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Title: I won a PSP 3000 black
Post by: Magenti on October 10, 2009, 06:38:22 am
So I am wondering what firmware I need to install and how I do this in order to be able to get games off the internet and have them on the PSP.

I was thinking of buying a 16GB memorycard to it and just filling it up with games and giving it to my little brother but I am stuck on the firmware part and if it is even possible for a PSP3000.

Anyone that knows?

Thanks
Title: Re: I won a PSP 3000 black
Post by: Didero on October 10, 2009, 07:24:05 am
To download games, I think you just need to connect to the PlayStation Store. I'm sure there's an explanation on how to buy them there.
I admit I don't have any experience with PSPs, but that seems the most logical way.

Also, didn't it come with firmware already installed?
Title: Re: I won a PSP 3000 black
Post by: Magenti on October 10, 2009, 07:53:39 am
Yea.. Im not buying the games :)
40 euro for a game on a psp just seemes to be a wee bit too much.
Title: Re: I won a PSP 3000 black
Post by: Cobra on October 10, 2009, 07:55:58 am
Well, if you aren't going to pay for games we can't help you as we don't condone that sort of thing here.
Title: Re: I won a PSP 3000 black
Post by: Magenti on October 10, 2009, 07:59:15 am
No you dont get me.

You can play ps1 games on it if you have the right firmware. And I figure since the games I want for it are already owned by me, there is no loss or theft, I just want them to be converted onto the psp3000.
I suppose I should have mentioned that in the first post.
Title: Re: I won a PSP 3000 black
Post by: Kenobro on October 10, 2009, 08:00:15 am
If you have a PS1 and PS1 Games, just play them on PS1. 
Title: Re: I won a PSP 3000 black
Post by: Magenti on October 10, 2009, 08:16:49 am
I want it to be portable and I also want to send it to my brother.

I thought we talked about not doing silly comments Kenobro?
Title: Re: I won a PSP 3000 black
Post by: Kenobro on October 10, 2009, 08:17:36 am
What?  I don't appreciate your revealing of my PMing habits.

Anyways, does your brother own the games, because if not then that would be technically illegal.  If he does have them then I can't help because I don't own a PSP.
Title: Re: I won a PSP 3000 black
Post by: Magenti on October 10, 2009, 08:25:15 am
What?  I don't appreciate your revealing of my PMing habits.

Anyways, does your brother own the games, because if not then that would be technically illegal.  If he does have them then I can't help because I don't own a PSP.

He can have my old ones and since I own them I can give them to whoever I want and thus it is legal again.
Title: Re: I won a PSP 3000 black
Post by: Kenobro on October 10, 2009, 08:28:29 am
Not sure of Sony's policy, but Nintendo policy says in the handbook, something along the lines of "backups, pirated copies, or otherwise are against the Nintendo guidelines and will void your warranty".  Never owned a Sony Console so I'm not sure if the same is for Sony.
Title: Re: I won a PSP 3000 black
Post by: Tesla on October 10, 2009, 11:59:33 am
No you dont get me.

You can play ps1 games on it if you have the right firmware. And I figure since the games I want for it are already owned by me, there is no loss or theft, I just want them to be converted onto the psp3000.
I suppose I should have mentioned that in the first post.

Something I don't understand;
Are you planning on a) jailbreaking your psp and installing the games you own or b) getting them off the store?
Title: Re: I won a PSP 3000 black
Post by: Magenti on October 19, 2009, 08:53:29 am
No you dont get me.

You can play ps1 games on it if you have the right firmware. And I figure since the games I want for it are already owned by me, there is no loss or theft, I just want them to be converted onto the psp3000.
I suppose I should have mentioned that in the first post.

Something I don't understand;
Are you planning on a) jailbreaking your psp and installing the games you own or b) getting them off the store?

Both.

I want them ripped and working on the memory card so I do not have to keep 300 cds with me. As for the playstation 1 games thats so they will be portable.
I got it to work in case you were wondering.

Nothing like Resident Evil on a psp :)
Title: Re: I won a PSP 3000 black
Post by: MetallicDragon on October 19, 2009, 11:13:38 am
Contrary to popular belief, it actually IS illegal to emulate games, even if you own them in other formats...
Title: Re: I won a PSP 3000 black
Post by: Magenti on October 20, 2009, 02:06:05 am
You are allowed to make backups of games, cds even movies for personal use. So no its not illegal. Placing the games on a memory card is a backup.
Title: Re: I won a PSP 3000 black
Post by: Met on October 20, 2009, 08:44:46 am
You are allowed to make backups of games, cds even movies for personal use. So no its not illegal. Placing the games on a memory card is a backup.

No, you're not.
Title: Re: I won a PSP 3000 black
Post by: Ultimatum on October 20, 2009, 11:58:38 am
You are allowed to make backups of games, cds even movies for personal use. So no its not illegal. Placing the games on a memory card is a backup.

No, you're not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up863eQKGUI

Seriously,I dont' know what eles to say.

Title: Re: I won a PSP 3000 black
Post by: Magenti on October 20, 2009, 12:15:39 pm
You totally are.

Lol, that has got to be the lamest **** movie I have ever seen.

If I buy a game, and only I use it and lets say I am a collector and I want to preserve the original I can bloody copy it so I can use the copy and not the original.

What the hell is the differance since I am only using one disc at a time?

On steam I can download my game to any of the 3 computers in the house but I can only play on one computer at a time which is exactly my point above.
Title: Re: I won a PSP 3000 black
Post by: dndfreak on October 20, 2009, 07:52:52 pm
The part of the emulation that is illegal is the BIOS files- the firmware that runs the console.  It is entirely legal to make a backup copy, but as Keno said it simply voids the warranty.  Sony won't be responsible or offer any troubleshooting/support services on the backups OR original, that's the punishment for making a backup.  However, the BIOS is illegal to copy or distribute without permission and is most definitely against the law.

In the case of the PSP switch, it is legal due to the the fact that Sony provides you with the BIOS on the PSP.  All you need is the game property itself to make the switch.
Title: Re: I won a PSP 3000 black
Post by: Met on October 22, 2009, 12:54:16 pm
If I buy a game, and only I use it and lets say I am a collector and I want to preserve the original I can bloody copy it so I can use the copy and not the original.

Given what dndfreak said last, the quoted here is still illegal. It doesn't matter what you intend. The morality of the issue isn't even the concern. The fact is it's illegal.
Title: Re: I won a PSP 3000 black
Post by: dndfreak on October 22, 2009, 12:58:58 pm
Umm what?  I said that it is legal.  You just can't get tech support if anything goes wrong with it.  What's illegal is copying the console's OS.
Title: Re: I won a PSP 3000 black
Post by: Yokto on October 22, 2009, 02:01:39 pm
If it legal or not to make backup copies of digital medium i all dependent on your local copyright law and/or EULA. In some nations it is legal to make backup copies. In others not. In some countries there even a tax to compensate for legal backup copies.

Just read the law. If that is not clear enough then look at any case which might involve the situation. If that is not clear then i guess you can only ask a legal expert for advice. Lawyers sadly enough hardly do not normally do this service for free.
Title: Re: I won a PSP 3000 black
Post by: Met on October 23, 2009, 07:54:03 pm
If it legal or not to make backup copies of digital medium i all dependent on your local copyright law and/or EULA. In some nations it is legal to make backup copies. In others not. In some countries there even a tax to compensate for legal backup copies.

Just read the law. If that is not clear enough then look at any case which might involve the situation. If that is not clear then i guess you can only ask a legal expert for advice. Lawyers sadly enough hardly do not normally do this service for free.

It is illegal in the United States.
Title: Re: I won a PSP 3000 black
Post by: dndfreak on October 23, 2009, 08:26:44 pm
The US is the one place that it's legal to backup copyrighted games and files.

At least, as long as it's for personal use.
Title: Re: I won a PSP 3000 black
Post by: Kidsoldier on October 24, 2009, 02:20:03 am
It is most definately legal in the US.

Mag.. If your firmware is above 5.50, then you would have to buy a pandora battery.
Title: Re: I won a PSP 3000 black
Post by: Met on October 24, 2009, 09:53:59 am
Continue on with your myths. If you say it enough times, it must be true, right?
Title: Re: I won a PSP 3000 black
Post by: Yokto on October 24, 2009, 10:12:30 am
Well i can not state if it is legal or not. I have heard form a Legal expert that is Illegal in Sweden. But is just programs and such that can not be copied to backup disk. Doing the same thing with a analog media is acceptable. I do not know how it is with borderline media like CDs and DVDs where the data is digital but is not a program in general. I think is a bit of a mess. (And in the olden days it was a golden rule to always backup your original and run the backup and save the original.)
Title: Re: I won a PSP 3000 black
Post by: Celdur on October 24, 2009, 11:31:28 am
You are allowed to make backups of games, cds even movies for personal use. So no its not illegal. Placing the games on a memory card is a backup.

No, you're not.
vid

Seriously,I dont' know what eles to say.



you should have posted this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmQFcVR6vEs
Title: Re: I won a PSP 3000 black
Post by: dndfreak on October 24, 2009, 10:14:02 pm
Continue on with your myths. If you say it enough times, it must be true, right?

Met, I'm only going to say this once:  You're an idiot.

If you don't believe us when we say that making a backup is legal, then take a look at an EULA.
Title: Re: I won a PSP 3000 black
Post by: Met on October 24, 2009, 11:47:43 pm
If you don't believe us when we say that making a backup is legal, then take a look at an EULA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ROM_image#Legal_status

There. Now your turn to dispute the evidence. Not insult others.
Title: Re: I won a PSP 3000 black
Post by: dndfreak on October 25, 2009, 12:05:16 am
Quote
onto other cartridges

Exactly, that's for game cartridges to to the rights owned on their unique formatting.  Anything on a disk is fair game.
Title: Re: I won a PSP 3000 black
Post by: Met on October 25, 2009, 12:06:22 am
That's purposely trying to bypass the law.

That was back when cartridges were the big thing. It easily translates over to disks or files on your desktop.
Title: Re: I won a PSP 3000 black
Post by: dndfreak on October 25, 2009, 12:08:25 am
No, no it doesn't.  The reason that a cart couldn't be copied was because buying a game enables the rights to the game code only, however in those days a lot of special code had to be included in the cart for it to run that the purchaser does not have the rights to.  With the universal formats on a CD, that it no longer an issue.
Title: Re: I won a PSP 3000 black
Post by: Met on October 25, 2009, 12:11:39 am
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However, in the U.S. it has been illegal since 1983 for a user to create their own backups of video game ROMs onto other cartridges. This was decided in the court case of Atari v. JS&A. JS&A manufactured a "game backup" device that allowed users to dump their Atari ROMs onto a blank cartridge. JS&A argued that the archival rule allowed for this. The court disagreed, noting that ROM media was not subject to the same volatility as magnetic media (for which the law was created).

If it translates from A to B. It translates also to C, being the next generation of the same thing.
Title: Re: I won a PSP 3000 black
Post by: Doomsday on October 25, 2009, 12:12:08 am
DnD, Don't insult others. Mind your P's and Q's, please.

Everyone else: DnD is right, partially. It is not illegal to own a legitimate Digital Backup on games you've bought and own yourself. However where they get you is if you have to break Copy-Protection software/measures in order to do it. While this alone is not technically illegal (unless you have to decompile the software involved), a company could sue you if they felt like it (EULA is a contract, not law. Contracts would fall under a Civil Court, not a Criminal one). So owning a digital copy that you make yourself is not illegal, but if you have to break the EULA to do it, you are liable for a law suit (assuming the company wants to pursue it and so on). Downloading a digital copy, itself, is not illegal especially if you own the game. However it does make you liable for a Civil Lawsuit by a company/organization with rights to that product. What is illegal, is distributing (sharing, or other-wise allowing access to digital copies), on top of that you can also face the lawsuit for breaking the EULA. But strictly ripping your own digital copies (assuming you don't need to bypass copy protection) is in no way illegal (in the United States). Period. End.

Met: From that same article: "Some games companies, such as Nintendo, print warnings inside their game manuals that they do not allow users to make backup or archival copies. Whether or not these warnings in this specific form can be considered valid contracts is legally questionable." Your link also deals with the issue of cartridge-based software and the issue of Roms. It does not deal with a raw data format (it is specifically mentioned that converting it into a ROM is illegal, not copying the data as-is in a raw format), disc-based software, or ownership thereof of ROMS (that you yourself did not convert). Yes, it presents a precedent, but it is not quite applicable in this discussion as is. Discs (especially the high-capacity ones) are prone to data loss through many more means, and are much more volatile through regular use than originally thought. If you want a Disc to stay in perfect condition, you need to store it and not use it. This just is not possible for games that require the disc to play. This increases the possibility of scratches, warping, and many other hazards to the disc itself. As such, making a Digital Copy for Use and the Original Copy as a "Master CD" would be considered perfectly legal. If memory serves, the RIAA/Music Industry was denied a lawsuit before and as such, set precedent for Disc-based digital backups being legal. What is illegal (contractually, unless, again, you are decompiling a program which is also criminal) is breaking copy protection (as long as that copy protection is not invasive or destructive), and distribution.

One last thing. I suggest this conversation move in a more productive manner, or that people stop posting in this topic.
Title: Re: I won a PSP 3000 black
Post by: Yokto on October 25, 2009, 07:36:54 am
Good post Doomsday in going in to detail about the law. I take it is American law you referring to?
Title: Re: I won a PSP 3000 black
Post by: Doomsday on October 25, 2009, 12:36:01 pm
Yes, United States law.. but I'm the most layman of laymen when it comes to that and I rely on my memory and common sense about as much as any facts.
Title: Re: I won a PSP 3000 black
Post by: Magenti on October 25, 2009, 05:52:59 pm
It is most definately legal in the US.

Mag.. If your firmware is above 5.50, then you would have to buy a pandora battery.

I had 4.2 something which I upgraded to the right version and then flashed it so I can play any game whenever.

Works like a charm.
Title: Re: I won a PSP 3000 black
Post by: Kidsoldier on October 26, 2009, 12:42:32 am
Mmm.. my sister updated my psp to 6.0.. So none of my games work anymore
Title: Re: I won a PSP 3000 black
Post by: Magenti on October 26, 2009, 01:22:40 pm
Mmm.. my sister updating my psp to 6.0.. So none of my games work anymore
Slap her?