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Title: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Gungnir on January 05, 2009, 04:29:07 pm
So I found this philosophy quiz after clicking a link on Brandonazz's profile, which lead to his blog, which lead to me looking up this quiz, and it seems pretty interesting. Unsurprisingly, I turned out to be a selfish bastard...sorta. The quiz is two pages long and shouldn't take you much time.
http://quizfarm.com/quizzes/new/arocoun/what-philosophy-do-you-follow-v103/

Anyway, here's how I scored...

You Scored as Strong Egoism

Your life is very much guided by the concept of <b>Egoism</b>: You work primarily to promote your own interests.
“I swear by my life, and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.”
“I am not primarily an advocate of capitalism, but of egoism; and I am not primarily an advocate of egoism, but of reason. If one recognizes the supremacy of reason and applies it consistently, all the rest follows.”
-Ayn Rand
More info at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Arocoun

Strong Egoism 90%
Justice (Fairness) 70%
Hedonism    70%
Existentialism 55%
Kantianism    50%
Apathy 45%
Nihilism 40%
Utilitarianism 15%
Divine Command  15%



A list/table of scores. Brandonazz posted this on page...4, I think.
Strong Egoism
Justice/Fairness
Hedonism
Existentialism
Kantianism
Apathy
Nihilism
Utilitarianism
Divine Command
(SE)
(J)
(H)
(E)
(K)
(A)
(N)
(U)
(D)
_________________________________

Gungnir
Kaizer
Met
Celdur
Cobra
Veraal
Person21
/lurk
Krakow Sam
Munchkin5 (Tie)
Flisch (Tie)
Martyk
Ultimatum
Mr. Wizard
Gunner
Haseri
Patman33 (Tie)
Razonatair
Josasa
Andrew Ryan
Brandonazz
DoctorZ
Gauphastus
MetallicDragon
Uroboros
Hammerman
Great Distance
Kratok
Oviraptor
Flamester
LadyM
Kenotai
Neoadept
Alwayswatching
Blarg
Grangan
Orly
Inkling
(SE/J)
(SE/E)
(SE/H)
(H/J)
(H/E)
(H/E)
(H/E)
(H/U)
(H/K)
(H/K)
(J/H)
(J/E)
(J/E)
(U/J)
(U/K)
(U/H)
(U/E)
(E/U)
(E/SE)
(E/SE)
(E/H)
(E/H)
(E/H)
(E/H)
(E/H)
(E/H)
(E/H)
(E/H)
(E/H)
(E/J)
(E/J)
(E/N)
(E/N)
(E/?)
(D/H)
(D/J)
(D/J)
(D/J)
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Krakow Sam on January 05, 2009, 04:37:14 pm

You Scored as Hedonism

Your life is guided by the principles of Hedonism: You believe that pleasure is a great, or the greatest, good; and you try to enjoy life’s pleasures as much as you can. “Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die!”

Hedonism    100%
Kantianism    75%
Utilitarianism 70%
Existentialism 60%
Justice (Fairness) 60%
Strong Egoism    45%
Apathy    25%
Nihilism    20%
Divine Command    0%

straight to hell!
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Kaizer on January 05, 2009, 04:40:59 pm

You Scored as Strong Egoism

Your life is very much guided by the concept of <b>Egoism</b>: You work primarily to promote your own interests. <br><br>“I swear by my life, and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.” <br>“I am not primarily an advocate of capitalism, but of egoism; and I am not primarily an advocate of egoism, but of reason. If one recognizes the supremacy of reason and applies it consistently, all the rest follows.” <br>--Ayn Rand <br><br>More info at <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Arocoun">Arocoun's Wikipedia User Page...</a>

Strong Egoism    
   95%
Existentialism    
   80%
Justice (Fairness)    
   80%
Kantianism    
   80%
Hedonism    
   75%
Nihilism    
   70%
Utilitarianism    
   35%
Apathy    
   30%
Divine Command    
   5%

thought my apathy would be lower..
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Brandonazz on January 05, 2009, 04:43:00 pm
Last time I took it, I had a rough tie between existentialism and utilitarianism.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Krakow Sam on January 05, 2009, 04:47:45 pm
You people and your egos make me sick!

*lounges on chaise longue and eats grapes*
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Brandonazz on January 05, 2009, 04:49:15 pm
You Scored as Existentialism

Your life is guided by the concept of Existentialism: You choose the meaning and purpose of your life.
“Man is condemned to be free; because once thrown into the world, he is responsible for everything he does.”
“It is up to you to give [life] a meaning.”
--Jean-Paul Sartre
“It is man's natural sickness to believe that he possesses the Truth.”
--Blaise Pascal

Existentialism    
   70%
Hedonism    
   65%
Utilitarianism    
   55%
Justice (Fairness)    
   50%
Strong Egoism    
   50%
Nihilism    
   45%
Kantianism    
   30%
Apathy    
   15%
Divine Command    
   0%
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Gungnir on January 05, 2009, 04:50:04 pm
KS idolizes hedonismbot.

(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g107/greatamericantaliban/Hedonismbot-1.jpg)
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Grangan on January 05, 2009, 04:54:16 pm
Divine Command 
 100%
Justice (Fairness) 
 85%
Kantianism 
 60%
Apathy 
 55%
Strong Egoism 
 50%
Existentialism 
 40%
Nihilism 
 30%
Hedonism 
 20%
Utilitarianism 
 15%
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Celdur on January 05, 2009, 04:56:02 pm
Hedonism     
   90%
Existentialism    
   80%
Utilitarianism    
   45%
Kantianism    
   40%
Apathy    
   40%
Justice (Fairness)    
   35%
Strong Egoism    
   25%
Nihilism    
   0%
Divine Command    
   0%


same as sam

wee
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Raz on January 05, 2009, 05:16:45 pm
You Scored as Existentialism
Your life is guided by the concept of Existentialism: You choose the meaning and purpose of your life.

“Man is condemned to be free; because once thrown into the world, he is responsible for everything he does.”
“It is up to you to give [life] a meaning.”
--Jean-Paul Sartre

“It is man's natural sickness to believe that he possesses the Truth.”
--Blaise Pascal



Existentialism 
 100%
Utilitarianism 
 70%
Justice (Fairness) 
 65%
Hedonism 
 60%
Kantianism 
 55%
Divine Command 
 20%
Nihilism 
 5%
Apathy 
 0%
Strong Egoism 
 0%

Strange, wouldn't have guessed I was closest to existentialism, and totally without apathy or strong egoism.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Cobra on January 05, 2009, 05:25:01 pm
I got Hedonism at about 65% and Justice 2nd on 60%.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Doctor Z on January 05, 2009, 05:31:40 pm
Existentialism     
   90%
Hedonism    
   80%
Nihilism    
   65%
Kantianism    
   60%
Justice (Fairness)    
   55%
Strong Egoism    
   55%
Apathy    
   45%
Utilitarianism    
   45%
Divine Command    
   0%


>_>
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: emmet on January 05, 2009, 06:07:34 pm
I'm an existentialist.

Well, I already knew that... ::)

So who here wants to discuss the Meaning?!
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Neoadept on January 05, 2009, 06:13:48 pm
You Scored as Existentialism

Your life is guided by the concept of Existentialism: You choose the meaning and purpose of your life.
“Man is condemned to be free; because once thrown into the world, he is responsible for everything he does.”
 “It is up to you to give [life] a meaning.” --Jean-Paul Sartre
“It is man's natural sickness to believe that he possesses the Truth.”

Existentialism---------65%
Nihilism---------------60%
Hedonism-------------55%
Strong Egoism--------55%
Kantianism------------45%
Utilitarianism---------45%
Apathy----------------40%
Justice (Fairness)-----40%
Divine Command------0%

Pretty even distribution there.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: martyk on January 05, 2009, 06:24:03 pm
Woo!  Justice!

Your life is guided by the concept of Fair Justice:
Everyone, yourself included, should be rewarded and punished according to the help or harm they cause.

"He who does not punish evil commands it to be done."
--Leonardo da Vinci

“Though force can protect in emergency, only justice, fairness, consideration and cooperation can finally lead men to the dawn of eternal peace.”
--Dwight D. Eisenhower

More info at <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Arocoun">Arocoun's Wikipedia User Page...</a>

Justice (Fairness) 
 85%
Existentialism 
 80%
Strong Egoism 
 75%
Kantianism 
 55%
Hedonism 
 50%
Nihilism 
 35%
Apathy 
 25%
Utilitarianism 
 10%
Divine Command 
 0%
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Blarg on January 05, 2009, 06:32:22 pm
You Scored as Divine Command
Your life is directed by Divine Command: Your god and religion give you meaning and direction. “Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations.”

Divine Command 
 95%
Hedonism 
 75%
Utilitarianism 
 65%
Justice (Fairness) 
 55%
Apathy 
 45%
Existentialism 
 40%
Kantianism 
 40%
Strong Egoism 
 25%
Nihilism 
 

Well, no surprise there. I am ruled by God, but that doesn't mean I can't have fun!
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Orly on January 05, 2009, 06:47:32 pm
Hmm, as evidenced by my first post, i am a Proud Zealot! Go Team God!

Divine Command 
 100%
Justice (Fairness) 
 85%
Kantianism 
 70%
Utilitarianism 
 60%
Existentialism 
 60%
Strong Egoism 
 40%
Apathy 
 35%
Hedonism 
 25%
Nihilism 
 Zilch%
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Gauphastus on January 05, 2009, 07:04:38 pm

Existentialism    
   65%
Hedonism    
   55%
Justice (Fairness)    
   50%
Strong Egoism    
   50%
Apathy    
   45%
Kantianism    
   40%
Nihilism    
   40%
Utilitarianism    
   35%
Divine Command    
   30%


Bit of everything, like usual.
Meh.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: MetallicDragon on January 05, 2009, 07:08:08 pm

You Scored as Existentialism

Your life is guided by the concept of Existentialism: You choose the meaning and purpose of your life. “Man is condemned to be free; because once thrown into the world, he is responsible for everything he does.” “It is up to you to give [life] a meaning.” --Jean-Paul Sartre “It is man's natural sickness to believe that he possesses the Truth.” --Blaise Pascal More info at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Arocoun
Existentialism       85%
Hedonism       75%
Utilitarianism       70%
Strong Egoism       60%
Kantianism       55%
Apathy       50%
Justice (Fairness)       50%
Nihilism       50%
Divine Command       0%

I was expecting Utilitarianism, but this is not surprising either.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Raz on January 05, 2009, 07:18:03 pm
Seems to be mostly existentialism and divine command among the people that have taken it.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Neoadept on January 05, 2009, 07:19:59 pm
And Hedonism, don't forget hedonism!
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Grangan on January 05, 2009, 07:29:46 pm
Hmm, as evidenced by my first post, i am a Proud Zealot! Go Team God!

Divine Command 
 100%
Justice (Fairness) 
 85%
Kantianism 
 70%
Utilitarianism 
 60%
Existentialism 
 60%
Strong Egoism 
 40%
Apathy 
 35%
Hedonism 
 25%
Nihilism 
 Zilch%

Was I the first guy to be led by Divine Command?
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Josasa on January 05, 2009, 07:34:17 pm
Another existentialist.

Existentialism   
100%
Strong Egoism   
80%
Hedonism   
70%
Kantianism   
65%
Justice    
55%
Nihilism   
50%
Utilitarianism   
45%
Apathy   
10%
Divine Command

Don't know how i got such a high Kantianism score though, or a 100% for existentialism either.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 05, 2009, 07:34:57 pm
I got about 85% Existentialism and 80% Strong Egoism.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Uroboros on January 05, 2009, 07:36:03 pm
Existentialism      80%
Hedonism      75%
Justice (Fairness)   75%
Utilitarianism      70%
Kantianism      50%
Apathy         40%
Strong Egoism      40%
Nihilism          20%
Divine Command      5%
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Met on January 05, 2009, 07:36:51 pm
Strong Egoism     
   80%
Hedonism    
   70%
Justice (Fairness)    
   65%
Kantianism    
   55%
Apathy    
   50%
Utilitarianism    
   50%
Existentialism    
   50%
Nihilism    
   20%
Divine Command    
   20%
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Hammerman58 on January 05, 2009, 07:37:47 pm
You Scored as Existentialism

Existentialism    
   100%
Hedonism    
   90%
Strong Egoism    
   85%
Nihilism    
   60%
Utilitarianism    
   55%
Kantianism    
   50%
Justice (Fairness)    
   35%
Apathy    
   25%
Divine Command    
   0%
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Gunner on January 05, 2009, 07:57:00 pm
Utilitarianism

Your life is guided by the principles of <b>Utilitarianism</b>: You seek the greatest good for the greatest number. <br><br>“The said truth is that it is the greatest happiness of the greatest number that is the measure of right and wrong.” <br>--Jeremy Bentham <br><br>“Whenever the general disposition of the people is such, that each individual regards those only of his interests which are selfish, and does not dwell on, or concern himself for, his share of the general interest, in such a state of things, good government is impossible.” <br>--John Stuart Mill <br><br>More info at <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Arocoun">Arocoun's Wikipedia User Page...</a>

Utilitarianism    
   65%
Kantianism    
   65%
Existentialism    
   55%
Hedonism    
   55%
Justice (Fairness)    
   50%
Nihilism    
   40%
Apathy    
   35%
Strong Egoism    
   25%
Divine Command    
   5%

Whoo?
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Gungnir on January 05, 2009, 07:57:38 pm
Seems like most existentialists are atheists/have little concern for divine command...

Just in general.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Inkling on January 05, 2009, 09:35:30 pm
Hey, I'm not the only one who ended up with Divine Command.

Divine Command 
 80%
Justice (Fairness) 
 60%
Utilitarianism 
 55%
Existentialism 
 45%
Hedonism 
 40%
Kantianism 
 35%
Apathy 
 30%
Strong Egoism 
 30%
Nihilism 
 5%

Most of my answers were slightly agree/slightly disagree, which I guess is why most numbers are close to the middle.  Screw you, Nihilism.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 05, 2009, 09:37:39 pm
Screw you, Nihilism.

YAH!!!

*High-Fives*
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: PatMan33 on January 05, 2009, 11:24:24 pm
You Scored as Utilitarianism

Your life is guided by the principles of Utilitarianism: You seek the greatest good for the greatest number.

“The said truth is that it is the greatest happiness of the greatest number that is the measure of right and wrong.”
--Jeremy Bentham

“Whenever the general disposition of the people is such, that each individual regards those only of his interests which are selfish, and does not dwell on, or concern himself for, his share of the general interest, in such a state of things, good government is impossible.”
--John Stuart Mill

Utilitarianism    
   100%
Existentialism    
   100%
Hedonism    
   80%
Kantianism    
   60%
Justice (Fairness)    
   50%
Strong Egoism    
   35%
Apathy    
   25%
Divine Command    
   15%
Nihilism    
   0%

Had to go into a tie breaker... See you stupid jerks? I just want you all to be happy!! >:(
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Krakow Sam on January 06, 2009, 01:53:49 am
Most of my answers were slightly agree/slightly disagree, which I guess is why most numbers are close to the middle.  Screw you, Nihilism.

But don't you see? By forsaking nihilism you... embrace it  :o
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Great Distance on January 06, 2009, 03:22:01 am
You Scored as Existentialism

Existentialism 
 85%
Hedonism 
 70%
Strong Egoism 
 70%
Nihilism 
 65%
Apathy 
 60%
Kantianism 
 55%
Justice (Fairness) 
 50%
Utilitarianism 
 50%
Divine Command 
 15%

Oh, I have no problem with Nihilism. To me it leads straight to Existentialism. Nothing has a meaning, so we must make up our own. I've also figured that the best meaning you can come up with so far is just enjoying yourself.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Ultimatum on January 06, 2009, 05:28:27 am
You Scored as Existentialism You choose the meaning and purpose of your life

“Man is condemned to be free; because once thrown into the world, he is responsible for everything he does.”
“It is up to you to give [life] a meaning.”
--Jean-Paul Sartre

Justice (Fairness) 
 75%
Existentialism 
 75%
Utilitarianism 
 50%
Hedonism 
 30%
Kantianism 
 25%
Apathy 
 25%
Strong Egoism 
 0%
Nihilism 
 0%
Divine Command 
 0%
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Flisch on January 06, 2009, 08:09:29 am
Had a tiebreaker.

You Scored as Justice (Fairness)

Your life is guided by the concept of Fair Justice: Everyone, yourself included, should be rewarded and punished according to the help or harm they cause.
"He who does not punish evil commands it to be done." --Leonardo da Vinci
Though force can protect in emergency, only justice, fairness, consideration and cooperation can finally lead men to the dawn of eternal peace.” --Dwight D. Eisenhower

70% Hedonism       
70% Justice (Fairness)
65% Apathy
60% Kantianism
50% Nihilism
50% Utilitarianism
45% Strong Egoism
35% Existentialism
0%  Divine Command
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Plank of Wood on January 06, 2009, 08:19:49 am
Quote
You Scored as Hedonism
Your life is guided by the principles of <b>Hedonism</b>: You believe that pleasure is a great, or the greatest, good; and you try to enjoy life’s pleasures as much as you can. <br><br>“Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die!” <br><br>More info at <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Arocoun">Arocoun's Wikipedia User Page...</a>



Existentialism 
 100%
Hedonism 
 100%
Kantianism 
 80%
Utilitarianism 
 75%
Justice (Fairness) 
 60%
Strong Egoism 
 50%
Nihilism 
 50%
Apathy 
 30%
Divine Command 
 10%


lolwut

 

Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Veraal on January 06, 2009, 08:46:38 am
You Scored as Hedonism

Your life is guided by the principles of Hedonism: You believe that pleasure is a great, or the greatest, good; and you try to enjoy life’s pleasures as much as you can. “Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die!”


Hedonism 
 100%
Existentialism 
 90%
Nihilism 
 90%
Strong Egoism 
 85%
Kantianism 
 55%
Justice (Fairness) 
 50%
Apathy 
 35%
Utilitarianism 
 15%
Divine Command 
 0%

Hm.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Person21 on January 06, 2009, 08:59:03 am
Hedonism     
   90%
Existentialism    
   90%
Utilitarianism    
   70%
Nihilism    
   65%
Justice (Fairness)    
   55%
Kantianism    
   50%
Strong Egoism    
   45%
Apathy    
   40%
Divine Command    
   0%

Pretty much what I expected.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: munchkin5 on January 06, 2009, 09:28:37 am
You Scored as Hedonism
Your life is guided by the principles of Hedonism: You believe that pleasure is a great, or the greatest, good; and you try to enjoy life’s pleasures as much as you can. "Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die!”


Kantianism 
 80%
Hedonism 
 80%
Justice (Fairness) 
 70%
Strong Egoism 
 70%
Existentialism 
 70%
Apathy 
 50%
Utilitarianism 
 45%
Nihilism 
 25%
Divine Command 
 0%

I actually completely agree with my results.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Kratok on January 06, 2009, 10:24:30 am
I was sort of expecting Hedonism to win

You Scored as Existentialism
Your life is guided by the concept of <b>Existentialism</b>: You choose the meaning and purpose of your life. <br><br>“Man is condemned to be free; because once thrown into the world, he is responsible for everything he does.” <br>“It is up to you to give [life] a meaning.” <br>--Jean-Paul Sartre <br><br>“It is man's natural sickness to believe that he possesses the Truth.” <br>--Blaise Pascal <br><br>More info at <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Arocoun">Arocoun's Wikipedia User Page...</a>



Existentialism 
 95%
Hedonism 
 90%
Strong Egoism 
 80%
Apathy 
 50%
Utilitarianism 
 45%
Kantianism 
 45%
Nihilism 
 40%
Justice (Fairness) 
 35%
Divine Command 
 0%

Screw you, God!

No, not really. Sorry >_>
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Veraal on January 06, 2009, 12:03:39 pm
Screw you, God!

Yeah! High five, dog!
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Haseri on January 06, 2009, 12:09:16 pm
You Scored as Utilitarianism

Your life is guided by the principles of Utilitarianism: You seek the greatest good for the greatest number.

“The said truth is that it is the greatest happiness of the greatest number that is the measure of right and wrong.”
--Jeremy Bentham

“Whenever the general disposition of the people is such, that each individual regards those only of his interests which are selfish, and does not dwell on, or concern himself for, his share of the general interest, in such a state of things, good government is impossible.” <br>--John Stuart Mill

Utilitarianism 
 80%
Hedonism 
 75%
Existentialism 
 70%
Justice (Fairness) 
 65%
Kantianism 
 55%
Apathy 
 50%
Strong Egoism 
 45%
Nihilism 
 30%
Divine Command 
 0%

Yeah that's me. Trying to make the most people happy.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: emmet on January 06, 2009, 12:41:22 pm
OMFG! A COMMUNIST! GET 'IM BOYS!
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Flamester_ on January 06, 2009, 12:51:21 pm
You Scored as Existentialism

Your life is guided by the concept of Existentialism: You choose the meaning and purpose of your life. “Man is condemned to be free; because once thrown into the world, he is responsible for everything he does.”

“It is up to you to give life a meaning.” --Jean-Paul Sartre

“It is man's natural sickness to believe that he possesses the Truth.” --Blaise Pascal

Existentialism    
   85%
Justice (Fairness)    
   80%
Hedonism    
   70%
Kantianism    
   65%
Strong Egoism    
   60%
Nihilism    
   60%
Divine Command    
   50%
Utilitarianism    
   40%
Apathy    
   30%
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: /lurk on January 06, 2009, 01:10:41 pm
You Scored as Hedonism

Your life is guided by the principles of Hedonism: You believe that pleasure is a great, or the greatest, good; and you try to enjoy life’s pleasures as much as you can.

“Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die!”

Hedonism    
   75%
Utilitarianism    
   50%
Strong Egoism    
   40%
Existentialism    
   40%
Kantianism    
   35%
Justice (Fairness)    
   35%
Nihilism    
   25%
Apathy    
   15%
Divine Command    
   0%

I believe in... stuff. Kinda.

Well, okay, not really. Pass the grapes!
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Grangan on January 06, 2009, 01:56:37 pm
You know what's funny?  That quote is so often used by Hedonists, despite the fact that it was originally from the Bible, as "The fool who says 'Eat, drink, and be merry, for tommorrow we die!'"
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Kenotai on January 06, 2009, 02:07:10 pm
You Scored as Existentialism

Your life is guided by the concept of Existentialism: You choose the meaning and purpose of your life.
“Man is condemned to be free; because once thrown into the world, he is responsible for everything he does.” 

“It is up to you to give life a meaning.”
  Jean-Paul Sartre

“It is man's natural sickness to believe that he possesses the Truth.”
  Blaise Pascal

Existentialism    100%
Nihilism    85%
Strong Egoism    75%
Kantianism    75%
Hedonism    70%
Justice (Fairness)    50%
Utilitarianism    45%
Apathy    20%
Divine Command    20%
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: MetallicDragon on January 06, 2009, 02:16:08 pm
You know what's funny?  That quote is so often used by Hedonists, despite the fact that it was originally from the Bible, as "The fool who says 'Eat, drink, and be merry, for tommorrow we die!'"

And isn't it funny that all these Hedonists have a 0% in Divine Command?
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Gungnir on January 06, 2009, 02:19:58 pm
Just because you're a hedonist doesn't mean you're an atheist (although judging from these trends, yes). Also, simply because the Bible is a religious document doesn't mean that it doesn't contain stuff that anyone can quote/use, regardless of their religion.


Not too many other selfish bastards like me/kaizer out there. Although, utilitarianism seems to be a bit lower in general that strong egotism.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: LadyM on January 06, 2009, 02:31:42 pm
You Scored as Existentialism

Your life is guided by the concept of Existentialism: You choose the meaning and purpose of your life.
“Man is condemned to be free; because once thrown into the world, he is responsible for everything he does.”
“It is up to you to give [life] a meaning.” --Jean-Paul Sartre
“It is man's natural sickness to believe that he possesses the Truth.” --Blaise Pascal

Existentialism    
   90%
Justice (Fairness)    
   75%
Hedonism    
   60%
Kantianism    
   60%
Utilitarianism    
   55%
Apathy    
   40%
Strong Egoism    
   30%
Nihilism    
   20%
Divine Command    
   20%
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Krakow Sam on January 06, 2009, 02:36:16 pm
You know what's funny?  That quote is so often used by Hedonists, despite the fact that it was originally from the Bible, as "The fool who says 'Eat, drink, and be merry, for tommorrow we die!'"

and we're saying he's not a fool. Simple.

Not believing in an afterlife certainly does place more importance of enjoying this life though.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: emmet on January 06, 2009, 02:44:33 pm
Caution: Religious Debate Imminent!
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Oviraptor on January 06, 2009, 02:45:41 pm
Existentialism     
   75%
Hedonism    
   70%
Apathy    
   60%
Utilitarianism    
   55%
Justice (Fairness)    
   55%
Strong Egoism    
   50%
Kantianism    
   50%
Nihilism    
   30%
Divine Command    
   0%
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Legodragonxp on January 06, 2009, 02:50:23 pm
You Scored as Justice (Fairness)
Your life is guided by the concept of Fair Justice: Everyone, yourself included, should be rewarded and punished according to the help or harm they cause.

"He who does not punish evil commands it to be done."
Leonardo da Vinci

“Though force can protect in emergency, only justice, fairness, consideration and cooperation can finally lead men to the dawn of eternal peace.”
Dwight D. Eisenhower



Justice (Fairness) 
 80%
Hedonism 
 70%
Existentialism 
 60%
Utilitarianism 
 50%
Kantianism 
 45%
Apathy 
 45%
Strong Egoism 
 40%
Nihilism 
 40%
Divine Command 
 0%

-Lego

Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Brandonazz on January 06, 2009, 02:53:06 pm
Strong Egoism
Justice/Fairness
Hedonism
Existentialism
Kantianism
Apathy
Nihilism
Utilitarianism
Divine Command
(SE)
(J)
(H)
(E)
(K)
(A)
(N)
(U)
(D)
_________________________________

Gungnir
Kaizer
Met
Celdur
Cobra
Veraal
Person21
/lurk
Krakow Sam
Munchkin5 (Tie)
Flisch (Tie)
Martyk
Ultimatum
Mr. Wizard
Gunner
Haseri
Patman33 (Tie)
Razonatair
Josasa
Andrew Ryan
Brandonazz
DoctorZ
Gauphastus
MetallicDragon
Uroboros
Hammerman
Great Distance
Kratok
Oviraptor
Flamester
LadyM
Kenotai
Neoadept
Alwayswatching
Blarg
Grangan
Orly
Inkling
(SE/J)
(SE/E)
(SE/H)
(H/J)
(H/E)
(H/E)
(H/E)
(H/U)
(H/K)
(H/K)
(J/H)
(J/E)
(J/E)
(U/J)
(U/K)
(U/H)
(U/E)
(E/U)
(E/SE)
(E/SE)
(E/H)
(E/H)
(E/H)
(E/H)
(E/H)
(E/H)
(E/H)
(E/H)
(E/H)
(E/J)
(E/J)
(E/N)
(E/N)
(E/?)
(D/H)
(D/J)
(D/J)
(D/J)
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Inkling on January 06, 2009, 03:11:17 pm
Hey, could you use another color for Divine Command?  All the religious types are just about invisible.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Kenobro on January 06, 2009, 03:24:13 pm
You Scored as Justice (Fairness)

Your life is guided by the concept of <b>Fair Justice</b>: Everyone, yourself included, should be rewarded and punished according to the help or harm they cause. <br><br>"He who does not punish evil commands it to be done." <br>--Leonardo da Vinci <br><br>“Though force can protect in emergency, only justice, fairness, consideration and cooperation can finally lead men to the dawn of eternal peace.” <br>--Dwight D. Eisenhower <br><br>More info at <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Arocoun">Arocoun's Wikipedia User Page...</a>

Justice (Fairness)    
   0%
Hedonism    
   0%
Apathy    
   0%
Divine Command    
   0%
Strong Egoism    
   0%
Existentialism    
   0%
Kantianism    
   0%
Nihilism    
   0%
Utilitarianism    
   0%
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Mr. Wizard on January 06, 2009, 03:35:25 pm
I scored Utilitarianism at 80% and Justice at 75%.

You have probably read these descriptions a half dozen times before getting to this post. :P
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: PatMan33 on January 06, 2009, 03:49:31 pm
Hey, could you use another color for Divine Command?  All the religious types are just about invisible.

Exactly.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Brandonazz on January 06, 2009, 04:01:00 pm
Hey, could you use another color for Divine Command?  All the religious types are just about invisible.

Changed!
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Orly on January 06, 2009, 04:18:41 pm
Are you sure? it still shows up as invisible to me.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Krakow Sam on January 06, 2009, 04:28:17 pm
I can see it fine. Guess its only visible if you have true faith in atheism.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Kenobro on January 06, 2009, 04:33:37 pm
I can see it aswell.

Where is confucianism?


Also, I scored 0 on them all, what the heck?
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 06, 2009, 04:38:42 pm
I can see it fine. Guess its only visible if you have true faith in atheism.

But I also have true faith in Atheism...

I most be going blind!  :o
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Brandonazz on January 06, 2009, 04:40:02 pm
Who let Libertarian #2 out of his cage?

EDIT: Alright, enough of this colorful foolishness. I changed it to moroon.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 06, 2009, 04:50:01 pm
Who let Libertarian #2 out of his cage?

I'm Libertarian #2? Just who is this Libertarian #1 then?
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Brandonazz on January 06, 2009, 04:52:13 pm
Razonatair
Josasa
Andrew Ryan

Brandonazz
(E/U)
(E/SE)
(E/SE)

(E/H)
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 06, 2009, 04:52:54 pm
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

 :'(
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Josasa on January 06, 2009, 04:54:25 pm
Don't worry, we can work together!
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 06, 2009, 04:56:26 pm
Your right...

*Grabs hand*

Come on, we'll rule this forum like real men!
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Brandonazz on January 06, 2009, 04:57:16 pm
(http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh297/aritra_chaudhuri/screenshot0001.jpg)

I don't think so, Andrew.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: PatMan33 on January 06, 2009, 05:01:39 pm
You've got to get past me and my Half-Life mugs.

*evil laugh*
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 06, 2009, 05:03:19 pm
Oh I think I can do that...

*Takes out nine-iron*
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Neoadept on January 06, 2009, 06:03:03 pm
Mistake:  I'm existentialist/nihilist, not existentialist/hedonist.

Oh, and Andrew...

*Neoadept activates Nihilist Operandi: Ultimately Futile!*

Go ahead, make your little power play.  In a thousand years no one will care that you existed.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: PatMan33 on January 06, 2009, 06:06:44 pm
Neo, nobody cares that he exists now! Did you just achieve ultimate victory?
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Neoadept on January 06, 2009, 06:10:21 pm
*Andrew Ryan is pummeled!*

*Neoadept has won!*

*Neoadept levels up!*
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 06, 2009, 06:28:18 pm
Victory.... IN DEATH!!!

*Explodes in a nuclear explosion, taking everyone with him*
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Doctor Z on January 06, 2009, 06:30:43 pm
*coughs, then grabs the emergency brake on the train to prevent the crashing into the tree*
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Neoadept on January 06, 2009, 06:37:27 pm
*Neoadept activates Nihilist Operandi:  Not Like I Was Immortal!*

*Neoadept established that life and death are largely meaningless labels!*

*Neoadept returns to life (which is meaningless)!*

You can't beat nihilism, Andrew.  Even defeat is ultimately proof that we're right.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 06, 2009, 06:42:23 pm
*Rises from the dead*

DIE FOREIGNER!!1

*Re-explodes in a nuclear explosion, jumping straight onto Neoadapt as to incinerate his body*
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: PatMan33 on January 06, 2009, 06:46:23 pm
Haha... you're not smart.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Neoadept on January 06, 2009, 06:54:56 pm
*Neoadept is destroyed!*

*Neoadept is ultimately proved right about the futility of existence and levels up!*

*Neoadept is evolving!  Neoadept has become Nothing!*

*This volume of True Vacuum proves to be more stable than the surrounding universe and expands at the speed of light!*

*The universe is destroyed!*

Do you see what you made me do?
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Brandonazz on January 06, 2009, 06:58:41 pm
Go ahead, make your little power play.  In a thousand years no one will care that you existed.

(http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii120/Brandonazz/MakeHistory.png)
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Neoadept on January 06, 2009, 07:02:06 pm
*Existentialism Operandi:  I Know, But I've Decided Not To Care!*

*It's Super Effective!*
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: /lurk on January 06, 2009, 07:34:52 pm
This is stupid.

Let's orgy instead.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Mr. Wizard on January 06, 2009, 07:36:56 pm
That would satisfy the Utilitarians.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 06, 2009, 07:40:10 pm
This is stupid.

Let's orgy instead.

>.>

<.<

Somebody call Doctor Z!!!
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Inkling on January 06, 2009, 07:42:54 pm
*backs away*
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Josasa on January 06, 2009, 07:48:04 pm
Strong Egoism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objectivism_(Ayn_Rand))
Justice/Fairness (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice)
Hedonism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedonism)
Existentialism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existentialism)
Kantianism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kantianism)
Apathy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apathy)
Nihilism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism)
Utilitarianism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilitarianism)
Divine Command (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_command)
(SE)
(J)
(H)
(E)
(K)
(A)
(N)
(U)
(D)
_________________________________

Gungnir (http://www.gamingsteve.com/blab/index.php?topic=15554.msg656913#msg656913)
Kaizer (http://www.gamingsteve.com/blab/index.php?topic=15554.msg656918#msg656918)
Met (http://www.gamingsteve.com/blab/index.php?topic=15554.msg656966#msg656966)
Celdur (http://www.gamingsteve.com/blab/index.php?topic=15554.msg656927#msg656927)
Cobra (http://www.gamingsteve.com/blab/index.php?topic=15554.msg656932#msg656932)
Veraal (http://www.gamingsteve.com/blab/index.php?topic=15554.msg657054#msg657054)
Person21 (http://www.gamingsteve.com/blab/index.php?topic=15554.msg657059#msg657059)
/lurk (http://www.gamingsteve.com/blab/index.php?topic=15554.msg657120#msg657120)
Krakow Sam (http://www.gamingsteve.com/blab/index.php?topic=15554.msg656917#msg656917)
Munchkin5 (Tie) (http://www.gamingsteve.com/blab/index.php?topic=15554.msg657064#msg657064)
Flisch (Tie) (http://www.gamingsteve.com/blab/index.php?topic=15554.msg657042#msg657042)
Martyk (http://www.gamingsteve.com/blab/index.php?topic=15554.msg656947#msg656947)
Ultimatum (http://www.gamingsteve.com/blab/index.php?topic=15554.msg657025#msg657025)
Mr. Wizard (http://www.gamingsteve.com/blab/index.php?topic=15554.msg657164#msg657164)
Gunner (http://www.gamingsteve.com/blab/index.php?topic=15554.msg656972#msg656972)
Haseri (http://www.gamingsteve.com/blab/index.php?topic=15554.msg657103#msg657103)
Patman33 (Tie) (http://www.gamingsteve.com/blab/index.php?topic=15554.msg657003#msg657003)
Razonatair (http://www.gamingsteve.com/blab/index.php?topic=15554.msg656929#msg656929)
Josasa (http://www.gamingsteve.com/blab/index.php?topic=15554.msg656962#msg656962)
Andrew Ryan (http://www.gamingsteve.com/blab/index.php?topic=15554.msg656963#msg656963)
Brandonazz (http://www.gamingsteve.com/blab/index.php?topic=15554.msg656921#msg656921)
DoctorZ (http://www.gamingsteve.com/blab/index.php?topic=15554.msg656934#msg656934)
Gauphastus (http://www.gamingsteve.com/blab/index.php?topic=15554.msg656954#msg656954)
MetallicDragon (http://www.gamingsteve.com/blab/index.php?topic=15554.msg656957#msg656957)
Uroboros (http://www.gamingsteve.com/blab/index.php?topic=15554.msg656964#msg656964)
Hammerman (http://www.gamingsteve.com/blab/index.php?topic=15554.msg656968#msg656968)
Great Distance (http://www.gamingsteve.com/blab/index.php?topic=15554.msg657019#msg657019)
Kratok (http://www.gamingsteve.com/blab/index.php?topic=15554.msg657074#msg657074)
Oviraptor (http://www.gamingsteve.com/blab/index.php?topic=15554.msg657149#msg657149)
Flamester (http://www.gamingsteve.com/blab/index.php?topic=15554.msg657114#msg657114)
LadyM (http://www.gamingsteve.com/blab/index.php?topic=15554.msg657145#msg657145)
Neoadept (http://www.gamingsteve.com/blab/index.php?topic=15554.msg656944#msg656944)
Kenotai (http://www.gamingsteve.com/blab/index.php?topic=15554.msg657135#msg657135)
Alwayswatching (http://www.gamingsteve.com/blab/index.php?topic=15554.msg656942#msg656942)
Blarg (http://www.gamingsteve.com/blab/index.php?topic=15554.msg656950#msg656950)
Grangan (http://www.gamingsteve.com/blab/index.php?topic=15554.msg656924#msg656924)
Orly (http://www.gamingsteve.com/blab/index.php?topic=15554.msg656953#msg656953)
Inkling (http://www.gamingsteve.com/blab/index.php?topic=15554.msg656987#msg656987)
(SE/J)
(SE/E)
(SE/H)
(H/J)
(H/E)
(H/E)
(H/E)
(H/U)
(H/K)
(H/K)
(J/H)
(J/E)
(J/E)
(U/J)
(U/K)
(U/H)
(U/E)
(E/U)
(E/SE)
(E/SE)
(E/H)
(E/H)
(E/H)
(E/H)
(E/H)
(E/H)
(E/H)
(E/H)
(E/H)
(E/J)
(E/J)
(E/N)
(E/N)
(E/?)
(D/H)
(D/J)
(D/J)
(D/J)

Upgraded with links to each person's posted stats!
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Neoadept on January 06, 2009, 07:53:59 pm
My label is still wrong.  It should be (E/N), not (E/H).
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Josasa on January 06, 2009, 07:57:44 pm
Corrected along with links to the basic definitions of each philosophy.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Brandonazz on January 06, 2009, 08:00:02 pm
My label is still wrong.  It should be (E/N), not (E/H).

Not in my copy.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: PatMan33 on January 06, 2009, 08:00:59 pm
Your copy?

Can you control the first post or something? ???
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Krakow Sam on January 07, 2009, 05:01:05 am
Bahaha! How quaint, they lust after control!

*Gorges from hot fudge bucket*
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: shock223 on January 07, 2009, 09:48:26 am
apparently, i follow Existentialism
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Mr. Consideration on January 07, 2009, 12:14:28 pm
You Scored as Nihilism

Your life is marked by strong Nihilism: You feel that nothing in the world, even your life, has much or any meaning. "For out of fear and need each religion is born, creeping into existence on the byways of reason." "There are no facts, only interpretations." “Every belief, every considering something-true, is necessarily false because there is simply no true world” Friedrich Nietzsche.
Nihilism    
   100%
Utilitarianism    
   80%
Existentialism    
   70%
Justice (Fairness)    
   55%
Hedonism    
   35%
Kantianism    
   30%
Apathy    
   20%
Strong Egoism    
   20%
Divine Command    
   0%

Nihilism/Utilitarianism/Existentialism. Sounds about right.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Brandonazz on January 07, 2009, 02:03:24 pm
Emo.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Veraal on January 07, 2009, 02:23:13 pm
Stupid-face.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Orly on January 07, 2009, 02:54:45 pm
No wonder you are a socialist sociopath.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Grazony on January 07, 2009, 03:07:32 pm
You Scored as Divine Command

Your life is directed by Divine Command : Your god and religion give you meaning and direction. “Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations.”--King James Version of the Bible. “Even as a tree has a single trunk but many branches and leaves, there is one religion--human religion--but any number of faiths.” --Mahatma Gandhi


Divine Command   100%
Utilitarianism  85%
Justice (Fairness) 75%
Kantianism  75%
Existentialism 75%
Apathy 45%
Hedonism 25%
Nihilism 25%
Strong Egoism 15%

I am completely different person on the internet.  :P
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 07, 2009, 03:08:28 pm
Woah....

Here I thought you were a Kantian.  :-X
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Glacies on January 07, 2009, 04:39:19 pm
You Scored as Hedonism
Your life is guided by the principles of <b>Hedonism</b>: You believe that pleasure is a great, or the greatest, good; and you try to enjoy life's pleasures as much as you can. <br><br>eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die!” <br><br>More info at <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Arocoun">Racoon's Wiped User Page...</a>



Hedonism 
 85%
Existentialism 
 70%
Justice (Fairness) 
 50%
Apathy 
 30%
Strong Egoism 
 30%
Kantianism 
 30%
Utilitarianism 
 30%
Divine Command 
 20%
Nihilism 
 20%
 
You Scored as a : Hedonism Hedonism 85% Existentialism 70% Justice (Fairness) 50% Apathy 30% Strong Egoism 30% Kantianism 30% Utilitarianism 30% Divine Command 20% Nihilism 20%


Shiny. Although the whole Divine command thing suprises me cause I put in "Strongly disagree" for pretty much all the religious questions.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Null on January 07, 2009, 07:33:33 pm
You Scored as Nihilism
Your life is marked by strong <b>Nihilism</b>: You feel that nothing in the world, even your life, has much or any meaning. <br><br>"For out of fear and need each religion is born, creeping into existence on the byways of reason." <br>"There are no facts, only interpretations." <br>“Every belief, every considering something-true, is necessarily false because there is simply no true world” <br>--Friedrich Nietzsche <br><br>More info at <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Arocoun">Arocoun's Wikipedia User Page...</a>



Nihilism 
 100%
Justice (Fairness) 
 80%
Existentialism 
 80%
Hedonism 
 70%
Kantianism 
 70%
Strong Egoism 
 65%
Apathy 
 55%
Utilitarianism 
 40%
Divine Command 
 5%

I would like to remind everyone that things such as this poll don't matter.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: shadowlord18 on January 07, 2009, 08:30:50 pm
You Scored as Existentialism

Your life is guided by the concept of <b>Existentialism</b>: You choose the meaning and purpose of your life. <br><br>“Man is condemned to be free; because once thrown into the world, he is responsible for everything he does.” <br>“It is up to you to give [life] a meaning.” <br>--Jean-Paul Sartre <br><br>“It is man's natural sickness to believe that he possesses the Truth.” <br>--Blaise Pascal <br><br>More info at <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Arocoun">Arocoun's Wikipedia User Page...</a>

Existentialism    
   95%
Utilitarianism    
   70%
Hedonism    
   70%
Kantianism    
   50%
Justice (Fairness)    
   50%
Divine Command    
   40%
Strong Egoism    
   35%
Apathy    
   30%
Nihilism    
   10%
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Neoteric on January 08, 2009, 06:44:08 am
Meh. :-\



You Scored as Apathy

Your life is marked by quite a bit of <b>apathy</b>: You don’t seem to care much about the direction of your own life, much less society in general. <br><br>I <i>would</i> find a quote or two to better describe the virtues and thoughts behind apathy, but ironically those who would espouse the concept of apathy are too apathetic to write about it. <br><br>“Eh, who cares?” <br>--Myself, just now... <br><br>More info at <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Arocoun">Arocoun's Wikipedia User Page...</a>

Apathy    
   75%
Utilitarianism    
   70%
Nihilism    
   50%
Kantianism    
   50%
Divine Command    
   35%
Justice (Fairness)    
   30%
Strong Egoism    
   25%
Existentialism    
   25%
Hedonism    
   10%
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: PatMan33 on January 08, 2009, 06:52:21 am
Freak...

*ostracizes*
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Huckbuck on January 08, 2009, 09:06:53 am
You Scored as Existentialism
Your life is guided by the concept of <b>Existentialism</b>: You choose the meaning and purpose of your life. <br><br>“Man is condemned to be free; because once thrown into the world, he is responsible for everything he does.” <br>“It is up to you to give [life] a meaning.” <br>--Jean-Paul Sartre <br><br>“It is man's natural sickness to believe that he possesses the Truth.” <br>--Blaise Pascal <br><br>More info at <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Arocoun">Arocoun's Wikipedia User Page...</a>



Existentialism 
 90%
Utilitarianism 
 75%
Hedonism 
 60%
Justice (Fairness) 
 55%
Nihilism 
 40%
Kantianism 
 35%
Strong Egoism 
 25%
Apathy 
 0%
Divine Command 
 0%
 
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Kishmond on January 08, 2009, 12:37:06 pm
Your life is guided by the concept of Fair Justice: Everyone, yourself included, should be rewarded and punished according to the help or harm they cause.

"He who does not punish evil commands it to be done."
--Leonardo da Vinci

“Though force can protect in emergency, only justice, fairness, consideration and cooperation can finally lead men to the dawn of eternal peace.”
--Dwight D. Eisenhower

Justice (Fairness) 
 85%
Hedonism 
 60%
Utilitarianism 
 50%
Existentialism 
 50%
Divine Command 
 45%
Strong Egoism 
 45%
Apathy 
 40%
Kantianism 
 30%
Nihilism 
 5%




Very accurate I think. My goal in life is to be happy, but not at the expense of others.

(What is Kantianism?)
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: DarthZahl on January 08, 2009, 01:04:48 pm
You Scored as Existentialism

Existentialism   100%
Hedonism   80%

Justice (Fairness)   70%
Utilitarianism   50%
Nihilism   40%
Strong Egoism   35%
Kantianism   25%
Apathy   0%
Divine Command   0%

Existentialism 4 ever!


Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Grangan on January 08, 2009, 01:15:16 pm
I wonder if I'd get a higher Nihilism score if I retook it now that I've read Call of Cthullhu.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Draugr on January 08, 2009, 04:17:05 pm
You Scored as Hedonism

Your life is guided by the principles of Hedonism: You believe that pleasure is a great, or the greatest, good; and you try to enjoy life’s pleasures as much as you can. “Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die!”

Hedonism    
   90%
Existentialism    
   85%
Strong Egoism    
   65%
Kantianism    
   60%
Utilitarianism    
   60%
Justice (Fairness)    
   60%
Nihilism    
   55%
Apathy    
   40%
Divine Command    
   0%
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: MetallicDragon on January 08, 2009, 04:45:39 pm
I wonder if I'd get a higher Nihilism score if I retook it now that I've read Call of Cthullhu.

Or you can read Catcher in the Rye for a higher Existentialism score!
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Brandonazz on January 08, 2009, 04:55:26 pm
This is all very interesting. Political views seem to line up nicely with respective philosophies. The Strong Egoists are libertarian, the Divine Commanders are conservative (mostly), the nihilist is anarcho-socialist, and the majority of the Existential Hedonists are liberal.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Grangan on January 08, 2009, 05:07:51 pm
You Scored as Megalomania.
Your life is guided by the concept of <b>Megalomania.</b>: You are above all, and rule the world. <br><br>  <br>“Curses!  Foiled again!” <br>--Snidely Whiplash <br><br> "Then, after I've gotten rid of Batman and Robin for good, I will rule the waves. Me, the Joker, king of the surf and all the surfers. Then, Gotham City! Later, the world!" <br>--The Joker <br><br>More info at <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Arocoun">Arocoun's Wikipedia User Page...</a>

Megalomania
100%
Existentialism 
 0%
Utilitarianism 
 0%
Hedonism 
 0%
Justice (Fairness) 
 0%
Nihilism 
 0%
Kantianism 
 0%
Strong Egoism 
 0%
Apathy 
 0%
Divine Command 
 0%
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Blarg on January 08, 2009, 08:34:14 pm
So far, I am the only Divine Command/Hedonism dude on the forums.

Yay for divine joy! Woo! :^D
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Grangan on January 08, 2009, 08:50:50 pm
No one noticed my latest taking of the test?  :(
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Doomsday on January 08, 2009, 09:04:39 pm
Your life is guided by the concept of <b>Existentialism</b>: You choose the meaning and purpose of your life. <br><br>“Man is condemned to be free; because once thrown into the world, he is responsible for everything he does.” <br>“It is up to you to give [life] a meaning.” <br>--Jean-Paul Sartre <br><br>“It is man's natural sickness to believe that he possesses the Truth.” <br>--Blaise Pascal <br><br>More info at <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Arocoun">Arocoun's Wikipedia User Page...</a>

Existentialism 80%
Utilitarianism 75%
Justice (Fairness) 65%
Hedonism 60%
Kantianism 60%
Nihilism 50%
Strong Egoism 45%
Divine Command 25%
Apathy 15%

-------

Me thinks this quiz is biased towards Existentialism.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Grangan on January 08, 2009, 09:06:28 pm
Neah, I think this community is biased towards existentialism.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Null on January 08, 2009, 10:25:15 pm
The quiz was just made by some random person, hard to make anything like this balanced unless you have experience in such things.  And more questions mean more accuracy, and this was really short.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: MetallicDragon on January 08, 2009, 11:43:50 pm
The result I got matches very accurately with my world view. Anyone get anything they disagree with? Or think they should have gotten something else?
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Krakow Sam on January 09, 2009, 03:02:29 am
I think it also might be something to do with the fact that existentialism is sort of the dominant ethos in western society. The schools are full of posters and teachers saying that "If you try your hardest, you can be anything you want to be". Its also tied pretty strongly to the 'American Dream' so its got that going for it as well.

If Russia had emerged victorious in the cold war everyone would probably be scoring highly on utilitarianism, if we lived in a fascist society, it would likely be a case of most people getting Justice (Fairness) or divine command depending on the nature of the dictatorship.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Brandonazz on January 09, 2009, 11:53:20 am
Actually, those question seem the counterpoint to drifting through life without controlling it. It's not really "be whatever you want to be."
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Grangan on January 09, 2009, 11:56:42 am
The American Dream is Divine Command.  The fact that people aren't getting that shows that it's weakening.
Of course, I got Megalomania, so who am I to speak?
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Brandonazz on January 09, 2009, 11:58:04 am
The American Dream is Divine Command.

No it isn't. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Dream)
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Grangan on January 09, 2009, 12:02:06 pm
As in my diety tells me to follow the American Dream, so I'll follow it as well as I can.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Brandonazz on January 09, 2009, 12:05:35 pm
Then say what you mean, don't contrive meaning for what you say.

You confused the classic perception that piety is next to patriotism, and that patriotism equated with "The American Dream."

Your second sentence excluded what you now claim you meant, since people do not need to be commanded by God to pursue the Dream.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Grangan on January 09, 2009, 12:08:47 pm
Those sentences broke my head.  Please either don't say them or put a warning label on them in the future.   :(
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Brandonazz on January 09, 2009, 12:10:20 pm
Sorry about that.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Kenobro on January 09, 2009, 12:45:42 pm
You Scored as Megalomania.
Your life is guided by the concept of <b>Megalomania.</b>: You are above all, and rule the world. <br><br>  <br>“Curses!  Foiled again!” <br>--Snidely Whiplash <br><br> "Then, after I've gotten rid of Batman and Robin for good, I will rule the waves. Me, the Joker, king of the surf and all the surfers. Then, Gotham City! Later, the world!" <br>--The Joker <br><br>More info at <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Arocoun">Arocoun's Wikipedia User Page...</a>

Megalomania
100%
Existentialism 
 0%
Utilitarianism 
 0%
Hedonism 
 0%
Justice (Fairness) 
 0%
Nihilism 
 0%
Kantianism 
 0%
Strong Egoism 
 0%
Apathy 
 0%
Divine Command 
 0%

Was that a joke or something?  Megalomania isn't on any other person's test.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Brandonazz on January 09, 2009, 01:20:50 pm
Yes, he actually scored Divine Command / Justice (Fairness).
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: eropS on January 09, 2009, 10:30:03 pm
Im an Existentialist
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: SmileyMan on January 11, 2009, 09:51:39 am
Your life is guided by the concept of Existentialism: You choose the meaning and purpose of your life. “Man is condemned to be free; because once thrown into the world, he is responsible for everything he does.” “It is up to you to give [life] a meaning.” --Jean-Paul Sartre “It is man's natural sickness to believe that he possesses the Truth.” --Blaise Pascal

Existentialism     
   95%
Strong Egoism    
   75%
Justice (Fairness)    
   70%
Kantianism    
   65%
Hedonism    
   60%
Utilitarianism    
   35%
Nihilism    
   30%
Apathy    
   10%
Divine Command    
   0%
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Yuu on January 12, 2009, 05:46:16 am
Divine Command     
   95%
Utilitarianism    
   85%
Justice (Fairness)    
   80%
Existentialism    
   70%
Hedonism    
   55%
Kantianism    
   50%
Strong Egoism    
   40%
Nihilism    
   15%
Apathy    
   0%



          Though my point of view isn't necessarily concurrent with their kind of "divine command."
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Bona Fide Supraman on January 13, 2009, 12:27:23 pm
You Scored as Hedonism

Your life is guided by the principles of <b>Hedonism</b>: You believe that pleasure is a great, or the greatest, good; and you try to enjoy life’s pleasures as much as you can. <br><br>“Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die!” <br><br>More info at <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Arocoun">Arocoun's Wikipedia User Page...</a>

Hedonism    
   95%
Justice (Fairness)    
   75%
Strong Egoism    
   65%
Nihilism    
   50%
Kantianism    
   45%
Utilitarianism    
   45%
Existentialism    
   45%
Apathy    
   35%
Divine Command    
   0%


Edit: I think Hedonism has excessive bad press
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Cow on January 14, 2009, 07:03:24 pm
You Scored as Hedonism

Your life is guided by the principles of Hedonism: You believe that pleasure is a great, or the greatest, good; and you try to enjoy life’s pleasures as much as you can. “Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die!”

Hedonism     
   70%
Nihilism    
   60%
Existentialism    
   60%
Justice (Fairness)    
   60%
Strong Egoism    
   55%
Kantianism    
   50%
Apathy    
   45%
Utilitarianism    
   35%
Divine Command    
   5%

Damn, Nihilism? I don't remember picking that.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: DarkDragon on January 14, 2009, 10:47:26 pm
Hedonism      
   100%
Existentialism      
   90%
Utilitarianism      
   70%
Justice (Fairness)      
   60%
Strong Egoism      
   60%
Kantianism      
   50%
Apathy      
   45%
Nihilism      
   25%
Divine Command      
   5%

I'm some kind of egoist avenger xD
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Cow on January 15, 2009, 02:38:36 pm
Practically everyone got 5% Divine Command. What the hell?

P.S. Hedonism high five!
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Brandonazz on January 16, 2009, 04:37:05 pm
I found a useful summary of Kantiansm (http://profron.net/fun/KantsEthics.html).
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Grangan on January 16, 2009, 04:39:24 pm
I found a useful summary of Kantiansm (http://profron.net/fun/KantsEthics.html).
I think Christians and atheists alike can embrace that.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: MetallicDragon on January 16, 2009, 09:49:40 pm
I found a useful summary of Kantiansm (http://profron.net/fun/KantsEthics.html).

I like that!
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 16, 2009, 10:55:01 pm
I found a useful summary of Kantiansm (http://profron.net/fun/KantsEthics.html).

I don't like that!
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Axelgear on January 18, 2009, 07:29:25 pm
95% Hedonism
80% Divine Command/Existentialism
65% Utilitarianism, Kantianism, and Justice
40% Strong Egoism
25% Nihilism
10% Apathy

Seems an apt descriptor of me. I don't believe in hedonism in the sense that everyone should only live for pleasure but I do believe that we should extract as much delight as we can from each and every moment.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Flisch on April 30, 2011, 06:08:43 pm
So I decided to take the test again and see how my philosophy has changed over time.

Had a tiebreaker.

You Scored as Justice (Fairness)

Your life is guided by the concept of Fair Justice: Everyone, yourself included, should be rewarded and punished according to the help or harm they cause.
"He who does not punish evil commands it to be done." --Leonardo da Vinci
Though force can protect in emergency, only justice, fairness, consideration and cooperation can finally lead men to the dawn of eternal peace.” --Dwight D. Eisenhower

70% Hedonism       
70% Justice (Fairness)
65% Apathy
60% Kantianism
50% Nihilism
50% Utilitarianism
45% Strong Egoism
35% Existentialism
0%  Divine Command

Second try: Tie between Justice and Kantianism -> Justice won.

75% Justice (Fairness) +5%
75% Kantianism +15%
70% Hedonism +0%
60% Existentialism +25%
55% Apathy -10%
55% Nihilism +5%
50% Utilitarianism +0%
20% Strong Egoism -25%
0% Divine Command +0%

The most interesting changes is the rise in existentialism and decline of egoism. I guess having to think of my immediate future now that I will have to apply for a real job in about a year and a half, makes me think more about making my own path, which also seems to reduce my Apathy a bit.

I can't really explain the egoism part, but if I had to guess, it's mainly because we're working in teams all the time, so it makes you more aware that others depend on you and you on them, if you like it or not.

Also, I want to point out that I am one of the people with the fewest egoism points. I score that off as a personal success.



If Russia had emerged victorious in the cold war everyone would probably be scoring highly on utilitarianism, if we lived in a fascist society, it would likely be a case of most people getting Justice (Fairness) or divine command depending on the nature of the dictatorship.
@_@
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Clarke on April 30, 2011, 06:14:11 pm
Quote
Your life is guided by the concept of Existentialism: You choose the meaning and purpose of your life. “Man is condemned to be free; because once thrown into the world, he is responsible for everything he does.” “It is up to you to give [life] a meaning.” --Jean-Paul Sartre “It is man's natural sickness to believe that he possesses the Truth.” --Blaise Pascal

Existentialism 100%
Utilitarianism 85%
Justice (Fairness) 75%
Kantianism 65%
Hedonism 60%
Nihilism 25%
Strong Egoism 20%
Apathy 15%
Divine Command 0%
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Flisch on April 30, 2011, 06:21:28 pm
Strong Egoism 20%
HIGHFIVE!
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Clarke on April 30, 2011, 06:22:54 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/ZUMmj.jpg)
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: emmet on April 30, 2011, 06:24:10 pm
Back in 2009, the only information I gave was that I scored highest in existentialism. I did it again.

You Scored as Existentialism
Your life is guided by the concept of Existentialism: You choose the meaning and purpose of your life.
“Man is condemned to be free; because once thrown into the world, he is responsible for everything he does.”
“It is up to you to give life a meaning.”
  --Jean-Paul Sartre
“It is man's natural sickness to believe that he possesses the Truth.”   --Blaise Pascal


Existentialism   
90%
Utilitarianism   
70%
Hedonism   
70%
Kantianism   
55%
Justice (Fairness)   
55%
Strong Egoism   
30%
Nihilism   
30%
Apathy   
25%
Divine Command   
0%
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Mr. Wizard on April 30, 2011, 06:38:46 pm
I scored Utilitarianism at 80% and Justice at 75%.

You have probably read these descriptions a half dozen times before getting to this post. :P

Doing it again is a good idea. I wish I had copied all of my scores.

Here is Mr. Wizard 2011 version:

You Scored as Utilitarianism

Your life is guided by the principles of Utilitarianism: You seek the greatest good for the greatest number.

Utilitarianism    
   70%
Kantianism    
   65%
Existentialism    
   60%
Hedonism    
   60%
Justice (Fairness)    
   55%
Strong Egoism    
   35%
Apathy    
   25%
Nihilism    
   20%
Divine Command    
   0%


Yeah, much less uptight now than I used to be. Hedonism has beaten Justice, Hurrah! :D
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Doctor Z on April 30, 2011, 07:54:57 pm
You Scored as Hedonism

Your life is guided by the principles of Hedonism: You believe that pleasure is a great, or the greatest, good; and you try to enjoy life’s pleasures as much as you can. “Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die!”

Hedonism    
   95%
Utilitarianism    
   80%
Existentialism    
   75%
Justice (Fairness)    
   70%
Kantianism    
   45%
Strong Egoism    
   25%
Nihilism    
   20%
Apathy    
   0%
Divine Command    
   0%
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Rysworld on April 30, 2011, 08:10:14 pm
You Scored as Apathy
Your life is marked by quite a bit of apathy: You don’t seem to care much about the direction of your own life, much less society in general. I would find a quote or two to better describe the virtues and thoughts behind apathy, but ironically those who would espouse the concept of apathy are too apathetic to write about it. “Eh, who cares?” --Myself, just now... More info at ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Arocoun ) Arocoun's Wikipedia User Page...

Existentialism   60%
Apathy           60%
Justice (Fairness)   55%
Utilitarianism   50%
Nihilism           45%
Strong Egoism   40%
Kantianism           40%
Divine Command   30%
Hedonism       25%

I think I'll take it again, just to see how solid I am.

*EDIT* Well my top three are the same ones, it seems the others are fairly malleable.

You Scored as Existentialism
Your life is guided by the concept of Existentialism: You choose the meaning and purpose of your life. “Man is condemned to be free; because once thrown into the world, he is responsible for everything he does.” “It is up to you to give [life] a meaning.” --Jean-Paul Sartre “It is man's natural sickness to believe that he possesses the Truth.” --Blaise Pascal More info at ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Arocoun ) Arocoun's Wikipedia User Page...


Justice (Fairness)   65%
Existentialism   65%
Apathy           55%
Kantianism           50%
Strong Egoism   40%
Nihilism           40%
Utilitarianism   40%
Hedonism           30%
Divine Command   5%
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Pixxel on April 30, 2011, 08:11:33 pm
You Scored as Hedonism

Your life is guided by the principles of Hedonism You believe that pleasure is a great, or the greatest, good; and you try to enjoy life’s pleasures as much as you can. “Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die!"

Hedonism          100%
Justice (Fairness)      85%
Existentialism      75%
Apathy          65%
Strong Egoism       65%
Kantianism          65%
Utilitarianism       55%
Nihilism          30%
Divine Command    0%

:D

Seems like the majority is hedonists
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Cyst on April 30, 2011, 08:25:34 pm
You Scored as Hedonism

Your life is guided by the principles of Hedonism: You believe that pleasure is a great, or the greatest, good; and you try to enjoy life’s pleasures as much as you can.

“Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die!”

Hedonism    
   100%
Strong Egoism    
   95%
Nihilism    
   80%
Apathy    
   80%
Kantianism    
   75%
Justice (Fairness)    
   70%
Existentialism    
   65%
Utilitarianism    
   30%
Divine Command    
   0%
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Kenotai on April 30, 2011, 08:28:36 pm
Utilitarianism   100%
Existentialism   95%
Kantianism   80%
Nihilism   60%
Hedonism   60%
Justice (Fairness)   55%
Apathy   30%
Strong Egoism   25%
Divine Command   0%

I changed a bit
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Great Distance on May 01, 2011, 12:00:55 am
You Scored as Existentialism

85%  Existentialism 
70% Hedonism 
70% Strong Egoism 
65% Nihilism 
60%  Apathy 
55%  Kantianism 
50%  Justice (Fairness) 
50%  Utilitarianism 
15% Divine Command 

Oh, I have no problem with Nihilism. To me it leads straight to Existentialism. Nothing has a meaning, so we must make up our own. I've also figured that the best meaning you can come up with so far is just enjoying yourself.

You Scored as Strong Egoism

90% Strong Egoism +20%
70% Existentialism -15%
60% Justice (Fairness) +10%
60% Kantianism +5%
55% Hedonism -15%
50% Apathy -10%
45% Nihilism -20%
40% Utilitarianism -10%
10% Divine Command -5%

I think I should work to benefit myself, because no one else is going to. Most people in my life only try to affect my ability to choose for myself, and as a result I think my ability to make my own decisions has lessened. To compensate, I focus more on myself and pay less attention to other people. I don't feel like they're trying to benefit me, so I don't try to benefit them.

I also think I should focus more on achieving my goals and less on indulging in life's pleasures. If other people are trying to take my control from me, it's also my love for having fun and lazing off that's threatening to prevent me from achieving what I want in life. But however other people try to influence me, I believe that in the end, it's still me who makes all my decisions, so I deserve what I get, good or bad. I'm equally responsible for my failures and successes.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Luminar on May 01, 2011, 03:45:44 am
You Scored as Utilitarianism

Your life is guided by the principles of Utilitarianism: You seek the greatest good for the greatest number.

“The said truth is that it is the greatest happiness of the greatest number that is the measure of right and wrong.”
--Jeremy Bentham

“Whenever the general disposition of the people is such, that each individual regards those only of his interests which are selfish, and does not dwell on, or concern himself for, his share of the general interest, in such a state of things, good government is impossible.”
--John Stuart Mill

90% Utilitarianism
80% Existentialism
55% Justice (Fairness)
45% Nihilism
40% Hedonism
15% Kantianism
10% Apathy
0% Strong Egoism
0% Divine Command
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Krakow Sam on May 01, 2011, 03:56:23 am
Woo! Bentham.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Clarke on May 01, 2011, 06:09:26 am
You Scored as Utilitarianism
Communist
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Plank of Wood on May 01, 2011, 06:16:54 am
You Scored as Hedonism
Your life is guided by the principles of Hedonism: You believe that pleasure is a great, or the greatest, good; and you try to enjoy life’s pleasures as much as you can.

“Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die!”

Hedonism   
90%
Existentialism   
80%
Utilitarianism   
65%
Kantianism   
50%
Justice (Fairness)   
50%
Strong Egoism   
45%
Nihilism   
30%
Apathy   
25%
Divine Command   
0%



Basically, I'm a troll.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Josasa on May 01, 2011, 10:49:43 am
Another existentialist.

Existentialism   
100%
Strong Egoism   
80%
Hedonism   
70%
Kantianism   
65%
Justice    
55%
Nihilism   
50%
Utilitarianism   
45%
Apathy   
10%
Divine Command

Don't know how i got such a high Kantianism score though, or a 100% for existentialism either.
Existentialism    
100% 0%
Hedonism    
80% +10%
Strong Egoism    
65% -15%
Kantianism    
65% 0%
Utilitarianism    
60% +15%
Justice (Fairness)    
55% 0%
Nihilism    
40% -10%
Apathy    
20% +10%
Divine Command    
0% ?%

Goodbye ego, hello sexy ladies!
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Inkling on May 01, 2011, 11:20:45 am
Looks like all my fellow Divine Commanders have left the site.  Maybe I should make a robe out of a burlap sack and start yelling at all of you.  Also, Divine Commanders would be a good name for a Dawn of War unit or a band of some sort.

Divine Command 
 90%  +10%
Justice (Fairness) 
 65% +5%
Utilitarianism 
 55%  -5%
Kantianism 
 40% +5%
Hedonism
40%  0%
Strong Egoism
25% -5%
Apathy
20% -10%
Existentialism
20% -25%
Nihilism 
 0% -5%

So the only thing that looks like a significant change is Existentialism going way down.  I think the fact that last time I took the test after midnight and this time I took it at two in the afternoon has more impact on the results than two years passing.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Brandonazz on May 01, 2011, 11:34:47 am
I don't think mine would change all that much.

Maybe a little more egoism or apathy.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Kishmond on May 01, 2011, 11:56:23 am
Your life is guided by the concept of Fair Justice: Everyone, yourself included, should be rewarded and punished according to the help or harm they cause.

"He who does not punish evil commands it to be done."
--Leonardo da Vinci

“Though force can protect in emergency, only justice, fairness, consideration and cooperation can finally lead men to the dawn of eternal peace.”
--Dwight D. Eisenhower

Justice (Fairness)  
 85%
Hedonism  
 60%
Utilitarianism  
 50%
Existentialism  
 50%
Divine Command  
 45%
Strong Egoism  
 45%
Apathy  
 40%
Kantianism  
 30%
Nihilism  
 5%




Very accurate I think. My goal in life is to be happy, but not at the expense of others.

(What is Kantianism?)

Divine Command       95%  +50%
Kantianism              75%  +45%
Utilitarianism            65%  +15%
Justice (Fairness)    60%  -25%
Existentialism       45%  -5%
Hedonism               35%  No Change
Strong Egoism       35%  -10%
Apathy               30%  -10%
Nihilism               5%  No Change

Nothing surprising there. I think what has mostly changed is my willingness to admit that if the world would follow God's laws then it would be a better place. I am no longer ashamed to to say that.

And I know what Kantianism is now.

Have fun in Hell, guys.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Krakow Sam on May 01, 2011, 12:03:11 pm
See you there Kish.  ;)
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Great Distance on May 01, 2011, 12:07:56 pm

Nothing surprising there. I think what has mostly changed is my willingness to admit that if the world would follow God's laws then it would be a better place.

Well, since Flisch* seems to think that I'm religious because I've got 10% on Divine Command, then HALLELUJAH PRAISE THE LORD

*in MSN
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: emmet on May 01, 2011, 12:36:30 pm
Nothing surprising there. I think what has mostly changed is my willingness to admit that if the world would follow God's laws then it would be a better place. I am no longer ashamed to to say that.

No wearing two different fabrics in the same shirt. No letting two different kinds of cattle graze together, or have the same crops in the same field. If you curse your mother or father, you must die. If you cheat on your spouse, both you and your lover must die. Sleep with a woman on her period, guess what? Death! You aren't allowed into heaven if you're blind, lame, have a flat nose, broken hands or feet, a dwarf, castrated, humpbacked... Or have scurvy. If any of your family members even suggest switching religion, kill them. In fact, just go ahead and kill anyone of a different religion. Shaving is a no-no. If a wife attempts to help her husband out of a fight, cut her hand off.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Great Distance on May 01, 2011, 12:49:41 pm
Is Kishmond part of some weird cult or did I miss something?
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: emmet on May 01, 2011, 12:54:03 pm
I'm pretty much assuming he's Christian. If not, sorry about assuming but your religion is still silly.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Haseri on May 01, 2011, 01:00:41 pm
You Scored as Utilitarianism

Your life is guided by the principles of Utilitarianism: You seek the greatest good for the greatest number.

“The said truth is that it is the greatest happiness of the greatest number that is the measure of right and wrong.”
--Jeremy Bentham

“Whenever the general disposition of the people is such, that each individual regards those only of his interests which are selfish, and does not dwell on, or concern himself for, his share of the general interest, in such a state of things, good government is impossible.” <br>--John Stuart Mill

Utilitarianism 
 80%
Hedonism 
 75%
Existentialism 
 70%
Justice (Fairness) 
 65%
Kantianism 
 55%
Apathy 
 50%
Strong Egoism 
 45%
Nihilism 
 30%
Divine Command 
 0%

Yeah that's me. Trying to make the most people happy.

So, 2 and a quater years have not changed me much.

Utilitarianism    75% -10%
Hedonism    70% -5%
Existentialism    65% +5%
Kantianism    60% +5%
Justice (Fairness)    55% -10%
Nihilism    50% +20%
Apathy    50% 0%
Strong Egoism    35% -10%
Divine Command    0% 0%

Is Kishmond part of some weird cult or did I miss something?

No, that's just the laws in the Old Testament. He missed out that if anybody in a town preaches a different religion, one should burn that town to the ground.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Plank of Wood on May 01, 2011, 01:02:26 pm
Hedonists vs Divine Commanderists


FIGHT
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Clarke on May 01, 2011, 01:03:46 pm
Is Kishmond part of some weird cult or did I miss something?
It's called Mormonism

/trollface
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: sgore on May 01, 2011, 01:28:44 pm
Lots of people's religions say silly things.
Lots of people have different ways of interpreting those things, or the purpose of those things being in there, or about a million other variables pertaining to the history, intent, editing, authorship and content of religious texts...
Just saying, let's not assume what anyone believes about anything until they say so themselves as clearly as they possibly can.
In any case, respect and tolerance and such.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: emmet on May 01, 2011, 01:35:41 pm
You're just saying that because you're a Satanist.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Kishmond on May 01, 2011, 02:10:26 pm
I'm pretty much assuming he's Christian. If not, sorry about assuming but your religion is still silly.

You're talking about Jewish traditions. And even then Jews today don't do most of that.

Next time you try to berate somebody at least get your facts straight.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: emmet on May 01, 2011, 02:13:25 pm
Point is, they're still technically God's laws... Well, a God's law. The world is a better place because people don't follow those laws.

But whatever. Your aforementioned belief in religious laws is still a less flawed belief than religion in the first place. ;D
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Rysworld on May 01, 2011, 02:48:35 pm
Religious rules, at least most of the modern ones (Not counting extremists) help in forming a cohesive society.

Religion is fine. It just comes with the unfortunate stigma of having to defend it, usually. Plus there are the lunatics that take it too far, and make their religious group look bad. (See aforementioned extremists)
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Brandonazz on May 01, 2011, 02:50:44 pm
>stigmata

Laughinglink.jpg
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Kishmond on May 01, 2011, 02:53:15 pm
There's always someone who just has to be difficult.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Doctor Z on May 01, 2011, 02:56:43 pm
I just don't like religion because it feels like people burrowing their heads in the sand...

I try not to say such on here though, but the topic was brought up.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Plank of Wood on May 01, 2011, 02:58:26 pm
No, I'm pretty sure Tesla brought it up. ::)
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: emmet on May 01, 2011, 03:13:13 pm
That's just how I roll.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Brandonazz on May 01, 2011, 03:14:53 pm
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/21/MDMA_%28simple%29.svg) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDMA)

Most people roll like that.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Rysworld on May 01, 2011, 03:37:57 pm
I'm sure if I knew anything about Chemistry that would be funny.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Clarke on May 01, 2011, 03:50:22 pm
Drag it into a new tab.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: emmet on May 01, 2011, 03:54:41 pm
Drag it into a new tab.

Or just click it. :3
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Rysworld on May 01, 2011, 04:02:18 pm
oh its a link hurr durr

I still don't get it. I know what Ecstasy is, I just don't see what the joke is.

Maybe I'm just horribly unexperienced with drugs and there's some pun that I'm missing, but it seems like the joke is that most people take Ecstasy.

bad joke d- would not laugh again
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Brandonazz on May 01, 2011, 04:03:43 pm
Being high on MDMA is called rolling.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Rysworld on May 01, 2011, 04:37:39 pm
Well okay then.

(http://sadpanda.us/images/358824-N4PZTAD.jpg)
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Inkling on May 01, 2011, 10:03:29 pm
Sure, let's keep this derail of the thread rolling.

Nothing surprising there. I think what has mostly changed is my willingness to admit that if the world would follow God's laws then it would be a better place. I am no longer ashamed to to say that.

No wearing two different fabrics in the same shirt. No letting two different kinds of cattle graze together, or have the same crops in the same field. If you curse your mother or father, you must die. If you cheat on your spouse, both you and your lover must die. Sleep with a woman on her period, guess what? Death! You aren't allowed into heaven if you're blind, lame, have a flat nose, broken hands or feet, a dwarf, castrated, humpbacked... Or have scurvy. If any of your family members even suggest switching religion, kill them. In fact, just go ahead and kill anyone of a different religion. Shaving is a no-no. If a wife attempts to help her husband out of a fight, cut her hand off.

I recognize most of those, but citation is needed for some.  Since you were trying to bait a Christian, here I am.  It's clear throughout the New Testament that the old covenant with all the rules about food preparation, mixing fabrics, cleansing from mold, etc, has been replaced.  There's probably a better example, but I'm tired and the first one that comes to mind is Acts 10 where Peter is told he can eat whatever animal he wants.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Krakow Sam on May 02, 2011, 04:28:52 am
Look, its the very fact that there is even something to argue about regarding religion which causes the problem.

I don't think most unreligious people on the forum are against religion in general. Its just that one thing which is sort of inherant in religion is the idea that the one you follow is the correct one, at the exclusion of all others.

Kishmond makes a crack about everyone going to hell, the implicit point being that HIS particular flavour of religion is the correct one and everyone else is a bad person deserving of punishment. When the fact is that there are millions of religions with explanations for what happens after death and there is noooooooo way of knowing which is true (barring a reproducible scientifically verified discovery of an afterlife.)

And no, your particular holy book or dianetics leaflet is NOT evidence.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: emmet on May 02, 2011, 04:55:41 am
Inkling, I can cite whichever of those you like.

Anyway, if God's so (infinitely) smart, why didn't he make a book that's impossible to misunderstand and straight to the point? And you're not allowed respond with something like "the bible is the word of god filtered through man," because God should have been smart enough to ensure man didn't screw it up.

Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: munchkin5 on May 02, 2011, 05:28:12 am
A good resource for this kind of thing is the skeptics annotated bible here (http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/).

You don't have to agree with everything there, but I think it would be hard to disagree with everything.

If you want the christian responce you can get it for the low, low price of $29.99 here (http://skepticsannotatedbible.org/order.htm).

You can draw your own conclusions from the fact that people have decided to charge for that.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Kishmond on May 02, 2011, 08:14:40 am
Yeah... that is not in any way shape or form a good resource.

And hey, it was a joke. Liven up. Mormons don't even believe in Hell.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: munchkin5 on May 02, 2011, 08:28:59 am
Yeah... that is not in any way shape or form a good resource.

Well you would say that  ::), but you've got at least like the good stuff section (http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/good/long.html)
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Ultimatum on May 02, 2011, 08:32:16 am
Its long then I thought it would be.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Inkling on May 02, 2011, 09:49:52 am
Inkling, I can cite whichever of those you like.

Anyway, if God's so (infinitely) smart, why didn't he make a book that's impossible to misunderstand and straight to the point? And you're not allowed respond with something like "the bible is the word of god filtered through man," because God should have been smart enough to ensure man didn't screw it up.

It's mainly the one about people who are lame, blind, hunchbacked, etc that I don't recognize.

As for your question,  I think the basic message is simple.  One probably unsatisfactory answer would be that some people don't want to believe it.  But I guess what you're getting at is more along the lines of "if Christianity (or insert faith here) is true, why doesn't everyone follow it?"  Which would probably lead to questions about free will or why there is evil in the world.  And I don't have a satisfactory answer for you on those, definitely not off the top of my head.  Big questions like those are tough.  I wish being a Christian meant you knew all the answers, but it doesn't work that way.  I don't know all the answers, just like someone studying biology couldn't answer every question a professor threw at him off the top of their head.

It might be a good idea to move this to the religion thread or pm's.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Didero on May 02, 2011, 09:51:44 am
the religion thread
Ooh, fun, that thing's been buried for too long.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: munchkin5 on May 02, 2011, 09:53:09 am
Also i'd like to be able to read what goes on, so yeah, the religon thread.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Luminar on May 03, 2011, 09:21:57 pm
More evidence that Richard Dawkins is doing more harm than good. It's certainly something now that anti-religious arguments irregardless of actual content always come across as mind-numbingly smug and self-superior to the point where if it keeps up atheism is going to turn into a gigantic joke.
True you get the "Well you're going to hell because X and because Y" types among others, but they never seem anywhere near as ruinously smug as Dawkins-brand atheism.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Brandonazz on May 03, 2011, 09:38:44 pm
irregardless

NOPE.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Luminar on May 04, 2011, 03:26:50 am
Not sure what you mean. Would have picked out "always" myself, kind of fell into the generalisation trap there.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: munchkin5 on May 04, 2011, 04:50:46 am
Dawkins-brand atheism.

Oh geez, its this guy.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: emmet on May 04, 2011, 06:03:01 am
It's unfair to call it Dawkins' brand of atheism.

It's mine too. >_>
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Didero on May 04, 2011, 07:10:58 am
Hedonism    
   70%
Existentialism    
   70%
Kantianism    
   60%
Utilitarianism    
   55%
Strong Egoism    
   55%
Justice (Fairness)    
   50%
Nihilism    
   45%
Apathy    
   40%
Divine Command    
   0%


A tie, that's interesting.
I didn't post my results the previous time this thread was around, so I can't compare results. They probably did change though.

Also, the grammar error in the topic title is getting a bit annoying.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Great Distance on May 04, 2011, 10:19:03 am
What's, what's, what's philosophy?

Whose philosophy?

What's philosophy.

Who's philosophy?

What is philosophy.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Luminar on May 04, 2011, 11:27:00 am
Plato don't hurt me, don't hurt me, no more.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Brandonazz on May 04, 2011, 12:25:49 pm
Guys.

This (http://www.philosophersnet.com/games/identity.php) is super duper cool.

If you're anything like me, these scenarios have already crossed your mind too.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Krakow Sam on May 04, 2011, 12:44:35 pm
Oh, that is pretty whizz-neato.

What result did you get brandon? (Put it in spoiler tags)
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Brandonazz on May 04, 2011, 12:49:20 pm
Psychological Reductionism

Your choices are consistent with the theory known as psychological reductionism. On this view, all that is required for the continued existence of the self is psychological continuity. Your three choices show that this is what you see as central to your sense of self, not any attachment to a particular substance, be it your body, brain or soul.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Krakow Sam on May 04, 2011, 12:52:26 pm
Thats what I got too.

According to the writeup I apparently should have taken the teleporter instead of the spaceship at the start, but that seems to be ignoring the idea that continuity is important. With the teleporter there is a very high chance that the 'me' which goes in one end instantly dies, that is to say, that I personally am not the fortunate transporter clone which wakes up brand new with a lifetime of memories.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Brandonazz on May 04, 2011, 12:55:04 pm
Yeah, that was my response to that little blurb too.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Inkling on May 04, 2011, 01:09:46 pm
"Your choices are consistent with the view that the continuity of the soul is essential for personal survival. Your first two choices showed a desire to keep your physical body alive. Yet your last choice showed a willingness to jettison this physical body in order to save your soul. So presumably, you only valued the continued existence of your body because you thought it housed the soul."


The last question was kind of weird, the soul and reincarnation are two separate issues.  And their idea of a soul is weird, too.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Clarke on May 04, 2011, 01:56:35 pm
You chose:
Round 1: Take me to the teletransporter!
Round 2: I'll take the silicon!
Round 3: Freeze me!

Your choices are consistent with the theory known as psychological reductionism. On this view, all that is required for the continued existence of the self is psychological continuity. Your three choices show that this is what you see as central to your sense of self, not any attachment to a particular substance, be it your body, brain or soul.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: munchkin5 on May 04, 2011, 01:59:20 pm

You chose:
Round 1: It's the spaceship for me!
Round 2: Let the virus do its worst!
Round 3: Freeze me!

There are basically three kinds of things which could be required for the continued existence of your self. One is bodily continuity, which actually may require only parts of the body to stay in existence (e.g., the brain). Another is psychological continuity, which requires, for the continued existence of the self, the continuance of your consciousness, by which is meant your thoughts, ideas, memories, plans, beliefs and so on. And the third possibility is the continued existence of some kind of immaterial part of you, which might be called the soul. It may, of course, be the case that a combination of one or more types of these continuity is required for you to survive.
   Your choices are consistent with the view that bodily continuity is necessary for personal survival. You risk death on the spaceship, allow your mind to be messed around with by the virus and allow your soul to be destroyed so that your body (or at least your brain in a body) can have a chance of staying in existence. And it does!
   But is this survival of you? Is it enough for your body to continue to exist if your personality, wishes, beliefs, desires and memories do not? Remember, opting to suffer the consequences of the virus means that now you have no memories of the person you were when you stepped into the teletransporter. So is the self really no more than a particular animal body? Many think it is, but many others think that without some kind of psychological continuity, the self cannot survive as a body alone.



Not the best of experiments, i was actually going more for the psycological continuity.

I also figured the virus would leave me more of myself than a synthetic representation of my former mind.

Also related to this i've got a question, would rebooting a mind, like you would a computer, effectively have the same effect as the teletransporter?

Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Rysworld on May 04, 2011, 03:23:51 pm
Round 1: Take me to the teletransporter!
Round 2: I'll take the silicon!
Round 3: Freeze me!

Your choices are consistent with the theory known as psychological reductionism. On this view, all that is required for the continued existence of the self is psychological continuity.
Same as most.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Cyst on May 04, 2011, 03:53:27 pm
You chose:
Round 1: It's the spaceship for me!
Round 2: Let the virus do its worst!
Round 3: Freeze me!

There are basically three kinds of things which could be required for the continued existence of your self. One is bodily continuity, which actually may require only parts of the body to stay in existence (e.g., the brain). Another is psychological continuity, which requires, for the continued existence of the self, the continuance of your consciousness, by which is meant your thoughts, ideas, memories, plans, beliefs and so on. And the third possibility is the continued existence of some kind of immaterial part of you, which might be called the soul. It may, of course, be the case that a combination of one or more types of these continuity is required for you to survive.

Your choices are consistent with the view that bodily continuity is necessary for personal survival. You risk death on the spaceship, allow your mind to be messed around with by the virus and allow your soul to be destroyed so that your body (or at least your brain in a body) can have a chance of staying in existence. And it does!

But is this survival of you? Is it enough for your body to continue to exist if your personality, wishes, beliefs, desires and memories do not? Remember, opting to suffer the consequences of the virus means that now you have no memories of the person you were when you stepped into the teletransporter. So is the self really no more than a particular animal body? Many think it is, but many others think that without some kind of psychological continuity, the self cannot survive as a body alone.


... this makes no sense to me at all.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: /lurk on May 04, 2011, 06:22:58 pm
Thats what I got too.

According to the writeup I apparently should have taken the teleporter instead of the spaceship at the start, but that seems to be ignoring the idea that continuity is important. With the teleporter there is a very high chance that the 'me' which goes in one end instantly dies, that is to say, that I personally am not the fortunate transporter clone which wakes up brand new with a lifetime of memories.

Same thing here.

Haven't we talked about teleporter continuity here before? I remember the subject coming up once.

Honestly, I'm surprised how many people went for it. As I recall there was only one guy who figured that an exact copy had a magical hivemind with the original last time, but now there's a few people who think quantum maaaaagic will keep them alive after they throw themselves into the disintegrator.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Doctor Z on May 04, 2011, 06:28:35 pm
One thing I've always wondered.

If you straight up replace your brain with another copy, made of different materials (silicon instead of carbon, machine instead of organic), even if it had the exact same data, it obviously wouldn't be you.

But if, instead of a one-second you're organic, next you're machine, what if it was a gradual process? What if one neural connection at a time was changed? Would it be you in the end?

To up the ante, what if you were awake in the process? If there is some sort of change, if at one second in the process you are you, and the next you're a copy, would you feel that change? Or would being awake negate that change?
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: emmet on May 04, 2011, 06:42:18 pm
That's exactly how I think I would do it too, DZ.

There are short animations on YouTube of nanobots which engulf nerve cells, reproduce their current state, take over the connections with other cells, and then kill the biological cell.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: /lurk on May 04, 2011, 06:42:19 pm
Yeah, that's psychological continuity. If you replace parts gradually then you've just changed the consciousness you had to begin with, not killed it and made a new one. Brain cells replace themselves naturally anyway, just slowly.

Presumably they'd replicate a subsection of your brain, then remove it and implant the new one, so when you wake up from the operation the rest of your brain wouldn't be able to tell the difference. Things only get tricky when they start replacing parts of your brain that you really can't survive without.

Unless you do it one neuron at a time like Alwayswatching mentioned, I guess.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Doctor Z on May 04, 2011, 06:46:54 pm
I'd want to do it gradually too. In fact, unless I'm going to die within 5 days, I'd want to do it as gradually as possible, to eliminate the possibility as best as we can of discontinuity. And even if it'd be painful, I'd want to be awake, to be SURE in my mind.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Rysworld on May 04, 2011, 06:54:05 pm
Well obviously you wouldn't notice, and if your appearances don't change then no=one else would notice either. This makes "you" functionally indistinguishable from the original. Why wouldn't it be you? You would have the same memories, the same fears, everything that matters for a human being to remain himself. (Unless, of course, you subscribe to the concept of a soul or somesuch, but I do not.) You would even likely have the same reactions to external stimuli.

I personally think it would still be "you", as much as you right now is "you".

Think of it like this. There are two robots. They respond to stimuli the same way, they share memories wireless communication. You turn both off, and replace one of the robots with another. Anyone who interacts with the robot(s) isn't going to notice the difference. The robots aren't going to notice the difference. So why aren't they the same robot?  Why are they?

And what makes the two processes different? Is it the interaction between the "normal" and the artificial cells? If not, then there is no difference that I can see. Unless you had one in mind that I overlooked?
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Doctor Z on May 04, 2011, 07:13:21 pm
I never said it was rational, as much as I like to be.

But if I DIDN'T take the precautions, if I just replaced my mind whole with another, I'd always have the niggling doubt that I am who I think I am.

Or to make it easier to see...

He would always have a niggling doubt that he is me.

That sounds less eloquent than I would like, but it gets the idea across (hopefully), no matter how quick and dirty.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Rysworld on May 04, 2011, 08:08:05 pm
I see what you mean- I don't think it's possible to not have uncertainty (My mind is failing to come up with a better and more existent word) when youy mind is about to be replaced with a machine.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Cyst on May 04, 2011, 10:27:57 pm
*uncertainty

Rys you were so close I facepalmed.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Great Distance on May 04, 2011, 11:30:26 pm
Thats what I got too.

According to the writeup I apparently should have taken the teleporter instead of the spaceship at the start, but that seems to be ignoring the idea that continuity is important. With the teleporter there is a very high chance that the 'me' which goes in one end instantly dies, that is to say, that I personally am not the fortunate transporter clone which wakes up brand new with a lifetime of memories.

Same thing here.

Haven't we talked about teleporter continuity here before? I remember the subject coming up once.

Honestly, I'm surprised how many people went for it. As I recall there was only one guy who figured that an exact copy had a magical hivemind with the original last time, but now there's a few people who think quantum maaaaagic will keep them alive after they throw themselves into the disintegrator.


I got this result as well.

Although the new me would experience all the things I would have otherwise experienced in my life, and for the whole world it wouldn't make a difference if it's me or the copy out there, I don't think that's enough for me. It's still not me who gets to experience those things. I mean, sure, I could take the teletransporter if I reasoned it some other way, but the test asked me to choose the option that would best ensure my survival. And the way I understand it, taking the teletransporter is a 100% chance for me to die. Sure, for others it will seem that I'm still alive, and for the new version of me as well, but what about me? I'll be dead. Gone. There will be someone else seeing the world with my eyes, but it won't be me. I'll never get to see a goddamn thing again.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: emmet on May 05, 2011, 07:07:55 am
Yeah. The last thing you experience would be stepping into the transporter and getting vaporised.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Flisch on May 05, 2011, 07:19:36 am
Except, you wake up on the other side. And even if you don't, unless you believe in an afterlife, nothing really happens and a "copy" of you continues.

So what's the deal?
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Didero on May 05, 2011, 07:33:15 am
Except, you wake up on the other side. And even if you don't, unless you believe in an afterlife, nothing really happens and a "copy" of you continues.

So what's the deal?
Because you don't wake up on the other side. You get completely deconstructed, so you cease to exist. The fact that an exact copy of you gets assembled in another location doesn't change that fact.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: emmet on May 05, 2011, 08:22:30 am
It's not you. It's just another person convinced it's you.

If I was about to murder you, but told you that I was going to implant all your memories and personality into another victim of mine using some advanced technology, so that that person walked away scot-free, convinced that he was you and had just been let go, would that comfort you? I very much doubt it.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Flisch on May 05, 2011, 10:06:18 am
Well... yeah it would... Of course we are talking about a nonconditional and degrade-free transplantation of all memories and emotions to the other body. So yeah... I'd be fine with that. After all you're never the same person you are from birth. Every single cell in your body will have been replaced at least once. (With the possible exception of the bones, but last time I checked they don't carry a consciousness.)

Of course we assume that the other person's consciousness will be removed. I don't wanna have any split personalities in my new body.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Didero on May 05, 2011, 10:10:23 am
After all you're never the same person you are from birth. Every single cell in your body will have been replaced at least once. (With the possible exception of the bones, but last time I checked they don't carry a consciousness.)
The only constant through all that is your consciousness though. And when you completely deconstruct your body, your consciousness stops. You will stop existing.
The fact that a completely identical clone is build somewhere else doesn't change anything about the fact that you will be dead.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: munchkin5 on May 05, 2011, 10:14:17 am
Being dead might not be half bad though, if igonrance is bliss and death is the ultimate ignorance then consequently death = ultimate bliss.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Krakow Sam on May 05, 2011, 10:15:10 am
Well... yeah it would... Of course we are talking about a nonconditional and degrade-free transplantation of all memories and emotions to the other body. So yeah... I'd be fine with that. After all you're never the same person you are from birth. Every single cell in your body will have been replaced at least once. (With the possible exception of the bones, but last time I checked they don't carry a consciousness.)

Of course we assume that the other person's consciousness will be removed. I don't wanna have any split personalities in my new body.

Yes, but flisch, there is no continuity. YOU DIE. For everyone else its like you never left, but the you that goes in the teleporter instantly dies.

Take this analogy.

You buy a guitar. Through playing it, naturally the strings break from time to time and need replacing. Then when you are moving house a builder puts his foot through the body and it has to be replaced. Some years later while imitating Metal icons of the ages you smash the guitar against a bandmate's head and the neck breaks and has to be replaced.

Is it the same guitar now that every part has been replaced, is it the same guitar? Arguably yes, arguably no, its pretty ambiguous.
However, one thing most people would agree on is its more the same guitar than if you just bought a brand new guitar and replaced the old one.

Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Flisch on May 05, 2011, 10:22:02 am
*rolls eyes*


FINE, different approach. It's metaphysics metaphor time!

I write a story. An ongoing story. Like a giant book. Every time a page gets crumbled or starts to degrade, I will write down all letters of that page onto a fresh new one and replace the old one with it. Over time all the pages are replaced. It's still the same story. Now I say "Hey I want to show someone else my awesome story, but sending them the book is too expensive." So instead of sending them a physical copy, I send them the story via binary code. They have a decoder that automatically prints the decoded stuff onto blank new pages smewhere else and also makes it into a book. (Depending on how far you want to go with the clone idea, you could say they try to produce the exact same replica.)

How is the stoy he receives NOT the story you have written? It's exactly the same.

Of course, you'd also have to throw your book into the fires of mount doom, because two copies of the same story is simply irresponsible.


Well... yeah it would... Of course we are talking about a nonconditional and degrade-free transplantation of all memories and emotions to the other body. So yeah... I'd be fine with that. After all you're never the same person you are from birth. Every single cell in your body will have been replaced at least once. (With the possible exception of the bones, but last time I checked they don't carry a consciousness.)

Of course we assume that the other person's consciousness will be removed. I don't wanna have any split personalities in my new body.

Yes, but flisch, there is no continuity. YOU DIE. For everyone else its like you never left, but the you that goes in the teleporter instantly dies.

Take this analogy.

You buy a guitar. Through playing it, naturally the strings break from time to time and need replacing. Then when you are moving house a builder puts his foot through the body and it has to be replaced. Some years later while imitating Metal icons of the ages you smash the guitar against a bandmate's head and the neck breaks and has to be replaced.

Is it the same guitar now that every part has been replaced, is it the same guitar? Arguably yes, arguably no, its pretty ambiguous.
However, one thing most people would agree on is its more the same guitar than if you just bought a brand new guitar and replaced the old one.


How is a guitar an analogy to your mind. If anything it's an analogy to your body, and I agree with everyone who says that the new body is not YOUR body, as it isn't made of the same atoms. (Unless string theory is involved. lol)

Addendum: If anyone is going to say the story is destroyed by throwing the original book into mount doom, I am going to smack that person with the definition of a story. (Hint: A story is not a physical object.)
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: munchkin5 on May 05, 2011, 10:25:37 am
I believe what you were thinking of was the "Trigger's Broom Analogy" Sam:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbha4XclSMU

Also, Flisch, the mind is the physical brain, if that is destroyed so is the mind. In the case of your analgoy the best i think of to make this fit would be to say if you swapped the books the person reading them wouldn't know, but he wouldn't be reading the same book.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Flisch on May 05, 2011, 10:28:14 am
Also, Flisch, the mind is the physical brain, if that is destroyed so is the mind.
No, the mind is an abstract thing that is created and can only exist through the brain or another structure that mimics a brain.


In the case of your analgoy the best i think of to make this fit would be to say if you swapped the books the person reading them wouldn't know, but he wouldn't be reading the same book.
But we are not talking about switching two identical bodies with identical minds, we are talking about transportalization.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: /lurk on May 05, 2011, 10:32:31 am
All the different analogies people are using are getting everything confused. It's easier to stick to the teleporter idea and just tweak it a bit. Suppose the teleporter doesn't vapourise you when it scans you, so it creates a clone when you're still there. The clone clearly isn't you, and this doesn't change just because you died when you were scanned.


The story analogy doesn't work because a story isn't a physical object, but a human being is.



Edit: Oh, also:

Of course, you'd also have to throw your book into the fires of mount doom, because two copies of the same story is simply irresponsible.

Way to destroy that priceless first edition manuscript. You could have at least auctioned it for charity.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Krakow Sam on May 05, 2011, 10:33:10 am
No Flisch, for your book analogy to corrsepond to the transporter you just threw out the book and it got written out again in exactly the same way.

If you replaced each page as it wore out then thats more analogous to the brain replacement surgery you can get when you contract the brain-rewiring virus.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: munchkin5 on May 05, 2011, 10:36:58 am
Also, Flisch, the mind is the physical brain, if that is destroyed so is the mind.
No, the mind is an abstract thing that is created and can only exist through the brain or another structure that mimics a brain.

Even with that definition destroying the brain still destroys the mind.

As another point, if the transporter didn't destroy the person in the departure bay but still built a new one at the other end, they wouldn't be the same person, so why would it be the same person if the original brain is destroyed? (EDIT: didn't see lurk's post there, but this is pretty much the same point)

In the case of your analogy the best i think of to make this fit would be to say if you swapped the books the person reading them wouldn't know, but he wouldn't be reading the same book.
But we are not talking about switching two identical bodies with identical minds, we are talking about transportalization.

Its the same as destroying the first one and replacing it with a copy, just in different places.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Flisch on May 05, 2011, 10:41:21 am
The story analogy doesn't work because a story isn't a physical object, but a human being is.
But the mind is not. And again, you guys keep saying how it's not you if the body is destroyed. I say it is still you, even if it's a new body. As I said, if I write the same story into a different book, it is still the same story.

All the different analogies people are using are getting everything confused. It's easier to stick to the teleporter idea and just tweak it a bit. Suppose the teleporter doesn't vapourise you when it scans you, so it creates a clone when you're still there. The clone clearly isn't you, and this doesn't change just because you died when you were scanned.
Guess what, for an infinitely small moment those two people are by all standards one and the same person consciousness, except that they're are locally apart, but same happens when you transportalizify. But after that moment, (Again the moment is indefinately small, just a single coordinate on the time line.) you two become two separate entities, as your mind changes from one another, slowly, like an ongoing story that advances, but that is written by two authors.* One of the clones will have the memory that his clone is standing to his left, and vice versa. But yes, for that wee tiny moment they're not only indistinguishable, but they are by all means and definition the same consciousness.

Basically, also answered Munchkin's post and Sam is now jumping to another point and is trying to divert from the topic at hand.

*This line will probably produce some witty posts like "bah so theyre different authors, you admit to them being different people now!!!!"
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Krakow Sam on May 05, 2011, 10:43:18 am
Flisch, you are essentially saying you believe in a soul which carries over between bodies.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Flisch on May 05, 2011, 10:48:07 am
Quite the contrary. It appears to me like you guys believe in a soul that is bound to the physical body. Once the body is destroyed the soul is freed and "dies" and a new soulless husk/new body with a new soul completely from scratch is created.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: /lurk on May 05, 2011, 10:49:46 am
Consciousness is bound to the physical body! Where did you think it came from?
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: munchkin5 on May 05, 2011, 10:51:19 am
Quite the contrary. It appears to me like you guys believe in a soul that is bound to the physical body. Once the body is destroyed the soul is freed and "dies" and a new soulless husk/new body with a new soul completely from scratch is created.

You make no sense.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Flisch on May 05, 2011, 10:55:12 am
Consciousness is bound to the physical body! Where did you think it came from?
To a physical body. The text clearly states that all the memories and stuff are being transplanted onto the new body, so the consciousness has been transfered to a new physical host.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Krakow Sam on May 05, 2011, 10:58:43 am
But as we keep saying, there is no continuity!
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Flisch on May 05, 2011, 11:05:22 am
Is there a conscious continuity when you go to sleep?

Because, barring lucid dreams, I think not.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Ultimatum on May 05, 2011, 11:06:44 am
This is the silliest argument I've seen today.

Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Flisch on May 05, 2011, 11:07:38 am
This is the silliest argument I've seen today.


"Continuity" in itself is a silly argument. Why does there need to be continuity for a consciousness to be the same?
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: munchkin5 on May 05, 2011, 11:09:09 am
Is there a conscious continuity when you go to sleep?

Because, barring lucid dreams, I think not.

The mind isn't destroyed or even shut down when you sleep, it's still active the whole time, ask any neuroscientist.

When you destory the brain the mind must go with it, there is nowhere for it to be suspended or held after that, you can't avoid the fact that you have to create a new mind no-matter how indistinguisable from the old one.

If you understand physics you should know how the same thing could hypothetically happen with an electron between source and detector, personally i think this is a better analogy than books.

And if you don't like it ultimatum, then you can git out.
i hope you get the southpark refrence, if not i may of accidentally been too harsh
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: /lurk on May 05, 2011, 11:16:19 am
Is there a conscious continuity when you go to sleep?

Because, barring lucid dreams, I think not.

Confirmed: Flisch is wrong.




With that out of the way, Flisch, please explain to me your reasoning why you don't die when you kill yourself as long as you duplicate yourself first. It is presently my understanding that people die when they are killed.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Great Distance on May 05, 2011, 11:55:42 am
Flisch said he refuses to answer that question when it's predeceded by the statement that he's wrong, so he answered me on MSN instead. Now, there are stuff I need to do, so I was wondering if you wanted to reply to him in any way.

Flisch sanoo (21:50)
oh you dont die when you duplicate yourself AFTER you disintegrate yourself
Flisch sanoo (21:51)
infact duplicating yourself before it basically would create another individual, youd have to do it at the same time or AFTER the disintegration part
to have no branching consciousness
Flisch sanoo (21:51)
but the text didnt say youre duplicated first
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Brandonazz on May 05, 2011, 12:02:31 pm
Ugh.

That's not how it works.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: munchkin5 on May 05, 2011, 12:10:05 pm
Hey look, Flisch invented some science.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Flisch on May 05, 2011, 12:14:15 pm
You know, there's no debate if you just keep saying "it doesn't" without explaining why you think so.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: munchkin5 on May 05, 2011, 12:16:04 pm
My problem is you just made your argument up, there is no scientific reason to believe consiousness exists outside of the physical brain, except you seem to be stating as fact that it does.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Eagle on May 05, 2011, 12:21:47 pm
Flisch is right.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Flisch on May 05, 2011, 12:22:19 pm
Bluh. I've showed you that simile with the story in a book. Why do you think a consciousness it a physical thing? It's not, it is something abstract, that only exists because the brain creates a pattern that creates the consciousness, that IS the consciousness. But a pattern can be replicated and it will be the same pattern, because it is something abstract. If I create the SAME pattern in another brain I will have the SAME consciousness.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Great Distance on May 05, 2011, 12:26:19 pm
WELL

IT MAY BE THE SAME CONSCIOUSNESS

BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN I WILL SUDDENLY BECOME ANY PERSON WHO HAS THE SAME CONSCIOUSNESS AS I DO
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Doctor Z on May 05, 2011, 12:28:50 pm
Do you really think it will be -you- looking out through those eyes, though? Instead of something that just thinks it's you?


And are you willing to risk your existence on that idea?
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: emmet on May 05, 2011, 12:31:23 pm
Flisch, while you're sort of right about a mind not being a physical thing, it is very much a product of one. Your idea that the mind is somehow incorporeal implies that it could exist without being a result of something physically existing, in other words, you seem to believe in a soul. The only difference is that you are calling it by a different name.

Guess what. This forum is exactly as "physical" as a mind is (arguably less so). It's based in something physical, even though you could argue that it is itself just an organization of concepts.

And don't even try to argue that copying this forum is the same as copying a mind. A forum doesn't have consciousness.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: munchkin5 on May 05, 2011, 12:33:08 pm
Bluh. I've showed you that simile with the story in a book. Why do you think a consciousness it a physical thing?

Books aren't conscious. An individual consciousness is unique to the physical object that simulates it, i.e the consciousness isn't physical but is inseparable from its physical host.

It's not, it is something abstract, that only exists because the brain creates a pattern that creates the consciousness, that IS the consciousness. But a pattern can be replicated and it will be the same pattern, because it is something abstract. If I create the SAME pattern in another brain I will have the SAME consciousness.

Nebulous babble ungrounded in reality, you cannot simply posit that it would be the same consciousness without first explaining the mechanism that could achieve that.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Flisch on May 05, 2011, 12:51:22 pm
Bluh. I've showed you that simile with the story in a book. Why do you think a consciousness it a physical thing?

Books aren't conscious. An individual consciousness is unique to the physical object that simulates it, i.e the consciousness isn't physical but is inseparable from its physical host.
Well, of COURSE books/stories aren't conscious. They're not consciousnesses. I mean, a metaphor only works until a certain point, because if it would line up perfectly with the topic at hand, it would cease to be a metaphor.

*snip*

Also, as I have told Sam already, the book is not an analogy to the consciousness, but to the body.*


It's not, it is something abstract, that only exists because the brain creates a pattern that creates the consciousness, that IS the consciousness. But a pattern can be replicated and it will be the same pattern, because it is something abstract. If I create the SAME pattern in another brain I will have the SAME consciousness.

Nebulous babble ungrounded in reality, you cannot simply posit that it would be the same consciousness without first explaining the mechanism that could achieve that.
Now I am sure you are trolling me. I have explained it several times. How is it NOT the same consciousness? It has EXACTLY 100% the same thoughts, feelings, memories, everything as the other one. You will not be able to disprove my points by IGNORING my points and repeatedly ask me to explain them when I already did. Ask me a specific question to a post I made, or simply accept that you can't argue my points, but this is stupid. -_-

*It is fascinating that you guys apply the same logic to the book as you do to the body. I can't call you inconsistent, I give you that. Just as you value the body more than the actual consciousness, you too value the book more than the actual story.
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Post by: Doctor Z on May 05, 2011, 12:57:06 pm
At the very least, I don't care about the body. I only care about the brain, and only in that I don't want to lose my continuity. I don't care if someone else is running around with the exact same brain-structure as me, I don't believe it'll be the same person.

In other words, I value the consciousness a -whole- lot more than you seem to be, because I care, and worry, about whether or not the possibility that it -won't- be me is true, while you seem to be quite sure that it will be!
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Post by: /lurk on May 05, 2011, 12:58:46 pm
Okay, let's try ths:

>disintegrate Flisch in the scanner
>beam data to Mars
>make new Flisch
>use data to make another new Flisch
>BUT WHICH ONE DO I SHOOT?
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Post by: Luminar on May 05, 2011, 01:03:23 pm
Now I am sure you are trolling me. I have explained it several times. How is it NOT the same consciousness? It has EXACTLY 100% the same thoughts, feelings, memories, everything as the other one.

But who was phone? Say you copied yourself. No death involved at any point. Do you as an extant consciousness therefore have control over both instances of yourself by virtue of them both being you?
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Post by: emmet on May 05, 2011, 01:06:07 pm
Look, Flisch, your argument seems to posit that the definition of "you" is the exact arrangement of chemical reactions and molecules at one given time, a snapshot, as it were.

The problem here is by that definition, we are constantly dying as even one of our cells dies or one reaction stops.

A consciousness is more than just a snapshot of cells and reactions. It is a continuity. A continuity which is broken by the transporter.

I'm going to give you a few scenarios and see how you react to each.

1) You aren't killed by the transporter. You've said yourself that you would briefly be the same consciousness, but I ask you, what does that imply of consciousness? It's like you think that there's some sort of instantaneous wireless link between both minds, as this would be the only way you coukd simultaneously see through both eyes. You also said that the consciousnesses would break apart moments afterwards, due to their differing experiences. The problem here is that when you get killed by a transporter, one of you is experiencing death and one of you is alive, therefore you are different consciousness by your own definition. The alternative to that is to kill one before creating the other, but you yourself discredited that, and it brings us back to the whole "instant wireless link" problem.

2) I take you apart, write down absolutely everything about your chemical arrangement, and then send that information to someone on the other side of the world. 6 months later, you're put back together and "reanimated." Did you just experience an instantaneous jump?

3) You are transported, but a few tiny inconsequential neurons are misplaced. Are you still you? How many neurons does it take for you to say otherwise? How is this different from me taking a chunk of your brain?
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Post by: munchkin5 on May 05, 2011, 01:07:54 pm
Now I am sure you are trolling me. I have explained it several times. How is it NOT the same consciousness? It has EXACTLY 100% the same thoughts, feelings, memories, everything as the other one. You will not be able to disprove my points by IGNORING my points and repeatedly ask me to explain them when I already did. Ask me a specific question to a post I made, or simply accept that you can't argue my points, but this is stupid. -_-

*It is fascinating that you guys apply the same logic to the book as you do to the body. I can't call you inconsistent, I give you that. Just as you value the body more than the actual consciousness, you too value the book more than the actual story.

You haven't explained anything, all you've done, again, is insist that its the same consciousness.

The original consciousness ceased to exist when the brain simulating it died, that person died, you can't just resurrect them by building a copy of their brain and then installing a file marked "memories", of course the new person would experience it as the same consciousness but the old person would have ceased to experience anything when the brain was destroyed.

What you appear to be doing is treating the consciousness as some existential object which survives the death of the brain and then inhabits anything in future that resembles it's old home.

And finally, the book was your goddamn idea.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Doctor Z on May 05, 2011, 01:13:01 pm
The first one in the arguement to say the other(s) is/are trolling, is themselves the likeliest to be a troll.


Therefore I posit that Flisch be trollin', yo.
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Post by: munchkin5 on May 05, 2011, 01:20:00 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/6dAYc.jpg)
An excellent deduction young scholar.
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Post by: Doctor Z on May 05, 2011, 01:28:38 pm
Thank you, Professor Puppens.
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Post by: Neoadept on May 05, 2011, 01:32:35 pm
It is a strange feeling, to agree with Flisch.

I am not meat, no mere arrangement of particles.  Nor am I some hypothetical untestable entity, piloting the intricate workings of a human body.  I am a wavefront, a pattern of energy propagating across the skin of the world, continually creating the next iteration of myself, a wavefront that can be recorded and replicated.

And in that creation, the predecessor is destroyed.

Oh, the analogy is not a perfect one.  The new and the old intermingle, there is, as you would call it, continuity.

Indeed, the concept of discontinuity horrifies me.

But not nearly as much as the concept of cessation, and over a long enough time period the probability of the destruction of a single physical form becomes a certainty.  Preservation, if not continuity, relies upon backups, upon copies, upon uncountable fail safes and plan Bs.

I am Neoadept, and I am Legion.

I prefer continuity, but uncertain continuity will always lose out against certain preservation.  50% just isn't enough for me.
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Post by: emmet on May 05, 2011, 01:46:00 pm
Why can't I just have a spaceship with a failsafe transporter in case of imminent destruction. >_>

Also - Neo, prove it.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Neoadept on May 05, 2011, 01:51:04 pm
Prove what?  That I value the preservation of my essential self more than the continuity of said self?

Um.  I do.  That is an opinion.  If you feel otherwise you are free not create backups of yourself.
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Post by: /lurk on May 05, 2011, 01:52:36 pm
Why backups? Surely the world would be better with more than just one Neoadept.






Oh wait that already happened once.
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Post by: munchkin5 on May 05, 2011, 01:54:29 pm
Nicely said neo.

Also i'm pretty sure this:
I prefer continuity, but uncertain continuity will always lose out against certain preservation
Means you don't agree with Flisch, or am i missing something?
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Post by: Neoadept on May 05, 2011, 01:58:00 pm
Flisch says things in such a weird way that I'm not exactly sure what his point is.  I think he's saying continuity doesn't matter?

I don't agree with that, but I value it less than others seem to, so there's a vague agreement going on.
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Post by: munchkin5 on May 05, 2011, 01:58:44 pm
I'm pretty sure he's saying continuity happens either way...
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Post by: Flisch on May 05, 2011, 02:02:26 pm
Now I am sure you are trolling me. I have explained it several times. How is it NOT the same consciousness? It has EXACTLY 100% the same thoughts, feelings, memories, everything as the other one.

But who was phone? Say you copied yourself. No death involved at any point. Do you as an extant consciousness therefore have control over both instances of yourself by virtue of them both being you?
*runs out of the room*

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

*comes back*

It is a strange feeling, to agree with Flisch.

(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c390/Flisch/avpnc5.gif)
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Post by: emmet on May 05, 2011, 02:05:03 pm
Neo, while I agree that people are sort of like a wave, you can't duplicate that wave and call it the exact same wave. We experience continual consciousness because, while we are constantly losing neurone, it is a gradual rotation of the old into the new. A constant stream of insignificant cell death. As I said, this is why I would have myself be converted to a computer gradually, at the cellular level.

Now, killing all those cells simultaneously is not how we naturally experience consciousness. There has not been a single observed case of brain duplication, and even if there was, it'd would be difficult nigh-on impossible to prove it's the same consciousness, which is what I was asking you to do.

I'll take 50% over ?% when it comes to self preservation, thanks.
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Post by: munchkin5 on May 05, 2011, 02:07:12 pm
He was writing poetically jackass.
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Post by: emmet on May 05, 2011, 02:08:37 pm
I interpreted the metaphor.
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Post by: munchkin5 on May 05, 2011, 02:10:03 pm
As a literal statement?

Also, I didn't mean to be that blunt, i'm sorry.
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Post by: emmet on May 05, 2011, 02:15:07 pm
I'm sorry, next time I'll interpret a metaphor as another metaphor.
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Post by: Neoadept on May 05, 2011, 02:24:43 pm
Neo, while I agree that people are sort of like a wave, you can't duplicate that wave and call it the exact same wave. We experience continual consciousness because, while we are constantly losing neurone, it is a gradual rotation of the old into the new. A constant stream of insignificant cell death. As I said, this is why I would have myself be converted to a computer gradually, at the cellular level.

Now, killing all those cells simultaneously is not how we naturally experience consciousness. There has not been a single observed case of brain duplication, and even if there was, it'd would be difficult nigh-on impossible to prove it's the same consciousness, which is what I was asking you to do.

I'll take 50% over ?% when it comes to self preservation, thanks.

Oh yes, it's almost certain that the instance of myself destroyed in the transporter genuinely dies, and that there is no continuity between the two.

I just prefer a guarantee that another iteration of myself survives to the mere possibility of preserving the original.

I measure the value of my life by it's effect on the world, and choose to categorize the effects of any duplicates as being identical to my own, since their existence and shape are directly reliant upon the decisions I made.  Whether or not they are "me" is irrelevant by this reckoning.  Their actions are my own, and through them my actions and goals continue on into a future I may not see.  I may not be eternal, but my will, my drive and purpose, can continue long after my demise.

It's an entirely subjective system, no more or less valid than yours.
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Post by: emmet on May 05, 2011, 02:31:47 pm
Oh.

Well in that case, I agree with you, and I think you misunderstood Flisch's standpoint because he seems to believe that you wouldn't die.

The only difference is I'd rather risk it. The idea that another iteration of me will continue after my death is comforting, but I'd rather not die anyway, thanks.

Anyway, the scenario is ridiculous because I'd refuse to go to Mars if they were my only options. >_>
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Post by: Josasa on May 05, 2011, 02:32:57 pm
YES! Finally, an actual argument! And like always (or at least how I used to do it), I'm going to go against the majority here (for the most part).

Normally, I would hate myself for bringing religion into an argument of this nature, but I think it is very relavent, and quite ironic that we are rehashing something that has been discussed thousands of years ago. Check this (http://instruct.westvalley.edu/lafave/The%20Questions%20of%20King%20Milinda.htm) out. This is basically the same metaphor that several people have brought up before (Sam, Flisch, probably someone else...), but it comes to a much different conclusion than what's being discussed here. And while that article seems to be avoiding many different things by concretely stating nothing, it does bring up some excellent points.

First off, it seems that we've come to a rut by believing that 'we' actually exist. Everyone automatically assumes that there is an 'I' (thanks to Descartes, no doubt), but how can we establish this? We can't. Either we haven't reached that level of technology yet, or the concept of being and existing is so far beyond our grasp that we may never understand it. On the other hand, seeing that we have limitations in this area, we can assume that 'we' do not actually exist and are actually part of something greater (as in the universe). This has some scientific backing, knowing that matter cannot be created nor destroyed, and seeing as we do not have a great deal of knowledge about the metaphysical world, we should not draw too much from it. The existence of a soul or something similar can be argued back and forth, but I think that misses the point and detracts from the argument. Even if a soul does exist, that doesn't necessarily argue for the fact that a 'self' exists, just that there may be something that survives after death. And yet, there are plenty of things that survive after death. Every bit of our body exists after death. It's just that there is no life in it.

Even as we sit here and argue about this, there really isn't any true idea of 'us' that exists. Sure, we use terms such as we, I, you, them, him, her, etc. (I've already used them 31 times and I've cringed every time) as it makes things easier to understand. Try playing a game of Waterfalls (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kings_%28card_game%29#Common_card_assignments) (or whatever you call it), and make one of the rules "No Pronouns." Couple that with a "No Cussing" rule and the game ends pretty quickly.

So can anyone offer a valid argument for the existence of a 'self' or something similar? I know, I probably pissed a lot of people off by switching the argument like this.
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Post by: emmet on May 05, 2011, 02:37:32 pm
Yeah, that seems to be an almost totally different argument.

I believe in myself because that is what I experience, and it doesn't matter what the truth is. I don't care if I'm in a dream or a simulation or whatever, it changes nothing.

So yeah, that's my view. It's either very naive or very wise!
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Post by: Josasa on May 05, 2011, 02:45:43 pm
Yeah, that seems to be an almost totally different argument.

I believe in myself because that is what I experience, and it doesn't matter what the truth is. I don't care if I'm in a dream or a simulation or whatever, it changes nothing.

So yeah, that's my view. It's either very naive or very wise!

I wouldn't say that it's totally different, just that it focuses on a different area of the argument. We've all been debating about the idea of existence in the first place. This just shifts it back to the beginning on whether or not 'we' actually exist. Everyone just seemed to skip over that idea.

As for your beliefs, there doesn't seem to be much basis for them, as I cannot experience them, or feel them, or measure them or anything of that nature (not that you can really 'measure' those things anyway). And while it may not matter to you, it certainly matters to me, just because I cannot experience these things (and vice versa). For all I know, you are just a simulation, but it's from my perspective. Then it comes down to how someone observes the world, because we all view it from our own perspectives (or so I've heard).
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Post by: munchkin5 on May 05, 2011, 02:48:33 pm
I know I exist because I am defined as the conscious experience that understands this fact, that is "the self" and that is what has to survive for me to survive, its a relatively simple propostion. If i didn't exist there would be no experience, there is an experience therefore "I"(As defined earlier) do exist.

As for the world around me there is no certainty, but I can be certain that I do exist, not that you exist though.

I believe this is actually the anthropic principle.
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Post by: emmet on May 05, 2011, 02:52:55 pm
Josasa, I don't care if you're a non-conscious simulation. You act conscious so it makes no difference.

I'd wager that if you care about this, it's only very rarely. I've yet to meet someone concerned about this during their day to day life.
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Post by: Josasa on May 05, 2011, 02:58:47 pm
I know I exist because I am defined as the conscious experience that understands this fact, that is "the self" and that is what has to survive for me to survive, its a relatively simple propostion. If i didn't exist there would be no experience, there is an experience therefore "I"(As defined earlier) do exist.

As for the world around me there is no certainty, but I can be certain that I do exist, not that you exist though.

I believe this is actually the anthropic principle.

Which kinda goes back to what I was just saying. How can I know that you actually exist (and vice versa)?

But claiming to understand existence is quite a big statement to make without having any serious evidence to support your claim. If you "understood" existence (and therefore consciously experienced it), not only would you be living, but you would understand the nature of life, the nature of the metaphysical world, and everything in between. To make such a bold claim only goes to show your true lack of knowledge in the area of existence.

Josasa, I don't care if you're a non-conscious simulation. You act conscious so it makes no difference.

I'd wager that if you care about this, it's only very rarely. I've yet to meet someone concerned about this during their day to day life.

What is it to "act consciously?" That seems to be a rather vague statement. By the way, I'm not trying to be a dick and be vague about this, it's just that this is a very non-specific argument when you really think about it.

Honestly, I can't say that I think on this in a day to day basis. I can say, that I probably think about this more than the average person. In fact, because of the religion class that I took this last semester, I can say that I thought about this every other day (as in, Monday, Wednesday and Friday) and that I don't really remember Saturday. Sunday I was too busy catching up with homework.
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Post by: emmet on May 05, 2011, 03:00:47 pm
You, and everyone I know, insist that they are conscious and sentient, and certainly act like it. That's all I need. Doesn't matter if they don't exist, they're still good company.

This is like the argument about whether we all see the same colours. It's a nice thought, but has absolutely no bearing on anyone's life.
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Post by: Josasa on May 05, 2011, 03:03:24 pm
Hopefully it would cause you to question your actual existence.
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Post by: munchkin5 on May 05, 2011, 03:04:14 pm
I know I exist because I am defined as the conscious experience that understands this fact, that is "the self" and that is what has to survive for me to survive, its a relatively simple propostion. If i didn't exist there would be no experience, there is an experience therefore "I"(As defined earlier) do exist.

As for the world around me there is no certainty, but I can be certain that I do exist, not that you exist though.

I believe this is actually the anthropic principle.

Which kinda goes back to what I was just saying. How can I know that you actually exist (and vice versa)?

But claiming to understand existence is quite a big statement to make without having any serious evidence to support your claim. If you "understood" existence (and therefore consciously experienced it), not only would you be living, but you would understand the nature of life, the nature of the metaphysical world, and everything in between. To make such a bold claim only goes to show your true lack of knowledge in the area of existence.

It actually just goes to show your lack of understanding of the anthropic principle, my existence is a logical inference of my experience, the later couldn't exist without the former.
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Post by: emmet on May 05, 2011, 03:05:53 pm
Hopefully it would cause you to question your actual existence.

If I don't exist, I'm certainly doing a very good job of convincing myself that I do.
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Post by: Josasa on May 05, 2011, 03:10:01 pm
I know I exist because I am defined as the conscious experience that understands this fact, that is "the self" and that is what has to survive for me to survive, its a relatively simple propostion. If i didn't exist there would be no experience, there is an experience therefore "I"(As defined earlier) do exist.

As for the world around me there is no certainty, but I can be certain that I do exist, not that you exist though.

I believe this is actually the anthropic principle.

Which kinda goes back to what I was just saying. How can I know that you actually exist (and vice versa)?

But claiming to understand existence is quite a big statement to make without having any serious evidence to support your claim. If you "understood" existence (and therefore consciously experienced it), not only would you be living, but you would understand the nature of life, the nature of the metaphysical world, and everything in between. To make such a bold claim only goes to show your true lack of knowledge in the area of existence.

It actually just goes to show your lack of understanding of the anthropic principle, my existence is a logical inference of my experience, the latter* couldn't exist without the former.

But how can you argue for the former (existence) in the first place?
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Post by: munchkin5 on May 05, 2011, 03:12:35 pm
Thats what I just told you, it was just written in the wrong order, my experience => my existence.

As in I know I am experiencing things, its happening right now, I also have memories of former experiences, experience infers existence of the person having that experience to that person, therefore I know I exist, whats so hard to get?
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Post by: Josasa on May 05, 2011, 03:16:52 pm
Thats what I just told you, it was just written in the wrong order, my experience => my existence.

As in I know I am experiencing things, its happening right now, I also have memories of former experiences, experience infers existence of the person having that experience to that person, therefore I know I exist, whats so hard to get?

And it looks like you're just using circular logic. So your experience justifies your existence, through the use of the anthropic principle. But then how do you justify your experiences? Wouldn't that rely on you actually 'existing'  in the first place? Circular logic doesn't work, because circular logic says so.
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Post by: emmet on May 05, 2011, 03:20:35 pm
Experiences are base justification. The only way we can perceive is by experience, and if we don't take experience for granted then we can prove or accept nothing.
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Post by: munchkin5 on May 05, 2011, 03:25:30 pm
And it looks like you're just using circular logic. So your experience justifies your existence, through the use of the anthropic principle. But then how do you justify your experiences? Wouldn't that rely on you actually 'existing'  in the first place? Circular logic doesn't work, because circular logic says so.

But thats the point, its a tautology that i experience therefore i exist, i have to exist in some capacity before experience is even possible.

I could try a proof by contradiction, suppose first i don't exist, then add in the self evident fact that i can and do experience things. The first condition makes the second impossible therefore the first condition must be false. The first condition being false implies that i do exist, therefore i exist.

It's a simple logical line of reasoning, you'd have to have a pretty weird defintion of nonexistence before my experience is compatible with it.

And just to clear something up:
But then how do you justify your experiences? Wouldn't that rely on you actually 'existing'  in the first place?

Nope, the experience is self evident. Of course to experience something i would need to exist, but i do experience things, so there's your experimental proof too.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: emmet on May 05, 2011, 03:27:13 pm
It's so dumb to question whether you experience things.

The act of questioning it is an experience.
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Post by: munchkin5 on May 05, 2011, 03:28:33 pm
My point exactly
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Post by: emmet on May 05, 2011, 03:30:25 pm
Pretty much one of the only legitimate self evident facts.
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Post by: Josasa on May 05, 2011, 03:35:07 pm
HOW is the act of questioning something an experience? You guys are making an awful lot of assumptions.

And you must remember, NO question is ever a dumb question. Where would we be if we didn't start to question things?
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Post by: munchkin5 on May 05, 2011, 03:36:30 pm
No this:

HOW is the act of questioning something an experience?

Is a dumb question.
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Post by: Josasa on May 05, 2011, 04:06:08 pm
Thanks for adding to the argument.
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Post by: Neoadept on May 05, 2011, 04:07:23 pm
Okay, put forth an alternate hypothesis.  What is the alternative to existence that logically explains observed phenomena, in this case, the sensation of external phenomena?  This is not an alternative for the existence of the phenomena, as these could be replicated, but rather the existence of the entity collecting sensory data from said phenomena.

For the life of me, I can't think of an alternative to existence that explains my experiencing things.
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Post by: munchkin5 on May 05, 2011, 04:10:04 pm
I'm pretty much going to go ahead and define experience as the awareness of existence, and now I have a completely watertight argument, I'm going to bed.
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Post by: Josasa on May 05, 2011, 04:35:15 pm
What part of "you" actually exists? Is it your body? Is it your brain? Is it your mind (even those this is connected with the brain)? I know this is part of the argument that existed before, and many people disagreed on the specifics. But for all intents and purposes, let's just say that your brain (and therefore your mind) represents "you."

But what do you actually control about your mind or your brain? The brain is just a connection of neurons that react when certain processes fire off in your brain. And, as many neuroscientists and psychologists have determined, the mind simply arises out of the brain. So what do you actually control from this whole system? Looking further into, nothing. You exert no control over the laws of the universe. Your brain follows a series of predetermined processes that determine what actions will be acted out and the thoughts that "you" will think. All these "experiences" that "you" have "experienced" are really just the course of action that was meant to happen from the beginning of time. You have no control over them, just like you have no control over the universe. You can't influence whether a comet ends up smashing into the earth, just like you can't actively influence the next time it will rain.

"You" don't exist.

So now this comes down to a debate between free will and determinism.
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Post by: Neoadept on May 05, 2011, 05:03:52 pm
Technically, there's a good chance the universe is probabilistic, though that doesn't give any more credence to free will than determinism.

Honestly though, the "self" is not reliant upon free will unless you choose to define it that way.

As I said, I define my "self" as the wave front of energies that describe my current state.  All my decisions are based entirely upon external stimuli interacting with this wave front.  I am a ripple of a dropped stone, modified by the ripples cast by a billion other stones.  I know that this ripple exists by the virtue that this thought is the direct result of the ripple's interaction, and is, in fact, indistinguishable.  As the collection of memories, personality, and miscellaneous other components that make me up cannot exist independent of the ripple and are defined entirely by the ripple's shape and momentum, I choose not to differentiate between the two.  I am the ripple, I am the wavefront.

Whether or not free will enters into that equation is irrelevant.

...

Has anyone else ever wondered if the ocean is sentient?  The pressure differentials in that much water potentially offer vast amounts of computation power, and it's existed longer than life has.  Any emergent self perpetuating patterns in it would be enormously fragile as compared to coherent life, but are still theoretically possible.

*ponders the possibility of communicating with the ocean*
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: emmet on May 05, 2011, 05:24:11 pm
I've entertained the thought, but don't really believe in the possibility at all. Our current understanding of life, let alone sentient life, seems to depend on the interaction of several different compounds and elements.

Also, the idea of a self-perpetuating, evolving ocean current is more than a little ridiculous.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Josasa on May 05, 2011, 06:47:58 pm
That's a very interesting thought process Neo (Tesla is just a negative Nancy ;))

In all honesty, I feel these debates are a little out of our grasp. Still fun to think about them though.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: /lurk on May 05, 2011, 09:43:46 pm
Wait I thought we already established that there was no free will ages ago. Making decisions without being coerced counts as free will for moral dilemmas, but the universe is probabilistic and there's no room for magic pixies in your brain.


Neo sure is eloquent though.


Edit: the entropy of the ocean is just way too high for something like that to perpetuate itself.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: munchkin5 on May 06, 2011, 05:34:23 am
Has anyone else ever wondered if the ocean is sentient?  The pressure differentials in that much water potentially offer vast amounts of computation power, and it's existed longer than life has.  Any emergent self perpetuating patterns in it would be enormously fragile as compared to coherent life, but are still theoretically possible.

*ponders the possibility of communicating with the ocean*
Our minds had to evolve to do what they do, there's no way a structure capable of generating a complex consciousness like that would just emerge out of ocean currents.

So now this comes down to a debate between free will and determinism.

As neo has already said, free will doesn't factor into the question of whether or not i exist.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: sgore on May 11, 2011, 10:02:52 pm
Finally took the quiz.
Twas interesting.

Existentialism    
   90%
Utilitarianism    
   70%
Hedonism    
   45%
Divine Command    
   40%
Justice (Fairness)    
   35%
Kantianism    
   30%
Strong Egoism    
   20%
Apathy    
   15%
Nihilism    
   5%
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: emmet on June 06, 2011, 04:49:44 pm
Answer the question; What is consciousness? (http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/play/what-is-consciousness/)
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: munchkin5 on June 06, 2011, 05:36:54 pm
I was split between functionalism and epiphenomenalism, eventually i went for the former.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Brandonazz on June 06, 2011, 05:38:23 pm
I like functionalism and cognitivism.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Doctor Z on June 06, 2011, 05:41:38 pm
I'm basically a reductionist. I don't remember what I put, but I know Functionalism and Cognitivism were two of them.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: emmet on June 06, 2011, 05:46:59 pm
Oh, guys, remember you can pick 3.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Clarke on June 06, 2011, 05:51:32 pm
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You're a Functionalistic Identity Theorizing Emergent Dualist

I chose the ones I most agreed with, but there were two or so I would have picked if more had to be chosen.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Rysworld on June 06, 2011, 05:58:03 pm
                                                                 You're a Functionalistic Identity Theorizing Higher Order Theorist



Sure, sounds about right.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: emmet on June 06, 2011, 06:23:22 pm
Everyone is on pretty much the same level, so it seems.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Josasa on June 06, 2011, 10:54:51 pm
Epiphenomenalistic Quantum Conscious Buddhist

This kinda just shows what our argument was from before (for those that participated).

I'm still really up in the air about this. I've read several religious texts on Buddhism which actually coincide with recent studies in the psychology of humans that actually suggest the mind has the ability to change the brain itself (see neuroplasticity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroplasticity)). This essentially eliminates the possibility of any dualism being correct, simply because it is not a 'one-way' causation that psychologists and neurologists have believed to be true for the past one hundred years or so (basically, that the brain creates the mind, but that the mind has no effect on the brain).

The Mind and the Brain (http://www.amazon.com/Mind-Brain-Neuroplasticity-Power-Mental/dp/0060988479) by Jeffrey Schwartz was a very interesting read (and where the place where I learned most of the stuff I know on this topic) and I recommend it to anyone that wishes to further pursue this area of study. One of the interesting points that it brought up was that for the past several decades, scientists and the like have been trying to describe the actions of the brain using Newtonian physics, when that simply doesn't work. Quantum theory, and further study in the area, is necessary before we can even start to comprehend the complex reactions that occur in the brain.

And yet I can't get over the fact that there is a very strong possibility that consciousness is just an evolutionary fluke that actually has no effect on the course of the universe. Sure, it's nice and all being able to think that we are conscious and that we can actually influence our actions, but the truth of the matter is, that whatever happens, will happen. There is no getting around that fact. And that's why I chose epiphenomenalism as well.

Alongside all of this sits the idea of Buddhism, which actually circles around back to my first choice. It was Schwartz's practice of Buddhism that led him down the track of actually challenging the psychological dogma that the brain created the mind. There is some truth behind Buddhist practices.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Krakow Sam on June 07, 2011, 12:59:22 am
Functionalist, Identity Theory, Emergent Dualism.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Kenotai on June 07, 2011, 06:23:30 am
I'm an Emergent Dualistic Higher Order Theorizing Buddhist.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: /lurk on June 07, 2011, 06:36:28 am
Quantum Conscious

Quantum doesn't mean "magic." I'm serious: Stop believing this.


PROTIP: When someone invokes "Quantum" to explain something happening in the human body it's safe to stop listening to them.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: munchkin5 on June 07, 2011, 06:58:18 am
I'd also like to point out that the buddhist explination is completely at odds with modern physics, because it needs an entirely new set of physical prinicples to actually make sense.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Josasa on June 07, 2011, 04:38:04 pm
Quantum Conscious

Quantum doesn't mean "magic." I'm serious: Stop believing this.


PROTIP: When someone invokes "Quantum" to explain something happening in the human body it's safe to stop listening to them.

When did I say that it involves "magic?"

PROTIP: When someone claims to have a complete understanding of something, it's safe to stop listening to them.

While you didn't necessarily make any such claim, there is no end in sight when it comes to quantum mechanics, quantum physics, or whatever you wish to call it. In fact, we have only very recently been able to make any headway in that field of science. There are still many possibilities out there.

But when considering magic...

ARTHUR C. CLARKE PROTIP: Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

I'd also like to point out that the buddhist explanation is completely at odds with modern physics, because it needs an entirely new set of physical prinicples to actually make sense.

Which is exactly the reason why I included "Quantum Consciousness" (notice, it is not just restricted to "Quantum") in my explanation.

Back to that thing with Quantum. Simply believing that Newtonian physics answers all the questions of the world is foolhardy. There are many cases where the laws and systems created at that time period are still in use today, but the only reason for that, is because we haven't come up with anything to prove it wrong, yet. I'm not specifically focusing on Newton and his time period, because the same also applies to Einstein and the physicists of that time period, it's just that a majority of current physics are based off of the laws that Newton developed, and that Einstein later tweaked (or changed altogether). I'm generalizing heavily here.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: munchkin5 on June 07, 2011, 05:07:11 pm
I'm gonna go ahead and assume you don't have an explanation, as long as you're sticking to the defintion of consciousness described under the buddhism option:

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a continuous stream of ever recurring phenomena, pinched like eddies into isolated minds

And you can't offer anything, other than some unknown under the label "Quantum".
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: emmet on June 07, 2011, 05:13:33 pm
It's all well and good to accept that there are aspects of physics we still have no idea about.

However, it's "foolhardy" as you say, to start making assertions simply based on the fact that we're not sure. That's pretty much just taking stuff on faith.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: /lurk on June 07, 2011, 05:57:09 pm
It's all well and good to accept that there are aspects of physics we still have no idea about.

Yeah, but quantum mechanics isn't that part.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Josasa on June 07, 2011, 11:42:21 pm
I'm gonna go ahead and assume you don't have an explanation, as long as you're sticking to the definition of consciousness described under the Buddhism option:

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a continuous stream of ever recurring phenomena, pinched like eddies into isolated minds

And you can't offer anything, other than some unknown under the label "Quantum".

An explanation for what, exactly?

To be honest, the definition provided for the Buddhist explanation of consciousness was off the mark and unfair in its description. A more accurate definition is, of course, longer and falls under the category of dependent arising (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prat%C4%ABtyasamutp%C4%81da). This being a fundamental law for their belief system also happens to tie in a lot of their religious practices, but it accurately says their beliefs when it comes to consciousness.

It's all well and good to accept that there are aspects of physics we still have no idea about.

However, it's "foolhardy" as you say, to start making assertions simply based on the fact that we're not sure. That's pretty much just taking stuff on faith.

That's a good point. I guess the reason I chose that one was because at this point it looks like the best option, or at least the only option that has any chance of solving these current mysteries. I wouldn't call that faith, but an educated guess on the topic of which area of study is most likely to give us results on the idea of consciousness.

It's all well and good to accept that there are aspects of physics we still have no idea about.

Yeah, but quantum mechanics isn't that part.

What makes you so sure?
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: munchkin5 on June 08, 2011, 03:55:21 am
An explanation for what, exactly?

An explanation of your views on consciousness, and why you hold them...

To be honest, the definition provided for the Buddhist explanation of consciousness was off the mark and unfair in its description. A more accurate definition is, of course, longer and falls under the category of dependent arising (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prat%C4%ABtyasamutp%C4%81da). This being a fundamental law for their belief system also happens to tie in a lot of their religious practices, but it accurately says their beliefs when it comes to consciousness.

Despite that article being a lot of woo and nonsense, it doesn't actually say anything about consciousness.

This (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebirth_%28Buddhism%29) does have something to say about consciousness, but again it's just a lot of woo and nonsense.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Krakow Sam on June 08, 2011, 04:58:41 am
Having looked at the conciousness brain thingy dingle again, the Quantum Conciousness option is still a bit wank, but I am inclined to agree with that its actually saying.

"Quantum Physics over Classical Physics can better explain it"

Well, yeah. Classical physics has a minimal bearing on the type of complex chemistry and electrical activity that goes on in the brain. Classical physics doesn't even explain things like how electrons move around in a chemical reaction, and living things are chock flippin full of complex chemical reactions.

So the option is factually correct, it just isn't actually a theory of conciousness :P
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Cyst on June 08, 2011, 01:27:23 pm
(http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb89/Badger_Man_22/Bluhtest.png)

I dunno what that means.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Josasa on June 08, 2011, 03:46:28 pm
An explanation for what, exactly?

An explanation of your views on consciousness, and why you hold them...

You know Munchkin, the last couple of discussions that I've been in with you have been pretty ****ty. I don't know if you realize this, but your posts come off as arrogant, and you really don't add much to the discussion at all. Not only have I provided you with an explanation of my three choices, but you completely failed to provide an explanation of your choices at all.
I was split between functionalism and epiphenomenalism, eventually i went for the former.

Of the choices listed in that survey, functionalism is one of the few ideas that has been refuted with studies. The very fact that the mind exists and can alter the brain through neuroplasicity raises several problems in the core theories that represent functionalism.

I'm gonna go ahead and assume you don't have an explanation, as long as you're sticking to the defintion of consciousness described under the buddhism option:

I have provided you, in three different posts, my explanation. Your inability to read and your assumptions have not only made you look like an ass, but have also made an ass out of me by forcing me to spoon feed you this information as if you were a second grader. If you don't understand the post the first time, you should consider reading it a second time. If you don't understand it then, try it one more time (since the third time is the charm). If you still can't manage to grasp the contents of the post, maybe sit it out?

Now that that is out of the way:
To be honest, the definition provided for the Buddhist explanation of consciousness was off the mark and unfair in its description. A more accurate definition is, of course, longer and falls under the category of dependent arising (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prat%C4%ABtyasamutp%C4%81da). This being a fundamental law for their belief system also happens to tie in a lot of their religious practices, but it accurately says their beliefs when it comes to consciousness.

Despite that article being a lot of woo and nonsense, it doesn't actually say anything about consciousness.

This (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebirth_%28Buddhism%29) does have something to say about consciousness, but again it's just a lot of woo and nonsense.

Again, this may just be your inability to read (or lack of understanding) coming into play, but if you looked a little bit further into the article, you would realize it had many things to say about consciousness. One of the biggest things it states is that consciousness is derived from the senses, which actually has a lot more basis in science than many care to admit. The very act of perceiving and recognizing things (which happens thanks to our senses of sight, touch, smell, taste, and hear) can be considered the base of consciousness. That was stated in the article, along with a bunch of religious stuff, which I'm sure you didn't like based on your o-so-insightful post. Here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vi%C3%B1%C3%B1%C4%81%E1%B9%87a) is another article of Buddhist beliefs that specifically focus on consciousness, and it was actually a link on the first article I gave to you (it was right next to the word "consciousness," but I guess you just missed that when you didn't even read it). It goes on to explain consciousness a little bit further, but it also has more religious stuff, which will probably cause you to completely ignore it and call it woo and nonsense. Ignorance is bliss, ain't it?
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: emmet on June 08, 2011, 04:06:01 pm
I refuse to accept that any religion has any bearing on the true nature of consciousness, and if it does, it's just luck.

Yep, straight-up refusing. No grey area.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Doctor Z on June 08, 2011, 04:17:40 pm
If you're going to be a dick about it, grab some of those scientific studies you are talking about but forgot to link to, eh?
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Josasa on June 08, 2011, 04:29:23 pm
I refuse to accept that any religion has any bearing on the true nature of consciousness, and if it does, it's just luck.

Yep, straight-up refusing. No grey area.

Normally I wouldn't say this, and I know that it probably sounds harsh, but the fact that you even stated something so blatantly I'm going to have to. That is a really stupid statement to make. Stupid because it is flat out ignorant. You have to remember that religion focuses on a variety of topics, not only on the afterlife and how you "get there." It questions how we (we being humanity) came to be, what the purpose of life is, and what life is altogether. From this, stems a plethora of other questions that religious figureheads, philosophers, and scientists have proceeded to analyze and provide theories in an attempt to provide an answer.

Remember that the original scientists were called "natural philosophers." These natural philosophers were attempting to answer questions and provide theories presented by the church and the classical philosophers such as Aristotle and Socrates. Now, if you can hold Aristotle and Socrates in such high regard, why do you completely ignore the ideas of Buddha and Confucious? Is it simply because they fall under the blanket term "religion?" These religious leaders used the same deductive reasoning that is esteemed of the classical philosophers. In fact, you could even argue that they were a helluva lot more successful because they have entire populations following their teachings. But I'm not trying to say that you should do the same, just that you should open your mind a little bit when it comes to these matters. Shunning these ideas makes you appear like some sort of religious fanatic who won't open his ears because it doesn't correspond with his system of beliefs.

That aside, what is your definition of religion?
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: munchkin5 on June 08, 2011, 07:01:00 pm
I'm gonna get back to this after I've slept. For now though I'd like to congratulate josasa on accusing me of be arrogant and an ass, and then going on to be and condescending and arrogant.

I don't want to get personal, I don't know why you had to start insulting me like that.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Josasa on June 08, 2011, 08:14:26 pm
I'm gonna get back to this after I've slept. For now though I'd like to congratulate josasa on accusing me of be arrogant and and ass and then going on to be and condescending and arrogant.

I don't want to get personal, I don't know why you had to start insulting me like that.

I do apologize, as I do not like ad hominem attacks. But in your case, you have consistently failed to read my posts or understand them. I have had to divert time and effort trying to explain my point whereas others have understood the message I was trying to illustrate. Not only did you not understand my points, but at the same time you were arrogant and brash, on multiple occasions. Not only is it annoying, but it is detrimental to the hopes of having a civil discussion. Please add something positive to the discussion, or, in lieu of that, actually back up statements in a creative manner.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: emmet on June 09, 2011, 03:35:02 am
I knew that would get to you Josasa. :P

I'd love to quote parts and argue them, but (a) I'm on a mobile device and (b) it'd just lead to more arguing.

If I accept anything as fact, it's (hopefully, anyway!) because I've been presented with adequate evidence or a sound argument. I said religion, not religious people. Religious people are perfectly capable of deductive reasoning and logical thought. I just have issue when they start talking about "the meaning of life" or "higher planes."

My definition of religion, and maybe this is naive, is the acceptance of the existence of something supernatural/paranormal on faith.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: munchkin5 on June 09, 2011, 05:33:05 am
I've had some time to sleep on in it, and I think I'd be better off explaining my views before I get to debunking yours.

Basically I'm starting from the presumption of monistic physicalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physicalism), as in, the mind and brain are a single entity, which is a physical entity. This leads directly to functionalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functionalism_%28philosophy_of_mind%29), i.e states of consciousness and experiences are physical processes in the brain, because there isn't anything else they could be. It doesn't say that outside influences (i.e. sensory information) can't effect these states, as they obviously can. As for your criticism here, Josasa:

Of the choices listed in that survey, functionalism is one of the few ideas that has been refuted with studies. The very fact that the mind exists and can alter the brain through neuroplasicity raises several problems in the core theories that represent functionalism.

Neuroplasticity doesn't refute functionalism at all; the fact that the way we think about things now can change the way we think about them in the future, is just an example of a positive feedback effect reinforcing structure in the brain.

Also, what are these studies?



I do apologize, as I do not like ad hominem attacks. But in your case, you have consistently failed to read my posts or understand them. I have had to divert time and effort trying to explain my point whereas others have understood the message I was trying to illustrate.

It's not a case of me not reading, or not understanding, your posts; it's a case of me disagreeing with you.

My main argument with all of this is that; whatever you want to say about consciousness, it'd be much clearer without all the Buddhism, and can be explained much better by modern science anyway. For instance the only really coherent thing to come out of your discussion of it is something along the lines of "sensory information effects consciousness", not that anyone said it didn't, or that this is unique to Buddhist philosophy.  What is unique to Buddhism on the other hand is a lot of unsupported metaphysical claims that run contrary to modern physics, the main offender being the whole rebirth thing (which i linked earlier), hence, "woo and nonsense". Perhaps when i mentioned that the wikipedia article didn't say anything about consciousness, i should have added "of value" after the nothing, because that's what I meant.

What this reminds me of is people claiming the Koran contains specific scientific information.

Finally I'd like to cover these two paragraphs:
I'm still really up in the air about this. I've read several religious texts on Buddhism which actually coincide with recent studies in the psychology of humans that actually suggest the mind has the ability to change the brain itself (see neuroplasticity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroplasticity)). This essentially eliminates the possibility of any dualism being correct, simply because it is not a 'one-way' causation that psychologists and neurologists have believed to be true for the past one hundred years or so (basically, that the brain creates the mind, but that the mind has no effect on the brain).

The Mind and the Brain (http://www.amazon.com/Mind-Brain-Neuroplasticity-Power-Mental/dp/0060988479) by Jeffrey Schwartz was a very interesting read (and where the place where I learned most of the stuff I know on this topic) and I recommend it to anyone that wishes to further pursue this area of study. One of the interesting points that it brought up was that for the past several decades, scientists and the like have been trying to describe the actions of the brain using Newtonian physics, when that simply doesn't work. Quantum theory, and further study in the area, is necessary before we can even start to comprehend the complex reactions that occur in the brain.

In the first paragraph, you seem to be both suggesting dualism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dualism_(philosophy_of_mind)), and denying it at the same time, i don't know if you've got your definitions mixed up or something. By inferring that the mind effects the brain, you're drawing a distinction between the two, now the mind would presumably have to be something physical or it wouldn't be able to interact with the physical brain, so what are you suggesting this something is?

Other people have sort of already addressed the second paragraph, but I'm going to go over it anyway. First off, you cite a book written by a psychologist, that discusses quantum theory. Secondly, you infer we can't explain the processes in the mind without quantum physics, (nevermind "we can't with Newtonian physics", you might of realised that science has moved on a lot since the 16th century), it turns out we can (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroscience).
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: emmet on June 09, 2011, 05:44:02 am
...as in, the mind and brain are a single entity, which is a physical entity. This leads directly to functionalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functionalism_%28philosophy_of_mind%29), i.e states of consciousness and experiences are physical processes in the brain, because there isn't anything else they could be. It doesn't say that outside influences (i.e. sensory information) can't effect these states, as they obviously can.

Might be easier just to say the mind and nervous system are a single entity. The effect of outside influences is now implied.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Great Distance on November 16, 2011, 12:12:47 pm
85%  Existentialism 
70% Hedonism 
70% Strong Egoism 
65% Nihilism 
60%  Apathy 
55%  Kantianism 
50%  Justice (Fairness) 
50%  Utilitarianism 
15% Divine Command 

90% Strong Egoism +20%
70% Existentialism -15%
60% Justice (Fairness) +10%
60% Kantianism +5%
55% Hedonism -15%
50% Apathy -10%
45% Nihilism -20%
40% Utilitarianism -10%
10% Divine Command -5%

Well, entering university has been a pretty big turning point in my life, but it hasn't stopped me from finding meaning in arbitrary tests, so I thought I'd do this again.

90% Existentialism +20%   
70% Kantianism +10%   
55% Utilitarianism +15%   
40% Hedonism -15%   
40% Justice (Fairness) -20%
35% Strong Egoism -55%   
25% Apathy -25%   
25% Nihilism -20%   
20% Divine Command +10%   
   
Existentialism is back to top and Kantianism is still on the rise. Utilitarianism's back up just as justice takes a plunge downwards. Strong egoism has lost its charm and apathy keeps losing ground along with nihilism. Gods are doing a little bit better than before.

I'm still not entirely sure what all these philosophies entail, but right now I'd say life has some meaning that can be determined by logic. Everyone should choose the path that is right for them. It makes me happy to see people working in a career they enjoy. Enjoying life is important, but it should be done by virtue and doing things that you are good at. I also feel good doing nice things for people and not just for myself. Even bad people don't deserve all the bad things they get. Also having a higher set of rules to follow is good for some people.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: /lurk on November 16, 2011, 12:43:11 pm
Entering university shook up your results, but finishing university just made me even more hedonistic and utilitarian than last time.

Quote
Hedonism    80% +5%
Utilitarianism    65% +15%
Existentialism    60% +20%
Kantianism    55% +20%
Justice (Fairness)    35% +/-0%
Apathy    30% +15%
Strong Egoism    30% -10%
Nihilism    25% +/-0%
Divine Command    0% +/-0%

To be fair, these tests probably reflect how you're feeling on that day more than any long-term changes in outlook.

One cute thing I noticed about the results on the front page is that none of the hedonists are American, but as far as I know all of the divine commands are. Get your priorities straight, lads!
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Inkling on November 16, 2011, 12:49:36 pm
What a European might look like:

(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/Not_Inkling/hedonismbot.jpg)
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Brandonazz on November 16, 2011, 01:04:44 pm
Aren't the egoists all American too?
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Kenotai on November 16, 2011, 01:11:41 pm
Existentialism    100%
Nihilism    85%
Strong Egoism    75%
Kantianism    75%
Hedonism    70%
Justice (Fairness)    50%
Utilitarianism    45%
Apathy    20%
Divine Command    20%
Existentialism    100% +/-0
Utilitarianism    85% +40%
Hedonism    75% +5%
Justice (Fairness)    70% +20%
Apathy    55% +35%
Strong Egoism    55% -20%
Kantianism    55% -20%
Nihilism    50% -35%
Divine Command    30% +10%
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Slinky on November 16, 2011, 01:42:18 pm
Well, here's mine. I am divine command and justice.

You Scored as Divine Command
Your life is directed by <b>Divine Command</b>: Your god and religion give you meaning and direction. Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations.” --King James Version of the Bible

Divine Command 
 90%
Justice (Fairness) 
 75%
Apathy 
 75%
Hedonism 
 70%
Kantianism 
 70%
Utilitarianism 
 50%
Existentialism 
 35%
Strong Egoism 
 30%
Nihilism 
 5%
 
You Scored as a : Divine Command Divine Command 90% Justice (Fairness) 75% Apathy 75% Hedonism 70% Kantianism 70% Utilitarianism 50% Existentialism 35% Strong Egoism 30% Nihilism 5%
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Inkling on November 16, 2011, 02:42:37 pm
Woo, I'm not the only Divine Commander here!
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Cyst on November 16, 2011, 05:16:22 pm
You Scored as Hedonism

Your life is guided by the principles of Hedonism: You believe that pleasure is a great, or the greatest, good; and you try to enjoy life’s pleasures as much as you can.

“Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die!”

Hedonism    
   100%
Strong Egoism    
   95%
Nihilism    
   80%
Apathy    
   80%
Kantianism    
   75%
Justice (Fairness)    
   70%
Existentialism    
   65%
Utilitarianism    
   30%
Divine Command    
   0%

Hedonism   
100%
Strong Egoism   
95%
Existentialism   
70%
Nihilism   
70%
Apathy   
65%
Utilitarianism   
55%
Justice (Fairness)   
40%
Divine Command   
30%
Kantianism   
15%

Didn't change much.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Rysworld on November 16, 2011, 05:22:04 pm
I really should be doing homework right now instead of browsing Gamingste- OOH A QUIZ I TOOK A WHILE AGO LET'S DO IT AGAIN

You Scored as Existentialism
Your life is guided by the concept of Existentialism: You choose the meaning and purpose of your life.

“Man is condemned to be free; because once thrown into the world, he is responsible for everything he does.”

“It is up to you to give [life] a meaning.” --Jean-Paul Sartre

“It is man's natural sickness to believe that he possesses the Truth.” --Blaise Pascal

Existentialism    95%
Hedonism            65%
Justice (Fairness)    65%
Utilitarianism    60%
Apathy            45%
Nihilism            45%
Kantianism            40%
Strong Egoism    35%
Divine Command    15%
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Oviraptor on November 16, 2011, 11:05:56 pm
FUN FACT

Blaise Pascal and I share a birthday. Also Garfield. And Paula Abdul...

And, meh, don't feel like taking this again, assuming I took it a first time.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Flisch on October 20, 2013, 05:07:13 pm
So it has been quite some time since I made this test and seeing how there have been some massive changes to my life since then, I thought it'd be interesting to see my philosophy also changed during that time.

70% Hedonism       
70% Justice (Fairness)
65% Apathy
60% Kantianism
50% Nihilism
50% Utilitarianism
45% Strong Egoism
35% Existentialism
0%  Divine Command
75% Justice (Fairness) +5%
75% Kantianism +15%
70% Hedonism +0%
60% Existentialism +25%
55% Apathy -10%
55% Nihilism +5%
50% Utilitarianism +0%
20% Strong Egoism -25%
0% Divine Command +0%

The most interesting changes is the rise in existentialism and decline of egoism. I guess having to think of my immediate future now that I will have to apply for a real job in about a year and a half, makes me think more about making my own path, which also seems to reduce my Apathy a bit.

I can't really explain the egoism part, but if I had to guess, it's mainly because we're working in teams all the time, so it makes you more aware that others depend on you and you on them, if you like it or not.

Also, I want to point out that I am one of the people with the fewest egoism points. I score that off as a personal success.

90% Hedonism +20%
75% Kantianism +0%
70% Utilitarianism +20%
65% Justice (Fairness) -10%
55% Nihilism +0%
45% Existentialism -15%
40% Apathy -15%
35% Strong Egoism +15%
0% Divine Command +0%

In retrospect I can't say I'm too surprised about the changes. Many of them make sense when I think about how my life changed over the last two years, especially the rise in Utilitarianism and (ironically) Egoism. I also find it cute how Apathy goes down every time I take the test. Maybe I should take it more often. :9
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Cyst on October 20, 2013, 05:48:27 pm
You Scored as Hedonism

Your life is guided by the principles of Hedonism: You believe that pleasure is a great, or the greatest, good; and you try to enjoy life’s pleasures as much as you can.

“Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die!”

Hedonism    
   100%
Strong Egoism    
   95%
Nihilism    
   80%
Apathy    
   80%
Kantianism    
   75%
Justice (Fairness)    
   70%
Existentialism    
   65%
Utilitarianism    
   30%
Divine Command    
   0%

Hedonism   
100%
Strong Egoism   
95%
Existentialism   
70% +5%
Nihilism   
70% -10%
Apathy   
65% -15%
Utilitarianism   
55% +20%
Justice (Fairness)   
40% -30%
Divine Command   
30% +30%
Kantianism   
15% -60%

Didn't change much.

Hedonism   
100%
Utilitarianism   
85% +30%
Justice (Fairness)   
80% +40%
Nihilism   
80% +10%
Kantianism   
80%  +65%
Existentialism   
60% -10%
Apathy   
50% -15%
Strong Egoism   
45% -50%
Divine Command   
0% -30%

Good to see how these things play out. Thanks for the resurrection Flisch~
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Brandonazz on October 20, 2013, 07:36:25 pm
I would take this again but don't care enough, so assume my apathy score went up.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Kenotai on October 20, 2013, 08:44:59 pm
Existentialism    100%
Nihilism    85%
Strong Egoism    75%
Kantianism    75%
Hedonism    70%
Justice (Fairness)    50%
Utilitarianism    45%
Apathy    20%
Divine Command    20%
Existentialism    100% +/-0
Utilitarianism    85% +40%
Hedonism    75% +5%
Justice (Fairness)    70% +20%
Apathy    55% +35%
Strong Egoism    55% -20%
Kantianism    55% -20%
Nihilism    50% -35%
Divine Command    30% +10%
Existentialism       100% +0%
Utilitarianism       95% +10%
Hedonism       80% +5%
Justice (Fairness)       65% -5%
Strong Egoism       55% +0%
Kantianism       35% -20%
Nihilism       30% -20%
Divine Command       10% -20%
Apathy       0% -55%

I appear to have lost all of my apathy. Interesting.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Cyst on October 21, 2013, 12:38:14 am
Pretty apathetic response to your lack of apathy. I think you're hiding something from us.


HEY EVERYONE KENOTAI DOESN'T HAVE ARMS!
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Yuu on October 21, 2013, 02:18:44 am
Divine Command     
   95%
Utilitarianism    
   85%
Justice (Fairness)    
   80%
Existentialism    
   70%
Hedonism    
   55%
Kantianism    
   50%
Strong Egoism    
   40%
Nihilism    
   15%
Apathy    
   0%

Divine Command    
   95%
Utilitarianism    
   90% +5%
Hedonism    
   75% +20%
Existentialism    
   75% +5%
Justice (Fairness)    
   65% -15%
Strong Egoism    
   60% +20%
Kantianism    
   45% -5%
Apathy    
   40% +40%
Nihilism    
   15%
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Didero on October 21, 2013, 03:42:06 am
Those aren't percentage changes, those are percentage point changes.
Y'all should update your posts.

</petpeeve></nitpick>
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Flisch on October 21, 2013, 08:20:19 am
Didero water u smokin
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: PatMan33 on October 21, 2013, 08:21:25 am
Utilitarianism    
   100%
Existentialism    
   100%
Hedonism    
   80%
Kantianism    
   60%
Justice (Fairness)    
   50%
Strong Egoism    
   35%
Apathy    
   25%
Divine Command    
   15%
Nihilism    
   0%

Had to go into a tie breaker... See you stupid jerks? I just want you all to be happy!! >:(

Existentialism    
   90%
Utilitarianism    
   85%
Hedonism    
   70%
Justice (Fairness)    
   65%
Kantianism    
   55%
Strong Egoism    
   40%
Nihilism    
   40%
Apathy    
   10%
Divine Command    
   0%


Not much change.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Lookatroopa on October 21, 2013, 08:47:15 am
Apathy    
   75%
Justice (Fairness)    
   70%
Hedonism    
   55%
Existentialism    
   55%
Strong Egoism    
   50%
Utilitarianism    
   50%
Kantianism    
   40%
Nihilism    
   25%
Divine Command    
   0%

Decided to give this a go. I'm surprisingly apathetic.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Didero on October 21, 2013, 09:06:20 am
Didero water u smokin
JUST BECAUSE IM DUTCH DOESNT MEAN IM ALWAYS ON DRUGS JEEEZ

Also, it's annoying and confusing when people get these terms wrong, which happens all too often.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Lookatroopa on October 21, 2013, 09:17:47 am
Water isn't a drug.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Slinky on October 21, 2013, 09:25:37 am
Then why are you addicted to it?
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Lookatroopa on October 21, 2013, 09:31:37 am
Addiction isn't limited to drugs. Furthermore, I'd have to practically drown myself periodically to truly be addicted to water.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: PatMan33 on October 21, 2013, 09:38:08 am
I am addicted to water.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: emmet on October 21, 2013, 10:15:56 am
I'm addicted to sobriety.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Brandonazz on October 21, 2013, 10:25:37 am
You're disgusting.
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Krakow Sam on October 21, 2013, 10:54:52 am
Can't be bothered to find the last one I did:

Hedonism    
   75%
Existentialism    
   65%
Utilitarianism    
   60%
Justice (Fairness)    
   55%
Strong Egoism    
   45%
Kantianism    
   40%
Apathy    
   25%
Nihilism    
   15%
Divine Command    
   0%
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Ultimatum on October 21, 2013, 11:04:08 am
I don't think I've done this before.
You Scored as Existentialism You choose the meaning and purpose of your life

“Man is condemned to be free; because once thrown into the world, he is responsible for everything he does.”
“It is up to you to give [life] a meaning.”
--Jean-Paul Sartre

Justice (Fairness) 
 75%
Existentialism 
 75%
Utilitarianism 
 50%
Hedonism 
 30%
Kantianism 
 25%
Apathy 
 25%
Strong Egoism 
 0%
Nihilism 
 0%
Divine Command 
 0%

Existentialism   
100%
Apathy   
95%
Justice (Fairness)   
75%
Utilitarianism   
50%
Hedonism   
40%
Strong Egoism   
35%
Kantianism   
35%
Nihilism   
10%
Divine Command   
0%
Title: Re: What's Philosophy Do You Follow? (Quiz)
Post by: Neoadept on October 21, 2013, 01:13:42 pm
Sam, it was the second post in the thread.

Come on.


You Scored as Hedonism

Your life is guided by the principles of Hedonism: You believe that pleasure is a great, or the greatest, good; and you try to enjoy life’s pleasures as much as you can. “Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die!”

Hedonism    100%
Kantianism    75%
Utilitarianism 70%
Existentialism 60%
Justice (Fairness) 60%
Strong Egoism    45%
Apathy    25%
Nihilism    20%
Divine Command    0%

straight to hell!