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Title: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (New: Spoiler Tags!)*
Post by: Gungnir on August 22, 2008, 07:24:27 pm
One month til the next season is out! Yay. Anyway, I'm excited about it. And I've read in an interview that any characters that die this season stay did. No magical claire blood? And I think they also mentioned claire going through...I dunno,  something like what matt went through when he discovered he had more powers than just simple mind reading. I'm expecting something like radical regeneration from Treason by Orson Scott Card. The main character of the novel regenerated body parts he wasn't missing, especially when he wasn't using energy for much else, so he grows like, 4 extra arms, 3 spare legs, another nose, etc.

Then again I could be totally off.

Anyway, here's a promo...trailer..thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUslVKw4ro8
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3)
Post by: Limeade on August 22, 2008, 07:30:33 pm
But how can one tell who is the hero, and who is the villain? Is it even possible for an average human to objectively judge the morality and actions of others? The highwayman is a noble folk hero to some, and a ruthless street pirate to others.
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3)
Post by: Celdur on August 22, 2008, 08:23:10 pm
claire is going bad? thats just silly
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3)
Post by: Gungnir on August 22, 2008, 09:02:51 pm
Claire going bad is "alternate future" claire. You may remember that from the first season, when it was the post-bomb NY.

I wonder if peter will go back into the shanti virus future to rescue that girl he left there...
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3)
Post by: Neoadept on August 23, 2008, 05:22:23 am
I doubt it, if I understand Heroes' time travel causality, that future no longer exists due to them stopping Adam.  I'm not quite sure what will happen to her since she was introduced to the time line from outside, but I'd bet they use her to fuel Peter's "I'm god-powerful, but everything I do comes out horribly wrong, I'm going to go sulk until the very last moment so that I don't mess with the plot" angst.

But how can one tell who is the hero, and who is the villain? Is it even possible for an average human to objectively judge the morality and actions of others? The highwayman is a noble folk hero to some, and a ruthless street pirate to others.
Congratulations, good sir, on your profound ability to discover the plot element of season one, in which one Linderman did intend to destroy one New York with one nuclear device in order to convince one humanity to work together to save one Earth.  However, as this is a discussion for season three I suggest you refrain such repetitions of previous story arcs.

I expect that they'll avoid rehashing the "Noble Villain" thing by making all these villains completely, genuinely evil.  You know, "tear someone's skin off because it's kinda funny" evil.  The only question is, what happens when these guys run into Sylar?  I'm kinda hoping that he picks them off one by one so that h becomes something of an omni villain and we can finally have an epic battle between him and Peter at the end of the season.  We've been waiting for that showdown since season one, and one of them had better die.
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3)
Post by: /lurk on August 23, 2008, 06:52:00 am
But how can one tell who is the hero, and who is the villain? Is it even possible for an average human to objectively judge the morality and actions of others? The highwayman is a noble folk hero to some, and a ruthless street pirate to others.
Congratulations, good sir, on your profound ability to discover the plot element of season one, in which one Linderman did intend to destroy one New York with one nuclear device in order to convince one humanity to work together to save one Earth.  However, as this is a discussion for season three I suggest you refrain such repetitions of previous story arcs.

Now I don't watch Heroes, but... are you sure you didn't just get that confused with Watchmen?
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3)
Post by: Neoadept on August 23, 2008, 07:08:07 am
No, season one's plot is pretty much lifted from Watchmen, except the heroes have no publicity, it's not the cold war, Rorschach isn't there, and Dr. Manhattan is emo.  And instead of gradually solving a conspiracy, everyone just stumbles into it.  So, I guess it's like Watchmen without the awesome parts.

Thanks a lot , Lurk.  Now I'll be making that comparison all season.
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3)
Post by: Mr. Consideration on August 23, 2008, 10:23:31 am
I can barely wait.

I would love to see a clash between Sylar and some of the other villains.

Sylar better be pretty damn impressive in this season, after merely wandering around with Latin people and glaring last season. I want a telekinetic murder within the first ten minutes of screen time.
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3)
Post by: Doctor Z on August 23, 2008, 12:11:31 pm
I need to see season 2.

Last episode I remember seeing was Hiro going back to the Empire, and finding the white guy. >_>
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3)
Post by: smurfslayer on August 23, 2008, 08:18:20 pm
After the colossal disappointment that was Season 2, this had better be damn good. And I'm not just talking about myself here, if the show doesn't prove itself this Season then I highly doubt NBC will make a fourth one.
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3)
Post by: Gungnir on August 23, 2008, 08:56:50 pm
I need to see season 2.

Last episode I remember seeing was Hiro going back to the Empire, and finding the white guy. >_>
According to the ad at the bottom, it comes out on DVD in 3 days (on the 26th)
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3)
Post by: ilikesanta on August 23, 2008, 11:36:50 pm
You can learn about one of the five villains in this short Going Postal (http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/video/webisodes/#vid=275540), there's three parts. It's low budget, has bad product placement, and it's a little cheesy at times, but it's still Heroes.
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3)
Post by: emmet on September 21, 2008, 01:06:20 am
Isn't it tomorrow?
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3)
Post by: Netherflare on September 21, 2008, 02:20:06 pm
YES! And i cant wait!
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3)
Post by: Slartibartfast on September 22, 2008, 06:22:45 am
Tonight.  Be ready.
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3)
Post by: Netherflare on September 22, 2008, 08:23:39 pm
Wow! That was a great first 2 episodes! It finally reveals so much, yet gives us more questions to ask:

Spoilers:

So Angela Petrelli has the power of dreaming the future. That also explains in the first seasons of why Peter could dream the future. Turns out, maybe, that Gabrielle Gray (Sylar) is also a son of the Petrelli family!

Linderman as a ghost?

Niki Sanders is dead, or is that really someone new, another alter ego? Can turn people into ice? And even if that was her, she still has the Shanti Virus and should be dying...

It saddens me that Bob is dead :( I am glad that Elle is alive though.

Why is present-Peter in the form of a gangster member?

The excuse Sylar gave for not killing Claire was a little bad...

Finally they will be bringing in the French language (hopefully) because of that girl who can run really fast. What is her name?

Where is Mika and Monica?

Maya seems a little too Americanized now. Her English became 10x better and she has an attitude now. And Mohinder is starting to make me mad with trying to solve the cure, but first has to make him super powerful.

Next week looks really good!  ;D
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Potential Spoilers*
Post by: Neoadept on September 23, 2008, 03:33:36 pm
I think you missed the most important things.

Hiro "Awesome" Nakamura has finally mastered his powers and has an immediately important quest, and Peter "I'm god-powerful, but full of self pity" Petrelli has been sidelined.  Ok, so he was sidelined by his future self, but at least his future self knows how to get the job done.


Speculation:  You know how they had the whole thing about Niki's dad killing her sister?  It looks like he really didn't do it, and adoption has left her much better adjusted.
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3)
Post by: MetallicDragon on September 23, 2008, 05:23:04 pm
Wow! That was a great first 2 episodes! It finally reveals so much, yet gives us more questions to ask:

Spoilers:

So Angela Petrelli has the power of dreaming the future. That also explains in the first seasons of why Peter could dream the future. Turns out, maybe, that Gabrielle Gray (Sylar) is also a son of the Petrelli family!

Linderman as a ghost?

Niki Sanders is dead, or is that really someone new, another alter ego? Can turn people into ice? And even if that was her, she still has the Shanti Virus and should be dying...

It saddens me that Bob is dead :( I am glad that Elle is alive though.

Why is present-Peter in the form of a gangster member?

The excuse Sylar gave for not killing Claire was a little bad...

Finally they will be bringing in the French language (hopefully) because of that girl who can run really fast. What is her name?

Where is Mika and Monica?

Maya seems a little too Americanized now. Her English became 10x better and she has an attitude now. And Mohinder is starting to make me mad with trying to solve the cure, but first has to make him super powerful.

Next week looks really good!  ;D

Few comments:

I only watched the first season and the last episode of season 2, with a few things keyed in by my friend, so I might be missing some stuff.

Did Linderman ever die? I can't remember.

Who's this bob you are talking about?

Present-Peter is in the form of a gangsta because future Peter put him there to keep him "Safe" and out of the way.


Well, now I'm back into this series again, but why oh why does it have to be a week between each episode? :(
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3)
Post by: martyk on September 23, 2008, 06:49:11 pm

Who's this bob you are talking about?


Bob Midas, the head of the company.
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3)
Post by: MetallicDragon on September 23, 2008, 09:37:11 pm

Who's this bob you are talking about?


Bob Midas, the head of the company.

Right, I assume he is named so because of his power? I thought that's who Bob was, but I wasn't sure. Thanks.
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Potential Spoilers*
Post by: emmet on September 24, 2008, 06:19:21 am
The episodes were great! We're finally back on track after series 2 it seems.

So, what exactly was growing out of Mohinder's back?
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Potential Spoilers*
Post by: DarkDragon on September 24, 2008, 08:58:48 am
Damn I wanna watch this, have to wait 2 weeks or so before I can though :(
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Potential Spoilers*
Post by: MetallicDragon on September 24, 2008, 02:36:09 pm
So I heard season 2 suffered from the writers strike. Anyone want to comment on that?
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Potential Spoilers*
Post by: Doomsday on September 24, 2008, 02:50:00 pm
They did it to me again! Arghh... I accidentally stumbled across some spoilers from ComiCon when reading up on Dr. Horrible's Sing-A-Long Blog and the Whedon Crowd. I stumbled across these spoilers and I was furious. I was SO set to hate the season. That it wouldn't make any sense... that it would mess with the universe further. That it would be so bad. However, these first two episodes proved me wrong (so far). My god.. I didn't expect it to pull me back in so quickly.. especially since I missed it on Monday and had to find it online to watch it. I went into the episodes completely expecting to be disappointed. I was not.

In fact, I'm already gearing back up into full speculation mode, especially with, well, pretty much all of episode 2.

Spoilers/Speculation:

At the end of episode two, do you think Mrs Patrelli was being serious with Sylar, or using mind tricks with him? I mean after all she can dream the future and could know all about Sylar's past. I actually want to think that Gabriel is really her son. It makes a lot of sense, especially with the similarity of powers between Peter and Sylar. That still has some major repercussions in the Heroes universe, especially if Sylar starts working FOR the Company or even stranger still, turns "hero".

I wonder how Sylar will react when he finds out that he is no longer "special". That anyone can get powers like his through use of Dr. Suresh's serum. Speaking of Suresh, who else saw that coming? He's turning primal.. into an animal. He's degenerating somehow. His increased metabolism is causing some really funky things to go on. I'm really interested to see where Suresh and Maya go as well, as I've thought that they had a certain chemistry when they met at the end of Season 2. It may have just been that the actors had that certain spark, but it's not a far-fetched pairing at all. I actually kind of hope it works out.


Edit:

So I heard season 2 suffered from the writers strike. Anyone want to comment on that?

Eh? It kind of did. They didn't get as many episodes out there. The story got truncated. There wasn't enough action for some people, so it suffered in the ratings there (I actually LIKED the character development and romance stuff for a change -_-). It could have been a lot better, but it wasn't a horrible season. It set up events nicely for this season despite being disrupted due to the strike.

Edit: Edit: More Speculations:
The Ice-Queen Politician's Aide (forget the characters name) IS Nikki, but another personality. I think her powers depend on the personality in control, and are directly tied to emotions or emotional states. Jessica was Nikki's strength so she was super-strong. Nikki eventually conquered Jessica and was stronger for it.
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Potential Spoilers*
Post by: Netherflare on September 24, 2008, 05:01:33 pm
Hmm, i like your speculation! But, might i add that the speculation you will be refering to is Episode 3. Monday night they showed both episode 1 and 2 back to back.

And did Heroes drop in popularity in these forums? Or did not many people know it is back on, or Spore?

And i thought Season 2 was just as good as 1. My favorite episode out of all of Heroes is when Noah got shot by Mohinder. The suspense in that whole episode was fantastic!
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Potential Spoilers*
Post by: DarkDragon on September 25, 2008, 07:13:00 am
So I heard season 2 suffered from the writers strike. Anyone want to comment on that?

Yes, it was cut short and they skipped 1 season as well as 1 spin-off series...
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Potential Spoilers*
Post by: ContsantConstanant on September 25, 2008, 11:38:40 am
About Nikki's development:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legion_(Marvel_Comics) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legion_(Marvel_Comics))
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Potential Spoilers*
Post by: emmet on September 25, 2008, 11:43:23 am
Non existent wikipedia page?
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Potential Spoilers*
Post by: ContsantConstanant on September 25, 2008, 12:24:40 pm
Fixed.
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Potential Spoilers*
Post by: ilikesanta on September 25, 2008, 12:39:20 pm
My girlfriend pointed this out: Mohinder = Beast, supersmart with animal strength and climbing and now hideously deformed! I'm thinking more along the lines of the Fly, but whatever it more or less the same thing.

Also did the Premiere seem more "depressing" to anyone else? You have future Peter messing everything up, Sylar is now unstoppable, and Claire can't feel pain. It's almost like a Empire Strikes Back season.

Then with the next episode I'm wondering why Sylar want to team up with the 'bad' company people and not just continue to do his own thing?
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Potential Spoilers*
Post by: smurfslayer on September 27, 2008, 09:07:49 pm
Then with the next episode I'm wondering why Sylar want to team up with the 'bad' company people and not just continue to do his own thing?
He just does whatever he sees as possibly gaining him the most power. In this case, it seems far more beneficial for him to team up with them.
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Potential Spoilers*
Post by: Gungnir on September 28, 2008, 11:17:38 am
When did he say team up? I thought maybe he just wanted their powers.
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Potential Spoilers*
Post by: MetallicDragon on September 29, 2008, 09:45:57 pm
Anyone know when the next episode will be posted online?
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Potential Spoilers*
Post by: Neoadept on September 30, 2008, 04:27:36 am
Soooo....

That was it?  The entire season is called Heroes:  Villains, and everyone from section five is either dead or back in section five after a couple episodes.  And from a bank heist no less.  I mean, yeah it was designed to lure in company for revenge, but can't they expand their vision a little?  :-\

Happily, Hiro continues to do important things.  For once he's the only one to do something important from the get-go.  Though I wonder, what will the company do when they realize Mohinder just found a formula without their fancy-shmancy two-pieces-of-paper-that-weren't-all-that-hard-to-steal?
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Potential Spoilers*
Post by: LadyM on September 30, 2008, 06:39:55 am
Can't we talk here without spoiling anything? That's why we post in seasons now so we don't ruin anything. Anyway, I finally got into this show, literally finished watching Season 2 before the new season.

The Sylar partnership is just weird. If he shares a mother with the Petrelli's then that makes him Claire's uncle. Claire becomes a bigger mystery now. Why can't she die and why is she so special?

As far as Nikki, I guess she's dead but it appears that some cloning has been going on. That might explain a lot. I always wondered if Jessica was a dead twin, if they said it, I didn't pick up on it.

As far as the Villians, they also said some people change sides. I think the new Nikki/Ice Queen might go bad. Claire might turn too.

My other questions:
Did Claire and her family actually  move?
Where is the flying boy? They got so close and now he's gone
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Potential Spoilers*
Post by: smurfslayer on September 30, 2008, 08:05:23 am
That episode was surprisingly dark. What Mrs. Petrelli did at the beginning of the episode was down right disturbing.
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Potential Spoilers*
Post by: cloud_dog_9 on September 30, 2008, 08:57:14 am
Fot those who have seen the episode:

But do we now for sure the the Screamer (Jesse) died?  We just saw a blood splat against the window.  How many people have survived the intial head slice (w/o being examined/eaten)?  Peter and Elle.  This guy maybe alive.

I think this season is getting back on track from Season 2.  The cliffhanger episode endings have started.
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Potential Spoilers*
Post by: cloud_dog_9 on September 30, 2008, 09:06:21 am
Can't we talk here without spoiling anything? That's why we post in seasons now so we don't ruin anything. Anyway, I finally got into this show, literally finished watching Season 2 before the new season.

My other questions:
Did Claire and her family actually  move?
Where is the flying boy? They got so close and now he's gone


I think Wes (aka flying boy) was left out because he wasn't that popular.  I kind of like Claire's friend from the 1st season.
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Potential Spoilers*
Post by: cloud_dog_9 on September 30, 2008, 10:42:27 am
Well...

We don't who is paying Speedster to steal the formula.
It could be someone we wouldn't expect, like a Future Hiro who wanted to stop Mohinder's plague and fought Peter, giving him the scar.

I thought the Hiro facilitating the theft of the second half of the formula was extremely stupid, Peter level of stupid.

Only one of the escapees got back into level 5, and there were more than in Peter's group...
from Peter's group, one got killed, one got fed to Sylar, and the last one apparently vanished while Sylar was feeding.


I'll buy the German, but the other guy...

until I see him dead with his head all cut open I will assume that Sylar had a change of heart.  Besides nobosy seemed all upset.  Aside from HRG, who said he was going to find Sylar's weak point and kill him (which may bring up the point that Sylar does have extra sensitive hearing, who says he didn't hear that?  We did hear Peter (as Jesse) yelling through the glass...).
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Potential Spoilers*
Post by: cloud_dog_9 on September 30, 2008, 12:35:58 pm

Aside from HRG, who said he was going to find Sylar's weak point and kill him (which may bring up the point that Sylar does have extra sensitive hearing, who says he didn't hear that? 


HRG was talking to the Haitian, which means Sylar's abilities weren't functioning.


True, did not think of that.  Thanks for pointing that out.  Can't believe I missed that...
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Potential Spoilers*
Post by: smurfslayer on September 30, 2008, 04:00:41 pm
I think Wes (aka flying boy) was left out because he wasn't that popular.  I kind of like Claire's friend from the 1st season.
Yes but he got his memory erased and became John Connor so there is no chance of him coming back.
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Potential Spoilers*
Post by: cloud_dog_9 on September 30, 2008, 06:02:15 pm
I think Wes (aka flying boy) was left out because he wasn't that popular.  I kind of like Claire's friend from the 1st season.
Yes but he got his memory erased and became John Connor so there is no chance of him coming back.

ROFL!!!
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in white)*
Post by: Inkling on October 03, 2008, 09:09:23 am
I'm really just posting so that this will show up in my new replies section.

Screw white spoilers, beige is the way to go.

I agree that Mohindir's transformation is very similar to The Fly.  He climbs on walls, gets horny, and starts to fall apart.  I really hope he survives this, though.  He's one of my favorites, and the show needs a mad scientist.

Mamma Petrelli is pure evil.  There, I said it.

There are apparently multiple clones of Nikki/the Governor's assistant.  Remember, when she went to the doctor's house, he thought she was someone named Barbara.
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in white)*
Post by: cloud_dog_9 on October 03, 2008, 10:20:17 am
I hate making my own predictions... So far most have come true.  It almost ruins it for me.
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in white)*
Post by: martyk on October 07, 2008, 09:19:17 am
Just saw the 4th episode and I'm ready to pass judgement.


BEST SEASON EVAR!!
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in white)*
Post by: cloud_dog_9 on October 07, 2008, 10:35:36 am
Just saw the 4th episode and I'm ready to pass judgement.


BEST SEASON EVAR!!

Yeah, last night's episode did it for me.  I almost feel like I did with the 1st season.
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in white)*
Post by: Gungnir on October 07, 2008, 02:56:15 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fly_II#Makeup.2FCreature_Effects

I'm thinking Mohinder is about to go into cocoon stage.


Also, wow, beige works really well.
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in white)*
Post by: cloud_dog_9 on October 07, 2008, 03:49:09 pm
I will say that I did like Sylar as a "good guy" I did buy him as the dad of that kid.  Anybody catch the kids name?  Noah?  Wonder what that means... And who's the mom, unless he stole that ability too!   ;D
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in white)*
Post by: Person21 on October 07, 2008, 04:57:50 pm
That was awesome


I nearly kicked myself for not seeing Adams comeback.


Speculation: With him being "the key to power making formula", I now fully support the "Adam was the first person with powers theory even more.
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in white)*
Post by: smurfslayer on October 07, 2008, 08:39:21 pm
I will say that I did like Sylar as a "good guy" I did buy him as the dad of that kid.  Anybody catch the kids name?  Noah?  Wonder what that means... And who's the mom, unless he stole that ability too!   ;D
Yeah I thought about that and I came to an odd conclusion. The kid is actually Noah Bennett. I know that sounds bizarre but look at the facts. Sylar did not appear to have any sort of female partner. The child's name is Noah. The child has the same hair color and other features as Noah Bennett. Sylar and his "son" live in the Bennett's old house. Claire says that Sylar stole everything from her. Sylar's kid=Noah Bennett somehow de-aged. An interesting power.

As for Adam, I also agree that he is the first person with powers, and perhaps the only with naturally manifested powers. Future episodes will verify or brake this theory, but I'm guessing that everyone else has manufactured powers from the formula made using Adam's DNA.

And did anyone else think that Hiro and Ando's escape attempt sounded like some kind of gay porno? I mean think about it.

*Lots of grunting noises* "Ando, you must push harder" "I'm pushing as hard as I can!" *More grunting noises*

Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in white)*
Post by: MetallicDragon on October 07, 2008, 10:02:23 pm
All I have to say is that this was a really freakin' good episode.
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in white)*
Post by: cloud_dog_9 on October 08, 2008, 06:54:25 am
This isn't a spoiler, just an observation: Has anybody noticed that there are a lot of religious names scattered throughout this series?  Adam, Peter, Nathan, Noah, Matt(hew), Isaac (from the first season), Claire (isn't Claire a Catholic saint's name?), Gabreal (sp).  I am not sure about the foreign people's name or if they fit into a foreign religion or not.  Anybody think this is a coincidence?
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in white)*
Post by: smurfslayer on October 08, 2008, 07:11:30 am
I's just a coincidence. Religious names are extremely common.
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in white)*
Post by: cloud_dog_9 on October 08, 2008, 07:36:29 am
I's just a coincidence. Religious names are extremely common.

I am not convinced it is a coincidence.  I mean if Tim Kring comes out and says it then I will be convinced, but until this I am trying to figure out if there is supposed to be some sort of symbolism with the name choices.
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in white)*
Post by: smurfslayer on October 08, 2008, 08:38:05 am
Think about it though. Ando, Hiro, Molly, Daphne, West, Mohinder, Elle, Niki, Tracy, and Angela are all not religious names. There are a lot of characters with religious names on the show merely because they are extremely common names. Half the people I know have names taken out of the bible.
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in white)*
Post by: MetallicDragon on October 08, 2008, 09:39:14 am
Although... we were speculating that Adam was the first "Hero". Reference to Adam and Eve?
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in white)*
Post by: ilikesanta on October 08, 2008, 09:42:45 am
And Noah was trying to collect all the "Heroes"
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in white)*
Post by: cloud_dog_9 on October 08, 2008, 12:16:05 pm
First, do you have any data proving it is a coincidence?  If you do I will give up this theory.

Second, Angela (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angela_Merici) is the name of a saint.  It is also interesting that she was (as legend has it) satisfied by a vision, which happens to be her power.

Another few I forgot to mention was Linderman's first name was Daniel.  Again another common name, but none the less another religious name.  Ted, another common name, was the name of the guy in the first season that had the radioactive powers, is the name of four saints.

I am not saying all have them.  I am saying some do.  If it were other more common Biblical names (Jacob, Jesse, David, Joel, Mark, Luke, Thomas, Mary, Paul, Samuel) I may not think of it as anything.  I guess the names that stuck out to me were Gaberial, Micah, Isaac.  I mean how many people do you really know with those names?  And Noah?  I know one Micah and one Gaberial. Peter, Claire and Nathan I can buy as being common.  And I had that thought way before HRG gave his name I thought it was funny how many religious names were in the show.  As soon as he gave his name I thought I could have almost guessed it. 

I am curious why these names were chosen, could it have something to do with a way the show is going?  I was curious about the foreign names if they had any significance to any religion.

And like was said above: It does seem funny that Adam is the first hero named, so far, corresponding with the first Biblical man.  Is there an Eve?  I am not sure.  This is what makes this show so good.  We can have theories because we don't know where the show is going next.

I mean I don't think that HRG is making an Ark for the heroes to get in, but I had a friend who was hardcore into comics and he told me it was not unusual to have a character named after a religious figure with references to fact that the name wasn't just arbitrarily named that.  I am not into comics so I can not give examples.  He had that "Comic Book Guy" from the Simpsons attitude so I felt like what he was saying was accurate.  If this is untrue, then somebody let me know.
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Post by: Neoadept on October 08, 2008, 12:39:39 pm
Aside from Adam, I'm not seeing a lot of correlation between names and actions, which makes me think it's a coincidence.  Get back to me if Peter declares himself the leader of everyone with powers after another main character dies.

As for Adam, I also agree that he is the first person with powers, and perhaps the only with naturally manifested powers. Future episodes will verify or brake this theory, but I'm guessing that everyone else has manufactured powers from the formula made using Adam's DNA.

Well, I can see Adam being the first, but the only one who has powers naturally?  Considering how many different powers we've seen, if only briefly, I doubt the company went around injecting everyone at birth.  Especially since the company has to go out and find these people.  If the powers were artificial you'd think they would just be on a list.  Hm, with all this talk of Adam being the first hero, and with him starting off as a drunkard in japan, I'm starting to think that we're coming up on a "Hiro, I am your ancestor" deal.

And I wonder why Mohinder can't find a power suppressor.  Isn't that exactly what the virus Sylar had did?  He definitely didn't seem like he was dying.  And while we're on Sylar...  If he's only a villain because his power gives him The Hunger, why did he still spend the entire last season finding a way to regain his power with the specific intent of killing more people for their powers?  His power wasn't influencing him then you have to come to the conclusion that he's just not a good person.

Now, I wonder what power Barbara has...
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Post by: Person21 on October 08, 2008, 01:13:50 pm
Didn't future Peter mention that not everyone is born with powers, some are made?


Also, just pretend that anything in season 2 that contradicts season 3 never happened.
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Post by: Gungnir on October 08, 2008, 03:23:08 pm
Aside from Adam, I'm not seeing a lot of correlation between names and actions, which makes me think it's a coincidence.  Get back to me if Peter declares himself the leader of everyone with powers after another main character dies.

As for Adam, I also agree that he is the first person with powers, and perhaps the only with naturally manifested powers. Future episodes will verify or brake this theory, but I'm guessing that everyone else has manufactured powers from the formula made using Adam's DNA.

Well, I can see Adam being the first, but the only one who has powers naturally?  Considering how many different powers we've seen, if only briefly, I doubt the company went around injecting everyone at birth.  Especially since the company has to go out and find these people.  If the powers were artificial you'd think they would just be on a list.  Hm, with all this talk of Adam being the first hero, and with him starting off as a drunkard in japan, I'm starting to think that we're coming up on a "Hiro, I am your ancestor" deal.

And I wonder why Mohinder can't find a power suppressor.  Isn't that exactly what the virus Sylar had did?  He definitely didn't seem like he was dying.  And while we're on Sylar...  If he's only a villain because his power gives him The Hunger, why did he still spend the entire last season finding a way to regain his power with the specific intent of killing more people for their powers?  His power wasn't influencing him then you have to come to the conclusion that he's just not a good person.

Now, I wonder what power Barbara has...


Uhh..wow, you make a really good point. Contradictions, contradictions...
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Post by: cloud_dog_9 on October 08, 2008, 03:53:02 pm
Aside from Adam, I'm not seeing a lot of correlation between names and actions, which makes me think it's a coincidence.  Get back to me if Peter declares himself the leader of everyone with powers after another main character dies.

As for Adam, I also agree that he is the first person with powers, and perhaps the only with naturally manifested powers. Future episodes will verify or brake this theory, but I'm guessing that everyone else has manufactured powers from the formula made using Adam's DNA.

Well, I can see Adam being the first, but the only one who has powers naturally?  Considering how many different powers we've seen, if only briefly, I doubt the company went around injecting everyone at birth.  Especially since the company has to go out and find these people.  If the powers were artificial you'd think they would just be on a list.  Hm, with all this talk of Adam being the first hero, and with him starting off as a drunkard in japan, I'm starting to think that we're coming up on a "Hiro, I am your ancestor" deal.

And I wonder why Mohinder can't find a power suppressor.  Isn't that exactly what the virus Sylar had did?  He definitely didn't seem like he was dying.  And while we're on Sylar...  If he's only a villain because his power gives him The Hunger, why did he still spend the entire last season finding a way to regain his power with the specific intent of killing more people for their powers?  His power wasn't influencing him then you have to come to the conclusion that he's just not a good person.

Now, I wonder what power Barbara has...


Uhh..wow, you make a really good point. Contradictions, contradictions...

Unless he was addicted to the "feeling" (like a serial killer gets, he gets a 'high' from killing) and that is what caused him to want to get his power back.  If you remember in the 2nd season when he killed the shapeshifter girl he still cut open her head (albeit manually) and he still was able to find the spot in her brain that gave her the power.  I have a theory that Sylar didn't originally have power, instead he had an understanding.  This may be out there, but it almost helps with some contradictions.  And did anybody seem like they were dying when they had the virus?  I ask because I don't remember.
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Post by: Person21 on October 09, 2008, 09:02:04 am
Wasn't the understanding Sylars power in the first place?
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Post by: martyk on October 09, 2008, 06:21:44 pm
Don't you remeber the most important thing?  Sylar wants to be special.  That's why he went to get his powers back.  Not because of the hunger, but because he couldn't stand to be normal.
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Post by: smurfslayer on October 09, 2008, 07:02:35 pm
Characters have the lamest motivations in this show...
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Post by: cloud_dog_9 on October 10, 2008, 07:29:23 am
Characters have the lamest motivations in this show...

He must not be a fan...
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Post by: smurfslayer on October 10, 2008, 08:20:30 am
I am actually. I've seen every episode so far. It just bugs me sometimes how inhuman the characters can act sometimes and massive gaps in logic that exist in the show.
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Post by: cloud_dog_9 on October 10, 2008, 09:56:44 am
What other massive logic gaps do you see?  I would love to discuss them.
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Post by: cloud_dog_9 on October 10, 2008, 11:21:57 am
What other massive logic gaps do you see?  I would love to discuss them.

How about when Hiro or Peter travel to the future, they never encounter atheist otters? ;D

>> I was disturbed that the super triplets only included only one of the 'dead' twins... presumably making one of the twins completely imaginary. <<

Hmmm...

That's assuming there aren't more.
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Post by: Inkling on October 11, 2008, 12:04:59 pm
Finally saw the newest episode last night:

The Doctor was being less than truthful, there could very well be more than three of them, though I doubt it.

I also think that whatever changed Sylar into a loving dad might be happening soon.  The kid looked about four to me.
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Post by: Celdur on October 13, 2008, 08:12:39 am
this post holds a hidden message wOOooOOooOOoo

so i catched up just now...i really dont know where this is going...its all over the place

what was the hatian doing in that theatre? i thought at first that he was going to take the formula of the girl but later that proved to be false...but then what was he doing there? and what was in the briefcase?
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Post by: Neoadept on October 13, 2008, 09:32:13 am
Quick, get out your secret decoder ring!

He was moving the other half of the formula to a more secure location.  Fast girl was there to steal it from him, but couldn't until Ando knocked him out.

Also, Remember to drink your ovaltine!
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Post by: smurfslayer on October 13, 2008, 07:05:28 pm
I'm not sure I can watch this show anymore.... I mean Hiro killing Ando was the single stupidest most inhuman thing I've ever seen on TV. There is no way in hell that he would just randomly kill his best friend so he could prove that he's "badass". Unless the next episodes shows that he somehow faked this, I think I've had it with this show. It seems like this shows idea of making things "gray" and "complex" is to just ignore everything that a character has done before and make the act completely differently with little to no motivation.
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Post by: Neoadept on October 13, 2008, 07:17:43 pm
I can say that that was an awesome episode.

Peter is the villain he always should have been!

Sylar is still wavering between good person and terrible person, but he can pull it off.

Hiro does something right, but oh so wrong, and now Ando is set to be a baddie.  At first I thought he was going to fake by zapping him out of the room and saying "swords are too messy" or something.  I think that he thinks that Ando is dead, he probably justified it by saying "well, he's going to kill me, this is just preemptive comeback."  After seeing Ando murder him in the future, I think this is actually a little expected.  I'm guessing Ando will come back.

I look forward to seeing what they do with Adam.

Mat's dad is back, and Peter's dad is seen for the first time.  And the ghost of Linderman is explained.

It looks like Heroes is back on track.
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Post by: Inkling on October 13, 2008, 09:10:37 pm
For once I saw the show on monday instead of later in the week online.

I was very surprised by Hiro stabbing Ando, but there's no way he's dead.  Ando has every reason to zap Hiro now.

Mohindir gets more like The Fly every episode.  It's gonna get weird when Nathan comes to see him next week.  The puppet guy was just plain creepy.  I didn't realize that was Parkman's dad planting Linderman in people's head until neo said so.  And Pappa Petrelli is just creepy.

Is there anyone on the show who isn't in a grey zone now?  The only one I can think of Is Parkman, and that's only because he's in the desert talking to a turtle.
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Post by: cloud_dog_9 on October 14, 2008, 07:39:57 am
The only thing that confuses me is why didn't Sylar use his super hearing to listen in on HRG's and Claire's conversation with Mr. Vortex?  I mean I can almost buy into it that Sylar is "transforming" into a hero (as opposed to a villian) and therefore trusts HRG, but it seemed like he was curious to what they were talking about...  I am also curious to how Parkman's dad came back after being trapped in that telopathy induced comma from Season 2.  Again I can almost buy into the fact that Parkman's dad is more powerful.  I also agree that Hiro's assassination of Ando was hookey.  I wasn't that shocked.  Here is an interesting question that I have after this episode:  So far all the heroes have some sort of tie to the Company. except one: Maya.  How does she tie to the company?
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Post by: Celdur on October 14, 2008, 08:50:03 am
could you guys please say when you saw a new episode...i didnt know there was a new one so i read the spoiler part of a post...and poo

so when you saw a new episode and are 1st to post about it...say its a new one please

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Post by: cloud_dog_9 on October 14, 2008, 12:39:38 pm
I think the title is clear... spoiler's written in white...
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Post by: MetallicDragon on October 14, 2008, 12:52:43 pm
Yes, but I was checking this topic last night before it was supposed to air and someone had already seen it and spoiled it. Just a quick note that you're talking about the newest episode first would be nice.
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Post by: Gungnir on October 14, 2008, 05:47:27 pm
...Wow.

Hiro is a complete *******. I think Ando is justified in killing him. Hiro...is just stupid now. I can see how he thinks he's doing the right thing, but many evil people think they're doing the right thing. Hiro is on the dark path definitely now..

Suresh...man, what the hell. He needs to get his hands on that stolen formula.

Linderman...ooo! It as matt's dad the whole time! Cool! How'd he escape? And mr. petrelli...Hmm, what's his power?

And claire isn't completely invincible! She's vulnerable to vortexes. :p
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Post by: Netherflare on October 14, 2008, 07:40:47 pm
That was a great episode! WOOT!

Here: I think Hiro killed Ando, but knows he can travel through time and will probably just go back in time and stop himself from killing Ando... or something along those lines...

I very much dislike Suresh because of what he did to Miya.

So Mr. Petrelli can immobilize things... interesting... But he didnt look much like the guy from the photo of the whole "company photo"

The Puppet guy is starting to give me the chills. And i want to know why Fire lady decided to go there if she knew what he could do...

I hope that Micah and Monica are going to appear again. I liked the New Orleans thing.

And they better get some French up in here. When they showed that Dafny lived in Paris i thought they were introducing a new language of people speaking. That is one thing that interested me in this show was how real they made it seem.

Cant wait for next week.
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Post by: smurfslayer on October 14, 2008, 07:46:19 pm
People seem to be missing something: Hiro can't go back in time and save Ando. If he did that then everything that happened after that would be undone. Of course, the writers probably have a horrible grasp on how time travel works so it'll happen anyway.
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Post by: ilikesanta on October 14, 2008, 08:16:24 pm
Hmmm If memory serves me, Papa Pertrelli doesn't have powers or I should say doesn't have powers naturally. If you ever read the online comic books, we learned that Papa Pertrelli and Linderman were in Nam together and after the war they started the company. That's where the one of them one of us comes from because Linderman had powers and Mr Pertrelli didn't. I also think that's how Mr. Pertrelli hooked up with Ms. Pertrelli they were partners back in the day.

Back to my point, I guessing Mr. Pertrelli was one of the first human test subjects of the formula.

Then again I could be wrong.

I should read the comic again, I haven't read it sense the end of the first season.
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Post by: cloud_dog_9 on October 15, 2008, 06:02:27 am
Two questions:

Is the online cominc worth reading?  And how long is it?
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Post by: ilikesanta on October 15, 2008, 05:31:30 pm
Two questions:

Is the online comic worth reading?  And how long is it?

They're not bad. They often give back story on the lesser characters, or show how things in the future got the way they are. Each one is about 4 or 5 pages and they come out once a week, and they usually keep going during the summer. They're up to issue 107.

It's worth checking out if you like to know all there is to know about Heroes.

Heroes Online Comic (http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/novels_library.shtml)
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Post by: Celdur on October 16, 2008, 09:36:04 am
just saw the new episde... i dont like hiro being a bad guy...it just doesnt fit him at all
maybe he just joins the group to find out some information and then he will go back in time and not kill ando...or something...

mohinder's fly spoof is kinda lame...i mean how is that a superpower? spiderman has spider powers...but he doesnt want to eat people or whatever
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Post by: Doctor Z on October 16, 2008, 11:45:16 am
Of course Spiderman eats people. He's just a trapdoor spider. He's so fast you don't see it.
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Post by: Netherflare on October 16, 2008, 07:20:46 pm
I hope that i dont need to watch the Webisodes/Online comics to comprehend what is going on in the regular season...
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Post by: cloud_dog_9 on October 17, 2008, 05:50:44 am
Is it just me or does anybody else think this article is unfair?  If you haven't watched season 3 it contains a ton of spoilers.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27201601/

I mean I have watched everything that is Heroes thus far and I have been so entertained.  It is a great show.  I think some critics are prematurely calling for its cancellation.  Maybe I just suspend my reality when I watch it.  The author of this show doesn't seem like he was watched the previous two seasons, or was very bitter over season two.  I maybe more inclined to go with the latter.  I mean, sure season two couldn't compare with season one, but don't go selling a show off because of a mediocre season two.  There are some similar story arcs, starting off, but how will those arcs chage?  That was the beauty of season one, we didn't now where it was going.  How do we know how this season is going to end?

I was not a big fan of Lost, but was there similar outcry after 2.5 seasons?  I am not sure of this, I guess it is a hope that this show will not get cancelled.
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Post by: smurfslayer on October 17, 2008, 07:19:19 am
I actually agree with what most of that article said. Heroes is an entertaining show with a lot of cool stuff going on, but it's very poorly written.
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Post by: Celdur on October 17, 2008, 07:25:12 am
it hasnt gone downhill and its a great show

but it has some weird morale choices here and there
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Post by: Neoadept on October 20, 2008, 06:05:54 pm
New episode.

Sweet Spaghetti Monster, Hiro is awesome and we should never have doubted him. ;D
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Post by: Neoadept on October 20, 2008, 07:00:07 pm
Sorry, forgot, fixed now.

Seriously though, great episode.

Hiro not only made up for what he did by not doing it, the whole thing with dealing with a precog was fantastic.

Mat is just...  Well, "high five, turtle," about sums it up  :D

I was kind of hoping that Adam would be around more, but this does explain Peter and Sylar's powers...

Puppet man was great.

And yay for humanizing Daphne.

I wonder if this is how they finally get rid of the deus ex machina that is Peter...
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Post by: cloud_dog_9 on October 20, 2008, 07:02:38 pm
I dare anybody to tell me Heroes is not back after that episode.
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Post by: smurfslayer on October 20, 2008, 07:07:21 pm
Yeah, I'll admit that last episode was quite good. I especially liked Hiro getting repeatedly hit over the head with the shovel.The show actually made me laugh out loud for once.
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Post by: Inkling on October 20, 2008, 10:36:40 pm
Hiro and Ando are at their best when used for comedic effect.  They're the classic comic duo, like Abbot and Costello, Laurel and Hardy, R2-D2 and C3PO.  Umm, further comments later.
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Post by: cloud_dog_9 on October 21, 2008, 05:18:12 am
I will admit that the Hiro and Ando duo did give the show its comic touch back.
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Post by: Celdur on October 21, 2008, 05:27:26 am
hiro and ando hiro and ando...as far as i know ando just died

thanks guys  ::)
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Post by: Neoadept on October 21, 2008, 05:32:09 am
Why do you come in here on Tuesdays?  You know we're just going to be talking about the new episode.
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Post by: Celdur on October 21, 2008, 05:33:22 am
alright...now i know its on tuesdays then...but still
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Post by: DarkDragon on October 21, 2008, 07:23:39 am
Ok, this gets more and more confusing as time goes:

Hiro killing Ando without hesitation? what was that all about?
Claire "evil" is confusing me, maybe it's because she can no longer feel anything at all.
I felt sorry for Sylar when his son died :(
Peter is dumb
Mohinder is stupid

That's pretty much it xD
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Post by: cloud_dog_9 on October 21, 2008, 08:07:36 am
Ok, this gets more and more confusing as time goes:

Hiro killing Ando without hesitation? what was that all about?
Claire "evil" is confusing me, maybe it's because she can no longer feel anything at all.
I felt sorry for Sylar when his son died :(
Peter is dumb
Mohinder is stupid

That's pretty much it xD

Did you watch this past weeks episode.  Even though what you are saying about Hiro is stupid, it kind of makes up for it.
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Post by: DarkDragon on October 21, 2008, 08:13:12 am
Ok, this gets more and more confusing as time goes:

Hiro killing Ando without hesitation? what was that all about?
Claire "evil" is confusing me, maybe it's because she can no longer feel anything at all.
I felt sorry for Sylar when his son died :(
Peter is dumb
Mohinder is stupid

That's pretty much it xD

Did you watch this past weeks episode.  Even though what you are saying about Hiro is stupid, it kind of makes up for it.

The last I saw was episode 5, dunno if any more came out since then.
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Post by: Celdur on October 21, 2008, 08:22:13 am
watch 6 dragon...it explains everything and makes it awesome >.>

yeah i saw it too now

man that was probably the best episode yet

edit: i wonder if peter still has the power to take powers...if not then he is pretty much done for...
and wasnt there a time where peters father was 'good'? ...they lock away dangerous crimenals while this guy could just take the powers away :P
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Post by: cloud_dog_9 on October 21, 2008, 09:36:34 am
Potiental Spoiler:  Probably about the time that Papa Petrilli went bad was when he "died..."  Didn't the first season say he committed suicide?  I still think Peter has Sylar's ability.  I am still convinced that Sylar's ability is just that... an ability, not a power.
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Post by: Miclee on October 21, 2008, 01:57:32 pm
Well...
I think that Claire is not "bad", she is just starting to see things from other people's perspectives.
Parkman and his turtle... Wow. Daphne thought he was crazy.
Papa P. didn't know about Peter having Sylar's power. How will this play out?
I think that Peter was also experimented on, giving him the powers. I think Adam may have too. I think Papa P's actual power is to take AND GIVE powers, not naturally.
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Post by: Person21 on October 21, 2008, 02:45:50 pm
They went back to feudal Japan to give someone powers?
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Post by: DarkDragon on October 27, 2008, 06:27:54 pm
I've finally seen episode 6, that certainly explains a lot of things.

Spoilers
Hiro getting hit with the shovel twice made me laugh hard  ;D
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Post by: cloud_dog_9 on October 28, 2008, 09:00:23 am
Spoiler:So did anybody else get excited when Sylar came to Peter's rescue?
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Post by: Inkling on October 28, 2008, 11:44:16 am
I think I can say, without it being a spoiler, that the Petrelli's are one effed up family.

So I was eating breakfast this morning and flipping through the channels.  I landed on PBS and Sesame Street, and for a split second I thought Sylar was on the show.  Turns out it was just Ben Stiller.  Then Ben put on a cheese costume and started singing, so I changed the channel.

"NOOO!  Run Grover! Run before Sylar eats your brain!!'
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Post by: cloud_dog_9 on October 28, 2008, 11:55:34 am
I think I can say, without it being a spoiler, that the Petrelli's are one effed up family.

So I was eating breakfast this morning and flipping through the channels.  I landed on PBS and Sesame Street, and for a split second I thought Sylar was on the show.  Turns out it was just Ben Stiller.  Then Ben put on a cheese costume and started singing, so I changed the channel.

"NOOO!  Run Grover! Run before Sylar eats your brain!!'

I think we should start a petition to have Zachary Quinto on Sesame Street.  Highest.  Rating.  Ever.
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Post by: Ultimatum on October 28, 2008, 04:10:13 pm
Sesame Street is still running?
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Post by: Ultimatum on October 28, 2008, 04:28:19 pm
As in its still be produced?
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Post by: cloud_dog_9 on October 28, 2008, 06:08:21 pm
As in its still be produced?
I looked at the wiki article and the yahoo TV page, and it seems that it still is.  I remember watching that and Mr. Rogers Neighborhood when I was a kid.  Good times.
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Post by: Celdur on October 29, 2008, 06:38:49 am
heh...nathans girls are opposites in power >.>

i wonder what this build up is going to... everyone is going to that pinehearst place
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Post by: cloud_dog_9 on October 29, 2008, 06:46:12 am
heh...nathans girls are opposites in power >.>

i wonder what this build up is going to... everyone is going to that pinehearst place
I notice this also.  What is interesting is the one I would assume that would be good (ice) was not in Momma P's dream.
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Post by: DarkDragon on October 29, 2008, 07:50:18 am
Well, they're not really opposites since fire melts ice but yeah I see the relationship
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Post by: Celdur on October 29, 2008, 08:42:32 am
more like oposites as in temperature
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Post by: emmet on October 29, 2008, 10:11:48 am
Wouldn't the opposite of ice in temperature be steam?
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Post by: cloud_dog_9 on October 29, 2008, 10:26:15 am
Wouldn't the opposite of ice in temperature be steam?

In theory you are correct.  I guess they were going for extremes and since fire has more "in your face factor" than steam, they went with fire.
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Post by: MetallicDragon on October 29, 2008, 10:55:59 am
Well her power isn't to make ice, it's to make things cold. That is the opposite of fire, is it not?
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Post by: cloud_dog_9 on October 29, 2008, 12:01:01 pm
Well her power isn't to make ice, it's to make things cold. That is the opposite of fire, is it not?

Even better point...
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Post by: DarkDragon on October 31, 2008, 04:35:07 pm
Spoilers (episodes 6 & 7)
I don't think Peter lost his powers completely, here's why:

Let's think about it in computer terms, peter absorbs powers on proximity while his father absorbs and removes powers on touch:

- As soon as peter got near his father he automatically got all of his fathers powers, including the power to "cut & paste" powers.

- So, now peter has all his powers, his fathers powers including his fathers original power.

- His father removes his powers but remember this, his father removed peters powers because (in computer terms) he "cut & paste"'d them but he his body had no need to remove his own powers because he already had them meaning that he might have taken all of Peters powers except his own... including his original power, meaning that Peter will be able to use his fathers powers and get it all back eventually (he does have his powers back in the future)
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Post by: Celdur on October 31, 2008, 06:05:33 pm
thats just guessing...and i think its too far fetched he just sucks m out...if peter ever gets his powers back it will be through a needle
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Post by: DarkDragon on October 31, 2008, 06:51:06 pm
thats just guessing...and i think its too far fetched he just sucks m out...if peter ever gets his powers back it will be through a needle

Yeah but I doubt the needle would give him the same exact power, besides we've seen stranger things in Heroes than my theory  ;D
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Post by: smurfslayer on November 01, 2008, 11:04:41 am
Your theory can't be true simply because the writers wouldn't make something that bizarre and convoluted. This show is meant to appeal to a mainstream audience.
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Post by: Neoadept on November 01, 2008, 11:36:38 am
And yet Lost is still popular...

Anyway, I'm kind of hoping that this is the last we'll see of Peter, at least as a god powerful guy.  I'd be ok with him still being in the show as someone coming to terms with the fact that he isn't special, that he can't save the world anymore.  Maybe join the company as "one of us."  Hell, maybe Sylar would be his partner.  I'm just tired of him screwing up every time he uses his powers.

And I wouldn't trust the future for information, they've shown before that the time line is variable.  Perhaps future Peter had his powers because he never went to see his father, because in his time line he never went to the future to get Sylar's powers, and so never got locked up in the present, and so never got pulled into his father's plans until much later.  Remember:  They already used the butterfly effect once, further time travel can cause further changes.
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Post by: DarkDragon on November 01, 2008, 12:53:33 pm
And yet Lost is still popular...

Anyway, I'm kind of hoping that this is the last we'll see of Peter, at least as a god powerful guy.  I'd be ok with him still being in the show as someone coming to terms with the fact that he isn't special, that he can't save the world anymore.  Maybe join the company as "one of us."  Hell, maybe Sylar would be his partner.  I'm just tired of him screwing up every time he uses his powers.

And I wouldn't trust the future for information, they've shown before that the time line is variable.  Perhaps future Peter had his powers because he never went to see his father, because in his time line he never went to the future to get Sylar's powers, and so never got locked up in the present, and so never got pulled into his father's plans until much later.  Remember:  They already used the butterfly effect once, further time travel can cause further changes.

There's a little flaw with that theory though, if future peter hadn't lost his powers he wouldn't have the scar, I'm guessing he got the scar while he had no powers.
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Post by: Neoadept on November 01, 2008, 01:28:26 pm
Ah, but they killed future him with the Haitian, I'm guessing he could have gotten the scar the same way.

But that might just be wishful thinking on my part.  Let's face it, Peter isn't a Villain himself, but he enables them.  Who was going to nuke New York?  Peter.  Who was going to unleash the doom virus?  Peter.  Who messed with the time line and made things worse?  Peter, who proves that he will still be screwing up five years from now.  Who jut made daddy Petrelli just as god powerful as he used to be?  Peter.

The entire premise of the series seems to be:  Peter has either screwed up already or is going to in the near future, and everyone else must clean up his mess.  After the first season they realized this and shoved him in jail, but now he's out and about acting like he's a hero instead of a screw up.

<_<
>_>

...That turned into a rant.
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Post by: DarkDragon on November 01, 2008, 02:18:02 pm
I guess losing his powers for now is good for him, maybe he will "grow up" because of that and then get his powers back.
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Post by: Inkling on November 01, 2008, 02:36:48 pm
I doubt that. Peter? Grow up?  Nah, he's going to mope around and be emo about it until he gets his powers back or dies heroically.
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Post by: cloud_dog_9 on November 01, 2008, 05:13:15 pm
I doubt that. Peter? Grow up?  Nah, he's going to mope around and be emo about it until he gets his powers back or dies heroically.

To tell you the truth I thought that was going to happen in the first season...
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Post by: DarkDragon on November 01, 2008, 06:21:01 pm
There must be a reason why they kept him so far, they probably have something good planned.
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Post by: Gungnir on November 04, 2008, 09:53:36 am
Meh. No new episode til next week.

Damned election...
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Post by: Inkling on November 04, 2008, 12:50:06 pm
Well, I thought the SNL thing was kind of funny.  It needed more of the old political skits.

Lock Box.
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Post by: ilikesanta on November 10, 2008, 10:23:30 pm
Am I really the first one to comment on the latest episode? I guess I shouldn't be too surprised because *Spoilers* It was terrible *end Spoilers*

I liked all the episodes in this season up until now, lets hope this isn't a new trend.
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Post by: Gungnir on November 11, 2008, 04:07:12 pm
I will agree with you there, chitoes.  I really want someone who is heinous in a more interesting way...
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Post by: MetallicDragon on November 11, 2008, 07:13:44 pm
I find this new villain very interesting. He has a backstory, motivation, and the power.

Also, the episode ended with a cliffhanger involving Hiro. I think we'll be seeing from time travel at the beginning of the next episode, yeah?
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Post by: MetallicDragon on November 11, 2008, 10:54:20 pm
So... The post vision cliffhanger with Hiro was actually still part of the vision quest, and so Hiro being forewarned will be able to avoid it?

That's what I'm thinking will happen.
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Post by: smurfslayer on November 17, 2008, 07:03:32 pm
Damn, that was easily the best episode of the season. Every scene, every plot, just worked so well.
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Post by: Neoadept on November 17, 2008, 07:12:32 pm
I'm not so sure, I liked some parts, but making Sylar's powers empathic?  I liked them the way they were, the choice between killing for power and remaining normal gave his power more weight than Peter's, a dynamic I particularly liked given his current change of heart.

Oh, and I'm not sure how they intend to make the Claire thing work.  Wasn't everyone pretty far away from her when they got their powers?  Not to mention the generation that came before she did.  I guess they could claim that Adam was a catalyst too, but that doesn't explain how they got their powers half a world away from either of them. :-\

Hiro was great though.  I love how he was actually more skeptical when he was ten than when he got his powers.  :D
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Post by: Doomsday on November 18, 2008, 12:31:15 pm
I'm not so sure, I liked some parts, but making Sylar's powers empathic?  I liked them the way they were, the choice between killing for power and remaining normal gave his power more weight than Peter's, a dynamic I particularly liked given his current change of heart.

Oh, and I'm not sure how they intend to make the Claire thing work.  Wasn't everyone pretty far away from her when they got their powers?  Not to mention the generation that came before she did.  I guess they could claim that Adam was a catalyst too, but that doesn't explain how they got their powers half a world away from either of them. :-\

Hiro was great though.  I love how he was actually more skeptical when he was ten than when he got his powers.  :D

I think making Sylar's Powers is because of Papa Patrelli's Power. What if he gave Sylar Peter's Power? Sylar makes a much better tool to use if he doesn't have to kill everyone to get stronger. Plus Peter and Sylar are blood-brothers so maybe their powers are compatible since they are both Natural-Born, unlike Nathan who is a Manufactured. Sylar's power, as he said in the future, is to know how things work and fit together. I think that that is Sylar's power and this Empathy thing was given to him by Papa P.

The Claire thing makes a lot of sense actually. Claire isn't the catalyst, but something stored in her is the catalyst. It's not so much that she herself is a catalyst but something inside her is. Think of whatever the catalyst as a radio-wave, Claire acts as a Radio Tower broadcasting out the radio wave (and it also has something to do with the Eclipse). In that sense, it is something completely different then her. They've mentioned "host" a lot. It implies that something is living within someone. It could be a personality, a spirit/soul, or something like that. Just think about when Papa P. removes a power, and you see something physically removed from the body. I imagine it's something like that. What that is though, I think it's Uluru.

It's Coming is an awesome tagline. Because there are many answers. It's coming. War. Ulruru. The future. Destruction. Anyone notice that in the Eclipse paintings that the Earth is breaking apart? There are solar flares at the sides but there are holes in the it and you see a piece breaking off. I was just reading some myths about Uluru, and it gave me even more ideas. One Uluru (the real land formation) myth is that the Earth rose up in grief at the bloodshed of a war fought between two sides.

"Two tribes of ancestral spirits who were invited to a feast, but were distracted by the beautiful Sleepy Lizard Women and did not show up. In response, the angry hosts sang evil into a mud sculpture that came to life as the dingo. There followed a great battle, which ended in the deaths of the leaders of both tribes. The earth itself rose up in grief at the bloodshed, becoming Uluru."

I find that particular myth compelling. War is breaking out in the Heroes universe. We see constant references to the world rising up and breaking apart. This war, Claire, Peter, Sylar, Angela, and Papa P will bring about a new body for Uluru. The world may not end, but at the end of this season/arc I expect that a new evil will be unleashed upon the world. But that's just my crack-pot thinking.
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Post by: MetallicDragon on November 18, 2008, 04:38:33 pm
*spoilers*
Or, you know, the catalyst is just a chemical in her. Just literally a catalyst.
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Post by: Gungnir on November 18, 2008, 05:04:49 pm
Or it's her blood. Y'know how injections of her blood heal people? Yeah...maybe that's it. Well, something in her blood, rather.
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Post by: smurfslayer on November 24, 2008, 07:06:50 pm
Or it's her blood. Y'know how injections of her blood heal people? Yeah...maybe that's it. Well, something in her blood, rather.
Yeah, that's exactly what they already said on the show. The catalyst is inside the blood of a human host.

Also, I find it extremely ironic that, at least to me, the show is much more intriguing when the characters don't have superpowers...
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Post by: martyk on November 24, 2008, 09:36:07 pm
That's only because it's different from the norm.  It wouldn't be interesting if they never had powers.
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Post by: Gungnir on November 25, 2008, 04:17:45 pm
So, theories on this eclipse.

I think it will only temporarily disable their powers. Someone is gonna take advantage of this to kill a superhuman...
Or 3.
Claire is one. Sylar is another. And that dude in the jungle, Baron Samedi, is another one, since he has iron-skin normally..or whatever.
Unless it's not temporary....but if it is, what will happen to Mohinder when it's gone?
And wow, sucks for daphne. Pity Linderman isn't alive to heal her...
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Post by: ilikesanta on November 25, 2008, 05:27:47 pm
Well Yeah it's only temporary, let us not forget that Hiro saw another eclipse when he traveled back in time to Japan and still came back with his powers in tacked.
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Post by: Krakow Sam on November 26, 2008, 03:23:23 pm
None of the science in that show is even remotely sensible or realistic. I just shut off the rational part of my brain when i watch it and cuss at the screen whenever Mohinder is on it :P
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Post by: smurfslayer on November 26, 2008, 05:01:53 pm
Yeah, they mentioned that we "only use 10% of our brain" in like the first episode. It was pretty obvious by then that the show wouldn't contain anything resembling real science.
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Post by: Gungnir on November 26, 2008, 10:54:12 pm
It's a magic eclipse....>_>

Meh. Real science? Why would we need that in a show with telekinesis, mind-reading, superhealing, unassisted human flight, spontaneous combustion, and time time travel?

Speaking of time travel....I think their time travel idea is broken, unless when they go into the future they're going into a different universe and when they go back, they go back to their own universe. Otherwise, when peter went into the future in season two and saw all the death/sick people, shouldn't he actually have seen a normal world? I mean, because in the future between then and his present they found the problem and fixed it...therefore it must a be a different universe...thing.
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Post by: Krakow Sam on November 27, 2008, 05:34:46 am
I think its a case of the time travel into the future taking you to the most probable future for the moment you just left. If you go back to your present and screw stuff around then it changes the probability of various stuff happening and you get the good future where everyone is still alive.
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Post by: smurfslayer on November 27, 2008, 08:30:19 am
Meh. Real science? Why would we need that in a show with telekinesis, mind-reading, superhealing, unassisted human flight, spontaneous combustion, and time time travel?
Well, Fringe does it.... sort of.
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Post by: Neoadept on November 27, 2008, 09:56:11 am
The size of the Moon's shadow on earth is not that big.
That's no moon...

Wow, I made that as a joke, but considering all the visions of the earth getting blown up...  And superpowers are caused by a catalyst in the bloodstream...  And Nathan received visions of his dead mentor for awhile...  And it turns out that most of the heroes are related to the big bad...

My god, Tim Kring has become George Lucas.
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Post by: smurfslayer on November 27, 2008, 02:59:18 pm
Worse than the Empire being defeated by adorable teddy bear people?
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in beige)*
Post by: smurfslayer on November 27, 2008, 08:28:43 pm
In all honesty, Matt is the only character I consistently like. He seems to be the only one that makes choices which actually make some sense.
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Post by: Gungnir on November 27, 2008, 09:35:56 pm
Matt seems like the most down-to-earth guy...he's cool.
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Post by: smurfslayer on November 28, 2008, 07:58:09 am
Peter: "I have to save everyone!"
Hiro: "I need to fulfill my destiny!"
Claire: "I have to constantly put myself in danger!"
Angela: "I need to manipulate everyone around me!"
Matt: "I really want to make it with this Daphne chick."

Can you find the difference?
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Post by: Neoadept on November 28, 2008, 08:09:01 am
Matt and Hiro are the only characters I still like.  For awhile I was a fan of Sylar, but instead of giving him genuine character development they're making him look plain indecisive.  Since being captured by the company he's switched allegiance almost every other episode.  It's like he'll do anything for the last person to speak to him privately.

Oh, and Bennet, because he's actually competent at his job and has a consistent character and motive.
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Post by: Krakow Sam on November 28, 2008, 09:10:46 am
You forgot Ando. Ando is a good character.  :)
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Post by: Netherflare on November 30, 2008, 08:17:56 pm
I love Noah. He is my favorite.
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Post by: Neoadept on December 01, 2008, 07:06:48 pm
New Episode:  December 1st

Hiro is just plain awesome.

And is anyone else bothered by Issac's comics still being used as plot devices two seasons later?  And it occurs to me:  Who does the dialogue?  Issac painted the future without knowing the images' context, so who determined what they were saying?  And that's without going into the ontological paradox that the comics always create.  Hmm...
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Post by: SpinoC666 on December 01, 2008, 08:06:21 pm
Maybe Isaac sent his comic books to the guy in Africa who can also tell the future. Or he sent them to Angela who dreamt the dialogue.

And this episode officially made me annoyed by Peter.

We also now learn about Sylar's future kid. It is Elle's! OMG!
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Post by: smurfslayer on December 01, 2008, 08:26:58 pm
We also now learn about Sylar's future kid. It is Elle's! OMG!
Um... that kinda doubtful considering that she's kinda missing the top half of her head.

The whole Sylar/Elle relationship was one giant piece of crap. I mean, look at everything that happened: First Elle saves him from committing suicide, then she pushes him into becoming a killer, then she tries to stop him, then he kills her father, then he tries to kill her and screws up her power in the process, then she electrifies him and forgives him, then they fall in love and have sex while HRG watches, then Sylar randomly decides to kill her. What. The. ****. I'm glad that it's over. And now maybe Sylar will actually pick a motive and stick with it for at least a few episodes.
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Post by: ilikesanta on December 01, 2008, 10:08:44 pm
Hiro is just plain awesome.
True dat.
And now maybe Sylar will actually pick a motive and stick with it for at least a few episodes.
No kidding, that one of my major gripes with this season. Oh well at least we have Hiro.
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Post by: emmet on December 02, 2008, 08:37:30 am
The comic book guys are fan service, plan and simple.

I didn't really like how everything returned to normal after the eclipse. They built up to it for a while then gave us an episode that could be removed from canon and there'd only be a few loose ends.

However, everything Hiro did in that episode was
just plain awesome.
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Post by: Gungnir on December 02, 2008, 03:08:54 pm
Mm...I liked it. And yeah....they did the fans a service. I was happy...seth green...heh. Funny...

*wonders if he will show up again.
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Post by: SpinoC666 on December 02, 2008, 04:35:00 pm
Now they never actually showed Elle's forhead being removed. They just show Sylar starting to make the cut and then stopped. So for all we know, something could happen. And we all know they wouldnt get rid of her that easily because she could have done the same thing when Sylar did it before, and that was electricute the living **** out of him.
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Post by: DarkDragon on December 03, 2008, 12:14:46 am
Now they never actually showed Elle's forhead being removed. They just show Sylar starting to make the cut and then stopped. So for all we know, something could happen. And we all know they wouldnt get rid of her that easily because she could have done the same thing when Sylar did it before, and that was electricute the living **** out of him.

I doubt that would do much damage since he has her power too now.
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Post by: Miclee on December 03, 2008, 01:00:00 pm
Now they never actually showed Elle's forhead being removed. They just show Sylar starting to make the cut and then stopped. So for all we know, something could happen. And we all know they wouldnt get rid of her that easily because she could have done the same thing when Sylar did it before, and that was electricute the living **** out of him.

I doubt that would do much damage since he has her power too now.
And Claire's power...  ::)
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Post by: Neoadept on December 08, 2008, 07:48:29 pm
New Episode:  December 8th

Yeah, she's dead.

How the hell did Papa Petrelli know Hiro was in the past?  I get him finding him the first time, he was the one who assigned that mission, but having him show up just as Hiro is explaining things to Claire smells of Deus ex Machina.

And Suresh is slowly losing any and all redeeming aspects he ever had.  At the very least, he used to have a fair bedside manner.  Now he says "I hope this works better on you than it did on me," just before injecting a guy with the formula.  Why would you say that? >:(

At least Sylar is back to his old homicidal habits.  I'm surprised he didn't cut Arthur open, but it's better than the flip flopping he's been doing this season.
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Post by: Doomsday on December 09, 2008, 10:25:15 am
This is why I hate Time Travel episodes. It was an awesome episode with a lot of implications for the future, but anything concerning Time Travel, no matter how well thought out, no matter how strictly one adheres to a plan or design (which is generally bad, to a certain extent, for TV Shows/Dramas and the like as things have to seem natural, rather than planned and linear), inconsistencies and mind-traps occur.

How did Arthur get back in time to stop take Hiro's Powers? That is the pressing question from this. It creates a paradox, and it's always hard to suspend one's (well my) disbelief when faced with these paradoxes. There are several possible scenarios.

1) Arthur already had a limited Time-Jump ability, but it wasn't as complete as Hiro's and perhaps it was only a temporary shift. If this is the case though, why not just jump back in time and take the Catalyst in the first place? Why go through the trouble of even letting the other side form against you? Win before there is even a battle to fight. Despite it's problems, this is probably the least "WTF" scenario I can think of. That Arthur possessed some limited form of Time Manipulation that allowed him to temporarily "jump time", but only in the past and only temporarily.

2) Arthur with Hiro's Powers (I'll call him Arthur B) goes back in time to let Past Arthur (henceforth Arthur A) acquire his Time Travel abilities in order to go back in time and take Hiro's power. This creates a paradox because Arthur B cannot exist. Arthur B only exists because Arthur A went back in time to get the powers. It is something that is impossible and this scenario is perhaps the least likely to occur. Another way this could unfold is Arthur B goes to Arthur A and forcefully sends him to the past, where A becomes B and then repeats the process. Again, unlikely and completely moronic.

3) Hiro gets his Powers back, but switches to Arthur's side. He teleports Arthur to the past to steal his powers, which allows him to go on a journey to get his powers back and become a better person. Perhaps Hiro does this because it exactly leads to a better future. Hiro.... crap.. I'm an idiot.

4) Arthur has all of Peter's Powers and I'm a giant moron. There is no problem. Though the Paradox of Scenario 1 still applies. If he has the ability to travel and stop time, why didn't he use them until now? Go back into the past and steal the power from Hiro's mom. Aiya. I hate Time Episodes, but love Hiro's character and abilities.

Also, it is not unreasonable for Arthur to know where Hiro is, I mean Ninth Wonders is a globally (apparently) published comic book. If he's been following the comics, then he'd have Hiro's location. That's just one possibility. There are numerous other possibilities as well. Arthur possess the ability to paint/draw the future (which for some reason is the past, which is something else that's been bugging me, because both Issac and The Painter had the ability to see the Future, not the past, technically speaking). He could also have a power similar to Molly's (who we've not seen in forever) power, in which he is able to locate people who are special (even across time, which again is really stupid). There are any number of ways they could work this.

Sylar's flip-flopping isn't a bad thing though. He is confused and looking for answers. He doesn't like the Hunger and the part of himself that kills. It's been his entire character from the beginning, but he's come to accept that part of him as being the powerful part. What we saw with his flip-flopping was a character who was at a fork in the road of his life. Take a new path and try for something different, or continue on the way he's always done before? He chose to continue to take the path he knew. This however may not have been out of line with the future Peter and Matt saw. In that future, Sylar settled down. He had a son, named Noah. Everyone thought he was Elle and Gabriel's but what if he was Gabriel and Claire's? What if Claire, ironically (wrong use of the word I know), is the one who puts an end to his hunger after being the target of it for so long? It'd take some really fancy story-telling and incredible acting to pull that off.

That is way to long and no one is going to bother to read it.

Edit: I'm really interested to know what they are really saying in Japanese because a couple of times already I've noticed an inconsistency with what is translated on screen and what they are saying. For example, Hiro's Ka-san (mother) says, "Inayo anata" which that have translated as "It's all right". What she is really saying is something along the lines of "It is fine, Dear." Anata is a term of affection, usually used by couples or relatives... if memory serves...I could be wrong. Please forgive my butchering of the language earlier for those who actually know Japanese, I only know what I know by picking up bits and pieces.
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Post by: MetallicDragon on December 09, 2008, 10:33:48 am
I read it and you raise a lot of good points. I just  suspend my belief during the time travel parts. It created some really great moments, and the plot is finally moving along.
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Post by: smurfslayer on December 09, 2008, 10:35:43 am
Thank god Sylar is awesome again. It should be interesting to see how things play out now. With the catalyst gone, instead of everyone getting powers only a handful of people will. I also find it hilarious how similar the plot has become to The 4400 (the last season was all about a formula that gives people powers, someone rising up as a new world leader, etc.) and this episode even had one of the actors from it!

Also is it like a law or something that every volume has to end with Hiro being stuck somewhere in time?

Edit:

So I made some 'shops......
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i306/jeredude/came.jpg)
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i306/jeredude/cake.jpg)
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Post by: Doomsday on December 09, 2008, 12:21:37 pm
"The whole, "no character has ever seen a monster movie," cliche that they didn't give a moment's though to make sure Papa was going to stay dead... they blew that at the end of season one with Sylar, and now it is the same exact mistake."

Except, They haven't left and given him up for dead yet. Peter is still standing there with the gun in his hand. I half expect him to put another bullet or two in him to make sure he's dead for good, for exactly the same reason you stated. Although I do agree that it is incredibly likely that Arthur is not truly dead anyway. He probably has some of his blood (or some of Claire's blood) stored safely somewhere and one his surrogates will inject it into him bring him back to life if he is really dead. A la Adam-Nathan, and Claire-Noah. That is, if he is really dead.
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Post by: SpinoC666 on December 10, 2008, 05:03:15 pm
Well, i loved this episode and cant wait for next weeks!


That being said: If Arthur is dead, then we need to make sure that they are consistant in having now only 49 more injections left now that the catylst is dead. They said they only made enough of the formula for 50 injections.

Is the army guy going to be good or bad?

And Arthur got Hiro's powers through Peter.
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Post by: smurfslayer on December 10, 2008, 05:16:30 pm
This should interest you guys. http://tv.ign.com/articles/937/937513p1.html

Sounds like the next volume should fix most of our frustrations (or they are lying bastards). Also, superbabies!
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Post by: Neoadept on December 10, 2008, 05:26:56 pm
Wait, the guy behind Pushing Daisies was involved in season one, but not the others?  Suddenly, the drop in quality makes sense.

And Spino, those are the kind of things that should be written in beige.  I'm not sure why people come in here when they don't want to know about an episode they missed, but it's best to play it safe.
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Post by: emmet on December 11, 2008, 06:55:21 am
Do we really need another character with super strength?
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Post by: Krakow Sam on December 11, 2008, 07:20:05 am
Ok, i think I figured out the whole pappa Petrelli Hiro time-travel conundrum while in the shower.

Every time someone goes back in time like that it naturally creates a new 'branch' or universe. This is important.
Up until Hiro went back and got the catalyst from his mother, the 'present' of the series was based in universe A.

In universe A, Claire has the catalyst, Petrelli doesn't know how to get at it.

Hiro goes back and changes the timeline (along with Claire) resulting in a universe B. We don't actually see universe B, but Hiro returns to it, and has a confrontation with Arthur. From this, Arthur learns where and when Hiro got the catalyst, and uses the time travel power he stole from either Peter, or Hiro himself (in a hypothetical future encounter) to travel back to where we saw him, and take the catalyst and powers from Hiro.

This further tampering creates Timeline C, in which neither Claire, nor Hiro have the Catalyst, it has been stolen from the past by Arthur. However, the important thing to remember is that Arthur, Hiro and Claire are all basically from a different universe to this one. So strictly speaking Claire (A) should still have the catalyst, her arrival in the C timeline would somehow destroy or displace the native timeline C Claire who did not have the catalyst. Likewise, Arthur B displaces Arthur C, who did not have the Catalyst.


and thus Krakow Sam solved the problem once and for all...

"but"

ONCE AND FOR ALL!!!
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Post by: smurfslayer on December 11, 2008, 07:51:06 am
The show creators themselves have admitted that the time travel in the show doesn't make any sense. There really is no point in dwelling on it. It's like trying to get the Back to the Future series to make sense. You'll enjoy it a hell of a lot more if you just sit back and take whatever bull**** it gives you.
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Post by: Gungnir on December 11, 2008, 02:51:42 pm
Yeah, Krakow, I was theorizing that same thing to myself in the past seasons...it's the only way it would make sense.
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Post by: Neoadept on December 11, 2008, 06:04:25 pm
Unfortunately it doesn't account for the ontological paradoxes raised by the comics.  Assuming that information being sent to the past (present, whatever) counts as time travel, under your theory it would create an alternate time line.  And yet the events depicted in the comics are impossible unless they were themselves influenced by said comics.  So for those to work, there has to be a single, internally consistent time line.  Except that they change it.

In conclusion, nothing makes sense and it never will.
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Post by: Celdur on December 12, 2008, 05:25:03 am
i dont really think too deeply into this stuff...i mean i still enjoy the show

the biggest gripe i have is the lack of power use
it seems that if you have 8billion powers you will still just use the little hand swipe telekenesis every ****ing time...
come on man i want someone liquified or turned to freaking gold.
also like said before...arthur could go all over the freaking timeline and make his own happy world

and the most rotten thing to happen is hiro being stuck and useles again...this means he wont be on screen as much :P
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Post by: Doomsday on December 12, 2008, 05:07:41 pm
i dont really think too deeply into this stuff...i mean i still enjoy the show

the biggest gripe i have is the lack of power use
it seems that if you have 8billion powers you will still just use the little hand swipe telekenesis every ****ing time...
come on man i want someone liquified or turned to freaking gold.
also like said before...arthur could go all over the freaking timeline and make his own happy world

and the most rotten thing to happen is hiro being stuck and useles again...this means he wont be on screen as much :P

It's his most effective power. Telekinesis is one of the most powerful powers you can have, in terms of physical powers. With a strong enough telekinetic, nearly anything is possible. It's also invisible and as quick as lightning. It's also the cheapest power to reproduce consistently for television.
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Post by: smurfslayer on December 15, 2008, 07:08:36 pm
So that episode was basically awesome. Ando's power is sweet and adds an entire new dynamic to the show. Some things were left a bit unclear though. Are Sylar and Arthur dead? Did Peter just get the ability to fly or does he have his old absorbing power thing back? Does Mohinder have any powers now or not?

The next Volume looks epic though. I can't wait.
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Post by: Neoadept on December 15, 2008, 07:14:36 pm
Season Finale

Well.  On the one hand, I can't believe they gave Peter powers again.  I mean, they didn't even have to, Nathan could have flown himself out.  They could have gotten rid of Peter's god moding so easily.  And they left Hiro powerless.  I wonder if they somehow got the impression that people like Peter and hate Hiro...

On the other Team H[i/e]ro (as Matt, Daphne, Hiro, and Ando will be known from this day forward) was pretty neat.  Hiro may not have powers anymore, but it's like they took all the best characters and put them together.  Wait, that's exactly what they did.  Now all they need is for Bennet to join them and they'll be unstoppable.  ;D

In fact, it's my theory that that's the reason they didn't give Hiro his powers back.  He already controls space and time, if he were super charged he'd essentially be God, or Doctor Manhattan (if there's a difference).
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Post by: Miclee on December 15, 2008, 07:17:12 pm
The prez has powers. Im on my PSP so, more tomorrow
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Post by: smurfslayer on December 15, 2008, 07:17:38 pm
In fact, it's my theory that that's the reason they didn't give Hiro his powers back.  He already controls space and time, if he were super charged he'd essentially be God, or Doctor Manhattan (if there's a difference).
I think you mean super charged Peter or Sylar would be God. I actually really hope they do that at some point.
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Post by: Neoadept on December 15, 2008, 07:36:44 pm
You're probably right, I just try to ignore Peter and can't see Ando juicing Sylar.  :P

And I'm trying to find a reason to get rid of Hiro's power but not Peter's.  It's not to fix time travel, because they found a loophole and Hiro was giving himself rules to follow about it anyway.  It's not because he's too powerful because, you know, Peter.  It's not because he's unpopular.  They just...  Took his powers for no reason...  :'(
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Post by: Celdur on December 16, 2008, 05:48:38 am
there is a ghost in my post! aah

its just some problem that needs to be solved...thats what plots are about right?
anyway...the episode was cool but it ended with too little of a climax imo
seeing chapter 4 it will be prison break with powers or something >.>
and yeah team hero is cool
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Post by: Inkling on December 16, 2008, 09:32:08 am
I couldn't watch the last episode until this morning because my brother was typing a paper in the room with the tv.

So, we have a few cliffhangers. 
Will Hiro get his powers back?  I'm guessing he will, but only after some hilarious hijinks.
 
Who are Sylar's real parents?  I think this plot will be on hold for a while, hopefully they keep Sylar on ice for a bit and let the other characters play around.

What happened to Ando having the Kamehameha wave?  I think this may still show up, since his attack in Hiro's future was the same color as his sparks now.  Maybe it's a concentrated blast that overloads powers or the nervous system, knocking a person out?

I don't think that's the last we'll see of Mr. President, but I'm not sure how his story is going to go.  I can see a remake of the end of Xmen 2 happening, but that would be silly.  And this isn't just fictional Mr. Black President any more, it's a stand in for Obama, or will easily be seen that way by some.  The writers had best tread lightly.
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Post by: Doomsday on December 16, 2008, 12:32:48 pm
But.. It's Micheal Dorn.. It's freakin' Worf. They better not do anything to him and he better come back for at least some episodes next season. That'd be epic. I'm sorry, but I'm a bit of a Trekkie and Micheal Dorn has one of the best voices ever for dramatic roles.

Anyway, yea, nothing to surprising. Though it's nice to see that some of the twists I thought would happen haven't yet. Did anyone notice that Arthur's body disappeared while Nathan was knocked out? I doubt Peter or that Marine would have taken care of it and I do really believe he is still dead (for now). I think Tracy moved the body and is planning to revive Arthur somehow, or maybe just dispose of the body.

There are things that are troubling me though. If Sylar and Peter aren't related, then why are their abilities somewhat similar? Peter's ability, Empathy, is (as I see it) the ability to understand and relate to other peoples emotions (and through that their powers, since they seem linked). Sylar's ability is to understand how things work on a physical level, which comes with a strong desire [hunger] for knowledge. I mean Peter and Sylar have fought on various occasions, so why did he never acquire his ability before he went to the future to get it? Because he could never empathize with Sylar. He could never understand him. That way makes the most sense to me, though that's just what I like to think.

Did anyone else notice that we are basically returning to the first Timeline shown in Season 1, only minus the explosion in New York? I mean Nathan is a Senator who is probably on his way to the Presidency. Heroes are going to be hunted down and subjugated. Sylar is still only temporarily neutralized and could easily come back to take Nathan's place (assuming another Illusion/Shape-Shifting ability is introduced). We've basically returned to the beginning Timeline.
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Post by: Gungnir on December 16, 2008, 01:48:37 pm
Ando is still a sidekick though. He doesn't really do anything unless there are other people with powers nearby...

Anyway...I heard season four is starting after the super bowl?
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Post by: MetallicDragon on December 16, 2008, 01:58:57 pm
I never saw season two, how did Sylar come back from the dead?
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Post by: Doomsday on December 16, 2008, 02:08:10 pm
Ando is still a sidekick though. He doesn't really do anything unless there are other people with powers nearby...[color]

Anyway...I heard season four is starting after the super bowl?

The Monday after.. or some such. February 2nd. Apparently the Super Bowl on February 1, 2009 this year.

Edit: Also about Ando  I don't think of him as just a sidekick, though I did at first but now I dunno. We saw what happened when a Person's powers get amped up when Claire's mom blew herself up. We've seen it several times that when people's powers become unstable they becomes extremely dangerous. What if Ando's power allows him to, in essence, be the perfect "Hero Assassin" by causing a person's powers to spiral out of control, destroying themselves. It's a very dangerous power if used incorrectly.

I never saw season two, how did Sylar come back from the dead?

He never died in the first season. He crawled into the sewers and was recovered by a(n) (assumed rogue) Company Agent and treated for his wound, though not completely healed. He also had caught the Shanti Virus and couldn't access his powers throughout most of the Season.
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Post by: Miclee on December 16, 2008, 06:56:00 pm
Y'know... I was hoping that when Claire jumped through the glass, that a piece of glass had cut that part in the back of her neck. It would've been interesting.
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Post by: Krakow Sam on December 17, 2008, 02:59:16 pm
Hey, did anyone else breathe a sigh of relief when they Finally killed off the lame villains? Fatty puppetmaster dies and Knox gets aha aha... iced. Now I wish they'd bring back Adam. They didn't treat his character properly at all. In season 2 everyone talking about him like he's some sort of god, then Hiro locks him in a coffin for a few weeks, he comes back acting like Spike from Buffy the Vampire Slayer and then gets turned to dust about half an hour later. Give him another chance consarnit!

Also, did anyone notice Mohinder's file at the end? Apparently he had a power all along... activating other people's powers! _
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Post by: Doomsday on December 17, 2008, 03:48:19 pm
Also, did anyone notice Mohinder's file at the end? Apparently he had a power all along... activating other people's powers! _

Sarcasm? 'Cause obviously they are talking about his father's book, "Activating Evolution" as well as mentioning the powers he gave himself with the drug. I mean it's not like Nathan wouldn't have access to that after taking over Pinehearst.
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Post by: Krakow Sam on December 17, 2008, 03:56:43 pm
Oh yeah, I forgot that silly book. All the bad science Mohinder does makes me selectively ignore a lot of stuff relating to him.
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Post by: Neoadept on December 17, 2008, 03:58:42 pm
Hey, remember when Mohinder and Peter looked like they were about to kill each other?  Good times.
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Post by: Mr. Consideration on December 18, 2008, 12:30:50 am
Last two episodes were amazing. Sylar was really on form.


Best scene in Heroes ever: The scene where Sylar kills the Lie Detector woman, then her colleagues bust into the room with cake, and he closes them in. Great moment, made me laugh out loud.
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Post by: Krakow Sam on December 18, 2008, 03:17:10 am
Mohinder

"The catalyst should initiate a chemical change on a molecular level"

Thanks Mohinder. I wasn't aware chemistry worked on the level of molecules, I thought it happened in big lumps. You really opened my eyes.

I don't mind flagrant abuse of science when they talk about Hiro's powers or even when Parkman regurgitates his high school physics knowledge to try to explain some time travel shenanigans. Really it boils down to 'this is basically magic and there's no reason for us to explain' which is fine by me.
But all the Suresh crap is in equal parts patronising and misleading. Hell, its not even internally consistent.
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Post by: Inkling on December 18, 2008, 11:29:34 am
But he's Indian? I thought Indian people were automatically good at science and stuff?
I'm Ron Burgundy?
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Post by: Gungnir on December 18, 2008, 01:18:46 pm
Ok, apparently the next "volume" is part of this season...and it's gonna be twelve more episodes. Ok, I'm a bit more satisfied now.
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Post by: Celdur on December 18, 2008, 01:23:31 pm
so next week we will still have episodes?
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Post by: Gungnir on December 18, 2008, 01:47:01 pm
Nah, after the super bowl, apparently. According to OpDDay...
"The Monday after.. or some such. February 2nd. Apparently the Super Bowl on February 1, 2009 this year."
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Post by: SpinoC666 on December 18, 2008, 03:18:36 pm
Yeah, lets get this right:

1st Season was also the Volume 1
2nd Season was also Volume 2
3rd Season (The one that is happening currently) just finished Volume 3, and will start Volume 4 after the Superbowl Sunday.

Correct?
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Post by: MetallicDragon on December 18, 2008, 04:19:14 pm
It sounds like it. I've already heard about an episode 19 and 20 so I know there's more to this season.
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Post by: Krakow Sam on December 18, 2008, 05:14:54 pm
She just ran really fast backwards. Doy.

I think the weird numbering of the volumes and having two this season is partly due to the fact the second season was considered such a flub. A fair amount of the plot points in volume 3 are fairly similar to what was happening in volume 2, only... less crap because the writers aren't ons trike any more. Now they've satisfied whatever goals they had for putting right what went wrong in volume 2 they can move onto where they would have been had there not been a writer's strike... or something.
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Post by: smurfslayer on December 18, 2008, 07:27:50 pm
You guys do realize that Season 2 was also supposed to be two volumes as well, right? The only reason it was only one was because of the damn strike.
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Post by: Doomsday on December 18, 2008, 07:31:27 pm
Yoda says, "Annoying it is... that Ando's turbo made Speedster go so fast they went back in time, but traveling forward in time (to get back) didn't make sense... even Comic Book Time Travel doesn't work that way!"

THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH! I was thinking the same damn thing most of the day yesterday and some this morning. I just forgot to mention it here. Luckily it didn't ruin the immersion until I stopped to think about it.
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Post by: Neoadept on December 18, 2008, 07:44:33 pm
I just worked under the assumption that they were running at relativistic speeds, just below the speed of light, to get back.  It's not going forward in time so much as changing their reference frame so that they don't have to wait more than a few minutes for for all those years to pass.

Honestly, Team H[e/i]ro's technobabble is the most scientifically minded part of the entire season.  Most of the rest isn't even defined, they never even explained the catalyst beyond "it gives people powers, even though most people weren't exposed to it until after they got powers."
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Post by: Celdur on December 19, 2008, 03:50:52 am
didnt superman rewind time by flying so fast it turned the world backwards or something? >.>

i find this allot less silly than superman...then again he wears a silly suit
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Post by: Krakow Sam on December 19, 2008, 05:14:48 am
Neo! OF COURSE the other stuff is explained. The catalyst gives people powers by altering molecules on a chemical level and exploding people's DNA at a molecular level, to activate the next step of human evolution and give people powers over the laws of physics using concentrated eclipse energy to activate gorloks in their mitochondrial sequences!
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Post by: emmet on December 19, 2008, 09:56:36 am
So, like a really good protein shake!

It's all so simple now!
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Post by: Inkling on December 19, 2008, 01:46:43 pm
Oh, another thing about the lat episode, Why did they have to kill off the marine so quickly?  I liked him, they were building him up as a sympathetic character, then he gets sucker-neck-broken after having powers for all of 15 minutes.
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Post by: ilikesanta on December 19, 2008, 01:48:40 pm
Oh, another thing about the lat episode, Why did they have to kill off the marine so quickly?  I liked him, they were building him up as a sympathetic character, then he gets sucker-neck-broken after having powers for all of 15 minutes.

I was wondering what happened there, I looked away from the TV, I turn back and he's never seen again.
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Post by: Doomsday on December 19, 2008, 03:57:10 pm
Mostly because after season 2 it seems that they are afraid of criticism of to many characters around at once. That, and it was for shock value.
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Post by: MetallicDragon on December 19, 2008, 04:08:52 pm
What I got from it was that you need more than just powers to be a hero.
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Post by: Doctor Z on December 19, 2008, 04:32:36 pm
Also that anyone can die.

At any time.

For no reason.

At all.

Aside from to prove that anyone can die. At any time. For no reason. At all.

Aside from the above.
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Post by: Krakow Sam on December 19, 2008, 05:24:25 pm
Oh, another thing about the lat episode: *thing*

I was actually glad when he got killed off. I think his presence injected an annoying amount of heavy-handed political commentary that I doubt the makers of heroes would have handled well. I also found him rather annoying and his power was somewhat boring. Also that neck-snap was awesome.
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Post by: Inkling on December 19, 2008, 09:57:21 pm
Ah, you're probably right... The Marine is actually qualified for powers.  I'd say he was already a hero.  He's had military training, been in combat, and seeing as he got picked for the fancy program, is probably the best of the best.  So he wouldn't be prone to the mood swings, allegiance switches, or general craziness that infects most of the other characters.  He'd be like Hiro without the goofball/nerdy charm.  But hey, I still liked him.
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Post by: Krakow Sam on December 20, 2008, 05:07:09 am
I would say he'd have been more likely to blindly follow orders regardless of how evil they might be >_>
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Post by: Miclee on December 28, 2008, 02:31:48 pm
Well, I'm watching every episode of Heroes while I wait till Feb.
Mohinder sounded different a couple years back than now. :P
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Post by: Cobra on January 15, 2009, 03:57:37 am
We just finished Vol 3 in australia 20 minutes ago.

Mohinder never stopped being a dumb arse everything he does makes me want to bitch slap him up side the head. I never understood why Nathan jumped to his Dad's side so suddenly. Finally I liked Ando powerless thought he was cool I guess being only a super charger will be fine I guess.
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Post by: ilikesanta on February 01, 2009, 06:09:27 pm
Reminder: New episode tomorrow.
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Post by: Gungnir on February 01, 2009, 07:57:35 pm
Yes...I am quite, how to say this...pumped?
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in beige)*
Post by: Inkling on February 01, 2009, 09:26:28 pm
TV is already set to record it.
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in beige)*
Post by: Gungnir on February 02, 2009, 07:02:49 pm
Ah, damn. Maybe I would have enjoyed it more if I weren't popping into my room every 5 minutes to do homework for 10.

Meh...that sucked.
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in beige)*
Post by: Neoadept on February 02, 2009, 07:20:32 pm
Well, that was interesting.  There's a lot of potential there, but a few things put me off.

The good:  Claire is finally being the useful badass her power was supposed to make her.  Peter actually seems to know what he's doing, or at least know who the bad guy is.  Bennet tazed Mohinder, you can't tell me that's not a good thing.  Sylar is going all power crazy again, and he pulls it off so much better that Peter does.  I am entirely in favor of Matt's power upgrade.

The bad:  A short list, yay!  Mohinder was fighting to the death to spread superpowers everywhere last season.  Now he thinks they are bad?  I suppose this is just typical Mohinder stupid though.

the confusing:  Peter needs to touch people to get their powers now?  Really, that whole fight at the end was a bit weird.  First he has to touch Mohinder to get his power, then, with super strength, he gets knocked around by one guard, then he apparently has neither super strength nor flight.  He can only have one power at a time since he repowered or something?  Maybe this is good?  I don't know.

Sylar is having parent issues again?  Okay I guess.  I hope he gets over it soon, him taking down those guards was neat.

Bennet is on whose side now?  Okay, the government's obviously, but what's his angle this time?  He always has an angle.

Still, things are looking up.  ;D
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in beige)*
Post by: Inkling on February 02, 2009, 09:06:09 pm
Looks like things are off to a good start, though I hope they don't spend the whole season in the desert in orange jump suits.

Also, isn't this the plot to every Xmen story ever?
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Post by: Celdur on February 03, 2009, 11:02:36 am
nice little setup they have there

lots of minions to beat up
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in beige)*
Post by: emmet on February 03, 2009, 11:54:45 am
I'm getting the feeling of season 1 again, not sure why. Things are much less dumb and complex, and all of the crappy new characters from season 2 are gone! Yay!
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in beige)*
Post by: Gungnir on February 03, 2009, 03:05:11 pm
Neo, addressing your confusing...

I think Peter just doesn't quite know how to control his father's power yet, or possibly doesn't even know he has his father's power...so he probably can both steal powers and do it the old way.
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Post by: Miclee on February 03, 2009, 04:22:42 pm
Possibly. I think his father's power is actually the same of his, though his father used it to take powers. I also think I have a good idea of who Sylar's father is(if it's a character we know).
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Post by: martyk on February 04, 2009, 06:57:16 am
There's one thing I'm semi-confused about.  According to the GPS that Ando used, Hiro was in North Africa I belive.  So, they flew them to North Africa, just to then parade them onto another, seperate plane, and fly them somewhere else.  Wierd.
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in beige)*
Post by: Miclee on February 04, 2009, 02:43:35 pm
They could've thrown Ando off?
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in beige)*
Post by: Inkling on February 04, 2009, 07:28:34 pm
I doubt that, since Ando probably wouldn't be on the list of people with powers.  I'm guessing wherever they were in northern Africa was a staging point or somewhere to gather all the targets, since Hiro was coming from Japan.  There may also have been some old Company contacts outside of the country that Nathan decided to have gathered up, too.
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in beige)*
Post by: Doomsday on February 04, 2009, 10:27:37 pm
That was just too good. >.> They could of rearranged it to make some of the action happen faster, but a really solid episode.
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in beige)*
Post by: DarkDragon on February 05, 2009, 07:45:30 am
So, I was thinking (I haven't watched the episodes since the season break). Hiro sees himself in the future being "killed" by Ando but Andos power doesn't kill, it overpowers the other persons power. Since Hiro can already travel in both space and time with no limits as far as we know what is there left for him? interdimensional travel! Remember someone said in an episode that the end of the world was not something they could stop because there was something more powerful at work (I can't remember who). I think Ando wasn't killing Hiro, he was helping him and the fighting/arguing was because Ando was worried that Hiro couldn't come back.
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Post by: Celdur on February 05, 2009, 07:59:51 am
post

also, spoilers
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in beige)*
Post by: DarkDragon on February 05, 2009, 10:41:49 am
Oh come on, that episode was a good while ago and who the hell comes into a thread like this not expecting for spoilers? :P
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in beige)*
Post by: ilikesanta on February 05, 2009, 01:24:27 pm
But Hiro is without his powers still  :'(
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in beige)*
Post by: Brandonazz on February 08, 2009, 09:41:41 am
(http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii120/Brandonazz/265px-Heroes-acc1.png)

That is all.
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in beige)*
Post by: emmet on February 08, 2009, 12:16:36 pm
Did you make that? XD
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in beige)*
Post by: Brandonazz on February 08, 2009, 12:24:07 pm
No.

Grovel before Stumbleupon.
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in beige)*
Post by: Doomsday on February 08, 2009, 10:58:26 pm
This is something I sorta did awhile back.

(http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m163/OpDDay2001/Showdown.png)

It's horrible, yes, but I was even worse with graphic programs back then than I am now. If it weren't for the proof, no one would believe me. >.>
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in beige)*
Post by: emmet on February 09, 2009, 12:52:51 pm
IT AIN'T RAHT, NOT RAHT AH SAY!
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in beige)*
Post by: Miclee on February 09, 2009, 06:18:24 pm
I saw ze episode a couple hours early.

AWESOME!!

I like where it's going... but I'm wondering where Micah is. He's freakin awesome.
Noah and Nathan are turning around... kind of.
The Hunter. I like him and hate him. He's all bout killing.
Noah is by far one of my favourite characters. He's threatening Nathan!
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in beige)*
Post by: Blarg on February 09, 2009, 07:12:32 pm
Well, I enjoyed this. Looking forward to watching the next episode tomorrow on me compy.
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in beige)*
Post by: smurfslayer on February 09, 2009, 07:33:11 pm
It seems like the characters are finally starting to become their more badass selves we always see in the future.
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in beige)*
Post by: Hydromancerx on February 09, 2009, 10:41:58 pm
(http://tvmedia.ign.com/tv/image/article/782/782369/heroes-20070420011319253.jpg)

Claire + Hiro = Yatta Cheerleader

(http://th01.deviantart.com/fs20/300W/i/2007/278/5/a/Hiro_Nakamura_Heroes_by_joke_art.jpg)
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in beige)*
Post by: emmet on February 10, 2009, 03:38:44 pm
I'm liking this, it's a major formula change from series 1 and early series 3.
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in beige)*
Post by: Cow on February 10, 2009, 03:55:56 pm
How many plot twists can they cram into an episode? Seriously, every time I watch Heroes, my head asplodes.
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in beige)*
Post by: Inkling on February 13, 2009, 06:55:45 pm
Then the show is working.  Also, Sylar has an apprentice now?  That's adorable!  Nothing bad can come of this!
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in beige)*
Post by: Great Distance on February 13, 2009, 10:13:27 pm
Yes, and it's awesome!
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in beige)*
Post by: Celdur on February 14, 2009, 06:38:10 am
Then the show is working.  Also,

obviously he is going to kill him when he finds his father...also it looks like its starting to look like superhero stuff...they started a superpower group...next episode they will do the costumes >.>

and daphne needs a phoenix down if you know what i mean...
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in beige)*
Post by: Inkling on February 14, 2009, 10:41:30 am
Yeah, I don't think Daphne is really dead.  They didn't make a big enough deal out of it for her to be good and dead.
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in beige)*
Post by: Cow on February 14, 2009, 12:44:59 pm
Psh. That's what they want you to think.
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Post by: Blarg on February 14, 2009, 05:16:09 pm
Yeah, she really is. Sorry.

Except that Heroes has ALWAYS proved my theories wrong, so you can pretty much know that I'm wrong. Ah well.
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Post by: Cow on February 15, 2009, 11:07:47 am
Yeah, no use speculating. Just enjoy the ride.
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Post by: Celdur on February 16, 2009, 05:49:31 am
hey i just thought of something:

claire died during the eclipse...and then when it was over she came back to life again
arthur died while his powers where being supresed by the hatian guy...so shouldnt he come back to life after that? or did he get a bullet in the back of his head...
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Post by: Great Distance on February 16, 2009, 05:52:03 am
He did get a bullet in the back of his head. Or at least somewhere in his head, I think.
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Post by: Cow on February 16, 2009, 05:44:18 pm
Definitely. Arthur is dead.
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in beige)*
Post by: Celdur on February 17, 2009, 08:44:35 am
but then we find out that arthur is actualy arthurs son! what a tweest!

anyway the new episode was cool...although im having allot of dejavu
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in beige)*
Post by: Doomsday on February 17, 2009, 02:04:29 pm
I liked the comedic moments. It was a great episode, but they need to kill or capture this Aquaman. >.> How useless of a power can you get? To top it all off, he's a comic nerd... so he should understand the significance and consequences of being Aquaman.
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in beige)*
Post by: Blarg on February 17, 2009, 03:13:40 pm
No, I think he's going to be the romantic interest for Claire, which I'm guessing mainly from the little comic on the website.

Also, I REALLY wish they'd show Ando's power doing something... I dunno... useful?  :P
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in beige)*
Post by: Doomsday on February 17, 2009, 09:03:51 pm
He's Glowy McSpacky Man. He can give off light and make mini fireworks. That is incredibly useful... in the dark or at party events. >.> Ando is kind of useless if there isn't anyone with a power nearby, even then it depends on the person. How would a super-charger effect passive power-users like Peter? Claire? Claude (Mr Invisible from season 1)? What's it's time limit? If he can throw it as a weapon (after all they keep touting out the "I kill Hiro in the future" line, even though the future has been changed, mostly), then what does that do? >.>
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in beige)*
Post by: ilikesanta on February 17, 2009, 10:26:53 pm
He's Glowy McSpacky Man.

No he's Mr. Sparkles!
(http://www.liquidmatrix.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/mrsparkleorig.jpg)
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in beige)*
Post by: ilikesanta on February 23, 2009, 11:01:24 pm
Saw the newest episode, I'm sorry to say the show is not doing it for me any more. I'll still watch it, but I won't like it.

*Edit*

Ooops - Didin't mean to quite myself
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in beige)*
Post by: Doomsday on February 24, 2009, 12:43:34 pm
Saw the newest episode, I'm sorry to say the show is not doing it for me any more. I'll still watch it, but I won't like it.

Why is that? It was a pretty good episode, but.. why the heck aren't the government monitoring that damn loft? It's been like ground zero for Supers for like 3 years now. >.>

Also, I know this is supposed to be a return to Season 1's formula, but really? Another Nuclear Explosion? Never mind that the bombs Matt paints don't look like the kind your see as nukes. My guess is that what's supposed to happen is that Matt is captured, sedated, strapped with explosives, then is released and trotted out as a psychotic Super-Powered threat to rationalize the "Kill all of 'Them'" movement. In that future, Matt becomes a pawn of someone/something greater and then goes kaboom.
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in beige)*
Post by: MetallicDragon on February 24, 2009, 02:07:17 pm
This episode was kind of boring. I think they're building the show back up to something big, though.
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in beige)*
Post by: smurfslayer on February 24, 2009, 03:49:27 pm
It seemed like they were basically attempting to make another "Company Man" episode (since everyone apparently thought it was the best thing ever) but failed.
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in beige)*
Post by: Neoadept on February 24, 2009, 05:55:05 pm
This entire I episode I thought that this was the perfect time to bring back doctor invisible.

Sadly, this was not the case.

On the bright side:  Mohinder is in prison.
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in beige)*
Post by: Cow on February 27, 2009, 07:01:05 pm
True. Mohinder is a d-bag
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in beige)*
Post by: Blarg on February 27, 2009, 07:35:48 pm
I really, really wish he would just die already.
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in beige)*
Post by: Gungnir on February 28, 2009, 11:38:42 am
Nah, last episode I was disliking Parkman a lot more than Mohinder. Woo, his girlfriend died...supposedly. So he becomes a torturer and refuses to listen to reason? Hmmm...ok.

edit: Beige..brown..it's all good.
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in beige)*
Post by: Celdur on February 28, 2009, 11:58:05 am
wrong collor...and parkman didnt really torture :P
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Post by: Cow on February 28, 2009, 01:19:29 pm
They just did what they had to do. Pretty slow thinking on P. Patrelli's part to think he wasn't being watched when he went to get those guns, though.
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in beige)*
Post by: MetallicDragon on March 04, 2009, 09:53:18 pm
Soo, uh, newest episode. I thought this one was pretty good. Lots of stuff happening.
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in beige)*
Post by: Celdur on March 05, 2009, 03:48:18 pm
besides all the bad stuff...wait...is this really a spoiler?
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in beige)*
Post by: emmet on March 07, 2009, 02:45:50 pm
No. No it's not.
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in beige)*
Post by: Celdur on March 13, 2009, 09:32:16 am
the show is sort of getting less good

i mean its still good and i enjoy watching
but its unmissable to watch as it used to be

*oh and that whole bomb defusing thing was just stupid :P "oh i can see its the black wire all the way up here! im so good!"*
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in beige)*
Post by: smurfslayer on March 13, 2009, 01:28:25 pm
the show is sort of getting less good
This is not something new.
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in beige)*
Post by: Blarg on March 15, 2009, 11:38:00 am
"Don't get close to me! I'MA GONNA ASPLODE!"

"And so is everyone else on this show. In fact, there's a line now. Please make your way to the back."
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in beige)*
Post by: Gungnir on March 16, 2009, 06:08:28 pm
Just a thought, "Rebel" is probably Micah.
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in beige)*
Post by: emmet on March 17, 2009, 09:34:27 am
Still think it's internet lady.
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Post by: Gungnir on March 17, 2009, 10:07:21 am
You  mean this chick?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hana_Gitelman
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in beige)*
Post by: Miclee on March 17, 2009, 04:11:11 pm
She is trapped in the internets somewhere.
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in beige)*
Post by: martyk on March 17, 2009, 06:52:54 pm
Just a thought, "Rebel" is probably Micah.

That was my thought.  Also, was there no episode aired yesterday?  I rely on my school's download network to get the show from every week so I don't know if it missed a week or not.
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in beige)*
Post by: emmet on March 18, 2009, 08:20:57 am
No episode.
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in beige)*
Post by: smurfslayer on March 23, 2009, 08:00:53 pm
That.... was actually pretty good. Nothing ground breaking but it was thoroughly entertaining throughout and had a number of really cool moments. To be honest, it kinda felt like a season 1 episode, as much as I hate to say that.
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in beige)*
Post by: emmet on March 24, 2009, 11:51:58 am
Micah's back! YAY!

I liked that episode. A lot.
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in beige)*
Post by: ilikesanta on March 24, 2009, 11:55:36 am
Yes that was a good episode, mostly because Hiro was in it, and Hiro was able to do stuff. More Hiro = better Episode, No Hiro and all Clare = boring lame episode.
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in beige)*
Post by: Great Distance on March 24, 2009, 12:30:15 pm
They should try to make him act a bit less ridiculously, though.
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Post by: Gungnir on March 24, 2009, 04:38:02 pm
Claire is a stupid whiny...person, and she's constantly being saved by people. I'm sorta sad that she's the immortal one...

Also: Ando has an awesome power now. Kamehameha!
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in beige)*
Post by: ilikesanta on March 28, 2009, 07:18:53 am
They should try to make him act a bit less ridiculously, though.
True dat
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Post by: martyk on March 29, 2009, 02:38:26 pm
They should try to make him act a bit less ridiculously, though.
True dat

Meh, I like his quirkiness.  Wheelbarrow FTW.
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in beige)*
Post by: smurfslayer on March 30, 2009, 06:55:24 pm
Holy crap. This show just got good. I mean, hot damn. I think Heroes has finally gotten over its slump.
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Post by: Snork on March 31, 2009, 03:02:12 am
Mind explaining how?
If your correct, I might just watch this crap again.
Title: Re: Heroes: Villains (Season 3) *Major Spoilers (written in beige)*
Post by: smurfslayer on March 31, 2009, 07:59:38 am
Characters are making at least mostly logical choices. Powers are finally being used often and in cool ways. Pacing was great. Story finally seems to be going somewhere.

Really the best way I can describe it is that these last two episodes felt like season one again. They are easily the best of volumes three and four thus far.
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Post by: Great Distance on March 31, 2009, 10:30:49 am
Oh yeah. I heard Bryan Fuller got back in the show. I have no idea who he is, but I heard he used to make the show good. And boy, am I convinced now.
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Post by: emmet on April 03, 2009, 03:58:50 pm
Yay! That was an awesome episode!
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Post by: MetallicDragon on April 09, 2009, 03:41:52 pm
This latest episode was pretty deep. Lots of character development on the bad guy. There were a few really stupid lines though...
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Post by: smurfslayer on April 09, 2009, 06:58:43 pm
This latest episode was pretty deep.
Wait..... are you watching the same show I am?
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Post by: MetallicDragon on April 09, 2009, 07:59:25 pm
Maybe that wasn't the right word, I dunno.
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Post by: Gungnir on April 10, 2009, 02:47:10 pm
I really enjoyed the last two episodes. I think the previous episodes suffered from Pannetierre's horrid acting...
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Post by: ilikesanta on April 12, 2009, 07:41:15 pm
Yeah Clare is less exciting now that Sylar has her powers now.
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Post by: smurfslayer on April 13, 2009, 07:25:55 pm
Well that episode was boring. About the only part that was interesting was at the end on the TV.....
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Post by: ilikesanta on April 14, 2009, 10:02:38 am
It did get me excited for the future, even if it's going to be next season A New company is a great direction to go in, and I think it could turn the show around for the better. Other then that the episode was kinda boring.
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Post by: emmet on April 14, 2009, 10:45:32 am
I liked it. Especially the the flashbacks.
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Post by: Cow on April 15, 2009, 07:45:24 pm
No! Too many flashbacks!

P.S. We need more baby Matt Parkman!
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Post by: Gungnir on April 27, 2009, 07:29:13 pm
That was fun...but I think I'm gonna miss Sylar
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Post by: DarkDragon on April 28, 2009, 12:31:09 pm
That was fun...but I think I'm gonna miss Sylar

Who said he doesn't return, we saw his original abbility manifesting on Redemption
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Post by: Celdur on April 28, 2009, 01:26:37 pm
man...4 ended as an end...all problems where solved :P. great episode though although i wanted to actualy SEE the final fight of sylar and stuff...and why the hell didnt they just give nathan claire's blood...there is NO reason

and wouldnt 'new nathan' notice that he has the powers of a demigod all of the sudden :P
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Post by: ilikesanta on April 28, 2009, 02:36:37 pm
not if he doesn't think to use them. Also that's probably one of the more interesting ways to write off a character.
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Post by: Celdur on April 28, 2009, 02:45:11 pm
that counts for most of them but not regeneration and stuff like that id imagine...also he might spark them by emotions or whatever...ill guess we will se in chapter 5
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Post by: DarkDragon on April 28, 2009, 03:59:43 pm
We don't really know if Claire's blood would work, they never tried it with her blood. Also, their blood types might not be compatible.

Either way, it was easier this way since Sylar now has all the memories of Nathan and his body, it was probably the only way they could get rid of him for the time being seeing as he moved his weak spot they probably couldn't kill him even if they chopped him into millions of little pieces.
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Post by: MetallicDragon on April 28, 2009, 05:36:05 pm
We don't really know if Claire's blood would work, they never tried it with her blood. Also, their blood types might not be compatible.

Either way, it was easier this way since Sylar now has all the memories of Nathan and his body, it was probably the only way they could get rid of him for the time being seeing as he moved his weak spot they probably couldn't kill him even if they chopped him into millions of little pieces.


Well, Claire's blood was used before to heal Nathan, but I don't think he was dead that time.

Also, if you chopped him up into millions of little pieces, then wouldn't you inevitably chop hit weak point?
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Post by: smurfslayer on April 28, 2009, 07:07:41 pm
Claire's blood healed HRG after he died from a bullet to the face. It's a giant gaping plot hole and there is no denying it.
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Post by: Neoadept on April 28, 2009, 07:25:00 pm
Honestly?  I prefer it this way.  Yes, there's a plot hole, but bringing people back to life every time they die lessens tension and is just bad writing practice.

Really, I'd just like to think that volume two and three never happened.  We're back to good writing, interesting plots, and strong characters.

If all I have to do to get a competent Peter, a genuinely scary and brilliant Sylar, and proper character advancement, is ignore two volumes of the opposite of that...  Well, that's more than a fair trade in my books.
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Post by: DarkDragon on April 28, 2009, 08:46:40 pm
I was under the impression that in the previous Nathan "death" he was healed by that other guys blood, Adam I think.

I don't remember HRG healing with Claires blood though, so I can't comment on that.
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Post by: Celdur on April 29, 2009, 05:46:23 am
i dont like the regen blood preventing anyone from dying either but i at least want a reason why the characters dont do it
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Post by: Neoadept on April 29, 2009, 08:14:10 am
There is no evidence that Claire's blood could have saved anyone.  Heroes went on a long hiatus after season one, wherein no one died, Nathan decided that powered people were a danger because of Linderman's scheme, there were no alternate futures at all.  Peter's father has been dead for years.  There was never anyone called Maya.  There is no such thing as a power catalyst and eclipses have no effect except to make it dark out in daytime.  Someone wrote a fanfic featuring an original character called Adam and Hiro going back in time that was alright, but it petered out and isn't cannon anyways.

That is how it happened.

 :P
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Post by: ilikesanta on April 30, 2009, 01:34:26 am
I think it's funny that this is the third time Nathan has died. Did they ever explain how Nathan came back to life the 2nd time around? They made us think it was Lindermen, but that was just Matt's father playing tricks on people, and no one gave him blood, sooo... Yeah how did that happen?
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Post by: smurfslayer on April 30, 2009, 07:44:34 am
They never explained it. It's yet another plot hole in the swiss cheese that is the story of Heroes.
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Post by: DarkDragon on April 30, 2009, 12:35:34 pm
When did Nathan die on the second time? I don't remember that!

Actually, you guys are talking about a lot of stuff I don't remember and I'm pretty sure I've watched every single episode <.<
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Post by: smurfslayer on April 30, 2009, 01:12:47 pm
Nathan died the second time when he was assassinated by future Peter right before he would have told the world about people with superpowers. Technically that's actually the first time he died since Peter's nuclear explosion at the end of season 1 only heavily injured him rather than killed him.
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Post by: DarkDragon on May 01, 2009, 12:12:36 am
Nathan died the second time when he was assassinated by future Peter right before he would have told the world about people with superpowers. Technically that's actually the first time he died since Peter's nuclear explosion at the end of season 1 only heavily injured him rather than killed him.

Wait, I remember it like this:

He got heavily injured and was close to death, Adams blood healed him that time.

The second time I think it was Parkmans illusion (or Peter using Parkmans illusion, not sure)

Third time as we all know, they replaced him with Sylar
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Post by: Neoadept on May 01, 2009, 05:06:48 am
Ah, but the thing about illusions is that they are illusions, and so incapable of healing anyone.  It would be like performing surgery using only a stage production.

As I said, I prefer to think that those two volumes never happened.  And they didn't.


*returns to happy place*
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Post by: Celdur on May 01, 2009, 05:51:17 am
the two volumes where all illusions
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Post by: DarkDragon on May 01, 2009, 05:53:14 am
Ah, but the thing about illusions is that they are illusions, and so incapable of healing anyone.  It would be like performing surgery using only a stage production.

As I said, I prefer to think that those two volumes never happened.  And they didn't.


*returns to happy place*

The thing about illusions is that people can seem to get injured/die without actually doing so. I didn't say illusions healed -_-
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Post by: smurfslayer on May 01, 2009, 07:31:25 am
Yeah except that it clearly wasn't an illusion when he got shot and died. Peter put a bullet in his chest.
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Post by: DarkDragon on May 01, 2009, 11:40:09 am
Yeah except that it clearly wasn't an illusion when he got shot and died. Peter put a bullet in his chest.

Most logical explanation is that Nathan has some kind of latent healing power (maybe only works after he is actually dead), after all he is Claires father and they assumed he didn't have a power to begin with, so they injected him. That could result in 2 powers and him not even knowing about the healing one, hence why he thought it was "God" that saved him. (but if that's the case they'll bring him back on the next volume which is not good). Maybe they explained it on the online comics? Does anyone read those?