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Title: What kind of animals exist?
Post by: Efreet on March 23, 2005, 05:32:23 pm
I thought over the idea, what kind of different animal types do we split our groups into?



Mammals:

Humans are a mammal, but wouldn't it be boring making a human civilization?
Primates? Huge armored monkeys with scales and a long tail with venomous posion?
Furry animals that live in cities in threes? They could have sailing wings.


Reptiles:

Everything from a civilization of crocs to what I want to make, dragonkin from World of WArcraft, and other stuff.
Coldblood or warmblood?
Raptors, dragons, etc.

Insects:

These could be special, who wounldn't want to have a huge army of flying stinging 5m long vasps that only have one queen that breeds?
underground civilizations?

Arachnids:

Huge spider civilizations? Those would own!
Might go under bugs though..




I cant make up anything else, or remember more, please add to the list with ideas and more types =)
Title: Re: What kind of animals exist?
Post by: kushinagi on March 23, 2005, 05:52:10 pm
How about a race of Fish wearing Reverse Scuba Suits? (A la Futurama)

Just put Aracnids and Insects in the same category. Don't forget Crustacians! Crab people! And Mollusks! Walking Oysters!

And of course, Other.
Title: Re: What kind of animals exist?
Post by: Tarious on March 23, 2005, 06:28:17 pm
Pretty much anything is possible.

In another post we're talking about plants.
Title: Re: What kind of animals exist?
Post by: krjal on March 23, 2005, 08:33:44 pm
Yes! Please don't forget the gentle Triffid!
Title: Re: What kind of animals exist?
Post by: kushinagi on March 23, 2005, 08:35:46 pm
Let's put them in Plant-Like lifeforms, with the ravinous Oddish
Title: Re: What kind of animals exist?
Post by: happydan20 on March 23, 2005, 08:45:04 pm
please tell me thats not a pokemon referece... AND PLEASE tell me I just didn't recognise a pokemon reference :'(
Title: Re: What kind of animals exist?
Post by: kushinagi on March 23, 2005, 08:46:36 pm
But he's ravinous... imagine a radish feasting upon a carcus 2 times his size!
Title: Re: What kind of animals exist?
Post by: Tarious on March 23, 2005, 08:47:49 pm
Someone was talking about making a pokemon world in the first few pages of the first creature post.
Title: Re: What kind of animals exist?
Post by: kushinagi on March 23, 2005, 08:48:49 pm
Nah, I'll stick with meh Oddish
Title: Re: What kind of animals exist?
Post by: happydan20 on March 23, 2005, 09:05:27 pm
i played the gameboy version... For some reeason I really liked the snorlax

speaking of which what a great gameplay idea... make the fattests dumbest slowest thing you can!
Challence yourself to get it to evolve with all of the handicapps
Title: Re: What kind of animals exist?
Post by: Jecrell on March 23, 2005, 09:09:02 pm
... I couldn't even imagine such a creature.

It would lose the game so many times... it'll be like playing Far Cry
Title: Re: What kind of animals exist?
Post by: happydan20 on March 23, 2005, 09:10:47 pm
lol yeah thats the point though to see if your amazing god powers can drag that pathetic creature to the top of the foodchain!
Title: Re: What kind of animals exist?
Post by: Jecrell on March 23, 2005, 09:14:32 pm
I thought that's what cheats were for.
Title: Re: What kind of animals exist?
Post by: happydan20 on March 23, 2005, 09:31:02 pm
I am my own cheat!
I alter my save states by writing over them with new saves states in which I play the game and aquire items using this cheat.  I then write over that save state by cheating some more (by playing the game) till ultiately I've cheated my way to the end of the game!
Title: Re: What kind of animals exist?
Post by: Jayce on March 24, 2005, 12:20:38 am
The beauty of this game is that you are only limited by your imagination.

If you want a race of evil couches then you can have them (probably)
Title: Re: What kind of animals exist?
Post by: Scipion on March 24, 2005, 12:27:20 am
Hurray! Flesh-hunrgry couches, they're the perfect trap for any humanoid. What are the odds of those evolving though?
Title: Re: What kind of animals exist?
Post by: krjal on March 24, 2005, 02:23:05 am
Next step, wheelie chair, after that the ergo chair and after that...THE WORLD!!!
Title: Re: What kind of animals exist?
Post by: Efreet on March 24, 2005, 06:44:36 am
Im going to make a staple people. They can staple their victims, they use some highly technic fangs that are elastic but bends when it hits the other bone, and it freezes in contact with oxygen. So the victim gets stapled. And a strong muccle in the middle that staples it together really fast!
Title: Re: What kind of animals exist?
Post by: Huasat on March 24, 2005, 06:48:30 am
i played the gameboy version... For some reeason I really liked the snorlax

speaking of which what a great gameplay idea... make the fattests dumbest slowest thing you can!
Challence yourself to get it to evolve with all of the handicapps


yay, Snorlax! :D definately my favourite Pokmon, and pretty much the only one I can remember from when I played the original (other than Pikachu). A Snorlax civilization in Spore would rock 8) I'd imagine them having to be vegetarian though.
Title: Re: What kind of animals exist?
Post by: Morslok on March 24, 2005, 06:53:16 am
The thing is, it won't be a cheat to create any creature you want, once you get past natural selection you can just make any outrageous creature you want with the ufo and put it in a non-competition environment(i.e. a planet to itself or in your zoo). At least I hope you can  :)
Title: Re: What kind of animals exist?
Post by: kushinagi on March 24, 2005, 03:26:59 pm
The beauty of this game is that you are only limited by your imagination.

If you want a race of evil couches then you can have them (probably)

Why does it have to be evil? Why can't they just be Intelligent Couches? Are my furnature plotting world domination? HELP!
Title: Re: What kind of animals exist?
Post by: Scipion on March 26, 2005, 05:23:49 pm
kushinagi, I'm ashamed of you. I can't believe you didn't know couches are beings of pure evil? Who steals your keys, takes your change, hides the remote, harbors dust-bunnies, and so much more. Fiends I tell you!!!
Title: Re: What kind of animals exist?
Post by: SHW on March 26, 2005, 05:26:57 pm
*Scoots away from sofa.*

Well, if I ever see his couches in game, I guess I'll just have to blow their planet into dust.
Title: Re: What kind of animals exist?
Post by: Tarious on March 26, 2005, 05:30:59 pm
or enslave them for confortable siting devices.
Title: Re: What kind of animals exist?
Post by: SHW on March 26, 2005, 05:37:08 pm
A creative idea? Who would've thought?
Title: Re: What kind of animals exist?
Post by: Anou Mawi on March 26, 2005, 06:57:36 pm
You forgot Birds(wings are arms with weird bones)
Land Squids, wait, I have heard that on a futer evolution thing, think of the power.
Title: Re: What kind of animals exist?
Post by: Hydromancerx on June 20, 2005, 04:41:50 am
Well in real life there are alot, but I like the SimEarth Simplification ...

Prokaryotes - Single Celled Life (no nucleus).

Eurkaryote - Single Celled Life (with nuclus).

Raditae - Radial Life like Starfish, Jellyfish or Sea Anemones.

Arthropod - Multi legged marine with outter skeleton such as crabs, lobsters and crayfish.

Mollusk - Soft life with no bones but shells such as snails, clams, oysters, octopi, and squid.

Fish - Marine Life with internal bones and scales such as sharks, salmon, tuna and eels.

Cetcean - Marine mammals who use ecolocation such as whales, dolphins and porpoises.

Trichrodate - Life with 3 spinal chords they died out long time ago but are in the game anywho.

Insect - 6 Legged land anthropods sometimes with wings, such as bettles, bees and butterflys.

Amphibian - Cold blooded vertebrates that can swim and walk on land such as frogs, toads and newts.

Reptile - Cold blooded vertbrates with scales such as crocdiles, lizards, snakes and turtles.

Dinosaur - The stage between reptiles and birds. They come in man shapes and sizes ranging from giant long neck sauropods, frilled horned ceratops, crested duckbills and even meat eating therapods.

Avian - Warm-blooded veribrates with feathers such as ducks, eagles, chickens, penguins and ostriches.

Mammals - Warmb-blooded vertibrates with hair or fur such as humans, dogs, rodents, elephants, horses and rabbits.

Carniferns - Mobile carnivious plants which is fictional.

This is it but I would personally add ...

Pterasaurs - Flying reptiles who lived durring the time of the dinosaurs.

Bats - Flying mammals who use eccolocation.

Marine Reptiles - Reptiles who live perninently in the sea such as icthyosaur, plesiosaur and moasasaurs.

Mammal-like Reptiles - Warmblooded repltiles who used sails to eat up faster such as demetrodon, lycaenops, thrinaxodon.

Arachnids - 8 Legged land invertibrates such as scorpians, spiders and ticks.

Then for my fictional creatures ...

Marine Avians - Birds who live perninently in the sea such as porpins and vortexes.

And then i think i might seperate the dinosaurs into 5 catagories ...

Sauropods - Huge Long Neck Dinosaurs such as Apotosaurus and Brachiosaurus.

Theropods - Meat Eatting Warmblooded Dinosaurs such as t-rex and velociraptor.

Theyerophora - Armored dinosaurs such as stegosaurs and ankylosuarus.

Ceratposia - Frilled honred dinodaurs such as triceratops and pachycephalosurus.

Ornithopoda - Such as Hypsiloodon, Iguanadon, Maisaura and Parasaurolophus.
Title: Re: What kind of animals exist?
Post by: Oviraptor on June 20, 2005, 05:16:11 am
What about pinnipeds? (seals, sea lions, walruses)
Title: Re: What kind of animals exist?
Post by: Jaleho on June 20, 2005, 09:49:55 am
Well, lesse... you've got plants, animals, fungus, protists(algae) and monerans(bacteria) as your major kingdoms. Bacteria would only be available in the tidepool stage, and chances are plants, fungus and algae will all be clumped together in the "plant" editor and doubtfully (unfortunately) not be mobile or playable.

So for animals, you've got sponges, sea anemones and corals which don't do much moving, so it might be better to simulate those in the plant editor, too. Echinoderms are your star fish, sea cucumbers, and sea urchins. What we're used to here on earth move so slow they might work better as plants rather than playable characters - but I would bet someone could develop an evolved intelligent radiate species to prove me wrong. :)

Jellyfish: There looked like some one-eyed jellyfish Will swam up to in the video... didn't look like they moved much, but I suppose you could change that.

Worms of all types: flatworms, roundworms, segmented worms. Pretty boring to look at, but they're good starting positions, and hey, the bigger critters gotta have something to eat, right?

The arthropods, you got your arachnids (spiders), crustaceans (crabs, lobsters, shrimp), centipedes, millipedes, and various insects. I get the feeling we'll be seeing lots of these - they seem pretty alien and menacing, especially at bigger sizes (think starship troopers).

Molluscs as a whole seem pretty boring - slugs, snails, clams... but they also have the squids and octopi that Steve and Will tried to build, and "The Future is Wild" decreed will inherit the Earth (Squibbons).

Finally, ya have the chordates - things with a backbone. There's a reason we're so prevalent and the Spore engine is built on the concept - flexibility. Having an exoskeleton like an arthropod means having to shed your skin every time you want to grow (leaving you defenseless), and having no strong structure (like a mollusk) makes it hard to colonize the land. Bugs outnumber us in the billions, but apart from big lobsters, hissing cockroaches and lunar moths, they don't get very big.

So, backbones. You've got fish of both the bony and cartilagenous (shark) type, amphibians, reptiles, birds, and mammals. "Reptomammals" are a good name for those in-between furry lizards, and "Reptavians" are another name for those in-between Dinosaurs who were the top dogs (dinos?) till that pesky asteroid came by.

We're still waiting to hear how "amphibians" are treated in the game, but you've got frogs, toads, newts and salamanders.

Reptiles have turtles and tortoises, lizards, crocodiles and alligators and snakes.

Birds give us the big flightless kind, waterfowl, birds of prey, jungle birds like parrots and chickens, owls, songbirds, you name it.

Then there's us - the mammals. Warm-blooded, hairy, lactating, all that good stuff.

Monotremes like platypi and echidna lay eggs (which, unless they change something in the game, we're going to have to assume all created mammals are, or just "pretend" they give birth live).

Marsupials (opossums, kangaroo, wombat) have pouches, and have diversified into similar forms as all the other mammal types.

Insectivores: Shrews, hedgehogs, moles. Flying lemurs and bats. Primates (apes and monkeys). Cetaceans (whales and dolphins),Pinnipeds (seals and walruses) and manatees. Anteaters, sloths, armadillos, pangolins and aardvarks. Hares, rabbits, hyraxes and rodents (squirrels, beavers, porcupines, mice, hamsters). Elephants. Hoofed animals: Odd-toed (Tapirs, rhinos, horses, zebras) and even-toed (pigs, hippos, camels, moose, yak, antelope, giraffe). And of course, the carnivores(cats, hyenas, weasels, dogs, bears, raccoons and pandas).

Not to mention all the critters that are extinct, from the crazy forms found in the Burgess Shale, up to species killed by man.

Now, anything we make in this game, being from another planet, just wouldn't fit in ANY of these categories. Oh, sure, they may APPEAR similar to something real, but scientifically, they're from a whole other world, so they'd have a whole other set of categories. But there's still some basic funtions critters from any world would have in common - it's called convergent evolution. If you have a big water creature and want it to survive), it's bound to be streamlined like a dolphin, ichythsaur, shark or penguin. If you're a carnivore, you need some way of tracking your prey (senses) and killing it (weapons like claws and teeth). If you're a herbivore, you either have fast limbs to help you run away, or defenses to protect yourself (shells & spikes).

We can imagine and create any critter, just like Will showed us. But like he said with "Tweety Bird" - some designs will have low fitness in the world - meaning you aren't going to live long enough to gain energy to mate - you'll probably have to go back when you die and change something until it good enough to let you survive.

I really hope they include something where you can see all the creatures you've created on a sort of timeline - so you can watch a species morph over time, and even see ideas you tried out that just didn't work.
Title: Re: What kind of animals exist?
Post by: Oviraptor on June 20, 2005, 10:00:04 am
And of course, the carnivores(cats, hyenas, weasels, dogs, bears, raccoons and pandas).

Pandas? I know giant pandas don't eat meat, but the red panda is the only other panda I know and I didn't think they ate meat. What pandas are you talking about?

Not to mention all the critters that are extinct, from the crazy forms found in the Burgess Shale, up to species killed by man.

If you really want to see some cool dead ends, look before the precambrian extinction.  Weird creatures there.
Title: Re: What kind of animals exist?
Post by: Jaleho on June 20, 2005, 10:13:56 am
Pandas? I know giant pandas don't eat meat, but the red panda is the only other panda I know and I didn't think they ate meat. What pandas are you talking about?

Genetically, pandas and raccoons evolved from the same ancestor. While the giant pandas themselves may not eat meat anymore, they're still members of Carnivora, even though they're not technically "carnivores".

That's why there's a difference between genetics and function - categorizing something with its ancestors is more scientific, while categorizing something by its abilities is more useful in a game like this - Spore is going to decide what you are based on your teeth, not what your mama's teeth were. Hence the comparison between the "evolutionary chart" idea someone mentioned, and how the Spore server will group our critters when populating an ecosystem - they both are useful in different ways.

It'll be a little annoying to see a world full of four-finned fish, four legged salamanders, and suddenly, six-legged mammals... or when you investigate a planet on the other side of the universe and discover a creature identical to one from your homeworld... but I can forgive a little scientific accuracy in exchange for some creative license. And who knows - maybe once the database grows big enough, they can modify the server to pupulate new planets even more accurately and believably - all on their end without changing a thing in our copies of the game!
Title: Re: What kind of animals exist?
Post by: Oviraptor on June 20, 2005, 10:38:52 am
Phew! I thought I was going crazy! You did say "carnivores" not Carnivora. Hence the confusion.

Speaking on the difference between genetics and function, do you know what the largest land mammal preditor ever was? Andrewsarchus. It was a hooved carnivore related to harses and rhinos. Sometime truth is stranger than fiction.
Title: Re: What kind of animals exist?
Post by: Jaleho on June 20, 2005, 11:05:21 am
Hooved predators... Tricordates... all the wonderful Spore possibilities ressurected from Earth's past... :)
Title: Re: What kind of animals exist?
Post by: BobFromReboot on June 20, 2005, 03:44:48 pm
Yeah, maybe as an easter egg you can eventually run across a mini clone of Earth and its solar system!
Title: Re: What kind of animals exist?
Post by: Hydromancerx on June 20, 2005, 04:11:12 pm
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Yeah, maybe as an easter egg you can eventually run across a mini clone of Earth and its solar system!

But with a caveman tribe! LOL!
Title: Re: What kind of animals exist?
Post by: Elyas on June 24, 2005, 03:28:04 pm
Yeah, maybe as an easter egg you can eventually run across a mini clone of Earth and its solar system!

Are the solar systems and galaxies that are going to be created going to be random or will they follow our current knowledge about the universe?  I hope it's from our current knowledge because I've always wanted to visit Uranus *snicker*. 

But seriously, that would be a fun easter egg if after you got the ufo you searched the universe for our solar system and found human creatures on earth.
Title: Re: What kind of animals exist?
Post by: sgore on June 30, 2005, 06:50:56 pm
birds. you forgot birds. they're their own catagory. they lay eggs, have feathers not fur, and their's another thing i forget... But i know they have their own catagory.
Title: Re: What kind of animals exist?
Post by: Jaleho on June 30, 2005, 07:42:16 pm
birds. you forgot birds. they're their own catagory. they lay eggs, have feathers not fur, and their's another thing i forget... But i know they have their own catagory.

Avians are birds - i had avians on the list
Title: Re: What kind of animals exist?
Post by: sgore on June 30, 2005, 08:05:12 pm
I was talking about Efreet's list. didn't see yours. sorry.
Title: Re: What kind of animals exist?
Post by: Dake on July 23, 2005, 12:44:17 am
Someone was talking about making a pokemon world in the first few pages of the first creature post.

Yeah i was oneofem.. BUT i had also said id rathe rnot waste my time when i have better more original ideas...sorry i thought id point the finger...at me..
Title: Re: What kind of animals exist?
Post by: Vivec on July 25, 2005, 10:42:13 am
A pokemon world would be pointless because you couldn't give them special powers. It might be fun to visit, not create, a planet filled with them for a zoo.
Title: Re: What kind of animals exist?
Post by: Doc Z on July 25, 2005, 11:02:43 am
Well basically all your own custom animals are plainly said pokemon without powers. Seeing the effect they have on one another will be interesting to see and do.

Hehehe, if I can create my own buildings I'm definately building a colliseum for creatures to battle in :)
Title: Re: What kind of animals exist?
Post by: Vivec on July 25, 2005, 02:45:22 pm
yeah... universe renowned colliseum where fighters are entered *cough* abducted *cough* and fight to the death... sounds fun