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Title: Archaic Weapons Help!
Post by: Gnoll on June 28, 2011, 05:06:15 am
Ok, so after seeing the "Gun help!" thread, I got to thinking that I'll need a small, defensive armament at my side once I go into my field of choice, considering there are records of contemporary paleontology teams getting shot at. However, I don't think I'm ready for the recoil and other drawbacks of a gun, nor am I ready for the suspicion it will draw towards me. So, which archaic-style weapon do you think I could use best in light of my conscience and the fact that I have never used a real weapon in my life?

EDIT: Yes, I am planning this far ahead.
Title: Re: Archaic Weapons Help!
Post by: Flisch on June 28, 2011, 05:18:42 am
A halberd.
Title: Re: Archaic Weapons Help!
Post by: Gnoll on June 28, 2011, 05:22:41 am
A halberd.

This seems like a good idea. Any objections?
Title: Re: Archaic Weapons Help!
Post by: Person21 on June 28, 2011, 05:25:22 am
Nope. No one will dare threaten you if you wave a halberd in their face.
Title: Re: Archaic Weapons Help!
Post by: martyk on June 28, 2011, 06:23:35 am
Right, it sounds like you want a weapon for the purposes of self defense.  If that's the case, archaic is not what you'd want to go for.  Maybe a baton or even a knife, though that's pushing it.  They often say with guns that you should never fire it unless you intend to kill, and the same goes with any lethal weapon.

However, if you want something that can serve the purpose of a showpiece with the dual purpose of selfdefence, then you can go for something a bit more esoteric.  I myself have a substantial sword collection which I have ammased mainly because it's cool to have, but also because of the practical use in the event of an emergency.

One of the most important things to keep in mind if you are buying a more archaic weapon with practical use in mind is the vast majority of products on the market are only showpieces.  Try to hit anything with them and they're liable to snap in half, or for the blade to fly off or other undesireable effects.  Buy from trusted sources, read reviews or, if buying at a store, pick it up and get a good feel for it.

I can't speak so much for polearms but when it comes to swords there's usually a few easy signs to see if it's useable in practice.  Even many showpieces, while not meant for actual use, can be used in a pinch.  You want to make sure that the balance feels alright and that the blade is full tang (which is to say that the blage extends fully inside the hilt, ensuring that it is attached sturdilly).  Some of the cheap showpieces I have have screw on hilts, which will not take any sort of punishment whatsoever.

From a purely practical standpoint, I would look into getting a machette.  They are often classified as knives, though they can be upwards of 30" long.  They are still used today all over the world as tools and weapons and are very simple, easy to maintain, rugged and effective.  I myself have an old machette from Mexico that I inherited from my uncle.  Despite being rather dull, rusted and 30 years old, with one hand I can easily swing it 3 inches into a tree stump.

If you want something a bit showier, you may want to look at a katana.  They can be expensive, and especially if they're combat ready, and it can be hard to discern if they really are or not, but they can be very effective and intimidating weapons.

In conclusion, I advise you to take a look at the "Cold Steel" website.  They have a number of weapons of varying price, all of which are very real and very combat ready.
Title: Re: Archaic Weapons Help!
Post by: Inkling on June 28, 2011, 07:32:36 am
Taser.
Title: Re: Archaic Weapons Help!
Post by: Flisch on June 28, 2011, 07:35:32 am
How is a tazer archaic?
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Post by: Inkling on June 28, 2011, 07:41:11 am
Oh, it isn't at all.  But it fits the description of a "small, defensive armament" a lot better than the things listed in his poll.  I think walking around on a dig site with a freaking longsword strapped to you would be frowned upon.
Title: Re: Archaic Weapons Help!
Post by: Flisch on June 28, 2011, 07:47:19 am
I think he meant small as in "not tank sized".
Title: Re: Archaic Weapons Help!
Post by: munchkin5 on June 28, 2011, 07:53:53 am
Ok, so after seeing the "Gun help!" thread, I got to thinking that I'll need a small, defensive armament at my side once I go into my field of choice, considering there are records of contemporary paleontology teams getting shot at. However, I don't think I'm ready for the recoil and other drawbacks of a gun, nor am I ready for the suspicion it will draw towards me. So, which archaic-style weapon do you think I could use best in light of my conscience and the fact that I have never used a real weapon in my life?

EDIT: Yes, I am planning this far ahead.

If you find your work forces you into a dangerous location, employ bodyguards and local guides, don't carry a piece of medieval weaponry.
Title: Re: Archaic Weapons Help!
Post by: Gorman Conall on June 28, 2011, 08:09:30 am
Interestingly enough I collect Archaic weapons, and should the need arise I know how to use them if I would need to, but I don't carry them around unless its to take them somewhere (like the medieval fair)

Archaic weapons are good for defense in some circumstances, its not going to do you any good against a gun, but if a knife wielding manic ever broke in to my house I could probably make him wet his pants!

Anyway for a dig site a handgun or taser would be best, not a sword, spear, bow or anything else.
Title: Re: Archaic Weapons Help!
Post by: Yuu on June 28, 2011, 08:20:10 am
If you find your work forces you into a dangerous location, employ bodyguards and local guides, don't carry a piece of medieval weaponry.


This.

As unfortunate as it might sound, wielding a piece of medieval or equivalent weaponry while working on a dig site will be seen with massive suspicion in an era where a survival knife or a stun gun would be mostly sufficient.

If someone's out to snuff you, I doubt an archaic weapon would serve you sufficient protection anyway.

If you really want to carry an old weapon despite all of its disadvantages, opt for something not bladed, like a rod. Definitely a rod. Like the combat knife, it has the dual purpose of being a flexible survival tool if you somehow get lost for some reason.
Title: Re: Archaic Weapons Help!
Post by: Gorman Conall on June 28, 2011, 08:46:48 am
You could learn to use a quarterstaff and carry it around as a walking stick or cane, not many people will be able to distinguish it as an actual weapon and no one will likely to ask you about it ether, I'm not sure where your from, but its not illegal to have one with you ether so that's a plus (in the US)

If you *must* carry an Archaic blade, then their are actual canes with swords hidden on the inside, I'm not a fan of those personally though.
Title: Re: Archaic Weapons Help!
Post by: Person21 on June 28, 2011, 09:09:24 am
You could learn to use a quarterstaff and carry it around as a walking stick or cane, not many people will be able to distinguish it as an actual weapon and no one will likely to ask you about it ether, I'm not sure where your from, but its not illegal to have one with you ether so that's a plus (in the US)

And with this idea you can pretend to be a warrior monk. That'll make up for not being able to pretend to be a knight.
Title: Re: Archaic Weapons Help!
Post by: Luminar on June 28, 2011, 09:19:58 am
I hear fists make pretty good weapons, try finding some of those.
Title: Re: Archaic Weapons Help!
Post by: martyk on June 28, 2011, 09:53:21 am
If you *must* carry an Archaic blade, then their are actual canes with swords hidden on the inside, I'm not a fan of those personally though.

This one comes back to what I said about the difficulty finding actual weapons grade ones among all the gimmicky ones.

To be honest, I missed the whole paleontology bit.  With that in mind, you definetly don't want to carry something very big.  Depending on where it is though, a small machette or kukri could still work well.
Title: Re: Archaic Weapons Help!
Post by: Gnoll on June 28, 2011, 05:01:52 pm
I shall keep all your considerations in mind, and I feel that this has been a very productive discussion so far! I like the quarterstaff idea, especially.

Maybe I should opt out of a bow, because frankly, I can't shoot a bow any better than I can shoot a gun.
Title: Re: Archaic Weapons Help!
Post by: Yuu on June 28, 2011, 05:09:00 pm
You really should.

It is very a cumbersome one trick tool with no other merit than to shoot at things or make nearby people uncomfortable towards you.
Title: Re: Archaic Weapons Help!
Post by: PatMan33 on June 29, 2011, 01:41:03 pm
Forgive me for popping in here and being negative... but I don't really think you're taking this seriously enough, Doc.

You are considering buying a weapon. It doesn't matter that it isn't a gun. You will be in the possession of an object that is designed to kill other people. I know you're thinking in advance, but perhaps you should wait a bit before seriously considering making a purchase. In the meantime, if you have family or older friends that do have weapons, spend some time with them and see if you can test their equipment out. Try it before you consider buying.

As well, and to repeat what was said before, "old" weapons are probably not the best route to take. People with knives get shot.

Tasers, quarterstaffs, handguns, rifles, bows, swords... they ALL will require a good amount of training to become proficient. And you will want to be proficient if self defense is your reason for buying a weapon. In all honesty, a gun is probably one of the easier weapons to pick up and learn. That's why thugs use them. They're easy. But if you're good, chances are an untrained goon won't be able to hurt you before you put them down. And that takes hundreds of hours of training, gun or not. Don't fool yourself into thinking you'll be adequately protected with a blunt object or some old-world weapon (or even a modern gun). You might end up surviving by it, but more-than-likely, having a weapon like that will only serve to provoke a potential assailant... on top of probably being useless when they draw their gun.

So, take some time and think more. You won't need to make a purchase now or in the near future. Buying a weapon is a big deal and you need to start to prepare yourself for the responsibilities of ownership first. It doesn't matter if it's a quarterstaff. It's a dangerous tool designed to kill. And that matters.
Title: Re: Archaic Weapons Help!
Post by: martyk on June 29, 2011, 01:42:56 pm
Well said as always Pat.
Title: Re: Archaic Weapons Help!
Post by: Legodragonxp on June 29, 2011, 06:47:58 pm
If you bring a deadly weapon in to play it is a deadly weapon in the eyes of the law. A Kukri, tanto, crossbow, mancatcher, even a bola in some places will considered a deadly weapon. Once you cross that line, you have crossed the line. Most laws say nothing to the effect, "If the person yielding a deadly weapon, but not a really nasty one, they should be punished less if they are irresponsible with it." Most police training that I have seen or been involved with puts the 'justification' of deadly force against a melee weapon armed individual at 30ft. It never differentiates between a club, a knife, or a sword. All those videos where you see cops dealing with armed individuals below 30ft is the officers being as forgiving as possible or more in fear of the law than they should be.

If you want to learn a weapon to have fun with a weapon and become proficient with it, go for it. Just don't b***s*** yourself thinking you are any better or legally justified than if you picked up a shotgun when it comes to self-defense. It bears repeating: If you bring a deadly weapon in to play it is a deadly weapon in the eyes of the law.

If you want to go the less-than-lethal route, get a taser. Police models only run for 5 seconds a shot. Civilian models run for 20 seconds. You shoot the guy, drop it, and run like hell. If you file a police report the company will even give you a new one to replace the one you used for free.

If you want a deadly home defense weapon, get a 18" barreled shotgun (shortest legal length). Load it with Turkey loads (nominally #4 shot) which will not penetrate most walls with deadly energy but will still shred your target. An 18" barrel, unchoked, will have about a 1" spread for every foot of travel. That means that if your target is 10 feet away, the blast will cover an area 10" wide. Aim for the middle of the doorway and commence firing. If you run out of ammo you still have a very handy club. One last note, in terms of foot-pounds on energy, a single shot from a shotgun is equal to the entire magazine of the average handgun.

Now then, on topic... I am a fan of Kukri blades. :)

(http://i.ebayimg.com/04/!B+0CJy!B2k~$(KGrHqN,!iUEzOHrQPNzBN!4+kr2JQ~~_3.GIF)

-Lego
Title: Re: Archaic Weapons Help!
Post by: Brandonazz on June 29, 2011, 06:49:07 pm
Lego is a sniper.
Title: Re: Archaic Weapons Help!
Post by: Gorman Conall on June 29, 2011, 07:15:00 pm
Survival tip.:

Don't break in to Lego's house.
Title: Re: Archaic Weapons Help!
Post by: /lurk on June 29, 2011, 07:36:14 pm
One last note, in terms of foot-pounds on energy, a single shot from a shotgun is equal to the entire magazine of the average handgun.

I have no idea what you're talking about here. So you've got the square feet that the handgun bullet or shot covers, and you're multiplying it by a weight that somehow corresponds to the power of the weapon? Or do pounds actually measure momentum? In any case, why would that be a useful thing to measure?


I'm not even being facetious, I'm genuinely confused.
Title: Re: Archaic Weapons Help!
Post by: Legodragonxp on June 29, 2011, 07:39:29 pm
One last note, in terms of foot-pounds on energy, a single shot from a shotgun is equal to the entire magazine of the average handgun.

I have no idea what you're talking about here. So you've got the square feet that the handgun bullet or shot covers, and you're multiplying it by a weight that somehow corresponds to the power of the weapon? Or do pounds actually measure momentum? In any case, why would that be a useful thing to measure?


I'm not even being facetious, I'm genuinely confused.

 I will answer this tomorrow, I need to log right now. (wife aggro)

Survival tip.:

Don't break in to Lego's house.

You got it turkey.

-Lego
Title: Re: Archaic Weapons Help!
Post by: Gnoll on June 29, 2011, 07:47:56 pm
Quote from: PatMan33
-you might want to wait a bit-

Hmm... now that I think about it...

I'll unlock this in a couple years.