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Title: Star Trek XII: So very Tired
Post by: Cobra on June 09, 2013, 03:06:36 am
Ok they made it to the 12th one, wondering if anyone has seen it yet? I saw it the other night and have to say I really really enjoyed it with out going to deep into spoilers I seriously enjoyed all the references and homages to wrath of kahn. left in spoiler tags because in to darkness is a whole plot reference to it.

It's been a while since I really was much into Star Trek it's not like the franchise has been to active mostly just the MMO and I never got round to that. Still both movies have been pretty solid to me.
Title: Re: Star Trek XII: So very Tired
Post by: Krakow Sam on June 09, 2013, 05:38:10 am
I loved the first Abrams Trek. Into Darkness was acceptable but I just felt the whole way through that it could have been so much better. While the villain is really cool and the plot is sort of interesting, I don't think it really takes many risks, and the whole reverse Spock/Kirk scene was just transparent fan pandering. Particularly when Spock yells "KHAAAAAAAAAAN!!!", which really came across more funny than dramatic. Also that entire scene was totally robbed of any impact because we all knew Kirk was going to be miraculously brought back by Khan's special plot blood.
Title: Re: Star Trek XII: So very Tired
Post by: Inkling on June 09, 2013, 08:06:25 am
Well, is there any way for them to have made it look like Kirk was going to die that would have had impact?  He's the main character in what I'm sure will be a continuing franchise.  You can't kill off Kirk.
Title: Re: Star Trek XII: So very Tired
Post by: Cobra on June 09, 2013, 08:59:46 am
except for that movie where they did kill off kirk
Title: Re: Star Trek XII: So very Tired
Post by: Tesla on June 09, 2013, 11:33:52 am
except for that movie where they did kill off kirk

I don't think you need spoiler tags for that one. :P
Title: Re: Star Trek XII: So very Tired
Post by: Brandonazz on June 09, 2013, 02:00:07 pm
I really liked it. I've never actually seen all of ST2, so I was aware enough of the fan service to enjoy it without it being too stale.

I also saw it in imax 3d, though, and that tends to make movies seem even better than they actually are.
Title: Re: Star Trek XII: So very Tired
Post by: Cobra on June 14, 2013, 07:03:39 am
except for that movie where they did kill off kirk

I don't think you need spoiler tags for that one. :P

It was more for the fact that be spoiling that means I gave away whats under the spoiler tags of relating to in to darkness so for those who were avoiding into darkness spoilers i put them there.
Title: Re: Star Trek XII: So very Tired
Post by: Slinky on June 22, 2013, 10:06:19 am
The fanservice made me real happy. Overall, it was a bit on the actiony side for Star Trek (like the 2009 one) but still a really awesome movie. Plus there was Cumberbatch and he's great, so, yeah. 7.5/10.
Title: Re: Star Trek XII: So very Tired
Post by: Person21 on September 19, 2013, 10:54:09 pm
Har har. References and red shirt jokes.
Title: Re: Star Trek XII: So very Tired
Post by: Kitkat on September 19, 2013, 11:21:05 pm
So I saw this three times. It was good each time. But the harks back to STII were really heavy-handed and could have been done without, or done better. The effects were jaw-dropping. The cinematography was great as always, it's just little bits of the script and storyline that had issues.
Title: Re: Star Trek XII: So very Tired
Post by: Slinky on March 22, 2014, 07:20:33 am
ChiToes, your gripes are all valid, but keep in mind that they're just supposed to be dumb, fun, action movies and on that point they deliver.

Don't forget the MST3K Maxim.
Title: Re: Star Trek XII: So very Tired
Post by: Neoadept on March 22, 2014, 07:48:38 am
ChiToes, your gripes are all valid, but keep in mind that they're just supposed to be dumb, fun, action movies and on that point they deliver.
Actually, I'd say that's the biggest problem with the movie.

Dumb action movie is about as far from the spirit that Star Trek was made in as you can get.
Title: Re: Star Trek XII: So very Tired
Post by: Slinky on March 22, 2014, 08:48:06 am
ChiToes, your gripes are all valid, but keep in mind that they're just supposed to be dumb, fun, action movies and on that point they deliver.
Actually, I'd say that's the biggest problem with the movie.

Dumb action movie is about as far from the spirit that Star Trek was made in as you can get.

Well, of course, yes. But it's gonna be a while until we see any legitimate new entry in the Star Trek franchise (hopefully as a TV show, as that's the format it works best in). So, for now, the characters from the original are being used in an action context. It's not what was, but it's certainly a nod to it and I think that's alright.
Title: Re: Star Trek XII: So very Tired
Post by: Cobra on March 22, 2014, 11:33:12 pm
It's not the Star Trek we used to have but even with the inconsistencies with the prime universe they hold up as stand alone movies and are good action movies. In any case the TV series gave us threshold and most of Enterprise for all your betrayal needs.
Title: Re: Star Trek XII: So very Tired
Post by: Krakow Sam on March 23, 2014, 04:06:37 am
Also Neelix. Just, everything Neelix has ever been involved in.
Title: Re: Star Trek XII: So very Tired
Post by: Person21 on March 23, 2014, 07:44:17 am
Transporting to the Klingon Homeworld from Earth?  Star Trek didn't achieve this power even in TNG... and Khan stole it from Scotty!  So Khan had his hands on the cryogenic-pods and could hide them inside other technology, but couldn't figure out how to just escape with them.  Even Wesley Crusher could have done it... why not the superior Khan?
A shuttle from the Neutral Zone to the Klingon homeworld?  This is as weak sauce as the Transporter b.s. above.  The distances from Earth to the Neutral Zone and from the Neutral Zone to the Klingon homeworld are both far beyond the range of a transporter and a shuttle.  If you could take a shuttle that far and that fast, then you wouldn't need starships... because you could map the entire quadrant in shuttles.

It's been pretty obvious since the 09 film that the NuUniverse isn't a divergence from the Prime universe from when Spock fell through the blackish holeish thing, we can't assume anything we know about stellar cartography of the Old Universe carries over in the LensFlareVerse. It was also pretty obvious in the 09 film that they were more advanced than the prime universe circa ToS and most of the Space Travel breaking stuff just confirms it.
Title: Re: Star Trek XII: So very Tired
Post by: Krakow Sam on March 23, 2014, 08:20:11 am
Yeah in the first movie Spock basically gives Scotty a thirty year head-start on his transwarp beaming idea or something. That's why they can now transport to ships traveling at warp speed and complete other star systems.
Title: Re: Star Trek XII: So very Tired
Post by: Krakow Sam on March 23, 2014, 10:24:40 am
Yeah because classic trek science is so much better.

"lets slingshot around the sun to attain the speed required to go back in time"

"Oh no Spock needs surgery, nurse hand me the electrolytic cream"

"Its simple captain, their power to warp reality is dependent on simple growth hormone, which is why the dwarf didn't have superpowers"

100% consistent (and definitely not repeatedly changed in later series)
Title: Re: Star Trek XII: So very Tired
Post by: Person21 on March 23, 2014, 10:33:24 am
Yeah in the first movie Spock basically gives Scotty a thirty year head-start on his transwarp beaming idea or something. That's why they can now transport to ships traveling at warp speed and complete other star systems.
And the NuConnie is certainly bigger than Prime version (anywhere from PrimeConnie-Refit to larger than a PrimeGalaxy because consistency is hard) and the NuVerse people apparently find it easy enough to move into space from the ground under the sea, while I' pretty sure the Intrepids were the first ships of a similar size to a PrimeConnie that the PrimeFeddies bothered giving the ability to land in an atmosphere and those were so cutting edge experimental that they had a computer made from semen.
And while we're at it the cutting in 09 suggested that NuWarp is a lot fast than PrimeWarp.
Pretty much everything seems to point to the NuFeddies being more advanced than the PrimeFeddies even before Spock's interference. Except miniaturisation, NuStarfleet loves being big.



Illogical rationalization attempting to support muggle screenwriting: it is the Kessel Run all over again.  :P
What's Illogical about concluding that one group are more technologically advanced than another group from a different universe because they seem to be able to do more things with their tech?
And saying that you're wrong isn't the same as "supporting" someone you were criticising.
Title: Re: Star Trek XII: So very Tired
Post by: Neoadept on March 23, 2014, 10:37:56 am
Yeah, I can put up with a lot of bad science if they make it worth my while.

I can't put up with a second act that boils down to a worse version of Wrath of Khan.

Honestly, it would have been better if they'd dropped the twist and just focused on the Klingon situation.  Have John Harrison just be an extremist who wants to drag the Federation into war because he sees it as inevitable and wants first strike.  Playing on Kirk's impulsiveness by comparing the two would have made the villain miles more interesting, providing the sort of connection that this Khan was sorely lacking.
Title: Re: Star Trek XII: So very Tired
Post by: Person21 on March 23, 2014, 10:43:14 am
I can't put up with a second act that boils down to a worse version of Wrath of Khan.

But it was a Reference Neo! Market research tells me you nerds love pointless references because it makes you feel clever for getting them!
Title: Re: Star Trek XII: So very Tired
Post by: Krakow Sam on March 23, 2014, 12:27:37 pm
Yeah second act was donkey turds.

Though it was enjoyable watching Benedict Cumberbatch crush skulls with his bare hands.
Title: Re: Star Trek XII: So very Tired
Post by: Slinky on March 24, 2014, 03:52:09 pm
It was a movie that entertained me and so I personally like it.