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Title: The 3D printer that prints a 3D printer
Post by: Sub on January 06, 2008, 10:53:09 pm
http://thepiratesdilemma.com/punk-capitalism/the-3-d-printer-that-can-print-a-3-d-printer

Not exactly spore related, but I thought you guys might be interested.
Title: Re: The 3D printer that prints a 3D pringer
Post by: Met on January 06, 2008, 11:00:36 pm
Still watching... But this line was good.

Quote
Chickens. Well, they can't fly and they can't run and they taste good. A recipe for evolutionary disaster.


It's almost like the beggining of replicators.

I shall have my universe with star trek technology. Holodecks, you're next!
Title: Re: The 3D printer that prints a 3D printer
Post by: FROMAN on January 07, 2008, 07:59:30 pm
Holodecks, you're next!
already done.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=wd7NClJOUOI (http://youtube.com/watch?v=wd7NClJOUOI)
Title: Re: The 3D printer that prints a 3D printer
Post by: Ultramarine on January 07, 2008, 08:06:10 pm
This seems revolutionary, self replicating machines are the wave of the future. Stuff like this gives me a "Nerdrection" I say so myself ;D. But on a serious note technology like this should be mass produced to help mankind, or destroy it ie the Terminator scenario.
Title: Re: The 3D printer that prints a 3D printer
Post by: The Time Traveller on January 07, 2008, 08:08:02 pm
Why does this reek of "Nanobots", or maybe "evolving Nanobots", or maybe even "evolving Nanobots destroying Mankind"?  I say, burn or delete all references to this technology, and put the guy who invented it in jail for life.
Title: Re: The 3D printer that prints a 3D printer
Post by: TotalSandwich on January 07, 2008, 08:12:39 pm
...because you are obsessed with a far-fetched scientific idea?
Title: Re: The 3D printer that prints a 3D printer
Post by: Little on January 07, 2008, 08:23:36 pm
Why does this reek of "Nanobots", or maybe "evolving Nanobots", or maybe even "evolving Nanobots destroying Mankind"?  I say, burn or delete all references to this technology, and put the guy who invented it in jail for life.

That seems a bit extreme...

Just put in AI safeguards, and we're good.
Title: Re: The 3D printer that prints a 3D printer
Post by: Harvestfreak on January 07, 2008, 08:36:47 pm
NO NOT THE REPLICATORS! GET THEM AWAY! AHHHHHHHH.

Hehe, just sounds like it has the potential to be really helpful in the beginning, then when AI gets put in. Then the command is put out to perfect everything, now the human race is gone!!!!
Title: Re: The 3D printer that prints a 3D printer
Post by: Aak193 on January 07, 2008, 09:12:12 pm
Dunno about you guy but Im thinking about getting one.
and when that happens we begin setup a mailing list to get people the parts.

First gamingsteve... then the world.             X) "Nerdrection"
ooo new subject 3d printers?
Title: Re: The 3D printer that prints a 3D printer
Post by: FROMAN on January 08, 2008, 12:15:07 pm
also without progress we would all still be living in caves.
Title: Re: The 3D printer that prints a 3D printer
Post by: Kcronos on January 08, 2008, 12:32:58 pm
Hmmmm...


THink if the first caveman who saw fire said, "Oh noes!  It'll burn us!  We must destroy it, any cave paintings of it, and feed its inventor to a tiger!"


We would never have progressed...
Title: Re: The 3D printer that prints a 3D printer
Post by: GCool on January 08, 2008, 02:26:14 pm
Good uses this could lead to: If used properly, would allow important parts of computers, machines, etc to buisnesses via email. The parts wouldn't be perfect, but would hold out untill better ones arrive.

Mass production of energy-saving devices to help the environment. - Doubtful. Very doubtful.

If incorperated into a mars rover, would allow the rover to create and assemble objects right there on the surface, such as cogs etc to fix itself, provided it is capable of moving those parts around itself. Theoreticly, if it were able to gather and use resources from the planet, turn them into a printable substance, it could become a self-sufficiant creation - the only things it'd need is commands and instructions from scientists on earth. Unfortunatly, verrry unrealistic, and won't happen for a long time.

Bad uses this could lead to: Not much, really. It's not that advanced in terms of technology, just clever. Anyone who thinks that this will quickly become Ai driven, self reproducing robots is very misguided. At the moment it is incapable of printing small circuit boards, and can't work with conductive metals anyway, meaning that the 'self replicating' aspect is only true for the body of the machine, not the technology driving it.
It's accuracy is rather shot, and untill the technology gets good enough to work in microscopic sizes, it won't be able to print anything near what we would consider current computer technology. Now, you can run a spaceshuttle off the equivelant of 10 old BBC computers, but untill this technology gets microscopic; any computers capable of I-Want-Independance AI would take up the majority of my school in terms of space. Not perfect for killing machines.
Nanobots obviously suffer the same problem.
No, we're far more at risk of normal IWIAI or hand-made nanobots than self-regenerating ones, at least for the next 20 odd years, i'd say.


Dosn't particually excite me. Id' prefer a normal 3D printer. However, if I can get all the parts to build one of these (and I know where I can look), I might have a go.
Title: Re: The 3D printer that prints a 3D printer
Post by: Neoskel on January 08, 2008, 02:32:46 pm
Hmmmm...


THink if the first caveman who saw fire said, "Oh noes!  It'll burn us!  We must destroy it, any cave paintings of it, and feed its inventor to a tiger!"


We would never have progressed...

"Ugga ugg fWOosh! OwowOWow! Ugga tHUnk thUNk, RawR thAG!"

*sounds of smashing, then roaring and screaming*

 ;D
Title: Re: The 3D printer that prints a 3D printer
Post by: Woulfe on January 08, 2008, 03:34:23 pm
Hmmmm...


THink if the first caveman who saw fire said, "Oh noes!  It'll burn us!  We must destroy it, any cave paintings of it, and feed its inventor to a tiger!"


We would never have progressed...

"Ugga ugg fWOosh! OwowOWow! Ugga tHUnk thUNk, RawR thAG!"

*sounds of smashing, then roaring and screaming*

 ;D

I know dat song....

~/o " I can't stop dis feelin' , deep inside of me , hey don't you realise what ya' do ta' me.... " o\~

- W -
* tongue planted firmly in cheek *
Title: Re: The 3D printer that prints a 3D printer
Post by: gec05 on January 08, 2008, 04:38:47 pm
Why does this reek of "Nanobots", or maybe "evolving Nanobots", or maybe even "evolving Nanobots destroying Mankind"?  I say, burn or delete all references to this technology, and put the guy who invented it in jail for life.

Try to curb that dystopian imagination of yours HW.
Title: Re: The 3D printer that prints a 3D printer
Post by: LadyM on January 08, 2008, 04:41:12 pm
~/o "when you hold me in your arms so tight.. you let me know, that every thing's alright..." o\~

Sorry we haven't had a forum sing-a-long in awhile and I know dat song too.  ;)
Title: Re: The 3D printer that prints a 3D printer
Post by: Cobra on January 08, 2008, 05:27:48 pm
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII'm...
Hooked on a feelin',
High on believin'
That you're in love with meeeeeee.

Your right miss M it's been to long.
Title: Re: The 3D printer that prints a 3D printer
Post by: DaMuncha on January 08, 2008, 05:43:47 pm
no no no it goes...

ooga chuka ooga chukka ooga ooga ooga chuka

ooga chuka ooga chukka ooga ooga ooga chuka

ooga chuka ooga chukka ooga ooga ooga chuka

etc...
Title: Re: The 3D printer that prints a 3D printer
Post by: Kcronos on January 08, 2008, 08:29:14 pm
Why does this reek of "Nanobots", or maybe "evolving Nanobots", or maybe even "evolving Nanobots destroying Mankind"?  I say, burn or delete all references to this technology, and put the guy who invented it in jail for life.

Try to curb that dystopian imagination of yours HW.


And for the last time:  Nanobots won't be able to travel vast regions of vacuum.  Ever.  Not to mention, they cannot "evolve" to withstand nuclear explosions, or survive in the sun.
Title: Re: The 3D printer that prints a 3D printer
Post by: Woulfe on January 09, 2008, 10:13:53 am
no no no it goes...

ooga chuka ooga chukka ooga ooga ooga chuka

ooga chuka ooga chukka ooga ooga ooga chuka

ooga chuka ooga chukka ooga ooga ooga chuka

etc...

I knew dat....

Way to ruin a perfectly good joke dere ;)

- W -
* As long as David Hasselhof doesn't sing it we should go right ahead and do our own sing along to it.... *
 
Title: Re: The 3D printer that prints a 3D printer
Post by: happydan20 on January 09, 2008, 09:09:09 pm
Why does this reek of "Nanobots", or maybe "evolving Nanobots", or maybe even "evolving Nanobots destroying Mankind"?  I say, burn or delete all references to this technology, and put the guy who invented it in jail for life.

Try to curb that dystopian imagination of yours HW.


And for the last time:  Nanobots won't be able to travel vast regions of vacuum.  Ever.  Not to mention, they cannot "evolve" to withstand nuclear explosions, or survive in the sun.

A small comfort to the life forms on earth ;)


I'm not really much of a dooms dayer, but you cant deny that as our technology increases, the effects become more pronounced and with momentum that becomes more difficult to stop.  Earlier someone made a reference to cavemen, if cavemen start a fire and burn some things.. the over all global impact is pretty null.  But today we have such a pollution problem that is destroying an entire planet, the only one we have in fact...

A lot of people think a fusion reactor will solve all of our future energy needs.  We've seen what a nuclear meltdown can do, its pretty devastating.  A fusion reaction accident would tear a hunk right out of the planet.

I think its pretty obvious that as we get bigger toys to play with, we end up with bigger toys implanted into our eyes, in the emergency room

Is it so hard to fathom that we could create a technology that would wipe us out?

Title: Re: The 3D printer that prints a 3D printer
Post by: GCool on January 10, 2008, 09:53:52 am
Nano materials themselfs act in different ways to the normal sized version of those same materials. That's one of the worrying things - so many products now are allready using nano products (i've seen socks with silver nano particals in them to help stop foot odur etc) that have been let into the market because they work in theory, and they've been tested as much as normal products get tested, but we don't yet know the long term effects of them (wash socks - particals go into water - into environment - we don't know what happens next, but it's micro pollution)

"Nano" technology is new, and it needs to be tested extensivly.

And any sort of energy to 'save the world', for me, has to have been proved to have been safe, with no aspect of it going wrong being dangerous for the environment it wants to save. Air power, water power, solar power; no possible side effects (with the exception of ruining countryside and one or two minor problems that might arise with water). Nuclear power: playing with dangerous chemicals and elements is never a good thing.
Title: Re: The 3D printer that prints a 3D printer
Post by: Quantum Burrito on January 10, 2008, 11:49:48 am
A lot of people think a fusion reactor will solve all of our future energy needs.  We've seen what a nuclear meltdown can do, its pretty devastating.  A fusion reaction accident would tear a hunk right out of the planet.

A fusion reactor is incapable of having an 'accident'. If you want to comment on science things, you have to read about them first.

Fusion reactors need temperatures hotter than the sun to work. If that disappears, it is an instant freeze. It just stops working, in under a millisecond. The temperature is so great that if the chamber was ever breached, the energy would be dissipated into the surroundings in a fraction of a second.

The heat is so concentrated at the centre of the track, that the change in temperature to the room would actually be negligible. That's why they need massive magnets, to keep the energy concentrated in the middle.
Title: Re: The 3D printer that prints a 3D printer
Post by: FROMAN on January 10, 2008, 12:14:01 pm
A lot of people think a fusion reactor will solve all of our future energy needs.  We've seen what a nuclear meltdown can do, its pretty devastating.  A fusion reaction accident would tear a hunk right out of the planet.
i believe your talking about the nonexistent 4,000,000 megaton bomb
Title: Re: The 3D printer that prints a 3D printer
Post by: DaMuncha on January 10, 2008, 06:43:07 pm
that'd be a 4 teraton bomb
Title: Re: The 3D printer that prints a 3D printer
Post by: FROMAN on January 10, 2008, 06:55:17 pm
now that you mention it yes it would be that.(it would probably be an antimatter bomb)
Title: Re: The 3D printer that prints a 3D printer
Post by: Admiral Zombie on January 10, 2008, 09:07:37 pm
I remember seeing this on digg the other day. I actually am getting a push for my engineering club at school to produce one. Things are looking good for producing it.


But this is somewhat spore related. There has been talk of being able to order a 3-D model of your creature. Does anyone know what format the game saves your creatures as? It may be possible to print them out yourself.
Title: Re: The 3D printer that prints a 3D printer
Post by: 7 who ate 9 on January 11, 2008, 09:35:30 pm
I still don't get how the 3-d printer works. Can someone explain it to me?
Title: Re: The 3D printer that prints a 3D printer
Post by: sltlamina on January 12, 2008, 03:13:58 am
Macrobots. Eventually they'll be making nanobots... it's only a matter of time.
Title: Re: The 3D printer that prints a 3D printer
Post by: Met on January 12, 2008, 07:09:21 pm
I still don't get how the 3-d printer works. Can someone explain it to me?

The machine can build 60% of the parts of what it is. But it doesn't assemble itself.

The creators of this machine want it to be able to replicate itself completely and be able to build all the pieces it just made into a replica of itself.

Thus leading to the idea of self-replicating microscopic robots that everyone is talking about above.
Title: Re: The 3D printer that prints a 3D printer
Post by: sltlamina on January 12, 2008, 08:02:29 pm
I still don't get how the 3-d printer works. Can someone explain it to me?

The machine can build 60% of the parts of what it is. But it doesn't assemble itself.

The creators of this machine want it to be able to replicate itself completely and be able to build all the pieces it just made into a replica of itself.

Thus leading to the idea of self-replicating microscopic robots that everyone is talking about above.

They probably will be able to assemble themselves one day. It'll be all neat to watch until one shoots foam at your face witch quickly solidifies, choking you to death!
Title: Re: The 3D printer that prints a 3D printer
Post by: DarkDragon on January 12, 2008, 08:12:05 pm
When they will have inteligence and be able to copy themselves, then we will be all doomed :D
Title: Re: The 3D printer that prints a 3D printer
Post by: sltlamina on January 12, 2008, 08:29:36 pm
When they will have inteligence and be able to copy themselves, then we will be all doomed :D

We could just let off a nuclear bomb at a high altitude, it'd wipe out any of them in a couple of hundred kilometres.
Title: Re: The 3D printer that prints a 3D printer
Post by: DaMuncha on January 13, 2008, 03:33:53 am
When they will have inteligence and be able to copy themselves, then we will be all doomed :D

We could just let off a nuclear bomb at a high altitude, it'd wipe out any of them in a couple of hundred kilometres.

And all other life at the same time.
Title: Re: The 3D printer that prints a 3D printer
Post by: sltlamina on January 13, 2008, 03:49:21 am
When they will have inteligence and be able to copy themselves, then we will be all doomed :D

We could just let off a nuclear bomb at a high altitude, it'd wipe out any of them in a couple of hundred kilometres.

And all other life at the same time.

Well not everything would be killed, just a lot of the things from places that the radioactive particles were carried to by the air currents. At least the threat of the printers would be ended by the EMP.
Title: Re: The 3D printer that prints a 3D printer
Post by: DaMuncha on January 15, 2008, 12:55:16 am
I suppose the cockroaches would survive
Title: Re: The 3D printer that prints a 3D printer
Post by: plastik on January 15, 2008, 12:16:02 pm
What about something like this to combat such a machine:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explosively_pumped_flux_compression_generator (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explosively_pumped_flux_compression_generator)
This technology can be used to make an E-Bomb which would disable these 'things' fairly quickly. Faraday cages can be used to defend our own useful circuitry from EMP's, but that also brings on the question of what we'd do if they produced their own shielding against EMP. This kind of thing would happen only if they were made to be super-intelligent though.
Title: Re: The 3D printer that prints a 3D printer
Post by: Kcronos on January 15, 2008, 12:30:37 pm
How would they shield against EMP, pray tell?


I'm assuming you need a barrier of some sorts, like lead.  But that would have to be a large barrier, hence not making them nano anymore...
Title: Re: The 3D printer that prints a 3D printer
Post by: plastik on January 15, 2008, 01:06:37 pm
Being so small, they could even be smaller than the wavelength of the electromagnetic radiation, and thus be immune from it. Failing that, a mesh of conducting metal with holes smaller than the wavelength of the radiation, would protect them. The mesh would probably stop it from cloning into the area around, unless it just burst open with dozens of clones when the pressure gets too high inside (and the clones themselves would also have the shielding and would continue the cycle). But this is seriously getting impossible now...
Title: Re: The 3D printer that prints a 3D printer
Post by: Kcronos on January 15, 2008, 01:59:33 pm
Its safe to say that by that time, humanity won't matter anymore  :D
Title: Re: The 3D printer that prints a 3D printer
Post by: Kcronos on January 15, 2008, 03:39:51 pm
Are you saying we've reached the technological singularity, and I didn't notice?!  :o
Title: Re: The 3D printer that prints a 3D printer
Post by: Yokto on January 15, 2008, 05:51:47 pm
I still don't get how the 3-d printer works. Can someone explain it to me?

A 3D printer is what is sounds like. Something that prints 3D objects. Now there are not one type of 3D prints out there. In fact there are many different ways. Everything for machines that mod plastics to machines that cut out objects of solid blocks of metal.

In the future they might evolve in to Fabricators, Santa machines or Replicators (Yeah. No one is really sure what the call them really.) That will work smiler superficially to the replicators in Star Trek. You just order the machine to build you something you need and it does that.



I am writing a paper that touches on the topic right now for school. This i believe will be a new industrial revolutions that might change a lot more then we can imagine.