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Title: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** THE NICE WIN**
Post by: LadyM on December 13, 2007, 02:24:10 pm
Deaths
ClockwerkNice - TINY TIM  - killed on day 1
METALLIC DRAGON - Naughty GIFTWRAPPER  - found dead on night 1
OVIRAPTOR - Naughty YETI - found dead on night 2
PATMAN33 - Naughty SCROOGE - found dead on night 2
HELLOWORLD - Jack Frost - turned into powdered sugar on day 3
DOCTORZ - Reindeer DANCER - turned into powdered sugar on day 3
PLANK OF WOOD - Nice Giftwrapper - killed on Night 3
YOKTO - Naughty Candymaker - killed on night 3
PERSON21 - Rudolph - killed on night 3
DANZIK - BAD SANTA - Lynched o Day 4
KING-DUMB - GHOST - turned into powdered sugar on day 4
SLARTIBARTFAST - CHUCKY - Killed on night 4
NEOTERIC Nice Reindeer/traitor - Killed on Night 4
KISHMOND - Nice Santa - killed on Day 5
SBD - Bad Santa - powdered sugar on Day 5
CELDUR - Naughty Ghost - killed on Day 6
YOSSITARU - The Mouse King - killed on Night 6
ALWAYSWATCHING - The Grinch/new Mouse King - Killed on Day 7
RHODIX - Naughty Gingerbreadman - powdered sugar Day 7
MET - Nice Tiny Tim - powdered sugar Day 7

Game over: The Nice Win!!!




The game has begun...

Deep in the North Pole lies a small village better known as Christmas Town. This is where Santa and the elves make the toys he delivers at Christmas. Things have always run smoothly and everyone got along until recently. A small faction of his elves and helpers were becoming very Naughty. There was stealing and back stabbing and sabotage at the factories. One day a very troubling report came in regarding an arson fire at the Doll Warehouse. Every single doll that had been made during the year was destroyed and 10 of his elves were killed in the blaze. Santa was angry, he had enough of this nonsense. No one was going to sabotage Christmas Day, not even his rogue elves. He called a meeting of all his helpers from near and far and declared war on the Naughty Mafia elves.

The clean up job would not be easy and Santa might lose a few good people along the way but they had to find all of the troublemakers. Being old and wise, Santa declared that the only justice for these bad elves would be a burning at the stake. The line was drawn and Santa had no idea how deep the betrayals ran. Before the week was over the snow would turn red with the blood of many.


DAY 1

The Nice vs The Naughty
Post your vote for the first person to be accused of being naughty and to face Santa's wrath. You must vote each day phase, you cannot abstain. You can change your vote one time during each day phase.

Start Time: 05:30 pm, 12-13-07
Minimum Phase Length: 24 Hours
If everyone votes, this phase will end early.

Remember, you cannot abstain, you must cast a vote.
(Alphabetized)
Alwayswatching
Brandonazz - Helloworld
Celdur - Inkling
Clockwerk - Yokto Patman33
Cobra -Met
Danzik - neoadept
Doctor Z
Froman
Helloworld
Inkling - DoctorZ Clockwerk
Killerboy85 - Helloworld
King-dumb - clockwerk
Kishmond - Clockwerk
Krakow Sam - Clockwerk
Lualmoba - Rhodix
Met - Clockwerk
Metallic Dragon - Clockwerk
Mr Consideration - Total Sandwich Clockwerk
neoadept - Patman33
Neoteric - unlamp
Oviraptor - DoctorZ
Patman33 - neoadept
Person21 -Inkling
Plank of Wood - Patman
Rhodix
SBD - Patman
sgore - clockwerk
Slartibartfast - doctorz
Space Oddity -danzik
Total Sandwich - Helloworld Clockwerk
unlamp -neoteric
Yokto - Froman Clockwerk
Yossitaru - Clockwerk neoadept


Total Votes
clockwerk - 10
Patman33 - 4
neoadept - 3
Helloworld - 2
Inkling - 2
DoctorZ - 2
Rhodix - 1
Danzik - 1
Met - 1
unlamp - 1
neoteric - 1

Did not vote
Alwayswatching
DoctorZ
Froman
Helloworld
Rhodix
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Person21 on December 13, 2007, 03:09:45 pm
So, random accusations everyone?
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Clockwerk on December 13, 2007, 03:26:16 pm
Don't be a senator McCarthy.

I say all nice people don't vote so we can see who is bad.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Yokto on December 13, 2007, 03:29:45 pm
Oh i almost forgot. I need to vote.

I vote Froman

Ops. My bad. I did not know there was a master plan. I vote on no one. (PLEASE DO NOT KILL ME!)
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Clockwerk on December 13, 2007, 03:31:36 pm
Oh i almost forgot. I need to vote.

I vote Froman

No reason? THAT IS NO GOOD!!!!!  HE IS A COMMIE!!!!! GET HIM!!!

I vote Yokto.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Yokto on December 13, 2007, 03:47:50 pm
OK out of self preservation i have to vote on the McCarthy i mean Clockwerk. :(
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Clockwerk on December 13, 2007, 04:04:25 pm
OK out of self preservation i have to vote on the McCarthy i mean Clockwerk. :(

In self perservation I vote the commie Yokto

lets not vote at random please.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Brandonazz on December 13, 2007, 04:04:54 pm
Quote from: LadyM
Remember, you cannot abstain, you must cast a vote.

I guess I'll vote for Helloworld out of tradition.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: PatMan33 on December 13, 2007, 04:05:56 pm
Neoadept.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Lualmoba on December 13, 2007, 04:07:39 pm
lets not vote at random please.

What else can we do at this point?
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Hammerman58 on December 13, 2007, 04:16:07 pm
Helloworld is giving off a bad vibe.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: TotalSandwich on December 13, 2007, 04:17:06 pm
Kill 'im.

I vote HW.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Celdur on December 13, 2007, 04:22:19 pm
well...i have no freaking idea who to vote on...so i'll vote on inkling...because he has a goatee

and everyone knows goatee`s are evil :P
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Clockwerk on December 13, 2007, 04:29:41 pm
Killerboy and Lualmoba are up to something


I change my vote to Patman33.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Lualmoba on December 13, 2007, 04:33:24 pm
Killerboy and Lualmoba are up to something

I don't think your assessments will have much weight later on in the game if you keep accusing everyone. ;)
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Clockwerk on December 13, 2007, 04:35:29 pm
Killerboy and Lualmoba are up to something

I don't think your assessments will have much weight later on in the game if you keep accusing everyone. ;)

It just seems odd you two accuse the same person without much reason.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Lualmoba on December 13, 2007, 04:38:04 pm
Uh, I think you mean TotalSandwich, then. I haven't accused anyone yet.

Edit: And Brandon also accused HW.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Clockwerk on December 13, 2007, 04:38:41 pm
Uh, I think you mean TotalSandwich, then. I haven't accused anyone yet.


My mistake  :-\
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Yokto on December 13, 2007, 04:39:16 pm
ok i will withdraw my vote and vote for Killerboy then.

But is seems pretty convenient that they jump on HW. If he is proven to be innocent i guess we know which faction we should vote next for  >:(
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Lualmoba on December 13, 2007, 04:40:18 pm
I don't think you can do that now. I think you can only change your vote once.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Celdur on December 13, 2007, 04:41:36 pm
well they pobably vote for helloworld because they dont like him...and that is totaly not the point of the game...

and please try not to confuse ladym everyone  ::)
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: TotalSandwich on December 13, 2007, 04:44:54 pm
Not voting because I don't like him. Voting because somebody has to die, and we don't have a whole body of evidence to go on.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Clockwerk on December 13, 2007, 04:46:37 pm
I still voting Patman he says only who he votes for and gives no reason for it, highy out of place.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Brandonazz on December 13, 2007, 05:31:07 pm
You think I'm plotting because I voted HW?

Look at the last one, I voted him then too.

It's tradition.  ;D
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Neoadept on December 13, 2007, 05:39:11 pm
Patman33, because he started it.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Clockwerk on December 13, 2007, 05:52:12 pm
Patman33 I want an explainion for your actions.

For Brandonazz and TotalSandwich my mistake both of you, It just seemed a little like you were up to something.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Kishmond on December 13, 2007, 08:06:00 pm
I vote for Clockwerk, he seems a little antsy.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Inkling on December 13, 2007, 08:18:18 pm
well...i have no freaking idea who to vote on...so i'll vote on inkling...because he has a goatee

and everyone knows goatee`s are evil :P

Thanks a lot.  Since I have nothing else to go on, I'll vote Doctor Z.  Those fangs are much more evil than any facial hair that I posses.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: TotalSandwich on December 13, 2007, 08:44:47 pm
Changed to clockwerk.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Lualmoba on December 13, 2007, 09:44:49 pm
Since we don't have much to go on, I will vote for the 20th person in the list. Therefore, I vote for Rhodix.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: MetallicDragon on December 13, 2007, 09:45:25 pm
Wouldn't it be just like a mafia naughty person to latch onto anyone who did something weird in an attempt to sway votes towards a towny nice person? So therefore I say we vote Clockwork. Just ignore the fact that I'm doing the same thing in a desperate attempt to bring harmony to chaos.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: SBD on December 13, 2007, 09:46:19 pm
I vote patman.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Person21 on December 14, 2007, 12:09:47 am
I vote Inkling, because I have nothing else to go on

Wouldn't it be just like a mafia naughty person to latch onto anyone who did something weird in an attempt to sway votes towards a towny nice person? So therefore I say we vote Clockwork. Just ignore the fact that I'm doing the same thing in a desperate attempt to bring harmony to chaos.

Not always, trust me.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: SpaceOddity on December 14, 2007, 12:53:31 am
I vote Danzig, how can a Mod be anything but naughty...  ;D
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: SBD on December 14, 2007, 02:11:29 am
I still haven't completely figured out how this game works...  :-\
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Neoadept on December 14, 2007, 03:27:50 am
The person with the most votes gets lynched.  Try to get a naughty lynched.  The first round is always chaotic because we have nothing to go on, we just see if we can spot a naughty by their behavior for now.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Cobra on December 14, 2007, 05:13:27 am
Sorry I took as long as I did. Busy day at work due to office christmas party so little time for early voting then add to the fact our pc was playing up. All is good now. Enough back story I choose to vote for Met. Nothing against you Met I just need to pick someone.

I'd also like to point out I may be too busy to read all posts so I may not be able to follow trends. I'll try to make the effort though. I will make sure I at least to vote and will make sure I participate as much as possible. This is mostly to let LadyM know but also for the benefit of those voting even if you don't believe it. I should be able to be involved over the weekend more still.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Slartibartfast on December 14, 2007, 06:30:50 am
I vote DoctorZ.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Met on December 14, 2007, 07:10:02 am
I vote Clockwerk
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Krakow Sam on December 14, 2007, 07:14:54 am
Sorry I'm late. Internet's been playing up something awful.

Lets see... I vote this clockwerk character because I've never heard of him before.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Plank of Wood on December 14, 2007, 07:16:45 am
I vote Patman33, because I have nothing to base this on.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Yossitaru on December 14, 2007, 08:24:34 am
Following through the last couple pages, I have come to the conclusion that clockwerk has become quite a bit on the crazy side. Asking for reasons so early on the first day? That seems suspicious.

Vote: clockwerk.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: King-Dumb on December 14, 2007, 08:36:51 am
Going around my normal business in Christmas Town, getting things ready for Christmas (eg. buying cards, being merry etc.) I went into my favortive lunch time cafe to have a nice warm cup of tea.

I picked up my newspaper for the day and read that there was a plot to take over our lovely, merry little town!

As I looked above my newspaper and around the room I saw someone starring evilly at me. I didn't know them personalily but I knew their name which was clockwerk.

To be continued...


Ps. Is posting your vote in a mini story ok? I though it would give a more Christmas feel to the game. Oh I vote for clockwerk if you haven't guessed.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Mr. Consideration on December 14, 2007, 09:27:02 am
I think that Clockwerk is simply zealous but misinformed.

Although I note that TotalSandwhich was quick put the noose around Clockwerk's neck.

So, I vote for Total Sandwhich.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Neoteric on December 14, 2007, 10:14:02 am
I'm voting for unlamp.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Mr. Consideration on December 14, 2007, 10:41:10 am
I'm voting for unlamp.

Any paticular reason?
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Plank of Wood on December 14, 2007, 10:43:15 am
It's the first round.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Danzik on December 14, 2007, 10:59:40 am
Neoadept
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Neoteric on December 14, 2007, 11:27:11 am
I'm voting for unlamp.

Any paticular reason?

It's the first round, and I haven't seen any particularly good evidence of anyone being naughty. I agree with what you said about Clockwerk, but I don't think it's enough evidence to accuse TotalSandwich. After all, this is the first round, so people are likely to jump at anything even slightly suspicious. So, I resorted to voting randomly.

Now I'm curious. Why did you question the reasons for my vote?
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Mr. Consideration on December 14, 2007, 12:04:29 pm
Because I'm Naughty and wish to find out where my Naughty brethren have messed up. Or some complicated diversionary tactic.

Or, I was just curious, because most people give a reason, even if it is just 'It's the first round.'
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Plank of Wood on December 14, 2007, 12:52:16 pm
This game is so accusitious. I love it.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Neoteric on December 14, 2007, 12:56:15 pm
Yeah, I thought it was just curiosity.

I guess I just assumed that it would be interpreted as a random vote, seeing as it's the first round and all. Slarti didn't give a reason and wasn't questioned, after all.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: sgore on December 14, 2007, 01:26:14 pm
Clockwerk
But for completely different reasons than everyone else.
Completely different.
Not that I know what anyone elses reasons are mind you, but I feel that should be noted.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: unlamp on December 14, 2007, 01:48:07 pm
I'm voting neoteric.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Clockwerk on December 14, 2007, 01:48:40 pm
I'm voting for unlamp.

Any paticular reason?

It's the first round, and I haven't seen any particularly good evidence of anyone being naughty. I agree with what you said about Clockwerk, but I don't think it's enough evidence to accuse TotalSandwich. After all, this is the first round, so people are likely to jump at anything even slightly suspicious. So, I resorted to voting randomly.

Now I'm curious. Why did you question the reasons for my vote?

Look I said accuseing TotalSandwich was a total mistake.

Why voting are people voting for me?  For crieing out loud I'm a Tiny Tim and I'm am nice, if I am accuses at random than am sorry, I'm just a little parnoid and over-zealous.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Plank of Wood on December 14, 2007, 01:50:33 pm
No you silly person, I was informed by the Lady of the M that you Mrs Clause!

jk
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Clockwerk on December 14, 2007, 01:56:21 pm
No you silly person, I was informed by the Lady of the M that you Mrs Clause!

jk

No I'm Tiny Tim.

King-Dumb
Yossitaru
Krakow Sam
Met
MetallicDragon


Please all, I swear I am Tiny Tim, :'( :'( if you are nice please change your votes.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Mr. Consideration on December 14, 2007, 02:00:59 pm
I side with sgore in this, because otherwise my vote shall achieve nothing, and I will be remembered as dissenter if we hang a Naughty.


Clockwerk shall hang, I say!
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Plank of Wood on December 14, 2007, 02:02:09 pm
Check the fine print.  ::)


Also, remember that SOMEONE has to be voted out on the first round, it just happens that you are taking the fire.


Everyone vote for Patman33, we want this to be a mod free zone.


And sgore hasn't voted yet, you gave him away you mong......goose!
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Yossitaru on December 14, 2007, 02:07:07 pm
Pat is not a mod. If you want moderator free, you need to target Krakow Sam and Danzik.

As for your logic, clockwerk, it has no backing. The only thing it shows is that you are drawing yourself to get burnt. Perhaps protecting someone a little higher up in the naughty hierarchy... but whom...?
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: PatMan33 on December 14, 2007, 02:10:03 pm
Everyone vote for Patman33, we want this to be a mod free zone.

Okay... normally in the Mafia games I like to remain low key and relatively quiet... but damn... that  was stupid.

Does lighten the mood though... whatever, back into game-mode.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Clockwerk on December 14, 2007, 02:10:15 pm
I side with sgore in this, because otherwise my vote shall achieve nothing, and I will be remembered as dissenter if we hang a Naughty.


Clockwerk shall hang, I say!


I am Tiny Tim
Please don't kill me!!! Please!!!  Yes I have been a little over-Zealous and yes I have been parnoid, but I am working for the betterment of all nice people!!! I swear on my honor, my life and all what nice people hold dear!!!  

Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Clockwerk on December 14, 2007, 02:12:12 pm
Pat is not a mod. If you want moderator free, you need to target Krakow Sam and Danzik.

As for your logic, clockwerk, it has no backing. The only thing it shows is that you are drawing yourself to get burnt. Perhaps protecting someone a little higher up in the naughty hierarchy... but whom...?

I am not evil, naughty or anything.  You on the other hand seem to want me to get brunt for some reason.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: unlamp on December 14, 2007, 02:15:15 pm
No you silly person, I was informed by the Lady of the M that you Mrs Clause!

jk
I was informed by lady M that someone else was Mrs. Clause..which is making me slightly suspicious of you for saying that.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Yossitaru on December 14, 2007, 02:16:24 pm
Looking over your actions again, Clockwerk, I have come to a new conclusion. In the view of the chance that you are trying to protect someone else at the cost of your own life, I change my vote.

Vote: neoadept


   Warning - while you were typing 4 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post.

I am not evil, naughty or anything.  You on the other hand seem to want me to get brunt for some reason.

As for that, there's still no proof, anyone can claim anything, but we don't know anything until someone dies. Death is the only 100% proof in this game. And besides it all, I was not the first to vote for you.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Plank of Wood on December 14, 2007, 02:16:30 pm
When you are given your role, you are also given the name of Mrs Clause if you are nice, but naughtys arn't. So if you can tell the people who voted for you his/her name, you have proof that you are nice.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Clockwerk on December 14, 2007, 02:19:16 pm
When you are given your role, you are also given the name of Mrs Clause if you are nice, but naughtys arn't. So if you can tell the people who voted for you his/her name, you have proof that you are nice.

I would rather go to my grave than possibly give that kine of infomation to a possible naughty person.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Plank of Wood on December 14, 2007, 02:20:41 pm
Then we have no choice but to vote for you.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Yokto on December 14, 2007, 02:22:35 pm
Oh i see one can only change once vote once. Sorry Clockwerk. I do not really believe you naughty but you brought it on your self when you cast your vote on me. :(
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Plank of Wood on December 14, 2007, 02:23:28 pm
I'll say this then,

Mrs. Clause is one of the people who voted for me!


*Checks*

Oh bloody hell.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Clockwerk on December 14, 2007, 02:24:35 pm
I'll say this then,

Mrs. Clause is one of the people who voted for me!


*Checks*

Oh bloody hell.

What?

Yokto I thought you voted for Killerboy last.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Plank of Wood on December 14, 2007, 02:25:28 pm
My post is confusing? Aha, ha, he.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Oviraptor on December 14, 2007, 02:26:13 pm
This is messy... I'm just going to pick at random. I don't really have a clue who anyone is yet, so I don't really see how I can do any better than that. :-\

DoctorZ

Also isn't PMing against the rules? I could have sworn I read that somewhere.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Plank of Wood on December 14, 2007, 02:27:54 pm
Checking to see who is sending pms is, but pming other players is fine.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Yokto on December 14, 2007, 02:28:28 pm
I'll say this then,

Mrs. Clause is one of the people who voted for me!


*Checks*

Oh bloody hell.

What?

Yokto I thought you voted for Killerboy last.

I did but i think you can only change your vote once :(
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Clockwerk on December 14, 2007, 02:28:46 pm
My post is confusing? Aha, ha, he.

Nervermind, I got it.

Should I post Mrs. Clause's Identidy to save my own skin? :-\ :-\ :-\
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: PatMan33 on December 14, 2007, 02:29:57 pm
That is against the rules. Did you even bother to read them?
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Plank of Wood on December 14, 2007, 02:30:21 pm
Thats like someone in a group of secret FBI agents yelling out and pointing at their leader in a crouded area "He's a secret FBI agent who can arest you for no reason!"
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Mr. Consideration on December 14, 2007, 02:30:43 pm
I have no conviction that Clockwerk is naughty anymore.

But that doesn't matter, because he'll hang anyway and I can't change my vote. Even if I could, I'd be outweighed.


DON'T POST MRS CLAUSE'S IDENTITY OR SHE *WILL* DIE.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Clockwerk on December 14, 2007, 02:31:05 pm
I'll say this then,

Mrs. Clause is one of the people who voted for me!


*Checks*

Oh bloody hell.

What?

Yokto I thought you voted for Killerboy last.

I did but i think you can only change your vote once :(

But you only voted for me. ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: LadyM on December 14, 2007, 02:32:15 pm
Checking to see who is sending pms is, but pming other players is fine.
No, you can't pm other players, you can't share information with each other unless you are part of the naughty group and you cannot tell anyone else's role in the game. If you post Mrs. Claus identity, you will be kicked from the game.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Plank of Wood on December 14, 2007, 02:33:03 pm
Ah blast, I better leave then.  :'(
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Clockwerk on December 14, 2007, 02:34:15 pm
Checking to see who is sending pms is, but pming other players is fine.
No, you can't pm other players, you can't share information with each other unless you are part of the naughty group and you cannot tell anyone else's role in the game. If you post Mrs. Claus identity, you will be kicked from the game.

Better reason not to tell.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Plank of Wood on December 14, 2007, 02:37:09 pm
Quote
LadyM  10:35:52 PM Unknown Action



Don't ban me, please!
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Inkling on December 14, 2007, 02:37:29 pm
I think its about time for the day phase to be over, but I'm going to change my vote to Clockwerk.  If you're going to freak out like this you'll just be a liability to the game.  Nothing personal.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Clockwerk on December 14, 2007, 02:39:14 pm
I think its about time for the day phase to be over, but I'm going to change my vote to Clockwerk.  If you're going to freak out like this you'll just be a liability to the game.  Nothing personal.

I know, I want to be kicked out too now  :-[ :-[ :-[.

Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: LadyM on December 14, 2007, 02:42:17 pm
Time is up, let me get the votes counted.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: LadyM on December 14, 2007, 03:05:18 pm
The Elves went wild, and accusations wet all over the place. A newcomer to the City eventually  had all eyes upon him though he professed in innocence. The angry mob all looked at Clockwerk as he begged that he was innocent. They grabbed him and tied him to a Christmas tree and set it on fire. Poor Clockwerk was burned alive. A search of his room after his death revealed that Clockwerk was indeed a nice Tiny Tim. The crowd felt awful and they went back to their rooms for some cookies and milk and rethink the events of the day. Meanwhile the naughty group was busy with their own plans....

It is now night time. The Naughty can scheme and decide who to kill and who is doing it.
Everyone else, pm me your power use if you wish to use it now.

Phase begins: 6:00 pm EST
Min. time 15 hours.


Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Mr. Consideration on December 14, 2007, 03:09:33 pm
Oh bugger.

Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Yokto on December 14, 2007, 03:29:38 pm
:(



Anyway. Even if one spill there identity (or anyone else) How do one know there not lying?
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Celdur on December 14, 2007, 04:35:34 pm
The Elves went wild, and accusations wet all over the place. A newcomer to the City eventually  had all eyes upon him though he professed in innocence. The angry mob all looked at Clockwerk as he begged that he was innocent. They grabbed him and tied him to a Christmas tree and set it on fire. Poor Clockwerk was burned alive. A search of his room after his death revealed that Clockwerk was indeed a nice Tiny Tim. The crowd felt awful and they went back to their rooms for some cookies and milk and rethink the events of the day. Meanwhile the naughty group was busy with their own plans....

It is now night time. The Naughty can scheme and decide who to kill and who is doing it.
Everyone else, pm me your power use if you wish to use it now.

Phase begins: 6:00 pm EST
Min. time 15 hours.




damn this is like a combination of mp: quest for the holy grail and south parks criter christmas episode  ;D
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: PatMan33 on December 14, 2007, 04:43:00 pm
Anyone up for a blood orgy?
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Yokto on December 14, 2007, 05:48:50 pm
OK anyone got a strategy? We must have some plan. And just because it night dose not mean we should sit ideally by and wait the Naughty have free reign. If is anything like the other Mafia game then there sure to be plotting something. Anyone got a good survival strategy?
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Neoadept on December 14, 2007, 06:15:26 pm
I propose that for now we continue with our own suspicions.  Those of us who have unlimited powers or have an idea on who might be naughty should use them tonight.  Tomorrow we'll see who gets stirred up and figure out where to go from there.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Yokto on December 14, 2007, 06:19:36 pm
I guess you are our unofficial leader? (I just hope you not with the naughty >_>)

Still the chances of that are low. little more then 33% if i have done my math right. (That simply based on the ratio)
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Neoadept on December 14, 2007, 06:37:17 pm
Do you want me dead?  Announcing me the leader of the nice will get me knocked off tonight, so I'll thank you if you don't.

That said, that was either a slip up, or a clever way of checking to see if I was naughty or nice (a naughty may not have realized that a real nice wouldn't want to be leader).  Since you've done this before and are usually pretty good about it, I'll assume you were being clever.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Yokto on December 14, 2007, 06:48:19 pm
I guess :)

Though what you know that i know that you know and so on... This could become a very paranoid game >_>

I know i would not what to be the leader of the nice. Maybe if i had a immunity card like someone protecting me. Still it would be to early for that. You better not stick out your neck. But who know what the other elves will think. I am afraid we will have a lot of Clockwerk type lychings :(

Well i better go to bed. Night all. I just hope i will wake up with my life intact <_<
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Cobra on December 15, 2007, 04:15:48 am
This could become a very paranoid game >_>

This already is and always was a very paranoid game. The entire game runs on paranoia the Mafia/naughty use it to their advantage the townies/nice must sift through. Townies have a huge advantage in that this is a large game it gives us more time to notice the voting patterns. Obviously the longer the game runs the better the odds tip in our favour. So protectors should be in full force. Just remember there is a psycho out there as well and it is in his best interest to take out Naughty if the naughty get too strong they can rule the game and can eliminate until they find him.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Yokto on December 15, 2007, 04:34:22 am
I almost forgot about chucky. Well at least chucky can work for us if the naughty gets to powerful like you said.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: LadyM on December 15, 2007, 07:35:51 am
After a night of restless sleep, the elves gathered in the dining room for breakfast, giving each other wary looks. Whispers started when they all noticed that METALLIC DRAGON wasn't among them. Some of the elves went to knock on his door. When he didn't answer the opened it and found his battered body which lay in the middle of the bedroom floor. It seemed that METALLIC DRAGON had been ambushed in the middle of the night and beaten to a pulp with his own gift wrap tubes. His clothes had been torn off and horrible black and blue patches covered the body. Clearly a murder and clearly a reason for the citizens of North Pole to be on edge.
Further investigation of his belongings showed that he was also a BADWRAPPER for the NAUGHTY. The elves cheered with the luck of finding a naughty and feeling confident, began the day of voting. On their way outside they also found YOSSITARU passed out on the ground, he had a huge bump on his head but still alive. He would need to rest in bed all day and would be unable to participate in today's vote.

DAY 2
A new hope

The Day phase has begun.
Start time: 10:30 am EST
Phase lasts: 24 hours or if everyone votes

List of Elves in Alphabetical order

Alwayswatching - Brandonazz
Brandonazz - Patman33
Celdur - Brandonazz
Cobra - Patman
Danzik - Brandonazz
Doctor Z
Froman - Brandonazz
HelloWorld
Inkling - Patman
Killerboy85 - Plank of Wood
King-dumb
Kishmond - Brandonazz
Krakow Sam
Lualmoba - Patman
Met - Yokto (by pm)
Mr Consideration - Total Sandwich Patman33
neoadept - Kishmond Patman33
Neoteric - Patman33
Oviraptor - Brandonazz
Patman33 - Neoadept
Person21 - Alwayswatching
Plank of Wood - Brandanazz
Rhodix - Brandonazz
SBD
sgore - Krakow Sam
Slartibartfast - Doctor Z
Space Oddity - Doctor Z
Total Sandwich - SBD Patman33
unlamp - Patman33
Yokto - Kishmond Brandonazz
Yossitaru - Beaten up/no vote

Vote Tally
Patman33 - 9
Brandonazz - 9
DoctorZ - 2
Yokto - 1
SBD - 1
Total Sandwich - 1
Neoadept - 1
Plank of Wood - 1
Krakow Sam - 1
Alwayswatching - 1

Vote ended in a tie

Did not Vote
DoctorZ - 2nd time
Helloworld - 2nd time
Krakow Sam
SBD
King-Dumb

Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Yokto on December 15, 2007, 07:43:05 am
Yay we are winning! :D

Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Neoadept on December 15, 2007, 08:19:04 am
A Naughty died in the first night phase?  Amazing luck for us, but it's a bit...  Disconcerting.

Everyone should keep their theories to themselves until people start voting, if I'm right certain patterns will become clear at that time.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Brandonazz on December 15, 2007, 08:36:54 am
Patman33.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Plank of Wood on December 15, 2007, 08:37:39 am
Brandonazz
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Brandonazz on December 15, 2007, 08:46:53 am
You, my elven friend, are a fool, and I can't say why.

My vote does not change.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Plank of Wood on December 15, 2007, 08:50:59 am
Just vote for the person above you people, the first few rounds are just guesswork.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Brandonazz on December 15, 2007, 08:53:38 am
Wrong. Only the first round is complete guesswork, with the exception of the Mafia.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Plank of Wood on December 15, 2007, 08:55:08 am
Oh dear, I better eat my bacon now.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: unlamp on December 15, 2007, 08:55:24 am
I vote patman33.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Mr. Consideration on December 15, 2007, 09:22:39 am
So, Chucky dealt with Mettalic Dragon and someone protected Yossitaru, as far as I can see. One down for both teams, but luckily Naughty is hurt more.

I vote for Totalsandwich again. Same reasons as before; eager to have Clockwerk deep-fried.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Neoadept on December 15, 2007, 09:29:03 am
That was one of my theories as well, but I would ask you to refrain from extending that logic until we have more voters.  It may be possible to determine many of them in one fell swoop if my full theory holds true.

I would also suggest that no one change their vote until after I reveal my findings, so as to ensure that we can change them to more suspicious people if my theory pans out.

That said, everyone should vote once on their own suspicions to force the Naughties into voting as well.

Because he is on my list of possible Naughties, Kishmond.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: emmet on December 15, 2007, 09:31:34 am
Brandonazz seems determined to make us think he's valuable. I vote Brandonazz.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Lualmoba on December 15, 2007, 09:37:15 am
So, Chucky dealt with Mettalic Dragon and someone protected Yossitaru, as far as I can see. One down for both teams, but luckily Naughty is hurt more.

I vote for Totalsandwich again. Same reasons as before; eager to have Clockwerk deep-fried.

I don't think Yossitaru was protected. It seems like he was chosen by the Yeti so that he would be unable to vote.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: LadyM on December 15, 2007, 09:41:32 am
I received two votes by pm due to problems getting a computer this weekend. This is allowed in special circumstances if you contact me otherwise it gets posted here.

Met votes for Yokto
Total Sandwich votes for SBD
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Mr. Consideration on December 15, 2007, 09:45:35 am
So, Chucky dealt with Mettalic Dragon and someone protected Yossitaru, as far as I can see. One down for both teams, but luckily Naughty is hurt more.

I vote for Totalsandwich again. Same reasons as before; eager to have Clockwerk deep-fried.

I don't think Yossitaru was protected. It seems like he was chosen by the Yeti so that he would be unable to vote.

If that is the case, it throws suspicion on Neoadept, as the person he voted for.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Person21 on December 15, 2007, 09:50:19 am
Maybe we should trust Brandon, he seems to have a reason to believe that Pat is Mafia.

Though I'm not voting yet.


Brandonazz seems determined to make us think he's valuable. I vote Brandonazz.

And you seem determined to get rid of someone who may be of value.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Mr. Consideration on December 15, 2007, 09:56:58 am
Maybe we should trust Brandon, he seems to have a reason to believe that Pat is Mafia.

Though I'm not voting yet.

If Lual's Yeti theory is true, and Neoadept should be suspected, then Pat was one of the few people who voted for Neoadept.

Which makes Brandon seem very suspect.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: sgore on December 15, 2007, 11:13:56 am
This being my first time playing, I'm not sure I know what cues to look for...
Quickly, someone do something that'll give yourself away!
No?
Okay then. I'll hold off on voting for now. Only for now...
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: PatMan33 on December 15, 2007, 11:47:04 am
Neoadept.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Brandonazz on December 15, 2007, 11:56:24 am
Vote Patman and you will see that I am correct.

Brandonazz seems determined to make us think he's valuable. I vote Brandonazz.

What a flimsy pretext.

Maybe we should trust Brandon, he seems to have a reason to believe that Pat is Mafia.

Though I'm not voting yet.

If Lual's Yeti theory is true, and Neoadept should be suspected, then Pat was one of the few people who voted for Neoadept.

Which makes Brandon seem very suspect.

Neoadept is not to be suspected.

Which puts Lual into suspicion.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Lualmoba on December 15, 2007, 12:05:32 pm
If anything, it would put Mr. Consideration into suspicion. He's the one saying that Neoadept should be suspected.

I only suggested that a Yeti must have used his power on Yossitaru because, as far as I know, only a Yeti has the power to prevent someone from being able to vote. I never accused anyone directly.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Brandonazz on December 15, 2007, 12:08:41 pm
Bumbles can also do that, there is one on each team with that power.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Yokto on December 15, 2007, 12:11:22 pm
Hmm.... This is hard. Who should i vote for? Maybe Met because he voted for me >:(

But we know how that ended last time :(
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Brandonazz on December 15, 2007, 12:11:59 pm
If you aren't sure, vote Patman, trust me.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Lualmoba on December 15, 2007, 12:18:13 pm
Bumbles can also do that, there is one on each team with that power.

I know that, I just thought most people would be more familiar with "Yeti", so I simply called it that.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Neoadept on December 15, 2007, 12:26:57 pm
Interesting, the only person who's voted and is also on my Naughty list is Mr. Consideration, who voted for Total Sandwich, formerly on my list.  It would appear that either they are waiting for everyone else to vote, so that as soon as they cast we move into the night phase.

So now I've found another way to identify Naughties for this phase, they will vote last to avoid any pattern being discovered early enough in the round to shift suspicion onto them.  Of course, now that I've spotted this pattern, they will find a way to change it.  They will either vote soon and demonstrate a pattern, or vote randomly.  Since I assume they would not vote randomly, I believe that, lacking a pattern, our perpetrators will be found voting last anyway.

Patman continues to be suspicious, but the only pattern he's shown is voting for me, making me think he's not Naughty.

Once again I ask that no one changes their vote until I disclose my full theory, so as to prevent being locked into a vote which turns out wrong.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Brandonazz on December 15, 2007, 12:28:48 pm
Your theories thus far seem to coincide with mine, with the exception of your unsureness about Patman.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Yokto on December 15, 2007, 12:41:30 pm
Neoadept seems to have put the most though behind this and is arguments sounds logical. I will wait to vote on Patman. Met is still on the top of my list of choices. (The unofficial vote. Note i have not voted yet. I am not going to make the same mistake twice. I will make it in bold text when i have voted.)
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Neoadept on December 15, 2007, 12:44:20 pm
There is evidence against Pat, but his voting pattern doesn't fit and him being Naughty relies upon evidence that another is Naughty.  Your insistence itself is somewhat suspicious, but you may have reasons unavailable to the rest of us.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Brandonazz on December 15, 2007, 12:48:19 pm
I may.

If you vote Patman you will have something concrete.

If he is Mafia, you will know I am trustworthy, and if he isn't, hang me next time.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Neoadept on December 15, 2007, 12:57:16 pm
I would, but I am beginning to suspect that a candymaker or a toymaker was active last night.  It would explain certain trends and mean that any information you may have could be skewed.  I will wait for more people from my list to vote, then I'll see who is most suspicious.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Lualmoba on December 15, 2007, 01:02:26 pm
I was thinking about it and I do agree that it would be worth it to wait and see what happens with this vote. I was going to do this earlier, but I wanted to see some more evidence/discussion before I decided.

Therefore, I will give my vote to Patman at this time.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Yokto on December 15, 2007, 01:06:44 pm
How can you prove that your trustworthy? You could have luck. Or even more likely, you could be a with the naughty trying to win our loyalty by hanging out one of your own. the naughty after all knows who is on there side. If your unlucky then we will hang two of our own and that bad to.

So lets see. You could know something, you could be lucky, you could be unlucky or you could be naughty.

you could know something = Very happy ending
you could be lucky = happy ending
you could be unlucky = Very Bad ending
you could be naughty = Bad ending (Could be very very bad if we start trusting you and making you our leader.)

If every option was equally likely then i would go for the option of not voting for Pat but every option is not equally likely. The question is if the pros are more likely then the cons.

I may be missing something but if i have missed anything then please help me fill in the blanks.

Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Brandonazz on December 15, 2007, 01:08:30 pm
I would, but I am beginning to suspect that a candymaker or a toymaker was active last night.  It would explain certain trends and mean that any information you may have could be skewed.  I will wait for more people from my list to vote, then I'll see who is most suspicious.

You do have a point, but the odds are against Patman being protected, correct?


Some Logical Reasoning:

Neoadept.

Pat votes Neoadept. The Mafia knows that he is a good reasoner and could be a threat.

I change my vote to Patman33.

Clockwerk votes Patman.

I still voting Patman he says only who he votes for and gives no reason for it, highy out of place.
Patman33 I want an explainion for your actions.

Clockwerk starts to prod.

Three people then switch their vote to Clockwerk, the third being MetallicDragon, who we know was naughty.

Following that a large number of people voted Clockwerk in a short period, followed later by Mr. Consideration who seems quite convinced, despite his skeptical nature.

A number of people attack his, albeit flimsy, logic and by the time the vote is over even the nice are convinced he's a naughty, including PoW who I trust.

Note: I am aware that I could be seeing patterns where there are none and be misinformed.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Inkling on December 15, 2007, 01:16:25 pm
Neoadept, there's a slight flaw with your theory about voting habits, since we have people from different time zones, and some people may have things going on that keep them busy.  I'm just now getting to my computer.

Anyways, I vote Patman
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Neoadept on December 15, 2007, 01:20:37 pm
You raise a point, Brandon, but Pat never switched his vote, which a Naughty would have.  If a candymaker or toymaker were indeed active last night, Pat would be almost guaranteed to be Naughty.  If not, there is too little evidence.  And I'm proud to say that no one has put forward my full theory.  I'm proud because the moment it was revealed the Naughties would know exactly how to counter it, and it can only work in our favor if it pays off this round.

Inkling, mabey you're right, mabey you're not.  Mostly that entire bit was a ploy to get more people to vote now so that I could find a pattern.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Hammerman58 on December 15, 2007, 01:23:43 pm
Im going with brandonazz
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Brandonazz on December 15, 2007, 01:26:49 pm
I'm just worried because I'm leaving in about an hour for several more that the Mafia will suddenly all vote for me and try to coerce others to do the same.

Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Yokto on December 15, 2007, 01:27:20 pm
I am going to vote for what ever neoadept vote for. (Did you vote yet?)
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Brandonazz on December 15, 2007, 01:29:30 pm
He's waiting to reveal his theory methinks.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Neoadept on December 15, 2007, 01:32:21 pm
I Voted for Kishmond, but I suggest you don't do the same.  I did it because I had advocated voting as soon as possible and didn't want to be called a hypocrite.  My vote will be changed at the appropriate time.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Yokto on December 15, 2007, 01:40:30 pm
Ehh... OK... But what stops the Naughty form doing the same thing your doing now? Changing there vote in the last min.

The reason i have not voted yet is because the last time i voted early (I was even the first voter) i got burned. I was a part of the mob that killed Tiny Tim because i could not change my vote. :(

(On the other hand i guess it would not have made much of a diffrence. We where most likely to get one of our own anyway. I just feel a bit sorry for him)
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Brandonazz on December 15, 2007, 01:46:12 pm
Don't feel bad, the Mafia were the only ones who knew what was going on. It was inevitable.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Yokto on December 15, 2007, 01:47:34 pm
Well i will wait and see what Neoadept does in the end.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: sgore on December 15, 2007, 01:53:14 pm
Looking over the posts, I'm getting somewhat of a shifty vibe from that Krakow Sam guy...
And besides, If you took the initials of his names, they'd be the abbreviation for Kansas. Kansas! Something just strikes me as off about that... ;)
So, yes, I suppose my vote in this round will be for Krakow Sam. Sorry Krakow. (This may not be final of course. I may end up changing my vote.)
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Mr. Consideration on December 15, 2007, 02:09:30 pm
You raise a point, Brandon, but Pat never switched his vote, which a Naughty would have.  If a candymaker or toymaker were indeed active last night, Pat would be almost guaranteed to be Naughty.  If not, there is too little evidence.  And I'm proud to say that no one has put forward my full theory.  I'm proud because the moment it was revealed the Naughties would know exactly how to counter it, and it can only work in our favor if it pays off this round.

Inkling, mabye you're right, mabye you're not.  Mostly that entire bit was a ploy to get more people to vote now so that I could find a pattern.

Of course, there is the' Decoy Patman Theory'. Let us say Brandon, or Neoadept, are naughty. They could agree together to hang a fellow naughty, thus gaining people's trust. They could then take down a few 'Nice' people, claiming they suspected them, but weren't sure. This way, they could obliterate other major players (I count myself among these) and leave the people who are generally lead alive with them. We'd get a brutal witchhunt on our hands where anyone who stood up against theses people would soon by lynched. Perhaps if they also killed thier Nice supporters in the Night Phase, they could quickly rally more Nice to thier cause. I mean, what would prove their theories better than the Naughties attacking them? They could always not attack one night, and make it appear that Neoadept and Brandon were simply being protected.

Admittedly, the theory is sketchy (one good investigation could smash the 'plan'), and not one I believe; I'm just trying to advocate caution here.

Title: Re: LadyM\\\\\\\\\\\\
Post by: Mr. Consideration on December 15, 2007, 02:10:58 pm
I'm curious as to what happened last night...

Well, looks like I'm out of the game in any case.

Chucky saw to you.

Or perhaps, for some insane reason, the Naughties killled one of thier own.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Brandonazz on December 15, 2007, 02:15:35 pm
One investigation timed nicely with an investigation-skewing power would more likely reinforce your theory than a proper investigation.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Mr. Consideration on December 15, 2007, 02:20:05 pm
I was saying that I think one investigation would smash the Plan I talked about in my theory. I don't think my theory is true at all, I just think it's seldom good for any body to follow a form of Leader in this game. Best to look for the plot in everything.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: LadyM on December 15, 2007, 02:24:06 pm
Good idea to put your vote in bold, that way I can easily find it.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Brandonazz on December 15, 2007, 02:24:40 pm
I was saying that I think one investigation would smash the Plan I talked about in my theory. I don't think my theory is true at all, I just think it's seldom good for any body to follow a form of Leader in this game. Best to look for the plot in everything.

Oh, my mistake.

Well, yeah, I agree.

Everyone should look back at the last round to make their own decisions, but if you're too lazy just pay attention to what Neoadapt says. He does a lot of thinking about this. I'm not necessarily saying to vote like him, but to hear him out.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Mr. Consideration on December 15, 2007, 02:27:09 pm
I was saying that I think one investigation would smash the Plan I talked about in my theory. I don't think my theory is true at all, I just think it's seldom good for any body to follow a form of Leader in this game. Best to look for the plot in everything.

Oh, my mistake.

Well, yeah, I agree.

Everyone should look back at the last round to make their own decisions, but if you're too lazy just pay attention to what Neoadapt says. He does a lot of thinking about this. I'm not necessarily saying to vote like him, but to hear him out.

...And hear me out, telling you not to hear anyone out.

We always get hopelessly tangled in these events.

Well, I believe me voting for TotalSandwhich is now useless, as my vote will simply be wasted. I'll take a gamble and vote for Patman33.

Even if my bizarre theory is correct, we kill a naughty. Hopefully.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Brandonazz on December 15, 2007, 02:30:47 pm
Convince me that you aren't a Mafia voting for Patman because you know he's going to die.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Mr. Consideration on December 15, 2007, 02:36:47 pm
Convince me that you aren't a Mafia voting for Patman because you know he's going to die.

I can't. But considering I just put forward a Sacrificial-Lamb-Patman theory, my plans wouldn't be very subtle.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Yokto on December 15, 2007, 02:46:01 pm
I did put forward the Sacrificial-Lamb theory before. I think it seems a bit of a stretch my self but one can ask one self when a good time to sacrifice someone would be. At the start of the game when you have the greatest chance of effecting the long term outcome of the game and can afforded losing one man or in the late game were every turn have greater and greater impact. I think is clear that if they do it then they do it at the start. But is very unlikely ether way in my book.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Person21 on December 15, 2007, 03:08:29 pm
I'm thinking of voting Pat.

Though I am suspicions of AW, because of his fairly crappy reason for voting Brandon.


I'll go...Alwayswatching
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: TotalSandwich on December 15, 2007, 03:43:00 pm
Hey all.

I've been having a busy weekend and didn't expect to get onto the computer at all. Because of this, I voted early in the first phase (real early) for the person I saw as the most suspicious. I took another shot in the dark and cast another vote early for SBD, as LadyM stated.

I've decided to change my vote to Patman.

His identity is the focal point of more than a couple theories here. If it is revealed, it will (because of the vast amount of speculation) provide us with more information than the death of any other player.

Pray to god he is naughty rather than nice. Otherwise, I am not coming across too good.


Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Celdur on December 15, 2007, 04:41:56 pm
reading all the posts it looks like it was brandons idea to vote for patman...

so it could be patman...if he guesed right ...but...isnt manipulating the naughty`s thing?

i really dont know who to vote for now  :-\
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Neoteric on December 15, 2007, 05:05:03 pm
I tried to delay this post for as long as possible so I could see as much evidence as possible, but alas, I must get some sleep tonight. Whichever way it goes, the outcome of today's actions is going to be very interesting. My paranoid side says that both Neoadept and Brandonazz are mafia, and this is a complicated plot to get us to lynch a townie, or possibly that all three are mafia and are sacrificing one of their own to gain our trust. I find it unlikely, but I might as well get my all of my thoughts out there.

I'm voting for Patman33. One of three things will happen. If Pat is mafia, then Brandon probably isn't, and we've succeeded in taking out a naughty. If Pat is not mafia, then it is likely Brandon is and we can take one out that way. I'm just hoping that the risk pays off and it's not the third possibility, because if a Scrooge messed with Pat on the first night, it pretty much screws the whole thing up.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Celdur on December 15, 2007, 05:24:55 pm
i think im going for brandon ...clockwerk was an idiot...he made up conspirasys in the 1st freaking round...and i dont think the mafia saw him as a treat because nobody believed him...(at least i didnt)

i also thought about voting for neo because he...well hes to good to ''know'' so much as a nice guy...but maybe he IS just that smart...so i wont vote him yet because that could be killing the best nice guy...

in other news: http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=233 >_>
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Yokto on December 15, 2007, 05:58:52 pm
OK it is getting late. I need to vote even if i have not made up my mind. I will go with Kishmond because neoadept have not changed his vote and i think he might be right.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Kishmond on December 15, 2007, 06:01:28 pm
I would like to agree with neoadapt, but I'm not naughty, so I dunno...

I think I'll vote for Brandonazz
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Person21 on December 15, 2007, 06:02:42 pm
but I'm not naughty

Thanks for pointing that out....
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Neoadept on December 15, 2007, 06:10:53 pm
Like I said, Kishmond was a place holder because he was on the list.  Since my vote others have become more suspicious, but I'm not changing it until I have everything I need.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: LadyM on December 15, 2007, 06:23:58 pm
Just a reminder that we are almost at the half way point for the day vote. There is still alot of people who haven't voted. Remember, you have to vote, no abstaining or it counts against you. You may change your vote one time. The day will end tomorrow morning at 10:30 am EST.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Oviraptor on December 15, 2007, 06:25:38 pm
After reading and rereading this thread, it appears to me that Brandonazz's accusations seem weak at best. I know we can't be 100% certain of anything at this point (it's only the second day), though he does seem to be putting up a facade of "knowing" Pat's guilt. It's only the second day, I don't think I can really trust anyone who seems to have a little too much knowledge.

Maybe it's just cause I'm new to the game, but I'm having a hard time believing anyone. I wish I were a Santa helper, then I could at least see what other people are.

Brandonazz
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Brandonazz on December 15, 2007, 07:30:55 pm
I'm just hoping that the risk pays off and it's not the third possibility, because if a Scrooge messed with Pat on the first night, it pretty much screws the whole thing up.

That would be most unfortunate for both Pat and me if true.

And I don't understand why people are voting me, because I have a conviction that Pat is Mafia it makes it likely that I am Mafia? Think about it people.

Also, any people that suddenly swoop in after now and vote for me are likely Mafia trying to topple the vote, try to see through the pretexts they provide.

Also, Ovi, my accusations look weak because you don't know what I know. I can't elaborate.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Danzik on December 15, 2007, 07:35:21 pm
This whole post just reads odd.  Especially this part...
Also, any people that suddenly swoop in after now and vote for me are likely Mafia trying to topple the vote, try to see through the pretexts they provide.
I was pretty sure Pat was Naughty but, you're trying really, really hard to allay other's suspicions and also see that Pat is killed.

Brandonazz is my vote.


Edit:
Also, Ovi, my accusations look weak because you don't know what I know. I can't elaborate.
Why would you say this?  What would you have to hide?
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Brandonazz on December 15, 2007, 07:38:30 pm
It would be illogical for me to endeavor to kill a Nice if I was naughty.

Then I would be trading one naughty for one nice, which is worse for the naughty.

Thus, you must know that he is naughty and I am wagering my life upon it.

If Patman dies and is revealed to be nice, you know that I will die, but if I die and am discovered to be nice, the naughty will persuade people that I was "misguided" and Patman will survive. Either that or he will be used as a scapegoat to clear those under suspicion.

That clause was placed in my post because it is exactly the thing the Mafia would do; they would swoop in and act like the arguments earlier "persuaded" them towards whoever would be best for them to kill.

Or, like yourself, they might pull out the old "you're trying to hard so you must be Mafia" excuse.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Danzik on December 15, 2007, 07:41:31 pm
It's always been my observation that those who analyze the game so much are usually the ones at the disadvantage, ie. Mafia due to numbers.

I can't elaborate.
And for what reason?
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Brandonazz on December 15, 2007, 07:42:19 pm
Edit:
Also, Ovi, my accusations look weak because you don't know what I know. I can't elaborate.
Why would you say this?  What would you have to hide?

The rules say I can't tell you. That doesn't mean I have anything to hide.

Try as you might, I wont eliminate myself and make the game easier for you.

It's always been my observation that those who analyze the game so much are usually the ones at the disadvantage, ie. Mafia due to numbers.

That, or I'm enjoying the game.  ;)
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Neoadept on December 15, 2007, 08:13:09 pm
The rules, hm?  Interesting, very interesting.  Either you're lying stupidly or telling us what you are brilliantly.

For now, I say we trust him on not being Naughty, but I still don't quite approve of taking out Patman.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Inkling on December 15, 2007, 08:16:43 pm
Hmm... I'm starting to second guess myself, but either way, it seems likely that both Patman and Brandon will be dead soon.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: sgore on December 15, 2007, 08:29:37 pm
So, I take it nobody else here is buying into my Krakow Sam theory? Ah well. It's not much of a theory anyway. Perhaps my notions are off. Still, I can't shake the suspicion he's pulling some strings somewhere...
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Neoadept on December 15, 2007, 08:33:07 pm
Sam is on the list, but until he votes I don't have enough to feel confident in accusing him.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: FROMAN on December 15, 2007, 10:27:42 pm
i guess ill vote for brandonazz
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Cobra on December 15, 2007, 11:48:39 pm

Also, any people that suddenly swoop in after now and vote for me are likely Mafia trying to topple the vote, try to see through the pretexts they provide.

You forget some of us run on time differences it's 6:40pm here and I spent the day at an office Xmas lunch as such only now got to the thread. My point is though that not all of us are lurking for tactical reasons some of us just can't watch the thread all day. We have real lives. After reading this there does seem to be a case of either pat or bran being Naughty. The thing is we can be almost sure that if we hang the naughty then the nice will be targeted during the night.

In the end we have seem to have a 50/50 chance of shooting our selves in the foot. Well maybe not 50/50 maybe they are both nice in which case boy are we screwed. It's a hard decision as voting for the wrong person not only gets a nice hung it risks putting your own head on the chopping block..

In the end I pick Patman33 sorry man I barely trust Bran but this is the closest thing we have to a lead unless someone can give me serious compelling reasons to reconsider.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Slartibartfast on December 16, 2007, 01:16:04 am
I vote for DoctorZ. 

I don't know if he's naughty or nice, but considering LadyM is going to vaporize him anyway for not voting, it seems like a better idea than falling into one side or the other of what smells like a Mafia trick.

It will also give investigators a chance to actually investigate Patman and Brandon.


Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: SpaceOddity on December 16, 2007, 01:49:37 am
That is some sound reasoning Slarti, I vote for DoctorZ as well, if only to see the entertaining investigations continue.  ;D
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Danzik on December 16, 2007, 01:51:03 am
I'm fairly certain of what Brandon is.
I'll leave you to draw your own conclusion but..
-Why draw attention to your own role?
  -To be investigated.
    -Why would someone want to be investigated?
      -Because they have nothing to fear and therefore can continue influencing votes without                   
        suspicion.
        -What role wouldn't mind being investigated?

Hint:
NICE TRAITOR
AFF: SPECIAL
Power Type: N/A
Found as Nice, but works for the Naughty.
Has another fully-functional Nice role alongside their traitor status.
Knows who the Naughty members are, but they don't know who the traitor is.
Must protect the Naughty by influencing burning votes the wrong way intentionally or using his power to disrupt the Nice, without being burned himself.
If Naughty wins, the traitor wins too.
If Nice wins, the traitor loses.

Edit: I realize that some of you have probably figured this out already but, give me a break; this is my first game since college.  So excited about it I can't even sleep. :D
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Cobra on December 16, 2007, 02:45:13 am
Dan you made the compelling argument I have been waiting for but still this does lead to one problem as the town traitor Bran would be putting his head on the chopping block which means he wont win anyway. I'll not switch just yet but you have given me something to think about Dan.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Person21 on December 16, 2007, 04:30:37 am
DoctorZ Is innocent, that I assure you.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Yokto on December 16, 2007, 05:13:23 am
Well Neo see my Kishmond vote as a placeholder too (Hmm.... Maybe i should have gone and voted for somewhat random that did not have a vote so i would have less influence? :-\ )

But i needed to vote on someone before i when to bed.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: LadyM on December 16, 2007, 05:19:08 am
Two and a half hours left in this phase!!

We still need votes from Doctor Z, Helloworld, King-dumb, Krakow Sam, Rhodix and SBD.

You also can change your vote once.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Rhodix on December 16, 2007, 05:44:21 am
I vote for Brandonazz.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Brandonazz on December 16, 2007, 06:58:39 am
I want you all to promise me that if I hang and you find out I'm nice, to hang Patman next.

Too many of the nice are unsure, and that gives the naughty the true deciding vote.


EDIT:

The rules, hm?  Interesting, very interesting.  Either you're lying stupidly or telling us what you are brilliantly.

For now, I say we trust him on not being Naughty, but I still don't quite approve of taking out Patman.

It's Patman or me I'm afraid.

I'm fairly certain of what Brandon is.
I'll leave you to draw your own conclusion but..
-Why draw attention to your own role?
  -To be investigated.
    -Why would someone want to be investigated?
      -Because they have nothing to fear and therefore can continue influencing votes without                   
        suspicion.
        -What role wouldn't mind being investigated?

Hint:
NICE TRAITOR
AFF: SPECIAL
Power Type: N/A
Found as Nice, but works for the Naughty.
Has another fully-functional Nice role alongside their traitor status.
Knows who the Naughty members are, but they don't know who the traitor is.
Must protect the Naughty by influencing burning votes the wrong way intentionally or using his power to disrupt the Nice, without being burned himself.
If Naughty wins, the traitor wins too.
If Nice wins, the traitor loses.

Edit: I realize that some of you have probably figured this out already but, give me a break; this is my first game since college.  So excited about it I can't even sleep. :D

How about you hang Patman. If he's nice, then maybe your theory is correct. Since I know he isn't, I know that it's wrong and needs to hang anyway.


And if I may add, the same way I know Patman must die, I know that Plank and Neoadept are trustworthy.
Title: Re: LadyM\\\\\\\\\\\\
Post by: Brandonazz on December 16, 2007, 07:07:13 am
It's too difficult to find the Chucky first. He needs to be arbitrarily investigated or killed by the Mafia.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Neoadept on December 16, 2007, 07:27:14 am
There are five minutes left and my results are inconclusive, I'm forced to make a decision between the Brandon and Patman...

I change my vote to Patman33, because he hasn't defended himself, which means he either doesn't care or is counting on Naughty buddies to swoop in at the last minute to tip the scales.  It would seem that my plan to uncover a portion of the Naughties and Chucky in one fell swoop has been foiled.  Well played, Naughty.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Yokto on December 16, 2007, 07:31:23 am
This is to Sneeky. I vote Brandonazz
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: LadyM on December 16, 2007, 07:33:57 am
updating... vote has ended
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: LadyM on December 16, 2007, 07:42:35 am
It was a long day as the Elves split into two distinct sides. Those who thought Brandonazz was naughty and those who thought Patman was naughty. The theories and accusations flew faster than Santa's sleigh. After the day was over and the powder sugar settled, a decision couldn't be made for sure so the vote ended in a tie. Both elf lives were spared for another day but night was now upon us and the Naughty is gathering in secret to plot their next move.... who will live through the night?

Night 2 has begun. Naughty begin your planning. If anyone wants to use their powers, pm/email your orders to me.

Phase begins: 10:45 am EST
Phase time: 12 hours (I'll end it before I go to bed tonight, approx 11:00 EST)
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Brandonazz on December 16, 2007, 07:43:49 am
Alright, so that pretty much confirms that Yokto is mafia as well.

Who but a mafia would want to hide identities?


I'm going to need some protection tonight fellas.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Neoadept on December 16, 2007, 07:48:01 am
I doubt you'll need protection.  Your death would only confirm your suspicions for the rest of us.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Brandonazz on December 16, 2007, 07:49:25 am
Good point.

Is there a way to make someone seem naughty when killed at night, or does that only work when investigated?

EDIT: Because the scrooge yet lives.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Yokto on December 16, 2007, 07:50:17 am
No i just do not buy it. Neoadept is using the same dirty tactics as he said the Mafia would use. Also you and Neoadept pretty much have taken the leader roles. Roles that Neoadept said him self that only someone who knew that he would be safe from the mafia would take. Though this could just be a crafty way for him to get the upper hand i am not sure. I was part of a lyching gone bad before and i do not wish to be a part of one again.

I voted as i did because i knew that i tie would spare the life of both suspects. I simply have not made up my mind about it yet Brandonazz.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Brandonazz on December 16, 2007, 07:52:00 am
Not very logical. If one of us would have died it would have provided heaps of information.

But a mafia wouldn't want that.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Yokto on December 16, 2007, 07:55:20 am
Eh.... Maybe your right! Damn i may have done things worse :(

Sorry. I just do not like killing of people without evidence. I guess i have to learn how to be more brutal.

Well we can just hope that this coming night will shed some light in the situation.
Title: Re: LadyM\\\\\\\\\\\\
Post by: FROMAN on December 16, 2007, 08:10:41 am
you think that the first blood should get to be some sort of ghost and get a power
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: sgore on December 16, 2007, 08:30:11 am
I may as well ask, am I on anyones list of possible naughties? I doubt it. I'm usually not very noticeable when it comes to games like this...

Also, any speculations on the outcome of this phase?
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Yokto on December 16, 2007, 08:32:27 am
Your on mine >_>
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: sgore on December 16, 2007, 08:33:55 am
Well, as long as someone notices me.  ;)

And again, anyone have any thoughts on what'll happen during this "night" phase?
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: emmet on December 16, 2007, 09:12:22 am
We're all gonna die!
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Danzik on December 16, 2007, 09:15:12 am
I want you all to promise me that if I hang and you find out I'm nice, to hang Patman next.
What do you mean "if you hang" and we find out that you're nice?  Why not "when we find out you're nice"?  This stinks of deception.  Poorly concealed deception.

I'm fairly certain of what Brandon is.
I'll leave you to draw your own conclusion but..
-Why draw attention to your own role?
  -To be investigated.
    -Why would someone want to be investigated?
      -Because they have nothing to fear and therefore can continue influencing votes without                   
        suspicion.
        -What role wouldn't mind being investigated?

Hint:
NICE TRAITOR
AFF: SPECIAL
Power Type: N/A
Found as Nice, but works for the Naughty.
Has another fully-functional Nice role alongside their traitor status.
Knows who the Naughty members are, but they don't know who the traitor is.
Must protect the Naughty by influencing burning votes the wrong way intentionally or using his power to disrupt the Nice, without being burned himself.
If Naughty wins, the traitor wins too.
If Nice wins, the traitor loses.

How about you hang Patman. If he's nice, then maybe your theory is correct. Since I know he isn't, I know that it's wrong and needs to hang anyway.
And if I may add, the same way I know Patman must die, I know that Plank and Neoadept are trustworthy.
Why are you trying so hard to tell people that you're an investigator?  You know that would make you a high profile target for the Naughty.  Once again, this makes no sense unless you know that the Naughty will not kill you because you are one of them...

Therefore I can say with 100% certainty that Brandonazz is the Nice Traitor and his secondary role is either Santa's Helper or Bad Santa (I can't seem to tell if the rules work this way).

There's also this:
And if I may add, the same way I know Patman must die, I know that Plank and Neoadept are trustworthy.
There hasn't been enough time for Brandon to investigate both alone therefore he'd have had to have help from another member.  The first night, I didn't talk to anyone from fear that they might be Naughty and I'm guessing the rest of us Nice didn't either.  Conclusively, Brandon and another Naughty member investigated these two and he's telling us this to get Plank and Neo to his side.



Edit:  If I'm dead at the end of the night, then everyone will know what to do.  I doubt they'd try it but, considering how weak Brandon's arguments have been, I don't believe the Mafia is that well organized.  Maybe I should pray for a little reindeer invervention...
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Brandonazz on December 16, 2007, 09:22:41 am
Where to begin with that insane ramble...

I want you all to promise me that if I hang and you find out I'm nice, to hang Patman next.
What do you mean "if you hang" and we find out that you're nice?  Why not "when we find out you're nice"?  This stinks of deception.  Poorly concealed deception.

That was my original message, then I realized that in the English language, we use "if" when it isn't a sure thing.
My hanging wasn't a sure thing because, well, if it didn't happen it mustn't have been.


I'm fairly certain of what Brandon is.
I'll leave you to draw your own conclusion but..
-Why draw attention to your own role?
  -To be investigated.
    -Why would someone want to be investigated?
      -Because they have nothing to fear and therefore can continue influencing votes without                   
        suspicion.
        -What role wouldn't mind being investigated?

Hint:
NICE TRAITOR
AFF: SPECIAL
Power Type: N/A
Found as Nice, but works for the Naughty.
Has another fully-functional Nice role alongside their traitor status.
Knows who the Naughty members are, but they don't know who the traitor is.
Must protect the Naughty by influencing burning votes the wrong way intentionally or using his power to disrupt the Nice, without being burned himself.
If Naughty wins, the traitor wins too.
If Nice wins, the traitor loses.

How about you hang Patman. If he's nice, then maybe your theory is correct. Since I know he isn't, I know that it's wrong and needs to hang anyway.
And if I may add, the same way I know Patman must die, I know that Plank and Neoadept are trustworthy.
Why are you trying so hard to tell people that you're an investigator?  You know that would make you a high profile target for the Naughty.  Once again, this makes no sense unless you know that the Naughty will not kill you because you are one of them...

Therefore I can say with 100% certainty that Brandonazz is the Nice Traitor and his secondary role is either Santa's Helper or Bad Santa (I can't seem to tell if the rules work this way).

There's also this:
And if I may add, the same way I know Patman must die, I know that Plank and Neoadept are trustworthy.
There hasn't been enough time for Brandon to investigate both alone therefore he'd have had to have help from another member.  The first night, I didn't talk to anyone from fear that they might be Naughty and I'm guessing the rest of us Nice didn't either.  Conclusively, Brandon and another Naughty member investigated these two and he's telling us this to get Plank and Neo to his side.



Edit:  If I'm dead at the end of the night, then everyone will know what to do.  I doubt they'd try it but, considering how weak Brandon's arguments have been, I don't believe the Mafia is that well organized.  Maybe I should pray for a little reindeer invervention...

Recheck the roles genius. There is one role that learns three things.

Oh, and nice way of setting up the Mafia to use you as a scapegoat.

No, wait, way too obvious.

And if I die tonight I needn't even show how wrong your rambling is, the truth will out.

EDIT: Also, now you moved up on my Mafia list. You're now below Patman and above Alwayswatching.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Mr. Consideration on December 16, 2007, 09:27:07 am
A tie only ever plays into the Naughty's hands.

Well done, people, now we have equalised when they kill one of us tonight. We also still know nothing.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Danzik on December 16, 2007, 09:30:10 am
So quick to defend.  So you're contending that you are the Head Elf?  Possible but, again, if you were, why would you tell everyone?
Where to begin with that insane ramble...
The word you're looking for there is logic.  Nothing I've said above is without supporting facts.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Yokto on December 16, 2007, 09:36:44 am
Ooo.... a Naughty list! May i see it? (That way i know where to send my carbon)
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Neoadept on December 16, 2007, 10:04:40 am
I've mentioned my Naughty list pretty often and no one wanted to see mine...  And no Yokto, you may not see it, because, after that little tie you set up, you are on it.

And Danzik, you overlook one crucial possibility:  Brandonazz may be the Naughty traitor.  Perhaps he's fingered Pat as the biggest threat and is directing our attention to him first.  He would know that Plank and I are safe because we're not fellow Naughties.  I doubt that's it, but it's important to track all possible solutions at this point.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Krakow Sam on December 16, 2007, 10:07:24 am
Anyone care to fill me in on what's happened so far? I haven't been able to follow the thread so far due to patchy internet, which is now sorted. (Which is why I missed today's vote).

I am saddened to see that sgore voted for me. All I can do is give my word that not only am I innocent, I'm not guilty of *not* being innocent. Thank you.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Yokto on December 16, 2007, 10:13:25 am
Well sorry Neo. Is not like i can take back my vote. You just acted so fishy. I should never have changed my vote :(
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: sgore on December 16, 2007, 10:15:07 am
I'm very Sorry, Krakow. I had to vote for someone. But your word has a conciderable value to me and so I shall remove my suspicions of you...for now... ;)
No hard feelings I hope. I'll PM you a funny webcomic to make up for it.
Like I said. I'm still fairly new at games like this.
Any tips would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: PatMan33 on December 16, 2007, 11:33:33 am
Don't talk... none of us are smart enough or cunning enough not to make ourselves look stupid.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Yokto on December 16, 2007, 11:40:11 am
But if we already stupid would we look smart?  :P

(I hope i am not considered to be stupid <_< )
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: LadyM on December 16, 2007, 12:51:12 pm
REMINDER

Please do not communicate with other players via PM if you are a townsfolk member! It's against the rules and undermines the game in general - only mafia get to talk with each other, townsfolk do not have the ability to communicate amongst themselves.

If anyone has been doing this, then please stop!
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: sgore on December 16, 2007, 01:11:36 pm
All I did was send a webcomic link.
http://picturesforsadchildren.com/index.php?comicID=1
Nothing actually related to the game.
Or are you refering to someone else?
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Yokto on December 16, 2007, 01:37:32 pm
REMINDER

Please do not communicate with other players via PM if you are a townsfolk member! It's against the rules and undermines the game in general - only mafia get to talk with each other, townsfolk do not have the ability to communicate amongst themselves.

If anyone has been doing this, then please stop!

This means all other forms of communications to right? If so i am sorry for any rules i may have broken and i will try not to brake any rules in the future :(
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: LadyM on December 16, 2007, 02:11:59 pm
It's for anyone who may be pm'ing other players about the game. It's a no-no.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Yokto on December 16, 2007, 02:29:52 pm
Well i have not used PMs but i have talked with some about the game though other communication tools.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: LadyM on December 16, 2007, 04:52:12 pm
Three more hours to get your orders in to me before night phase ends.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Cobra on December 16, 2007, 06:54:00 pm
Well that is a kick in the pant's getting a tie and no hanging now the Mafia/Naughty have a free hit. Worse yet Chucky can just be even more of a mess. Personally if i was chucky I'd kill bran tonight just to make sure he is dead to throw heavy suspecions on Pat. Naturally there would likely to be 2 murders so you won't be sure which is chucky and which is naughty. In the end it's more trouble.

Still I doubt bran is the Naughty traitor as that means he has shown his hand to the naughty and he wont be long of this world. Either way bran shot him self in the foot by trying show us how important he is the target is right on him. If he proves to be telling the truth then all efforts must be put into protecting him. Assuming of course he lives through the night.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Brandonazz on December 16, 2007, 07:15:19 pm
So, yeah. Some protection would be nice.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: LadyM on December 16, 2007, 08:12:03 pm
Morning broke and the elves again gathered for breakfast. A head count was taken and they found three elves were missing, Oviraptor, Patman and Krakow Sam. A search party was sent out to find the missing ones.

First they searched Oviraptor's room and what they found was a mess. Poor Oviraptor, there were pieces of him strung up with ribbon all over the Christmas tree. His head was propped on top of the tree like an angel. Further investigation found that Oviraptor was a YETI for the NAUGHTY.

They search party continued to Patman's room. In it they found Patman slumped in his chair with a mug of Eggnog in his hand. He had no pulse and he was dead. A sniff of the Eggnog and they agreed it was poison. Upon further search they found that Patman was a SCROOGE for the NAUGHTY.

They searched the last room and fearing the worst, slowly opened the door. There lay Krakow Sam, with a lump on his head and knocked out cold. They put him to bed for the day and he would not be able to vote. At least he was still alive.

The Elves reported to Santa the good news that two more Naughty elves were caught and they danced and sang and felt confident that they would win. The Naughty however had other plans.

It is now Day Phase again and time to vote.
Start time: 11:15 pm EST
Phase will last 20 hours

Voting List
Alwayswatching - Krakow Sam
Brandonazz
Celdur - Krakow Sam
Cobra - Yokto
Danzik - Krakow Sam
Doctor Z
Froman - Brandonazz
HelloWorld
Inkling - Yokto
Killerboy85 - Yokto
King-dumb
Kishmond - Krakow Sam
Krakow Sam - can't vote
Lualmoba
Met - Rhodix
Mr Consideration - Yokto Krakow Sam
neoadept - Yokto
Neoteric
Person21 - Froman
Plank of Wood
Rhodix - Krakow Sam
SBD
sgore - Yokto
Slartibartfast -DoctorZ
Space Oddity - DoctorZ
Total Sandwich - Yokto
unlamp - Yokto
Yokto - Krakow Sam
Yossitaru - Slartibartfast

Vote Tally
Krakow Sam - 7
Yokto - 7
DoctorZ - 2
Brandonazz - 1
Rhodix - 1
Slartibartfast - 1

No Vote
Helloworld - 3rd time
DoctorZ - 3rd time
King-dumb - 2nd time
SBD - 2nd time
Brandonazz
Lualmoba
Neoteric
Plank of Wood


Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: TotalSandwich on December 16, 2007, 09:15:03 pm
...this is excellent.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Inkling on December 16, 2007, 09:29:20 pm
Strange... I figure one of the kills was Chucky, but I'm not sure how the other naughty died, unless one of the nice protectors can do that.  I'll have to look over the character descriptions again.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Hammerman58 on December 16, 2007, 09:35:21 pm
Brandon was right i see why we should have trusted him. The thing is though is he trying to lure us in a false sense of security.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Cobra on December 16, 2007, 10:56:12 pm
Gee i was planning on voting Patman straight away as i didn't know if i would be on again in time to vote after some theroies have been flung. I guess I'll have to make a theroy of my own. Currently my highest priorty is danzik but i wont put a vote for him as he seemed to be doing some heavy chapioning to get brand hung. I wont cast as my vote but I will leave that for open discussion. I'll do my best to get on later to night after some more time has passed.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Danzik on December 16, 2007, 11:31:09 pm
Strange... I figure one of the kills was Chucky, but I'm not sure how the other naughty died, unless one of the nice protectors can do that.
This one is obvious.  A toymaker protected Brandon.  It backfired an got Pat.

The killing of Ovi reads more like Chucky's doing. 
Do we really need to vote?  They're doing a pretty good job of getting themselves killed :D
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Hammerman58 on December 17, 2007, 01:47:07 am
Whose role would have done something to cause two naughties to be killed.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Cobra on December 17, 2007, 02:59:12 am
I think Danzik explained it perfectly there might be a couple of possibilities to what the results were last night but I think in the end the most probable is the version given by Danzik. On my way home I have also been giving thoughts to who else is Naughty. I already have suspicions on Danzik but they are nothing solid. I am a bit more inclined to think Yokto after he conveniently voted last minute to save Patman from the hang man's noose. I'd like to know what others think as soon as possible as I am making Yokto my official vote. Basically you have like an hour to convince me other wise as I doubt I'll make it back to this topic in time for the hanging after I log off tonight. I'll try but I do have serious doubt unless tomorrow is an insanely slow day work tomorrow (unlikely but who knows).

To recap Yokto made a serious error and has made me suspicious and with out further evidence real soon my vote stays that way.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Yokto on December 17, 2007, 03:34:57 am
I would say that me making so it was a tie was almost a good thing. :D

We managed to get 2 naughtily for the price of one or something like that. I have not analyzed this much further however. I what to say that i am sorry to Neo and Brandon for now believing in you to.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Celdur on December 17, 2007, 05:20:06 am
i r confused ???
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: LadyM on December 17, 2007, 05:30:52 am
Don't forget voting will end at 7:15 pm EST.

Votes sent by pm:
Met - Rhodix
Froman - Brandonazz
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Celdur on December 17, 2007, 06:02:40 am
froman votes for brandon? trough a pm...hmm...suspicious...>_>

i wont vote yet though
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Krakow Sam on December 17, 2007, 06:32:36 am
Phew, just a bump on the noggin. I think I can forego voting this round anyway, I don't really know who to suspect.

But avenge my brutal clubbing good townsfolk, avenge it!
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Mr. Consideration on December 17, 2007, 08:21:40 am
Hurrah. This is going really well.

Now, we should suspect those who were eager to save Patman. Which sort of makes me Prime Candidate.

I'll vote for Yokto, for now.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: TotalSandwich on December 17, 2007, 08:31:24 am
Yokto
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Person21 on December 17, 2007, 08:35:06 am
Froman


This is much better than my original plan!
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Yokto on December 17, 2007, 08:46:14 am
Even if my voting did not really do any damage people still what to get rid of me :(
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Celdur on December 17, 2007, 09:15:09 am
well...its the thought that counts >_<

but im not sure if yokto is naughty or not...im sure a naughty would be more discreet
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Krakow Sam on December 17, 2007, 09:24:56 am
It could be an elaborate double-bluff.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: unlamp on December 17, 2007, 09:26:26 am
I vote for Yokto.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: emmet on December 17, 2007, 09:53:55 am
It could be an elaborate double-bluff.

Or... It could be a triple bluff...
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Yokto on December 17, 2007, 10:07:36 am
Well my though behind it was just to make us have a time out until we got all the facts on the table. Something that did not seem to hurt us considering the naughties  is killing of them self.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Slartibartfast on December 17, 2007, 10:42:48 am
The Mafia and Chucky are about to get 2 free kills from DoctorZ's and Helloworld's deaths.
I think one of them should be our regularly scheduled death as not to give them 2 BONUS deaths.
I vote for DoctorZ.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Yokto on December 17, 2007, 10:59:03 am
Ehh... what do you mean?
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Slartibartfast on December 17, 2007, 11:14:25 am
If you fail to vote 3 times LadyM kills you.  It's in the rules.
She's even mentioned it in the other thread yesterday. 
DoctorZ and Helloworld are the top two. They have one no vote left and they are gone.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Yokto on December 17, 2007, 11:23:14 am
Oh.. OK.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Mr. Consideration on December 17, 2007, 11:42:51 am
I personally believe Yokto is innocent, having thought about it. He just doesn't seem direct enough to be naughty.

Thus, I'll vote for Krakow Sam, as someone who actually spoke out against Yokto, albeit jokingly. Most people voted for him as part of the crowd, but Sam seemed to want him dead.

I don't know, it's just a hunch. It seems more Sam's style to jokingly accuse to drecit votes against Yokto. Or, I could be utterly wrong. We'll find out soon enough.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: emmet on December 17, 2007, 12:03:14 pm
The Mafia and Chucky are about to get 2 free kills from DoctorZ's and Helloworld's deaths.
I think one of them should be our regularly scheduled death as not to give them 2 BONUS deaths.
I vote for DoctorZ.

But what if they're mafia...
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Krakow Sam on December 17, 2007, 12:11:38 pm
I personally believe Yokto is innocent, having thought about it. He just doesn't seem direct enough to be naughty.

Thus, I'll vote for Krakow Sam, as someone who actually spoke out against Yokto, albeit jokingly. Most people voted for him as part of the crowd, but Sam seemed to want him dead.

I don't know, it's just a hunch. It seems more Sam's style to jokingly accuse to drecit votes against Yokto. Or, I could be utterly wrong. We'll find out soon enough.

Everyone dogpile on Mr C. He's no good I tells ya!
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Mr. Consideration on December 17, 2007, 12:13:19 pm
Surely voting for them if they are going to die anyway is a waste of time?

Slarti seems very eager to 'waste' a lynch...

Sam repeats his tactic! Lynch him twice!
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: LadyM on December 17, 2007, 12:25:06 pm
Vote reminder, day phase ends in about 4 hours. Get your votes in soon.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Yokto on December 17, 2007, 12:30:41 pm
OK i will vote Krakow Sam simply to save my own skin.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: sgore on December 17, 2007, 12:41:31 pm
Yeah, I'm going to have to vote Yokto on this one. Various reasons.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Yokto on December 17, 2007, 01:02:17 pm
Oh well. :(

But at least we have only lost one nice wile the naughty have lost 3. And i still stand by my destion to vote for a tie after seeing the result . I am sure that if we had killed of Patman then it would have ended with that. Now we in a strong lead with both Pat and Ovi dead. (plus they did not get to kill any of our people.)

Edit: I am starting to think that the reason people want to bump me off is because what i did heavily turned to the nice sides favor. Now there not just fearing Brandon and Neo i think. Now there starting to fear me to. And because i am a softer target then Brandon and Neo it easier for the naughties to rally support to vote against me.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Rhodix on December 17, 2007, 01:06:35 pm
I vote for Krakow Sam.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: emmet on December 17, 2007, 01:30:34 pm
KS is too smart for his own good. I vote for Krakow Sam.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Yossitaru on December 17, 2007, 01:32:22 pm
The information we have is still rather insubstantial. But as flimsy as the evidence is, I still need to make a choice... the most logical choice at this point is Slarti. Since he wants to waste our stakes and good fire wood on an already dead man, the signs point to that he might be Chucky, and a wasted vote would aid Chucky more than even the naughty, since he is alone.

As flimsy as the case may be, I believe it would be most beneficial to have Slartibartfast gone.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Hammerman58 on December 17, 2007, 01:47:53 pm
yokto
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Celdur on December 17, 2007, 01:57:44 pm
i have to vote...and i really dont believe that yokto is naughty...since sam is in second i will vote for him...to save yokto from deing (although if i am wrong and yokto IS a naughty then i think i am the next one who burns  :-\ )

i vote krakow sam
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Krakow Sam on December 17, 2007, 02:04:22 pm
Why is everyone voting for me now of all times?  :'(

Since I've been whacked over the head I can't actually affect the game for a phase. You'd be better off voting for someone that can actually vote and use powers.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Yokto on December 17, 2007, 02:08:07 pm
I vote on you because of self preservation mainly.

But you have tried to keep a low profile. Are you hiding something maybe? >_>

Were where you on Dec 16 between 10:00-12:00! How many times have you worked for the naughty! Are you one of them?!? Maybe your Chucky! Or the traitor! What ever you are hiding i will find out!   
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Kishmond on December 17, 2007, 02:10:58 pm
Ah, I think Krakow Sam is my vote this round. The Yeti is dead, leaving the first choice of someone who is able to prevent voting to be Bumbles, who is nice. There is the off chance Old Man Winter, or someone else with a special power hit KS, so I may be wrong.

However, if there is more than one Yeti, all this is worth nothing.  :( Oh well, we're winning.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: sgore on December 17, 2007, 02:13:56 pm
I vote on you because of self preservation mainly.

But you have tried to keep a low profile. Are you hiding something maybe? >_>

Were where you on Dec 16 between 10:00-12:00! How many times have you worked for the naughty! Are you one of them?!? Maybe your Chucky! Or the traitor! What ever you are hiding i will find out!   
I wouldn't act too innocent there Yokto. You've made a few glaring missteps...

I don't want to point them out specifically, but they are there for anyone who wants to look.
And I recommend that they do. I'm more than starting to think Krakow is in danger this round, and I'm not so sure he deserves it...
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Yokto on December 17, 2007, 02:20:51 pm
You say i have made mistake but do not want to point them out. Thats sounds convent. What about your own mistakes then?
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: SpaceOddity on December 17, 2007, 02:21:50 pm
I vote DoctorZ
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Neoadept on December 17, 2007, 02:37:48 pm
I vote Yokto.  I really don't see anything wrong with Krakow's reasoning, I was going advocate voting Yokto myself.  He is currently at the top of my Naughty list, while I've got nothing on Krakow.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Yokto on December 17, 2007, 02:41:59 pm
Aww.... :(

Bye cruel world! Now only divine intervention (Or common sense) can save me!

(nice present on my birthday by the way. Getting lynched my a naughty mob!)  :P
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Danzik on December 17, 2007, 02:46:41 pm
I'll go with Krakow Sam also.  He was hit for a reason.  Probably someone has more info about him than I do.
Yokto strikes me as suspect but, only because his translations read odd (well that and the aforementioned vote swap)
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Inkling on December 17, 2007, 02:55:08 pm
I am very unsure on this round... at this point, it seems to be down to Yokto and Krakow Sam.  I'm going to go with my gut on this one.  It just seems wrong to burn a man at the stake when he sustained a concussion the night before.  I can't back someone who intentionally tied the vote, because I want to keep this game moving.  Therefore, I vote for Yokto.

Also, where is Brandon?  I want to hear what he things about this.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Danzik on December 17, 2007, 02:56:38 pm
Also, where is Brandon?  I want to hear what he things about this.
He's obviously hiding...I told you guys we should have hung him when we had the chance  >:(
(I'll admit I was wrong about Pat though; he played his part well)
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Yokto on December 17, 2007, 02:58:24 pm
I am very unsure on this round... at this point, it seems to be down to Yokto and Krakow Sam.  I'm going to go with my gut on this one.  It just seems wrong to burn a man at the stake when he sustained a concussion the night before.  I can't back someone who intentionally tied the vote, because I want to keep this game moving.  Therefore, I vote for Yokto.

Also, where is Brandon?  I want to hear what he things about this.

But my tie actually worked in our favor. :(

I do not think i would do it again but in the future but looking back on it was the right choice. Seems like i am getting punished for doing a good deed  :'(

Edit: Where is Brandon btw? I have not seen him on Skype or anything.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Neoadept on December 17, 2007, 03:14:12 pm
But you couldn't have possibly known that it would turn out this way, your "good deed" was down to luck.  I don't vote on luck, I vote on facts.  Fact:  You voted against Clockwerk along with Metallic Dragon, known Naughty.  Fact:  You purposely tied the vote in which Patman33, a Naughty, would have died without your intervention.

As for Krakow, he voted against Clockwerk, but after that his only crime was getting conked in the head.  Care to clear up how this makes him more guilty than you?
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Yokto on December 17, 2007, 03:18:54 pm
Hay that is not fair!  >:(

I tried to change my Clockwerk vote! Remember that i voted on him because he voted on me!
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Neoadept on December 17, 2007, 03:27:14 pm
Or you realized that your vote could no longer be changed and "tried to change it" with the knowledge that all it would do is make you look better later.  Or your telling the truth.  Regardless, you've really got nothing on Sam unless you have a shocking last minute revelation.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Yokto on December 17, 2007, 03:38:21 pm
Yeah my plan was so cleavely crafted when i voted for Clockwerk. I mean i can foresee the future! No wait. That do not make any sense ether. :P

Like i said before. I vote on Sam in the hopes of saving my own skin. And dare i say it. I hope for a tie again. We are lacking leadership now Brandon is gone for some reason. Brandon come back! Maybe you can stop this madness!

I wish there was something i could do to prove i am nice.  :'(

Edit: Well at least i get to meet Clockwerk now i guess and say that i am sorry for have voted on him. :(
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Neoadept on December 17, 2007, 03:44:38 pm
You don't need to see the future to know that a failed attempt to change your vote would make you look good.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Yokto on December 17, 2007, 03:51:16 pm
Bah.. I voted on Clockwerk because he voted on me. My first vote was made just to get things going.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: LadyM on December 17, 2007, 04:32:23 pm
Once again the elves could not agree on who to kill. There were two distinct sides. Those that wanted to call Yokto Naughty and those that were convinced the naughty one was Krakow Sam. The vote once again ended in a tie and no one was killed this day.

That didn't mean there wasn't any death at all. Mysteriously, two elves had missed all three days of voting. They now had to face Santa's wrath. With the wave of his hand, they spontaneously combusted into a pile of powdered sugar. They would be DOCTORZ, a NICE REINDEER DANCER and HELLOWORD who was JACK FROST. The Naughty elves were squealing with the sudden luck in losing two Nice townies without much effort. Maybe they could regain some advantage.

It's now the night phase. The Naughty can plan who to kill and if you want to use your powers, pm me please.

Night phase starts: 7:30 pm
This phase will last 15 hours, end time 10:30 am EST tomorrow
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Danzik on December 17, 2007, 04:41:18 pm
Come on guys, It'd have taken only one more vote to blow this thing open.

Regardless of who dies tonight, Brandon has my vote. 
If you're still in unsure, consider my previous point:

I want you all to promise me that if I hang and you find out I'm nice, to hang Patman next.
What do you mean "if you hang" and we find out that you're nice?  Why not "when we find out you're nice"?  This stinks of deception.  Poorly concealed deception.

I'm fairly certain of what Brandon is.
I'll leave you to draw your own conclusion but..
-Why draw attention to your own role?
  -To be investigated.
    -Why would someone want to be investigated?
      -Because they have nothing to fear and therefore can continue influencing votes without                   
        suspicion.
        -What role wouldn't mind being investigated?

Hint:
NICE TRAITOR
AFF: SPECIAL
Power Type: N/A
Found as Nice, but works for the Naughty.
Has another fully-functional Nice role alongside their traitor status.
Knows who the Naughty members are, but they don't know who the traitor is.
Must protect the Naughty by influencing burning votes the wrong way intentionally or using his power to disrupt the Nice, without being burned himself.
If Naughty wins, the traitor wins too.
If Nice wins, the traitor loses.

How about you hang Patman. If he's nice, then maybe your theory is correct. Since I know he isn't, I know that it's wrong and needs to hang anyway.
And if I may add, the same way I know Patman must die, I know that Plank and Neoadept are trustworthy.
Why are you trying so hard to tell people that you're an investigator?  You know that would make you a high profile target for the Naughty.  Once again, this makes no sense unless you know that the Naughty will not kill you because you are one of them...

Therefore I can say with 100% certainty that Brandonazz is the Nice Traitor and his secondary role is either Santa's Helper or Bad Santa (I can't seem to tell if the rules work this way).

There's also this:
And if I may add, the same way I know Patman must die, I know that Plank and Neoadept are trustworthy.
There hasn't been enough time for Brandon to investigate both alone therefore he'd have had to have help from another member.  The first night, I didn't talk to anyone from fear that they might be Naughty and I'm guessing the rest of us Nice didn't either.  Conclusively, Brandon and another Naughty member investigated these two and he's telling us this to get Plank and Neo to his side.
Edit:  Patman was killed because of a clever toymaker.  We know this.

Clarification:  The reason I want Brandon out of the way is because he's smart enough to lead.  Ovi and Pat were leaders; without a leader logical enough to play the game, the mafia will fall.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Hammerman58 on December 17, 2007, 05:09:56 pm
OK my theory's that brandon is a traitor or the mafia leader.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Cobra on December 17, 2007, 05:11:23 pm
Well regardless of tonight short of him being already dead by morning I'm sticking with Yokto KS just doesn't have anywhere near enough of a case to be more of a risk than Yokto. Yokto made a stupid move if he is a townie sure it paid off but not by design and more a case of pure luck.

Come on people indecision is giving the Naughty an advantage they really should not have. With that we just lost 2 more nice because they were dissappeared we can't sit idly by. You can't seriously argue Yokto isn't the most likely suspect. I'm not saying it's a sure bet but it's far more likely.

Also don't think i still havent got my eye on you Danzik suspecting Brand who seems to be particularly trust worthy, if he is naughty then he is sacrificing 2 naughty (pat and himself) for possibly 1 nice (who ever he is targetting).
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Hammerman58 on December 17, 2007, 05:13:51 pm
I think brandon is too trustworthy and thats where we are going to get screwed over.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Danzik on December 17, 2007, 05:16:15 pm
Cobra, your grammar tells me you wanted that post to go up quickly.
Welcome to the list.
You'll go after Brandon.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Brandonazz on December 17, 2007, 05:20:36 pm
Damn I missed the vote.

Before I got home today the cable provider blew a fuse a street over, and it just came back on.

Last night was quite the bit of fortune. If someone could figure out exactly what roles must have done what and posted it, it would benefit everyone. And at this point, "everyone" is overwhelmingly nice.

And my source has provided me no new information, just reassertion of mine and neoadept's innocence.

My vote would have been for Yokto, not because I suspect him the most but because my vote would have produced a result no other way, and he is on my list.

So now do you unbelievers trust me because much of what I've said has come to pass?

EDIT: And some additional protection tonight would be nice.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Inkling on December 17, 2007, 05:25:23 pm
Despite his abscence, which seems to have been through no fault of his own, I support Brandon.  I suppose I'm partially responsible for the tie, which makes me a bit of a hypocrite... oh well.  We shall see what happens tomorrow.  And yes, some protection for Brandon might be a good idea.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Danzik on December 17, 2007, 05:26:16 pm
Despite his abscence, which seems to have been through no fault of his own, I support Brandon.
Interesting...
Your timing in impeccable; should have waited longer than 5 minutes.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Yokto on December 17, 2007, 05:31:01 pm
I think i will go and hide my self after what have happen. I hope someone would be nice to give me protection. I do not feel that safe any longer :(
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Inkling on December 17, 2007, 05:40:45 pm
Hey, I was going to post that anyways, wether he showed up today or not.  We just happened to be browsing the page at the same time.  Though now, it occurs to me that the night phase might not be the best time to be allying myself with anyone, thus drawing attention to myself.... oh well, too late.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Cobra on December 17, 2007, 07:42:29 pm
Cobra, your grammar tells me you wanted that post to go up quickly.
Welcome to the list.
You'll go after Brandon.

You say that like my Grammer is better at any other time.

Plus if anything a naughty response to me would be far more carefully thought out to better hide the mistrust and lies. Brandon really has done nothing to draw suspicion of naughty he has lead us to other naughties in fact (well 1 naughty) his voting patterns show almost no signs of ill doing. Accusing him (and those who support him) reeks of Naughtiness and poorly hidden naughtiness at that. If Brandon is leading us down a false path we will hang him quickly and he will have done more damage to the Naughty than to the nice. To suspect brandon at this point you might as well be putting a sign on your head saying "Hello I'm on the naughty team please hang me."

At this point the most obvious Naughties are Yokto followed by Danzik.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Danzik on December 17, 2007, 11:14:29 pm
I'll say it again since you can't seem to be bothered to read back just one page...
These are the reason's I suspect Brandon.
My logic is solid and no one has been able to refute it yet.
Also, you're either the clever Toymaker I mention below or a Reindeer.
(Not bad eh?) :)




I want you all to promise me that if I hang and you find out I'm nice, to hang Patman next.
What do you mean "if you hang" and we find out that you're nice?  Why not "when we find out you're nice"?  This stinks of deception.  Poorly concealed deception.

I'm fairly certain of what Brandon is.
I'll leave you to draw your own conclusion but..
-Why draw attention to your own role?
  -To be investigated.
    -Why would someone want to be investigated?
      -Because they have nothing to fear and therefore can continue influencing votes without                   
        suspicion.
        -What role wouldn't mind being investigated?

Hint:
NICE TRAITOR
AFF: SPECIAL
Power Type: N/A
Found as Nice, but works for the Naughty.
Has another fully-functional Nice role alongside their traitor status.
Knows who the Naughty members are, but they don't know who the traitor is.
Must protect the Naughty by influencing burning votes the wrong way intentionally or using his power to disrupt the Nice, without being burned himself.
If Naughty wins, the traitor wins too.
If Nice wins, the traitor loses.

How about you hang Patman. If he's nice, then maybe your theory is correct. Since I know he isn't, I know that it's wrong and needs to hang anyway.
And if I may add, the same way I know Patman must die, I know that Plank and Neoadept are trustworthy.
Why are you trying so hard to tell people that you're an investigator?  You know that would make you a high profile target for the Naughty.  Once again, this makes no sense unless you know that the Naughty will not kill you because you are one of them...

Therefore I can say with 100% certainty that Brandonazz is the Nice Traitor and his secondary role is either Santa's Helper or Bad Santa (I can't seem to tell if the rules work this way).

There's also this:
And if I may add, the same way I know Patman must die, I know that Plank and Neoadept are trustworthy.
There hasn't been enough time for Brandon to investigate both alone therefore he'd have had to have help from another member.  The first night, I didn't talk to anyone from fear that they might be Naughty and I'm guessing the rest of us Nice didn't either.  Conclusively, Brandon and another Naughty member investigated these two and he's telling us this to get Plank and Neo to his side.
Edit:  Patman was killed because of a clever toymaker.  We know this.

Clarification:  The reason I want Brandon out of the way is because he's smart enough to lead.  Ovi and Pat were leaders; without a leader logical enough to play the game, the mafia will fall.


Second edit:  Add also to the list of reasons of why I suspect Brandon the fact that, after being gone for nearly two days, Inkling chimes in, on cue, to say that he doesn't suspect Brandon just 5 minutes after Brandon posts.
It's at the top of this page; the writing is on the wall...


Accusing him (and those who support him) reeks of Naughtiness and poorly hidden naughtiness at that.
Also, if you're going to copy my wording from a previous post, I said "poorly concealed deception".  Get it right.

I want you all to promise me that if I hang and you find out I'm nice, to hang Patman next.
What do you mean "if you hang" and we find out that you're nice?  Why not "when we find out you're nice"?  This stinks of deception.  Poorly concealed deception.


Plus if anything a naughty response to me would be far more carefully thought out to better hide the mistrust and lies.
Now you're starting to embarrass yourself.
My logic is correct; everyone sees it. 
That's the reason the thread has gotten so quiet.
Brandon is going tomorrow, then you, the following day.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Cobra on December 18, 2007, 02:00:03 am
Well if you plan on hanging me trust me you are screwed. Everyone make a not of this now after you hang both Bran and me hang Danzik assuming we haven't some how lost be then.

Then again if everyone decides to go against brand this turn I hope this wises everyone up to Dan and we target him. Personally I think Brad is

HEAD ELF
Aff: NICE
Power Type: Active, Unlimited
This is Santa's right hand man, he knows the big guy and he is ready to clean up the town. He knows who all the other Santa Helpers are but he doesn't know who is Naughty or Nice. All Santas show up as Nice and they must be investigated to discover their true colors.

This would give him the ability to investigate for him self plus know who the other helpers are. Brand investigated Pat the 1st night and has concluded that Pat is naughty and by that left plank and neo as the good helpers. Now as for you argument about strong leaders have you noticed how good forum mods have strong leadership abilities. Abilities that would translate well to a high position in the naughty. Don't you agree Danzik. My point being Brand isn't the only one in this game with the brains to lead.

One final thing I am neither a Toymaker or a Reindeer that I guarantee and I am on the side of good and niceness not evil and rottenness. I'm going to take the same stance as Brand here if I'm wrong about you Dan go ahead and hang me keep in mind I don't have the proof Brandon did I just am that sure about it.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: LadyM on December 18, 2007, 07:31:35 am
After a long restless night, morning came again to Christmas Town. Santa called a meeting before breakfast and wanted everyone to attend. After they all arrived, it was found that three more Elves were missing. Person21, Plank of Wood and Yokto were suspiciously absent. Again, a search party went out to look for them.

On the way to the living quarters, the came across a freshly made Snowman. On closer look, the head of the Snowman was not made of snow, it was PLANK OF WOOD's severed head. The buttons were his toes and there were entrails as a scarf. There were pieces all over the place. They pick up his wallet and found documentation that PLANK OF WOOD was NICE GIFTWRAPPER.

They made their way to YOKTO's apartment and when they opened the door they found chestnuts strown all over the floor. Also on the floor was YOKTO and with a nutcracker laid upon his chest. Further inspection did confirm that YOKTO's nuts were indeed cracked. YOKTO was found to be a NAUGHTY CANDYMAKER.

Afraid of what they would find when looking for PERSON21, they slowly opened the door and the first thing they saw was a Jack in the Box. Then they found PERSON21 stabbed with a thick icicle. So it seems he opened a Jack the Ripper in the Box. After looking at his ID, PERSON21 was poor RUDOLPH, one of the Nicest of Santa's Reindeer.

The Nice had a major setback during the night but it's to vote again and try to weed out the Naughty.

Phase will a min. of 20 hours (depends on when I wake up tomorrow)
Phase starts 10:30 am EST

Vote List
Alwayswatching
Brandonazz - Danzik
Celdur - Mr. Consideration
Cobra - Danzik
Danzik - Brandonazz
Froman - Met
Inkling - Danzik
Killerboy85 - Danzik
King-dumb
Kishmond - Danzik
Krakow Sam - Brandonazz
Lualmoba - Danzik
Met - unlamp
Mr Consideration - Danzik
neoadept - Danzik
Neoteric - Danzik
Rhodix - Danzik
SBD - Slartibartfast
sgore - Brandonazz Danzik
Slartibartfast - Brandonazz
Space Oddity - Danzik
Total Sandwich -Brandonazz Danzik
unlamp -Met
Yossitaru - Danzik

Vote Tally
Danzik - 14
Brandonazz - 4
Met - 2
unlamp - 1
Mr Consideration -1
Slartibartfast - 1

No Vote
Alwayswatching
King-Dumb - 3rd time
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Celdur on December 18, 2007, 07:43:05 am
so chucky killed plank...a nutcracker killed yokto...and the mafia killed person21?

also: arnt candy makers nice?
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Krakow Sam on December 18, 2007, 07:44:44 am
The naughty ones aren't.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Danzik on December 18, 2007, 09:14:02 am
Quote
Further inspection did confirm that YOKTO's nuts were indeed cracked.
Poor Yok...
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Celdur on December 18, 2007, 10:00:29 am
Quote
Further inspection did confirm that YOKTO's nuts were indeed cracked.
Poor Yok...

well in the end he deserved it...

Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Mr. Consideration on December 18, 2007, 10:02:14 am
Well, I imagine I'm a suspect this phase. Before people make a case against me, I'll acknowledge thats how it looks.

I have no idea who to vote for. I'll wait for some more discsussion. Both Danzik and Brandon are highly suspect; one of them must be naughty.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Danzik on December 18, 2007, 10:10:12 am
Quote
Further inspection did confirm that YOKTO's nuts were indeed cracked.
Poor Yok...
well in the end he deserved it...
Noone deserves that on their birthday.

I've made a very solid case here (http://www.gamingsteve.com/blab/index.php?topic=10960.msg459792#msg459792).  So far, not a single post has directly refuted any of my points.
I can't around tonight or tomorrow morning so I'm going to cast my vote against Brandonazz right now.
Hang him so we can gain some headway.  If I'm wrong (which I know I'm not), then hang me.

If not, its going to end up being me and my reindeer, against a ton of Naughty...
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Inkling on December 18, 2007, 10:25:01 am
Dang, people I suspect of being naughty keep being killed before we can hang them.  Having the naughty killed helps us anyways, but now I'm not sure who to suspect.  I'm going to go ahead and say Danzik.  Brandonazz has my support, and Dan has been his strongest critic as of late.  I may change my vote if evidence is presented against someone else, but in real life I'm hosting a Christmas party tonight, so I'll be busy today.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Mr. Consideration on December 18, 2007, 10:35:55 am
I think everyone knows it's going to be Danzik or Brandon. Danzik presents a very strong case but Brandon has been 'with us from the start'. I think is appears to me that Danzik has swooped in to finish off a leading Nice; but any such act is also one of suicide, as he would definitley be hung the very next day: which makes no sense.

I personally think Danzik may have made a mistake somewhere in his logic, but I personally can't see it. I suppose I don't want to make a choice as both are able players with a thorough understanding and there is a high risk of losing a strong Nice player in this round. I'll wait upon more discussion before casting my vote.

EDIT: Spellingz
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: LadyM on December 18, 2007, 10:38:07 am
Met cast a vote by pm for unlamp
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Mr. Consideration on December 18, 2007, 10:42:47 am
A pretty random vote, and Met seems to always vote by PM. Does he have a reason to do this? Seems somewhat suspect.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Danzik on December 18, 2007, 10:53:33 am
I think everyone knows it's going to be Danzik or Brandon. Danzik presents a very strong case but Brandon has been 'with us from the start'.
I was in Vegas on buisness during the start of the game. (Vegas for buisness does seem suspect...)

I'm going to go ahead and say Danzik.
Of course you are.  It's pretty obvious you're in with Brandon.

Remember this:
Despite his abscence, which seems to have been through no fault of his own, I support Brandon.
Interesting...
Your timing in impeccable; should have waited longer than 5 minutes.
5 minutes after Brandon returns from being "gone" you post your support for him.  Kinda obvious, ya?
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Mr. Consideration on December 18, 2007, 10:57:42 am
That doesn't change the fact that Brandon has been exemplary thus far; despite my machinations. Even if that doesn't really persuade me (He seems to be playing a little too perfectly) it has a high chance of swinging the vote in his favour.


Perhaps we could try and hang an ardent supporter of one or the other? This could supply some evidence (however sketchy) and stops us killing a helpful player too early.

Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Celdur on December 18, 2007, 11:00:23 am
inkling seems to stick with brandon all the time...so he either investigated or there both naughty ...i dont know what to vote for yet
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Mr. Consideration on December 18, 2007, 11:04:04 am
A major flaw with my proposal is if we lynched Inkling (for example) and he turned out to be an invesitgator, and that was the reason he had put his trust in Brandon. Then we'd be down an investigator, which is seldom pretty.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: LadyM on December 18, 2007, 11:27:52 am
A pretty random vote, and Met seems to always vote by PM. Does he have a reason to do this? Seems somewhat suspect.
He has a good reason so I let him vote early and he put in a 3 day advance vote.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Brandonazz on December 18, 2007, 11:31:45 am
I vote Danzik.

You may all also want to note that I said I knew PoW was nice.

And Yokto voted me to tie the vote.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Danzik on December 18, 2007, 11:52:00 am
Of course you knew Plank was nice.  Like I said before:
And if I may add, the same way I know Patman must die, I know that Plank and Neoadept are trustworthy.
There hasn't been enough time for Brandon to investigate both alone therefore he'd have had to have help from another member.  The first night, I didn't talk to anyone from fear that they might be Naughty and I'm guessing the rest of us Nice didn't either.  Conclusively, Brandon and another Naughty member investigated these two and he's telling us this to get Plank and Neo to his side.
Edit:Maybe Ink's a Bad Santa?
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Krakow Sam on December 18, 2007, 11:59:06 am
While I don't really trust Danzik, I trust him more than Brandonazz at the moment.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Mr. Consideration on December 18, 2007, 12:00:22 pm
While I don't really trust Danzik, I trust him more than Brandonazz at the moment.

But, for me if not anyone else, you are a suspected Naughty.

This is somewhat confusing. I think I may have to just flip a coin.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Krakow Sam on December 18, 2007, 12:06:44 pm
If I was naughty then why would I have been tied for votes with Yokto?
Wouldn't it be more sensible for the naughties to implicate someone nice to try to save Yokto's hide rather than another naughty?
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Mr. Consideration on December 18, 2007, 12:17:03 pm
I was the person who implicated you rather than Yokto.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Krakow Sam on December 18, 2007, 12:21:57 pm
Assuming for a moment that your statement there is meant to imply that you aren't naughty, your implication of me could have been exactly the naughties needed to try to get Yokto off the hook.

Of course, your post there could easily be taken as an admission of naughtiness.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Celdur on December 18, 2007, 12:31:43 pm
mr consideration is now also on my naughty list...gah...who do i vote for
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Inkling on December 18, 2007, 12:34:01 pm
Remember this:
Despite his abscence, which seems to have been through no fault of his own, I support Brandon.
Interesting...
Your timing in impeccable; should have waited longer than 5 minutes.
5 minutes after Brandon returns from being "gone" you post your support for him.  Kinda obvious, ya?

I thought I addressed this already.  I was going to post that regardless of when Brandon showed up.  Our close postings were a coincidence, and brandon explained why he was away.  For that matter, I don't see why posting close to each other is an issue at all.  You seem to be lashing out at anyone who sides against you.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Mr. Consideration on December 18, 2007, 12:39:37 pm
To be perfectly honest, I deserve to be on the naughty list. I have, on several occasions, created the alternative target, and indirectly caused several ties. 

All I can do is promise that I am not naughty.

Time is definitley running out.  Just so that I have voted, my initial vote is for...Danzik.

Hopefully this will not effect your votes in any way.

Warning - while you were typing a new reply has been posted. You may wish to review your post.
Inkling, a naughty would say exactly the same thing, so no progress is really made.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Inkling on December 18, 2007, 12:51:33 pm
True, but I still don't see why posting close to each other is an issue.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: sgore on December 18, 2007, 12:54:06 pm
I'll hold off on voting for either Danzik or Brandon for now. Is there anyone who can argue for the defense of either?
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Celdur on December 18, 2007, 01:14:37 pm
my initial vote is for...Danzik.

ok brandon, inkling and mr consideration are all ganging up on danzik...and there all on my naughty list...

even though danzik is on my list to he seems to be on his own...making me think he is nice...

so i vote for one of those 3...and that would be YOU! mr.consideration
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Mr. Consideration on December 18, 2007, 01:22:08 pm
Well, I'm willing to bet I'll die in one of the upcoming phases. Either from Naughty Hits or The Lynch. Protection would be nice.

Either Inkling and Brandon are Naughty, or Danzil and Cobra. These round will prove which side, once and for all.

Although, in my defence, if Brandon and Inkling are naughty; I have voted for different person to them in pretty much every single vote thus far.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: unlamp on December 18, 2007, 01:29:13 pm
I vote Met.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Mr. Consideration on December 18, 2007, 01:30:22 pm
Neither Unlamp nor Met will be lynched this round. You two are wasting your votes.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Kishmond on December 18, 2007, 01:47:23 pm
Brandonazz said Patman was naughty, he was right. He said PoW was nice, he was right. He said neoadept is nice, we don't know yet, but I know that he is nice too.

I vote Danzik
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Slartibartfast on December 18, 2007, 01:50:15 pm
I vote Brandonazz.
 

Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Mr. Consideration on December 18, 2007, 01:52:19 pm
Slatri seem entirely suspect. I'm definitley keeping my vote on Danzik.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Brandonazz on December 18, 2007, 02:00:37 pm
my initial vote is for...Danzik.

ok brandon, inkling and mr consideration are all ganging up on danzik...and there all on my naughty list...

even though danzik is on my list to he seems to be on his own...making me think he is nice...

so i vote for one of those 3...and that would be YOU! mr.consideration

Funny how that works, considering Mr. Consideration was against me at the beginning and seems to be jumping alongside me as soon as I've been proved trustworthy. He's been on my list for a long time.

Let's just hope that enough nice have the sense to save me.

EDIT: And I'll post my obligatory clause here.

If I die and am proved to be nice, Neoadept is trustworthy.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Mr. Consideration on December 18, 2007, 02:05:35 pm
I don't understand what you're implying. That I'm naughty and trying to cover it by siding with you?

I've not been against you; I sincerely doubt you are naughty. I've just not had confidence with your accusations, much to my fault.

Personally, I believe Danzik and Slarti to be naughty.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Brandonazz on December 18, 2007, 02:06:46 pm
It's a possibility. With you in particular I'm not counting anything out.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Mr. Consideration on December 18, 2007, 02:09:02 pm
So you do consider me naughty? Or am I simply a wild card in your plan?

I'd like to be investigated prior to being roasted, thank you. If it is within your power and influence to do so.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: SpaceOddity on December 18, 2007, 02:11:50 pm
Is it day again already? :o Man, this moves quickly... am I even still alive? *checks* Phew, it seems so.
I'm going back to Danzik, who'd make an excellent Chucky the way he's going. :P
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Neoadept on December 18, 2007, 03:02:59 pm
I vote Danzik.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: sgore on December 18, 2007, 03:13:46 pm
Quite frankly I don't know who to vote for certainly, but for now I think I may point my vote at Brandonazz. If anyone would care to make a solid argument otherwise, I could certainly change my vote.
Edit: On second thought after some careful review, I officially change my vote to Danzik
Edit2: Hey, this whole indecisiveness thing isn't making anyone suspect me, is it?
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Brandonazz on December 18, 2007, 03:45:59 pm
No, but you should unbold my name to avoid confusing LadyM.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: TotalSandwich on December 18, 2007, 03:53:22 pm
B-b-b-brandonazz.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Brandonazz on December 18, 2007, 04:06:05 pm
A chart I prepared for your analytical pleasure. Make note: This contains zero speculation.

(http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/4459/chartat9.png)

I apologize for any incorrect entries. Please notify me of them for future versions.

EDIT:
-Danzik in 1st column should be black.
-Brandonazz in last column should be green.
-Lualmoba voted Rhodix the first day.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Danzik on December 18, 2007, 04:21:14 pm
This contains zero speculation.
Brandonazz in last column should be green.
That is speculation.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Kishmond on December 18, 2007, 04:22:29 pm
I'm tired of being indecisive. I'm going to just side for (flips a coin) Brandonazz and go for broke. If I'm wrong, ah whatever. Please don't hate me if I am though...
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Brandonazz on December 18, 2007, 04:23:44 pm
I'm almost thinking that it would be better if Krakow died.

That way I could color code his name.

Disclosure: Do not vote Krakow; vote Danzik. I was joking.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: LadyM on December 18, 2007, 04:26:55 pm
Lual's vote record is wrong, he voted Rhodix on the first day.

edit: and Celdur voted Inkling, Cobra voted Met

you better double check the whole thing if it doesn't have the correct information, it could be mis-leading
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Danzik on December 18, 2007, 04:43:46 pm
Incorrect
Celdur voted Inkling
Inkling voted for Doctor Z
Cobra voted for Met
Yossitaru voted for Clockwerk
Mr. Consideration voted for Total Sandwich
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Brandonazz on December 18, 2007, 04:51:02 pm
Honestly, do you think I would expect nobody to point out mistakes? Give it a rest Danzik.

EDIT: And three of the aforementioned mistakes aren't true. They changed their vote and I forgot to put it.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Cobra on December 18, 2007, 04:54:45 pm
I vote Danzik Come on people brandon has given us nothing but truthful information he has yet to be proven wrong. Danzik does nothing but say Brandonazz's helpfulness is suspiousus (What the hell is so sus about telling us the truth). This is how it is the more I look at it the more I see if Bran is tyring to gain our trust the price to the naughty is far too high for any potential gain at most he can hope to get us to kill one of our own before everyone turns on him he already given us 1 naughty so to only get 1 nice at a price of 2 naughty is not just bad stratergy for the mafia it's horridly terrible. Conclussion bran is either nice or the biggest idiot to play this game. Personally i dont think bran is that stupid Danzik is trying to take us for fool.

Edit: hit send to post this quickly before I had a meeting coming back to finish off my train of thought.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Lualmoba on December 18, 2007, 06:34:03 pm
I vote for Danzik.

I am completely sure he's a Naughty.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Neoteric on December 18, 2007, 06:52:12 pm
I'm going to vote for Danzik.

Also, I'd like to apologise for not voting yesterday. This (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7149931.stm) happened, and I was asleep before we were reconnected.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Krakow Sam on December 18, 2007, 06:54:30 pm
I'm going to vote for Danzik.

Also, I'd like to apologise for not voting yesterday. This (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7149931.stm) happened, and I was asleep before we were reconnected.

Hey! That happened to me too!
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: TotalSandwich on December 18, 2007, 06:55:54 pm
Well, I don't like being a flip-flopper. I don't always know exactly when I am going to be able to sign on again. Decisions are oft made in haste.

Seeing how helpful Brandon has been, however, I am going to go ahead and change to Danzik. So screw me if I'm wrong. I wouldn't want to bring down someone who went to all the trouble to make a special little graph.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Neoteric on December 18, 2007, 07:09:01 pm
I'm going to vote for Danzik.

Also, I'd like to apologise for not voting yesterday. This (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7149931.stm) happened, and I was asleep before we were reconnected.

Hey! That happened to me too!

Heh, it seems we're on the same ISP. Cool. ;) Explains the Round 3 gap in your voting, too.
How long did it take for them to reconnect you?
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Danzik on December 18, 2007, 07:21:47 pm
By the way, I wear a size 7 noose. :D
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Yossitaru on December 18, 2007, 07:27:19 pm
Well, it seems there's no salvation for Danzik. If he is indeed naughty, then the end is almost here. Voting against Brandon is essentially suicide, trying to convince for another person may seem like treason against the crowd favorite, and there's still not a lot of evidence to go on.

With the only logical choice I must go: Danzik.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: LadyM on December 18, 2007, 07:51:00 pm
Froman voted for Met, he sent it by pm.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Lualmoba on December 18, 2007, 08:10:09 pm
I might as well say this now, while I can.

I have been found out as Traitor for the Naughty. Iím not able to say who each person is directly, but I can probably give you some clues about them. Brandonazz, most of the people that you have said are on your list of Naughties are, in fact, Naughties. Also, Brandonazz, your powers have been robbed.

It is very unlikely that I would be protected, but in case someone would want to protect me, I would rather you donít, since my death would just make things worse for the Mafia, by proving that I'm telling the truth, so I really donít think that they would target me tonight.

I am also sure that Neoadept and Brandon are not Chucky, either, and pay close attention to the people that have voted for either of them. Also, try to find a trend on who helped make each tie happen. Also, Santa Helpers should be careful, one of the Naughties is able to see everything you do.

Since the Naughty already know this, I will say that I am a Toymaker, so you can probably figure out what happened the first 2 nights and can also try to make good use of my power.

Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Brandonazz on December 18, 2007, 08:48:26 pm
That explains why I didn't receive any reports today.


I think the Mafia have just about lost the game by this point.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Slartibartfast on December 18, 2007, 10:39:53 pm
LadyM, I need a rules clarification on the role of Head Elf.

HEAD ELF
Aff: NICE
Power Type: Active, Unlimited
This is Santa's right hand man, he knows the big guy and he is ready to clean up the town. He knows who all the other Santa Helpers are but he doesn't know who is Naughty or Nice. All Santas show up as Nice and they must be investigated to discover their true colors.
I know that he starts the game with a list of all the Santa's Helpers/Bad Santas (all showing as Santa's Helpers) and he can investigate players.
My question is, does he receive copies of the other Helper's and Bad Santa's reports?
The rules are silent on this matter.  I know it was an idea Luminar was kicking around in his planning thread, but is it actually being implemented in this game.

I cast my vote thinking the Head Elf did not get that information.  If that is not the case, I wish to know so I can change my vote accordingly.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Hammerman58 on December 19, 2007, 12:56:03 am
Im going to go with Danzik he just knows too much. He pushed his  He has all this information and i am questioning wheres hes getting it.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: SBD on December 19, 2007, 02:52:42 am
I vote for Slartibartfast.







 :P
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: LadyM on December 19, 2007, 05:53:36 am
Rodix voted Danzik by email. I'm updating now. *locked*
LadyM, I need a rules clarification on the role of Head Elf.

HEAD ELF
Aff: NICE
Power Type: Active, Unlimited
This is Santa's right hand man, he knows the big guy and he is ready to clean up the town. He knows who all the other Santa Helpers are but he doesn't know who is Naughty or Nice. All Santas show up as Nice and they must be investigated to discover their true colors.
I know that he starts the game with a list of all the Santa's Helpers/Bad Santas (all showing as Santa's Helpers) and he can investigate players.
My question is, does he receive copies of the other Helper's and Bad Santa's reports?
The rules are silent on this matter.  I know it was an idea Luminar was kicking around in his planning thread, but is it actually being implemented in this game.

I cast my vote thinking the Head Elf did not get that information.  If that is not the case, I wish to know so I can change my vote accordingly.

To answer this question, the Head Elf is the equivalent of the Police Chief. He cannot investigate himself but he receives reports about what was investigated.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: LadyM on December 19, 2007, 06:15:54 am
At the start of the day, the Elves were quiet and wary as they went about their work but by the afternoon the lies and accusations and theories were abundant. At the end of the day the decision was overwhelming, the Elves grabbed Danzik and tied him to one of the many Christmas trees. They stuffed the tree up the chimney and lit the fireplace. As Danzik burned one of elves had been searching his room and found his papers. DANZIK was a BAD SANTA. The real Santa came in and laughed. "Well done my elves, we are getting things cleaned up now." Then his face turned serious and he said.. "However there is another slacker in our voting system and I wont' have it. " He waved his hand again and KING-DUMB was turned to powdered sugar. This was a shame because he was the NICE GHOST OF CHRISTMAS FUTURE.

The Naughty elves cursed their luck but were not ready to be beaten. They continued their secret planning as did others... what will be find in the morning?

Night Phase has begun. Naughty, please plan your kill and if anyone wants to use their powers tonight, please pm me with your target.

Night Phase begins: 9:15 am EST
Night Phase ends: 11:15 pm EST
13 HOURS
*Note, the time of the phase will now begin to be smaller.

Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Krakow Sam on December 19, 2007, 06:18:53 am
Bah! Why is it that only nice people forget about this game and stop voting?
Also, looks like Danzik played me for a chump and I've probably doomed myself by voting for him.

I guess all I can do now is throw myself on the mercy of both townsfolk and mafia by revealing that It was I who cracked Yokto's nuts!
Yes, I am the humble nutcracker and my power has been used up. If the mafia wants to kill me then they'll be killing a townie with no special powers.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Mr. Consideration on December 19, 2007, 07:45:55 am
Can we cast votes now or do we have to wait for someone to be murdered?
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Slartibartfast on December 19, 2007, 09:01:21 am
Can we cast votes now or do we have to wait for someone to be murdered?
You should definitely wait.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Neoadept on December 19, 2007, 01:56:35 pm
LadyM, quick question on the rules.  Could an investigator directly reveal the results of an investigation so long as they don't quote you in any way shape or form?  Something along the lines of "I investigated so and so, and he's a such and such"?
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Celdur on December 19, 2007, 02:10:36 pm
LadyM, quick question on the rules.  Could an investigator directly reveal the results of an investigation so long as they don't quote you in any way shape or form?  Something along the lines of "I investigated so and so, and he's a such and such"?

if the awnser is yes then we won...
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Brandonazz on December 19, 2007, 02:18:03 pm
Well yes you can, because someone could lie.

Or so I assume.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: LadyM on December 19, 2007, 03:01:54 pm
LadyM, quick question on the rules.  Could an investigator directly reveal the results of an investigation so long as they don't quote you in any way shape or form?  Something along the lines of "I investigated so and so, and he's a such and such"?

Yes, I think we touched on that in the pre-game thread where there was a question. If you do this, you could be truthful or could be lying. You also are identifying yourself as an investigator.

Well I meant to continue to use Luminar's rules regarding Cops/Santa's Helpers so maybe I didn't do a good job stating that. The only part I wanted changed was the traitor issue. I'll re-word my answer and look over the rules. He did say cops could do that. Sorry for the misunderstanding. But you can't pm anyone information. If you are a Santa helper, you can tell your investigation according to the rule of the role but you can't post it as a screen shot.

Quote
1 - Do not directly reveal another player's role or affiliation.
You are allowed to reveal or lie about your own role as you please, but revealing another player's role by quoting pm's, screenshots or using any outside sources will result in being expelled from the game.  This includes traitors; they may not post the list of Naughty/Nice people. They must be secret. (If you tell, you die.)

Ex: You can say "Bob is mafia, I vote for him" or "I am a cop so you have to trust me" (you could be lying about any of this too)
      You cannot say "LadyM told me in a pm that Bob is a crooked cop" or "Bob told me in chat last night that he is the Superhero"

Accusations or lists of your own suspicions are fine too - to be on the safe side, please state that you are accusing.

Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Cobra on December 19, 2007, 06:47:06 pm
With these short phases i hope this doesn't mean I'll miss anything. Can you post exactly how long I have until a phase when you plan to end the next day phases so i know if i should PM my votes early just in case.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Neoadept on December 19, 2007, 06:54:13 pm
Excellent.  Brandon, did anyone investigate you the night before your power was stolen?  I imagine so, since you were so high profile that day.  One of them had to be a Bad Santa, and even though we caught Danzik there may be more than one on their side.  And since the Naughties now know all of our investigators anyway, would you be so kind as to list all of the investigators you knew of for us?
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Slartibartfast on December 19, 2007, 07:04:08 pm
Excellent.  Brandon, did anyone investigate you the night before your power was stolen?  I imagine so, since you were so high profile that day.  One of them had to be a Bad Santa, and even though we caught Danzik there may be more than one on their side.  And since the Naughties now know all of our investigators anyway, would you be so kind as to list all of the investigators you knew of for us?
I don't think the Naughties got the names when they stole his power.  I think they will just be getting his reports.
He should not reveal anyone's role as an investigator.  If people wanted to come forward as investigators, he could give the thumbs up or down to their claim though.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Lualmoba on December 19, 2007, 07:08:17 pm
It would probably be breaking the rules if he said who they were, too. Remember that we are not supposed to reveal other people's roles.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: LadyM on December 19, 2007, 07:32:15 pm
With these short phases i hope this doesn't mean I'll miss anything. Can you post exactly how long I have until a phase when you plan to end the next day phases so i know if i should PM my votes early just in case.

I've been posting how long the phase will  last when it starts. The night time is running approx. 15 hours and the day will be going down to  about 20-24. Part of it depends on when Im sleeping and can't update. You can pm your vote or your power early if you need to.

Btw.. 45 mins until night phase ends. If anyone has powers to use, send them now.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Lualmoba on December 19, 2007, 07:56:53 pm
Maybe Yokto won't be the only one dying on his birthday.  :D
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Brandonazz on December 19, 2007, 07:58:58 pm
Excellent.  Brandon, did anyone investigate you the night before your power was stolen?  I imagine so, since you were so high profile that day.  One of them had to be a Bad Santa, and even though we caught Danzik there may be more than one on their side.  And since the Naughties now know all of our investigators anyway, would you be so kind as to list all of the investigators you knew of for us?


And yes, both you and I were investigated the last day before my powers were stolen.


Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: LadyM on December 19, 2007, 08:21:42 pm
Morning came and the Elves were busy decorating the Hall. Christmas Day was coming soon. Santa came in and took a role call of his elves.

When he got to Slartibartfast, there was no answer. It seems he was missing. He sent some elves to go investigate. They ran to his apartment and opened the door. They found him dead with his head blown off, a blue box was laying beside him. They found his real identification and were shocked and overjoyed that this was CHUCKY. They ran back to tell Santa.

Santa was overjoyed with this news, the renegade toy was dead. But there was still one more elf missing. He sent a few more elves to check on Neoteric. They searched high and low in the living quarters and found nothing. They searched the other buildings and in the candy factory they found him. He was laying on a conveyor belt, his blood replaced by candy cane extract. His ID card said that he was DASHER the Nice Reindeer. He was also the town traitor and had been protecting the Naughty members at night.

The Day Phase now starts at 11:20 pm EST
Day Phase lasts for 20 hours.
Day Phase ends at 7:20 pm

Vote List
Alwayswatching - Kishmond
Brandonazz - Kishmond Celdur
Celdur
Cobra - Killerboy85
Froman - Kishmond
Inkling -Rhodix
Killerboy85 - Kishmond
Kishmond  - Killerboy85
Krakow Sam - Killerboy85
Lualmoba - Rhodix Yossitaru
Met
Mr Consideration - Kishmond
neoadept - Kishmond
Rhodix - Killerboy 85
SBD
sgore - Met
Space Oddity
Total Sandwich

unlamp -Kismond
Yossitaru - Kishmond

Vote Tally
Kishmond - 7
Killerboy85 - 4
Rhodix - 1
Met - 1

No Vote
Celdur
Met
SBD 3rd time
Space Oddity
Total Sandwich
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Lualmoba on December 19, 2007, 08:43:13 pm
Looking back at my first vote, maybe I should vote for that person again.

I vote for Rhodix
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Brandonazz on December 19, 2007, 08:58:45 pm
I'm not officially voting, but right now Oddity and Froman are under consideration based on their vote record.

Any suggestions Neoadept?
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Kishmond on December 19, 2007, 09:10:47 pm
We've got to kill the Grinch, whoever that is.
By now I'm convinced that Brandonazz is nice, though his avatar staring at me evilly isn't helping. I'm also sure neoadept is nice as well. (Not just because Bran says so)
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Hammerman58 on December 20, 2007, 12:16:26 am
At least chucky is gone. Thats a win for both nice and naughty.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Celdur on December 20, 2007, 12:35:37 am
does anyone know how many naughty are left? is there anyway to calculate this?
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Cobra on December 20, 2007, 02:03:13 am
I not sure who to target all my prime suspects are now dead the Grinch is a high priority of course now they can see who we investigate they can pick up the reindeer if we find them so use powers carefully. Chucky is dead so all is good on that front same with the town traitor.

Anyway I'm going to vote now in case I don't get time to vote again Still hopefully tomorrow will be a quiet day at work being so close to Xmas and I'll get 5 - 10 mins to jump on here and see f it is worth changing my vote. Right now Killerboy85 is a little bit high up for allying him self with Danzik when he was trying to get Brand hung. As such I have little else to go on and so I vote for Killerboy85
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Hammerman58 on December 20, 2007, 02:24:40 am
I didn't ally with him in the last vote i voted against him.  Im sorry if i didn't bold his name but he just knew too much so i voted for him.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Mr. Consideration on December 20, 2007, 05:40:18 am
Well, I'm glad someone saw to it that Chucky was dealt with.

I was going to bring the case against Slarti today, but it looks like somebody made that unnessecary.

In the meantime, I will have to comb the thread and find who has been suspicious.

My personal naughty list;

Killerboy85
Unlamp
Krakow Sam
Total Sandwhich
Neoteric
Met
Yossitaru
Alwasywatching
Celdur
Kishmond

Of these; Kishmond, Yossitaru, Neoteric and Alwayswatching have put the most effort into directing votes, with Killerboy becoming more active recently.

I vote Kishmond.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Yossitaru on December 20, 2007, 10:11:58 am
Why is Neoteric still on your list? He's got liquid candy cane for blood.

Anyway, I could potentially be gone for most of the day due to today being family day, so, at the moment, I feel that Consideration has the right idea on Kishmond.

This may change if I am back before time is up, however.

Edit: Family day has moved to tomorrow. Today I can watch how votes play out as usual.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Neoadept on December 20, 2007, 11:48:21 am
I was voting for Kishmond before it was cool.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Inkling on December 20, 2007, 11:51:13 am
I'm not so sure about it being Kishmond, but I don't know who else to vote for.  So for now, I'll go with Rhodix.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: FROMAN on December 20, 2007, 12:02:37 pm
i guess ill vote for kishmond he already has 3 votes against him.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: emmet on December 20, 2007, 12:21:11 pm
I'm basically gonna do what Froman did. Kishond is definetly gonna lose now so I may as well not waste my vote. I vote Kishmond.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Brandonazz on December 20, 2007, 12:33:20 pm
I vote Kishmond, because Neoadept said so.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Kishmond on December 20, 2007, 01:47:00 pm

Of these; Kishmond, Yossitaru, Neoteric and Alwayswatching have put the most effort into directing votes, with Killerboy becoming more active recently.


I've put effort into directing votes?

I was going to bring attention to Celdur this round but... I guess that's too suspicious? I do believe he is the naughty ghost. I'm sure the naughty already know this, they have the Grinch and his current powers.

Surely you, brandonazz, would know who I am?

Oh by the way my actual vote will be either for Celdur, totalsandwitch, or killerboy85... I'll decide soon.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Krakow Sam on December 20, 2007, 01:50:48 pm
Um... I don't personally see any reason to suspect Kishmond, so I'm going to vote Killerboy.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Brandonazz on December 20, 2007, 02:22:50 pm

Of these; Kishmond, Yossitaru, Neoteric and Alwayswatching have put the most effort into directing votes, with Killerboy becoming more active recently.


I've put effort into directing votes?

I was going to bring attention to Celdur this round but... I guess that's too suspicious? I do believe he is the naughty ghost. I'm sure the naughty already know this, they have the Grinch and his current powers.

Surely you, brandonazz, would know who I am?

Oh by the way my actual vote will be either for Celdur, totalsandwitch, or killerboy85... I'll decide soon.

I never received an official report on you. I just know your power, not if you're naughty or nice.

And since thus far Neoadept has been without error, I must rely upon his judgment.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: unlamp on December 20, 2007, 02:43:38 pm
I vote Kishmond.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Kishmond on December 20, 2007, 03:05:07 pm
In hopes of him catching up, my vote is for Killerboy85.

If he is who he says he is, lualmoba would know I'm nice. Let's see who he votes for.


30 minutes left, why does everyone wait to vote?
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Celdur on December 20, 2007, 03:52:03 pm
wait im on naughty lists? that scares me a bit...

do i look naughty?

anyway since anyone is voting for kishmond it doesnt really matter who to vote for now...

can you vote on yourself?  ;D

Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Kishmond on December 20, 2007, 04:18:25 pm
Sigh... well goodbye everyone. I don't know how you came to this conclusion as I am innocent so I might as well spill the beans. I am a nice santas helper, I recently investigated Celdur and he turned out to be the Ghost of Christmas Past (naughty). In the same way I know that neoadept is nice. Ironically it's also the same way brandonazz knows neoadept is nice, therefore trusting him when he voted against me.   :-\

Now, about brandonazz and neoadept, I trust them and I urge you to do the same, even though they will very soon be proved wrong about me. Everyone makes mistakes but they have been right so far. If there is another nice santas helper, use your investigations wisely, as the Grinch will know the role of anyone you target. If the Head Elf still had his powers I would reccommend investigating yourself to prove to him that you are nice. But we can't do that now, of course.

By the way, Celdur is naughty. Stop smiling, Celdur.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: sgore on December 20, 2007, 04:27:53 pm
Oh, just got on. Homework and school stuff. Sorry Quick vote just to be voting:

met

Not that I have any actual suspicions.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Rhodix on December 20, 2007, 04:32:38 pm
I vote for Killerboy85.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Krakow Sam on December 20, 2007, 04:48:13 pm
Sigh... well goodbye everyone. I don't know how you came to this conclusion as I am innocent so I might as well spill the beans. I am a nice santas helper, I recently investigated Celdur and he turned out to be the Ghost of Christmas Past (naughty). In the same way I know that neoadept is nice. Ironically it's also the same way brandonazz knows neoadept is nice, therefore trusting him when he voted against me.   :-\

Now, about brandonazz and neoadept, I trust them and I urge you to do the same, even though they will very soon be proved wrong about me. Everyone makes mistakes but they have been right so far. If there is another nice santas helper, use your investigations wisely, as the Grinch will know the role of anyone you target. If the Head Elf still had his powers I would reccommend investigating yourself to prove to him that you are nice. But we can't do that now, of course.

By the way, Celdur is naughty. Stop smiling, Celdur.

Well, we'll soon find out if you're telling the truth.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Lualmoba on December 20, 2007, 04:55:35 pm
If he is who he says he is, lualmoba would know I'm nice. Let's see who he votes for.

I was the first person to vote, but I guess that no one really payed attention to me... I voted first because I knew I wouldn't have time to come by earlier, and I just hoped that people would not mess up, but I guess they did...

I want to say that I believe Kishmond is Nice and I agree with all of this:

Sigh... well goodbye everyone. I don't know how you came to this conclusion as I am innocent so I might as well spill the beans. I am a nice santas helper, I recently investigated Celdur and he turned out to be the Ghost of Christmas Past (naughty). In the same way I know that neoadept is nice. Ironically it's also the same way brandonazz knows neoadept is nice, therefore trusting him when he voted against me.   :-\

Now, about brandonazz and neoadept, I trust them and I urge you to do the same, even though they will very soon be proved wrong about me. Everyone makes mistakes but they have been right so far. If there is another nice santas helper, use your investigations wisely, as the Grinch will know the role of anyone you target. If the Head Elf still had his powers I would reccommend investigating yourself to prove to him that you are nice. But we can't do that now, of course.

By the way, Celdur is naughty. Stop smiling, Celdur.

Furthermore, Mr. Consideration, I believe you are on to something there, with your list of people who have been directing votes. (Though I do not agree with Kishmond being in there.)

Also, I would like to change my vote to Yossitaru.

If I die later on, please look back on this post.

Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Brandonazz on December 20, 2007, 05:09:23 pm
Well I change my vote to Celdur, not that it makes any difference.

I knew he as an investigator but that doesn't tell me alignment.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Hammerman58 on December 20, 2007, 05:20:51 pm
I now know brandon is nice. I am going to go with kishmond.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: LadyM on December 20, 2007, 06:17:20 pm
The votes were over and counted. The Elves believed Kishmond to be naughty. They grabbed him and tied him up with a string of tree lights and dropped him in a vat of Hot Chocolate. Since the lights were still plugged in, Kishmond was electrocuted instantly. After they pulled him out, his wallet fell from his pants. Inside was identification confirming that he was indeed a Santa's Helper for the NICE. Santa shook his head. He was also angry at another elf missing 3 votes. He glared at SBD and waved his hand. *poof* SBD was now a pile of powdered sugar. SBD was a BAD SANTA for the Naughty. He told everyone to go to bed and try again in the morning.

It's now the night phase and time for the Naughty to get to work. Send in your orders if you wish to use them.
Night Phase starts: 9:15 pm EST
Night Phase ends in 15 hours.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Brandonazz on December 20, 2007, 06:18:56 pm
For those of us who survive the night, you will vote Celdur.

We now know that he is naughty.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Lualmoba on December 20, 2007, 06:22:23 pm
I guess that wasn't too bad, then. Only 4 more Naughty to go.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: LadyM on December 20, 2007, 06:25:28 pm
Also, Celdur why did you post and not vote? Now your on the "no vote" list.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Hammerman58 on December 20, 2007, 06:33:08 pm
Something tells me that im not going to make it through the night. :'( All i can say is i served santa well.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Cobra on December 20, 2007, 07:09:19 pm
Actually killer if you are really on the nice side then you are likely to be spared unless your power is a threat to the naughty. People suspect you of being one of them the last thing the naughty would want to do is confirm that as they rely on the nice asking what if?

Your more likely to be killed by the naughty if you are a confirmed nice as they don't want someone trustworthy being able to influance the nice people.

Create an interest delemma for the nice if they make it too obvious they are nice they risk the naughty coming at the at night. If they stay to ambiguos then they risk being lynched during the day.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Hammerman58 on December 20, 2007, 07:44:38 pm
I only though brandon as someone to vote for because i thought he was the nice traitor.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: LadyM on December 21, 2007, 08:51:29 am
Morning came and the elves were anxious going to breakfast, afraid of finding another nice elf dead. Santa took roll call and everyone was accounted for. There were no deaths during the night. The elves cheered and the daytime vote began. Who will be the next to die?

Day Phase: Begins 11:45
Day Phase ends: approx. 20 hours.

Vote List
Alwayswatching - Celdur
Brandonazz - Celdur
Celdur
Cobra - Celdur
Froman - Celdur
Inkling - Celdur
Killerboy85
Krakow Sam - Mr. Consideration
Lualmoba - Celdur
Met
Mr Consideration
neoadept - Celdur
Rhodix
sgore - Celdur
Space Oddity - Celdur
Total Sandwich - Celdur
unlamp - Celdur
Yossitaru - Celdur

Vote Tally
Celdur - 13
Mr. Consideration - 1

No Vote
Celdur
Killerboy
Met - 2 times
Rhodix - 2 times
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Brandonazz on December 21, 2007, 08:55:54 am
Celdur.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Mr. Consideration on December 21, 2007, 09:03:54 am
No Kills? Mafia inactivity or some form of plot?
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: SpaceOddity on December 21, 2007, 09:39:56 am
I for vote Celdur also.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: emmet on December 21, 2007, 10:59:44 am
Celdur must die!
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Neoadept on December 21, 2007, 11:49:24 am
Celdur
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Yossitaru on December 21, 2007, 12:03:24 pm
Mob rule...

Celdur.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Inkling on December 21, 2007, 12:08:45 pm
No deaths at all? How very odd.  I'm not going to vote just yet.  How many Naughty do we think are left?
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Krakow Sam on December 21, 2007, 12:24:15 pm
I think its obvious the naughty are trying to get the nice to kill each other off.

Everyone was very quick to implicate celdur, so I'm personally thinking he may be innocent.

I vote for Mr Consideration.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Neoadept on December 21, 2007, 01:27:11 pm
Sigh... well goodbye everyone. I don't know how you came to this conclusion as I am innocent so I might as well spill the beans. I am a nice santas helper, I recently investigated Celdur and he turned out to be the Ghost of Christmas Past (naughty). In the same way I know that neoadept is nice. Ironically it's also the same way brandonazz knows neoadept is nice, therefore trusting him when he voted against me.   :-\

...

By the way, Celdur is naughty. Stop smiling, Celdur.

There's something we didn't get from the Naughties.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Lualmoba on December 21, 2007, 01:50:26 pm
There are 4 more Naughty.

I vote for Celdur.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Inkling on December 21, 2007, 02:15:46 pm
Ah, I had forgotten the last words of Kishmond.  In his honor, I vote Celdur.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: sgore on December 21, 2007, 02:53:52 pm
I'm voting for Celdur.
And I'm doing it with Jonie don't U worry by The Apples in Stereo playing in the backround.
I don't know why to be honest. I'm really tired.

There are 4 more Naughty.

I vote for Celdur.

Really, 4?

That seems somewhat low...
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Celdur on December 21, 2007, 03:23:39 pm
o boy...well i guess its the end then isnt it?

youl see what you did when the day ends...and then you might think a bit
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: TotalSandwich on December 21, 2007, 03:47:52 pm
Celdur
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: FROMAN on December 21, 2007, 04:40:21 pm
your right it is the end. celdur
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Cobra on December 21, 2007, 05:00:08 pm
celdur i have little time to go into any more detail but i think you can see why.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Mr. Consideration on December 22, 2007, 12:45:34 am
Well, Celdur will hang this time, so I'll vote for him.

That was a slightly pathetic reason to vote for me Sam; I didn't even vote for Celdur prior to your accusation. I'm getting more and more sure that you are naughty.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: unlamp on December 22, 2007, 03:25:16 am
I vote for Celdur.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: LadyM on December 22, 2007, 05:20:01 am
The day was ending and the votes poured in. All but one elf was convinced that Celdur was Naughty. The crowd grabbed Celdur and wrapped him up with packing tape. Round and round until he couldn't move and he eventually suffocated. They hung his taped body up on a wreath hanger for all to see. You see, Celdur was the Ghost of Christmas past, a very naughty elf. Santa and the Elves cheered but the remaining Naughty members plotted revenge.

Night Phase has begun. 8:30 am EST

Please send in your orders. If everyone can get them in quickly we can move along to the next phase. I'd like to pick the pace of the game up now since Christmas is getting closer.

Night Phase: 12 hours
Ends: 8:30 pm EST
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: emmet on December 22, 2007, 09:56:55 am
We're definetly gonna win now!
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Lualmoba on December 22, 2007, 02:01:38 pm
Only 3 more Naughty to go!

I think you should update the first page, LadyM.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Krakow Sam on December 22, 2007, 03:29:28 pm
Well, Celdur will hang this time, so I'll vote for him.

That was a slightly pathetic reason to vote for me Sam; I didn't even vote for Celdur prior to your accusation. I'm getting more and more sure that you are naughty.

Eh. I'm just naturally against voting the same way as the majority, and its hardly as if me voting for you had any impact on the game. Lynch me if you must satisfy your suspicious nature, but it won't help you any.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: LadyM on December 22, 2007, 05:34:46 pm
Morning came and as the elves made their way to the dining hall, they passed the giant Christmas Tree in the middle of the town. They were all quite shocked to see that YOSSITARU was tangled up in the string of lights. There was a strand of frayed lights wrapped around his neck as if he had hung himself. He was quite dead and the town soon found out that they hit a very lucky break as YOSSITARU was none other than the THE MOUSE KING. Cheers rang through the town square and it was time to vote again. They felt confident that they would have the Naughty elves cleared out soon.

Day Phase has begun: 8:30 pm EST
Day Phase lasts 15 hours (end 11:30 am EST)

Vote List
Alwayswatching
Brandonazz
Cobra - Alwayswatching
Froman - Alwayswatching
Inkling - Alwayswatching
Killerboy85 - Alwayswatching
Krakow Sam - Alwayswatching
Lualmoba - Alwayswatching
Met
Mr Consideration
Neoadept
Rhodix

sgore -Alwayswatching
Space Oddity - Alwayswatching
Total Sandwich - Alwayswatching
unlamp - Alwayswatching

Vote Tally
Alwayswatching -9

No Vote
Alwayswatching
Brandonazz
Met
Mr Consideration
Neoadept
Rhodix


Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Lualmoba on December 22, 2007, 05:42:10 pm
Only 2 more Naughty to go! With this we have also gotten rid of someone's powers.

I vote for Alwayswatching.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Krakow Sam on December 22, 2007, 05:43:35 pm
To avoid being accused of voting at random this time, I vote for Always too.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: FROMAN on December 22, 2007, 06:07:09 pm
always as well
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Brandonazz on December 22, 2007, 06:08:27 pm
I want to hear what neoadept has to say before we vote.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Inkling on December 22, 2007, 06:32:54 pm
I'll go ahead and vote Alwayswatching, though I may change my vote later.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: sgore on December 22, 2007, 08:49:45 pm
I'll vote alwayswatching for now, but only because I don't know when I'll be on tomorrow.
I do have suspicions of Froman however, but it's not really based on anything.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Hammerman58 on December 22, 2007, 09:16:22 pm
well to go with the group always
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Cobra on December 22, 2007, 09:44:29 pm
I will go with the group for now but can someone tell me why we are voting for AW?

None the less until further notice as I don't know when I'll get a chance to vote again I choose alwayswatching
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: TotalSandwich on December 22, 2007, 09:54:56 pm
Strength in numbers. Alwayswatching
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: emmet on December 23, 2007, 02:12:04 am
I'd vote but there's no reason too. I'm going to die.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: SpaceOddity on December 23, 2007, 02:25:44 am
I vote for you too, sorry AlwaysWatching.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: unlamp on December 23, 2007, 02:43:17 am
I vote AlwaysWatching
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** Game Thread**
Post by: Mr. Consideration on December 23, 2007, 05:10:47 am
I see very little reason to vote for Alwayswatching. I'm withholding my vote right now.
Title: Re: LadyM's Christmas Mafia (IV) Game ** THE NICE ELVES WIN**
Post by: LadyM on December 23, 2007, 08:53:48 am
At the end of the day, which happened to be the shortest day of the year, the Elves for the first time voted unanimously to lynch Alwayswatching. He cowered in fear as they came for him. In a mad frenzy, they grabbed candy canes off the Christmas tree and stabbed at him over and over. After he was dead, they found out that Alwayswatching was originally the Naughty GRINCH but now the new MOUSE KING. Cheers went up all over the room. Santa was very happy with his elves but he was still disappointed in the ones that didn't vote. True to his word, he waved his hand and turned Rhodix and Met into powdered sugar. Met was a Tiny Tim for the Nice and Rhodix was a very naughty Gingerbreadman. He was also the very last Naughty elf.

The crisis was over and Christmas Day would be saved. Santa threw a huge party and gave the elves the day off.

"Well done everyone" as they danced and sang.

Night was upon them and Santa left to finish his sleigh packing. They heard him exclaim as he walked out of sight...

"Merry Christmas to all.. and to all a good night!!"