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Title: Gaming Steve Sci-fi Universe: How Does It Measure Up?
Post by: Yuu on December 02, 2010, 05:09:12 am
So yeah, this is the thread for discussing about the many facets of the site's sci-fi universe, and how they measure up to that of other similar worlds.

For convenience, let's say that it's the Reborn Galaxy alone, with no interference from the Extended Yuuniverse, Phitire-Shadow Era, Novus Cluster, Meridian, New Galaxy or other such parties.







General Opinions


How does the Gaming Steve Sci-fi Universe measure up to...


#1 Star Wars?

While Star Wars may not seem to be as relatively varied in its palette, especially when it comes to humanoids, it does, however, appear to possess an immeasurably greater level of depth.

In the end, while GS might have what it takes to become a great sci-fi universe, it is unfortunately rather lacking in the depth and maturity department, being primarily player-driven and having no "true" overarching story which encompasses the world's somewhat long history of events.



#2 Star Trek?

"Star Trek is great story but awful Sci-fi.  Unoriginal aliens.  Lots of technobabble.  Unimpressive combat."

-- Martyk



#3 The Culture?

Coming Soon...







Now, let's begin with a commonly asked one: Star Wars with [and without] the Extended Universe.


So, guys, how does the GS-verse measure up?


Feel free to bring up any suggestions, as long as they aren't snarky or anything.
Title: Re: Gaming Steve Sci-fi Universe: How Does It Measure Up?
Post by: Crazen on December 02, 2010, 02:57:07 pm
oh boy. can o' worms.
Title: Re: Gaming Steve Sci-fi Universe: How Does It Measure Up?
Post by: Kenotai on December 02, 2010, 03:40:44 pm
Poor writing quality overall, better aliens, no overarching plot to hold it together, marginally better ship design.
Title: Re: Gaming Steve Sci-fi Universe: How Does It Measure Up?
Post by: Gnoll on December 02, 2010, 06:42:15 pm
Actually, I think the writing is a bit better, if only because we explain our creatures' abilities, rather than pulling midi-chlorians from you-know-where.
Definitely better aliens.
We have some major plots, and I think this works a bit better than Star Wars' steered plotline, which makes most of the creatures plot devices.
MUCH better ship design... except on my part. I'm not very good with that.

Sorry, had to throw my two cents into the pot.
Title: Re: Gaming Steve Sci-fi Universe: How Does It Measure Up?
Post by: Clarke on December 03, 2010, 06:13:39 pm
Definitely better aliens.
Wat
Title: Re: Gaming Steve Sci-fi Universe: How Does It Measure Up?
Post by: omegatripod on December 03, 2010, 10:12:08 pm
Quote from: Lemony Snicket
Although "a mixed bag" sometimes refers to a plastic bag that has been stirred in a bowl, more often it is used to describe a situation that has both good parts and bad parts. An afternoon at the movie theater, for instance, would be a mixed bag if your favorite movie were showing, but if you had to eat gravel instead of popcorn. A trip to the zoo would be a very mixed bag if the weather were beautiful, but all of the man-and woman-eating lions were running around loose.

The GS-verse is a mixed bag, as is so well-defined above by Daniel Handler Lemony Snicket. The big difference is that Star Wars is a professionally written mixed bag with a coherent timeline.
Title: Re: Gaming Steve Sci-fi Universe: How Does It Measure Up?
Post by: GroxGlitch on December 03, 2010, 10:24:19 pm
Professionally written: Yes.
Coherent: Ahh.......
Title: Re: Gaming Steve Sci-fi Universe: How Does It Measure Up?
Post by: omegatripod on December 03, 2010, 10:50:25 pm
Actually, yes. It's a sprawling, mind-bogglingly detailed timeline, but it's coherent.
Title: Re: Gaming Steve Sci-fi Universe: How Does It Measure Up?
Post by: Crazen on December 04, 2010, 12:38:10 am
and then a lot of people have their own sub timelines and individual stories, that may or may not be necessarily connected to the full universe.
Title: Re: Gaming Steve Sci-fi Universe: How Does It Measure Up?
Post by: Galactic-Warrior on December 04, 2010, 08:44:15 am
I think we have much more diversity than Star Wars.
Title: Re: Gaming Steve Sci-fi Universe: How Does It Measure Up?
Post by: Yuu on December 04, 2010, 10:46:14 am
and then a lot of people have their own sub timelines and individual stories, that may or may not be necessarily connected to the full universe.

Ah, the Extended Universe...

*head fizzles*
Title: Re: Gaming Steve Sci-fi Universe: How Does It Measure Up?
Post by: martyk on December 04, 2010, 10:07:21 pm
We have an awful lot of breadth to our universe, and a lot of interesting things.  The one thing where I thing we don't measure up is depth.  There is a whole lot of indepth detail to the Star Wars EU.  Granted, we havn't had the luxury of proffesional writers or artists, big franchise money, or 30 years of history.

I think one of the biggest issues with us is we have no overarching authority to say what's canon and what's not.  So we can't really nail down a lot of details, namly that damn map and timeline that has eluded us for the last 4 years.
Title: Re: Gaming Steve Sci-fi Universe: How Does It Measure Up?
Post by: Kitkat on December 05, 2010, 12:08:11 am
We should try to mend that when/if we move back to Kosmosis, and set up stuff like that from the start!
Title: Re: Gaming Steve Sci-fi Universe: How Does It Measure Up?
Post by: Yuu on December 05, 2010, 06:07:35 am
Interesting, isn't it?

To think that we have parted so much from the GS-verse's original source material, SporeTM, yet in many respects, still haven't risen from the very shortcomings which the latter clearly possessed.



While Star Wars may not seem to be as relatively varied in its palette, especially when it comes to humanoids, it does, however, appear to possess an immeasurably greater level of depth.

In the end, while GS might have what it takes to become a great sci-fi universe, it is unfortunately rather lacking in the depth and maturity department, being primarily player-driven and having no "true" overarching story which encompasses the world's somewhat long history of events.




That pretty much sums it up.

In any case, you had better been brushing up on your Klingon recently, cause next up is none other than Star Wars' chief rival...



STAR TREK
Title: Re: Gaming Steve Sci-fi Universe: How Does It Measure Up?
Post by: Kenotai on December 05, 2010, 08:12:22 am
Star Trek: Great writing, mostly, almost no non-humanoids (http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Non-humanoid_species) compared to humanoids (http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Humanoid_species). And a lot on the former list are of humanoid shape, like the Gorn and Q.
Title: Re: Gaming Steve Sci-fi Universe: How Does It Measure Up?
Post by: Galactic-Warrior on December 05, 2010, 08:24:42 am
Its space battles aren't particularly large 'cept with the Dominion War and the Borg incursions.
Title: Re: Gaming Steve Sci-fi Universe: How Does It Measure Up?
Post by: GroxGlitch on December 05, 2010, 08:31:31 am
Major technobabble.
Agh god, my head!....
Title: Re: Gaming Steve Sci-fi Universe: How Does It Measure Up?
Post by: Gnoll on December 05, 2010, 08:37:42 am
Oh, we so win.
Title: Re: Gaming Steve Sci-fi Universe: How Does It Measure Up?
Post by: Kitkat on December 05, 2010, 10:29:30 am
No, we don't. Star Trek has gigantic amounts of story, all somewhat coherent, and generally well thought out (though sometimes episodes are crap.)
We definitely have better creativity when it comes to creatures and such, as well as recurring characters, and larger overall stories. But the main reason is that a lot of Star Trek series had to produce episodes quickly, and money was often in short supply. In digital media, you don't have to worry about the cost or time constraints!

To me, our Spore Universe has a bit of every sci-fi show mixed into it. It's like a sci-fi melting pot.
Title: Re: Gaming Steve Sci-fi Universe: How Does It Measure Up?
Post by: martyk on December 05, 2010, 07:56:53 pm
Star Trek is great story but awful Sci-fi.  Unoriginal aliens.  Lots of technobabble.  Unimpressive combat.
Title: Re: Gaming Steve Sci-fi Universe: How Does It Measure Up?
Post by: Crazen on December 05, 2010, 09:21:02 pm
having an overarching story arch would suck. I dont know why people keep trying for it.
Title: Re: Gaming Steve Sci-fi Universe: How Does It Measure Up?
Post by: gec05 on December 05, 2010, 10:42:03 pm
And why is that bad?
Title: Re: Gaming Steve Sci-fi Universe: How Does It Measure Up?
Post by: Hydromancerx on December 06, 2010, 12:32:36 am
I can only speak for myself and what I payed attention to in the old pre-spore days. I would say there was a lot of diversity and creativity going on since we had no idea what Spore would end up being like. Thus it has saved us in the long run from being too much like the Spore universe.

However when I made the Nauceans and eventually Sagan 4, I looked at it like a history book or species guide than a story. And even when I did RP with the Nauceans it was very limited and in the beginning just for novelty sake. Since interacting with other people's creatures was "taboo" at first. Mainly since you did not want to mess with other peoples timelines. I mean we did not even know if we were in the same universe let alone galaxy as the other people's species.

Anywho overall I have seen good, bad and yes even ugly creatures here. Many falling into the "humanoid" or "Earth-like" realm. But its extremely hard for us to go beyond what we know. But I think atleast some people have tried to make truly "alien" creatures.

But what it really comes down to is having fun. If you are having fun making your creature then it doesn't really matter if other people like it. The point is having fun creating with your imagination. :D
Title: Re: Gaming Steve Sci-fi Universe: How Does It Measure Up?
Post by: Phoenix Down on December 06, 2010, 07:09:33 am
Any major sections of the RG/OG that have been decanonized?
Title: Re: Gaming Steve Sci-fi Universe: How Does It Measure Up?
Post by: Crazen on December 06, 2010, 08:31:59 am
However when I made the Nauceans and eventually Sagan 4, I looked at it like a history book or species guide than a story.

hhmm. that's almost opossite to how I approach developing my peoples. its more about their stories and the things ( all sperate from GS)

but you said history book, so I don't think you meant stories about your poeple in general, but just stories based within this "galaxy" on this sight.


And even when I did RP with the Nauceans it was very limited and in the beginning just for novelty sake. Since interacting with other people's creatures was "taboo" at first. Mainly since you did not want to mess with other peoples timelines. I mean we did not even know if we were in the same universe let alone galaxy as the other people's species.

I feel similar.
but the creations aren't really connected, I think. though some have made species just for the sake of rping, mostly its just a cluster-crossover.

example: yuu's stuff. its its own world. he just does  the rping for (presumably. I can't guess motives) fun.
Title: Re: Gaming Steve Sci-fi Universe: How Does It Measure Up?
Post by: Yuu on January 07, 2011, 03:34:12 am
Star Trek is great story but awful Sci-fi.  Unoriginal aliens.  Lots of technobabble.  Unimpressive combat.

Indeed. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SK0cUNMnMM)

Pretty much sums up Star Trek as a whole.


In any case, I bring you guys Iain Banks' the Culture. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Culture)

So, how 'bout it?
Title: Re: Gaming Steve Sci-fi Universe: How Does It Measure Up?
Post by: Galactic-Warrior on January 07, 2011, 10:01:26 am
I think I saw that on wiki, its about humanity uplifting a few (relatively) smart animal species on Earth and they meet a gigantic intergalactic community, right?

EDIT: Nope, looked at it and it doesn't appear to be that.
Title: Re: Gaming Steve Sci-fi Universe: How Does It Measure Up?
Post by: omegatripod on January 14, 2011, 06:48:09 pm
I believe that you're thinking of Startide Rising.
Title: Re: Gaming Steve Sci-fi Universe: How Does It Measure Up?
Post by: Galactic-Warrior on January 14, 2011, 09:27:23 pm
Yeah, its that.
Title: Re: Gaming Steve Sci-fi Universe: How Does It Measure Up?
Post by: omegatripod on January 17, 2011, 03:25:04 pm
Nobody here seems to have read The Culture series except Yuu, so I now present:

The Race (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Race_%28Worldwar%29) versus The Nauceans (http://www.gamingsteve.com/blab/index.php?topic=1621.0). Does Hydro hold up to Turtledove, or did ol' Harry fail to meet his sci-fi novel detail quota? Tune in next week to find out; same bat time, same bat channel! Copyright1967AmericanBroadcastingCompanyAllrightsreservedIfyouviewedthisepisodewithoutafrontcoveritisconsideredunsoldordestroyedpropertyandneitherthestudionorthecreatorsmayhavereceivedratingsforitRememberifitdoesntsayMicroMachinesitsnottherealthing.

In all seriousness, if you want to read the book in the Worldwar series with the most overall detail about the Race, read Homeward Bound.
Title: Re: Gaming Steve Sci-fi Universe: How Does It Measure Up?
Post by: Yuu on January 18, 2011, 11:45:06 am
Oh, Omega, what did the Race ever do to you?   ;D ;)

I wonder how they'd react to the Kratair, a race of lizards who are on the other side of the progressiveness spectrum...
Title: Re: Gaming Steve Sci-fi Universe: How Does It Measure Up?
Post by: Galactic-Warrior on January 18, 2011, 02:18:55 pm
No, the real question is how would they react if they met the Wexxians, Combine, Photos, Nameless, and all the other powerful races.

Now that I think about it, it seems there are more military/technological/whatever superior races than "regular" ones...
Title: Re: Gaming Steve Sci-fi Universe: How Does It Measure Up?
Post by: Yuu on January 18, 2011, 03:26:50 pm
It'be fun to see the Race invading Beyon, having sent a probe to the planet back when it was wilderness, not anticipating what it would look like now.

Straha would soon see the virtue of Atvar's ways.   :d :p
Title: Re: Gaming Steve Sci-fi Universe: How Does It Measure Up?
Post by: Cyst on January 18, 2011, 07:59:12 pm
GW, the Kratair were powerful. Once upon a time.
Title: Re: Gaming Steve Sci-fi Universe: How Does It Measure Up?
Post by: Galactic-Warrior on January 18, 2011, 10:24:39 pm
I don't know much about the older races aside from the Nauceans and a bit of the Wexxians. The only races I know best is the ones currently active and even then, its not much.

And in other news, there appears to be a lull in activity in the Spore RP section...
Title: Re: Gaming Steve Sci-fi Universe: How Does It Measure Up?
Post by: Crazen on January 19, 2011, 06:16:31 am
It's because everyone feels like they need to wait untill the nameless war is over. I Know I have been.
Title: Re: Gaming Steve Sci-fi Universe: How Does It Measure Up?
Post by: Galactic-Warrior on January 19, 2011, 09:27:39 am
Well, I'd like to finish it up, but unfortunately my races aren't in any of the other RPs so I am forced to wait.

Also, I'm thinking of making a "official" name for my impactors. What do you think fits more: Kinetic Energy Weapons or Kinetic Kill Weapons? I prefer KEWs, but I need another person's opinion.
Title: Re: Gaming Steve Sci-fi Universe: How Does It Measure Up?
Post by: GroxGlitch on January 19, 2011, 02:42:43 pm
Kinetic Kill sounds more slang-ish, I'd go with Kinetic Energy Impactors.
Title: Re: Gaming Steve Sci-fi Universe: How Does It Measure Up?
Post by: Cyst on January 19, 2011, 10:32:54 pm
A Kinetic Energy Weapon is called a gun or a sling. Just gonna put that out there.
Title: Re: Gaming Steve Sci-fi Universe: How Does It Measure Up?
Post by: GroxGlitch on January 20, 2011, 03:55:40 pm
A Kinetic Energy Weapon is called a gun or a sling. Just gonna put that out there.
Not exactly. A Kinetic Energy Weapon is any weapon that deals damage via kinetic energy transmission impact.
Or in short, it doesn't explode.
Title: Re: Gaming Steve Sci-fi Universe: How Does It Measure Up?
Post by: martyk on January 20, 2011, 07:49:29 pm
I don't know much about the older races aside from the Nauceans and a bit of the Wexxians. The only races I know best is the ones currently active and even then, its not much.

And in other news, there appears to be a lull in activity in the Spore RP section...

I've been thinking about getting back into the Spore RPs, though I'm not sure where to start anymore.

I can understand you not being very aware of the Kratair, as they were before your time and not quite as profilic as the big Golden Age races like the Nauceans, Wexxians and Torpals.  Still, they were one of the, if not the, most powerful races in the Silver Age.
Title: Re: Gaming Steve Sci-fi Universe: How Does It Measure Up?
Post by: Galactic-Warrior on January 20, 2011, 10:03:06 pm
I don't know much about the older races aside from the Nauceans and a bit of the Wexxians. The only races I know best is the ones currently active and even then, its not much.

And in other news, there appears to be a lull in activity in the Spore RP section...

I've been thinking about getting back into the Spore RPs, though I'm not sure where to start anymore.

I can understand you not being very aware of the Kratair, as they were before your time and not quite as profilic as the big Golden Age races like the Nauceans, Wexxians and Torpals.  Still, they were one of the, if not the, most powerful races in the Silver Age.

I looked at the Nauceans because thats where basically people get their inspiration from, I looked at the old Wexxians a bit after they came back, Torpals, I think they're aggressive. All the races between that and those currently active now I have no idea.
Title: Re: Gaming Steve Sci-fi Universe: How Does It Measure Up?
Post by: omegatripod on January 21, 2011, 10:52:39 am
An idea just occurred to me: people post detailed inormation about their races, with history that can lead anywhere up until space travel to discourage godmodding (i.e., no saying that your race has control of multiple star systems or antimatter weaponry). Then, an experienced and skilled writer on the forum makes stories about the races interacting with one another, taking input from the forum members along the way. It could make for less interactive but very different stories. I'm not saying that I want this style replacing the way we RP, I'm just saying that the thought just came into my head and I wanted to share it.
Title: Re: Gaming Steve Sci-fi Universe: How Does It Measure Up?
Post by: Crazen on January 21, 2011, 03:02:47 pm
you seem to be looking at power as if this is a competitive game. I thought it was more story oriented, so it really shouldnt matter how 'strong' your civilization is.

I say this with having two races, both underpowered compared to most on here.
Title: Re: Gaming Steve Sci-fi Universe: How Does It Measure Up?
Post by: GroxGlitch on January 23, 2011, 08:40:03 am
An idea just occurred to me: people post detailed inormation about their races, with history that can lead anywhere up until space travel to discourage godmodding (i.e., no saying that your race has control of multiple star systems or antimatter weaponry). Then, an experienced and skilled writer on the forum makes stories about the races interacting with one another, taking input from the forum members along the way. It could make for less interactive but very different stories. I'm not saying that I want this style replacing the way we RP, I'm just saying that the thought just came into my head and I wanted to share it.
I see what u did thar.
Title: Re: Gaming Steve Sci-fi Universe: How Does It Measure Up?
Post by: Galactic-Warrior on January 23, 2011, 02:45:28 pm
An idea just occurred to me: people post detailed inormation about their races, with history that can lead anywhere up until space travel to discourage godmodding (i.e., no saying that your race has control of multiple star systems or antimatter weaponry). Then, an experienced and skilled writer on the forum makes stories about the races interacting with one another, taking input from the forum members along the way. It could make for less interactive but very different stories. I'm not saying that I want this style replacing the way we RP, I'm just saying that the thought just came into my head and I wanted to share it.
I see what u did thar.

Heh heh, nice one.
Title: Re: Gaming Steve Sci-fi Universe: How Does It Measure Up?
Post by: UFO King on January 23, 2011, 04:46:31 pm
I don't remember any Perrachi antimatter... I guess that there are multiple offenders. Tripod, that's a pretty good idea. We should try that out.
Title: Re: Gaming Steve Sci-fi Universe: How Does It Measure Up?
Post by: Galactic-Warrior on January 23, 2011, 04:56:20 pm
And how shall we try it out? We could try it during the Battle for Beyon.
Title: Re: Gaming Steve Sci-fi Universe: How Does It Measure Up?
Post by: UFO King on January 23, 2011, 04:58:34 pm
Battle for Beyon? What's that?
Title: Re: Gaming Steve Sci-fi Universe: How Does It Measure Up?
Post by: gec05 on January 23, 2011, 06:51:18 pm
Me too. I'm curious.
Title: Re: Gaming Steve Sci-fi Universe: How Does It Measure Up?
Post by: Galactic-Warrior on January 23, 2011, 07:26:55 pm
Last time I checked several months ago, I was told we were going to do a battle at Beyon after all the current battles were finished.
Title: Re: Gaming Steve Sci-fi Universe: How Does It Measure Up?
Post by: Kitkat on January 23, 2011, 08:32:20 pm
once all the current battles are finished, there won't BE any people left to conduct the battle for Beyon!

It's like, out of the entire planet, there's only three countries left in the Spore section.  :( Countries being active of course.
Title: Re: Gaming Steve Sci-fi Universe: How Does It Measure Up?
Post by: gec05 on January 23, 2011, 09:22:06 pm
Kit has a point. And it will be hard to muster up people to get back in. Not after the heartache I already caused with Kosmosis. >_>
Title: Re: Gaming Steve Sci-fi Universe: How Does It Measure Up?
Post by: UFO King on January 23, 2011, 09:35:03 pm
Heartache? What'd I miss? I'd be willing to participate in Beyon.
Title: Re: Gaming Steve Sci-fi Universe: How Does It Measure Up?
Post by: Kitkat on January 23, 2011, 10:07:28 pm
We need to put some heart into Kosmosis darnit!

It was practically a secret when we started it up, and on the alternate forum we already had two new members (which haven't, mind you, popped up here.)
If we do it right we could start up a great big project, even better than we could have ever done here!
Plus, I miss my Iathrians D: (I had so many ideas!)
Title: Re: Gaming Steve Sci-fi Universe: How Does It Measure Up?
Post by: Crazen on January 23, 2011, 11:17:24 pm
Variety is good, if we standardize everything in a mold that breaks the whole point. plus who cares if someones race is more powerful than yours?.

as a personal complaint if we followed that rule, my Main people are sent back 310,000 years in time.  plus I would have to wait untill the story line advances another quarter MY.
seeing as it has avanced a couple years in... a couple years, I doubt that will happen soon.

though I would endorse a ban on god modding.
Title: Re: Gaming Steve Sci-fi Universe: How Does It Measure Up?
Post by: Galactic-Warrior on January 24, 2011, 06:49:08 am
I was thinking up a new race with some interesting stuff, but didn't make a thread for them because I felt I had enough races.

But back to the point, what are we gonna do?
Title: Re: Gaming Steve Sci-fi Universe: How Does It Measure Up?
Post by: Yuu on January 24, 2011, 07:48:18 am
Try it again, but this time, advertise it to other people we know?
Title: Re: Gaming Steve Sci-fi Universe: How Does It Measure Up?
Post by: Crazen on January 24, 2011, 08:35:09 am
and dont make 3 different sites all at once.
Title: Re: Gaming Steve Sci-fi Universe: How Does It Measure Up?
Post by: gec05 on January 24, 2011, 11:02:56 am
That's silly. It was only 2. And it was because I was not satisfied with the limited features of the first forum.
Title: Re: Gaming Steve Sci-fi Universe: How Does It Measure Up?
Post by: Galactic-Warrior on January 24, 2011, 01:27:18 pm
Then what do we do? Do we go onto one of the other sites and do the Spore RP stuff or what?
Title: Re: Gaming Steve Sci-fi Universe: How Does It Measure Up?
Post by: Kitkat on January 25, 2011, 06:02:03 pm
Why we make our own forum of course! And advertise to a bunch of willing forums all over the vaste Internet!
Title: Re: Gaming Steve Sci-fi Universe: How Does It Measure Up?
Post by: Oviraptor on January 25, 2011, 06:03:52 pm
With blackjack! And hookers!
Title: Re: Gaming Steve Sci-fi Universe: How Does It Measure Up?
Post by: Galactic-Warrior on January 25, 2011, 06:10:28 pm
No hookers, otherwise we may get the Internet police on us.
Title: Re: Gaming Steve Sci-fi Universe: How Does It Measure Up?
Post by: gec05 on January 31, 2011, 10:18:56 am
Hey Ovi, you got a couple of unused forums. Maybe we can retrofit one of them to be a new home. >_>
Title: Re: Gaming Steve Sci-fi Universe: How Does It Measure Up?
Post by: Plank of Wood on January 31, 2011, 11:32:27 am
That worked so well the last time! :P