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Title: Resident Evil 5 controversy
Post by: Gungnir on August 13, 2007, 08:37:18 am
Ok, I just heard about this, and I don't understand this woman at all. She's a blogger who thinks the upcoming RE is going to be racist against blacks.

http://www.blacklooks.org/2007/07/resident_evil_5.html

There's another article..thing on the gamepolitics website. http://gamepolitics.com/2007/08/01/african-womens-blog-critical-of-resident-evil-5-trailer/

Now, how is it racism if in the other RE games the zombies/whatever were white? I thought equality meant being equal, not bitching about something so you can get special privileges?

*reminds me* Kinda like how we have a "Miss Black South Carolina". I'd love to see a "Miss Caucasian South Carolina".

edit: Actually, this may be more appropriate in the Everything else section...since it has less to do with the game, and more with the "Racist" aspect of it. I dunno. That's just me, so...
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is...racist?
Post by: ilikesanta on August 13, 2007, 08:45:57 am
I can kinda understand how someone might think that if they haven't seen 4, but really this whole thing is silly.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is...racist?
Post by: Yossitaru on August 13, 2007, 10:53:42 am
If people are thinking this upcoming game is racist, why didn't they think as such for RE4?

Understanding the circumstances is one thing, but if you don't understand what's going on, RE4 might appear rather racist as well. You're an American man killing (possibly) Spanish people called the "Los Gonados", which is Spanish for "the cattle". I think this whole thing is just an unprecedented attack against a game which happens to involve the still apparently sensitive issue of African/black people and violence in this country.

It's like pulling a Jack Thompson without any evidence. (Which, as painful as it might be to believe, JT does have at least a little basis to make his claims)
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is...racist?
Post by: WinterSnowblind on August 13, 2007, 10:56:52 am
All of the other games have been about killing mainly white people.  OMG!  Racist!

The game is set in Africa, and is supposedly about poverty, so yes, obviously the majority of the zombies are going to be black, but I really don't think race has anything to do with this at all.  I knew this argument was going to start up eventually as soon as I saw the trailer.  I swear, some people just complain about things because they can, and not because they're actually offended by it.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is...racist?
Post by: Krakow Sam on August 13, 2007, 11:06:02 am
I think what people seem to overlook is that it would be racist to not include black enemies in video games. Nevertheless, this seems common, because there seems to be a taboo against depicting black people in negative roles. I'm pretty sure there would be a few comments raised if this game was set in Africa but featured exclusively white zombies.

As an interesting aside, the concept of a Zombie comes from west African folklore in the first place.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is...racist?
Post by: Plank of Wood on August 13, 2007, 11:54:59 am
So there can be Asian zombies, Caucasian Zobies and tanned zombies, but no Black Zombies?


Some people have waaaay too much time on their hands.

From this day on, anyone who campains against something which has nothing wrong with it shall be burned to a giant marshmellow in india.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is...racist?
Post by: shock223 on August 13, 2007, 11:55:46 am
lets see... if the game take place in euro (o wait one already did) it would be white people fetured as zombies.

if one was in asia, it would be asain zombies.

and this game is in Africa so one would think it would have black people in it since most still live in Africa

I'm pretty sure there would be a few comments raised if this game was set in Africa but featured exclusively white zombies.

gameplay wise, that would make little sense but white people are the only people that no one really cares if they make things that offences them.

all i see here is poltically charged bs and spin...
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is...racist?
Post by: operaghost21 on August 13, 2007, 08:45:14 pm
Resident Evil 4 is racist against Spaniards! and Americans with German-sounding names!  :o
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is...racist?
Post by: Doctor Z on August 13, 2007, 09:10:37 pm
Maybe someone should make a game that is CLEARLY racist against Caucasians, and see if anyone gives a ****?
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is...racist?
Post by: Cool AN on August 14, 2007, 05:18:45 am
I agree with Doctor, it is ok to kill people, as long as they are white.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is...racist?
Post by: Gunner on August 14, 2007, 08:59:27 am
So she wants us to kill black zombies, instead of white zombies......???
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is...racist?
Post by: Legodragonxp on August 14, 2007, 12:20:01 pm
From the Geicko school of thought... I made this...

(http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/8356/zombiekillerqz4.jpg)


EDIT - Now that I think about it, I'm onboard with the angry racist crowd. This game promotes the feeling that all black zombies should kill all white people, and that would be a race and hate crime!

-Lego
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is...racist?
Post by: Gungnir on August 14, 2007, 12:45:15 pm
Heh. On one of her own comments to the blog post she made, she said she'd be more comfortable if the zombies were white.

And she doesn't think that's racism...wow.

edit:
Maybe someone should make a game that is CLEARLY racist against Caucasians, and see if anyone gives a ****?

Go ahead. You'll have my support.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is...racist?
Post by: The Time Traveller on August 14, 2007, 12:51:30 pm
Maybe someone should make a game that is CLEARLY racist against Caucasians, and see if anyone gives a ****?
Well, in both Zoo Tycoon games, only white adult males can be eaten by escaped animals.  (I know this because I commonly "accidentally" delete fence pieces.)
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is...racist?
Post by: Cow on August 14, 2007, 02:52:53 pm
If the game takes place in South Africa, there'll be some white zombies.  ::)
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is...racist?
Post by: Legodragonxp on August 14, 2007, 06:51:35 pm
If the game takes place in South Africa, there'll be some white zombies.  ::)

They prefer to be called 'Anglo-European Reanimated Non-Living'
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is...racist?
Post by: Cow on August 14, 2007, 07:00:31 pm
Oh, I see.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is...racist?
Post by: DMB on August 14, 2007, 10:36:36 pm
The game doesn't really seem that racist at all. You can't really blame these guys for having black people, who after all live in Africa. Plus it is cool to see more diverse zombies. If only they could change the race of the main character and mix it up a little, like GTA.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is...racist?
Post by: PatMan33 on August 14, 2007, 10:38:57 pm
The people who are not going to shoot the black zombies can stand in front of my shotgun right now, I'll gladly put them out of their misery so that they don't have to endure being a zombie.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is...racist?
Post by: Gungnir on August 15, 2007, 08:47:01 am
Hah. I'd like to see someone try to beat RE5 without killing one black person/zombie.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is...racist?
Post by: Cow on August 15, 2007, 07:22:54 pm
Does that count stomach-knifing? Cause the zombies could survive.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is...racist?
Post by: HolsteinCow on August 16, 2007, 09:10:08 am
re5 will be about the goiters

i hope you have some salt
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is...racist?
Post by: Cow on August 16, 2007, 04:24:22 pm
I'll shove the iodine right down their pie-holes!
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is...racist?
Post by: shock223 on August 17, 2007, 10:54:03 am
I'll shove the iodine right down their pie-holes!

That is Racism against Pies! pies have feelings to you know
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is...racist?
Post by: Unknown User on August 17, 2007, 03:03:27 pm
These blogs came up in another forum I visit a little while back.  There's more of these blogs stating this than you'd think, actually. 

The most notable, and the one that I thought had at least something of a valid point was this one. (http://microscopiq.com/2007/07/blackface-goes-hd/)  Now, that's not saying I agree with him, but only that he goes beyond saying "KILLING BLACKS IS RACIST OMG!"

Essentially, he states that we've worked so hard to get the stereotype of Africa and Africans out of our system, and this only works against that progress.  Discuss!

Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is...racist?
Post by: Person21 on August 17, 2007, 03:40:43 pm
Essentially, he states that we've worked so hard to get the stereotype of Africa and Africans out of our system, and this only works against that progress.  Discuss!

Theres a stereotype that Black people are insane and try to kill everyone?


I need to get out more  :P
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is...racist?
Post by: Cow on August 17, 2007, 03:54:14 pm
Yes, yes you do.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is...racist?
Post by: SmileyMan on August 18, 2007, 03:51:54 am
Idiots like that woman make me want to kill people who yell "RACISM!11". Like black people calling white people "white trash", "white boy", etc., but people want to lynch a white man if he yells "Nigger!" at a black man.

Btw. Anonymous delivers:
Quote from: Anonymous
New weapon confirmed for RE5: “Fried Chicken”

Details on Capcom’s upcoming game Resident Evil 5 are sparse, but a new weapon has been confirmed. Fried Chicken comes in either cases of 3 or buckets of 10 which are scattered throughout the game, or sometimes dropped by defeated enemies. A piece of Fried Chicken can be thrown like a grenade or dropped. Any enemies in the vicinity (who can see or smell it) will immediately be attracted to it, and converge upon its location, dropping whatever they are doing at the moment.
If there are multiple enemies in the area, they will viciously attack each other.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is...racist?
Post by: Grazony on August 18, 2007, 04:32:40 am
Btw. Anonymous delivers:
Quote from: Anonymous
New weapon confirmed for RE5: “Fried Chicken”

Details on Capcom’s upcoming game Resident Evil 5 are sparse, but a new weapon has been confirmed. Fried Chicken comes in either cases of 3 or buckets of 10 which are scattered throughout the game, or sometimes dropped by defeated enemies. A piece of Fried Chicken can be thrown like a grenade or dropped. Any enemies in the vicinity (who can see or smell it) will immediately be attracted to it, and converge upon its location, dropping whatever they are doing at the moment.
If there are multiple enemies in the area, they will viciously attack each other.

I know that racist but it makes me laugh so hard.

Back on topic: I don't see why thier so upset I mean we're all the same color on the inside which is red....and pink...and maybe yellow....and couple of other colors.....but you know what I mean.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is...racist?
Post by: Cow on August 18, 2007, 08:04:11 am
Racism: It's all about the skin adaptations based on the place you live.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is...racist?
Post by: Mr. Consideration on August 21, 2007, 02:56:16 am
This is stupid beyond belief. Just chuck in some token white zombies and placate the positive discrimination Nazis.

Most Black or Asian people I know find postive discrimination offensive, anyway.

And, of course, the game is made in Japan, by Japanese people.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is...racist?
Post by: Clockwerk on August 21, 2007, 07:37:38 pm
There is no way this game is racist.  Black people are in the game because of location only.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is...racist?
Post by: DarkDragon on September 05, 2007, 03:16:42 pm
You know how black people are... a white person says "Nigger" and they kill him, a black person says the same thing and they're ok with it... white people make a zombie game with black zombies, it's racism, if the game were made by black people, it would be ok :D
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is...racist?
Post by: Blarg on September 05, 2007, 07:58:18 pm
Technically, everyone's skin is just a lighter or darker shade of brown. Our skin pigment is due to levels of melanin (sp?), which, just to letcha know, is brown.  :)
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is...racist?
Post by: The Time Traveller on September 05, 2007, 07:59:17 pm
Maybe someone should make a game that is CLEARLY racist against Caucasians, and see if anyone gives a ****?
Well, in both Zoo Tycoon games, only white adult males can be eaten by escaped animals.  (I know this because I commonly "accidentally" delete fence pieces.)
Oh, and in Roller Coaster Tycoon 3,  only white adult males can drown in lakes.  (The 'move guest' option is very entertaining....)
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is...racist?
Post by: Ultramarine on December 18, 2007, 05:19:51 pm
Idiots like that woman make me want to kill people who yell "RACISM!11". Like black people calling white people "white trash", "white boy", etc., but people want to lynch a white man if he yells "Nigger!" at a black man.

Btw. Anonymous delivers:
Quote from: Anonymous
New weapon confirmed for RE5: “Fried Chicken”

Details on Capcom’s upcoming game Resident Evil 5 are sparse, but a new weapon has been confirmed. Fried Chicken comes in either cases of 3 or buckets of 10 which are scattered throughout the game, or sometimes dropped by defeated enemies. A piece of Fried Chicken can be thrown like a grenade or dropped. Any enemies in the vicinity (who can see or smell it) will immediately be attracted to it, and converge upon its location, dropping whatever they are doing at the moment.
If there are multiple enemies in the area, they will viciously attack each other.
No way is it racist to blacks. I myself am black and it seems that ignorant people quickly assume that they're killing blacks so the game has to be racist.

One thing that people forget to notice is the stereotype put into RE:4.
Stereotypical European people were used and for that matter most of all Re games in the franchise were clearely white.

(http://www.best-horror-movies.com/images/resident-evil-zombie-small.jpg)

I know not a video game screen shot but most concist of white zombies, and back then i have heard no complaints of being racist in any way.

But when the concept of RE: 5 came along things got out of context. anyone who thinks they are racist then go ahead and say so but go labeling the game design as such when you haven't even played it yet!! >:( And for those who just read this I am sorry for ranting... just had to blow of some steam. And Smileyman watch your mouth, just trying to keep you out of trouble you know! ;)



Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is...racist?
Post by: Hizzah on December 19, 2007, 02:18:14 pm
Quote from: Anonymous
New weapon confirmed for RE5: “Fried Chicken”

Details on Capcom’s upcoming game Resident Evil 5 are sparse, but a new weapon has been confirmed. Fried Chicken comes in either cases of 3 or buckets of 10 which are scattered throughout the game, or sometimes dropped by defeated enemies. A piece of Fried Chicken can be thrown like a grenade or dropped. Any enemies in the vicinity (who can see or smell it) will immediately be attracted to it, and converge upon its location, dropping whatever they are doing at the moment.
If there are multiple enemies in the area, they will viciously attack each other.


Haha   :D



500 posts...W00T!
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is...racist?
Post by: Luminar on December 20, 2007, 01:03:15 am
The whole "It's only racist if they're black" thing is due to the fact that white people are considered the standard as far as society goes, therefore it's not considered to be anti-white to kill whites unless you make a specific point of it. It's like if I say "bread", you probably didn't think wholemeal - you just thought up any old bread, most likely white bread; yet the type didn't matter. Same principle.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is...racist?
Post by: Mae on December 20, 2007, 03:01:57 pm
The whole "It's only racist if they're black" thing is due to the fact that white people are considered the standard as far as society goes, therefore it's not considered to be anti-white to kill whites unless you make a specific point of it. It's like if I say "bread", you probably didn't think wholemeal - you just thought up any old bread, most likely white bread; yet the type didn't matter. Same principle.

I thought of Breadcat... that's bad, isn't it?

Also, this lady's just plain stupid. Is SHE black? If so, she's misunderstanding the situation, and taking it out of context. It's weird, and wrong, and she should get more informed (and get out more in general). If she's NOT (which I believe) then isn't she being racist, by defending black people? What say does she have in this? I'd say she doesn't deserve a blog.

This is quite stupid, I'd say.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is...racist?
Post by: blitzonator on January 01, 2008, 08:20:52 am
Zombies are Zombies. Apart from Zmombies. They are evil.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is...racist?
Post by: Aak193 on February 10, 2008, 12:23:37 pm
I don't like crazy chicks. She popably is just craving attention by making up stuff because shes ugly >.> I was gonna say somthing else but I forgot v.v
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is...racist?
Post by: eropS on February 17, 2008, 11:15:32 pm
Its times like these i fear for the future of earth...
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is...racist?
Post by: 762 on February 18, 2008, 10:12:56 am
This site is clearly stupid. Take a look at this article (http://www.blacklooks.org/2008/02/what_do_vegans_eat.html). The article itself is about someone who decided to be vegan without really knowing what it is.

Quote
But what about the drums in the band are they not made of animal skins? I need help on that one but maybe I am only a “food vegan“?
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Do I have the right to deprive her of the dried meaty dog food she loves and turn her into a vegan dog?

one of the comments (#4 to be precise) is about how most vegan sites are racist so the writer of the post made a blog specifically for black vegans. I left a nice post in comment #8 for her.

EDIT: Found this on her blog:

Back near the beginning of this blog, I wrote about how Vegetarian Journal exotified Asian foods & seemed, in doing so, to be writing from a viewpoint that centered non-Asian — probably white — American experience & culture.


I think we can all agree that she is explicitly looking for racism in every corner of semantics.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is...racist?
Post by: Cool AN on February 18, 2008, 10:40:04 am
I have a hard time taking that blog's opinion on anything that might remotely be seen as racist - or sexist for that matter-  serious when it is called Black Looks and on the left side is a variety of links for African Lesbians. Not saying that it is a bad thing however it might be a little biased.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is...racist?
Post by: Snake Plissken on February 23, 2008, 06:13:47 am
From the Geicko school of thought... I made this...

(http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/8356/zombiekillerqz4.jpg)


EDIT - Now that I think about it, I'm onboard with the angry racist crowd. This game promotes the feeling that all black zombies should kill all white people, and that would be a race and hate crime!

-Lego

That's an unexpecting pic right there. Like I said on the movie, I really think there isn't any racism involved in some junk such as this.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is...racist?
Post by: Glacies on February 26, 2008, 03:49:11 am
Racism=No.
Woman with blog=Whopee, one racist-freakblogger. Life goes on.
 
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is...racist?
Post by: Pixxel on March 04, 2008, 06:57:19 am
This is just ridiculous almost as ridiculous as Jack Thomsons war against video games...
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is...racist?
Post by: Snake Plissken on March 05, 2008, 10:26:11 am
That's why there is the
Citizens United Negating Technology For Life And People's Safety
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is...racist?
Post by: PatMan33 on March 05, 2008, 10:34:01 am
Nicely done. :)
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is...racist?
Post by: Ultramarine on March 05, 2008, 12:48:40 pm
That's why there is the
Citizens United Negating Technology For Life And People's Safety
*fixed*
And great suggestion by the way Snake. All I have to say for the people against RE:5 is they  have no idea what the game will be like till it's released. If there's any ounce of prejudice against the African race then there's a problem. No one has the right to label something until proven guilty(even though no matter what a majority of people do that anyway :P).

But so far there is no indication of prejudice, and I don't think a prestigious company like Campcom would release a game to the public that is racist. If anything I think it is a good turn for capcom to change the demographic for the basic zombie-ish enemies for this installment; it feels fresh :).
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is...racist?
Post by: Snake Plissken on March 12, 2008, 10:38:17 am
I'M SORRY FOR PUTTING YOUR NAME IN THIS THREAD! DAMN IT I'M NOT RACIST! HELP ME OUT!!!! :( :-[
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is...racist?
Post by: Krakow Sam on March 13, 2008, 06:03:55 am
That's why there is the
Citizens United Negating Technology For Life And People's Safety
*fixed*
And great suggestion by the way Snake. All I have to say for the people against RE:5 is they  have no idea what the game will be like till it's released. If there's any ounce of prejudice against the African race then there's a problem. No one has the right to label something until proven guilty(even though no matter what a majority of people do that anyway :P).

The very idea theres an 'African race' is racist in itself. It like saying theres an 'American Race' or an 'Asian race'. Its ridiculous.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is...racist?
Post by: Draugr on April 14, 2008, 07:02:35 pm
God some black people really need to take a step back and realize that every freakin' thing with a black person not depicted as ****ing hero isn't racist. I mean seriously, your elders and ancestors fought for their equality so you leave the long era of racism and bigotry behind you, not so you could harken back to it constantly.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is...racist?
Post by: PatMan33 on April 14, 2008, 07:16:53 pm
(http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/8696/policebrutalityjq4.jpg)

 :-\
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is...racist?
Post by: J-Caizer on April 17, 2008, 07:45:25 pm
^Um....... oh my god?

Guys, it's not that people think the game is racist.  It's that the game is pretty visually offensive.

See this rant to understand... (http://www.g4tv.com/video_detail.aspx?video_key=21276)
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is...racist?
Post by: Krakow Sam on April 18, 2008, 03:17:00 am
Oh! A horror game that makes you uncomfortable? Perish the thought! If the fact that the zombies are black scares people then the creators of the game have done their job.

To be honest, the whole idea that the skin colour of the zombies is even taken into consideration is a sign people are inherantly prejudiced. I'm sure this wouldn't be as much of an issue if all the zombies were white and had brown hair, or all the zombies were men.

I just get the feeling the guy doing that video is sort of prejudiced himself, but he feels uncomfortable that he feels that way, and consequently feels the need to overcompensate.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is...racist?
Post by: Gauphastus on April 18, 2008, 12:23:49 pm
I do not care about the color of their skin.
And I do not care if you don't believe me.

I've said it before: I just wanna kill zombies.
Zombies can be anything. Child, animal, black/white/green skinned humanoid, or whatever the hell.
Buuuuut... if you try to eat my brains, I'm going to have to blow you away.


I can understand how folks would be uncomfortable about it, but I really don't think it's necessary. There's no real proof of actual racism here, so why folks would work themselves up based around the mere possibility of it is confusing.
So whatever.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is...racist?
Post by: B.A.S. on April 18, 2008, 12:49:54 pm
I dont get this whole train of thought. So let me get this straight people belive this game is racist because the Zombies are black? So I guess the other Resident Evil's were racist because the Zombies in that one were white as well? Give me a break it doesnt matter what skin colour they are just **** off already. I swear people just look for **** to complain about.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is...racist?
Post by: 762 on April 18, 2008, 12:56:35 pm
I don't agree that the game is inherently intended to be racist, but it would make me uncomfortable to kill only black people in a video game, especially that many.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is...racist?
Post by: Cool AN on April 18, 2008, 01:03:13 pm
Wheres killing white zombies is all fine and dandy? They're all humans, it shouldn't matter who you kill. How many games has you killing white males compared to games where you kill black people of any gender? Isn't that more racist?
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is...racist?
Post by: Krakow Sam on April 18, 2008, 05:16:15 pm
I can understand how folks would be uncomfortable about it, but I really don't think it's necessary. There's no real proof of actual racism here, so why folks would work themselves up based around the mere possibility of it is confusing.
So whatever.

Yeah, you basically summed up my thoughts much more succinctly than I managed to.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is...racist?
Post by: blitzonator on April 18, 2008, 05:39:48 pm
I dont get this whole train of thought.
Me neither.
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So let me get this straight people belive this game is racist because the Zombies are black?
Yup.
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So I guess the other Resident Evil's were racist because the Zombies in that one were white as well?
No, cucacions are basically the medium.
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Give me a break it doesnt matter what skin colour they are just **** off already. I swear people just look for **** to complain about.
You have bad grammar. I'm complaining like a wuss. Waa.

I just hope these Idiots win a darwin award each.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is...racist?
Post by: Hizzah on April 18, 2008, 06:02:02 pm
All right...of course it's ridiculous and everything, but for all the white guys out there, aren't you at least a teensy bit uncomfortable watching the gameplay footage? I mean, it's probably that whole "white guilt" thing every Caucasian seems to be born with nowadays...But at the same time it was almost kind of empowering   ;D how's that for racist, eh??

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/03/26/check-out-some-brief-resident-evil-5-footage/ (http://www.joystiq.com/2008/03/26/check-out-some-brief-resident-evil-5-footage/)

Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is...racist?
Post by: B.A.S. on April 18, 2008, 06:08:35 pm
Nope cant say I feel the least bit empowered, im not born with that White Guilt thing anyway. My family that I know of had nothing to do with the Slavery that went on during those times. Infact im the first born Canadian in my Scottish Family.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is...racist?
Post by: Kcronos on April 18, 2008, 11:09:33 pm
It's in Africa, right?


People in Africa usually have black skin, am I right?




So technically, it would be racist if they didn't have blacks.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is...racist?
Post by: Yannick on April 19, 2008, 06:36:23 am
Oh no, black people in africa? NO WAY!


The very fact she thinks black people can't be zombies is racist.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is...racist?
Post by: Gungnir on April 19, 2008, 09:58:30 am
Hmm..I thought it was haiti....Oh well.
Title: Understanding the RE5 Controversy - No... It's NOT That People Think It's Racist
Post by: J-Caizer on April 19, 2008, 01:00:13 pm
Sorry for making another thread for this, but I think you people need a heads up over here in understanding what's going on.  I've gone through this discussion on a couple other boards and then came over here to see what Steve's people thought.

I have to say, I was pretty shocked and disappointed at the replies I saw in that RE5 thread.  Someone even posted up a pretty racist cartoon in there.  I don't post here ever, I listen to the show, but I always thought the GS forums would be more intelligent that that.

Anyway, got a video and some quotes for you to explain what all is going on with the RE5 Controversy and why people are offended.  And it's NOT that we think the game is racists.

Resident Uncomfortable... please click.....link fixed! (http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/684622/Sesslers_Soapbox_Resident_Uncomfortable.html)

Where once this poster didn't get what was up, after watching the above he had this to say....

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I just watched the video myself, and I have to say that it put the whole issue in better perspective. I never really liked Adam Sessler before, but he's a little bit cooler in my book after that, kudos.

I think what had the most effect was just his first statement about the game itself, "mowing down row after row after row of Africans." The fact that he makes it known that we're talking about Africans in Africa, as opposed to "black people" (which I think might have been a cause of some confusion in this topic before now), coupled with the actual footage from the game (which I hadn't seen) definitely allows me to see how some might feel, well, uncomfortable in regards to RE5. I have to say that I myself am still not entirely opposed to the idea, as I think a zombie story in a place where things like voodoo and disease is prevalent and makes for an interesting premise (kind of like The Serpent and The Rainbow), but from what the game clips show, it's just a guy killing 3rd world people in a 3rd world country, without making use of any of the aforementioned interesting concepts. While I don't think this is any more offensive than RE4 painting Eastern Europeans as bat****-crazy, bloodthirsty villains (some of which weren't even zombies) at a basic level, I agree with what Keith says about it being too true to life. Maybe if there wasn't so much still going on in hotspots like Africa it would be different, but it kind of looks like something you'd see on the news, and without the full moon, the tombstones, the organ music, and the eating of brains, it was a little too "extermination" and not enough "survival horror"; it's an interesting idea, it just isn't really necessary. I can see how Capcom is trying to break some new ground as far as locale; the city outbreak has been done to death, as has the underground, the chemical facilities, the military bunkers, etc. Even countryside locations like RE4 have now been explored. A desert/jungle location is a logical next step and frankly a pretty neat idea, but really, you play the game because you want to kill the **** out of undead flesheaters, not Africans. They could just as easily have set it in a fictional country, or an unnamed one with a little less resemblance, and it would have the same effect.

I haven't really changed my stance, but after seeing this video, my posture has altered.

Here's another good one...

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I'm not saying, wouldn't say, and haven't said I blame any current people for atrocities that happened for 500 years.  I don't think anyone in the gaming community who's offended by RE5 does or would.  What I would say is that the effect of five centuries of that and having it only ended about 4 decades ago can have a pretty strong effect on the present and how a race of people are still trying to rise up from that past.  That includes being sensitive of pretty offensive imagery.  And I don't mean "overly sensitive", I mean "rightfully sensitive." And no, I don't seek out to be offended.  I don't bring up the past because it's fun, want attention, or any of those kind of reasons.  That's not bull****.  It just... is.

I, nor any black person I know wants to make a competition out of "which race suffered more" or "we're the only race that's suffered in history."  I find that notion pretty insulting and inconsiderate.  It's not a dark spot in history, it's about 90% of American history.

As someone said on my board, the depiction of Spaniards wasn't exactly flattering, but the overall world presented in RE4 was far more horror/fantastical.  Full moon, music, grave stones, castles, and so forth panted RE4 with fun gothic horror imagery.  It wasn't even close to being realistic.  It was a classic ghost town.

RE5 on the other hand is more realistic, there's no horror dressing anywhere other than to make the Africans themselves look pretty gorram angry, ugly, and savage.  And that's just not cool to me.  At least so far as we've seen in the trailer.

I'll probably say for the thousandth time this thread alone, but it's not simply because they're black.  I have no problem with that.  But you draw blacks/Africans like they're drawn in RE5 and acting they way they do and you're going to disgust a certain group of people and be offended.  Sure, all RE games are creepy and scary... but not like how RE5 is.  I find the game more disturbing and offensive to how the developers choose to make Africans look in what's suppose to be a fun game.

While COD4 and other war games do leave me uncomfortable, I guess the reason why people aren't as offended is because they're fighting against trained and armed combatants.  Therefore you're sorta on equal footing, as opposed to having fun hauling off and punching a starved, angry and ugly African in his or her face.

Another guy had this to say..

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I think Croal's point is that there are certain images that carry weight. Like it or not (in this particular instance), that weight won't be the same for white folks as it is for blacks. There isn't a cultural **** fest in my white boy cultural past that gets pinged every time I see certain sets of images. But I CAN see a black person looking at those random images in RE5 and getting..well...some sort of dark feeling in regard to images that could very well be taken as referencing a very, very dark and uncool part of their races' past. Whether or not you were there or experienced any of it is irrelevant. It's a reminder, a hearkening. It makes you feel something. Croal seems to be saying that you have to take that into the equation and on that I agree. Where Capcom failed in this regard is that they gave no context. And no, saying that it's set in Africa isn't proper context in this case. They simply put it out there as a "game" and I'm not sure that was the best idea. We're all not sure what Capcom is doing with these particular designs or situations and without that, we're left to our own interpretations. With the strong imagery that's portrayed there, it's no suprise that some folks don't like it.

I think that the point is simply to recognize that, when any strong images that evoke a human emotion are being used, there is a responsibility on the part of the creator(s) involved. It's the same responsibility that Ken Levine had when the images of killing children had to be involved in the plotline to Bioshock. The fact that he put that HORRILBE idea in a context that made it even remotely palpable shows that he did it right.  And I STILL didn't like it. If Levine had simply shown a clip of a first person shooter where you kill a child, with no knowledge of story, context or place, the father of Rowan Hilden would have been ready to tear some developer heads clean off.

I think Capcom would do the whole gaming world a favor by shedding some proper light on this whole subject.

There's more and I can point out the threads to you if you want, but I hope this helps.  I always thought the Gaming Steve Community would be the cream of the crop and better than what I saw in your RE5 thread.  Here's hoping this brings the proper perspective to what's going on so that you guys can continue forward with intelligent conversation and better understanding of the actually issues at hand.

Double Post merge:
Shoot... I kinda made my post it's own thread because it really should be seen here.  It being buried in this thread, a lot of people are going to miss out on it having already weighed in on what they think and missing the real point.

I really don't like it associated with this thread as even the thread title is misleading and pretty much the opposite of my above post.

If the above can be moved back to his own thread and title, that'd be awesome.  If not... it's a real shame a lot of people that need to see it in the Gaming Steve forums aren't and will just continue on thinking that the problem people have with the game is that it's racists...... which we don't think and that's not the problem.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 controversy
Post by: Gorman Conall on April 20, 2008, 08:55:51 pm
Was residential evil 4 racist for having almost all Spanish zombies? no..well then its not racist because resident evil 5 has almost all black zombies case closed end of story.

Do you know what they would call a game with a black guy  mostly slaughtering beating and robbing almost all white people?.

Grand theft auto san andreas Game of the year.

Even though that was sarcasm I'm not to far off.

My best friend (who is black) would likely have a good chuckle about this if i showed him.
Title: Re: Understanding the RE5 Controversy - No... It's NOT That People Think It's Ra
Post by: PatMan33 on April 20, 2008, 11:37:28 pm
Someone even posted up a pretty racist cartoon in there.  I don't post here ever, I listen to the show, but I always thought the GS forums would be more intelligent that that.

*off topic warning*

Sorry the picture offended, but don't expect me to take it down because it wasn't to your liking. You know what, it's racist; you know what else, it's true. As a white male in America, I've got a pretty tough time of it when it comes to the discussion of racism. No matter what I say I'm a racist, so you know what, forget it! White people are racist against black people, black people are racist against white people, everyone hates each other. The laws and systems in place favor wealthy white people, but they also give unfair advantages to poor black people. Shoot, is that a bitch or what?

But you know, screaming and yelling and pointing fingers at each other isn't going to fix any of that stuff. We all have our own issues to work out as well as joint issues that need to be solved together. Right now though, I guess we aren't ready to do that so the racism will continue, and the unfair practices within the system will not cease... but you can bet that I'm still going to talk about it. After all, not talking about it is the worst thing you could do.

Believe you me, I'm racist, I admit it. But don't you dare call me intolerant or discriminatory because that just isn't the case. I'm reaching for that rainbow, but I tell you, I have a feeling that I won't see the day when this kind of stuff is a thing of the past.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 controversy
Post by: Gorman Conall on April 21, 2008, 01:38:46 am
Its pretty common knowledge to most i would think that the comic pat posted is true.

1: People don't talk about it for obvious reasons.

2: Some refuse to accept it.

3: Some are just plain ignorant.

I grew up in a primarily black area. I also have visited many many almost completely black towns. I have had to accept facts about the black population in general both good and bad. If i or anyone dares mention a bad one we are declared racist. The thing is however is theses bad *facts* have nothing to do with the fact that their skin is black. It has to do with culture society and where and how they are lived and raised.

My best friend is black and many of my close friends are. But you know what? You can tell a huge difference between them and many other black people. Why? they were raised in a different area with a different social culture. Nothing bad or even good for that matter is inherited due to skin color.

White people are not immune to it. I know white people who have those (I'm trying to be politically correct here) bad facts too. They were raised in that social culture its just the way it is.

Now I'm not racist at all and i will bring up multiple dictionary quotes if i must. But pats comic is so true it stinks and from the time i heard about resident evil 5 i knew this was going to happen. Once advertising starts i wouldn't be surprised it a riot or two breaks out and the game ends up banned in America. I just don't see the African American community letting this slide by when they see commercials of a white man killing a bunch of black people.

I don't consider you racist Pat. I doubt you *hate* anybody for skin color or such. I just consider you open like me. Don't get offended though I'm not saying you and i see things 100% the same. I'm just saying we both accepted facts that to be blunt are quite obvious to everyone and we aren't afraid to say it.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 controversy
Post by: Yuu on April 21, 2008, 02:34:42 am
               Besides, they're not people anymore. They're zombies. And zombies kill people, who usually want to survive.

               Some people can't seem to grasp that point of view.

               If it's ever discriminatory, it's towards the world's population of zombies.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 controversy
Post by: J-Caizer on April 21, 2008, 05:21:52 am
Was residential evil 4 racist for having almost all Spanish zombies? no..well then its not racist because resident evil 5 has almost all black zombies case closed end of story.

Do you know what they would call a game with a black guy  mostly slaughtering beating and robbing almost all white people?.

Grand theft auto san andreas Game of the year.

Even though that was sarcasm I'm not to far off.

My best friend (who is black) would likely have a good chuckle about this if i showed him.

My above post explains the problem with RE5.... and it's not that it's racist.  Even explains the difference between RE4 and RE5.

It also points out that the problem isn't "a white person shooting black people."

Thought I'd give it a go here.  Hope someone gives my post a read and sees what's up.

I get the feeling the GS forums aren't for me.  I have to say..... some of the posts I see in this thread are pretty.... disturbing.

And if it was as simple as knee jerk racism, San Andreas would be getting the same treatment for glorifying all the worst aspect of black culture.

It's about each individual's point of view and context, guys.  If a cop were disgusted and appauled by San Andreas, would you tell him to shut up and stop calling everything racist or would you understand that since he tries to do right by his city, has friends that might've been killed in action, that he would be offended by how negatively the police are portrayed in the game and that it's part of the "fun" of killing cops in the game.

It's not that RE5 is racist.  It's historical context for black people who have close family members that have experienced real racism and that the imagery evokes discomfort and disgust.  It's about the dipiction of Africans for a "fun" video game experience and the shooting of and hauling off and hitting starving Africans, some of which dont' really seem to be infected to me.

The difference between this and RE4 is that the atmospher in RE4 is just.... horror fantasy.  Full moon, music, tombstones, groaning in the night and so forth.  It wasn't depiction of hispanics looking like dangerous savages.  It was a classic ghost town that brought fun to it.  RE5 *looks* like a starving African villiage where the people are drawn as monstrous and ugly as possible.  Most, if not all of which don't look zombified.

It's not as simple and straight forward as you guys think.  It's not racist or made by racists, but it is pretty damn offensive.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 controversy
Post by: Gorman Conall on April 21, 2008, 09:19:33 am
Do you know how many games i can name right now that are offensive to some people and sometimes a lot of people. How about movies? music? books?. I can list a lot if you want me too.

If you think the posts you have seen here are disturbing then you must be brand new to the internet. The posts are not disturbing you just happened to disagree with them.

Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 controversy
Post by: J-Caizer on April 21, 2008, 10:14:55 am
Not sure I'm seeing the connection of how many offensive things there are in the world and what I said... but you're right.  There are a lot of offensive things in the world.

And I've been through this discussion in several places.  This is the first one I've seen that's gone on so long with just... nobody stepping up to clue the thread in on what people are actually taking issue with on the game.  Just rampant belittling and making fun of racism with a racist cartoon to boot.

On the GS forum, which I found surprising and disturbing. 

I've been to one end of this internet to the other, and have seen some horrible things.  This by far isn't the worst I've seen, but I do most definately disagree with the majority of this thread.  It's just unexpected given what I thought one would see in a Gaming Steve forum.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 controversy
Post by: PatMan33 on April 21, 2008, 11:25:39 am
Dude... cry me a river, build a bridge, and get over it.

What did you expect to see? Did you expect to see intelligent conversation because most of the people here are "smart"? Hey buddy, the average IQ on this forum might be higher than that of GameFAQs but the discussion is all the same. Gaming Steve is just like any other community, we aren't any better than anyone else and we have the same problems that they do. So either suck it up and come to grips with that fact of life or just stop coming here like you've been alluding to for a while now.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 controversy
Post by: J-Caizer on April 21, 2008, 12:29:13 pm
No tears shed on my part, hombre.

What I expected to see was more than one person post what I did earlier in this thread, then others to fall in line of understanding and then intelligent conversation to grow out of it to put my message board and others to shame with the depth of how you guys understand the issue at hand.

Then see Steve swing in this is Ban Hammer of Lightening to smite those that would post such a heinous comic.

Others would be appaulled, apologizes spread and further discussion and understanding that would shed a light to the rest of the internet, whose warmth we could all feel.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 controversy
Post by: Ultramarine on April 21, 2008, 12:44:05 pm
Going out of your way like that for a purpose so useless is beyond me.

Instead of attracting attention to yourself with an off the cuff comment just try and keep things civil.
Besides this whole conversation was and still is intelligent.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 controversy
Post by: J-Caizer on April 21, 2008, 12:59:31 pm
Going out of what way to do what?   ???

I'm not sure what you mean about drawing attention to myself.  My last post or that first post I put in this thread?

As for intelligent or not, I shouldn't judge.  It's just 98% of the thread seemed to be discussing something that wasn't the issue and then going further to make light of racism and the such.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 controversy
Post by: PatMan33 on April 21, 2008, 01:07:50 pm
They were discussing what they wanted to discuss and what they felt was important. Who are you to tell them to talk about something else? Nobody here reserves the right to do that.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 controversy
Post by: Ultramarine on April 21, 2008, 01:11:43 pm
Correct.

Everyone has their own opinions and there own right to post things in this thread.
Even making light of the main topic and poking fun at it is fine, you can't force people to just go straight away back onto the main point unless things are getting out of control; which is up to a mod or the poster of the topic to address.

Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 controversy
Post by: J-Caizer on April 21, 2008, 01:25:22 pm
You're both right.

I just felt that the topic was an important one in video gaming.  And when I came here the thread title alone set the entire discussion in the wrong direction.  Instead of discussing that which N'Gai Croal, Adamd Sessler, and others have brought up regarding this game, some conjured opinion was argued against instead that no one could really argue against or want to.

The game isn't racist.

Sooooo... I thought I'd inject what was the issue at hand in to the thread-- actually, I made it into its own thread because I wanted the message to stand on its own and not be included with what I feel is a lot of mislead discussion.  I wanted to start it fresh here to see if I could get folk to understand what was wrong with this game and continue from there.

But.. it got mashed with the rest and I think my message will just get smushed with stuff I don't believe like the game being racist n' stuff.

I'm just sayin'.... shoot...
(http://forums.henshinjustice.com/images/smilies/supersayin.gif)
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 controversy
Post by: Hizzah on April 21, 2008, 02:31:43 pm
You know what? I kind of see where J-Caizer is coming from...at least from the point of view of why people might be upset by RE5. I appreciate the fact that you don't think the game is any more racist than RE4, where Leon was killing the Spaniard zombies. And I get what you're saying about context; the kind of violence you see in the game more closely resembles what's going on in Africa today as opposed to what's up in Eastern Europe, so I can see where more people might get a little upset. So people are offended by that, and yeah they're certainly valid feelings to have. I respect that and so should other people...you're right.

But hey, freedom of speech. Personally I'm offended by torture porn movies like Hostel and Saw...I think they're awful. But I'm not on IMDB ranting and raving and calling people primitive, barbarian dumbasses...

And as for the GS boards...Pat's right, we're a bunch of flaming idiots just like anybody else. But also, look at the first post in this thread. Somebody posted a link to an African-American blogger who was pissed about RE5 being racist. Hence the name of the thread and the comments people were leaving discussing why RE5 wasn't racist. Seriously, just examine the context of our statements. They might not be so ridiculous.

And back to the game...Capcom has released like one or two trailers showing like 15 seconds of gameplay. Nobody has ANY idea what the game is really about or why the natives are attacking the protagonist en masse. If you played the fourth one and watched the ending cut scenes, then you're probably thinking it has something to do with the parasite that made everybody crazy in that game. Or maybe it's something entirely different. Either way, you can rest assured there's something wrong with these people and that Capcom won't have you killing normal, regular African natives. It'll be chock full of the same scifi and fantasy themes that were in the other ones.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 controversy
Post by: J-Caizer on April 21, 2008, 03:02:21 pm
Oooohhhh.... yeah, see again, this is why I wanted my thread seperate from this one.  I guess I was reading the latest posts and just got kinda angry at people saying the reason people were upset about this game was that they thought it was racist.

I figured this was rekindled as a result of N'Gai Croal and Adam Sessler who said nothing of the sort.

I don't agree with that first blogger, but I it is important to note that the blogger's reaction isn't coming out of nowhere.

And I apologize for insulting the GS forum.  I just... yeah, expected the gaming elite and most intelligent of the intelligent who would already be articulating my points better than I ever could.  Instead... yeah... not so much.

It was kinda my fault for not seeing the first post in this thread, but I also again made another seperate thread to make sure what I had didn't have anything to do with "racist" talk.

I love RE games and hate that I'll probably be sitting this one out if the trailer is an indication of the final game.  If it's not, then all the better.  But as it stands yeah... this game so far.... whoo....  very uncool on Capcom's part.

As for torture porn, I'm in the same boat.  Think it's pretty bad stuff.  But my point is that if you or others say you're offended by it... I'm not going to step back and say it's not coming from anywhere.  And I'm not saying Capcom shouldn't make th--  wait, I am saying they shouldn't make this game.  The offensive portrayal after all the good and fun they've done in the past... it just doesn't need to be and I hope they don't or at least call in somebody to not paint it over with pretty colors, but sits down the development team, lets them know what their imagery evokes in people and....just figure out a better way to tell a RE story told in Africa.

Punching and shooting starving Africans just doesn't strike me as the fun I usually get with Capcom games.

It's just...... horribly uncomfortable.

Thanks for the reply and also thanks to the PM's I received from folk and keep on rockin'.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 controversy
Post by: smurfslayer on April 21, 2008, 03:17:32 pm
I think this is all a bit preemptive. I mean, we've seen very little footage of the game and we really don't know what the story is about. I really doubt that the Africans in the videos are just regular Africans. The Spaniards in RE4 appeared to be normal but were actually mind controlled by parasites, how do we know the same doesn't hold true here? I would be extremely surprised if the people you are killing aren't in some way not in control of their actions.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 controversy
Post by: Ultramarine on April 21, 2008, 03:27:08 pm
Actually since the not-zombies in the vid have more maneuverability and speed it's not eh t-virus for sure.
But it's tied in with the las plagas parasite.

Just to clarify.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 controversy
Post by: Krakow Sam on April 21, 2008, 04:25:49 pm
You know what? I kind of see where J-Caizer is coming from...at least from the point of view of why people might be upset by RE5. I appreciate the fact that you don't think the game is any more racist than RE4, where Leon was killing the Spaniard zombies. And I get what you're saying about context; the kind of violence you see in the game more closely resembles what's going on in Africa today as opposed to what's up in Eastern Europe, so I can see where more people might get a little upset. So people are offended by that, and yeah they're certainly valid feelings to have. I respect that and so should other people...you're right.

I don't have any more to add on the topic of racism.
I'd just like to point out that Spain is about as far west in europe as you can get without being in either portugal or iceland  :P
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 controversy
Post by: Hizzah on April 21, 2008, 05:33:29 pm
Is the game officially set in Spain? Yeah der...I can't believe myself. It's just the setting more resembled like a Romania or Ukraine or something...but the principle is the same, I do believe.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 controversy
Post by: smurfslayer on April 21, 2008, 05:38:37 pm
Is the game officially set in Spain? Yeah der...I can't believe myself. It's just the setting more resembled like a Romania or Ukraine or something...but the principle is the same, I do believe.
I don't think it was ever actually stated in the game but considering that the villagers were all speaking Spanish.....
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 controversy
Post by: Snake Plissken on July 28, 2008, 07:30:34 am
Everything is going to be fine with this game. There will be no controversies at all. I discussed with a bunch of guys on http://biohaze.com/
Trust me, there won't be any racism, just like Yttrxium.
Tell me if I'm wrong about this. Just because you're black, doesn't mean you already know how to run from the cops. Yttrixium, you better watch American History X so you won't be a racist anymore.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 controversy
Post by: Ultramarine on July 28, 2008, 08:27:15 am
Is the game officially set in Spain? Yeah der...I can't believe myself. It's just the setting more resembled like a Romania or Ukraine or something...but the principle is the same, I do believe.
I don't think it was ever actually stated in the game but considering that the villagers were all speaking Spanish.....

The game location was somewhere in a secluded village in spain so that explains the language.

Everything is going to be fine with this game. There will be no controversies at all. I discussed with a bunch of guys on http://biohaze.com/
Trust me, there won't be any racism, just like Yttrxium.
Tell me if I'm wrong about this. Just because you're black, doesn't mean you already know how to run from the cops. Yttrixium, you better watch American History X so you won't be a racist anymore.

Wha?
If someone could elaborate.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 controversy
Post by: Snake Plissken on July 28, 2008, 09:17:31 am
Don't start with me buddy. You wouldn't want to piss me off since I came back now do ya?
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 controversy
Post by: LadyM on July 28, 2008, 02:13:02 pm
Don't start with me buddy. You wouldn't want to piss me off since I came back now do ya?
I think you better tone that down and be nice. You wouldn't want to piss me off on your first day back, now would you?
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 controversy
Post by: Snake Plissken on July 28, 2008, 02:17:34 pm
You might as well not say the words "you won't" at me. I get real ticked off out of it. Can anyone at least tell me if I'm wrong about this again?
"Tell me if I'm wrong about this. Just because you're black, doesn't mean you already know how to run from the cops."
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 controversy
Post by: LadyM on July 28, 2008, 02:21:39 pm
You might as well not say the words "you won't" at me. I get real ticked off out of it. Can anyone at least tell me if I'm wrong about this again?
"Tell me if I'm wrong about this. Just because you're black, doesn't mean you already know how to run from the cops."

I really don't care what ticks you off. As long as your on this forum, you will follow the rules and post respectfully. If you want to know about a game then stick to the contents of the post and don't make it personal.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 controversy
Post by: Snake Plissken on July 28, 2008, 02:24:59 pm
I am fine and sticking to the rule. You're already making us both off topic. Honestly you got to admit it.

Moving on, the release date for RE5 is in my sig, if you needed on the game that is.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 controversy
Post by: Gungnir on July 29, 2008, 05:28:54 am
What are you talking about? You discussed it on an RE5 fanboy site. Of course they're going to praise it and say it's not racist. Also, just saying you discussed it doesn't automatically make it so.


Anyway, there was an interview recently in which...I dunno, lead developer or something like that stated that he had no intention of the game being racist.


And it's in spain?

Huh. And I still thought it was Africa or Haiti or something like that...
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 controversy
Post by: Ultramarine on July 29, 2008, 08:25:57 am
Resident Evil 4 took place in Spain Gungnir.

RE:5 yes, takes place somewhere in Africa.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 controversy
Post by: Snake Plissken on July 29, 2008, 10:08:46 am
What are you talking about? You discussed it on an RE5 fanboy site. Of course they're going to praise it and say it's not racist. Also, just saying you discussed it doesn't automatically make it so.

Sure I checked it out on a "fanboy" website and evil unleashed as well(which also involves in other junk). Like I said, there won't be any racism nor controversies. Jack Thompson can't sue Capcom, and it sure won't happen because he is on permanent disbarment and a fine near 44 grand to the Florida Supreme Court
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 controversy
Post by: pitimor on August 15, 2008, 05:30:36 am
Geez, it really pisses me of. Like, take GTA:SA for example. You were playing as black man, killing mostly white and latino people, and no one said anything. Or one of characters in Crackdown is black, and you kill latino, russian and asian people as him. And now look at this...
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 controversy
Post by: Yannick on August 15, 2008, 12:15:52 pm
Racism can only be used by black people. The ancestral slavery sure did bite us in the ass there, huh?
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 controversy
Post by: Ultramarine on August 15, 2008, 12:53:31 pm
....comedian :D
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 controversy
Post by: Daxx on August 15, 2008, 01:55:08 pm
Well, if you look at the actual controversy it was not that it was whites killing blacks, but the imagery of the killing.

"The point isn't that you can't have black zombies. There was a lot of imagery in that trailer that dovetailed with classic racist imagery." - the Newsweek critic
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 controversy
Post by: Gunner on August 15, 2008, 02:12:36 pm
Well, if you look at the actual controversy it was not that it was whites killing blacks, but the imagery of the killing.

"The point isn't that you can't have black zombies. There was a lot of imagery in that trailer that dovetailed with classic racist imagery." - the Newsweek critic
...uh... they were weaker than the main character, or something? I didn't see anything racist, but that's just me.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 controversy
Post by: Plank of Wood on August 15, 2008, 02:53:23 pm
Well, if you look at the actual controversy it was not that it was whites killing blacks, but the imagery of the killing.

"The point isn't that you can't have black zombies. There was a lot of imagery in that trailer that dovetailed with classic racist imagery." - the Newsweek critic

But there was nary a fired chicken or afro in sight. ???
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 controversy
Post by: shock223 on August 17, 2008, 03:21:20 pm
Well, if you look at the actual controversy it was not that it was whites killing blacks, but the imagery of the killing.

"The point isn't that you can't have black zombies. There was a lot of imagery in that trailer that dovetailed with classic racist imagery." - the Newsweek critic

But there was nary a fired chicken or afro in sight. ???

your confusing american sterotype with the african sterotype.

 
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 controversy
Post by: Cow on August 17, 2008, 03:49:54 pm
Meh. The majority of people in Africa are black, so if there's a zombie outbreak there then most of the zombies will be, you guessed it, black. It's nothing to be riled up about, so I don't see why people in these civil rights groups are.

Well, if you look at the actual controversy it was not that it was whites killing blacks, but the imagery of the killing.

"The point isn't that you can't have black zombies. There was a lot of imagery in that trailer that dovetailed with classic racist imagery." - the Newsweek critic

But there was nary a fired chicken or afro in sight. ???

your confusing american sterotype with the african sterotype.

 

Stereotypes like what?
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 controversy
Post by: Ultramarine on August 17, 2008, 06:47:12 pm
For one, it's an African American Stereotype. Get it right people.
Second, if you were viewing a tv show based on America from another country the usual stereotype is that americans have shiny cars, are rich, and the majority being Caucasian.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 controversy
Post by: Yannick on August 18, 2008, 07:33:02 am
Not all Africans are American, as far as I know. It's a silly term.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 controversy
Post by: Daxx on August 18, 2008, 07:48:03 am
Oh man. I love Google.

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Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 controversy
Post by: /lurk on August 18, 2008, 09:41:32 am
For one, it's an African American Stereotype. Get it right people.
Second, if you were viewing a tv show based on America from another country the usual stereotype is that americans have shiny cars, are rich, and the majority being Caucasian.

Obese illiterate racist hicks

Rich, white, shiny cars. Got it.


I doubt that whining about the game is going to get it banned, so there isn't really much point. Out of curiosity, though, how does the ESRB usually handle racism in games?
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 controversy
Post by: Ultramarine on August 19, 2008, 12:57:50 pm
My guess.

Get some inside opinions and if it's voted to be a controversial game than it get's delayed and edited some how or the game doesn't come to market in places like the UK and the US. Manhunt almost got that treatment but I doubt people will see RE5 as a problem other than the tolerant ignorant extremists.

As long as the they don't use the 'N' word then I see no problem with this game.