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Will Wright's Spore => Spore: General => Topic started by: Thanatoz on August 02, 2007, 01:26:23 pm

Title: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Thanatoz on August 02, 2007, 01:26:23 pm
Okay, I'm not looking to start a flame-war here but I'd like to address an issue which is of concern to me and no doubt others.

First of all, I'd like to offer a shout-out to my fellow SPORE-freaks and forum veterans who have gathered here to exchange those tiny morsels of new and/or obscure SPORE-lore that sustain us. 

As we all know, SPORE info has been less plentiful than most of us would like (I cite the absent newsletter, static website etc.) and so it's been spontaneous grassroots efforts like this forum and the wiki that have provided the bulk of what most of us have sought.  If you've contributed in any way with an inside scoop, a helpful answer or some insightful speculation you have my thanks and the thanks of many others as well.

That said, as a forum noob I've found a few of the responses here to be pretty obnoxious.

Here's the thing: Yes, it would be wonderful if noobs like me didn't plunge in and start multiple threads about topics that have been asked before a zillion times.  Yes, it would be great if noobs like me actually read the forum posting rules and even gasp used the Search function to look up answers to questions that have already been asked.  It would be common courtesy to do so, wouldn't it?

But it's not going to happen.  Noobs like me (and like you, when you first joined this forum) are generally too excited and impatient and we want to plunge into the community and get answers now.  I agree that at best this kind of noobish behaviour is tiresome, at worst it's really obnoxious.  But it's also pretty human and I'm willing to bet we've all done it to one degree or another at some point.  Also, let's face it: most forum search functions -- including this one -- blow.  If you're looking for specific, up-to-date information, the search function is not your friend.

The point is this: We noobs are not going to stop coming.  Over the next eight months or so the trickle is going to become a flood.  The same questions over and over again are not going to stop.  If that annoys you no end, you'd best buckle up.

So if noobs like me exasperate you to the point where you feel it's necessary to post something along the lines of "Can we please not make a zillion threads about questions that have already been answered?" probably the best thing to do is to simply not respond at all.  Either someone with more patience than you is likely to post something of substance, or hopefully the deafening silence of zero responses will cause the chastised noob to pipe down and do their own research.

Thus, to the crusty veterans I say please ease up on the noob-hate.  We were all noobs once, and there's a lot more of us to come -- you guys just got on the bandwagon a little earlier than most of us.

Anyway... flame on if you wish: honestly, in the greater scheme of things it's not like there's much else to do here.
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Mae on August 02, 2007, 01:29:34 pm
Thats the most productive thing you've done so far.  ;D
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: rayofash on August 02, 2007, 01:42:32 pm
Thank you for stating the obvious.

Now please stop crowding the thread list.
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Mae on August 02, 2007, 01:47:43 pm
*High-Fives Rayofash*

We stopped this thread before it began! Woot!
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Thanatoz on August 02, 2007, 01:53:03 pm
Far from stopping this thread, you two basement virgins just proved my case. 

I feel vindicated.  Thank You.   :)

(How many more days until summer vacation is over?)


EDIT: Came up with a slightly more snappier comeback.  Too bad you can't do that in real life.
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: rayofash on August 02, 2007, 01:58:25 pm
Posted like true basement virgins.

(How many more days until summer vacation is over?)

I love you :D
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Mae on August 02, 2007, 02:00:43 pm
No one else does   ;D (Oh! Ouch! Scorch!)
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: gec05 on August 02, 2007, 02:00:59 pm
But most of us respected "crusty" veterans stay out of the Spore general forum or rarely make a comment. There's a fine line between veterans and noobs here. That being said, "veteran" members that still hang around here in this board for the most part or have yet to step outside into everything else are still noobs. :P
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Mae on August 02, 2007, 02:02:55 pm
True enough. But us "Spore Topic Newbs" are usually the closest things to vets around, because we joined around (or in my case) just before The Great Drought began.
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: SimEarth Freak on August 02, 2007, 02:04:14 pm
The irony here is that this topic was discussed at length in this thread:

http://www.gamingsteve.com/blab/index.php?topic=8753.0 (http://www.gamingsteve.com/blab/index.php?topic=8753.0)

The point is this: We noobs are not going to stop coming.  Over the next eight months or so the trickle is going to become a flood.  The same questions over and over again are not going to stop.  If that annoys you no end, you'd best buckle up.

Thanatoz has a valid point.  My suggestion is that the 'Spore: General' board be renamed to "Spore: Veterans", and a new Spore forum be created entitled "Spore: Newbie questions", with clear a description that says: "New to the forum? Ask your questions about Spore here."

This way, those experienced forum-goers can hang around the Veterans board, those who want to ignore newbies don't have to go to the newbie board, and those of us (like Thanatoz) who want to help out the newbies can do so.

If it's technically possible, Steve could even fix it so you have to have, say, 10 posts on the newbie board before you can post on the Veterans boards.

I think this may be the solution to everyone's problem.  8)
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: rayofash on August 02, 2007, 02:04:38 pm
But most of us respected "crusty" veterans stay out of the Spore general forum or rarely make a comment. There's a fine line between veterans and noobs here. That being said, "veteran" members that still hang around here in this board for the most part or have yet to step outside into everything else are still noobs. :P

Exactly. Us 'veterans' are only 'veterans' because we post responsibly and use the forum features such as search to find answers to our questions or ask our question in an existing thread instead of posting new threads.

It's ALWAYS better to post in an existing thread then to start a new one.

Mostly I lurk, because there's really nothing here on the forums Spore related that I don't already know about.

Also, we have a sticky that answers most peoples questions at the very top of the the thread list.
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: gec05 on August 02, 2007, 02:05:47 pm
Well I think it's up to you Spore veterans to build a common code of ethics within this board. Us real veterans should have no part in this, but we would advise using the same principles as stated in the general forum rules.
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Mae on August 02, 2007, 02:06:49 pm
Ray of Ash? your a veteran? Didn't you join like a week ago?

The irony here is that this topic was discussed at length in this thread:

http://www.gamingsteve.com/blab/index.php?topic=8753.0 (http://www.gamingsteve.com/blab/index.php?topic=8753.0)

The point is this: We noobs are not going to stop coming.  Over the next eight months or so the trickle is going to become a flood.  The same questions over and over again are not going to stop.  If that annoys you no end, you'd best buckle up.

Thanatoz has a valid point.  My suggestion is that the 'Spore: General' board be renamed to "Spore: Veterans", and a new Spore forum be created entitled "Spore: Newbie questions", with clear a description that says: "New to the forum? Ask your questions about Spore here."

This way, those experienced forum-goers can hang around the Veterans board, those who want to ignore newbies don't have to go to the newbie board, and those of us (like Thanatoz) who want to help out the newbies can do so.

If it's technically possible, Steve could even fix it so you have to have, say, 10 posts on the newbie board before you can post on the Veterans boards.

I think this may be the solution to everyone's problem.  8)

This would be good, but the Newb Questions board would always be more exciting, because everyone else ran out of viable topics in the vet boards.

EDIT: Eligecos, I agree with your stance. Also, I shall gladly take up the title of Warden of the Spore board, and set up a rules topic, which I will then try to sticky.
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: rayofash on August 02, 2007, 02:07:10 pm
Check my join date.

I was here before either of you.
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Gungnir on August 02, 2007, 02:08:33 pm
This thread makes me laugh....

However, I say that there should just be a new section called "New information"

No question topics, and you have to have so and so number of posts in spore:general to post there.
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Mr. Consideration on August 02, 2007, 02:09:32 pm
Most true GamingSteve veterans rarely set foot in the Spore; General forums for several reasons.

1) Talking about exactly the same thing over and over gets somewhat boring.
2) There is no new information. See 1)
3) It brings you into contact with people with the grammatical skills of a retarded mongoose.
4) Talking about Spore deepends Spore Yearning.
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Mae on August 02, 2007, 02:10:38 pm
Really RayofAsh? Sorry. But you don't post much, so I didn't know. Sorry for my lack of investigation.
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: rayofash on August 02, 2007, 02:11:03 pm
Most true GamingSteve veterans rarely set foot in the Spore; General forums for several reasons.

1) Talking about exactly the same thing over and over gets somewhat boring.
2) There is no new information. See 1)
3) It brings you into contact with people with the grammatical skills of a retarded mongoose.
4) Talking about Spore deepends Spore Yearning.


This is exactly why I have so few posts.
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Darth Grievi on August 02, 2007, 02:12:38 pm
On the subject of new boards;

I say we should have a "News" board and a "Questions" board. That way, all the newbies with questions can post in the "Questions" board, and all the events and demo videos go in the "News" board, because there isn't much more on Spore nowadays.

After Spore is released, the Questions board becomes Questions and Help, for all of us who can't figure out how to move, and News becomes News and discussion.


Warning - while you were typing 4 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post.  

Uuuhhhhh... dangit!
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Thanatoz on August 02, 2007, 02:13:18 pm
Really RayofAsh? Sorry. But you don't post much, so I didn't know. Sorry for my lack of investigation.

May I suggest using the search function next time?   ;)
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: rayofash on August 02, 2007, 02:14:00 pm
On the subject of new boards;

I say we should have a "News" board and a "Questions" board. That way, all the newbies with questions can post in the "Questions" board, and all the events and demo videos go in the "News" board, because there isn't much more on Spore nowadays.

After Spore is released, the Questions board becomes Questions and Help, for all of us who can't figure out how to move, and News becomes News and discussion.


Warning - while you were typing 4 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post.  

Uuuhhhhh... dangit!

You can disable that in your profile. I just did.

Really RayofAsh? Sorry. But you don't post much, so I didn't know. Sorry for my lack of investigation.

May I suggest using the search function next time?   ;)

Actually all you have to do is click the users screen name and it will take you to their profile.
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: gec05 on August 02, 2007, 02:14:27 pm
Really RayofAsh? Sorry. But you don't post much, so I didn't know. Sorry for my lack of investigation.

May I suggest using the search function next time?   ;)

That would be the profile icon, not the search button.

Whoever told you that the search fuction answers everything was horribly wrong. Possibly by another forum noob.
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Thanatoz on August 02, 2007, 02:15:53 pm

...That way, all the newbies with questions can post in the "Questions" board...


 And you can call it "The Tidal Pool".


(Okay... you guys are fun!)

(Actually, I take that back.)
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: rayofash on August 02, 2007, 02:16:14 pm
Really RayofAsh? Sorry. But you don't post much, so I didn't know. Sorry for my lack of investigation.

May I suggest using the search function next time?   ;)

That would be the profile icon, not the search button.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v317/RayOfAsh/highfive.jpg)
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Kcronos on August 02, 2007, 02:18:13 pm
I've never seen you post before though.  Did you change our sprite?
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: gec05 on August 02, 2007, 02:18:33 pm
Really RayofAsh? Sorry. But you don't post much, so I didn't know. Sorry for my lack of investigation.

May I suggest using the search function next time?   ;)

That would be the profile icon, not the search button.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v317/RayOfAsh/highfive.jpg)

You should hang out with us more often. :)
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Plank of Wood on August 02, 2007, 02:21:34 pm
Really RayofAsh? Sorry. But you don't post much, so I didn't know. Sorry for my lack of investigation.

May I suggest using the search function next time?   ;)

That would be the profile icon, not the search button.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v317/RayOfAsh/highfive.jpg)

You should hang out with us more often. :)


Rayofrash posted? Why didn't you tell me!!!!


AND we're bashing noobs! You guys suck at spreading news...
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: rayofash on August 02, 2007, 02:23:53 pm
Do I know you Plank?
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Plank of Wood on August 02, 2007, 02:25:50 pm
No, unless I met you in a place in London called "The Hat Shop" which is actualy a pizzeria and a cafe, which if we did, then yes, I have met you.
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: PikMini on August 02, 2007, 02:37:48 pm
NOOBS UNITE TO BRING DOWN THE VETERANS, YHARG!
Just Kidding.
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Plank of Wood on August 02, 2007, 02:39:39 pm
Pik, your not a noob, you spend more time in the creation corner than general, so that prevents noobishness.
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: gec05 on August 02, 2007, 02:41:49 pm
Have you seen his posts outside of the creation corner? Or at least outside of his creations?
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: scorpia11 on August 02, 2007, 02:45:45 pm
I dont think i am a noob, or a veteran. Im like in limbo between the two. I post here, but not that often for the reasons that Mr. Consideration pointed out. I spend a lot of time now in Spore Roleplaying, Everything else, Pc games and moves section. I go into Creature Corner a lot due to my creature (obviously), so i dont class myself as a Noob.

 :)

I am...the Limbo-man!

PS. I came here just for spore, but now...i've grown up to se the whole board!
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Darth Grievi on August 02, 2007, 02:54:15 pm
I got out all my noobishness two years ago on a (now gone) modding board for JP: Operation Genesis. Oh... they hated me there. So I changed my name and signed up at Star Wars.com, never to return. ;)

EDIT: And that (http://www.gamingsteve.com/blab/index.php?topic=10097.0) is how you properly handle a newbie.
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: gec05 on August 02, 2007, 03:13:07 pm
I was going to say. Yeah, good job there guys. ;)
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Markonite2 on August 02, 2007, 03:15:05 pm
Lol! OMG! HAhaha! I just got on!

The funny thing is if you would have "search functioned" you would have realized that this kind of post has been done/made/attempted before! Lol! This really is spam now. Can someone lock his account?

EDIT:

Nvm.... I just was so excited at a change to flash fire someone that I only read the first few posts...
Just try to not make anymore topics for a while...
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Daxx on August 02, 2007, 03:49:40 pm
Congratulations, Thanatoz. You decided to rail against "the man", decrying the forum and posting a thread because you don't like having to abide by convention. Unfortunately, like all teenage rebels, what you ironically didn't realise (because you didn't bother to check) is that this has been done before.

Either you were trying to stir up the hornets (at which you failed, because we've seen this before) or you were trying to rebel against the system (for which we don't respect you). Either way, nice work. ::)

Telling us to "buckle up" doesn't help. Telling us you know that you're being obnoxious and then telling us to deal with it doesn't help. Telling us that you don't want to do something doesn't make you any less rude and doesn't mean that we should change just to accommodate further rudeness.

I have a suggestion: don't post here again until you've grown up a little.

In before this gets merged with one of the previous threads.
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: gec05 on August 02, 2007, 04:03:28 pm
And I don't think "the man" has oppressed any of the noobs here. That's an personal issue that should be dealt with the person who offended you Thanatoz. The veterans as a whole are innocent of such accusations, it is you who has started it.
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Cow on August 02, 2007, 04:12:20 pm
I'm tired if the split between noob and vet! We need a new caste! I suggest "Middlings" or "Not quite a noob, but not a vet yet."
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: a14gt on August 02, 2007, 04:25:27 pm
yes with that i agree.
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Thanatoz on August 02, 2007, 04:28:24 pm
Congratulations, Thanatoz. You decided to rail against "the man", decrying the forum and posting a thread because you don't like having to abide by convention. Unfortunately, like all teenage rebels, what you ironically didn't realise (because you didn't bother to check) is that this has been done before.

Either you were trying to stir up the hornets (at which you failed, because we've seen this before) or you were trying to rebel against the system (for which we don't respect you). Either way, nice work. ::)

Telling us to "buckle up" doesn't help. Telling us you know that you're being obnoxious and then telling us to deal with it doesn't help. Telling us that you don't want to do something doesn't make you any less rude and doesn't mean that we should change just to accommodate further rudeness.

I have a suggestion: don't post here again until you've grown up a little.

In before this gets merged with one of the previous threads.

There's no "the man" or "the system" here as far as I can see -- just a regular group of diverse individuals, a few of who decided to roll their eyes at gasp yet another noob offending the sanctity of the holy SPORE forum by posting a noobish question(s).

So... I'm sorry, is this a public forum for the free exchange of information regarding a game we're all interested in playing some day or a private lounge for the "LOL Noob, I Heard About SPORE Way Before You Did" gentlemen's club?  ::)

(Starting to be really glad SPORE isn't an MMO)

Anyway... whatev.  Sheesh.  ::)
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Ittiz on August 02, 2007, 04:34:22 pm
Okay, I'm not looking to start a flame-war here but I'd like to address an issue which is of concern to me and no doubt others.

First of all, I'd like to offer a shout-out to my fellow SPORE-freaks and forum veterans who have gathered here to exchange those tiny morsels of new and/or obscure SPORE-lore that sustain us. 

As we all know, SPORE info has been less plentiful than most of us would like (I cite the absent newsletter, static website etc.) and so it's been spontaneous grassroots efforts like this forum and the wiki that have provided the bulk of what most of us have sought.  If you've contributed in any way with an inside scoop, a helpful answer or some insightful speculation you have my thanks and the thanks of many others as well.

That said, as a forum noob I've found a few of the responses here to be pretty obnoxious.

Here's the thing: Yes, it would be wonderful if noobs like me didn't plunge in and start multiple threads about topics that have been asked before a zillion times.  Yes, it would be great if noobs like me actually read the forum posting rules and even gasp used the Search function to look up answers to questions that have already been asked.  It would be common courtesy to do so, wouldn't it?

But it's not going to happen.  Noobs like me (and like you, when you first joined this forum) are generally too excited and impatient and we want to plunge into the community and get answers now.  I agree that at best this kind of noobish behaviour is tiresome, at worst it's really obnoxious.  But it's also pretty human and I'm willing to bet we've all done it to one degree or another at some point.  Also, let's face it: most forum search functions -- including this one -- blow.  If you're looking for specific, up-to-date information, the search function is not your friend.

The point is this: We noobs are not going to stop coming.  Over the next eight months or so the trickle is going to become a flood.  The same questions over and over again are not going to stop.  If that annoys you no end, you'd best buckle up.

So if noobs like me exasperate you to the point where you feel it's necessary to post something along the lines of "Can we please not make a zillion threads about questions that have already been answered?" probably the best thing to do is to simply not respond at all.  Either someone with more patience than you is likely to post something of substance, or hopefully the deafening silence of zero responses will cause the chastised noob to pipe down and do their own research.

Thus, to the crusty veterans I say please ease up on the noob-hate.  We were all noobs once, and there's a lot more of us to come -- you guys just got on the bandwagon a little earlier than most of us.

Anyway... flame on if you wish: honestly, in the greater scheme of things it's not like there's much else to do here.

You wouldn't happen to be the Thanatos from Endless Ages would you?
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Little on August 02, 2007, 04:36:55 pm
I dont think i am a noob, or a veteran. Im like in limbo between the two. I post here, but not that often for the reasons that Mr. Consideration pointed out. I spend a lot of time now in Spore Roleplaying, Everything else, Pc games and moves section. I go into Creature Corner a lot due to my creature (obviously), so i dont class myself as a Noob.

 :)

I am...the Limbo-man!

PS. I came here just for spore, but now...i've grown up to se the whole board!

Your still a noob. I think it's another 800 or so posts before you grow out. I just got out myself..... :(
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Thanatoz on August 02, 2007, 04:40:59 pm
You wouldn't happen to be the Thanatos from Endless Ages would you?

Nope.  But "Thanatos" and all it's various derivations are pretty common gamer handles.  There's a lot of us.
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Evildude on August 02, 2007, 04:57:13 pm
So...just 'cause you can't be bothered to use the search button, we should post the same thing over and over again in every topic that gets posted?

K. Will do.
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Daxx on August 02, 2007, 05:32:48 pm
There's no "the man" or "the system" here as far as I can see -- just a regular group of diverse individuals, a few of who decided to roll their eyes at gasp yet another noob offending the santictity of the holy SPORE forum by posting a noobish question(s).

So if "the man" isn't there, then why feel the need to rebel? You're quick to place the blame on the community, but it's you that's in the wrong.

A large part of maturity is learning to deal with the way communities work and to respect their conventions when joining them. I think it's been said before, but I'll make it clear - this forum works on the principle that you should discuss things in threads dedicated to them. Where a thread already exists, you are encouraged to read previous responses to find answers to your questions and if you have anything significant to add, to post in those threads so that useful contributions and clarifications past are not lost.

Now, if adhering to that is too hard for you, perhaps you should ask yourself - why do you feel the need to join this community? If you don't know the conventions and have no desire to learn them, why do you expect others to respect you? More pressingly, why do you expect us to change on your say-so?

Now, since this discussion is largely pointless, I won't be continuing it. But be sure to bear in mind what I have said, especially if you intend to stay here.
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: PatMan33 on August 02, 2007, 05:35:55 pm
What's going on over here?

Play nice please. :)


Hi I'm Pat, I come from the outside. Before you go and respond, Thanatoz, hear me out. If you respond you know that you are not going to get anywhere. You want the secret?

The secret is simple, don't feel obligated to defend yourself. Maybe you are right, maybe you are not. Whatever you may be, in the end, if you do decide to continue arguing, you will ultimately lose face and come out no better than you did before.

Pick your battles, unless you can assure yourself that you have a lot to gain and that it is worth your while, do not argue. Just ignore it.
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Kcronos on August 02, 2007, 07:34:14 pm
I'm tired if the split between noob and vet! We need a new caste! I suggest "Middlings" or "Not quite a noob, but not a vet yet."


File all complaints to the Master of Internet Culture, at give_me_your_email_adress@not.
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Hydromancerx on August 02, 2007, 11:18:18 pm
But most of us respected "crusty" veterans stay out of the Spore general forum or rarely make a comment. There's a fine line between veterans and noobs here. That being said, "veteran" members that still hang around here in this board for the most part or have yet to step outside into everything else are still noobs. :P

That's true.
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: ChristianSkunk on August 02, 2007, 11:28:52 pm
I just wanted to say a couple things.

1)
High school students are going to keep getting pregnant.  Should we give up fighting this and just let it happen?  Pedophiles will molest children.  Should we just let them do as they please?  Dramatic examples, maybe, and I'm sure the cynical would probably say Yes or just to be difficult, but just because something keeps happening is no reason to try and stop it.  You may be surprised.  Something may work.

2)
The following is not an attack, I'm not suggesting anything, just stating some facts about myself.  I've been a member for over a year now.  I've had one new thread and one new poll.  Both of these were made long after I joined, and I was lurking even longer before that.  I think I only signed up to answer a question I happened to know the answer to.  I was just as excited as anyone else when I found out what Spore was about.  Perhaps I just didn't have anything to add?  Well, look at the common response to newbie posts and tell me what was added.

That's all I'll say.  Maybe I just don't understand since I didn't go through the usual newbie phase...  But I often see 40-60 guests signed on along with only 5 or 6 members.  They apparently didn't feel the need to sign up to ask questions as soon as they got here.  I'd be interested to hear the whys and whatfors, except that'd require them to sign up and lose their lurker status.

Edit:  Just amused suddenly by the idea of the fine line between veterans and noobs...  How do you tell the difference between veterans and noobs?  Veterans are screaming and noobs are what they're screaming at.

Edit2:  Noticed they're called Guests, not Visitors. ;D
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Plank of Wood on August 03, 2007, 02:31:31 am
I just realised, this is the internet, you can't have freedom of speech here!
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: blitzonator on August 03, 2007, 03:37:14 am
As long as the goverment still works...

Fight the power! (http://irrepressible.info/)
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: LadyM on August 03, 2007, 06:13:28 am
Welcome to the forum Thanatoz.  :)

In my own opinion I think the older members here get too harsh at times to the new people. I think its great to have an influx of new members, it keeps things fresh as older members drift away. It brings new thoughts and ideas. I've asked before that our more experienced members be kind to the new ones and help them find the answers to what they need in a nice way. Unfortunately that doesn't always happen but that is the way Steve would like the forum to work. All of us were new once. Even though I joined on Day 3 and I'm probably the most active original member, I remember being new and was reluctant to post but I jumped right in and everyone was so nice back then.

I hope you continue to post and check out the other forums, they are alot of fun too.

Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Cow on August 03, 2007, 08:12:12 am
I just realised, this is the internet, you can't have freedom of speech here!

I'm rusty on my amendments, but it's freedom of press, technically.
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Markonite2 on August 03, 2007, 08:23:36 am
Oh yeah and here is a post just like this one that Thanatos might want to review. It was posted by a newb who didn't like how the system worked here, and he pretty much was ejected from the site.

Just for your research:

http://www.gamingsteve.com/blab/index.php?topic=8995.0
WHAT THE NECRO?(RANT)

Lol. Looking back that guy really seems pathetic. I don't know how people justify making these topics. They are rebeling against the forum by using it's own tools. That is just confusing. It'd be different if they PMed us or something, but to use the forum to complain about the forum is just confusing...
Anyhoo... enjoy the other thread thanatos.
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Cow on August 03, 2007, 08:28:07 am
I remember that guy. He was a douche. Period.
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Markonite2 on August 03, 2007, 09:27:14 am
I remember that guy. He was a douche. Period.

At least Thanatos has one ally on the war against Gaming Steve and it's community.
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Uroboros on August 03, 2007, 10:00:29 am
The thing is, if nobody gets grumpy with a noob, they'll never learn. In the same way that if nobody pokes a veteran in the ribs they'll never chill either.

However there is a difference between a "newb" and a "noob". The general accepted terms are that newbs are simply new to something, and still learning (and entitled to make mistakes without being totally strangled), but a noob is someone who either refused to listen/learn, or continues to act like a newb after they have become informed. Deliberately acting like an ass is generally considered noob behaviour, too (FPS gaming tourettes :P). This would put you in the newb category, and a fair number of the regulars who are lovingly mauling you over a still valid subject as noob-like.

A simple "Please use the search button" along with a link to the relevant thread normally works, and to be honest, with the ceaseless watch some members have for threads that should be merged, it really wouldnt hurt for a repeat-topic provided the discussion was good. Some newb threads can stir the wasps nest, though. Such as people falsely claiming to have 'confirmation' on something, then using the gaming equivilent of a blurry UFO spotters picture as 'evidence', though its not like only the newbs do that, is it? This subforum is a bit xenophobic because of having discussed everything to death and back, but I have to agree that its pointless to get obnoxious over most of the things that they do. Hey, i've done it myself a few times, but it seems this subforum has just turned into a de-stressing punching bag. Sometimes the prods are necessary to make newcomers shape up, but people get too bent out of shape around here. Trouble is, they have the numbers and more than enough burning torches and pitchforks, so you'll need more than just being right to change anything. The rest of the GamingSteve subforums regard Spore:General as the arse-end of the site, because of this ongoing bad attitude and influx of other (geniune) noobs, so at least you arent alone in what you think.

If the regulars refuse to play nice because they're too accustomed to an entertaining little witch burning session, why would anyone expect the newcomers to behave any better? Its not as if any threads around here have any real significant info or discussion any more. In before members demand every thread gets merged into one. :P

So...just 'cause you can't be bothered to use the search button, we should post the same thing over and over again in every topic that gets posted?
No, the old timers should gauge their levels of piss and vinegar depending on the level of offense is all.

Quote from: markonite2
The funny thing is if you would have "search functioned" you would have realized that this kind of post has been done/made/attempted before! Lol! This really is spam now. Can someone lock his account?
And it will keep on being done/made/attempted so long as the attitude around here stays as it is. If "this is how Spore:General works, get used to it" is a valid response, it also encompasses the objections to the attitudes too. As for locking his account? Haha, oh wow. Circlejerk, its good for what ails you.

As for the childish/insufferable responses to all this? Way to prove his point.
*high-fives himself* pwnd1zz13d h34d5h07!1 girlpower eee-hee shamone-ah!
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Markonite2 on August 03, 2007, 10:13:08 am
And it will keep on being done/made/attempted so long as the attitude around here stays as it is. If "this is how Spore:General works, get used to it" is a valid response, it also encompasses the objections to the attitudes too. As for locking his account? Haha, oh wow. Circlejerk, its good for what ails you.

As for the childish/insufferable responses to all this? Way to prove his point.
*high-fives himself* pwnd1zz13d h34d5h07!1 girlpower eee-hee shamone-ah!

Slightly incorrect. Yeah, I was being a jerk, (and was only joking btw) but you guys dealt with this last time and we can deal with it again in the same way. It only happened a few times in the history of this sub-section, so it's not like we need to bend to the need's of the noobs and become a big friendly cushion for insubordination. (spelling?)

EDIT:
And btw I really don't enjoy how long this discussion is lasting. I'll bet Thanatos feels really proud of himself watching us debate over his point.
*Smiles at Thanatos*
Not to be crushingly closeminded but we should lock this or burry it or something...
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Cow on August 03, 2007, 10:14:17 am
That was wierd.
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Markonite2 on August 03, 2007, 10:20:27 am
Sorry.  :(

EDIT: Darnit! I made a new page!  >:(
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Lualmoba on August 03, 2007, 01:55:31 pm
I think there has been more discussion about this topic than there has been unnecessarily angry responses from the veteran members. It seems to me that, for the most part, all the angry responses have gone to people who have posted threads that truly were useless, and that didn't seem to care about it. Most of the older members don't even bother to come around here, so I don't see why there are people saying that some people use this section solely to scold noobs.

Personally, I always try to understand when some people make a repeat thread, and try to tell them nicely.


Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Thanatoz on August 03, 2007, 02:40:19 pm
Surprisingly, I've received quite a few PM's from some of the kinder/wiser forum members.

The content of their messages is basically along the lines of "You've made a good point, even if some people don't want to acknowledge it." and "Don't sweat it, they're not that bad when the get to know you and you them."

I appreciate the gesture of these messages and those who have taken the time to write them are a credit to this forum.

I came here to get the latest, unpublished info about SPORE's development and that's about it.  Looking around this forum I see there's actually very little new information that cannot be found elsewhere.  While I'm as capable as the next guy of indulging in (and enjoying) idle speculation about each and any particular facet of what will most likely be a revolutionary and very enjoyable game, it's not really what I was looking for.

So is it worth it to me to hang around, hoping to ingratiate myself to my detractors so I too can join the clique, sit in my virtual lawn chair and sleeping bag and camp outside EA/MAxis for the next year or so?  No.

I figure everything I really need to know about SPORE will be in the user manual.

Thanks and enjoy your forum.
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Gungnir on August 03, 2007, 02:41:11 pm
I dont think i am a noob, or a veteran. Im like in limbo between the two.
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You are...a middlebie!

Newbie-middlebie-oldbie!

I think...
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: rayofash on August 03, 2007, 02:47:30 pm
Surprisingly, I've received quite a few PM's from some of the kinder/wiser forum members.

The content of their messages is basically along the lines of "You've made a good point, even if some people don't want to acknowledge it" and "Don't sweat it, they're not that back when the get to know you and you them."

I appreciate the gesture of these messages and those who have taken the time to write them are a credit to this forum.

I came here to get the latest, unpublished info about SPORE's development and that's about it.  While I'm as capable as the next guy of indulging in and enjoying idle speculation about each and any particular facet of what will most likely be a revolutionary and very enjoyable game, looking around this forum I see there's actually very little new information.

So is it worth it to me to hang around hoping to ingratiate myself to my detractors so I too can join the clique, sit in my virtual lawn chair and sleeping bag and camp outside EA/MAxis for the next year or so?  No.

I figure everything I really need to know about SPORE will be in the user manual.

Enjoy your forum.

You're making quite a fuss for just refusing to use the search function or posting questions in existing threads. People like you never change and all you'll do is bother us anyways.

Good riddance.
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: scorpia11 on August 03, 2007, 03:14:52 pm
I dont think i am a noob, or a veteran. Im like in limbo between the two.
[/quote

You are...a middlebie!

Newbie-middlebie-oldbie!

I think...

Hehe...I love the veterans. I find you lot point me in the right direction...at least i hope its right..I think it was a good idea to call the Admin a F******.... ;D Joking!!!
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Cow on August 03, 2007, 03:53:28 pm
I came here to get the latest, unpublished info about SPORE's development and that's about it.  Looking around this forum I see there's actually very little new information that cannot be found elsewhere.  While I'm as capable as the next guy of indulging in (and enjoying) idle speculation about each and any particular facet of what will most likely be a revolutionary and very enjoyable game, it's not really what I was looking for.

Well, if you didn't come here knowing that there was very little new info, then of course you'd be dissapointed. This section of the fourms is all about the collecting and sharing the few bits of Spore we know of.
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Mae on August 03, 2007, 04:40:57 pm
I think we should sticky this as a warning to n00bs everywhere, so if they come in and miss the search button, they'll know what happens to them.
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Uroboros on August 03, 2007, 05:00:48 pm
This isnt about the search button, this is about people finding the latest punching bag and people slipping in every barely disguised provocation they can into their posts. After this kind of reception, i'd expect him to be on a strong defensive, but of course you'll totally blank that little factlet and hold him to his every word as some kind of proof of his character and why he 'deserves' to recieve just a few more teeny tiny pokes, whilst everyone else runs ongoing patronising, aggravating remarks, and that of course will be totally disregarded as 'character matter' and totally invalid as an excuse to be annoyed at you all in return. If you gather into a crowd and have a stomp-dance on someones toes, dont ****ing whine when they get pissed off and have something to say about it.

Yeah, newbs can be annoying, but a group of regulars running a slow-troll on someone, in a subforum they claim they rarely visit or post in anymore anyway, over nothing? Thats is just transparently jerkish. If people want this thread to sink, they just have to lay off on baiting him and acting like noobs, but it seems people are having too much fun slipping an extra nark in every time there is an opening.

Quote from: Uroboros
Circlejerk, its good for what ails you.
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Cow on August 03, 2007, 05:10:01 pm
Yep. That's the way thing go around here.
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Luminar on August 03, 2007, 05:42:01 pm
And why should it be that way? Far less fustration for all to simply not cause a huge drama.
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: rayofash on August 03, 2007, 05:50:23 pm
I've seen people come in, make mistakes, and then quickly apologise for them and correct them. He's come in and made mistakes, and is now acting like a jerk about it. He didn't have to be defensive at all.

Think about it, what if he had apologised instead of attacking us? Would we be doing this now? If this thread were a 'I'm sorry, I'll try not to do it again.' instead of saying 'Go away!' I would be saying 'It's okay, I used to do it all the time.'
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Mae on August 03, 2007, 05:56:29 pm
I've seen people come in, make mistakes, and then quickly apologise for them and correct them. He's come in and made mistakes, and is now acting like a jerk about it. He didn't have to be defensive at all.

Think about it, what if he had apologised instead of attacking us? Would we be doing this now? If this thread were a 'I'm sorry, I'll try not to do it again.' instead of saying 'Go away!' I would be saying 'It's okay, I used to do it all the time.'

In fact, according to some people, I do it all the time, without knowing it. Just, I don't think I would want to mediate with an *******, anyway.
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Serak on August 03, 2007, 06:10:03 pm
How is any of this relevant? People will be how they are, simple as that. Making posts about how it needs to change won't do any good. Short of banning their account they will do as they please, and people will respond as they please.

Change can happen but cannot be forced, so let it run it's course.
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Uroboros on August 03, 2007, 06:11:04 pm
He's come in and made mistakes, and is now acting like a jerk about it. He didn't have to be defensive at all.
Just like nobody had to take most opportunities to provoke him further when he was already obviously annoyed. I didnt see any of you apologising to him for being too harsh, and nobody had to be aggressive either. If you really wanted this diffusing, you'd use reason rather than backhands. But its fun to pretend our **** doesnt stink, right? After all, we're regulars, so we're automatically exempt from any kind of responsibility from our deliberately malworded 'good intent', but newbies are held accountable for every opening they leave, even the ones we coax out of them by wearing them down!

One of the best ways to troll someone. Be obnoxious, but treat them like the villain after they respond angrily. While I wouldnt say people were deliberately trying to troll, everyone got too engaged in having their fun. If regulars behave like this, why exactly do we expect newbies to behave better AND in accordance with rules pretty much only enforced by ourselves? Disregarding our own shortcomings is a convenience regulars shouldnt have, especially if we blow comparitavely minor stuff THIS far out of proportion.

Then again, what the hell am -I- going on about? Thinking about it a moment, im pretty much the only one in this thread (maybe even this subforum) that feels this way.
*mutters, and lets it sink now the OP is gone*
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: rayofash on August 03, 2007, 06:21:51 pm
He's come in and made mistakes, and is now acting like a jerk about it. He didn't have to be defensive at all.
Just like nobody had to take most opportunities to provoke him further when he was already obviously annoyed. I didnt see any of you apologising to him for being too harsh, and nobody had to be aggressive either.

That isn't the way things work.

And as for trolling, he was the one trolling (that's what the whole point of making this thread was).
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Cow on August 03, 2007, 06:33:20 pm
Let's just let the thread sink like a sack of kittens in the Mississippi.
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: rayofash on August 03, 2007, 06:53:40 pm
Let's just let the thread sink like a sack of kittens in the Mississippi.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v317/RayOfAsh/vlcsnap-333118.jpg)
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Thanatoz on August 03, 2007, 07:37:55 pm
Ray, Cow, Mae... you are children.
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: LadyM on August 24, 2007, 06:55:48 am
I'm going to resurrect this thread rather than make a new one. I'm really saddened with the way I've seen the people in the Spore forum treat new members. Instead of being friendly and welcome them, you get upset if they even post. If they ask a question, they are told to search. If they post a comment after a search they are told they necro-bumped. Perhaps all of you need to go back and read the forum guidelines. No where in there does it say to treat someone like that. It says to show respect and no personal attacks. Calling new people names (noob, newb, stupid.. etc. ) isn't nice and isn't welcoming. We are going to get alot of new people here when Spore comes out and I think attitudes need to change. I'm going to repost the rules here and I'm going to contact Steve to report how people are being treated. Maybe if you hear it from him, you'll know that it's true.

I'd like for new members to post what think here and older members can respond but I'd like it to be an intelligent discussion like most of the debates on GS are. That's one of the things I liked about this place, people could discuss things without getting angry. Let's get back to that place.
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: gec05 on August 24, 2007, 07:04:57 am
LOL, I was thinking about this board needing it's own copy of the forum rules and whadayknow. :)
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Gaming Steve on August 24, 2007, 08:13:08 am
Please be respectful and helpful for new members. People new to the forum and the game should be treated as guests, not as outsiders who don't know what is going on.

And if you don't want to help someone new, then don't write anything. If you have nothing constructive to say, then don't say anything and simply ignore their post. But trying to make then feel stupid or drive them from the forum is not only disrespectful but can result in a possible ban from the forums. You have all seen that I have no problem whatsoever banning people and I will ban disrespectful members, especially if you are driving off new members or being abusive.

Remember, if you have nothing good or helpful to say, then don't say anything.
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: DarkDragon on August 24, 2007, 09:07:47 am
The Lord has spoken! now leave the new member alone :P

going off-topic: Steve, did you get to go to the GC and/or get any extra Spore news appart from what we have so far?  ;D
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Interitus on August 24, 2007, 10:18:47 am
Maybe a new post should be stickied. One with advice for new memebrs. But give it a catchy name so people actually read it like "New here? Want to be popular? Read this!"

Then have the list of suggestions like searching for topics and images. Reading old debates.  As for necro bumps I don't mind them as long as the person says it's a necro bump and adds something on that topic.  It does nothing to necro bump a conversation from 2005 and respond to one of the posts. More then likely the person doesn't even know oyu did it and won't answer back which ends up being a wasted bump. But if you take an idea and expand on it, or think of something new it works.
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Null on August 24, 2007, 10:37:49 am
When I first came here over a year ago, things were somewhat similar to today. I had to trend carefully at first and observe how things went for a few days so I knew how to hand things without getting my head ripped off. But most people wont be doing that. And most new people donít know much about spore- they come here to learn. They can be expected to use the search feature, but they CANNOT be expected to know what was on previous articles from 1,2 or even a few months back because if they had encountered them they would not be asking. So its not fair to say that it was confirmed years ago if it is done in a manner that they should already know that. They are not stupid, they just did not have access to some of the older stuff that some of the more established members have, through no fault of their own.
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Chaosdwarft on August 24, 2007, 12:17:44 pm
I hear ya dude. Let there be peace and fraternity in the forum. Let our flock grow in number. We must welcome new comers and treat them as equal. They will learn The Ways and embrace Spore in its full glory.
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: B.A.S. on August 24, 2007, 12:19:28 pm
I think there needs too be a rule section in here. Im sure 85% of the spore forumers never venture outside the Spore sections.
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Chaosdwarft on August 24, 2007, 12:23:39 pm
I did, like 2 or 3 times
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: DarkDragon on August 24, 2007, 12:30:22 pm
I do... sometimes... ok, almost never :x
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: noogle on August 24, 2007, 01:56:13 pm
I think we should have a sticky in BIG BOLD LETTERS on the top of the page about what kind of threads belong here  :P
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: LadyM on August 24, 2007, 02:03:05 pm
I think there needs too be a rule section in here. Im sure 85% of the spore forumers never venture outside the Spore sections.

Look up in the sticky section, there is now a list of rules.
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Cow on August 24, 2007, 02:11:33 pm
I know I'm not part of the 85%. Yay!
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: munchkin5 on August 25, 2007, 08:07:18 am
we created something to keep noobs informed, it's called the omnibus, (which may need some slight updating to recent events), but carries pretty much up to date news and it is usually metioned at the start or some of the way through a thread created to ask an already answered question.
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: LadyM on August 25, 2007, 06:17:08 pm
we created something to keep new members informed, it's called the omnibus

*fixed

You can't expect everyone to find that right away. You can always point it out to them in post (in a nice way).
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Cow on August 25, 2007, 06:56:43 pm
As much as I agree with you, LadyM, I'd like to point out that we have to apply some level of coarseness to new fourmites, because we have to root out potential time-bombs. Although, recently our methods have, well, slipped to say the least.
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: LadyM on August 25, 2007, 07:03:23 pm
There is no reason to be coarse. Please read Steve's post above and that tells you exactly how you should treat new forumers. You leave the time bombs or problem to the moderators and the Admin.
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Cow on August 25, 2007, 07:09:06 pm
Alright, alright, I will. But rest assured, if Oom/Lol Fag Man ever returns to the boards, I will be there! To bag on him. *Plays patriotic music*
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: LadyM on August 25, 2007, 07:12:00 pm
The best thing you can do is hit the "report to moderator" button.  :)
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Cow on August 25, 2007, 07:13:34 pm
Ok.......  :'(
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Oviraptor on August 25, 2007, 07:16:38 pm
Don't be sad; that's what the button is there for. We find out a lot of problems a lot faster from people reporting posts.
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Gungnir on August 25, 2007, 07:41:27 pm
Well, if you really want a thread that sticks out to new people, label it "SPORE DEMO HAS BEEN RELEASED! DLOAD LINK HERE!"
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Cow on August 25, 2007, 08:09:33 pm
And then their screen flashes uncontrollably, causing massive seizures?
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: DarkDragon on August 26, 2007, 02:50:07 am
No, that's not their screen, that's their brain having a Sporegasm!
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Chaosdwarft on August 26, 2007, 05:02:43 am
you guys crack me uo  ;Djavascript:void(0);
Cheesy
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Axelgear on August 26, 2007, 07:46:31 am
If I were the Ruler of these forums, I'd constantly measure the length of the posts.

... *Waits for people to get that*
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Cow on August 26, 2007, 08:43:51 am
Lol? Maybe?
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Mae on August 26, 2007, 08:47:14 am
Either I'm sick minded, or AAAAGH!!! MY EYES!!!!
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Axelgear on August 26, 2007, 09:29:26 am
Ruler as in the big stick that has lines on it that say centimeters and inches and such...
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Gungnir on August 26, 2007, 09:34:35 am
What's wrong with mae again?

*mutters something about crazy people*
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Interitus on August 26, 2007, 11:45:51 am
He's measuring something else...
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Axelgear on August 26, 2007, 12:21:15 pm
You people are either perverts or just aren't getting the joke.
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Interitus on August 26, 2007, 12:36:18 pm
I get it, Mae is the one saying he's sick minded
Title: Re: From Forum Noob @ Forum Veterans
Post by: Axelgear on August 26, 2007, 12:40:42 pm
Ah, I see...