.

I liked your article, Sam. What did you think about it?
Title: Re: Gamergate: War on Christmas Edition
Post by: Krakow Sam on December 07, 2015, 02:18:29 pm
I liked your article, Sam. What did you think about it?

It was good. Explained a lot of the stuff you see online, and even if you know about this sort of thing it's very hard to break out of the habit. I think at a certain point there's a big part of us which is just a particularly sociable monkey, and it's very difficult to break free of it. I think we're probably one of the only animals around that feels something like physical pain from being socially accepted, and who can be goaded into actual violence by insults that have no real threat to back them up.
Title: Re: Gamergate: War on Christmas Edition
Post by: PatMan33 on December 07, 2015, 07:05:44 pm
I agree with that.

That said, I also feel like a lot of us are in a unique position. We've been online longer than a lot of the mainstream and might or might not have a better idea about what certain things mean and how to respond to them. It's certainly not foolproof. But when I look at our community and the way it has responded to a lot of the more-recent rumblings online, we tend to know when someone is being a doofus for the sake of getting views. I think where it gets away from a lot of us is that while we might goad them on to see what happens or to get "the lulz", we didn't anticipate some segments of people to take this stuff seriously and actually manage to enact real-world reactions/change from it.

Also, nuke the browns.
Title: Re: Gamergate: War on Christmas Edition
Post by: Inkling on December 07, 2015, 07:41:50 pm
With a 2-10 record, it would probably be merciful.  Cleveland has it bad enough as it is.
Title: Re: Gamergate: War on Christmas Edition
Post by: eropS on December 07, 2015, 07:53:00 pm
Boom roasted
Title: Re: Gamergate: War on Christmas Edition
Post by: PatMan33 on March 31, 2016, 12:50:34 pm
Hey look! Gamergate stuff!

NINTENDO EDITION.

http://imgur.com/Bzcgre5
Title: Re: Gamergate: War on Christmas Edition
Post by: PatMan33 on May 06, 2016, 12:03:45 pm
Something that disappoints me.

I've noticed that several people left the forum around the time that this event was happening and have not been back. This is very lame. Maybe it is a coincidence, maybe not. But if someone left this community because they didn't like the discussion at the time, that really sucks and makes me sad. I know it got contentious at some points, but I don't remember people going over the line. :(
Title: Re: Gamergate: War on Christmas Edition
Post by: eropS on May 06, 2016, 12:14:55 pm
Pretty sure they left because of this thread in fact haha, you can find a few oldies in here where there last post is along the lines of screw you guys I'm going home
Title: Re: Gamergate: War on Christmas Edition
Post by: PatMan33 on May 06, 2016, 12:18:58 pm
Yeah.

I feel like we've had massive disagreements over the years and still come out okay. Look at the RP section. :UUU We're all friends at the end of the day but we can have different opinions and then go play TF2 after or something. Sam and I disagree in the politics topics all the time and then we go play Netrunner and it's cool because there's more to it than just some dumb political issue.
Title: Re: Gamergate: War on Christmas Edition
Post by: Inkling on May 06, 2016, 03:55:45 pm
Are you proposing an errant member hunting party?  You can restrain Didero while I make him eat the turkey sandwich.
Title: Re: Gamergate: War on Christmas Edition
Post by: /lurk on May 06, 2016, 04:33:26 pm
Maybe it's not that bad.




Maybe he died.


Edit: I guess a ghost must have stolen his Steam account.
Title: Re: Gamergate: War on Christmas Edition
Post by: PatMan33 on May 06, 2016, 11:53:54 pm
Or... guys what if it is a skeleton?
Title: Re: Gamergate: War on Christmas Edition
Post by: Tesla on May 07, 2016, 11:09:03 am
hello i am skeliton
Title: Re: Gamergate: War on Christmas Edition
Post by: Ultimatum on May 07, 2016, 11:11:17 am
Are you proposing an errant member hunting party?  You can restrain Didero while I make him eat the turkey sandwich.

how do we go about getting Plank of wood back
Title: Re: Gamergate: War on Christmas Edition
Post by: PatMan33 on May 07, 2016, 11:13:52 am
Oh I just asked him and he came back the one time. And I think that was after all of this.

Think he's just busy.
Title: Re: Gamergate: War on Christmas Edition
Post by: Brandonazz on May 09, 2016, 07:20:27 pm
Are you proposing an errant member hunting party?  You can restrain Didero while I make him eat the turkey sandwich.

I'll get the torches, pitchforks, zipties, bread, and deli turkey.
Title: Re: Gamergate: War on Christmas Edition
Post by: PatMan33 on August 31, 2016, 09:16:26 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3hIS-3r3pQ

Another leak, another update. This is kinda interesting. Seems to be more "told you so" kind of stuff, rather than anything new. Neat nonetheless. I'm just glad some of these people are out of games journalism now.

(http://i.imgur.com/dwthH9E.gif)
Title: Re: Gamergate: Back to School Edition. Safe Space Violators will be Reeducated
Post by: Inkling on August 31, 2016, 05:37:34 pm
Two and a half hours of reading chat logs?  Neato.  Can I get a summary?
Title: Re: Gamergate: Back to School Edition. Safe Space Violators will be Reeducated
Post by: PatMan33 on August 31, 2016, 11:13:14 pm
Some mildly interesting factoids from the "other side of the coin" and two YouTube personalities being dicks.
Title: Re: Gamergate: War on Christmas Edition
Post by: Plank of Wood on September 01, 2016, 03:57:29 am
Are you proposing an errant member hunting party?  You can restrain Didero while I make him eat the turkey sandwich.

how do we go about getting Plank of wood back

never
Title: Re: Gamergate: Back to School Edition. Safe Space Violators will be Reeducated
Post by: /lurk on September 01, 2016, 05:14:14 am
Quick before he gets away

(http://i.imgur.com/pdUBzMQ.jpg)
Title: Re: Gamergate: Back to School Edition. Safe Space Violators will be Reeducated
Post by: Plank of Wood on September 01, 2016, 05:50:22 am
(http://www.littleredlanguages.co.uk/useruploads/images/fish_escape.png)


Reading through the thread and old me was obnoxious as fluck lmao.
Title: Re: Gamergate: Back to School Edition. Safe Space Violators will be Reeducated
Post by: PatMan33 on September 01, 2016, 08:54:43 am
Ah but it was fun! Or something. :3
Title: Re: Gamergate: Back to School Edition. Safe Space Violators will be Reeducated
Post by: Krakow Sam on September 02, 2016, 09:43:40 am
I thought Gamergate killed Games Journalism for good and now we just talk about games and read blogs and make fun of E3 livestreams?

Title: Re: Gamergate: Back to School Edition. Safe Space Violators will be Reeducated
Post by: Yokto on September 03, 2016, 01:52:54 am
Like I have said before. Both sides are dumb. Game journalism have always been a corrupt vile nest of crap. And we should move on like Sam says.

(Not to say that all gaming media is crap. But just avoid the part that is and move on.)
Title: Re: Gamergate: Back to School Edition. Safe Space Violators will be Reeducated
Post by: PatMan33 on September 03, 2016, 04:36:54 am
Like I have said before. Both sides are dumb. Game journalism have always been a corrupt vile nest of crap. And we should move on like Sam says.

(http://i.imgur.com/QehhPGv.gif)
Title: Re: Gamergate: Back to School Edition. Safe Space Violators will be Reeducated
Post by: Krakow Sam on September 04, 2016, 12:30:16 pm
Animated gifs make me want to be dead.


(haha not really, I love them)
Title: Re: Gamergate: Back to School Edition. Safe Space Violators will be Reeducated
Post by: PatMan33 on September 04, 2016, 01:26:59 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/mpBbLwf.jpg)
Title: Re: Gamergate: Back to School Edition. Safe Space Violators will be Reeducated
Post by: Krakow Sam on September 04, 2016, 01:45:19 pm
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAAAA.
Title: Re: Gamergate: Back to School Edition. Safe Space Violators will be Reeducated
Post by: Ultimatum on September 04, 2016, 01:47:02 pm
who the hell are they supposed to be?
Title: Re: Gamergate: Back to School Edition. Safe Space Violators will be Reeducated
Post by: Krakow Sam on September 04, 2016, 02:07:30 pm
God damn it Ulti do you even read our posts or pay any attention to important cultural figures???
Title: Re: Gamergate: Back to School Edition. Safe Space Violators will be Reeducated
Post by: Ultimatum on September 04, 2016, 02:12:09 pm
No,I dont read your stupid posts
Title: Re: Gamergate: Back to School Edition. Safe Space Violators will be Reeducated
Post by: Krakow Sam on September 04, 2016, 02:24:29 pm
He's not reading the posts Pat, it's a safe channel to discuss the formula.
Title: Re: Gamergate: Back to School Edition. Safe Space Violators will be Reeducated
Post by: PatMan33 on September 04, 2016, 02:56:29 pm
We should start with inhibitors in this order:

gamma paul alpha theta
Title: Re: Gamergate: Back to School Edition. Safe Space Violators will be Reeducated
Post by: Krakow Sam on September 05, 2016, 03:14:22 am
Yes, but when do we introduce the Stygia Factor?
Title: Re: Gamergate: Back to School Edition. Safe Space Violators will be Reeducated
Post by: PatMan33 on September 05, 2016, 03:41:15 am
I theorize that the moment will become clear to us. Possibly when everything is bolded, or vice versa.
Title: Re: Gamergate: Back to School Edition. Safe Space Violators will be Reeducated
Post by: Person21 on September 13, 2016, 12:14:29 pm
I thought Gamergate killed Games Journalism for good and now we just talk about games and read blogs and make fun of E3 livestreams?

I thought Hulk Hogan killed it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-paa3wwGWww
Title: Re: Gamergate: Back to School Edition. Safe Space Violators will be Reeducated
Post by: /lurk on September 14, 2016, 05:07:43 am
Just talking about games and reading blogs and making fun of E3 livestreams was what we were doing before.

Games journalism tore itself apart trying to fight a frog too smug to be defeated. In the end, Gamergate didn't actually have to do very much.
Title: Re: Gamergate: Back to School Edition. Safe Space Violators will be Reeducated
Post by: PatMan33 on September 14, 2016, 05:32:35 am
Just sit back and watch as the attention they draw to themselves makes more people realize how dumb they are.
Title: Re: Gamergate: Back to School Edition. Safe Space Violators will be Reeducated
Post by: Tesla on September 14, 2016, 05:52:10 am
In the end, Gamergate didn't actually have to do very much.
Title: Re: Gamergate: Back to School Edition. Safe Space Violators will be Reeducated
Post by: Celdur on September 14, 2016, 09:22:01 am
7 figures mother****er.
Title: Re: Gamergate: Back to School Edition. Safe Space Violators will be Reeducated
Post by: PatMan33 on September 14, 2016, 11:08:31 am
7 figures mother****er.

YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
Title: Re: Gamergate: War on Festivus Edition
Post by: Inkling on December 14, 2016, 09:56:32 pm
Hey, guess what found a way to piggyback on current events?  I'm almost disappointed in myself for not seeing this coming.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/12/14/if-we-took-gamergate-harassment-seriously-pizzagate-might-never-have-happened/

And as an extra bonus, whatever the hell manthreading is:

http://archive.is/qQaMk
Title: Re: Gamergate: War on Festivus Edition
Post by: PatMan33 on December 14, 2016, 10:03:04 pm
Manthreading lmfao
Title: Re: Gamergate: War on Festivus Edition
Post by: Inkling on December 14, 2016, 10:21:22 pm
I thought it was going to be about declaring threads over after someone makes a great post.  But no, it was even dumber than that.
Title: Re: Gamergate: War on Festivus Edition
Post by: Krakow Sam on December 15, 2016, 01:17:49 am
These things are getting so stupid I can't tell if they're actually false flag articles by secret Fedoras or real articles written by idiots.
Title: Re: Gamergate: War on Festivus Edition
Post by: Pixxel on December 15, 2016, 02:14:07 am
Poe's law in full effect it seems.
Title: Re: Gamergate: War on Festivus Edition
Post by: PatMan33 on December 15, 2016, 08:03:53 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nP2DofH9d2k
Title: Re: Gamergate: War on Festivus Edition
Post by: /lurk on December 15, 2016, 08:33:22 am
These things are getting so stupid I can't tell if they're actually false flag articles by secret Fedoras or real articles written by idiots.

That's been the state of videogame journalism since the early 00's.

Before then it was just magazines.
Title: Re: Gamergate: War on Festivus Edition
Post by: PatMan33 on December 15, 2016, 08:34:02 am
Also known as "old fashioned" corruption.
Title: Re: Gamergate: War on Festivus Edition
Post by: eropS on December 15, 2016, 06:12:26 pm
New school corruption so fresh and in your face it dares you to call it corruption while actively doing corrupt things
Title: Re: Gamergate: War on Festivus Edition
Post by: Gauphastus on December 21, 2016, 08:29:11 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T77frLL_bsg

dumbdumbdumbdumbdumbdumbdumbdumbdumbdumbdumbdumbdumbdumbdumb
dumbdumbdumbdumbdumbdumbdumbdumbdumbdumbdumbdumbdumbdumbdumb

(http://i.imgur.com/6z8zGoL.gif)
Title: Re: Gamergate: War on Festivus Edition
Post by: PatMan33 on December 21, 2016, 09:15:34 pm
GOD DAMN WOMEN.

****ING KNEW IT. THEY RUINED EVERYTHING AGAIN.
Title: Re: Gamergate: War on Festivus Edition
Post by: Gauphastus on December 21, 2016, 09:37:16 pm
For real though it's another thing that's so retarded that I can't tell if it's parody or not.
I'm leaning towards no because people are garbage. But this is maybe too much garbage?

I dunno, man.
Title: Re: Gamergate: War on Festivus Edition
Post by: Inkling on December 21, 2016, 10:03:38 pm
Yay manspreading again.  I like this topic because it has zero relevance to my life.  I'm out in the suburbs.  I drive places or get a ride with a friend, I don't take public transport.  A manspreading rant is as relevant to me as a manifesto on sexist fishing practices in the Amazon basin.  Could be a huge problem, could be completely made up, I wouldn't know either way.
Title: Re: Gamergate: War on Festivus Edition
Post by: Krakow Sam on December 22, 2016, 02:35:19 am
I thought manspreading was pretty comprehensively shut down when someone pointed out women put their handbags on the seat next to them.
Title: Re: Gamergate: War on Festivus Edition
Post by: PatMan33 on December 22, 2016, 08:19:35 am
Turns out people like their personal space and enjoy explaining things to other people. We never had to blame these things on men in the first place.
Title: Re: Gamergate: War on Festivus Edition
Post by: Yokto on December 22, 2016, 10:34:57 am
Oh that is not a issue here in Sweden. Here in Sweden we do not sit next to each other.  ;)
Title: Re: Gamergate: War on Festivus Edition
Post by: Gungnir on December 22, 2016, 01:11:04 pm
I'm pretty sure manspreading isn't even a thing most people complain about. It just seems that way because whenever someone on the fringe does, it blows up and gets attention. It isn't worth paying attention to.

That said, I do occasionally ride the tram next to guys who have their knees really far apart, but it doesn't exactly happen much more often than someone carrying a massive bag in their lap that takes up roughly the same amount of space. And it's usually a moot point anyway, because within a stop or two I need to stand up to make room for a limping granny.
Title: Re: Gamergate: War on Festivus Edition
Post by: Krakow Sam on December 23, 2016, 06:41:53 am
Granspreading.  >:(

Fight the geriarchy! Show the elderly how their privilege hurts the people around them. We can't keep letting them get away with this.
Title: Re: Gamergate: Was it Trump All Along?
Post by: PatMan33 on February 01, 2017, 05:18:04 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDnx_m9Z-fM

Oh man I miss Anita. She's looking nice!! :)
Title: Re: Gamergate: War on Festivus Edition
Post by: PatMan33 on March 13, 2017, 09:07:51 pm
hahaha oh man I love johntron.
Title: Re: Gamergate: War on Festivus Edition
Post by: Gauphastus on March 13, 2017, 09:28:52 pm
That guy is kind of a dummy.
I still like him but some of the stuff he said in that thing seems pretty hard to defend. Might excuse it as someone talking about stuff he knows very little about.
But I don't know anything about anything either so whatever.

Go review Banjo Tooie or something, dude. God damn.
Title: Re: Gamergate: War on Festivus Edition
Post by: PatMan33 on March 13, 2017, 09:30:37 pm
On the other hand, I hope he keeps going because I don't follow him for his political views. I follow him for his games content and the ****show that follows him around. Love you, Jon!

>lol
Title: Re: Gamergate: War on Festivus Edition
Post by: Inkling on March 13, 2017, 09:31:17 pm
It's like when the Dixie Chicks got themselves in trouble.  Know your audience and stick to your area of expertise.
Title: Re: Gamergate: War on Festivus Edition
Post by: PatMan33 on March 13, 2017, 09:32:05 pm
I like the idea of Jon not giving a crap and just doing whatever.

Screw the fakers. I'll take you flaws, Hitler, and all.
Title: Re: Gamergate: War on Festivus Edition
Post by: Gauphastus on March 13, 2017, 09:34:44 pm
I'd tend to agree. But I hope the guy betters himself by studying up a bit before trying to debate again.
I like him too much to enjoy the schadenfreude.
Title: Re: Gamergate: War on Festivus Edition
Post by: PatMan33 on March 13, 2017, 09:36:05 pm
It sounds like he's a little misinformed and a little overcorrecting. Great mix, leads to the best ****shows.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n3ZzWKXaU4
Title: Re: Gamergate: War on Festivus Edition
Post by: Gauphastus on March 13, 2017, 09:42:30 pm
He's always kinda been like that though, kinda silly and bombastic. He used to word things terribly or make crude jokes that didn't quite land.
Works better in a comedy setting but much less in an actual discussion based in fact.
I know Jon is frustrated and really wants to strike back at all the nonsense but it seems misguided.
Title: Re: Gamergate: War on Festivus Edition
Post by: PatMan33 on March 13, 2017, 09:46:40 pm
Yeah it probably is. But he'll probably land on his feet with a fanbase.

This is why people need to re-learn how to talk to each other again. Seems like a lot of people feel like they "can't talk" to "the other side" or whatever; then when they do talk, it all comes out at once in a big, inarticulate mess.

Then again, "the man" wants you to passionately and recklessly debate a pre-selected array of issues. Stick to those and ignore what's going on over here.
Title: Re: Gamergate: War on Festivus Edition
Post by: Celdur on March 13, 2017, 10:48:48 pm
what is this about? some twitter thing?
Title: Re: Gamergate: War on Festivus Edition
Post by: Gauphastus on March 13, 2017, 11:15:58 pm
Nah, he did a stream with some other guy who is apparently known for being kinda disagreeable.
But because Jon's arguments were so terrible everyone was easily begrudgingly siding with the other guy, at least in terms of being able to argue points.
Jon was pretty self-assured with some of the nonsense he was saying. I only saw snippets because in truth I really don't care that much besides being disappointed that a comedy content creator decided to dive headlong into politics.
Title: Re: Gamergate: War on Festivus Edition
Post by: PatMan33 on March 13, 2017, 11:43:12 pm
Welcome to [current year], where everything is political.

Did you know that for the three hours I listened to NPR today, literally (LITERALLY) every story they discussed across three different hour-long shows made every single topic about race. Everything! They do it every day. Everything! It's nuts. And it's not just them, but NPR is definitely one of the worst after FOX News. They're striving to look at every issue through the lens of race or gender or oppression and no ****ing wonder nobody is happy anymore and everyone is fighting.

 ::)
Title: Re: Gamergate: War on Festivus Edition
Post by: Inkling on March 13, 2017, 11:58:54 pm
Dunno which shows you were listening or what topics they were talking about but Rep. King gave them a big excuse to talk about race in at least one context.
Title: Re: Gamergate: War on Festivus Edition
Post by: Krakow Sam on March 14, 2017, 02:26:57 am
Welcome to [current year], where everything is political.

Did you know that for the three hours I listened to NPR today, literally (LITERALLY) every story they discussed across three different hour-long shows made every single topic about race. Everything! They do it every day. Everything! It's nuts. And it's not just them, but NPR is definitely one of the worst after FOX News. They're striving to look at every issue through the lens of race or gender or oppression and no ****ing wonder nobody is happy anymore and everyone is fighting.

 ::)

Well unfortunately there still are big problems around race and gender but because the regressive ****lords decide to attack well-meaning people and make mountains out of micromolehills the real problems get obfuscated and it seems like a lot of fuss is being made over nothing. Yeah there are way more black people in poverty than white people in America but CHECK IT OUT some white lady made a joke about AIDS on twitter, let's ruin her life :D
Title: Re: Gamergate: War on Festivus Edition
Post by: /lurk on March 14, 2017, 03:41:39 am
Yeah there are way more black people in poverty than white people in America but CHECK IT OUT some white lady made a joke about AIDS on twitter, let's ruin her life :D

26% of 12% is still less than 10% of 72%. Making race a factor in your anti-poverty policy (implying the USA has a poverty reduction policy) only divides people and distracts from treating the root cause of poverty: Not having enough money. There's no gene for that.

Unless you meant that there are more black people in poverty (in the world) compared to white people in America (in total) in which case that's probably true, but I don't see why you'd be comparing those numbers unless you're complaining about excessive first-world consumption of resources.
Title: Re: Gamergate: War on Festivus Edition
Post by: Gungnir on March 14, 2017, 04:19:59 am
edit: nevermind i'm not getting into this argument
Title: Re: Gamergate: War on Festivus Edition
Post by: PatMan33 on March 14, 2017, 06:53:06 am
But Lurk is right when he says it is about poverty and money. We can frame it as a race issue, but that doesn't help get things solved because clearly as a society we can't handle framing things as a race issue anymore. That moniker is used and abused and toxic. The facts of the matter are that it is always poor people getting screwed over and it is always rich people getting away with crime. There is no fairness and so there is anger and animosity.

Framing every issue as a race or gender issue only ensures that a solution will never be found amidst the bickering. That's the tactic.

Dunno which shows you were listening or what topics they were talking about but Rep. King gave them a big excuse to talk about race in at least one context.

Radio Times, The Takeaway, and 1A. Any issue they talk about, they frame it through race and gender issues and they haven't been able to have a proper discussion on anything. I'm not suggesting that they need to stop framing issues this way. What I am suggesting is that perhaps you start to poison the well beyond a certain point and that it is worthwhile to look at other issues. The issue of poverty is touched on, but only ever as a race or gender issue. You'd think there were no poor white people the way they talk on these shows. And by neglecting that aspect of poverty makes it easy to frame it all up and blame it on race.

It's dumb and unhealthy.
Title: Re: Gamergate: War on Festivus Edition
Post by: Inkling on March 14, 2017, 09:20:19 am
At least Diane Rehm finally retired.  Not sure how she did a radio show for so long without having a functional voice.
Title: Re: Gamergate: War on Festivus Edition
Post by: PatMan33 on March 14, 2017, 10:42:35 am
See, we never got her show in my region. But we do get the show that replaced her. Admittedly, 1A is an interesting show and seems to handle its debates much better than The Takeaway. And then Radio Times is a locally produced show about local issues. They used to do very very good work, but lately it's all been a bit meh.
Title: Re: Gamergate: War on Festivus Edition
Post by: Krakow Sam on March 14, 2017, 04:33:28 pm
Now we have THREE politics threads.

I predict by the end of the year most of the heavily trafficked boards will be solid politics with a few holdout bands of survivors huddling in the spore forum and forum games trying to stay out of it.
Title: Re: Gamergate: War on Festivus Edition
Post by: PatMan33 on March 14, 2017, 05:03:39 pm
Forum games is the most political board on this forum.
Title: Re: Gamergate: War on Festivus Edition
Post by: Plank of Wood on March 14, 2017, 05:41:03 pm
Honestly any content creator that isn't Northernlion is garbage anyway.
Title: Re: Gamergate: War on Festivus Edition
Post by: eropS on March 14, 2017, 08:23:12 pm
I like quill and arumba... I liky the paradox
Title: Re: Gamergate: War on Festivus Edition
Post by: Plank of Wood on March 14, 2017, 08:39:53 pm
Yeah they're good, but they're not Northernlion. sorry, I don't make the rules
Title: Re: Gamergate: War on Festivus Edition
Post by: PatMan33 on March 24, 2017, 06:56:46 am
Had to listen to this on the radio this morning: http://www.newsworks.org/index.php/thepulse/item/102358-game-designer-wants-to-take-her-cultural-critique-to-congress

Literally who??

And don't think she can't win. Anything is possible. :U
Title: Re: Gamergate: War on Festivus Edition
Post by: Brandonazz on March 24, 2017, 11:12:30 am
If Democrats start going full SJW then I will threaten to register with a third party but not do it because then I'd just be giving my vote in the primaries to them.
Title: Re: Gamergate: War on Festivus Edition
Post by: PatMan33 on March 24, 2017, 01:26:36 pm
because then I'd just be giving my vote in the primaries to them.

They've got us trapped!