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Title: His Dark Materials. (Spoilers be here.)
Post by: blitzonator on February 01, 2008, 12:27:08 pm
The best trilogy ever.

I read the second (The Subtle Knife) and I know about the third. (The Amber Spyglass)

apart from having a bitter sweet ending, it's good. But Will's dad dies, Lyra and Will fall in love but they can't see each other due to the dimenson portals being evil. Sigh. Even the Aeronaut is killed.
Title: Re: His dark materials AKA the golden compass and others. (SPOILER CENTRAL)
Post by: Mr. Consideration on February 02, 2008, 01:53:31 am
I've read all of them.

It just seems towards the end of the second book and the third the plot disappears to be replaced with blurriness.

But still cool.
Title: Re: His dark materials AKA the golden compass and others. (SPOILER CENTRAL)
Post by: Ultimatum on February 14, 2008, 05:23:09 pm
I've got to reread the books.
Title: Re: His dark materials AKA the golden compass and others. (SPOILER CENTRAL)
Post by: Tesla on February 15, 2008, 02:29:14 am
I've read all of them.

It just seems towards the end of the second book and the third the plot disappears to be replaced with blurriness.

But still cool.

QFT.
Title: Re: His dark materials AKA the golden compass and others. (SPOILER CENTRAL)
Post by: King-Dumb on February 27, 2008, 03:04:40 pm
I have also read the trilogy but I have one question. Why is the first book here in the UK called Northen Lights; yet the USA version is called the really lame title (in my opinion) The Golden Compass? It just seems odd.

There was an artical in the telegraph magazine around about November last year saying that Philip Pullman didn't like the choice that religion was tune down in the film, but was happy how it stayed mainly true to the book. It was an intressing artical on his thoughts on the story.
Title: Re: His dark materials AKA the golden compass and others. (SPOILER CENTRAL)
Post by: /lurk on February 27, 2008, 03:43:33 pm
I should re-read these. I read them when I was young and I didn't notice the religious themes at all.

All I remember was the bears ripping stuff up, the woman snatching children with her killer ape and the other woman meeting the weird elephant-guys and making the eponymous spyglass. I think the elephant guys had wheels. And there was some kid with a knife who could travel between dimensions and stuff. Also hot air balloons.

You know, the cool bits. Quite how they added up to any semblance of plot is beyond my memory.
Title: Re: His dark materials AKA the golden compass and others. (SPOILER CENTRAL)
Post by: blitzonator on February 28, 2008, 02:32:15 pm
Acctually the Mulefa scene is one of the best ways to describe what two aliens should act like in that kind of case. Beginning to learn each other slowly.
Title: Re: His Dark Materials. (Spoilers be here.)
Post by: Kishmond on March 26, 2008, 01:30:29 pm
What is the book about? The movie didn't look interesting, and I've never seen it.
Title: Re: His Dark Materials. (Spoilers be here.)
Post by: blitzonator on March 26, 2008, 01:46:54 pm
What is the book about? The movie didn't look interesting, and I've never seen it.


Killing god. :P

It's about Lyra and Will. Lyra is trying to free her dad and sucseeds in the first, at the cost of her friend. Will finds a way to Lyra in the second but Lyra is captured at the end by her mother. Soon, they reunite to fight in the "Unfinished war" and accidently kill god. I've left out the more important parts for you so you can read the damn book.

Happy?
Title: Re: His Dark Materials. (Spoilers be here.)
Post by: Kishmond on March 26, 2008, 02:21:39 pm
Meh, still not interested.
Title: Re: His Dark Materials. (Spoilers be here.)
Post by: The Time Traveller on March 26, 2008, 03:01:56 pm
When I heard that it was about killing God, I just thought it was antiChristian.  Later I heard that the main characters literally murder God.  That's just dumb.  If God's dead, the devil is left, and how do you think he'll treat the world?
Title: Re: His Dark Materials. (Spoilers be here.)
Post by: blitzonator on March 26, 2008, 03:07:11 pm
When I heard that it was about killing God, I just thought it was antiChristian.  Later I heard that the main characters literally murder God.  That's just dumb.  If God's dead, the devil is left, and how do you think he'll treat the world?

Actually,

The devil fell into the void trying to protect his daughter. God was killed by accident, opened from his protective shell and blown to dust by the wind. Besides. The jerk deserved it. He was the first angel, a liar. He told the others he was god and triked most of them apart from a few who started a war. They lost, "God" began to suppress all the humans and then another war in which he and his brutal regent were killed.
Title: Re: His Dark Materials. (Spoilers be here.)
Post by: Gungnir on March 26, 2008, 03:45:48 pm
When I heard that it was about killing God, I just thought it was antiChristian.  Later I heard that the main characters literally murder God.  That's just dumb.  If God's dead, the devil is left, and how do you think he'll treat the world?
It's a work of fiction. Fantasy, no less. The "God" in that FICTIONAL universe is not the same as the one you believe in.

Also, killing God wouldn't be just "antichristian", but anti-just-about-all-monotheistic-(-and-possibly-some-polytheistic-)-religions.
Title: Re: His Dark Materials. (Spoilers be here.)
Post by: Kcronos on April 02, 2008, 02:20:36 pm
I've often entertained notions that perhaps God isn't the good guy.  I mean, look at the STATE of the world.

When I read Paradise Lost in class, I totally sympathized with Satan.  Technically he's right about God being a tyrant.  I mean, it ain't a democracy...

The point is, even if your leader or controller or whatever really is all-knowing and all-powerful, and even if it is likely that he is 100% good, should you allow him to rule?

If you are uncomfortable with this line of thought, think about it in this fashion:  The storyline of "With Folded Hands", wherein the robots we created take control and force us not to be able to cause hurt.  Is it right for them to control us, to subjugate us, even though it is okay in the end?  Human nature won't allow for that.  We inherently distrust and hate too much invasion into our lives.  Look at wire-tapping.  We don't like that.  So if there is a god, then even though he may know everything, we do not, and thus do not know his intentions.

I liked the Dark Materials series because it put humans on the same footing as God.  It gave us a Choice, not between good or evil, but between safety and Freedom.
Title: Re: His Dark Materials. (Spoilers be here.)
Post by: Doctor Sun on April 03, 2008, 11:31:26 pm
Greatest trilogy... ever? I'm inclined to disagree.

By no means is it a bad triad (which is rather painful to say), but it seems to ride upon the ideas it's trying to convey rather than the story. That's... somewhat crippling, when the storytelling supports the ideas in question. So to speak- Pullman isn't a bad author. Simply not the greatest storyteller- if he had conveyed his thesis in a treatise, I would've undoubtedly enjoyed it more. As a story, it doesn't evoke thought- it simply reminds us "yeah yeah question transcendence". There is no "why" and there is no "how". Just "do it kids".

But I'm a bitter, bitter doctor.
Title: Re: His Dark Materials. (Spoilers be here.)
Post by: DarkDragon on April 04, 2008, 07:16:27 pm
Greatest trilogy... ever? I'm inclined to disagree.

By no means is it a bad triad (which is rather painful to say), but it seems to ride upon the ideas it's trying to convey rather than the story. That's... somewhat crippling, when the storytelling supports the ideas in question. So to speak- Pullman isn't a bad author. Simply not the greatest storyteller- if he had conveyed his thesis in a treatise, I would've undoubtedly enjoyed it more. As a story, it doesn't evoke thought- it simply reminds us "yeah yeah question transcendence". There is no "why" and there is no "how". Just "do it kids".

But I'm a bitter, bitter doctor.


Sorry but I cannot trust any of your posts, simply because everything I've read from you so far is saying that "this or that sucks", is there something you actually liked? o_O
Title: Re: His Dark Materials. (Spoilers be here.)
Post by: Doctor Sun on April 04, 2008, 09:55:16 pm
Greatest trilogy... ever? I'm inclined to disagree.

By no means is it a bad triad (which is rather painful to say), but it seems to ride upon the ideas it's trying to convey rather than the story. That's... somewhat crippling, when the storytelling supports the ideas in question. So to speak- Pullman isn't a bad author. Simply not the greatest storyteller- if he had conveyed his thesis in a treatise, I would've undoubtedly enjoyed it more. As a story, it doesn't evoke thought- it simply reminds us "yeah yeah question transcendence". There is no "why" and there is no "how". Just "do it kids".

But I'm a bitter, bitter doctor.


Sorry but I cannot trust any of your posts, simply because everything I've read from you so far is saying that "this or that sucks", is there something you actually liked? o_O

Well gee, pardon me for having an opinion.

Anyways. Yeah. Book-wise. Rings Trilogy, Wheel of Time, Sword of Truth (until the end...), Fire and Ice, yeah.
Title: Re: His Dark Materials. (Spoilers be here.)
Post by: Mr. Consideration on April 05, 2008, 12:18:06 am
Greatest trilogy... ever? I'm inclined to disagree.

By no means is it a bad triad (which is rather painful to say), but it seems to ride upon the ideas it's trying to convey rather than the story. That's... somewhat crippling, when the storytelling supports the ideas in question. So to speak- Pullman isn't a bad author. Simply not the greatest storyteller- if he had conveyed his thesis in a treatise, I would've undoubtedly enjoyed it more. As a story, it doesn't evoke thought- it simply reminds us "yeah yeah question transcendence". There is no "why" and there is no "how". Just "do it kids".

But I'm a bitter, bitter doctor.


Sorry but I cannot trust any of your posts, simply because everything I've read from you so far is saying that "this or that sucks", is there something you actually liked? o_O

Well gee, pardon me for having an opinion.

Anyways. Yeah. Book-wise. Rings Trilogy, Wheel of Time, Sword of Truth (until the end...), Fire and Ice, yeah.

There you go, Dragon. Extract your vengeance. ;)