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Re: So Germany is going Green - The Nuclear Energy Thread
« Reply #15 on: May 31, 2011, 11:02:51 am »
It's true what you say Krakow, but if you don't give society an incentive to change they will die with their heads in the sand. A government must push these new energies or they will never be discovered, as they serve by principle the people and cannot serve a company.
Why do I say this? Well let's see. Imagine you would have solar panels effective enough and cheap enough to support a house of two families, (there already are such devices). Now if a company which used to provide nuclear energy gives the people such a device they would be making some money at the beginning but they would be losing in the end, as at one point there would not be anyone left to supply. If everybody had a solar panel then there would be no need for an energy corporation, hence they cannot be interested in such an energy. By the way, there is villages in Germany which are completely off the energy grid, as they invested in solar technology and now they supply themselves. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bioenergy_village#J.C3.BChnde I mean these villages are small, but it just shows how intelligent architecture and renewable energies go together.

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Re: So Germany is going Green - The Nuclear Energy Thread
« Reply #16 on: May 31, 2011, 11:05:25 am »
I still push for Nuclear Fusion.

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Re: So Germany is going Green - The Nuclear Energy Thread
« Reply #17 on: May 31, 2011, 11:06:34 am »
Of course, all of this will be irrelevant once Fusion Power becomes a viable power source. :P

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Re: So Germany is going Green - The Nuclear Energy Thread
« Reply #18 on: May 31, 2011, 11:08:08 am »
Nuclear is a great solution to generating energy, the people who have a problem with it are those who don't properly understand the risks involved.

But this was a stupid thing to bring up:
Chenobyl only killed 46 people directly

First of all because everyone knows Chernobyl was much worse than 46 people dying; secondly because Chernobyl is a poor example, the safety at that plant was never up to standard.

And finally:
As the corporations do not have a real interest in these technologies though, the scientific effort put into it is rather low in comparison to other fields.
That alone proves that most of these technologies aren't really viable in a reasonable timespan. If there was even the possibility of medium-term profit, don't you think corporations would jump at the chance?

It's the evil corporations man.

Seriously though, this isn't even true, renewable energy has a lot of research effort directed towards it.

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Re: So Germany is going Green - The Nuclear Energy Thread
« Reply #19 on: May 31, 2011, 11:09:20 am »
But Nuclear Fusion creates even more Nuclear Waste and is even more destructive in case of Emergency. We want to go away from that way you know... But I like the concept more, you know to atoms getting it on, banging, to create some smooth energy. Doesn't sound too bad.

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Re: So Germany is going Green - The Nuclear Energy Thread
« Reply #20 on: May 31, 2011, 11:10:44 am »
Do you understand what fission and fusion actually are?

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Re: So Germany is going Green - The Nuclear Energy Thread
« Reply #21 on: May 31, 2011, 11:13:38 am »
Do you understand what fission and fusion actually are?
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Re: So Germany is going Green - The Nuclear Energy Thread
« Reply #22 on: May 31, 2011, 11:15:13 am »
But Nuclear Fission creates even more Nuclear Waste and is even more destructive in case of Emergency. We want to go away from that way you know... But I like the concept more, you know to atoms getting it on, banging, to create some smooth energy. Doesn't sound too bad.

Uh, I don't think we're on the same page here. We're talking about Fusion, which is Hydrogen atoms fusing to create Helium, which is one of the least reactive and harmful gases possible.

But you said fission, but then describe fusion. So I'm stumped here, clarify please? ;D

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Do you understand what fission and fusion actually are?
Sorry for mistyping, I hope you can jack off to the thought of having me correct my post

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Re: So Germany is going Green - The Nuclear Energy Thread
« Reply #23 on: May 31, 2011, 11:17:18 am »
I got you were talking about fusion, it's just that neither of those things are true about it, the only radioactive waste is low level neutron radiation of the reactor components; and so little fuel is used at any one time that a reactor failure would simply cause the reaction a stop, no explosions or anything.

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Re: So Germany is going Green - The Nuclear Energy Thread
« Reply #24 on: May 31, 2011, 11:17:54 am »
Actually I didn't know much about fusion up till now, I thought it was just as dangerous or more dangerous as fusion. It does sound promising.
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Re: So Germany is going Green - The Nuclear Energy Thread
« Reply #25 on: May 31, 2011, 11:19:39 am »
Where exactly was I being a dick to you?

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Re: So Germany is going Green - The Nuclear Energy Thread
« Reply #26 on: May 31, 2011, 11:21:11 am »
Nuclear is a great solution to generating energy, the people who have a problem with it are those who don't properly understand the risks involved.

But this was a stupid thing to bring up:
Chenobyl only killed 46 people directly

First of all because everyone knows Chernobyl was much worse than 46 people dying; secondly because Chernobyl is a poor example, the safety at that plant was never up to standard.

Feh. We can't all have fancy-shmancy debating ability.

...I can't find that io9 article showing the relative safety of various energy sources, or the one showing the death toll of the worst energy disasters.

Nuclear power was near the bottom on both.

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Re: So Germany is going Green - The Nuclear Energy Thread
« Reply #27 on: May 31, 2011, 11:22:53 am »
Actually I didn't know much about fusion up till now, I thought it was just as dangerous or more dangerous as fusion. It does sound promising.
Basically, Fusion is the endgame for energy sources, since it produces huge amounts of energy, and it's fuel is the most abundant substance in the universe. Hopefully once Fusion is perfected Oil will no longer be needed for anything except to produce chemicals. So yay Major World Crisis resolved!


I am just being a dick to people who are a dick to me.

Except they weren't, you insulted someone who needed clarification on something which you could have easily resolved. That makes you the dick.
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Re: So Germany is going Green - The Nuclear Energy Thread
« Reply #28 on: May 31, 2011, 11:23:36 am »
Calm down, Detox

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Re: So Germany is going Green - The Nuclear Energy Thread
« Reply #29 on: May 31, 2011, 11:25:04 am »
I am not going to bother reading all the previous posts so I am going to say this:


If you are contra-nuclear you are dumb.



EDIT: I read the thread and am going to narrow it down to Detoxicated.
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