Gaming Steve Message Board

Random Encounters => Everything Else => Topic started by: Veraal on July 16, 2008, 09:22:26 am

Title: So i bought an electric guitar...
Post by: Veraal on July 16, 2008, 09:22:26 am
and now i have no idea how to connect to my computer.

i got this cable that i suppose is meant for an amplifier, but i got this cable head thingy that i put on the amplifier cable so that i could stick the cable from the guitar directly to the computer's mic or line-in thing.

sadly, it wasn't that simple.

as i strum my guitar nothing but the metal sound of the guitar itself came.

can anyone help me?

ask specific questions and i will answer them.
Title: Re: So i bought an electric guitar...
Post by: Veraal on July 16, 2008, 09:34:35 am
i have tried every single jack.

am i supposed to hear anything when i plug it in? like, if i strum the guitar, will there be sound even if i have just gaming steve up?

or do i need some kind of software?
Title: Re: So i bought an electric guitar...
Post by: PatMan33 on July 16, 2008, 09:36:36 am
Yes you might, although there is no reason why the in-line should not work.

Try this site out (http://loupdargentonline.blogspot.com/2006/05/fwd-how-to-plug-guitar-or-bass-into.html) and see if it helps, they've got a few solutions. All praise Google.
Title: Re: So i bought an electric guitar...
Post by: MetallicDragon on July 16, 2008, 09:40:03 am
Did you read the manual that it came with? Also, are your speakers on?
Title: Re: So i bought an electric guitar...
Post by: Veraal on July 16, 2008, 09:42:41 am
Did you read the manual that it came with? Also, are your speakers on?

strangely, there's no manual. only the guitar, the cable with the thing i stuck on the end of it, and another cable i suppose is for an amplifier, which i don't have.

@Pat, i scoured the internet for solutions, but didn't find this one. going to read it.
Title: Re: So i bought an electric guitar...
Post by: /lurk on July 16, 2008, 09:51:29 am
I wouldn't imagine an electric guitar would work if you're not supplying any electricity to it.

Also plug a set of headphones directly into it and hope Daxx shows up.
Title: Re: So i bought an electric guitar...
Post by: Ultramarine on July 16, 2008, 09:54:08 am
Hmmmm.. only thing I can think of as a power source is an Amp.
But that's the only thing I can think of, I'm not really familiar with electric instruments so sorry I can't help.
Title: Re: So i bought an electric guitar...
Post by: Veraal on July 16, 2008, 11:37:06 am
I wouldn't imagine an electric guitar would work if you're not supplying any electricity to it.

well, there's only one plug spot, which is supposed to be attached to an amp, which then is supposed to be attached to my computer... i think.

i have absolutely no idea.

ok, i kicked up my computer volume to much much higher level, and i now get sound!

well. it sounds alot like an acoustic guitar, and the four buttons with numbers on don't seem to do much...

i don't think i have it quite fixed yet, think i need an amp? will that solve it?
Title: Re: So i bought an electric guitar...
Post by: Ultramarine on July 16, 2008, 12:22:48 pm
So far an amp seems like the only solution here, unless you get professional help that is.
Title: Re: So i bought an electric guitar...
Post by: Andrew Ryan on July 16, 2008, 12:25:07 pm
You could always try ebay, they have some good stuff on there.
Title: Re: So i bought an electric guitar...
Post by: PatMan33 on July 16, 2008, 12:26:47 pm
Many of the things I read while searching for a solution say you need something called a preamp or you can use a mixer. I'd imagine that the first option is cheaper. Also they said that an effects pedal may be required to give the guitar the volume boost needed to get the sound to register with the system.
Title: Re: So i bought an electric guitar...
Post by: MetallicDragon on July 16, 2008, 01:31:55 pm
All an amp does, AFAIK, is amplify the volume. You'll just need software to change the sound, I think. Also, I don't think Electric Guitars need power because the strings moving over the sensors creates the necessary power for the signal, but not enough to be loud at all, which is why amps are needed. Really, you don't power the guitar, but the signal it creates.
Title: Re: So i bought an electric guitar...
Post by: Veraal on July 16, 2008, 02:43:23 pm
All an amp does, AFAIK, is amplify the volume. You'll just need software to change the sound, I think. Also, I don't think Electric Guitars need power because the strings moving over the sensors creates the necessary power for the signal, but not enough to be loud at all, which is why amps are needed. Really, you don't power the guitar, but the signal it creates.

i kinda figured, but wasn't sure, thanks!

Many of the things I read while searching for a solution say you need something called a preamp or you can use a mixer. I'd imagine that the first option is cheaper. Also they said that an effects pedal may be required to give the guitar the volume boost needed to get the sound to register with the system.

preamp.. no idea what that is. i've been thinking of just going back to that musician shop and ask for an amplifier, which seems to be the last option.
that scruffy kid should've told me more specific that i needed more than just the cabel thing.

also, i don't really know what these things are called in norwegian, which is my mother tongue. amplifier is what we call forsterker, but preamp, i have no idea. and mixer? dunno what that is either.
Title: Re: So i bought an electric guitar...
Post by: The Dead Herring on July 19, 2008, 04:15:55 pm
Don't worry, you don't need a preamp or amplifier to record electric guitar onto your computer.

You just need some software on your PC to increase the gain on the guitar, once the volume switch is all the way up on your instrument, that is it's maximum output.

Everything that an amp can do, software does too, albeit with a small amount of latency.

On the software side, I use Apple's Logic 8 audio sequencing program, combined with Native Instruments' Guitar Rig plug-in, this software emulates thousands of amps with no detectable latency and sounds fantastic.

http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=guitarrig3xe (http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=guitarrig3xe)

The plug-in works stand-alone, but you won't be able to record or edit without a sequencer.

Joe
Title: Re: So i bought an electric guitar...
Post by: Veraal on July 19, 2008, 04:57:20 pm
hum hum.

well, as i prolly stated, i am a complete guitar n00b, and the guitar i bought came with four knobs with 0-10 numbers on them.

i have no idea what each of them represent, as there weren't any instructions book, think you or someone could help me? like, giving a picture of an electric guitar with four knobs like mine, only saying what each mean? much appreciated

and, thanks Joe, I'll try your advice.
Title: Re: So i bought an electric guitar...
Post by: The Dead Herring on July 20, 2008, 11:02:51 am
I can't really give you exact advice without knowing what make or design it is.

But basically there will be a knob for volume, controlling the output of the guitar. One which limits the lower frequencies (making it sound tinnier), and one for limiting the higher frequencies (making it sound softer).

The volume knob is usually situated closest to your hand as you strum, allowing the volume to be adjusted whilst you are playing.

As to the fourth one, I couldn't tell you without knowing more about the make and setup of your instrument.

Joe

EDIT: Finished off a sentence
Title: Re: So i bought an electric guitar...
Post by: Veraal on July 20, 2008, 12:29:32 pm
(http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/2461/lp2qo0.jpg)

it's just like this one.

only the "strum guard" (is that right?) is white.
Title: Re: So i bought an electric guitar...
Post by: Daxx on July 21, 2008, 02:56:40 pm
Sorry I didn't get here earlier. Nice guitar.

It is technically possible to plug your guitar into your computer. However, don't do this. Save up and buy yourself an amplifier.

As for the four dials - one is a tone control. The other three are volume controls for the pickups. The tone control cuts off the bass or treble signals, depending on which way it's turned (keep it in the middle to start with). You can check which pickup corresponds to which dial by turning them all to 0 and adjusting one at a time - the one that doesn't respond is the tone control - the most tinny one is the one closest to the bridge, and it's less tinny out towards the neck.

EDIT: Unless that switch up the top is a pickup selector. In which case it's different, and you have two pairs of volume and tone controls. :-\ Gibsons are alien to me, you're better off Googling it.
Title: Re: So i bought an electric guitar...
Post by: Veraal on July 21, 2008, 02:58:29 pm
a reason would be nice  :D

well, i see what you mean, people say that it doesn't get the greatest sound by doing so.

but yeah, i have decided to buy an amp.
Title: Re: So i bought an electric guitar...
Post by: Daxx on July 21, 2008, 03:03:59 pm
Mostly because playing through a computer is awkward at the best of times - monitors and speakers can interfere with your sound, your sound card affects the sound considerably, and you need to play in the same room as your computer (which means you can't practice/jam/gig elsewhere).

An amp can be transported, allows you to adjust your sound quickly and easily, and is much easier to use (plug and play).
Title: Re: So i bought an electric guitar...
Post by: LadyM on July 21, 2008, 03:34:20 pm
You should save and rehost that image since it's hot linked.  ;)
Title: Re: So i bought an electric guitar...
Post by: Veraal on July 22, 2008, 09:32:01 am
i thought that was only in the random img bonanza  ::)

j/k...

bought an amp today.

now it works perfectly, just have to learn how to play properly, any advice on where the best ever ultimate learning tutorials can be found? in b4 google.
Title: Re: So i bought an electric guitar...
Post by: Daxx on July 22, 2008, 12:22:49 pm
Google it. But, in lieu of that, you might try:
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/ (check out the "for beginners" section).
But really, there are lots of guides to everything and you should read around as much as you can.

You need to learn, in order:

How to tune your guitar (this helps (http://www.gieson.com/Library/projects/utilities/tuner/))
What the different bits are, and what they do
How to look after your guitar (very important, I can't stress this enough)
How to read tab notation
Some basic chords
How to do barre/power chords

Then just pick a basic song that you know and learn it. Then repeat. Then practice. Then practice some more. Maybe try a few more songs, but keep practicing. It's not going to be easy, but you'll get it. I started out on Beatles songs, you may want to try some of those.
Title: Re: So i bought an electric guitar...
Post by: Veraal on July 22, 2008, 01:53:21 pm
thanks.

i guess i should get one of those guitar stands with the rubber thingy.
Title: Re: So i bought an electric guitar...
Post by: Daxx on July 22, 2008, 01:58:02 pm
Yeah, they're pretty useful, it's better to be safe than sorry.

You might also want to pick up some lint-free cloths (wipe the strings down with them after you play) and make sure you wash your hands before you practice and you should extend the life of your strings by a surprising amount.
Title: Re: So i bought an electric guitar...
Post by: Veraal on July 22, 2008, 02:11:08 pm
i've always imagined that if a string snaps, it would snap in such a way that it would slash a five centimeter deep cut across my face and set the wound on fire.

Is this true?
Title: Re: So i bought an electric guitar...
Post by: The Dead Herring on July 22, 2008, 02:37:25 pm
i've always imagined that if a string snaps, it would snap in such a way that it would slash a five centimeter deep cut across my face and set the wound on fire.

Is this true?

Despite that being totally rock and roll, it is unfortunately not true. If a string snaps it is pretty much always at the bridge (bottom) of the guitar, where the string becomes frayed and gives way. The strings aren't very elastic, and therefore never really fling out with any force, although that would be totally awesome.

Also here's an image vaguely explaining the knobs:

(http://www.erratum5.net/images/skitch/Desktop-20070902-132027.jpg)


Sorry I didn't get here earlier. Nice guitar.

It is technically possible to plug your guitar into your computer. However, don't do this. Save up and buy yourself an amplifier.

Although I would recommend an amplifier for casual practice. You should still consider setting up digital recording. As I said, the vast capabilities of amp simulation is enormously convenient when recording a track.

Perhaps Veraal, you should get the basics down using a real amp, then when you want to start recording, you can start looking into the digital stuff.
Title: Re: So i bought an electric guitar...
Post by: Veraal on July 22, 2008, 02:40:00 pm
already bought an amp, and it sounds rad.

it's got a mode called insane, which is all grudge-ish.

my sister playing the harry potter theme with that on, awesome, even for harry potter.

And thanks for the pic, but two volume knobs?
Title: Re: So i bought an electric guitar...
Post by: Daxx on July 22, 2008, 05:37:29 pm
Yes, they'll correspond to different pickups. You can alter your sound by varying the volume of each pickup (which will pick up differing frequencies depending on where they are in relation to the bridge/bottom of the neck).

I should really clarify that what I was saying about taking care of the strings is related more to keeping their sound fresh rather than stopping them from snapping. If you want to lessen the chance of snapping, you should keep your guitar at an even temperature, be careful when winding and tuning that the string is sitting on the nut and bridge nicely and that that they're kept free of dust and dirt, use the appropriate string gauge for your playing style (e.g. if you're playing heavily, you need thicker strings), and not to overdo it with de-tuning and re-tuning (you're probably not going to be playing non-standard tuning, but nevertheless).
Title: Re: So i bought an electric guitar...
Post by: Veraal on July 22, 2008, 05:39:28 pm
aha.

daxx and joe, you seem like skilled guitarists, are you good?
Title: Re: So i bought an electric guitar...
Post by: Daxx on July 22, 2008, 05:45:44 pm
Depends what you mean by good. I wouldn't describe myself as WTFAWESOME, but I've played some gigs and done some recording with a couple of bands (mostly as a bassist, though, not a guitarist).
Title: Re: So i bought an electric guitar...
Post by: The Dead Herring on July 23, 2008, 09:46:15 am
aha.

daxx and joe, you seem like skilled guitarists, are you good?

Well, I don't like to blow my own trumpet... But yeah I'm okay :P