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Title: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: HolsteinCow on November 04, 2005, 07:46:03 pm
This topic was taken from the GameFaqs Spore forums, which was in turn taken from the Sims 2 forums. So if this seems familiar then there you go.

The way this game goes is that I give you a description of the species' situation and four evolutionary paths to choose from. The next day or so, I continue the story in the chosen direction.

A small, gray fish, about an inch long, swims through the floor of the reef its species has inhabited for decades, consuming plankton with its primitive mouth. However, a large population of more advanced and dominant fish has recently arrived from the deep sea, placing themselves at the top of this food chain and feeding their seemingly insatiable appetites with the gray fish, the heroes of this story. They will need a way to outcompete these new invaders, lest they remain forever docile.

A: Develop a longer and wider tail to increase speed and outmanuvuer the predators.
B: Create a sharp horn at the tip of their heads.
C: Evolve a superior sense of smell.
D: Escape up a nearby river to a freshwater lake.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Oviraptor on November 04, 2005, 07:48:54 pm
How do you want us to vote?
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: HolsteinCow on November 04, 2005, 07:53:17 pm
You just post in something like "B" or optionally provide an explanation, like "B, because having a batmobile would be cool and it comes with pro-choice bumper stickers definately B".
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Oviraptor on November 04, 2005, 07:55:17 pm
In that case, I vote D.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: 762 on November 04, 2005, 07:58:53 pm
I vote B. The horn might kill some of the predators and serve as a warning to others that it's not such good eats.

Also, a poll couldn't hurt this topic.  ;)
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: LadyM on November 04, 2005, 08:04:44 pm
I'm going to vote for A. I also think a poll would be good for your story. You can reset it each time you want to change the directon of your story. Just don't set the time limit for the poll to expire.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: HolsteinCow on November 04, 2005, 08:12:08 pm
I was originally reluctant to do the poll thing, but I guess it will be alright. Just please try to post your reasons for voting here. There was more than one occasion in the 'original' thread where someone with a good point influenced the final decision.

And maybe I should change the rules because I'm getting the vibe I will get way more than nine votes per generation.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Oviraptor on November 04, 2005, 08:18:22 pm
Good idea. I have a feeling this game might get really busy once some of the "Sporaholics" catch wind of it.

Oh, and my reason for choosing D? I think moving to a fresh water lake, where the competition is smaller, the gray fish would have a better chance for survival.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Danzik on November 04, 2005, 08:31:32 pm
I'm going to go with B because a good offense is the best defense.
(lame tag line from random commercial)
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Leng on November 05, 2005, 03:20:46 am
a, because sometimes the best offense is to run away.  unable to catch you, the larger fish will either starve or prey upon your competition, increasing your own food supply.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Krakow Sam on November 05, 2005, 04:35:29 am
D- a new habitat will be a boost to diversity
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: HolsteinCow on November 05, 2005, 06:53:29 am
The results stand at

1 for the speed boost
3 for the offensive attack
2 for the migration

A mother comes upon her egg to see an infantile fish hatch, but this one has a sharp horn above its two eyes. The mother, lacking the power of memory,tries to devour her young daughter. But as soon as the mother attempts swallow her offspring, the daughter tries to back away. She doesn't completely evade her mother, but when the parent tried to close its mouth around the tiny gray fish, the horn stabbed her and she quickly retreated away and shortly died. Primal life is very cruel, but if a species' eventual goal is lucid thought, only natural selection will achieve this goal. She continues her life, producing offspring and finds herself able to kill the settled reef carnivores that used to feed on her kind.

Weeks later, the fully grown daughter sees a Sheevich(the invasive predators) and tries to attack with it with her horn. Her attempts to slay the beast are foiled because of the Sheevich's tough scales, and the Sheevich counterattacks with its sharp teeth, ending the poor fish's life. But some time earlier she had laid eggs, that are about to hatch at this very moment. What is the difference between her and these?


A: Make the tail longer and wider, for better swimming speed.
B: Increase the size to match the Sheevich's 3 inch long mass.
C: Give the brain more ridges, making it more effective.
D: Abandon this ecosphere and head for the less populated freshwater lake, up the river.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: WoozleWazzle on November 05, 2005, 07:09:33 am
D I don't like the look of those Sheevich's...
Quick, abandon this ecosphere and head for the less populated freshwater lake, up the river.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: HolsteinCow on November 05, 2005, 07:21:02 am
Don't forget to put your choice on the poll because that's how I'm going to be counting them.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: WoozleWazzle on November 05, 2005, 07:26:38 am
I acctually chose 'A' by accident because I was looking at the old set of multiple choice questions... Is there any way to change my poll answer answer to D?
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Oviraptor on November 05, 2005, 07:33:38 am
I acctually chose 'A' by accident because I was looking at the old set of multiple choice questions... Is there any way to change my poll answer answer to D?

Simply note that A-1 and D+1.

I voted for D because well for the same reason I voted for it last time:

Oh, and my reason for choosing D? I think moving to a fresh water lake, where the competition is smaller, the gray fish would have a better chance for survival.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: HolsteinCow on November 05, 2005, 07:39:53 am
I'll manually correct that next round. Don't worry.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: LadyM on November 05, 2005, 08:06:35 am
I'm voting for A again. Adding speed to avoid predators and maintaining the same envirnment.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Krakow Sam on November 05, 2005, 12:14:15 pm
Deeeeeeehhhhhh! You cant just keep making it stronger. Diversifyyyyyy....Man!
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: 762 on November 05, 2005, 12:58:03 pm
I vote for C, because if that fish were smarter, it wouldn't have tried to attack that other fish and wouldn't have died.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Leng on November 05, 2005, 01:25:31 pm
i vote A this time also, but not for running away.  with the increased speed, you should be able to pierce the sheevich's scales and kill it.

if we go this route, i'd like the next poll to have an option for nesting within the living body of the sheevich during pregnancy and laying your eggs to devour it from the inside.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Krakow Sam on November 05, 2005, 01:28:54 pm
Aww! that would be SO sweet! Lay the eggs! lay the eggs!
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Vivec on November 05, 2005, 01:33:57 pm
I vote D because it will make the story more exciting with a new environment.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Leng on November 05, 2005, 01:35:30 pm
DUDE!!

parasitic egg-laying!!

wtf is wrong with you?
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Krakow Sam on November 05, 2005, 01:37:13 pm
Its better than: Slightly faster

The sheevich will have to be renamed 'John Hurt fish' though
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: LadyM on November 05, 2005, 01:39:12 pm
Its better than: Slightly faster


What's wrong with slightly faster? It can go faster in order to lay parasitic eggs. ;)
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Vivec on November 05, 2005, 02:42:03 pm
Isn't parasitic eggs next?
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Leng on November 05, 2005, 02:47:00 pm
yes, but wouldn't it be better if you could ram into the body of a larger creature with protectively hard scales and THEN move on to laying your eggs in it's delicious flesh?
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Vivec on November 05, 2005, 02:48:11 pm
There should be a better camouflage option. That way you could sneak up on the Sheevich and lay your eggs in them.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: 762 on November 05, 2005, 02:55:24 pm
Yeah. Let's make the fish get progressively more like Sam Fisher. (Note: I'm not being sarcastic.)
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Leng on November 05, 2005, 02:56:49 pm
kay, here's my scenario: you evolve a faster, sleeker body which enables you to either run from the sheeviches, or ram them with more momentum to break their tough scales. you then evolve to ram your egg-laden body directly inside the sheevich without killing it. the eggs hatch within your body and eat first you, then the sheevich.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Krakow Sam on November 05, 2005, 03:07:40 pm
Sam fisher eh. So it has an eye on a stalk that can go under doors, that sort of thing?
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Leng on November 05, 2005, 03:15:10 pm
that sounds like the natural progression for a parasite.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: smjjames on November 05, 2005, 03:19:16 pm
hey Holstien, you forgot to give Jedimutant the credit as she's the one who introduced it over there on Gamefaqs and made it popular.

I'm sure its fine for you to do this game, but you shoulda given credit.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Jedimutant on November 05, 2005, 07:31:16 pm
Don't worry about it Smjjames.... While I would have liked to be credited for this, I'm not going to get seriously cheesed off because of it.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Leng on November 05, 2005, 07:54:00 pm
i'm reading the thread on gamefaqs right now.  no offense, but they seemed to get pretty messed up and ungainly when they went to land.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Jedimutant on November 05, 2005, 08:22:00 pm
Hey now.

It was not my fault they decided to give the Percusa stupid facial tentacles....
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Leng on November 05, 2005, 08:34:51 pm
not flaming or anything, though you might have made an option to simply have the tentacles folded or retracted when not in use. the real trouble was when they became fish salamander cat beavers. i just watched a show on animal planet called "world's ugliest animals". anyway, you seem to be going the right way around the 30's, with the arboreal proto-birds.

i'll update when i'm done reading.

edit: apparently you have created dragons.  nice work.  i'm on page 42.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: HolsteinCow on November 06, 2005, 06:30:22 am
The results stand at

A=3
B=2
C=1
D=4,

So we're moving over to the lake.

A large amount of these fish stayed at the lake, doomed to remain beneath the Sheevich, never to taste the light of lucid thought. We will not follow these fish.

Instead we will follow a tiny group of these fish that travel upstream. This group includes the sons and daughters of the 'heroine' mentioned last post, equipped with the dominant gene of horns. This group takes several generations to make it to the lake, their stupidity pushing their progress back a bit. Eventually some these fish evolve a better sense of identity. They form into a group and fend off attacks from their idiotic bretheren. The group then easily gets into the lake, all with head horns and in a somewhat organized group to boot.

So now they're in a freshwater lake with no competition for food. But they do have to compete with the Teshfe, whose ancient breeding grounds have been disturbed. These crawling insects have a unique way of consumption; a hibiscus attached to a long, armored 'artery' that can be fired, sucked from and then withdrawn. They use this as an advantage against the newcomers by mounting themselves onto floating plants attached to the ground via cords. Our fish currently have no defense against these long-ranged attacks. This is about to change.


A:Allow the horn to be fired like a speargun.
B:Give the fish the ability to jump and dislodge the Teshfe from their mount.
C:Create a set of sharp teeth with enzymes that when injected into that plant's cord, superheats said plant and incinerates the pad above.
D:Camoflauge the fish to a dark greenish color and eat the Teshfe's eggs stealthily by night.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: 762 on November 06, 2005, 06:45:16 am
I say D because they have a better chance of making the Teshfe extinct that way.

But how did the fish get smarter? That wasn't really an option for the last set of choices.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Leng on November 06, 2005, 06:56:40 am
yeah, i think you should keep mental and social progress very slow unless we opt for it.

now then, taking this from the perspective of the the fish's sentient dna*...

a gives us a ranged attack, yet the horn can be lost if the cord snaps.  also it puts us on an evolutionary track towards specialization without real development.

b gives away our presence to potentially more dangerous creatures.

c seems to require intelligence without causing it's growth...

d is fitting with our nocturnal habits, and increases the protein in our diet without requiring advanced jaw structure.  since we will still be able to feed on plants, this will enable us to kill or drive away our primary enemy while maintaining a plentiful food supply. 
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: HolsteinCow on November 06, 2005, 07:11:22 am
But how did the fish get smarter? That wasn't really an option for the last set of choices.

Because things like large-scale cannibalism will hinder progress towards the lake. It'll all be one cycle where the fish get ahead but then they get eaten by one of their own.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Leng on November 06, 2005, 07:20:33 am
in that case, there should be NO option for increased intelligence.  instead we take other options and they either enhance our intelligence or make us stagnant.  in this case we are moving to a new environment.  note that the movement to land dramatically increased intelligence, and the similar movement back into the water enhanced the intelligence of the cetaceans.  in this case though, the environment is basically similar.  cannibalism should be phased out by a smaller environment in which you're more likely to meet your close relatives, and more importantly, where there aren't any other fish.  HOWEVER i don't see their intelligence advancing much farther than "this is your own kind, so don't eat it" for the time being.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: smjjames on November 06, 2005, 07:35:55 am
not flaming or anything, though you might have made an option to simply have the tentacles folded or retracted when not in use. the real trouble was when they became fish salamander cat beavers. i just watched a show on animal planet called "world's ugliest animals". anyway, you seem to be going the right way around the 30's, with the arboreal proto-birds.

i'll update when i'm done reading.

edit: apparently you have created dragons. nice work. i'm on page 42.

yea, they are dragon-like, without the firebreathing and different shaped heads and barely a neck.

anyway, I agree with Leng, D goes in line with the nocturnal habits so I'll vote for D.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: 762 on November 06, 2005, 07:42:20 am
Because things like large-scale cannibalism will hinder progress towards the lake. It'll all be one cycle where the fish get ahead but then they get eaten by one of their own.

Isn't this supposed to be like Spore? If I tell my creature to move into a new lake in Spore, it's not going to automatically get a bigger brain because it thinks it should eat its own species. The only abilities that should be affected should be the ones that are choices.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Vivec on November 06, 2005, 08:23:47 am
I vote D, it is the easiest way to kill 'em to me.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Krakow Sam on November 06, 2005, 08:40:44 am
D- Stealthy hunting makes for easier parasitic egglaying ;)
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Vivec on November 06, 2005, 08:45:13 am
Yeah, you can't forget about the parasitic egg laying.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Leng on November 06, 2005, 02:55:10 pm
i think it's d.  can we get the next question now? (hopefully with something big, mean, and stupid to lay our eggs in)
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Nic on November 06, 2005, 04:14:13 pm
One more for d. seems like the more reasonable option.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Krakow Sam on November 07, 2005, 07:55:52 am
Quote
i think it's d.  can we get the next question now? (hopefully with something big, mean, and stupid to lay our eggs in
)

Like the marshmallowy nest bear
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: HolsteinCow on November 07, 2005, 03:26:45 pm
8 votes for D. I don't think I need to describe how the other 3 choices are doing.

Seeing that the Teshfe were rapidly wiping out the fish, Nature 'naturally' selected a small population of fish colored a dark green color that matched well to the color of the lake. This allows them to sneak to the Teshfe's shoreside nest and eat the numerous eggs. This increases the amount of protein in their diet while severly limiting the Teshfe's numbers. Unfortunately for the insecticicidedistic(is that even a word) voters in this thread, the Teshfe move their eggs up into the water reservoirs in the cup-shaped leaves of the trees nearby.

The Teshfe cannot harm the fish and the fish cannot harm the Teshfe now. It's time to prepare for whatever bottleneck is up next.


A:Grow to a size of 6 inches(compared to the 1 inch we have now).
B:Make the fishes' brain more effective.
C:Grant the fish a longer and thicker tail for better mobility.
D:Give the fish sharp teeth and maybe even a jaw to increase the quality of their diet(right now they're bottom feeders).
E:Give the fish afros. No evolutionary advantage but it would look cool.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: LadyM on November 07, 2005, 03:29:52 pm
D.. lets make their teeth sharper just for the fun of it. Although afro's would be interesting too.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: smjjames on November 07, 2005, 03:38:19 pm
A.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Krakow Sam on November 07, 2005, 03:38:53 pm
I think afros might have a sort of unforseen advantage, like moving to the lake increased intelligence. well since its not a real option i'm voting for better brains, suction feeding is fine for now, i think keeping them small might be good for now too.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: HolsteinCow on November 07, 2005, 04:20:55 pm
A.

You have to vote on the poll for it to be counted.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: 762 on November 07, 2005, 04:29:35 pm
B- Whenever there's no threat it's always a good idea to get a bigger brain.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: smjjames on November 07, 2005, 04:52:09 pm
A.

You have to vote on the poll for it to be counted.

oh, do you reset the poll each time you do a new voting set?
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: 762 on November 07, 2005, 04:56:53 pm
Yes he does. Also, what's your reason?
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: smjjames on November 07, 2005, 05:01:04 pm
oh, didn't realize that about the poll thing. its a cool way to monitor vote counts.

and do we have to give a reason?... ah well heres mine.

A= cause if we are bigger we can't be eaten by predators (or at least more difficult) than when they are an inch long. I'd also say that they should be a bit larger before sentience, but its still early so eh.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: smjjames on November 07, 2005, 05:03:09 pm
just wondering, is there a vote limit to determine which one wins or like what?
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Danzik on November 07, 2005, 05:03:24 pm
A.
Intimidation goes a long way in the animal world.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Leng on November 07, 2005, 05:26:55 pm
a. larger size.  this would be great, but somehow i think it would interfere with parasitic egglaying.
b. increased intelligence.  this would be my personal favorite.  HOWEVER it seems a bit implausible, as intelligence tends to grow in response to challenges, which our fish do not suffer.
c. increased mobility.  not useful now.  we have only one potential predator who can't see us, and we have a small ecosystem in any case.
d. stronger, more vicious jaw.  perfect for nipping off a bit of a larger animal, piranha-like.  this cold develop into burrowing... holstein cow, you must serve popular demand, if you know what i mean.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: HolsteinCow on November 07, 2005, 07:11:07 pm
just wondering, is there a vote limit to determine which one wins or like what?

No, I just pick it up the next day and whoever has the most votes wins.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Leng on November 07, 2005, 09:24:28 pm
it seems a little slow though.  maybe you could do it twice daily, unless you don't get enough votes.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: WoozleWazzle on November 08, 2005, 04:13:33 am
If we're planning on taking over the world I think being bigger than 1 inch could be an advantage...
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Leng on November 08, 2005, 08:14:55 am
not if you're a zerg.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: HolsteinCow on November 08, 2005, 12:04:41 pm
A=3
B=2
C=0
D=4

Some days ago an earthquake created a fork in a nearby river. The new route convienently led off of a cliff and directly into the lake. This new waterfall supplies the lake with a multitude of other freshwater fish, giving our fish a chance to use their newly developed teeth. The Teshfe have also capitalized on this new immigration as well, leading to an unexpected 'cooperation' between them and us.

The Malvich(distant cousins of the Sheevich) are too powerful to take on alone, but the Teshfe found these new creatures can be sources of blood as well, and they weaken them with parisitic blood-sucking action. While the Malvich is weakened, our fish begin to mob the Malvich, ripping off its scales and killing them with the horns. Both parties walk away with a somewhat good feast.

Of course, the fun only lasts for a few days. The forest surrounding the lake quickly becomes a marsh, attracting all sorts of new and competetive animals. It's time to make a decision.


A:Climb a small stream leading up to the waterfall and go upstream(hint: plains lie in this direction).
B:Stay in this marsh.
C:Move back into the reefs.
D:Push forward to the open ocean.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: smjjames on November 08, 2005, 12:08:44 pm
just how big is this waterfall anyway? if it gioes off a cliff it must be pretty high or something.

We could stay in the marsh, since they are still small (about an inch long), they won't have the same problems as larger fish would. new predators are likely to show up though.

Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: 762 on November 08, 2005, 12:22:05 pm
Our fish are six inches now.

I say we move toward the waterfall. It seems like the safest choice.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: smjjames on November 08, 2005, 12:26:36 pm
Our fish are six inches now.

I say we move toward the waterfall. It seems like the safest choice.

D got the most votes last round, so they didnt grow to 6 inches.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: 762 on November 08, 2005, 12:27:55 pm
Oh, I forgot to look at D :P
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Krakow Sam on November 08, 2005, 01:18:13 pm
B i'd like to see where this new relationship with the teshfe is going, maybe there could be some sybiosis eventually.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Leng on November 08, 2005, 01:25:50 pm
you mean we lay eggs in the teshfe and let the teshfe eat us?
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Krakow Sam on November 08, 2005, 02:09:39 pm
no, I mean they live on our backs and harpoon prey for us and in return we give them mobility... and lay our eggs in them...Mwuahahahahaha!
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Nic on November 08, 2005, 03:41:19 pm
Stay. I like the symbiosis.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Vivec on November 08, 2005, 05:10:49 pm
I'm voting "A" because i'm in a hurry for the land stage.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Leng on November 08, 2005, 05:53:49 pm
no reason we can't evolve to sentience in the water, or even as amphibians.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: HolsteinCow on November 09, 2005, 04:26:11 pm
A:3
B:5

As the waterfall fills the lake, the forest surrounding the lake is drowned. This kills most plants, but it probes along the lives of others; the pad plants in the former lake area grow substantially, complimenting its one cord with many, and growing a thin trunk allowing a larger amount of pads to be grown. This new marsh has attracted some new animals, including the Yoovoo, a 1 foot long amphibian, and the deadly Sheevich.

A fish is exploring the bayou when he encounters a nest of Sheevich. The Sheevich, though half the size of the fish, are more intelligent than them and have even developed a pack-like social structure. The fish rushes to eat some of the Sheevich, but he nears a tall and unaturally smooth and geometric rock the Sheevich nest is based around. As he approoaches, an image forms in his mind. A brown-furred mammal, roughly the size and shape of an elephant but with two massive tentacles portruding from its forehead. Accossiated with this image is the concept of 'MASTER' or 'ALPHA'. Unfortunately, while the fish is dazed it is torn apart and eaten by the pack of Sheevich.

The Yoovoo are a more present threat. The omnivoric creatures have located themselves in the former lake area for the abundant sugars of the pod plant. The Yoovoo also happen to see the fish's proteins as a bonus. The Teshfe, having lost their homes have either succumbed to the Sheevich's mysterious power or migrated to the equatorial jungle to the south. Although the threat of destruction is not imminent, bad things will happen if something doesn't change.


A:Add legs and move onto the pads (hint: this gives a powerful jumping attack).
B:Make the fish poisonous.
C:The Yoovoo have vulnerable parts; have the fish recognize this with increased intelligence.
D:Allow the fish to plant their eggs into the Yoovoo.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Danzik on November 09, 2005, 04:48:47 pm
A:  Evolution seems like a pretty good idea
B:  Would likely deter some predators after some initial deaths
C:  Getting smarter is never a bad thing
D:  Neither is upping our population but, it's tough to tell at what cost

This is a tough one but, i could see getting smarter really paying off in the long run so, C.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Vivec on November 09, 2005, 04:50:56 pm
PARASTIC EGG LAYING!!!! The time has come my brethren.

D! D! D!
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Leng on November 09, 2005, 04:51:46 pm
edit: overcoming initial hysteria.  we will have to evolve to face this distant threat, again taking the long view afforded by the hidden genetic intelligence.

c. increased neural intelligence has done little to free the sheevich from the control of the invaders.  we must find a way to alter our brains before blindly expanding them.  no.

b. poison.  this falls short of the mark.  it increases our lethality without contributing to our real growth.  no.

it is down to either a or d.  either will alter our environment, and thus our psychology, to a significant degree.  however, option A is flawed for two significant reasons.  it's primary changes are in the adult stage of growth, while the most vital changes must begin in the stage of formation.  secondly, it still requires us to lay our eggs on the marsh bottom, where they will potentially come under the influence of the invasive species.  keeping our eggs within adult yoovoo will tend to keep them away from the controlling stones.

the choice is option d.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: smjjames on November 09, 2005, 05:33:29 pm
As the waterfall fills the lake, the forest surrounding the lake is drowned. This kills most plants, but it probes along the lives of others; the pad plants in the former lake area grow substantially, complimenting its one cord with many, and growing a thin trunk allowing a larger amount of pads to be grown. This new marsh has attracted some new animals, including the Yoovoo, a 1 foot long amphibian, and the deadly Sheevich.

A fish is exploring the bayou when he encounters a nest of Sheevich. The Sheevich, though half the size of the fish, are more intelligent than them and have even developed a pack-like social structure. The fish rushes to eat some of the Sheevich, but he nears a tall and unaturally smooth and geometric rock the Sheevich nest is based around. As he approoaches, an image forms in his mind. A brown-furred mammal, roughly the size and shape of an elephant but with two massive tentacles portruding from its forehead. Accossiated with this image is the concept of 'MASTER' or 'ALPHA'. Unfortunately, while the fish is dazed it is torn apart and eaten by the pack of Sheevich.

The Yoovoo are a more present threat. The omnivoric creatures have located themselves in the former lake area for the abundant sugars of the pod plant. The Yoovoo also happen to see the fish's proteins as a bonus. The Teshfe, having lost their homes have either succumbed to the Sheevich's mysterious power or migrated to the equatorial jungle to the south. Although the threat of destruction is not imminent, bad things will happen if something doesn't change.

hold on a minute here, I'm confused, a bit earlier you said they stayed in a lake or something with these sheeviich and they went to another lake, bleh, the story parts involving the sheevitch don't quite connect. I was also confused in that which was who, so we need to get a name for these guys soon, because it can get confusing with multiple players.

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A fish is exploring the bayou when he encounters a nest of Sheevich. The Sheevich, though half the size of the fish, are more intelligent than them and have even developed a pack-like social structure. The fish rushes to eat some of the Sheevich, but he nears a tall and unaturally smooth and geometric rock the Sheevich nest is based around. As he approoaches, an image forms in his mind. A brown-furred mammal, roughly the size and shape of an elephant but with two massive tentacles portruding from its forehead. Accossiated with this image is the concept of 'MASTER' or 'ALPHA'. Unfortunately, while the fish is dazed it is torn apart and eaten by the pack of Sheevich.

that sounds like a primitive form of telepathy or some hallucogenic pheromone.

also, since when did they develop that sort of psychic power (although primitive)? and what do they look like? you didn't give a good description earlier.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: HolsteinCow on November 09, 2005, 05:56:22 pm
that sounds like a primitive form of telepathy or some hallucogenic pheromone.

also, since when did they develop that sort of psychic power (although primitive)? and what do they look like? you didn't give a good description earlier.
The Sheevich have no psychic, hallucogenic or magical powers.

Note that the rock is unusually smooth and geometric.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: smjjames on November 09, 2005, 06:01:11 pm
oh I see, its a monolith!

too bad the sheevitch touched the monolith and advanced first lol

I don't entirely get the mutated wooly mammoth image, is that supposed to be a vision of the race that put the monolith there?

I voted D btw.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: HolsteinCow on November 09, 2005, 06:08:22 pm
oh I see, its a monolith!

too bad the sheevitch touched the monolith and advanced first lol

I don't entirely get the mutated wooly mammoth image, is that supposed to be a vision of the race that put the monolith there?

I voted D btw.

The Sheevich did advance in intelligence, but at a grave cost; did you check exactly what was printed in the fish's mind? I'm giving away too much information, the juicy stuff needs to last for at least a while. ;)

hold on a minute here, I'm confused, a bit earlier you said they stayed in a lake or something with these sheeviich and they went to another lake, bleh, the story parts involving the sheevitch don't quite connect. I was also confused in that which was who, so we need to get a name for these guys soon, because it can get confusing with multiple players.

The Malvich went to the river, got bigger, and then came to the swamp. The Sheevich just came directly from the reef.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: smjjames on November 09, 2005, 06:12:27 pm
so the sheevich are going to evolve into mutant elephant things and be the master of whatever the fish evolve into? (we need a name for the species we are following).
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: HolsteinCow on November 09, 2005, 06:18:17 pm
so the sheevich are going to evolve into mutant elephant things and be the master of whatever the fish evolve into? (we need a name for the species we are following).

I told you enough about the aliens already. ;)

So I guess we need a name for our six-foot long, dark green, horn-headed, teeth-baring fish.

I'll hold it JediMutant style. People give suggestions for names, I choose 4 I like and then people get to vote for the best one. Start posting suggestions, I'll pick out the four when I get enough.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Leng on November 09, 2005, 06:37:12 pm
the part i was confused about was that our fish are supposed to now be bigger than the sheevich, even though we chose better jaws in the last one.

in any case..

decepticons!!

no no no, how about...

"the Inceptus", because it's suggestive of our newest form of reproduction...


and btw, this is what the one chromisome said to the other chromisome:

"the big tentacled creatures are an advanced race that created strange devices to inculcate a strange concept, "obediance" into more primitive creatures.  at the same time, it advances their minds and bodies, setting them towards outcompeting uncontrolled species.  in this manner the most competitive species will remain the most firmly controlled.  to counter this threat, we must not only become more advanced and competitive, but must shield our neurological and genetic brains from the corrupting influence of dominance concepts."
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: smjjames on November 09, 2005, 06:51:29 pm
what book is that from Leng? I know its not from the 2001 odessy series even though the same monolith was there.

oh yea, species name....

Naraq

Paracidu (a play on of parasite)

Derak
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Leng on November 09, 2005, 07:01:45 pm
it's what holstein cow is doing.  read his story again.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Vivec on November 09, 2005, 07:45:28 pm
Korgiks

Kor-jiks
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Leng on November 09, 2005, 10:32:56 pm
in an interesting coincidence, planetspore has produced the ancestors of the controlling race:

http://planetspore.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=36&start=0

the mammoth creature is an evolved Gorif, itself controlled by an insect parasite.

so do you want to fight the Bugs for conquest of the galaxy?
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: smjjames on November 09, 2005, 11:07:39 pm
look at the description: Garif. (GARE-if.) Garif are 4 tons of stupid, grazing herd mammal, that have no natural predator due to their size. Their heads are roughly shaped like a Triceratops, but they have six horns arranged around their head, instead of three like a triceratops. Three of those horns are not really horns, but eye stalks, which are fixed and cannot move.

the description is different from elephant looking and they don't have two trunks.
(edited this after I saw your post in planetspore)

although if the Garif do somehow evolve into what is described further up (the sentient elephant thing with two trunks), it would be an interesting prospect.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Krakow Sam on November 10, 2005, 01:34:41 am
I vote D... however we dont want our race to be too much like the planetspore bugs, lets stick to using things as incubators and not actually exerting control.

Names: Icthian (alludes to fish and could be used as a civilisation name once they achieve sentience)
Or how about Xenopike. I guess if the fish is long and thin that would be appropriate (since nobody has said). If it isnt long and thin then theres always Xenocarp ;)
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Legodragonxp on November 10, 2005, 08:42:14 am
This is an interesting thread. I vote D.
-Lego
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Leng on November 10, 2005, 09:21:38 am
actually smj, i might have been thinking of the elephant things you ate the dung of.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Krakow Sam on November 10, 2005, 09:55:10 am
could we maybe make suggestions for future evolutions/cultural decisions (later, obviously) like we did with parasitic egglaying.
For example, our species is confined to one swamp, if its going to be a world beater it needs to spread out a bit, maybe figure out a way of crawling to another swamp (like eels or lungfish) or making sure its eggs adhere to the legs of birds (many fish species reach new habitats this way).

Since this thread is about as far advanced as the planet spore one it would be interesting (in several months time) to play out a sort of joint scenario (war or peace) with similar votes taking place in both threads. ie at around the same time- "your exploration vessel has encountered an alien craft they appear to be fish/insects their ships look  organic and brimming with weapons/sleek and fast
they are hailing do you: A open fire! B Run Away! C open communications and warn them to retreat D open communications and propose friendly relations." If this thread voted to establish an alliance and the other thread did too then thats fine. If both threads order an attack then maybe both ships will be destroyed. if one proposes alliance and the other attacks then the attacker will be the victor and an interstellar war scenario may develop
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Leng on November 10, 2005, 10:05:39 am
well the bugs are sending probes out to conquer the galaxy when we're not even sentient yet, so we would definitely have to come from behind.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: smjjames on November 10, 2005, 10:08:47 am
actually smj, i might have been thinking of the elephant things you ate the dung of.

probably was, although I think they were supposed to have gone extinct, or at least close to extinction.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Krakow Sam on November 10, 2005, 11:11:26 am
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well the bugs are sending probes out to conquer the galaxy when we're not even sentient yet, so we would definitely have to come from behind.

the bugs have just reached hive exsistence and are laying their eggs under the skin of grazers. read the thing through properly
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Leng on November 10, 2005, 11:21:03 am
obviously these are two different time periods.  the idea is that they are controlling the mammoth creatures that sent the probe/monolith to control the sheevich.  the current Bugs would be the distant ancestors of the enemy we are now facing.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Krakow Sam on November 10, 2005, 11:39:05 am
so by the time were ready for space travel, so will they (in both games)
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Leng on November 10, 2005, 11:41:14 am
yes, but in our timeline, they are already spacefaring.  they're going to have an empire by the time we're ready to go.  then again, they might not go with parasitic control, so it could just be a straight competition like you said.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Jedimutant on November 10, 2005, 11:47:40 am
yes, but in our timeline, they are already spacefaring. they're going to have an empire by the time we're ready to go. then again, they might not go with parasitic control, so it could just be a straight competition like you said.

So all you gotta do is finish evolving, get a UFO, conquer a few minor planets, I'll make up a reaon why the Bug's empire temporarily crumbled, then we have a war.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: HolsteinCow on November 10, 2005, 12:05:25 pm
the mammoth creature is an evolved Gorif, itself controlled by an insect parasite.

This statement is completely false.

To get to a point like that, Jedimutant would have do some crazy things that would potentially limit the freedom she has.

Also, the things I said about the heroes being half a foot long were a mistake.They're still an inch long, but that accident hasn't really altered anything so we'll just continue on.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: smjjames on November 10, 2005, 12:15:04 pm
yea thats true I guess. it just happened to be a coincidence or some sort of accident in evolution that those sentient things looked like something in a different story.

now thats all been said and done, lets move on :)

doesn't mean the two can't have a war later on though.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: HolsteinCow on November 10, 2005, 12:37:46 pm
A:1
B:1
C:1
D:5

Respoding to this new Yoovoo threat, a behavioral gene in a fish has developed. This allows her to plant eggs in a Yoovoo for food and warmth. While the other offspring must brave the cold, murky waters with only the contents of their egg to consume, the parasitic young get warm meat and an excess of protein, strengthening themselves up to the hulking mass of 4 inches(when they become adults of course). This brings the Yoovoo's dominance to a screeching halt.

Unfortunately, this causes the Sheevich to wander out of their domain. The corruption of the monolith has turned them into brutally efficient hunters. There is simply no way to outcompete the Sheevich at this point. The only option to become the dominant creature on this planet is to pack up and seek a final biome. There are no more migrations after this(unless they develop wings or legs or something), and to reinforce this I will provide the fish
(name still pending, I need more) with an extra bonus, depending on their new home. Choose wisely.

A:North, to the woodlands.(warm blood)
B:West, to the plains.(legs and lungs)
C:South, to the ocean.(a powerful static electricity attack)
D:East, to the rainforest.(size to nine inches and sharper teeth)
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: smjjames on November 10, 2005, 12:50:29 pm
I'd say get out of the water, but it seems like wherever we go, the sheevich arrive sooner or later.

also, if we are going to the woodlands, wouldn't we also develop legs and lungs there? unless they are going to be in some mountain lakr or something.

D maybe. the poll thing needs to be reset though.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Leng on November 10, 2005, 12:52:12 pm
woodlands.  but mainly for the warm blood.  the plains are out because i want to keep the creature aquatic or amphibious.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Leng on November 10, 2005, 12:54:46 pm
re: woodlands. likely it would be a lake or something. notice holstein only said we'd stay in that biome, not that we'd always occupy a certain place in that biome. we could develop legs in the woodlands or rainforest.

re: story linking.  i wasn't making a statement of fact.  i was saying this is an interesting coincidence that we could capitalize on.  calling the mammoth creature an evolved gorif is just a plausible scenario to link the two stories.  if the Bugs don't go the way of creature control we could have a standard competition, or maybe even team up against the mammoths.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: 762 on November 10, 2005, 12:55:31 pm
I was gonna say C, but now I say B because we should get on land soon. Also, the plains are a pretty safe place compared to the jungle. And we can't afford to be warm-blooded at our current stage of hunting.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: LadyM on November 10, 2005, 01:03:26 pm
did you reset the votes?
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: smjjames on November 10, 2005, 01:06:51 pm
re: story linking. i wasn't making a statement of fact. i was saying this is an interesting coincidence that we could capitalize on. calling the mammoth creature an evolved gorif is just a plausible scenario to link the two stories. if the Bugs don't go the way of creature control we could have a standard competition, or maybe even team up against the mammoths.

Well since they are already advanced enough at this point for the UFO (the 'mammoths') at this era while every other race are still evolving or are in the stone age, so they'd be EXTREMELY advanced or more likely dead and all there is left are ruins by the time both the bugs, the fish, and probably every other race with a story for em, gets to interstellar flight..
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Krakow Sam on November 10, 2005, 01:08:17 pm
We dont need land, why cant we just develop sentience underwater? I'm going for C. Static electricity is too good to pass up: once the fishies achieve sentience theyll have an instantly boosted desire to investigate electricity and it will allow them to purify metals without the need for fire. theyll be accelarated neatly up the road to technological superiority. Being warmblooded isnt important in the stable climate of the ocean and while limbs are important for advancement they can emerge later.
Back to the main point of my argument: what would be cooler than a self propelled arc welder? also: if the fish capitalise even more on their electric abilities they could have an advanced society without the need for fossil fuels or nuclear power- they could power their spaceships just by being in them, hell after interstellar stage they could abandon their bodies and become beings of pure electrical energy. Anyone swayed by my arguments? ;)
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Leng on November 10, 2005, 01:08:45 pm
about the possible limitations of jedimutant's story. while i was coming up with this idea, i realized it might force a certain chain of events. at the same time, i knew there were many, many ways for the bugs to evolve that could equally well lead to control via mammoth. jedimutant was already considering domesticating the large mammals that the bugs feed upon. in any case, the only requirement would be a way to control the larger animals directly. the mammoths would only be one form used as a quasi-religious icon for various species.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Leng on November 10, 2005, 01:11:10 pm
Well since they are already advanced enough at this point for the UFO (the 'mammoths') at this era while every other race are still evolving or are in the stone age, so they'd be EXTREMELY advanced or more likely dead and all there is left are ruins by the time both the bugs, the fish, and probably every other race with a story for em, gets to interstellar flight..

they seem rather cthonic actually.  to fit with the mythos they would be extremely powerful, yet very slow in development, and with periodic, very long stretches of hibernation.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Krakow Sam on November 10, 2005, 01:13:13 pm
what is this? Lovecraft, for the BBS?

Electrofish! Electrofish!
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: smjjames on November 10, 2005, 01:13:56 pm
We'll have to see how the stories go first:)

That argument there seems pretty good and that should be a cool thing Krakow Sam. so I'll change my vote to c

and what do you mean by cthonic?
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Leng on November 10, 2005, 01:15:40 pm
http://www.dagonbytes.com/thelibrary/lovecraft/

i mean it's very similar to the creatures in these stories.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: HolsteinCow on November 10, 2005, 01:35:25 pm
did you reset the votes?

Thanks for the reminder.

Everyone revote.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Leng on November 10, 2005, 01:51:25 pm
take one from a and put it in c.  i changed my mind just after the reset.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Krakow Sam on November 10, 2005, 03:00:37 pm
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Just please try to post your reasons for voting here. There was more than one occasion in the 'original' thread where someone with a good point influenced the final decision.

Yay!
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Oviraptor on November 10, 2005, 03:20:25 pm
We dont need land, why cant we just develop sentience underwater? I'm going for C. Static electricity is too good to pass up: once the fishies achieve sentience theyll have an instantly boosted desire to investigate electricity and it will allow them to purify metals without the need for fire. theyll be accelarated neatly up the road to technological superiority. Being warmblooded isnt important in the stable climate of the ocean and while limbs are important for advancement they can emerge later.
Back to the main point of my argument: what would be cooler than a self propelled arc welder? also: if the fish capitalise even more on their electric abilities they could have an advanced society without the need for fossil fuels or nuclear power- they could power their spaceships just by being in them, hell after interstellar stage they could abandon their bodies and become beings of pure electrical energy. Anyone swayed by my arguments? ;)

I actually created a creature that uses electricity in the same way! It used it shock to hunt on land, similar to a defibrillator. C
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: HolsteinCow on November 10, 2005, 03:39:05 pm
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Just please try to post your reasons for voting here. There was more than one occasion in the 'original' thread where someone with a good point influenced the final decision.

Yay!

It's not a solid rule or anything, it's just a guideline. I just don't want people spamming up the thread with one letter posts.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Vivec on November 10, 2005, 06:54:58 pm
We dont need land, why cant we just develop sentience underwater? I'm going for C. Static electricity is too good to pass up: once the fishies achieve sentience theyll have an instantly boosted desire to investigate electricity and it will allow them to purify metals without the need for fire. theyll be accelarated neatly up the road to technological superiority. Being warmblooded isnt important in the stable climate of the ocean and while limbs are important for advancement they can emerge later.
Back to the main point of my argument: what would be cooler than a self propelled arc welder? also: if the fish capitalise even more on their electric abilities they could have an advanced society without the need for fossil fuels or nuclear power- they could power their spaceships just by being in them, hell after interstellar stage they could abandon their bodies and become beings of pure electrical energy. Anyone swayed by my arguments? ;)

I actually created a creature that uses electricity in the same way! It used it shock to hunt on land, similar to a defibrillator. C

How/where?
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Oviraptor on November 10, 2005, 07:02:38 pm
We dont need land, why cant we just develop sentience underwater? I'm going for C. Static electricity is too good to pass up: once the fishies achieve sentience theyll have an instantly boosted desire to investigate electricity and it will allow them to purify metals without the need for fire. theyll be accelarated neatly up the road to technological superiority. Being warmblooded isnt important in the stable climate of the ocean and while limbs are important for advancement they can emerge later.
Back to the main point of my argument: what would be cooler than a self propelled arc welder? also: if the fish capitalise even more on their electric abilities they could have an advanced society without the need for fossil fuels or nuclear power- they could power their spaceships just by being in them, hell after interstellar stage they could abandon their bodies and become beings of pure electrical energy. Anyone swayed by my arguments? ;)

I actually created a creature that uses electricity in the same way! It used it shock to hunt on land, similar to a defibrillator. C

How/where?

In my head, on paper. (I drew it after I came up with the idea).
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Vivec on November 10, 2005, 08:41:19 pm
I vote D, because static shock seems to unreal to me.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Oviraptor on November 10, 2005, 09:16:18 pm
I vote D, because static shock seems to unreal to me.

What about electric eels? Or electric rays? There are definitely animals that can do this. It is actually pretty cool. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_eel
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Krakow Sam on November 11, 2005, 12:44:00 am
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I vote D, because static shock seems to unreal to me.


Its less unreal than developing a bony jaw so quickly or suddenly coming up with parasitic egglaying
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Leng on November 11, 2005, 12:56:23 am
holstein is obviously truncating a long, long process of evolution into discrete steps.  but i could imagine an electric creature separating metal.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Krakow Sam on November 11, 2005, 01:22:36 am
yeah I sort of figured, i dont see whats wrong with unreal though. The planet spore board has insects with iron exoskeletons electricity at least has precedent in nature for those who require it.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Leng on November 11, 2005, 01:46:57 am
w have teeth made of calcium.  it's conceivable we could use iron as a solid formation within our bodies.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Krakow Sam on November 11, 2005, 02:40:35 am
Ah! we have teeth made of calcium compounds, if our teeth were pure calcium they would fizz violently and catch fire from our own saliva
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Leng on November 11, 2005, 02:56:08 am
well the bug shells are ten percent chitin.  so there.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Vivec on November 11, 2005, 11:23:13 am
Chitin is actually a real substance? I thought it was only in Morrowind.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Leng on November 11, 2005, 11:25:53 am
it's a kind of protein.  it's similar to what makes up hair.  i would presume the chitin forms tiny fibers within the iron to reinforce it.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Krakow Sam on November 11, 2005, 02:22:28 pm
Chitin makes up the structure of arthropods and most fungi. Yeah, i'd imagine a chitinous shell would have little bits of iron in it as a sort of reinforcement.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: HolsteinCow on November 11, 2005, 05:34:52 pm
A:1
B:1
C:6
D:1

The Fish are driven out of the marshlands by the Sheevich. They are forced south, to their first home, the reef. The presentient Fish believe the relitively weak Reef Sheevich are the ones that were chasing them and this drives them into the open ocean. The dominant species in this biome is the Gurd, a massive six-foot shark-like organism that can shoot acid from sacs near its eyes. The acid comes out in an expanding cone of death, incapaciting everything inside the 1-foot long vortex.

The Fish have adapted to a secondary role in the ecosystem, horning lesser creatures to death and eating some while egging others. The Gurd respond by eating the floating egg colonies, limiting the Fish's population. But it turns out the Teshfe have migrated here as well. They used to live a lowly life, living on the dead bodies that occasionally floated up from the depths and milking them for all their worth, but the arrival of the Fish resulted in a massive increase in full, meaty corpses coming up to the surface. This was a boon for the Teshfe and it greatly increased their population. In 'return', the hormones that were remainders of a Teshfe feeding manifested itself in the fish.

The Teshfe's proboscis is launched with static electricity and pulled back in with special muscles. The proboscis can only fire when the plates in the Teshfe's head are 'charged up'(for lack of a better word) and it is important to keep it as immobile as possible. The plates can generate up to 65 volts of energy. The newly born fish are mutated with this hormone(don't ask how it spoils all the fun) and develop plates near in in their tail. The tail itself is longer and thicker because of this but also less hydrodynamic, giving a slight defecit in speed. However, this disadvantage is not bad enough to stop the Fish from being the dominant species. With a new way to disperse 200 volts of electricity in the area around it, the Fish quickly dominate the biome. With a secure grip on the fate of this region, the Fish are advanced enough to develop a more complicated social system.


Nobody is submitting any more names so I'll just remove 1 from the five I got and I'll let you vote on them.

A:Inceptus
B:Paracidu
C:Naraq
D:Korgik

And for the social system, vote on two of the social systems. Also this one doesn't use the poll, the name one does. And I'm shamelessly ripping this off of JediMutant because I'm too lazy and it's too late to develop my own. So all credit goes to her.
And remember, VOTE FOR TWO, VOTE FOR TWO, VOTE FOR TWO not just one BUT TWO. I'll give you two days to decide this because it's so important.


A: Pack. One or more dominant breeding pairs oversee everything. The dominant pair is the healthiest, strongest and smartest, and they are the only ones allowed to breed, any young that are born from a non-dominant pair are killed.

B: Colony. 1-5 established breeding queen(s). The breeding queen oversee everything and is the only one allowed to breed, all others serve the queen.

C: Herd. 6-200 breeding pairs & young stay together purely for saftey in numbers. No real leader, but strong family ties. Each breeding pair stays together for life.

D: Solitary. A male & female pair comes together for the sole purpose of mating, then the female abandones her children and will probably never see the male or her children ever again.

E: Monogamy.A male & female couple stays together for life and raises young.

F: Polarized sex-based groups. A group of 7-30 females stay together, raise the young and only meet with male groups during mating season. The females are led by the oldest female. Strong female-female family ties, and strong male-male family ties, but male-female ties are almost non-existent.

G: Pride. 5-20 related adult females live together, lead by 1-4 usually related males. The males leave only when they are fought off by other groups of males. (Like lions or horses.) Strong female-female family ties, and strong male-male family ties, but female-male family ties are non existent.

H: UN Monogamy(for lack of a better term :)). Make them like most songbirds. The male and female temprarily live together to raise the young, but part ways when the young are grown.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: smjjames on November 11, 2005, 05:45:54 pm
C and G for the social system, I already voted B for the name on the poll.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Leng on November 11, 2005, 06:03:33 pm
c and f for society.

a for name.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Jedimutant on November 11, 2005, 06:14:57 pm
D for name.

F, G for society.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: 762 on November 11, 2005, 06:42:07 pm
C for name.

A and F for society.

Also, add more options to the poll so that we can vote there.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: HolsteinCow on November 11, 2005, 08:20:40 pm
You have to vote for the name on the poll.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Vivec on November 11, 2005, 09:47:19 pm
Can I put two votes for "E" on the social structure?
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Krakow Sam on November 12, 2005, 02:06:55 am
C and G for society, but I'm pretty sure you got more than five names, or is that just the five that you chose?
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: HolsteinCow on November 12, 2005, 05:54:49 am
Can I put two votes for "E" on the social structure?

No.

C and G for society, but I'm pretty sure you got more than five names, or is that just the five that you chose?

I got only five names. And I had to choose four.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Oviraptor on November 12, 2005, 07:03:55 am
C and E for society.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: LadyM on November 12, 2005, 07:10:05 am
C and D
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Vivec on November 12, 2005, 10:35:21 am
Allright then, C and E.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Jedimutant on November 12, 2005, 11:54:26 am
D for name.

F & G for society.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: WoozleWazzle on November 13, 2005, 09:32:15 pm
C and E for society.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: HolsteinCow on November 14, 2005, 06:33:45 pm
I'm a bit off-schedule for this update, but whatever.

The name contest was divided between the Inceptus and the Naraq, so I just went ahead with the Inceptus.

A:1
B:0
C:7
D:1
E:3
F:4
G:4
H:0

The Inceptus have recently developed a set of instincts that allows them to congregate in schools of up to 500 Incepti, rather then the solitary hunting and temporary parties they have stuck with so far. These new instincts also change the Inceptus to become monogamous. This will nullify worthless deaths over mates that would have been prevalent in other societies, but on the other hand this makes them genetically spoiled and they will evolve at a very slow rate. This is a serious problem and some thinning of the herds(or schools in this case) will be necessary.

A:Become cannibals(pretty good means of natural selection but too much like the Percusa).
B:Lower the amount of eggs produced from 50 to 5(healthier and bigger Inceptus but small schools).
C:Encourage male vs male competition(good for the Inceptus' gene pool, but think of the future).
D:Encourage school vs school fights(WAR).
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: smjjames on November 14, 2005, 06:41:17 pm
C

its a standard for sexual creatures, from rhinocerous beetles to lions, to humans.

you still need to reset the poll though.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: LadyM on November 14, 2005, 06:59:02 pm
psssttt.. reset the poll  ;)
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: HolsteinCow on November 14, 2005, 07:32:31 pm
kk reset
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Vivec on November 14, 2005, 08:01:09 pm
C, as long as the competion isn't too heavy.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Krakow Sam on November 15, 2005, 12:18:46 am
I'm going for B, i would rather have a peaceful enligtened species for the time being.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Leng on November 15, 2005, 10:43:18 am
none of the options is particularly appealing actually.  what i would have liked is to just take monogamy out of the equation so their genes would be better spliced.

no vote.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Krakow Sam on November 15, 2005, 10:53:11 am
The planet spore bugs are now being controlled by their 'brain bugs' electrically. Once both boards are spacefaring its going to make for some pretty cool encounters. Ha Ha! Signal overload, bugboy! :P


See below: Signal overload Radioboy!!! An electrofish ship wouldnt even need close range ship to ship weapons, theyd just give the ship such a massive negative charge that it arcs through space and strikes the enemy ship, incapacitating it, then they can board the ship in mech suits Orz style. Hurry up and get to civ stage!!! ;)
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: smjjames on November 15, 2005, 10:56:53 am
I think its more like a form of radio, but in space they are going to have to use something for ship to ship or ship to planet communications anyway.

edit: its actually the communication bugs that are doing it, but yea the brain bugs would be 'speaking' through the communication bugs.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: 762 on November 15, 2005, 01:48:20 pm
D- it wouldn't be quite as effective as C, but in the future the males will fight as one against a common enemy instead of just randomly beating the crap out of their neighbor. It gives the fish a better purpose in the future than to just beat up the ugly fish. This is how the fish will later become cooperative with one another (at least within their own schools) and will be able to develop technology and philosophy faster.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Samog on November 15, 2005, 01:50:31 pm
I would choose C, but the added text makes it seem like that would turn them into fish-Nazis.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Krakow Sam on November 15, 2005, 02:08:45 pm
http://citypaper.net/articles/040496/article028.shtml :D

Hmmm, competition is good for diversity, if you want peace prepare for war

-1 from B +1 to C


Edit: when are we getting another update?
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: HolsteinCow on November 16, 2005, 05:46:08 pm
B:3
C:4
D:2

The male Inceptus begin to fight for their line. The strongest males quickly take over the 'attractive' females from their weaker suitors, and a hierarchy is formed, with tons of fights for the females at the bottom of the chain and the epic duel for supremacy that occasionally happens at the top. The goal is not to kill the enemy but merely make them submit, but the Inceptus are prideful from ruling a portion of the oceans for so long. The prideful ones usually die in fights, should they lose. The more humble Inceptus flee, and with the regenerative ability of their electric charge plus the painful but beneficial properties of the salty sea, they eventually fight again and earn their place in the pack's hierarchy. Slowly, the pride trait is weeded out of the Inceptus' genes.

So far, the Inceptus are... plain... in terms of senses. They should specialize if they want to go any further.


A:Sight.
B:Hearing.
C:Touch(keep in mind that this is their specialty so it's going to be pretty powerful if picked).
D:Smell/Taste.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Oviraptor on November 16, 2005, 06:11:10 pm
C. Touch is actually a very good sense to have for a creature that lives in the water.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: smjjames on November 16, 2005, 06:15:03 pm
yea, C sounds good. It'd actually be like what all fish have, lateral lines which sense pressure, unless these guys already have em. so it could be like an augumentation of that or something.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Leng on November 16, 2005, 07:49:56 pm
nice touch making the constant fighting erase their pride.  it seemed accurate.  for now i'm going to rest my hopes for an effective social system in my own creations, the danglerfish.

i would vote for a, but a touch sense is a lot more interesting
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Krakow Sam on November 17, 2005, 12:34:24 am
yeah, touch. I assume that includes lateral line style 'feeling' of the water.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: HolsteinCow on November 17, 2005, 03:28:32 pm
And now I'm actually going to follow my schedule for once.

C:5

One Incepti has a trait that boosts the efficiency of his nerves. With this, he climbs up the herd's chain of pain until he has a showdown with the 'champion'. He wins this by outsensing the enemy and he lives a long, happy life with the best female in the school. His children come to join him at the top and before long, the whole school has superior touch perception. A combination of interbreeding and the school's outcasts spreading the trait around makes the gene prevalent among the entire species.

Some sal****er Yoovoo have recently arrived. Just one more physiological change and we'll continue the direct path to sentience.


A:Bigger Inceptus.
B:Acid teeth.
C:High-pitched piercing noise weapon(this one has a real-life inspiration).
D:A spinning drill-like horn.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: smjjames on November 17, 2005, 03:36:29 pm
we definetly should get bigger

I have NO idea how it would be biologically possible to make a spinning drill horn, it'd make more sense if it vibrated really fast.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Evil1 on November 17, 2005, 03:41:31 pm
i think the drill horn sounds realistic as a good weapon
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: smjjames on November 17, 2005, 03:43:41 pm
it does sound realistic, I'm just skeptical about the spinning part as bieng biologically possible, but vibrating it is biologically possible.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: TheShark on November 17, 2005, 03:47:33 pm
I voted for bigger. Although Acid Teeth does sound great.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Leng on November 17, 2005, 03:49:07 pm
we already have static shock and don't need another weapon.  let's just get bigger.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Evil1 on November 17, 2005, 04:03:34 pm
honestly i got lost when i tryed reading the other pages lol
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Leng on November 17, 2005, 04:07:17 pm
yeah, i mainly just stick to this one and the two that jedimutant is running.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: HolsteinCow on November 17, 2005, 06:46:34 pm
I didn't want biologically feasible weapons, I wanted badass weapons.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: 762 on November 17, 2005, 06:55:39 pm
I vote for bigger, but I vote against this being the last physiological step. We should go for it for a little bit longer, if not to just make them look cooler. If this is a text-adventure Spore, biological impossibilities are feasible. Also, if this were Spore, we could keep forming past funtion into the realm of pure bad-ass looks.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Krakow Sam on November 18, 2005, 12:44:20 am
I vote we get bigger too, we dont need another 'interesting' weapon, it would be useless compared with the potential of electic powers.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: rapter200 on November 18, 2005, 02:43:58 pm
Hey guys nice thing you have going here now their are many chapter of this spore game, of course you had to stay in the  ocean and you should check out the Gamespot chapter here is the link http://www.gamespot.com/pages/unions/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=23917617&union_id=2627&page=0
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: smjjames on November 18, 2005, 02:53:04 pm
you may have to create a gamespot account (you can get one for free, don't need to go pro) and then join the spore union first (which is also free) to view that board however.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Vivec on November 18, 2005, 03:12:39 pm
Bigger, because as cool as a drill would be, it would be useless if we become beings of pure energy.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: smjjames on November 18, 2005, 03:14:39 pm
Bigger, because as cool as a drill would be, it would be useless if we become beings of pure energy.

true :)
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Krakow Sam on November 18, 2005, 03:30:48 pm
then again, theyd all be irrelevant to beings of pure energy :)
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Leng on November 18, 2005, 03:49:33 pm
but theoritically, big beings should become big beingsof light.  and acid-spitting beings should become acid of light-spitting beings of light.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: HolsteinCow on November 18, 2005, 04:37:19 pm
The Inceptus have been making a hobby of sending the Yoovoo up to the surface(killing them, for those of you with Asperger's). These salt-amphibians are loaded with nutrients, thus making healthy and strong Inceptus from straight out of the corpse. And, as usual, the Teshfe inject hormones into the corpses causing the Inceptus within to have static capability(this is a stunning attack, it doesn't allow us to shoot bolts of lightning). The Incepti that eat their way out of the corpse eventually grow to the staggering size of nine inches(!!!). This allows them to own their environment to an even greater degree. Maybe just ONE more change to make this species even more strange and then we continue.

A:Develop wings.
B:Allow the Inceptus to give mammal-style birth(this comes with the teshfe growth hormone for FREE).
C:More variety for male v male ritual combat: either combat or prettyboy songbird-style singing.
D:Change teeth element from calcium to more compressed calcium(like diamonds but minus 1,000,000 years of compression).
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: smjjames on November 18, 2005, 04:49:52 pm
um, since when did the Yoovoo get to the reefs? I thought they were back in the marshlands.

B, we may want to decrease our dependency on putting eggs into things and forcing them up to the surface so that the teshfe can give them thier power. I know its a kind of symbyosis, but we don't want to have this kind of dependency when we get to sentience.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Vivec on November 18, 2005, 05:12:49 pm
If I choose wings, will they have two environments? Like combination wing/fins? Because that is the only way I want wings.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: HolsteinCow on November 18, 2005, 05:18:51 pm
If I choose wings, will they have two environments? Like combination wing/fins? Because that is the only way I want wings.

Yes. This is also the way I will do my first spore creature.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Vivec on November 18, 2005, 05:27:20 pm
All right, wings it is.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: 762 on November 18, 2005, 06:07:31 pm
I vote B because this is the LAST chance we have to break our dependence before we get sentience.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Vivec on November 18, 2005, 06:14:43 pm
I vote B because this is the LAST chance we have to break our dependence before we get sentience.

Dependence on what?
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Leng on November 18, 2005, 07:03:38 pm
B.  but i want it to be the females laying parasitic eggs in the males  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Jedimutant on November 18, 2005, 09:43:06 pm
B. but i want it to be the females laying parasitic eggs in the males ;D ;D ;D

B me too!
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Vivec on November 18, 2005, 09:55:23 pm
B. but i want it to be the females laying parasitic eggs in the males ;D ;D ;D

B me too!

yeah, but no more parasitic egg  laying at all with this
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Krakow Sam on November 19, 2005, 02:26:55 am
B- so leng wants electric seahorses, ummm. This is basically a male dominated herd, implanting the eggs into the males and killing them would destabalise the society in quite a bizzare way, I hope the males survive the process.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: smjjames on November 19, 2005, 02:32:48 am
I was also thinking of seahorses with that. it doesnt mean that the males have to be killed in the process. its entirely up to holsteincow as to how it will go.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Leng on November 19, 2005, 02:35:01 am
pregnancy is essentially parasitic.  my original idea was the mother would burrow into the father, and the eggs would hatch inside of her, then eat through her body, then the father's.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: 762 on November 19, 2005, 07:39:57 am
I vote B because this is the LAST chance we have to break our dependence before we get sentience.

Dependence on what?

Dependence on other animals to incubate the eggs.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Leng on November 19, 2005, 02:09:33 pm
which is why we should use our own bodies.  i know simple pregnancy would make more sense... but having your children eat through your own body is so much cooler ;)
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Krakow Sam on November 19, 2005, 02:11:32 pm
I think it would make our fish needlessly barbaric.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Leng on November 19, 2005, 02:37:33 pm
not necessarily.  any so-called barbaric activity can be done in a very compassionate way.  if you've read Stranger in a Strange Land, the martians were cannibalistic, but the 'victim' was quite willing, just returning his flesh to the people, and the whole experience was spiritual.  for our fish, being eaten by your children could be the highest form of sacrifice.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Krakow Sam on November 19, 2005, 02:42:12 pm
like those spiders...
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Leng on November 19, 2005, 02:44:13 pm
yes, but NOT VICIOUS.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: smjjames on November 19, 2005, 02:44:35 pm
the point he is making is that it would seem barbaric to us, but natural for them because its always been like that.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Vivec on November 19, 2005, 05:35:42 pm
which is why we should use our own bodies. i know simple pregnancy would make more sense... but having your children eat through your own body is so much cooler ;)


All right, then you can get eaten by your kids.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: 762 on November 19, 2005, 05:38:03 pm
Praying mantises do something like that. Right before they bump it, the female eats the male's head for nutrition, and leaves the dead body to finish the work. When they're done, the body falls to the ground.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Vivec on November 19, 2005, 05:38:49 pm
Praying mantises do something like that. Right before they bump it, the female eats the male's head for nutrition, and leaves the dead body to finish the work. When they're done, the body falls to the ground.

Wow, thanks... I was hoping I was going to get some sleep tonight.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: HolsteinCow on November 20, 2005, 12:18:38 pm
A:1
B:8

This is going to be gruesome so get ready.

In a corpse floating on the surface of the ocean, an Incepti female is subject to her first dose of Teshfe hormones. In most cases, this would result in the development of electric plates in her tail. However, this Incepti has a trait that nullifies her resistance against this hormone, making it affect her even more drastically.

This hormone gives her more effective plates, generating up to 250 volts of energy, as well as drastically affecting the eggs that she will eventually produce. 1 year later, and she has entered the 'mating market', so to speak, of her pack. The males have witnessed her ability to actually kill prey with her more powerful static attacking, making her extremely desirable. When she mates, it takes a long time for her eggs to develop and her strength is slowly diminishing. What is actually happening is that she is mass-producing the Teshfe hormone and is transferring all of it to a 'super egg' containing 15 young Inceptus. Eventually, her weakness and the egg displacing her organs kills her, and the pack leaves her to the Teshfe that will feed on her blood. The excess hormones the corpse still has radiate into the air around her, warding off the Teshfe for some reason.

A few days later, her children leave the egg, eat their way out of their mother's corpse, and grow up to gain one inch from their mother's weight(10 inches now), retaining the same hormone overdose their mother had. They go off to infect other schools with this trait, and over time the eventual death of the mother leaves no one to care for the children. With that the males abandon mating to father their children. While ritual fights for better females still occour, reproduction has turned into a one-shot deal. This will be a very interesting society.

As intelligence increases, the Inceptus continue to their eventual goal. The next step involves manipulators. Choose wisely.


A:Prehensile, longer and more tentacle-like horn.
B:Prehensile scales.
C:Add a thumb-like tooth.
D:Telekinesis(before you blindly vote for this one let me tell you this will cost a LOT of energy).
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: smjjames on November 20, 2005, 12:33:10 pm
I'm confused on the last part when you say "With that the males abandon mating to father their children", does that mean the males are no longer mating or what do you mean exactly?

For some reason, choice A seems like it might be suggestive, or it might be that my brain is just tired today. and they aren't smart enough to develop telekinesis.

So, B.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: 762 on November 20, 2005, 12:39:51 pm
He means that the males will mate once and then stick with the mother to raise the baby.

I don't know what prehensile scales could mean, and thumb-like teeth are impractical, so I'm voting A.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Leng on November 20, 2005, 01:49:21 pm
i gather the telekenesis will be electricity-based?  coolness. we can have a completely functional, yet nearly featureless body with static appendages.  or the static can be applies as a field, or it can work in ways unimaginable to human beings (since it's a quantum force).  really it would only be limited by the mind of the fish.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Krakow Sam on November 20, 2005, 02:51:38 pm
By prehensile scales I assume you mean, scales sort of grouping into a fingerlike appendage, a sort of scaly fin... I'll go for that, I really cant see prehensile horns or teeth actually working well.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Vivec on November 20, 2005, 06:33:13 pm
I'll take a horn, it could be the basis for a lightning rod later.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Krakow Sam on November 21, 2005, 08:30:56 am
hmmm, has anyone been checking out the planet spore one, theyre really gearing up their race for evil. Its kind of cool since our fish are leaning more towards a path of honour, they arent even using other creatures for eggs any more and theyre society is definitely geared toward democracy and so forth. Roll on the intergalactic war! (Once at galactic stage I think a race of crystal beings would be pretty cool allies for a race of electric fish, just a suggestion :))
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: smjjames on November 21, 2005, 08:42:34 am
yea it would be cool, except there aren't any crystalline biengs in any spore stories right now, so its likely we'd have to make them up.

I don't know if you'd call the bugs (they are now called Krilikans) as having democracy, they are still a hive type society. It could change once they get to sentience.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Krakow Sam on November 21, 2005, 09:52:29 am
theyll stay as the perfect insectoid communists for ever, the workers and warriors are basically just puppets of the queen and coms bugs. I'm saying the inceptus are likely to have democracy (although its really our choice), there's no real pack leader as such so most decisions will probably be made by comittee.

Quote
yea it would be cool, except there aren't any crystalline biengs in any spore stories right now, so its likely we'd have to make them up

Either that or i could start another thread running parallel to this one to develop some allies for the fish. What does everyone think? It would save effort to just make them up when the time comes but I'm game if everyone else is.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: HolsteinCow on November 21, 2005, 10:38:58 am
A:3
B:2
C:1
D:2

Somewhere in the ocean, 15 infantile Inceptus emerge from their mother's corpse and are taken in by their home pack. Unlike other Inceptus, most of these ones have a longer and more flexible horn. The pack, being xenophobes, drives the ones with prehensile horns out. They somehow survive by taking shrimp-like insectoids from their colonies with their appendage and eating them. They grow and assimilate themselves into other packs. Their manipulators aren't suited for fighting, but they get by with using crude weapons such as rocks in the courting process. The trait spreads itself across multiple schools and soon becomes widespread.

Sentience is now imminent. But before that happens, a method of communication besides hitting other Inceptus on the head with rocks must be established.


A:A 'vibrator' organ that produces low-pitched waves that can be felt.
B:Static electric shocks(the Inceptus are nearly immune to static so it won't hurt).
C:A heat pad on the 'chest' that can send heat signals to other Inceptus.
D:A few rotating things on the sides that can produce funnels at varying speeds and locations.
E:Bad jokes. Really bad jokes. like these ones (http://rinkworks.com/jokes/)
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: 762 on November 21, 2005, 01:19:42 pm
A. We have the whole "supersensitive touch" thing, so we should use what we have. And A is a lot more versatile than those other ones, let's go with it.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Krakow Sam on November 21, 2005, 02:16:24 pm
I'm going for B, make them more electric!
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Leng on November 21, 2005, 02:40:56 pm
yeah, also i'm thinking the horn could be used to extend the static into a useable arc (a compromise with telekinesis, since that got second place last time)
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Vivec on November 21, 2005, 05:23:29 pm
B, lighting fricking rods already!
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: ilikesanta on November 22, 2005, 11:22:06 am
I put my vote for B
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: HolsteinCow on November 22, 2005, 07:06:37 pm
A:3
B:6
C:0
D:1

A trait recently manifested itself in the Inceptus. A small muscle and a gland containing a few negatively charged, microscopic pellets that can be 'fired' at a specific location has allowed the Inceptus to communicate with each other in new and complicated ways. This new function of the Inceptic body alllows them to express simple things such as the location of large packs of prey, the presence of a nearby predator that could be dangerous to the young Inceptus and other things.

In one school of Inceptus however, this genetic innovation has had even more of an impact. For the first time in the history of the species, the once simple fish have begun seeing things with more then simple instinct. The Inceptus of this school are the harbringers of their species' domination of the planet. They have become sentient, and a new age of invention is upon them.


A:Invent blades.
B:Invent paint(hot, glowing paint, but still paint).
C:Invent 'houses'(read: dugouts in the side of a mountain(the Inceptus live in an archipelago)).
D:Invent sandwiches(raw meat wrapped in a kelp-like plant).
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Oviraptor on November 22, 2005, 07:08:41 pm
C, shelter is the most important out of all those listed.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Vivec on November 22, 2005, 07:12:25 pm
C, because the only other non-idiotic thing to make is blades, and housing beats that.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Leng on November 22, 2005, 07:42:48 pm
a = one of the basic tools, highly useful
b = artsy fish, but the percusa are already cultural
c = protection and stability
d = douglas adams

i will select A
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: smjjames on November 22, 2005, 09:27:58 pm
d = douglas adams

not sure what that is supposed to mean, but lol, its kinda funny somehow.

I choose C, shelter.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Danzik on November 22, 2005, 09:43:20 pm
I vote D for posterity.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Leng on November 22, 2005, 10:12:25 pm
i say douglas adams because, well, the first thing the species does upon achieving sentience is invent the sandwich...
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Krakow Sam on November 23, 2005, 12:17:22 am
Its very Adams, like the people that invented the aerosole deoderant before the wheel.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: ilikesanta on November 23, 2005, 08:29:31 am
c) get the creature in the hizzy
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: 762 on November 23, 2005, 08:54:06 am
C is going to win, even though it's just a hole in the ground. I want A, because blades are cooler than holes.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Oviraptor on November 23, 2005, 08:56:06 am
C is going to win, even though it's just a hole in the ground. I want A, because blades are cooler than holes.

What do they need blades for? They have electric shock.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: smjjames on November 23, 2005, 08:56:29 am
even if its a hole in the ground, its shelter from predators and a safe place to breed.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Krakow Sam on November 23, 2005, 08:57:41 am
I think we should pick the type of god the creatures worship as the chief of gods and that would determine theyre developement ie

A- Botzar, the Smiteicator
B- Goozina, goddess of happy feelings
C- Shnomvel, the hard worker....
you get the idea!
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Samog on November 23, 2005, 11:28:46 am
Are they doing anything with religion on the other Spore games?

If they're not yet, there should be a big pantheon with all of the people on these forums. Because that's cool.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Krakow Sam on November 23, 2005, 11:52:10 am
with little statues of all the gods
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: 762 on November 23, 2005, 01:35:56 pm
Well, Steve is taking questions, and that's a very good question.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Krakow Sam on November 23, 2005, 02:09:32 pm
Wright said there wont be religion in Spore per se, just 'Culture' but since this game isnt actually spore, anything goes.
All hail Gortex lord of...something
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Samog on November 23, 2005, 02:27:37 pm
But in my idea, it would be Krakow Sam lord of something.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Krakow Sam on November 23, 2005, 02:42:59 pm
hey, cool! cower brief mortals! Fwahahaha!
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Vivec on November 23, 2005, 02:43:51 pm
But in my idea, it would be Krakow Sam lord of something.


He's just buttering you up.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Krakow Sam on November 23, 2005, 02:46:57 pm
How dare you say my best friend samog would do such a thing  :D
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Vivec on November 23, 2005, 02:48:00 pm
Krivan, lord of Unicorns. That would be a very interesting civilization.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Leng on November 23, 2005, 03:09:36 pm
Leng, lord of the depths!!!

i wanna look like a big scarey octopus thing.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Samog on November 24, 2005, 10:02:07 am
Anyway, it looks like C is winning.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: meh on November 26, 2005, 12:01:47 am
I want in on this!

I vote for C because they can use it to invent the others in safety.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: 762 on November 26, 2005, 08:29:55 am
Yep, definitely looks like C is winning... Wait, what day is it again? The 26th, you say? Well, Holstein hasn't updated in... 4 days! :o

Come on, I want to see how this turns out.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: smjjames on November 26, 2005, 08:31:32 am
well, it is the holiday weekend, so he is probably busy.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: 762 on November 26, 2005, 08:32:24 am
Yeah, that's a good point. Didn't mean to sound too pushy, that's just what I happened to think at the time.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Krakow Sam on November 26, 2005, 10:29:19 am
I update mine every day :P (lets just ignore the fact its not been running very long :-[)
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: HolsteinCow on November 27, 2005, 09:33:58 am
A:2
B:2
C:10(!!!)
D:3

Inventions for underwater creatures are really hard to come up with, so the Inceptan tribal stage may have to be shorter then the Percusan one.

The first development of this school has been digging out holes in the sides of mountains(they're called islands to us land animals) as a means of shelter. This keeps them away from the cold tropical winters and gives the children a place to stay and not be eaten by predators. Otherwise, these dugouts are largely unused in favor of hunting parties.

A:Blades.
B:A food storing system.
C:An underwater fire alternative(this is the same as the paint from the last round).
D:Decorate the dugouts with plants.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Krakow Sam on November 27, 2005, 09:36:36 am
B- food storage important.
as for a, why would they even need blades, the only time when their electric attack is ineffective is when fighting each other and that hasnt happened yet.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Oviraptor on November 27, 2005, 09:38:41 am
I vote B.

By the way, how can an uunderwater fire alternative be the same as paint? ???
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: 762 on November 27, 2005, 09:39:54 am
It's just hot and glowing. It's not really fire.

KS, they've been fighting each other for a while. It was in a vote to have them fight each other.

B.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Krakow Sam on November 27, 2005, 09:45:46 am
the type of fighting they do is a ritual battle for females, they arent motivated by 'negative' emotions like hate or greed and are unlikely to go to war over it.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: HolsteinCow on November 27, 2005, 09:47:31 am
Here is a complete(incomplete) list of other spore games on the internet. If there are any others, let me know so I can add it to the list.

The Percusa, Jedimutant (http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=926714&topic=24662505)
Shirmp-like creatures, Jedimutant (http://www.gamespot.com/pages/unions/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=23917617&union_id=2627)
Krikilans, Jedimutant (http://www.planetspore.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=36)
An Amoeba, tdlob (http://www.planetspore.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=100)
Crabs, Gaiden Desot (http://forums.sporehq.com/viewtopic.php?t=70)
Inceptus, HolsteinCow (http://gamingsteve.com/blab/index.php?topic=1481.0)
Crazy Silicon-based creature, Krakow Sam (http://gamingsteve.com/blab/index.php?topic=1583.0)
Subterrainian(sp) wormish creature, Mirknut (http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=926714&topic=24579557)
A fish, Dinodan007 (http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=926714&topic=24352479)
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: HolsteinCow on November 27, 2005, 09:48:46 am
B- food storage important.
as for a, why would they even need blades, the only time when their electric attack is ineffective is when fighting each other and that hasnt happened yet.

Blades have uses besides killing things.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: smjjames on November 27, 2005, 09:55:29 am
and theres the various planet spore stories on the Planet Spore forums. Probably easier to just link to the forums itself than to get the link for each individual story there.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Leng on November 27, 2005, 01:16:50 pm
A.  the knife is THE tool.  it can be used for:

- fashioning other tools, by wood carving, or cutting out thin strips of bark or sinew to thread into rope.
- cleanly processing a carcass.  separating meat to be eaten, lard to be discarded, skin to be used for clothing, bone for tools, etc.
- general cutting.  ever tried to sever a length of hard stringy plant with your bare hands?  try doing it to a spare power cord; you might as well try it on the one your computer is running off of, because it's NOT going to come apart.  you need a knife.
- surgery.  whatever a doctor might say, an untrained but CAREFUL pair of hands can save a life, and will get better with practice.
- creating artwork
- warfare and hunting, like you thought
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Piloteer on November 27, 2005, 01:20:59 pm
I voted for A. Seemed to be the best defense.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Krakow Sam on November 27, 2005, 03:10:55 pm
I change my vote to blades B-1 A+1
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: meh on November 27, 2005, 05:12:27 pm
I vote for the blade for its many uses

( I bet if blades win there will be a food shortage  ;) )
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: 762 on November 27, 2005, 06:48:25 pm
Both KS and I change our votes to A.

A        +2
B         -2
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Samog on November 28, 2005, 03:05:56 pm
I think that if blades win, a UFO should kill off half of the population.
[/propaganda]
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Vivec on November 28, 2005, 07:26:58 pm
C, because it must be radioactive paint!
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: HolsteinCow on December 01, 2005, 01:07:43 pm
A:6
B:3
C:1
D:1

This school of Inceptus has, after 12 years after inventing the shelter, stumbled upon another legendary achievement. By hitting a rock against a harder rock, the softer rock becomes sharper and although being softer than the other rock, its edge makes it a better weapon. This went widely unused until one fateful summer day.

A school member was hunting with his party, absentmindedly carrying the blade along with him. The party killed a large fish, but they found that they were unable to bite open the tough flesh. But everyone watches an awe as the Incepti with the blade cuts open the hide, and they are even furthermore astonished when he takes a piece of the meat and cuts it off with his knife, making it drift around inside the dead body. The swordbearer waits a while, but then the real shocker comes when he finally sticks his blade inside the chunk of meat and uses as a handle to carry it around.

The other party members immediately start emulating this behavior, crafting knives, tearing the meat off and hauling it around with the knife, and then they decide to all go back home with the meat instead of just sending a solitary messanger. Now even more children survive until adulthood, not having to venture into dangerous waters in order to eat.

After hearing of this, an alien UFO heads toward our planet with the objective of killing exactly half of the school. But before it arrives, it is shot down by a flurry of missiles coming from somewhere in the marshlands.


A:The firepaste mentioned earlier.
B:A form of archaic music.
C:A basket for carrying food in.
D:Become omnivores(don't vote for this if you hate psuedoscience).
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: smjjames on December 01, 2005, 01:45:41 pm
So those other predators (forget the name) achieved sentience?? or was it just a plot device to knock off the UFO thing Samog said about?

and what do you mean pseudoscience? an omnivore is just something that can eat both plants and animals.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Samog on December 01, 2005, 01:53:18 pm
Do you mean that if we vote D, you'll make something pseudoscientific as a reason?
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: 762 on December 01, 2005, 02:45:36 pm
So this is the cultural achievement we develop next then? I vote C, we could use canned peas during the nuclear holocaust sure to come.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Leng on December 01, 2005, 03:13:05 pm
a proper method of storing food would make military campaigning easier from a logistical standpoint, which is the only important standpoint.  if food has to be eaten at a point close to where it is grown or caught, we can have no centralized beaurocracy, let alone any far-flung militaristic adventurism.

Lao Tzu say: "let there be many farms and few industries, for the first produce that which is good, and the second produce that which is evil."

your choice of having better food preservation to prevent war is flawed.

i still can't decide what to pick.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: smjjames on December 01, 2005, 03:54:21 pm
Even though I don't know what he meant by pseudoscience, they don't need to change thier diet and there is no reason to. They have always been carnivores anyway.

The three choices really have thier own pros and cons, but none are really a whole lot better than the others. I vote for the firepaste thing and get that over with.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: HolsteinCow on December 02, 2005, 08:06:35 pm
A:3
B:1
C:2
D:2

In a small cavern in the sub-tropics, a lone exiled Incepti comes across a strange kind of fish. These fish, at about the size of a horsefly, use small 'sacks' of bioluminescent paste that can heat up to tempatures of 211F. This lone Incepti stalls for a moment, and then decides to invent things the traditional Inceptan way: hitting it with a large rock. When the rock smites the small fish, the paste breaks out of its sack, mildly burning the Inceptus. This would have been enough to scare away any other presentient animal, but in this case it has only sparked the Incepti's interests. He then considers manipulating this paste the Human way: poking it with a stick. So our hero takes a seastick and valiantly prods the hot paste. It sticks onto the the seastick, so the Incepti tries to scrape it off. But when it comes off, the seastick had been charred. He does not understand this, but his interest waives around this time he decides to find another school to join. He carries a sample of the firepaste on a stick with him.

The school of Inceptus greet the newcomer with slight caution, as large amounts of heat are coming from the stick he is carrying. He gets into the school succesfully after a brief trial of hunting, and by the fall he is about halfway up the mating chain. However, that winter was an extremely harsh winter. A few children and elderly males die, but then one of them remember's the first time they met the exile. The exile is sent out to lead some hunters to more firepaste,  which they find and return. The exile didn't return, as he was killed by a shark-sized crustacean trying to buy some time for the hunters to escape. In memorium, the school decided to paint a scene of the exile fighting the crustacean using some of the firepaste the hunters brought. The paste didn't stick to the wall very well, however, and it came off within a couple of hours. But it charred the wall, giving it a different texture that the Inceptic nerves could easily differentiate from normal rock. And thus the first campfire and the first painting were created.


A:Learn how to cook food.
B:Learn how to weaken the structure of vegetable material allowing it to be consumed.
C:What do you get when you combine a dull blade with a particulary long and tough vein? A primative violin.
D:Tie a sharp rock to a stick. Can be used as a spade or an axe.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: 762 on December 02, 2005, 08:15:01 pm
They all seem kind of useless, but I'll go for option B. They should be able to eat something when they aren't able to get meat.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Krakow Sam on December 03, 2005, 02:03:49 am
I'm going to say D. Useful tools which could lead to farming, thus elimnating the need to be omnivores.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: 762 on December 03, 2005, 11:47:40 am
I'm going to say D. Useful tools which could lead to farming, thus elimnating the need to be omnivores.

Yeah, that sounds better. Just circumvent the logical choice by doing something abstract.

Also, how will they farm efficiently if they can't eat plants? (I'm not retarded, I know they can farm animals, but plants would be a hell of a lot more effecient).
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Krakow Sam on December 03, 2005, 02:43:15 pm
you grow plants, plants dont require much food themselves and can be fed to animals. therefore farming is just turning inedible plant matter into edible animal matter.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: 762 on December 03, 2005, 06:12:40 pm
But wouldn't it be easier and more useful and more efficient to just grow plants and eat them yourself? You're just adding an extra step and saying "It's good enough." I still vote B.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Vivec on December 05, 2005, 09:19:24 pm
D, because 762's voting for B.  ;D No, I like D because it has the axe idea.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: HolsteinCow on December 07, 2005, 04:38:56 pm
A:2
B:1
C:0
D:4

On a particulary bright and happy spring day, a group of Inceptus children were inside a dugout, eating some recently killed game. One of them is an ******* and uses a vine to grapple the other younglings with. Eventually, one of the children(whom we would recognize as having symptoms of Bipolar Disorder) takes a seastick and starts hitting the bully. This doesn't work as successfully as he thought it would, and he has his ass kicked within a short amount of time.

A few hours later, the 'Bipolar' fish decides to improve upon his original concept. He takes a vine, and ties a dull rock to the stick with it. With his newfound weapon, he kills the bully and shortly after exiled from the school.

The school does not forget this innovation though. They improve on the original form, giving it a long, bowlish edge for creating better dugouts, and giving it a broad and serrated edge for hunting.


A:Invent the whole lumberjack thing.
B:Create better weapons for hunting(and later disputes over hunting grounds, lol)
C:Refine the Inceptic language a bit.
D:Teach the Inceptus how to eat vegatables.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: 762 on December 07, 2005, 04:49:06 pm
D! GET IT OVER WITH! It's going to keep coming up over and over, and the more we put it off, the more opportunities we deprive ourselves.

And reset the poll.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Cobra on December 07, 2005, 11:50:30 pm
I'm new to the game i choose D for no reason at all.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Krakow Sam on December 08, 2005, 01:07:05 am
Something tells me you want us to choose D so we might as well get it over with.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Samog on December 08, 2005, 01:50:32 pm
C:What do you get when you combine a dull blade with a particulary long and tough vein?
Emos.please don't kill me

Also, I voted D.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: HolsteinCow on December 13, 2005, 07:50:11 pm
C:What do you get when you combine a dull blade with a particulary long and tough vein?
Emos.

Ahahaha.

Some Incepti in the tropics is playing with her natural weapon/communication shocker. She fires an ionized solution at some seagrass and then shocks it with her tail. When she does this, she feels the seagrass expanding. The Incepti also feels a slight impulse telling her to eat. Her school's hunting party was recovering from a disasterous hunt, and there was therefor nothing to eat except for the disgusting Treckyl(venomous shrimp-sized creatures). She then considers the seagrass, having expanded and weakened, and wonders if it's edible. Every last instinct tells her that this is a bad idea, but her will is stronger and she downs the vegetable. It's a bit bitter and stringy, but preferable to eating the equivalent of waste and being surprised in the morning by a hangover. She carries some seagrass with her, and informs the school of her new discovery.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: smjjames on December 13, 2005, 07:53:25 pm
soo... they discovered thier equivalent of alcohol?? or was the hangover from hunger?

also you need to fix that poll because its closed and theres no votes in it.
Title: Re: Spore, for the BBS
Post by: Krakow Sam on December 14, 2005, 12:47:39 am
and there are no options

Is this thread dead forever? At this rate the Cryoeltans will reach space before the Inceptus even have small towns and the Inceptus will have to be absorbed into the other thread as uplifted organisms...
Title: Re: corn, for teh BBS
Post by: Hydromancerx on March 31, 2009, 05:19:37 pm
I pick D.
Title: Re: corn, for teh BBS
Post by: Raz on March 31, 2009, 05:20:44 pm
He's gone on a necroing parade.
Title: Re: corn, for teh BBS
Post by: Yuu on April 01, 2009, 03:27:01 am
And I'm on a pizza parade!


Woohooo look at me! I want a lot of attenshun! :o :o :o *nuked the rest of them*




Cache still runnin'?

Now it is. Thank u mass destruction. ~Gec