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Title: Starting a Band
Post by: Cow on September 08, 2009, 05:04:11 pm
OK, so me and my buds are getting together to start a band. Somehow, I got stuck being the singer. I'm pretty decent, but I could be better (e.g. I need help with volume, tone while "growling", etc). I need advice!

P.S. We're doing metal like Metallica, etc. I want to sound more like James Hetfield and less like Bob Dylan.
Title: Re: Starting a Band
Post by: Detoxicated on September 09, 2009, 01:51:31 am
What do you need advice on?
Title: Re: Starting a Band
Post by: Yannick on September 09, 2009, 06:25:59 am
Drink booze, smoke tobacco and scream all the time.
Title: Re: Starting a Band
Post by: Cow on September 09, 2009, 03:26:51 pm
What do you need advice on?


Well, organizing the group is a pain, especially at high school. We've filled out the roster, and I'm the weakest link. So, yeah, I need organizational help, plus singing advice.
Title: Re: Starting a Band
Post by: Daxx on September 09, 2009, 05:28:33 pm
Singing advice, such as it is - practice. Sing along to the sort of songs with the right vocal styles, and you'll get better. For practical singing advice there is always the internet but you have to practice to make that advice stick.

You should be singing at least three times a week (though try to give yourself breaks of a day or so every now and again to let your vocal chords recover). Drink plenty of liquids whilst you're singing, and know when to stop. Wrecking your throat is really bad news.

Organisational help: get together to practice at least once a week and do it at the same time in the same place. No excuses. If you can make practice a regular thing, you will all start getting better and it will become part of your routine. If you can practice more often, that's even better. Try to convince everyone else to practice on their own in the meantime, but don't nag or be pushy - not all musicians are dedicated. After a couple of months you'll be able to see who's not pulling their weight.

Establish who the front-man is before you start. If you are the lead vocalist, it's probably you, but you need to assert that dominance on stage. This doesn't mean you will lead the band in practice, but if the band doesn't know who its leader is then you're asking for trouble later on.

Set yourself a goal. Book a gig for a couple of months in the future, and let everyone know you're doing it. That way, you can't pull out and you have something to motivate you to practising and trying harder.
Title: Re: Starting a Band
Post by: Veraal on September 10, 2009, 11:24:32 am
I want to sound more like James Hetfield and less like Bob Dylan.

you're just 14, i remember having a really ***** voice as a kid, then suddenly i get a voice that makes it so that if i inhale a helium balloon, it goes back to normal, not squeaky.

Don't remember when i got a darker voice, but I'm sure in time you'll probably get a darker voice.
Title: Re: Starting a Band
Post by: dndfreak on September 10, 2009, 01:21:06 pm
Always thought about starting a band of my own, just never had the time nor the people.  Good luck with your endeavor!
Title: Re: Starting a Band
Post by: Cow on September 10, 2009, 04:39:19 pm
We know we're planning to preform "One" in November for the School Talent Show. It's weird, I can sing somewhere between baritone and tenor, but when I try to sound pissed off and really agressive (i.e James Hetfield's vocal style) it shoots up to a light voice that sounds like early Hetfield. I can barely maintain notes, due to that sound being out of my range, but it sounds wrong to sing it lower. It's just strange. I'll just practice, I guess.
Title: Re: Starting a Band
Post by: dndfreak on September 10, 2009, 05:59:15 pm
One U2, One Metallica, or One Simple Plan?  The title seems to be used a lot.
Title: Re: Starting a Band
Post by: Cow on September 10, 2009, 06:12:00 pm
One U2, One Metallica, or One Simple Plan?  The title seems to be used a lot.

Metallica. We all like them, and it fits my vocal style. I'm no Bono.

Anyway, I watched some live performances of One, and it's sung clean in most instances. That I can do fairly well.
Title: Re: Starting a Band
Post by: sporelord on September 12, 2009, 01:14:26 am
Well just make it sound alright, if all else fails rely on good frontman skills, Basically what i do in Dead on Arrival  ( punk, Rock band) Im vocals but we write our own material so its easier IMO as you can sing it how you like. But let me listen to one and ill get some tips for you dude.
Title: Re: Starting a Band
Post by: Cow on September 12, 2009, 05:49:53 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzgGTTtR0kc

I just realized how may solos are in this. My people might not be able to play it. We, instead, might play this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XX-KjkdDozQ
Title: Re: Starting a Band
Post by: Huckbuck on September 12, 2009, 08:45:48 am
I want to sound more like James Hetfield and less like Bob Dylan.

you're just 14, i remember having a really ***** voice as a kid, then suddenly i get a voice that makes it so that if i inhale a helium balloon, it goes back to normal, not squeaky.

Don't remember when i got a darker voice, but I'm sure in time you'll probably get a darker voice.

Congratulations! You have discovered puberty!
Title: Re: Starting a Band
Post by: Cow on September 12, 2009, 09:50:47 am
I want to sound more like James Hetfield and less like Bob Dylan.

you're just 14, i remember having a really ***** voice as a kid, then suddenly i get a voice that makes it so that if i inhale a helium balloon, it goes back to normal, not squeaky.

Don't remember when i got a darker voice, but I'm sure in time you'll probably get a darker voice.

Congratulations! You have discovered puberty!

Heh heh... That was pretty funny. But really, I already have voice deeper than a lot of fully-grown men, I just can't use it when I sing metal. This helps for songs like "Creeping Death" or "For Whom The Bell Tolls", though.
Title: Re: Starting a Band
Post by: sporelord on September 12, 2009, 11:37:57 pm
Hmm, I think either choice would work well, IF its a talent show you cant rely on frontman-ship. So just sing to your ipod/mp3 when you listen to music thats similar, ( i personally practise with Modern Punk and 80s glam metal, Odd occasion with maiden) Ones solo is pretty hard i remember it took our rhythm Guitarist about a month to learn it, But again it wasnt the only thing he was learning. I would do a proper run through of the song a few times together and record it, Then play it back to see where it all went Tits up. Something is bound to go wrong after all, and if you just cant nail the solo or style, Either write your own piece, or do For Whom the Bell Tolls.
Title: Re: Starting a Band
Post by: Cow on September 13, 2009, 09:57:20 am
I've got "Creeping Death"'s vocals down nigh perfectly, so I think we're going with that. Plus, it's a song about Moses kicking butt, so it's perfect for a Catholic School. Nothing goes over better than biblical figures owning people!
Title: Re: Starting a Band
Post by: dndfreak on September 13, 2009, 01:14:03 pm
That was rather lol-worthy.  Thank you for that.
Title: Re: Starting a Band
Post by: Cow on September 13, 2009, 06:49:48 pm
Uh-oh guys! I just realized my voice sounds terribly breathy! I recorded it... and well, it just sounded quiet and breathy. I haven't been singing standing up, so I don't know if that will help me project... Help!
Title: Re: Starting a Band
Post by: dndfreak on September 13, 2009, 06:57:45 pm
That's commonly the microphone, not your voice.  My old mic did the same thing.  Don't worry about it.  Extra tip though, when not singing or during breaths between words, move your mic farther from your mouth.  That'll help the performance by not blasting your gasps for air across the room during the show.
Title: Re: Starting a Band
Post by: Cow on September 13, 2009, 07:09:41 pm
That's commonly the microphone, not your voice.  My old mic did the same thing.  Don't worry about it.  Extra tip though, when not singing or during breaths between words, move your mic farther from your mouth.  That'll help the performance by not blasting your gasps for air across the room during the show.

Thanks. I bet if stood up and sang along to the music instead of singing by myself, it would sound better, too. Also, I was trying to use my Rock Band mic, so... yeah. I need to know what my voice sounds like, though. I guess I'll just ask my friends and bandmates tomorrow. Won't have time to warm up (doing lip rolls in class is weird), though, so I won't be at my peak.
Title: Re: Starting a Band
Post by: dndfreak on September 13, 2009, 07:15:00 pm
I was trying to use my Rock Band mic

Bingo!

You got a cell phone?  I'm willing to bet that the mic quality on that thing is actually better than the one from Rock Band.  The DSi mic is surprisingly decent as well.

Try recording yourself from your phone and see how it sounds.
Title: Re: Starting a Band
Post by: Cow on September 13, 2009, 07:22:12 pm
I was trying to use my Rock Band mic

Bingo!

You got a cell phone?  I'm willing to bet that the mic quality on that thing is actually better than the one from Rock Band.  The DSi mic is surprisingly decent as well.

Try recording yourself from your phone and see how it sounds.

Don't have a phone, but I have a rich friend with mics that might sound good. He uses them to record his expensive-ass drum set, so I bet they're high quality. I'll get him to let us come over to his house for try-outs/practice. One question: Does the "closing one ear with your finger and listening to your voice" trick really work?

P.S. I keep getting these waves of fear, and then confidence, over and over again. I hate that.
Title: Re: Starting a Band
Post by: dndfreak on September 13, 2009, 07:23:47 pm
I've honestly never heard of that trick.  I think I'll test it now.

TO AUDACITY!

It's a little inaccurate, but it's definitely better than my old mic.

Hot tip: Due to the unique structure and material of shower walls, singing in the shower creates an echo-y reverb effect, as if your voice was coming from speakers all around you.  That's also a good way to judge.
Title: Re: Starting a Band
Post by: Cow on September 13, 2009, 07:26:27 pm
I've honestly never heard of that trick.  I think I'll test it now.

TO AUDACITY!

I mean hearing your voice resonate through your head... Audacity won't help with that.
Title: Re: Starting a Band
Post by: dndfreak on September 13, 2009, 07:28:33 pm
I compared what I sounded like through the mic to what I sounded like doing the ear thing.
Title: Re: Starting a Band
Post by: Cow on September 13, 2009, 07:33:13 pm
I compared what I sounded like through the mic to what I sounded like doing the ear thing.

Right. How did that work out?
Title: Re: Starting a Band
Post by: dndfreak on September 13, 2009, 07:36:06 pm
I've honestly never heard of that trick.  I think I'll test it now.

TO AUDACITY!

It's a little inaccurate, but it's definitely better than my old mic.

Hot tip: Due to the unique structure and material of shower walls, singing in the shower creates an echo-y reverb effect, as if your voice was coming from speakers all around you.  That's also a good way to judge.
Title: Re: Starting a Band
Post by: Cow on September 13, 2009, 07:38:42 pm
I've honestly never heard of that trick.  I think I'll test it now.

TO AUDACITY!

It's a little inaccurate, but it's definitely better than my old mic.

Hot tip: Due to the unique structure and material of shower walls, singing in the shower creates an echo-y reverb effect, as if your voice was coming from speakers all around you.  That's also a good way to judge.

Cool tip, especially since I'll be doing this in a school gym. Echoes abound.
Title: Re: Starting a Band
Post by: sporelord on September 14, 2009, 11:51:29 pm
Oh yeah just read through last messages. Standing up and with the Music makes your singing so much better, Due to the fact you keep in time a lot better, Also i find it easier to keep tone right with music.
Title: Re: Starting a Band
Post by: dndfreak on September 14, 2009, 11:58:27 pm
It is true that standing up also helps, but the difference is usually negligible unless you're playing yourself back at four times your original volume.  But hey, the more accuracy the better!

So tell me, what'd the rest say when you asked them about how you sounded?
Title: Re: Starting a Band
Post by: sporelord on September 15, 2009, 12:09:01 am
First time i tried that i got 6/10 :p but because it was quiet because of the mic tbh, Once they heard it in person they said 8 hehe.
Title: Re: Starting a Band
Post by: Cow on September 15, 2009, 06:48:44 pm
It is true that standing up also helps, but the difference is usually negligible unless you're playing yourself back at four times your original volume.  But hey, the more accuracy the better!

So tell me, what'd the rest say when you asked them about how you sounded?

My friends think I'm a good singer, better than most, at least. I dunno, I think everybody can sing, but people don't try hard enough. Now, it's down to actually choosing a song. Should we all recommend one, and then vote? Or have everybody write five songs down, pass it around and have everybody mark off a song they don't like, and then vote? Does the bass players vote count as half a vote? One third of a vote? So many questions!
Title: Re: Starting a Band
Post by: dndfreak on September 15, 2009, 07:23:48 pm
SL, I was talking to cow.  Why I said REST OF THE BAND.
Title: Re: Starting a Band
Post by: sporelord on September 15, 2009, 11:40:33 pm
lol, im talking to cow aswell. Cow Just make sure every one is happy and Lead and You can play/sing it, Also dont get a cold 2 days before you first show/gig. hehe
Title: Re: Starting a Band
Post by: Detoxicated on September 16, 2009, 01:12:10 am
My friends think I'm a good singer, better than most, at least. I dunno, I think everybody can sing, but people don't try hard enough. Now, it's down to actually choosing a song. Should we all recommend one, and then vote? Or have everybody write five songs down, pass it around and have everybody mark off a song they don't like, and then vote? Does the bass players vote count as half a vote? One third of a vote? So many questions!
Bass Player gets full vote, no powerplays in a band you should all be equal. Your voting system is good.
Title: Re: Starting a Band
Post by: Cow on September 16, 2009, 04:11:17 pm
My friends think I'm a good singer, better than most, at least. I dunno, I think everybody can sing, but people don't try hard enough. Now, it's down to actually choosing a song. Should we all recommend one, and then vote? Or have everybody write five songs down, pass it around and have everybody mark off a song they don't like, and then vote? Does the bass players vote count as half a vote? One third of a vote? So many questions!
Bass Player gets full vote, no powerplays in a band you should all be equal. Your voting system is good.

Actually, the bass player thing was a bit of joke... They mixed out Jason Newstead on some Metallica songs. They were always being dicks to him, so he left the band. Our bass player doesn't even play yet, so I gotta get him to practice, easy as bass can be.
Title: Re: Starting a Band
Post by: sporelord on September 17, 2009, 10:05:09 am
ugh he doesnt play ?? and ugh how long do you have ?
Title: Re: Starting a Band
Post by: Cow on September 17, 2009, 03:09:52 pm
ugh he doesnt play ?? and ugh how long do you have ?

6-8 weeks. We'll make him practice until his fingers are broken, though.
Title: Re: Starting a Band
Post by: sporelord on September 18, 2009, 07:59:13 am
Oh thats ok, I have till christmas ish but we need a bassist first though soooo. If we get one Xmas it is if not then probably later.
Title: Re: Starting a Band
Post by: Cow on September 27, 2009, 03:39:08 pm
Ok, so our bass player left, so I might just take up playing bass if I can borrow one from our guitarists. One other dilemma: My voice  is too deep for fast thrash metal (i.e. early Hetfield). I read that it's more of a pissed off whisper than actually singing, but I dunno. Maybe I'm just too manly.
Title: Re: Starting a Band
Post by: dndfreak on September 28, 2009, 07:35:33 am
You can never be too manly.

Don't try to imitate other bands, try to make your music your own.  If you prefer singing in a different octave, sing in a different octave.  Chances are, a lot of people will enjoy a change.
Title: Re: Starting a Band
Post by: sporelord on September 30, 2009, 11:58:45 pm
Thats how i play, Seeing with my british accent. Half of american rock and punk rock fail with my accent, So i sing it in a different octave and differently so it works. BUT most of the time we just write our own stuff.
Title: Re: Starting a Band
Post by: Cow on October 01, 2009, 03:35:43 pm
A lot of the time, you can't hear the accent when people sing. Look at Bono. You can just barely pick out his accent when he sings.
Title: Re: Starting a Band
Post by: sporelord on October 02, 2009, 08:37:33 am
Lol No matter how hard i try, i sound to English. Seriously you know Americans have Baby in there song every 10 seconds, it sounds wrong if a brit sings it :P
Title: Re: Starting a Band
Post by: dndfreak on October 03, 2009, 06:28:41 pm
you know Americans have Baby in there song every 10 seconds

You must be thinking of African Americans.  See, I hate that too and I'm American.  Not trying to be racist, but I don't think I've ever heard a white guy sing "baby" in a song written in the last twenty years.
Title: Re: Starting a Band
Post by: Cow on October 03, 2009, 06:54:59 pm
you know Americans have Baby in there song every 10 seconds

You must be thinking of African Americans.  See, I hate that too and I'm American.  Not trying to be racist, but I don't think I've ever heard a white guy sing "baby" in a song written in the last twenty years.

Well, you're horribly wrong, but I can't be bothered to bring up examples. Just think of country music.
Title: Re: Starting a Band
Post by: dndfreak on October 03, 2009, 07:02:56 pm
Those aren't people, let alone white people.  Those are southerners.  They are much worse.
Title: Re: Starting a Band
Post by: Cow on October 03, 2009, 08:01:34 pm
OK, then, Vanilla Ice!
Title: Re: Starting a Band
Post by: dndfreak on October 03, 2009, 08:06:05 pm

I've never heard a white guy sing "baby" in a song written in the last twenty years.
Title: Re: Starting a Band
Post by: sporelord on October 04, 2009, 02:14:09 am
Ive heard white guys sing it, just not outisde america eg Poison van halen and such all use baby ott.
Title: Re: Starting a Band
Post by: Cow on March 20, 2010, 06:04:07 pm
Semi-necro post? Not really?

Anyway, huge fail. Just when things began to come together last year, I discovered my charisma wasn't enough to bring a group together who had differing musical tastes and who were in different groups of friends (personality conflicts and such). I'm still trying, and I have another friend (with the will to start a band) who is just waiting on the money to buy a decent bass guitar. In fact, looking back, I would say that we're closer than ever to truly forming and keeping a band together, considering I've managed to coalesce a group with similar interests. How naive I was... about 6 months ago.

P.S. Sorry for not keeping you posted, I guess.

Edit: I may also be hired on to replace the singer in my friend's band. Their singer is awful, and they wasted their money cutting a record with him.