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Will Wright's Spore => Spore: General => Topic started by: dogzer on September 03, 2006, 08:48:54 am

Title: Will the spore galaxy be only one? or is it randomly generated
Post by: dogzer on September 03, 2006, 08:48:54 am
I guess it might be 1 single huge online galaxy. I think that would be better right? because you can tell your friends to travel to certain part of the galaxy, maybe tell them to travel to your home planet, so you can see your species in action.

But maybe the galaxy is randomly generated in your computer, and the creatures are just downloaded at random stars inside your computer's galaxy.

Does anyone likes it better if it's 1 shared galaxy? or you think it wouldnt work out?
Title: Re: Will the spore galaxy be only one? or is it randomly generated
Post by: 762 on September 03, 2006, 08:50:17 am
...It's specifically generated on your computer to fit your play style.

DISCUSSION OVER.
Title: Re: Will the spore galaxy be only one? or is it randomly generated
Post by: papaboom on September 03, 2006, 08:52:50 am
DISCUSSION OVER.

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Title: Re: Will the spore galaxy be only one? or is it randomly generated
Post by: Malt on September 03, 2006, 08:53:30 am
Better get yourself a lawyer, 762.
Title: Re: Will the spore galaxy be only one? or is it randomly generated
Post by: 762 on September 03, 2006, 09:11:23 am
Since the DISCUSSION is OVER, we might as well get off topic.

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Title: Re: Will the spore galaxy be only one? or is it randomly generated
Post by: Behumat on September 03, 2006, 09:20:45 am
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Title: Re: Will the spore galaxy be only one? or is it randomly generated
Post by: Mr. Consideration on September 03, 2006, 09:33:11 am
I guess it might be 1 single huge online galaxy. I think that would be better right? because you can tell your friends to travel to certain part of the galaxy, maybe tell them to travel to your home planet, so you can see your species in action.

But maybe the galaxy is randomly generated in your computer, and the creatures are just downloaded at random stars inside your computer's galaxy.

Does anyone likes it better if it's 1 shared galaxy? or you think it wouldnt work out?

Your one post saves you from the burning of a life time.
Title: Re: Will the spore galaxy be only one? or is it randomly generated
Post by: Brutus on September 03, 2006, 09:34:19 am
(this thread could become a huge online galaxy vs randomly generated galaxy in your comp thread)


i think it would be better to have one huge online galaxy
Title: Re: Will the spore galaxy be only one? or is it randomly generated
Post by: 762 on September 03, 2006, 09:37:03 am
i think it would be better to have one huge online galaxy

That's a shame, because it ain't happening.
Title: Re: Will the spore galaxy be only one? or is it randomly generated
Post by: Mr. Consideration on September 03, 2006, 09:37:45 am
I wouldn't, because of the reason Will said: People would blow up your hard work.

I would like to be able to play with one or two friends, however.


...and what a zing from 762. *Applause*
Title: Re: Will the spore galaxy be only one? or is it randomly generated
Post by: Malt on September 03, 2006, 10:02:23 am
No, because the Phallicons from Roflcopter 7 will come and blow up your planet when you're offline.

But I do have an idea. You can set up a room, and invite other users to it. It will be an exact replica of your galaxy, but it doesn't effect your game. You can have epic space battles and still not disturb your galaxy.
Title: Re: Will the spore galaxy be only one? or is it randomly generated
Post by: dogzer on September 03, 2006, 01:34:33 pm
oh I see, well, that's ok I guess.

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Your one post saves you from the burning of a life time.

Hahaha, thanks, i wouldnt want to get spore-burned  XD , I just wanted to know what was the public opinion on this. But you guys are totally right, a shared galaxy would bring some problems.
Title: Re: Will the spore galaxy be only one? or is it randomly generated
Post by: Duke Rajko on September 03, 2006, 02:02:30 pm
Its not a matter of public opinion. One of the first things every interviewer has asked is to explain "massively singleplayer."
Title: Re: Will the spore galaxy be only one? or is it randomly generated
Post by: TheNecromonicon on September 03, 2006, 03:08:11 pm
I think you all misinterpreted the question. We KNOW it's massively single player. I beleive what Dogzer is trying to ask is if everyone's galaxy will be A) randomly created, and no two people will have the same galaxy, or B) if we will all be sent the exact same galaxy, with the same species and planets in the same places, so that if we find something cool in one random corner of it we can tell our friends exactly where it is and they can go see it themselves in their own game with their own species.

Of course, I could be crazy... *twitch*

I think it will be A, it makes more sense as your galaxy is built around you procedurally, but it would be cool to be able to go try and find things like supernovas and dark matter nebula that your friends tell you about using coordinates they give you. Sporepedia will likely not have that kind of option though.
Title: Re: Will the spore galaxy be only one? or is it randomly generated
Post by: Granite T. Rock on September 03, 2006, 07:05:02 pm
I'm completely guessing here... but it will be A) Randomly Generated.... but my guess is that it won't be completely random... there will be method to the madness.
Title: Re: Will the spore galaxy be only one? or is it randomly generated
Post by: Talkc on September 03, 2006, 07:52:21 pm
My guess is that it will be generated in parts, AS you explore the galaxy. I dont believe that a majority of the galaxy will even have been generated untill you get to the specific parts of it, and then it will come up with something for you, possibly off of other player's content.
Title: Re: Will the spore galaxy be only one? or is it randomly generated
Post by: dogzer on September 03, 2006, 08:32:40 pm
Yeah, even if it had online gaming, i woudlnt like that, because i always end up with someone who has sharpened his skills so good, you only have a 200 ms error window if you want to survive him.

But i guess that sharing the galaxy thing isnt a good idea either, I must admit i forgot about species being wiped out of planets. Since if your race gets wiped out on one computer, it'd have to be the same for your computer, so that wouldnt work out haha
Title: Re: Will the spore galaxy be only one? or is it randomly generated
Post by: SpaceOddity on September 03, 2006, 11:45:12 pm
My guess is that it will be generated in parts, AS you explore the galaxy. I dont believe that a majority of the galaxy will even have been generated untill you get to the specific parts of it, and then it will come up with something for you, possibly off of other player's content.
I think this scenario the most likely. This way you can also get offered more of the diversity as more people play the game. If the entire galaxy is generated the first time you start the game, the early buyers (yes, that'd be us! :D) get the least diverse game.
Title: Re: Will the spore galaxy be only one? or is it randomly generated
Post by: Chaosenigma on September 04, 2006, 12:04:56 am
Of course it's randomly generated. I cant remember which speech but i remember reading a transcript about every world being different, and that every time you re-install spore onto your computer a new universe is created
Title: Re: Will the spore galaxy be only one? or is it randomly generated
Post by: huggkruka on September 04, 2006, 12:31:36 am
Still, it's not completely random. Accoring to the age-old lore(GDC05), planets you discover will be partially influenced by your playing style. I believe that if you're a water creature you will see more water worlds, if you're a conquerer, you will face more aggressive enemies, and so on.
Title: Re: Will the spore galaxy be only one? or is it randomly generated
Post by: DarkDragon on September 04, 2006, 04:23:45 am
A shared galaxy would imply that if someone blows up your planet = Game Over for you :C
I prefer a different galaxy for each person because it gives a sense of randomness and I like that.
Title: Re: Will the spore galaxy be only one? or is it randomly generated
Post by: Millsy111 on September 04, 2006, 04:52:57 am
I definitely prefer a randomly generated universe to a shared one. Primarily because I don't want someone else tampering and/or destroying things I have spent a lot of time to create and have it destroyed on MY game as well.
Title: Re: Will the spore galaxy be only one? or is it randomly generated
Post by: DarkDragon on September 04, 2006, 10:05:05 am
You must also understand that a shared galaxy would use a lot of space because all the stars+planets+etc would have to exist already for everyone to use them. The only way Spore can handle a full random galaxy is because new stars+planets are only created when you decide to travel to them, otherwise a star is only a bright dot in the middle of nowhere ;)
Title: Re: Will the spore galaxy be only one? or is it randomly generated
Post by: slugfly on September 05, 2006, 10:40:17 pm
Because it's pollinated as you need content it has to be generated as a whole.  My co-ordinates are 250x250.  Yours are 750x750.  I go to 750x750 but previously I needed a carnivore to balance out my planet and yours got chosen, so now that carnivore won't be pollinated to 750x750... it'll be pollinated by something else, if anything.

I suspect however that at install, as soon as we get out of the primordial muck, all galaxies will be the same.  We'll all start in the same coordinates and the major stars will all exist the same.  But the planets and creatures won't.
Title: Re: Will the spore galaxy be only one? or is it randomly generated
Post by: Hydromancerx on September 06, 2006, 12:15:01 am
It would probbly HAVE to be randomly generated cause our filtering out so much.
Title: Re: Will the spore galaxy be only one? or is it randomly generated
Post by: dlseth on September 06, 2006, 01:57:20 am
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Title: Re: Will the spore galaxy be only one? or is it randomly generated
Post by: benjaminge on September 06, 2006, 08:37:59 am
hmmmm i could be wrong, but in the demo whenever he's zoomed out, it bin the same spiral galaxy, like our own. So i reckon we might all recieve the same sorta template for a galaxy, basic shape, location of black holes etc (if there are any) and maybe even the different solar systems. however what these planets would consist of would would be randomly generated 2 suit our needs. This way certain items, like the relics and alien technology could be in certain places, like the 3rd planet away from you, and the 1st intelegent life you encounter in the 2nd solar sytem you explore...

thinking about it, would it be easier 2 program a set galaxy that had the ability 2 randomly generate planets or a galaxy that can completely randomly generated itself?

thinking more :) hasnt ww already said it would be like 10,000 planets max? surely that means there imposing some kinds of limits to it, meaning maybe we're gettin a template?!

discuss :)
Title: Re: Will the spore galaxy be only one? or is it randomly generated
Post by: slugfly on September 06, 2006, 08:45:11 am
I suspect that a galaxy only ever has one black hole, and if it has a second I would think that it would be a miniature black hole that would eventually end up merging with the central one.
Title: Re: Will the spore galaxy be only one? or is it randomly generated
Post by: SpaceOddity on September 06, 2006, 09:36:59 am
Didn't he mention that black holes can be used as wormholes at some satge, to travel through the galaxy faster? That'd imply at least two in addition to the central one.

As an aside: Knowing how Will said the Galaxy is a "stellar zoo" I imagine that it'll indeed have a huge central black hole, in keeping with the current assumption of such a thing at our very own "RL" Galaxy.
Title: Re: Will the spore galaxy be only one? or is it randomly generated
Post by: lolasan on September 06, 2006, 10:41:22 am
JT only won the Hot Coffee Case... and I think maybe one in Uber Conservative Christian Hicksville, Alabama regarding his stance of "Violent Video games make one Killers" I can easily modify some of the items on the EDIT: Humorous List of"Why Gay Marrige is Wrong" humor list, replace "Gay Marrige" with "Violent Videogames" and it would have the same message

Such as "Violent Video games make the game players Killers, just like playing with tall people will make you tall"
Title: Re: Will the spore galaxy be only one? or is it randomly generated
Post by: DaMuncha on September 06, 2006, 04:03:45 pm
Whats wrong with gay marriges?

Edit:
Gay marriges are legal in NZ, so is gambling and so is prostitution (not thar I ever would do either of them).
Title: Re: Will the spore galaxy be only one? or is it randomly generated
Post by: HanianKnight on September 06, 2006, 04:35:03 pm
whats wrong with gay marriges?

*backs away from upcoming flamewar over gay marriage*
Title: Re: Will the spore galaxy be only one? or is it randomly generated
Post by: lolasan on September 06, 2006, 06:01:48 pm
whats wrong with gay marriges?

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! I changed a few of the things from a HUMOR list that is actually Pro-it. I believe there is nothing wrong with it. The points on the list were common arguments against it that had additions that discredited it.

Yeesh, can I go 1 day without the first line of my sig being true.
Title: Re: Will the spore galaxy be only one? or is it randomly generated
Post by: TheNecromonicon on September 06, 2006, 06:04:25 pm
Personally I find this complete lack of tact and reserve you all possess extemely sexy and arousing. Rawr.
Title: Re: Will the spore galaxy be only one? or is it randomly generated
Post by: Chickenman297 on September 06, 2006, 06:49:49 pm
hmmmm i could be wrong, but in the demo whenever he's zoomed out, it bin the same spiral galaxy, like our own. So i reckon we might all recieve the same sorta template for a galaxy, basic shape, location of black holes etc (if there are any) and maybe even the different solar systems. however what these planets would consist of would would be randomly generated 2 suit our needs. This way certain items, like the relics and alien technology could be in certain places, like the 3rd planet away from you, and the 1st intelegent life you encounter in the 2nd solar sytem you explore...
You could be right about the basic shape of the galaxy, but I doubt the star systems and black holes will be in the same location.  One thing I will be doing is to save the game at a point just before I leave the solar system.  I will then load the game at that point several times to see if I get different planets and stars each time.
thinking about it, would it be easier 2 program a set galaxy that had the ability 2 randomly generate planets or a galaxy that can completely randomly generated itself?
Interesting question.  It would be easier to program a set galaxy with randomly generated planets, but I think WW will have the galaxy generated entirely procedually.  Read the posts about the pollination and maybe watch the video from GDC05 and listen to what WW says for the difference between random and procedual
thinking more :) hasnt ww already said it would be like 10,000 planets max? surely that means there imposing some kinds of limits to it, meaning maybe we're gettin a template?!
more like about 10,000,000 ;)  The templates you are speaking of will actually be mostly from other players of Spore.
Title: Re: Will the spore galaxy be only one? or is it randomly generated
Post by: Tarrasque on September 07, 2006, 04:47:57 am
Yeah that is genius. At the beginning there aren't no other planets at all. But then everybody is synchronously creating planets and civilizations and when people are finally getting there and buy the interstellar drive the galaxy is populated.

So much for theory...
Title: Re: Will the spore galaxy be only one? or is it randomly generated
Post by: benjaminge on September 07, 2006, 08:14:31 am
yeah i miss quoted that number ;D wud b interestin 2 see if there are any similiar features of the galaxys, whether or not star sytems are randomly generated to... Still wondering how alien technology and stuff will work... i would expect some things that affect the storyline will have to be "planted" like i said. 1st intelegent life within 3 star systems or something... could be wrong tho