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Title: The apocolypse is here, Dungeons and Dragons....
Post by: smurfslayer on August 16, 2007, 07:11:37 pm
4th Edition...... http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/welcome&dcmp=ILC-DND062006FP



I have extremely mixed feelings on this. On one hand, it has potential to vastly improve the rule system, but it also means that the gigantic amount of v.3.5 books I've bought will now be useless (assuming I switch over to the new rules system). :( What do other DnD players on this board think?
Title: Re: The apocolypse is here, Dungeons and Dragons....
Post by: PatMan33 on August 16, 2007, 07:12:58 pm
I don't even play D&D and I have an idea of the implications of this event.

Hold me...

 :-\
Title: Re: The apocolypse is here, Dungeons and Dragons....
Post by: Brandonazz on August 16, 2007, 09:54:38 pm
I assume this is to D&D as Vista is to PC?
Title: Re: The apocolypse is here, Dungeons and Dragons....
Post by: Mr. Wizard on August 17, 2007, 01:33:41 am
I assume this is to D&D as Vista is to PC?

Basically.

Luckily I have never bought a DnD book. <.< >.>

Though I never understand why so many RPer's get worked up over it. I mean sure you buy the books, but I have read some posts go and call WotC the antichrist and say they only want money and are looking out for their own interests.

Oh wow, a company, wanting money from its product. There's a surprise. ::)
Title: Re: The apocolypse is here, Dungeons and Dragons....
Post by: Daxx on August 19, 2007, 11:14:06 am
It strikes me that if they're changing it for the sake of change rather than changing it to make the rules better (which I doubt, since the current system is pretty good) then it'll be a failure. Oh sure, the diehard fans will buy it, but I imagine most people will stick to 3.5.

If it's genuinely better, then there'll be a switch, of course. It all boils down to whether they can find anything broken that needed fixing to fix, or whether they just simply did stuff better.
Title: Re: The apocolypse is here, Dungeons and Dragons....
Post by: Celdur on August 23, 2007, 04:54:55 pm
wel like yokto said: you dont HAVE to play 4.0...so
Title: Re: The apocolypse is here, Dungeons and Dragons....
Post by: PikMini on August 28, 2007, 07:40:56 pm
Dungeons and Dragons is old, right?!
Title: Re: The apocolypse is here, Dungeons and Dragons....
Post by: Interitus on August 29, 2007, 10:17:13 am
Dungeons and Dragons is old, right?!

As far a I understand it it's old like windows is old. Brandon had the right idea. When they release new versions it makes the old books useless.
Title: Re: The apocolypse is here, Dungeons and Dragons....
Post by: /lurk on August 30, 2007, 02:17:02 pm
Yes, but then the old books assemble to form Pun-Pun.

So perhaps it's not really a bad thing.
Title: Re: The apocolypse is here, Dungeons and Dragons....
Post by: Legodragonxp on August 31, 2007, 11:41:08 am
...wait.. there was a second edition? (yeah I'm old enough for that joke)
-Lego
Title: Re: The apocolypse is here, Dungeons and Dragons....
Post by: Mae on September 01, 2007, 05:31:33 pm
I assume this is to D&D as Vista is to PC?

Only you can play games with it  :P.

Sorry.
Title: Re: The apocolypse is here, Dungeons and Dragons....
Post by: Gungnir on September 02, 2007, 06:10:17 pm
Well...hopefully they balance out the classes. For example, soulknives are really weak, but they really shouldn't be. It seems like they should be some kind of psionic rogue thing that's actually pretty cool. And sorcerers are kinda underpowered as well..
Title: Re: The apocolypse is here, Dungeons and Dragons....
Post by: Krakow Sam on September 07, 2007, 10:06:21 am
They should just dump psionics anyway. Why do you need psionics when you have magic?

I think they should have less core classes, but have more varients therein.
What is a Paladin? Its just a cleric thats focussed more on combat and less on healing.
What is a Barbarian? Its just a fighter with a few rogue abilities thrown in.
What's a Druid? A cleric without heavy armour proficieny and a different pool of spells to choose from.

Thats at least three unecessary classes that could be stripped out and replaced with more robust and adaptable versions of the 'core' classes. (Fighter, Rogue, Cleric, Wizard/Sorceror).
Title: Re: The apocolypse is here, Dungeons and Dragons....
Post by: Gungnir on September 07, 2007, 04:58:09 pm
I still think psionics is interesting. But it should be different from magic. Very different. And mages shouldn't be so underpowered. They should be balanced...and get rid of the per day thing and have like...Magical Energy units or whatever the hell you wanna call em, and they recharge at a certain rate. I think in rifts it's psychic power point...anyway, I think that would be much more interesting and realistic. Yeah, I know magic isn't realistic, but what are the chances that you can cast a certain spell only once a day, and the bam, next day you just get to cast it again?
Title: Re: The apocolypse is here, Dungeons and Dragons....
Post by: smurfslayer on September 07, 2007, 06:32:31 pm
Well, from what I've heard there will be no more preparing spells. Not sure if that means there will be spell points/mana but it does mean no more studying your spell book for an hour and then never having the right spells for the situation.
Title: Re: The apocolypse is here, Dungeons and Dragons....
Post by: Slartibartfast on October 23, 2007, 11:34:23 am
Dungeons & Dragons 4th Edition Presentation: Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_e5wAUwdmM)
Dungeons & Dragons 4th Edition Presentation: Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slLNNbcgiSs)at 7:48 - "Imagine a SUBSCRIPTION based website"
Dungeons & Dragons 4th Edition Presentation: Part 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aLXuMb6WWw)
Dungeons & Dragons 4th Edition Presentation: Part 4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uj-9vMYGu0Q)

Title: Re: The apocolypse is here, Dungeons and Dragons....
Post by: smurfslayer on May 29, 2008, 05:58:09 pm
Well, the three core rulebooks have been leaked and are currently on pirate bay. I downloaded them just to get a preview. I'm still buying the books (both to support WotC and because a PDF is no substitute for a hard copy) but it's nice to get to see the rules early. Everything is very very streamlined compared to 3.5. The classes work very differently. Now you choose all of your class abilities and the old spell system has been replaced, essentially making spells work exactly like other abilities. This will piss off some people but the spell system in 3.5 was pretty wonky.

In the end it's still going to come down to personal preference, and I'm sure some will argue that 4th edition had dumbed down DnD but I'm really liking what I see and I can't wait to try it in an actual game. If you're not sure about the new edition yet I suggest trying to make the PDF files somehow finding their way to your harddrive.
Title: Re: The apocolypse is here, Dungeons and Dragons....
Post by: /lurk on June 01, 2008, 06:49:44 pm
If you lose all things that are either really dumb or setting specific, you don't seem to have much to play with. I've only really skimmed it, though.

No DnD character I've ever made can really be accurately represented by the new rules - and I only ever made base class/base race characters (I'm not Yokto). Instead of taking KS's advice, which I endorsed, they've made the base classes much more limited in application.

Also stupid races are stupid.
Title: Re: The apocolypse is here, Dungeons and Dragons....
Post by: Daxx on July 11, 2008, 06:02:02 am
Hmm. I've given 4th Ed a try with some friends; we ran a pre-written adventure from a publication somewhere which was reasonably entertaining, with characters we genned from the rulebooks. My Dwarven Paladin consistently failed to hit anything, but he did a decent job as a meatshield (something I think he was designed for).

You know what strikes me? It's like those tactics games you get for handhelds. The whole game is so focused on combat, and not a whole lot else. There's so little substance in the system it was a totally different experience to DnD usually. It wasn't totally bad, since it was fun to treat it like a video game, but I think I'll be sticking to 3.5 for now.
Title: Re: The apocolypse is here, Dungeons and Dragons....
Post by: Werechicken on July 17, 2008, 02:39:12 am
All I know is that they're taking up valuable shelf space in Waterstone's that could be used for more manga or horror books! >:(