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Re: Superman Returns
« Reply #30 on: July 01, 2006, 08:18:58 am »
Superman is my least favorite because he's WAY too super. There's no need for creativity when writing anything about Superman, because he is impervious to bullets, can fly, has laser vision, ice breath, x-ray vision, super strength... He can get out of any situation way too easily. Superman's only weakness is a kind of rock, that's conveniently located a billion light years away.

Get a real superhero who has limits, like Spiderman. If you shoot him in the eye, he will die.

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Re: Superman Returns
« Reply #31 on: July 01, 2006, 08:59:31 am »
I agree wtih the Superman thing, he is way to perfect and not fun at all.

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Re: Superman Returns
« Reply #32 on: July 01, 2006, 03:52:54 pm »

He thinks we're weak.



Relatively speaking humans are weak. Squishy bipedal flesh/water bags with no natural weapons or defenses of any kind. Sure there's the whole brain thing, but when matched up against various acts of super villainy it really doesn't compare.

And just so I'm doing something besides badmouthing humans, I for one like Superman and will probably see the movie at some point. I've seen previews and the eye thing does seem a bit much though.
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Re: Superman Returns
« Reply #33 on: July 01, 2006, 03:57:02 pm »
I agree wtih the Superman thing, he is way to perfect and not fun at all.

Nerf superman  :D

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Re: Superman Returns
« Reply #34 on: July 01, 2006, 05:52:33 pm »
hmm, now that i've seen the movie *coughcough* it seems like they do try to put limits on his power.

aside from the obvious:
1. even though he can travel faster than light, he has trouble accelerating (was barely able to save the plane)
2. can only be one place at a time
3. the ONE WEAKNESS of nearly any superhero (especially the X-Men) he has a finite attention span, and if he gets distracted you can sneak up on him
4. his own invincibility working against him (SPOILER): when the doctors are working on him, they try to give him an injection, and the needle bends back, they try to shock his heart, and the damn machine breaks.. still want to be invincible?
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Re: Superman Returns
« Reply #35 on: July 03, 2006, 07:42:40 am »
I think a good writer can do something interesting with Superman, mostly because they can take all of his powers and still come up with a storyline worth reading. I'm looking at Alan Moore and Grant Morrison here. His near invincibility should be considered a challenge to a writer, not a hindrance.

And for the record: I hate when they nerf him. They've done it off and on for decades. Hell, by most accounts, an earlier version of Superman could have thumped Doomsday and killed him.

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Re: Superman Returns
« Reply #36 on: July 04, 2006, 02:47:39 am »
I agree wtih the Superman thing, he is way to perfect and not fun at all.

Nerf supermaná :D
Yes! His new foe could be some sort of games developer who traps him in an virtual reality to make him go crazy by nerfing his powers.

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Re: Superman Returns
« Reply #37 on: July 04, 2006, 01:11:16 pm »
Superman is my least favorite because he's WAY too super. There's no need for creativity when writing anything about Superman, because he is impervious to bullets, can fly, has laser vision, ice breath, x-ray vision, super strength... He can get out of any situation way too easily. Superman's only weakness is a kind of rock, that's conveniently located a billion light years away.

Get a real superhero who has limits, like Spiderman. If you shoot him in the eye, he will die.

Superman does have limits.....compared to DBZ heroes. He also does have kryptonite as a weakness.

Personally, Superman is my least favorite superhero ever. I'll tell you why.

He thinks we're weak.

Almost every other superhero there's ever been started as a regular old human, and they were given super powers later in life somehow. Their secret identity is their super powers.

But Superman was BORN with "super powers." He has always been Superman, even if he didn't know it for awhile. His secret identity is Clark Kent. He hides among us, thinking the best way to hide is to act weak, skittish, shy, and clumsy - because thats how he sees us compared to him. It's degrading.

Personally I take Superman as an insult to our species, calling us weak and that we cannot help ourselves.

That does not make him an insult to humankind, if anything, it makes himself look stupid. Try to copie a chimpanzee & see how you do to "not stand out". I'll give you the chimpanzee suit no charge.
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Re: Superman Returns
« Reply #38 on: July 04, 2006, 03:11:24 pm »

But Superman was BORN with "super powers." He has always been Superman, even if he didn't know it for awhile.

From what I understand that's incorrect. Superman's powers are a result of the way the yellow sun reacts to his Kryptonian physiology. Being born on the planet Krypton which had a Red Sun orbiting it, he wouldn't have the same type of life since Krypton was not a civilization of flying Supermen.

Anyway, I just saw the movie. Seemingly not the most original tale, but it made me curious to know more about the Superman mythos. Despite it's flaws, I think it continued to show how far comic book movies have come compared to say....videogame movies. I think it may have been too slow for some people, since the drama outweighed the action. But for anyone craving the same type of matured tone that the Batman movies took on, I think Superman Returns fits the bill quite nicely.

I can't dock points off the movie from a fan's point of view because as I said I'm not too familiar with the Superman universe, but I enjoyed it quite a bit personally. I'd see it again.  Other opinions of the movie?

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Re: Superman Returns
« Reply #39 on: July 04, 2006, 07:26:46 pm »
Goku > any superhero

And Galactus > all of DBZ

does venom count when spider man 3 comes out, or possibly carnage? ??? so awsome...


Emo Spider-man? ;)
Carnage will almost definatly not be in though.

hes not emo he just had an evil black alien attach to him and control his mind and he had to separate it from him with ear-pounding noise,
then have an angry sociopath attack and nearly kill him in the same suit with all his powers, most likely killing a friend of his, then running around pounding stuff till its defeated then probably comes back later, only stronger and angryer, then it gets defeated again and gets put in jail, only to have the alien escape from some lab, rebvond with the guy, breaking out of prison and leaving behind carnage, who then kills nearly everyone. or at least half-way through there. depends on the story. :D his life sucks.

Speaking of SPider-Man turning Emo, check this out:

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Re: Superman Returns
« Reply #40 on: July 05, 2006, 11:34:53 am »
Personally, Superman is my least favorite superhero ever. I'll tell you why.

He thinks we're weak.

Almost every other superhero there's ever been started as a regular old human, and they were given super powers later in life somehow. Their secret identity is their super powers.

But Superman was BORN with "super powers." He has always been Superman, even if he didn't know it for awhile. His secret identity is Clark Kent. He hides among us, thinking the best way to hide is to act weak, skittish, shy, and clumsy - because thats how he sees us compared to him. It's degrading.

Personally I take Superman as an insult to our species, calling us weak and that we cannot help ourselves.

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If you were referencing it, it's at least courtesy to say you were; if you weren't, that's cool. No biggie. But just because some murdering freak like Bill says it doesn't make it so. In each character's case -- Spider-Man and Batman -- he does things when he's being 'himself' that aren't necessary. Peter Parker still wears glasses. Does he need them? No. He still appears flawed and easy to victimize. Is he? No. Same goes for Batman: By his own design, he has made people believe that Bruce Wayne is a playboy that sleeps indiscriminantly with supermodels and parties from dusk till dawn. What's consistent in all cases is that the hero tries to position his alter-ego as someone exactly the opposite of what and who he truly is.

Which is what Superman does. Clark Kent bumbles around, not because he's saying that every human does, but because it makes any concept of Clark Kent being Superman fly right out of your head. Superman doesn't bumble; he is commanding and powerful beyond belief. And if Bruce Wayne truly showcased his technical brilliance and angst-filled attitude, the concept of him being Batman would be far easier to expose.

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Re: Superman Returns
« Reply #41 on: July 05, 2006, 05:14:36 pm »
Never heard that Tarantino thing. And you raise a good argument.

But I still don't like Superman.

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Re: Superman Returns
« Reply #42 on: July 05, 2006, 06:58:35 pm »
But I still don't like Superman.

Amen.

And that was an interesting read. I would have skipped it, if it weren't for my interest in people debating whether superman sucks or not.

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Re: Superman Returns
« Reply #43 on: July 06, 2006, 08:32:18 am »
But I still don't like Superman.

Amen.

And that was an interesting read. I would have skipped it, if it weren't for my interest in people debating whether superman sucks or not.

People that don't like Superman, IMO, seem to dislike him for the wrong reasons. There's plenty throughout the history of the character worth championing; for example, any of the 50's and 60's Superman stories and especially the Superman's Pal, Jimmy Olsen series because that was insanely entertaining. Most people nowadays only see the grandiose version of Superman, which can get a bit repetitive and tired if the stories aren't being scripted by someone brilliant. But some of that early stuff, back when they took actual risks with the character? Those stories were absolutely awesome.

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Re: Superman Returns
« Reply #44 on: July 06, 2006, 04:35:13 pm »
I never really read any of the comics, but the main reasons I grew to like the character among other superheroes was from watching the animated series and Justice League.
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