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Title: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Sub on March 11, 2008, 09:35:50 am
According to the politician Sally Kern of Oklahoma that is.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=tFxk7glmMbo


Pretty disgusting that this type of ignorance and prejudice still exists in our society today.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Huckbuck on March 11, 2008, 09:44:44 am
BURN HER!

Seriously I am... I am amased that people like that are able to get posts like that in the US, it is scary.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Xenomorph on March 11, 2008, 09:50:30 am
BURN HER!

Seriously I am... I am amased that people like that are able to get posts like that in the US, it is scary.

yeah burn the witch!

well, we have some of that kind of people here too. people who abuse the right of saying what they think are sick people.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Sub on March 11, 2008, 10:13:02 am
yeah burn the witch!

well, we have some of that kind of people here too. people who abuse the right of saying what they think are sick people.

No, she has every right to state what she thinks or believes, but it doesn't change the fact that she is completely wrong on every level and should not represent anyone in government.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Huckbuck on March 11, 2008, 10:15:43 am
I think stuff like this originates from ignorance. People who say something like this, or people who says that the evolution theory is redicolous with the argument that "If humans came from monkeys then why are monkeys still giving birth to monkeys?", are ignorant and uninformed.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Mr. Consideration on March 11, 2008, 10:53:24 am
Ignorance....and fear.

It's common knowledge that most militant anti-homosexuals are gay. How many Republicans have been caught with thier trousers down (literally) recently? The masculine fear of being 'hit on' by every gay they meet is ridiculous. Does every woman you meet find you irrestistably attractive? (In my case, yes.)

It's not just the USA with bigots in government, it's a global phenomenon.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Werechicken on March 11, 2008, 11:07:13 am
She makes being gay sound like some sort of international organization bent (no pun intended) on world domination. Also no matter how many times I hear it I'm still bewildered when ignorant prats talks about gay people recruiting in schools. How exactly do you achieve this?
"Hey kid, do want to grow up to be gay!? We have candy!"
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Person21 on March 11, 2008, 11:22:17 am
I admit, I laughed when she said "Infiltrating the Government"
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Arachoid on March 11, 2008, 12:05:10 pm
Of you think that **** is ignorant, try living in southern Illinois. The Internet is all that keeps me from losing brain cells every day...

I don't mean to minimize the ridiculousness of this, but my mom won't get the dog microchipped because she thinks it will bring the anti Christ unto the earth. Yeah.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Huckbuck on March 11, 2008, 12:06:27 pm
Of you think that **** is ignorant, try living in southern Illinois. The Internet is all that keeps me from losing brain cells every day...

I don't mean to minimize the ridiculousness of this, but my mom won't get the dog microchipped because she thinks it will bring the anti Christ unto the earth. Yeah.


Oh. OH. I can't even laugh at that, I just pitty you...  :-\
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: 7 who ate 9 on March 11, 2008, 12:22:55 pm
In Rome, being bi was normal. That lasted for more then a few decades. Its not a disease that spreads, I'm pretty sure no one would be able to "convert" or "infect" me to start liking boys.

I hate ignorance and intolerance, those are the things that I don't like about life. That and greed, but greed doesn't start with an "i"
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Plank of Wood on March 11, 2008, 12:25:01 pm
Of you think that **** is ignorant, try living in southern Illinois. The Internet is all that keeps me from losing brain cells every day...

I don't mean to minimize the ridiculousness of this, but my mom won't get the dog microchipped because she thinks it will bring the anti Christ unto the earth. Yeah.


Oh. OH. I can't even laugh at that, I just pitty you...  :-\

Wow, that makes me feel guilty about bitching about chavs. I'm just speechless.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: 7 who ate 9 on March 11, 2008, 12:39:21 pm
Of you think that **** is ignorant, try living in southern Illinois. The Internet is all that keeps me from losing brain cells every day...

I don't mean to minimize the ridiculousness of this, but my mom won't get the dog microchipped because she thinks it will bring the anti Christ unto the earth. Yeah.


Oh. OH. I can't even laugh at that, I just pitty you...  :-\

Wow, that makes me feel guilty about bitching about chavs. I'm just speechless.

Where I live we have pretty bad chavs and horrible rich foothill moms. Sorry if foothill mom is a just a term we use around here, just imagine rich religious moms living up in huge mansions in the mountains of Arizona.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Brandonazz on March 11, 2008, 12:49:19 pm
Such ignorant bigots make me sick. Why they haven't yet been shouted from this country confounds me.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Legodragonxp on March 11, 2008, 12:55:29 pm
So I'm guessing she won't be a guest on Ellen? LOL
-Lego
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Uroboros on March 11, 2008, 01:29:26 pm
*facepalm*
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Clockwerk on March 11, 2008, 01:54:21 pm
I in no way support Homosexuality or anything, but calling it evil and stuff is being ridcious and stuid.  If people are going to use there freedom of speech like this, then in a few decades America will turn into a Hate-mongering Nazi country.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Mr. Consideration on March 11, 2008, 01:58:28 pm
I in no way support Homosexuality...

Oh dear.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Brandonazz on March 11, 2008, 02:01:33 pm
And before I at least had doubts about you, Clockwerk.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Gorman Conall on March 11, 2008, 02:03:37 pm
Not everybody shares the same view opinions and beliefs Mr.C and Brandon.

I'm with Clockwerk i don't support it ether but that is some seriously whacked out stuff to say.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: blitzonator on March 11, 2008, 02:04:55 pm
At least I support it.

I've never called a man gay as an insult for 2 years.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Huckbuck on March 11, 2008, 02:09:46 pm
Not everybody shares the same view opinions and beliefs Mr.C and Brandon.

I'm with Clockwerk i don't support it ether but that is some seriously whacked out stuff to say.

You don't SUPPORT it? You don't SUPPORT homosexualls? That's like saying; "I don't support people with green eyes, but I wouldn't want to see ALL of them dead." How the hampshire can you not SUPPORT a large group of people as a whole? They aren't even a group, they just have one thing in common. Our overpopulated earth needs homosexualls.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Mr. Consideration on March 11, 2008, 02:12:35 pm
Saying you support it is implying people have some kind of choice. If you're gay, you're gay. You weren't recruited, or corrupted.  As far as I see it, having homosexuality publiscised simply gives people somewhere to look.

Saying you don't support it is like saying you disagree with people being left-handed or having black hair. They can't help it, it can't be cured and prejudice will only create bitterness.


EDIT: Beaten to it.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Gorman Conall on March 11, 2008, 02:14:34 pm
Like i said not everybody views things in the same perspective its as simple as that and i can't be any more clear without starting another asinine argument where the entire forum jumps on 2 or 3 people that have a different opinion then they do.

I agree that video was stupid thats what the thread was about correct?. Lets leave it at that.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Brandonazz on March 11, 2008, 02:15:27 pm
Gorman, I didn't have doubts about you.





Now what is the purpose of the topic, confirming this woman's idiocy aside?
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Hammerman58 on March 11, 2008, 02:18:20 pm
Thats ignorant to say something like that. She should be ashamed of herself. People are still people no matter what and should all be treated equally.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: blitzonator on March 11, 2008, 02:19:12 pm
There was nothing else.

Lets let this die, she's a stupid git, end of story.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Huckbuck on March 11, 2008, 02:22:10 pm
I just have to point out the fabulous adds that appears at the bottom of this thread :D
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Gorman Conall on March 11, 2008, 02:23:35 pm
Now what is the purpose of the topic, confirming this woman's idiocy aside?

Nothing.

Though I'm curious for curiositys sake about the doubts you are talking about. Feel free to PM me

Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
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Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Plank of Wood on March 11, 2008, 02:25:04 pm
The point of this thread is for it to get more popularity than if it was posted in the yotube topic.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Huckbuck on March 11, 2008, 02:30:11 pm
Am I the only one who gets that homosexuall meeting place whatever add? O.o Are they calling for me? :P
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: huggkruka on March 11, 2008, 02:46:29 pm
My mind is torn between ranting about the impossibility of such a statement to even exist in a civilized country and quoting Willem Dafoe in "Boondock Saints".  :P
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Serdun on March 11, 2008, 02:59:52 pm
I in no way support women's suffrage or anything, but it's not like I'm sexist.

Right you guys?

Guys?
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Brandonazz on March 11, 2008, 03:07:39 pm
Please reassure me that was a joke. I can't detect sarcasm at this distance.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: blitzonator on March 11, 2008, 03:17:22 pm
Now, lets just leave. I think the "OT... T?" Is wanting us.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Samog on March 11, 2008, 03:24:02 pm
I in no way support overreaction or anything, but
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Sub on March 11, 2008, 07:44:21 pm
The point of this thread is for it to get more popularity than if it was posted in the yotube topic.

Because you know what goes on inside my head?

The point of this topic is to discuss the prejudice that some people attempt to spread, mainly those in government who talk as if their on some grand crusade to save us all.  I thought it was important enough to warrant a serious discussion, not shoved into a thread which includes videos of midget wrestlers.  The youtube thread is mainly for amusing things, not for serious discussion.  I could have just as easily linked to one of the articles about this story, but I felt the video did it more justice.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Serdun on March 11, 2008, 07:49:27 pm
It was a joke, Brandon. Of course I'm sexist.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Brandonazz on March 11, 2008, 08:01:55 pm
Now see, I could have detected that on Mars.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Crazen on March 12, 2008, 10:15:58 am
though not inherintly imoral or bad, Homosexuality is not normally good for an economy or species. expert in our case. like sterilizing people in India it will
" help decrease the surplus population" - Mr Ebenezer scrooge

....plus lesbians are sexy ;)
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: 7 who ate 9 on March 12, 2008, 12:16:45 pm
Not everybody shares the same view opinions and beliefs Mr.C and Brandon.


True, some people are racist and some people aren't....


 ::)


Prejudice is what makes me fear for humanity. I seriously do spend times worrying about what the future will hold, I hope people become more understanding. I think  more people need to go on the internet, it is a great invention that connects the world. If the world is connected, we can understand people different then us so much better. I might be racist if I didn't go on forums or on youtube watching people that are emo or gay. In fact, I think a lot of people know they could learn a lot by opening their eyes, but they refuse to do so because then they would need to reject their old concept of reality.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: gec05 on March 12, 2008, 01:32:53 pm
I think before the internet, people were better off. Things will only get worse.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Gungnir on March 12, 2008, 01:36:41 pm
....plus lesbians are sexy ;)

Not all of them...there are quite a few lesbians/bisexuals at my school. Most are not what most people would call attractive.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Crazen on March 12, 2008, 02:08:35 pm

....plus lesbians are sexy ;)

Not all of them...there are quite a few lesbians/bisexuals at my school. Most are not what most people would call attractive.

that was used for light humerous effect.

and on my earlier comment, it doesnt realy matter how it affect the continuation of humans and economy; if you will remember, success doesnt realy matter, as long as people are content and happy.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Uroboros on March 12, 2008, 02:12:08 pm
I think before the internet, people were better off. Things will only get worse.
But in an age where authorative bodies are so eager to supress information, the internet is a very useful turnstone.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Doctor Z on March 12, 2008, 02:17:37 pm
I think  more people need to go on the internet,
Have you SEEN the internet?!
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: 7 who ate 9 on March 12, 2008, 03:31:32 pm
I think  more people need to go on the internet,
Have you SEEN the internet?!

Of corse the internet isn't perfect, I'm not telling people to become gaming nerds, but think about how much you know from other cultures after you went the internet.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Plank of Wood on March 12, 2008, 03:40:35 pm
I think  more people need to go on the internet,
Have you SEEN the internet?!

Of corse the internet isn't perfect, I'm not telling people to become gaming nerds, but think about how much you know from other cultures after you went the internet.

Nah, just do it the English way of shoving other cultures down your throuts in the form of RE until you're old enough to go to court and sue the secretary of education for causing mental damage.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: huggkruka on March 12, 2008, 04:18:07 pm
The refreshingly gay fitness site: Real Jock. Adsense rocks. I wish this was a Christian forum and the topic title was for real, that would have been amazing.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Gorman Conall on March 12, 2008, 04:21:19 pm
I think before the internet, people were better off. Things will only get worse.

As much as i love my internet (man i love internet) i am inclined to agree.

And 7 who ate 9 i really do hope you weren't calling me racist, If so please go look up the word.

I don't hate homosexuals or any one for that matter.

Racism is such an over used and improperly used word its not even funny.

Also a lot of things people would call racist actually is not. Let me give you an example, If i were to say there are more African Americans in jail and prison in the United States then say whites or Asians. I would be branded a racist although I'm only accepting a fact. When the truth of the matter is i grew up in a mostly African American town and most of my friends are African American including my best friend.

Due to that and the fact i have traveled into many towns that are almost all African American i have a lot of insight when it comes to them. I have accepted *facts* that are both good and bad but if i dare mention a bad one then i am a lying racist. Also the thing you have to remember is any bad traits that a particular race has is never due to their actual skin but the culture and life style they live and are taught growing up.

A wolf who grew up in the wild is a mean and dangerous animal. A wolf raised in captivity from birth is no different then a puppy.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Daxx on March 12, 2008, 04:34:56 pm
Uh, perhaps you need to think about what he's saying rather than posting the regular knee-jerk reaction. He's not calling anyone racist, he's comparing people who discriminate against homosexuals to those who discriminate on the basis of race, since it's an equally bigoted and ignorant position to hold.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Gorman Conall on March 12, 2008, 04:38:48 pm
Its hard to tell actually and i don't think my reaction was knee-jerk ether. I just put my two cents in on racism as a whole and most of my post was not directed at him at all.

Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: 7 who ate 9 on March 12, 2008, 04:39:26 pm
Uh, perhaps you need to think about what he's saying rather than posting the regular knee-jerk reaction. He's not calling anyone racist, he's comparing people who discriminate against homosexuals to those who discriminate on the basis of race, since it's an equally bigoted and ignorant position to hold.

Exactly.

I do think people were kind of better off before internet, but that is just because ignorance was bless. But now and days, you need to have knowledge of other cultures to last.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Jagon on March 12, 2008, 06:47:03 pm
let her say whatever she wants, she has a right to it

Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: 7 who ate 9 on March 12, 2008, 10:05:29 pm
let her say whatever she wants, she has a right to it



Im fine with her saying what ever she wants, just as long as I get to say whatever I want in response to that. Im not saying we stop her from talking, infact I would be disappointed if she refused to talk about this further, I want someone to get into a debat with her.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Sub on March 12, 2008, 11:01:43 pm
Oh, oh, it all makes sense now.  She has a gay son whom she disowned.  She's using the idiotic idea that gays infiltrated the schools and make others gay as justifying the fact that her son is gay.  I sincerely hope that she gets voted out of office.

http://www.queerty.com/sally-kern-scrubs-gay-son-20080312/
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: blitzonator on March 13, 2008, 10:49:32 am
http://www.teletext.co.uk/news/regional/central-scotland/1d81d584c275b83bcaf88d1bb757d43a/Bishop+in+gay+comments+row.aspx

Blah Blah racially and religiously indifferent sheep from no country of origen have you any wool?
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: LadyM on March 13, 2008, 01:11:11 pm
I heard this story last week, (on Ellen) and it bothered me so maybe this is a good place to discuss it. One 14 year old boy killed a class mate because he was gay and had asked him to be his valentine. What happened to "just say no". Why does it have to be murder?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E.O._Green_School_shooting

Quote from: Ellen DeGeneres
On February 12th, an openly gay 15-year-old boy named Larry who is an eight grader from Oxnard California was murdered by a fellow 8th grader named Brandon. Larry was killed because he was gay. Days before he was murdered, Larry asked his killer to be his Valentine. I don’t want to be political, but this is not a political issue, this is personal to me. A boy has been killed and a number of lives have been ruined.

Somewhere along the line, the killer Brandon got the message that it’s so threatening and so awful and so horrific that Larry would want to be his Valentine that killing Larry seemed to be the right thing to do. When the message out there is so horrible that to be gay you can get killed for it, we need to change the message. (audience applause)

Larry was not a second-class citizen. I am not a second-class citizen. It is okay if you’re gay. (more applause)

I would like you to start paying attention to how often being gay is a punch line of a monologue or how often gay jokes are in a movie. And that kind of message, laughing at someone because they’re gay is just the beginning. It starts with laughing at someone, then it’s verbal abuse then its physical abuse then it’s this kid Brandon killing a kid like Larry.

We must change our country and we can do it. We can do it with our behavior. We can do it with our messages that we send our children. We can do it with our vote. This is an election year and there’s a lot of talk about change. I think one thing we should change is hate. Check on who you’re voting for and does that person really truly believe that we are all equal under the law? And if you’re not sure, change your vote, we deserve better. My heart goes out to everybody involved in this horrible, horrible incident.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Mr. Consideration on March 13, 2008, 01:18:05 pm
Jesus Christ.

That kid must have been some kind of mentalist, regardless.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Doctor Z on March 13, 2008, 01:35:00 pm
... Wow...
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Serdun on March 13, 2008, 02:27:58 pm
A wolf who grew up in the wild is a mean and dangerous animal. A wolf raised in captivity from birth is no different then a puppy.

This is incorrect. Wild animals generally retain the behaviors they would exhibit outside of captivity, inside of captivity. That's why lion tamers can still get mauled during a show, and one of the reasons we don't adopt baby raccoons.

Also:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C02E5D91130F933A05750C0A96F958260&sec=health&spon=&pagewanted=1 (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C02E5D91130F933A05750C0A96F958260&sec=health&spon=&pagewanted=1)
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Gorman Conall on March 13, 2008, 02:49:18 pm
Thats true Serdun there is a slight chance of that happening. Most of the time though it was ether already aggressive or very hungry. That said i merely needed a metaphor to make my point and i used wolves because i actually know a few people that have raised them from birth.

Its awful that the kid did but i seriously doubt it was because the message out there is its horrible to be gay.

I have been approached far more times then i wanted to by homosexual males. Now if they ask i would simply say no, But every single one of them was aggressive pushy and touchy, To the point that i would have to threaten them to back off me. Many of my friends and family have had experiences like that to.

Whether Larry was like that i do not know. You rarely ever hear the whole story though.

EDIT: OH don't even get me started on on how the world views homosexuals. Its COOL to be gay now and many teenage females and emo boys pretend to be and lie about it to be cool!.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Werechicken on March 13, 2008, 03:35:53 pm
Actually domesticated dogs have had their aggression and their instinct to attack bred out of them, wolves have not. A wolf raised in captivity will still have these instincts.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Doctor Z on March 13, 2008, 03:39:51 pm
I think the fake-gay emos do it because they're looking for a plausible reason to be so depressing (they're persecuted for being "gay")

And the teenage girls do it because they thinks it's "right" that the mans pleasure comes first. And what man can HONESTLY say that he doesn't.... er... "like" lesbians?
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Brandonazz on March 13, 2008, 04:29:22 pm
A good portion of men don't drool over lesbians; it's just become expected.

And I had no idea Gorman was under the delusion that gays are constantly hitting on him.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Uroboros on March 13, 2008, 05:52:03 pm
Its awful that the kid did but i seriously doubt it was because the message out there is its horrible to be gay.
No, but its a contributing factor that groups can largely claim homosexuality as an abomination without being pushed down. Right to free speech? Yeah, thats all cool, except when other people exercising similar free speech get sued into the floor for it. This thread was started on a political member saying these things, not just a random person on the streets gassing their opinions to their own friends. Treating any group of people as a subhuman/abomination caste is not cool, regardless of who it is. Whilst there is a good number of people who are mature enough to say "Its none of my business who people I dont know sleep with", there are also a good number of people who are still doing the brainless rabid hating too.

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Whether Larry was like that i do not know. You rarely ever hear the whole story though.
Still, murder for anything like that is so far over the line there that its gone off the horizon, done a full orbit and landed again :P

And I had no idea Gorman was under the delusion that gays are constantly hitting on him.
Why do you assume delusion, especially given you dont know him? Nice kneejerk.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Brandonazz on March 13, 2008, 06:01:38 pm
Kneejerk? He acts as if the gay community as a whole conspires against him, his friends, and his family.

That is neither here nor there, though.

But in reference to the statement that being gay is considered socially acceptable and "cool," (a la GC) here's a link on a somewhat amusing news story.

Finalist Arrested for Calling Police Horse Gay (http://www.oxfordstudent.com/tt2005wk6/News/finalist_arrested_for_calling_police_horse_%27gay%27)
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Doctor Z on March 13, 2008, 06:04:35 pm
A good portion of men don't drool over lesbians; it's just become expected.

And I had no idea Gorman was under the delusion that gays are constantly hitting on him.
The perception has become the reality. In this case, the perception is that all men drool over lesbians. The perceivers are the girls who are faking it. The rest of my statement is neither here nor there.


About the news story.... Er... Funny, but also... strange.....
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Kishmond on March 13, 2008, 06:42:56 pm
Gay people aren't evil, but they sure as anything creep me out.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Gorman Conall on March 14, 2008, 01:23:36 am
Kneejerk? He acts as if the gay community as a whole conspires against him, his friends, and his family.

That is neither here nor there, though.

But in reference to the statement that being gay is considered socially acceptable and "cool," (a la GC) here's a link on a somewhat amusing news story.

Finalist Arrested for Calling Police Horse Gay (http://www.oxfordstudent.com/tt2005wk6/News/finalist_arrested_for_calling_police_horse_%27gay%27)

Heres an idea!!. Don't put words in my mouth and make asinine assumptions. I'm not acting like the gay community is conspiring anything against  anybody. Just stating my personal experiences with them and the storys my friends and family have told me.

Simmer down Your not my type anyway Brandonazz  :-*




I know killings never right i never meant it like that. I just mean we weren't told the whole story

How the kid kill him etc.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Daxx on March 14, 2008, 02:01:52 am
Man, I love the word asinine. It's one of those words you see so much on the internet because 14 year-olds love to trot it out after they first hear it.

Also, I remember that story. ;D One of our newsreaders came in with that story as a segment during our show and I spent the next week lamenting the quality of Oxford journalism.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Krakow Sam on March 14, 2008, 03:36:10 am
Thats true Serdun there is a slight chance of that happening. Most of the time though it was ether already aggressive or very hungry. That said i merely needed a metaphor to make my point and i used wolves because i actually know a few people that have raised them from birth.

Its awful that the kid did but i seriously doubt it was because the message out there is its horrible to be gay.

I have been approached far more times then i wanted to by homosexual males. Now if they ask i would simply say no, But every single one of them was aggressive pushy and touchy, To the point that i would have to threaten them to back off me. Many of my friends and family have had experiences like that to.

Whether Larry was like that i do not know. You rarely ever hear the whole story though.

EDIT: OH don't even get me started on on how the world views homosexuals. Its COOL to be gay now and many teenage females and emo boys pretend to be and lie about it to be cool!.

I'm going to wager that the asshats that are "pushy" with you aren't that way because they're gay, its because they're asshats. You're taking a few isolated cases and using them as a basis for your opinion of an entire demographic. You may as well say they were acting like tools because they had pale skin , or because they parted their hair to the left.
Also, what's the problem with pretending to be gay to be cool? Sure, its never a good idea for people to be dishonset with themselves, but unless you're already of the opinion that theres something wrong with homosexuals (as you obviously are) then theres no reason to be upset about it.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: SmileyMan on March 14, 2008, 08:40:15 am
Thats true Serdun there is a slight chance of that happening. Most of the time though it was ether already aggressive or very hungry. That said i merely needed a metaphor to make my point and i used wolves because i actually know a few people that have raised them from birth.

Its awful that the kid did but i seriously doubt it was because the message out there is its horrible to be gay.

I have been approached far more times then i wanted to by homosexual males. Now if they ask i would simply say no, But every single one of them was aggressive pushy and touchy, To the point that i would have to threaten them to back off me. Many of my friends and family have had experiences like that to.

Whether Larry was like that i do not know. You rarely ever hear the whole story though.

EDIT: OH don't even get me started on on how the world views homosexuals. Its COOL to be gay now and many teenage females and emo boys pretend to be and lie about it to be cool!.

Also, what's the problem with pretending to be gay to be cool? Sure, its never a good idea for people to be dishonset with themselves, but unless you're already of the opinion that theres something wrong with homosexuals (as you obviously are) then theres no reason to be upset about it.

I don't know about Gorman, but I have no respect for people who are dishonest with themselves about anything, whether homosexuality, smoking or religion, if the goal behind it is to become accepted by their social circle (Be cool). It disgusts me.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Gorman Conall on March 14, 2008, 12:35:45 pm
Smiley man hit the nail on the head.

And Krakow I'm not assuming the entire gay demographic is like that. But i do have to make the assumption that because EVERY gay male i have ever met was like that then its probable that a lot of them for whatever reason do act that way. I can't explain to you why, other then all of them seemed to take pride that they were gay and acted as if they had large egos, Me turning them down seemed to hit a soft spot so they would try harder and harder until they would finally start trying to touch me sexually. Thats where i draw the line and warn them that they will pull back a broken hand if they try that again.

I suppose ill just ignores Daxxs usual indirect so i can hide behind the rest of my post potshot.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: blitzonator on March 14, 2008, 02:02:24 pm
Lets all see Pat condell's Opinion!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReYfDlIa-Z8

Wow Pat, you really hit the mark.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Mr. Consideration on March 14, 2008, 02:09:10 pm
I've found gays are often overtly proud to show that they are unashamed; because they are scared and intimidated they want to show they are comfortable with thier own sexuality. They encounter a lot of hostility in life.

I despise people who pretend to be homosexual. They generally find bisexual easier, because then they can be cool and straight, hurrah.
My rule is 'Unless you've been gay with someone, you're not gay."

Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: SmileyMan on March 14, 2008, 02:16:40 pm
Lets all see Pat condell's Opinion!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReYfDlIa-Z8

Wow Pat, you really hit the mark.

Pat rocks.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Gorman Conall on March 14, 2008, 03:56:39 pm
Yep pat rocks.

I love watching videos of truly ignorant stupid people ramble its always entertaining  :D. Though sometimes i gotta wonder what is the incentive and motive behind their actions.

(I'm not referring to homosexuals.)

Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Brandonazz on March 14, 2008, 04:09:57 pm
Do you think of that video as a "truly ignorant stupid person rambling."

Or did you just mean in general?
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Gorman Conall on March 14, 2008, 04:16:10 pm
Do you think of that video as a "truly ignorant stupid person rambling."

Or did you just mean in general?

Both actually.

Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Brandonazz on March 14, 2008, 04:17:39 pm
Glad we cleared that up.

I'm glad you posted that video, blitz, I haven't seen this guy before. I'm watching another now.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: SmileyMan on March 14, 2008, 04:18:48 pm

truly ignorant stupid people ramble :D.



Self-irony. It's quite amusing that such an opinion is held by a theist.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Gorman Conall on March 14, 2008, 04:27:14 pm

truly ignorant stupid people ramble :D.



Self-irony. It's quite amusing that such an opinion is held by a theist.

Oh right..so his senseless and uneducated and unnecessary religion bashing that was unrelated to most of his talk about homosexuals was not in anyway ignorant or stupid? funny..this topic was about being hateful and stupid when it comes to homosexuals..but being hateful and stupid to things YOU believe is also stupid is fine and you support it. Look up the word hypocrite  ::).

Bottom line however is that if you are entitled to post your opinion that he is awesome then i am equally entitled to post my opinion that he is a raving lunatic. And thats all that needs to said on the matter.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: SmileyMan on March 14, 2008, 04:32:12 pm

truly ignorant stupid people ramble :D.



Self-irony. It's quite amusing that such an opinion is held by a theist.

Oh right..so his senseless and uneducated and unnecessary religion bashing that was unrelated to most of his talk about homosexuals was not in anyway ignorant or stupid? funny..this topic was about being hateful and stupid when it comes to homosexuals..but being hateful and stupid to things YOU believe is also stupid is fine and you support it. Look up the word hypocrite  ::).

Bottom line however is that if you are entitled to post your opinion that he is awesome then i am equally entitled to post my opinion that he is a raving lunatic. And thats all that needs to said on the matter.

#1: I was just pointing out a funny fact.

#2: It is not senseless and uneducated. It is rational, logical and witty, all at the same time.

#3: His religion bashing is not unnecessary. I don't know, but maybe you can't see that because you see it from the inside. He points out a lot of problems in modern Europe regarding religion.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Flisch on March 14, 2008, 04:38:20 pm
@Gorman: Being against bashing homosexuals and pro bashing religion is not hypocricy, since homosexuals can't choose to be gay, religious people can choose whether they believe in ~insert any religion here~ or not.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: blitzonator on March 14, 2008, 04:41:12 pm
Actually, homosexuals can choose.

Now, what was the song? Oh!

Bye bye Nazi,
Don't you dare, (Cry)
Cry, a river for me.[/i
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Brandonazz on March 14, 2008, 04:45:51 pm
Thats not entirely accurate Flisch. The amount of people who really "choose" to believe a specific religion, as opposed to being indoctrinated, isn't the vast majority. It is increasingly common, though, that young adults convert to a different religion or subsect from their parents, when they find it flawed or unfulfilling.

The detail that makes your statement valid is that people who do convert are still religious, and capable of becoming nonreligious on their own, as opposed to homosexuals.

EDIT: What, blitz?
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Gorman Conall on March 14, 2008, 04:50:43 pm
@Gorman: Being against bashing homosexuals and pro bashing religion is not hypocricy, since homosexuals can't choose to be gay, religious people can choose whether they believe in ~insert any religion here~ or not.

All depends on what you believe. Thats the entire problem nobody respects anybody's beliefs except the ones they share with each other.

Most of you believe homosexuals are fine they can't choose and its normal thats fine its your opinion.

You guys  bash the hell out of that women because she believes different (and she was really stupid to boot i might add).

If anybody were to admit that they believe homosexuality is wrong and they can choose many of you would have a lynching party.

Now most of you believe religion is stupid. Thats fine its your opinion, But that video was a guy bashing the hell out of religion (and he was really stupid i might add). But hey what do you guys care! you believe what he believes! he is awesome!!!!!.

Thats where the hypocrisy comes in.

Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: blitzonator on March 14, 2008, 04:52:02 pm
Brandon

Just quoting somthing I sang when this bigot was sent out of class for making "Retard jokes".

I was also using it as a pointer to the inaccuracy and predudice of flisch's post. (No offence.)
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Daxx on March 14, 2008, 04:53:39 pm
It's also increasingly common for people to encounter things that cause them to question or doubt their beliefs (though the mindset of the fervently religious may simply discard these entirely), such as meeting people who have different ones, education about philosophy and science, and increased contact with critical thinkers through widening social circles.

Even so, religion is a lifestyle choice even if you have been brought up to believe. In an increasingly secularised society, faith takes more effort, and there is always the opportunity even in the most indoctrinated of individuals to critically examine their own beliefs without external prompting. Homosexuality, by contrast, is a function of your biology and cannot be chosen or changed any more than you could choose or change your eye colour.

EDIT:
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Most of you believe homosexuals are fine they can't choose and its normal thats fine its your opinion.

Actually, this is a matter of scientific concern, and can be verified. To my knowledge no study into attempts to change sexuality has ever turned up evidence that it can be changed. Current scientific thinking theorises that hormonal changes in the womb combined with innate genetic traits can determine sexuality.

I'd get KS in here if I were you, since I believe he's most qualified to explain and verify this.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: B.A.S. on March 14, 2008, 04:58:06 pm
@Gorman: Being against bashing homosexuals and pro bashing religion is not hypocricy, since homosexuals can't choose to be gay, religious people can choose whether they believe in ~insert any religion here~ or not.

All depends on what you believe. Thats the entire problem nobody respects anybody's beliefs except the ones they share with each other.

Most of you believe homosexuals are fine they can't choose and its normal thats fine its your opinion.

You guys  bash the hell out of that women because she believes different (and she was really stupid to boot i might add).

If anybody were to admit that they believe homosexuality is wrong and they can choose many of you would have a lynching party.

Now most of you believe religion is stupid. Thats fine its your opinion, But that video was a guy bashing the hell out of religion (and he was really stupid i might add). But hey what do you guys care! you believe what he believes! he is awesome!!!!!.

Thats where the hypocrisy comes in.



Gorman thats a great point, but its also Human nature to dislike those that dont agree with what you BELIVE in (If i may steal your bold style). I will actual throw out a wild card right now and flat out say I dislike Homosexuals. Ive been around plenty and I will say I have no "Love" for them at all, but im not going to go far enough to say all of them should be shot there people to. Am I against Gay marriage? No. Am I against Homosexual people in general? Quite possibly yes. I would be lying to myself if I said I like Homosexual people. I told my honest truth on the subject, may the "lynching" begin. Now lets make it clear, I have no HATE for Homosexuals I myself just DISLIKE them.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Ultramarine on March 14, 2008, 05:02:44 pm
No shame Durgon, we all have demons. At least you flat out said it instead of holding it in, lying to yourself everytime you post here :P.
Who am I kidding I haven't posted anything worthy here.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Flisch on March 14, 2008, 05:15:42 pm
@Brandon: Yes, you're right, but the difference is, that religious people the opportunity to change/gfive up their religion later, when the influence of their parents isn't so strong anymore.

@Gorman: In my eyes "believing, that ..." is not the same as religion. "believing, that ..." is more like an opinion, while religion is a way to live your life, your daily routine. That means, that you can believe in god, or any other greater being, but that doesn't make you religious, as long as you don't follow randomly set-up rules like praying only in this and that hour, or going to church on each saturday or anything like that. But that's just my opinion.

But hey! Another thread has successfully turned into a bashing religion thread! *makes a note on tally sheet* Darn! Not yet...
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: SmileyMan on March 14, 2008, 05:19:42 pm
@Gorman: Being against bashing homosexuals and pro bashing religion is not hypocricy, since homosexuals can't choose to be gay, religious people can choose whether they believe in ~insert any religion here~ or not.

All depends on what you believe. Thats the entire problem nobody respects anybody's beliefs except the ones they share with each other.

Most of you believe homosexuals are fine they can't choose and its normal thats fine its your opinion.

You guys  bash the hell out of that women because she believes different (and she was really stupid to boot i might add).

If anybody were to admit that they believe homosexuality is wrong and they can choose many of you would have a lynching party.

Now most of you believe religion is stupid. Thats fine its your opinion, But that video was a guy bashing the hell out of religion (and he was really stupid i might add). But hey what do you guys care! you believe what he believes! he is awesome!!!!!.

Thats where the hypocrisy comes in.


With what we know from current science and logic, the "numbers of chance", regarding the (non-)existence of the judea-christian god, are on an atheistic worldview. This is why we believe your beliefs are wrong; it is illogical to believe in them.

(This example is from Richard Dawkin's The God Delusion)
Imagine all the unanswered questions about Big Bang (How, when, why, where etc.), now add an entity creating the Big Bang. This opens up a lot more questions (Why, who, how, where is it from, when was it born, who created it etc.)

It's basically multiplying fractions. You end up with a lot more questions with an entity, than without one, and this causes a dramatic decrease in the chance of one existing. This is why it's illogical to believe in an entity creating the Universe.

Theistic worldviews prosper in the few gaps left open by science.

Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Krakow Sam on March 14, 2008, 06:44:44 pm
I'd get KS in here if I were you, since I believe he's most qualified to explain and verify this.

I have been summoned.

Modern scientific studies have overwhelmingly shown that homosexuality is a matter of biology, not upbringing. A man with gay uncles is more likely to also be gay, regardless of upbringing and regardless of whether he even has contact with said uncles. A man with many older brothers is more likely to be gay, once again, regardless of upbringing.

In my eyes the clincher, however, is the existence of homosexuality and other sexual 'deviancies' in animals.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_animals
Looks like everything from brainy dolphins to essentially mindless fruit fly engage in homosexual behavior. But I guess its just the culture they were raised in, right?

Recently its been looking more and more like your sexual orientation is as rigid as your gender. Sure, it can be changed occasionally, but generally its a messy and painful procedure and it should never be forced on anyone.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: B.A.S. on March 14, 2008, 06:51:31 pm
Yeh ive been told its more about Biology than upbringing. You could live in a Homosexual City and become a perfectly straight human being. I was told it has something to do with how many X/Y Chromosones you get apon creation.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Krakow Sam on March 14, 2008, 06:53:38 pm
Ummm... no.

Extra X and Y chromosomes generally produce weird hemaphrodites and are extremely rare. What causes homosexuality isn't well understood but its probably something in neurological development.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Uroboros on March 14, 2008, 09:47:53 pm
The way I see it, is if homosexuality is a choice, why exactly did they choose to join a group that has a load of pointless hate directed towards them? Maybe some people just like choosing the option that'll get them disowned by their parents? The simple test would be, if you feel sexuality is a choice, decide, right now, to be attracted to the same gender, for 24 hours, to prove your point. Hell, even 12 hours. Do it. No seriously. Right now. Start finding the same gender attractive, right now. No? Oh well then.

Its true that part of HUMAN sexual habits allows us to override physical attraction cues with mental or emotional swaying, or simply seek partnership or just sex with people we find otherwise unattractive. Sexuality is merely who you unconsciously find attractive, on an animal level. If sexual orientation or sexual attraction in any way was a choice, every person would flip the mental switch and suddenly find every last human being attractive, then nobody would have to struggle so hard with the entire sexual attraction facet of having 'relations'.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: 7 who ate 9 on March 14, 2008, 09:56:01 pm
I'm sorry, but I partially agree with Gorman here about that Pat guy. I am not religious, but I don't like plain out religion bashing. I can see how it can derail our society and the way most people think, but it also can give people good morals. Like mormans, a lot of people hate their religion but they sure are nicer then a lot of people I know (don't mean to offend anyone by that). Then again, it would be nice if more people were free thinkers and asked more questions. But maybe some people just literally can't do that. Maybe some people need religion to keep sanity. Because some people really don't care about where we came from, so they would just believe in a religion so they could get on with their lives and use their brains for something else. I personally am the kind of guy that needs to ask questions, but I can understand why some people just flat out don't care.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Yuu on March 14, 2008, 11:40:25 pm
Though I agree with 789 here, I believe that religion isn't just because we can't explain something. It isn't just "for the gaps", as one would call it. There are some information that can be found in religious texts that are quite advanced for their time. Like Egyptian Astronomy, the prediction of one of the two Local Supervoids in the Bible, etc. Now one can say that they got this info from aliens, spirit beings, Atlantis, wild guesses, or whatever, but I'll just leave this quote before I leave:

”It is said that non-physical beings cannot exist. A certain rule exists in logic, everything in a non-open space will be logic only if you have all the data to calculate the events with. Will we, as non-physical beings, seem illogical if one does not know all the information?

There is but one way to see the universe as logical, to have all the knowledge about it. But like a book, not all the knowledge about it is sealed within. Some lay outside the book and in the minds of those outside it, especially it's author(s).

Many limit themselves to the universe... and not the ones beyond. Is it not true that some physicals have now been able to simulate reality to an extent? Therefore, is it not logical that we, non-physical beings which are vastly older than the universe itself, be able to simulate reality to the physical universe's extent of believability?

Therefore infallible science can only be achieved through knowledge beyond the subject(universe) itself.”


bye.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Mr. Consideration on March 15, 2008, 12:57:00 am
There is but one way to see the universe as logical, to have all the knowledge about it. But like a book, not all the knowledge about it is sealed within. Some lay outside the book and in the minds of those outside it, especially it's author(s).

Many limit themselves to the universe... and not the ones beyond. Is it not true that some physicals have now been able to simulate reality to an extent? Therefore, is it not logical that we, non-physical beings which are vastly older than the universe itself, be able to simulate reality to the physical universe's extent of believability?

Therefore infallible science can only be achieved through knowledge beyond the subject(universe) itself.”

bye.

I don't think you can debate science using vague metaphors.

At the end of the day, Gorman, the reason people are hostile to your argument it that it is not accepted in modern society to show such prejudice for something people can't change. It's along the same lines as hating black people, or people with Down Syndrome.

People will always be hostile to irrational hate, or prejudice, because it is against everything civilisation should stand for.

Surely, in the Bible, it urges you constantly to Love Thy Neighbour and the like? That friendship and happiness and whatnot shall be your motivation? People seem to ignore the parts about tolerance and friendship and skip right on to smiting homosexuals.

If 'God Hates Fags', why did he 'create' them? Even in your own beliefs, you can't justify a hatred of homosexuality.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: B.A.S. on March 15, 2008, 01:02:03 am
Im sure were going to see some sort of, "The Devil" Created homosexuals. Indeed it seems The Devil is simply a tool to fix the plotholes in the bible or whatever. But then again this is coming from a guy thats never read a page of the bible.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Werechicken on March 15, 2008, 05:21:26 am
Ummm... no.

Extra X and Y chromosomes generally produce weird hermaphrodites and are extremely rare. What causes homosexuality isn't well understood but its probably something in neurological development.
In studies with rats they've found that sometimes a male rat who was born in a litter which consisted of that one male rat and numerous female rats would, for all intents and purposes, be gay. In fact allot of animals can exhibit behave that would be considered homosexual.

However with humans it's a very different, and much more complex issue.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: SmileyMan on March 15, 2008, 08:12:10 am
Though I agree with 789 here, I believe that religion isn't just because we can't explain something. It isn't just "for the gaps", as one would call it. There are some information that can be found in religious texts that are quite advanced for their time. Like Egyptian Astronomy, the prediction of one of the two Local Supervoids in the Bible, etc. Now one can say that they got this info from aliens, spirit beings, Atlantis, wild guesses, or whatever, but I'll just leave this quote before I leave:

”It is said that non-physical beings cannot exist. A certain rule exists in logic, everything in a non-open space will be logic only if you have all the data to calculate the events with. Will we, as non-physical beings, seem illogical if one does not know all the information?

There is but one way to see the universe as logical, to have all the knowledge about it. But like a book, not all the knowledge about it is sealed within. Some lay outside the book and in the minds of those outside it, especially it's author(s).

Many limit themselves to the universe... and not the ones beyond. Is it not true that some physicals have now been able to simulate reality to an extent? Therefore, is it not logical that we, non-physical beings which are vastly older than the universe itself, be able to simulate reality to the physical universe's extent of believability?

Therefore infallible science can only be achieved through knowledge beyond the subject(universe) itself.”


bye.

You act as if you won an argument with that quote containing nothing but pocket-philosophy, which can be used forever to support the existence of non-physical beings, no matter how much knowledge we have about the Universe. The fact, that you're willing to live your life in the belief, that some non-physical entity, which has no factual evidence supporting it, created and watches over the world, is mysterious to me. How about believing in the Flying Spaghetti Monster instead? It has less followers, but it sounds much more tasty than "God".

I'd also like for you to cite your source of the Local Supervoids thing, because I couldn't find anything about it on Google.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Samog on March 15, 2008, 11:12:11 am
Though I agree with 789 here, I believe that religion isn't just because we can't explain something. It isn't just "for the gaps", as one would call it. There are some information that can be found in religious texts that are quite advanced for their time. Like Egyptian Astronomy, the prediction of one of the two Local Supervoids in the Bible, etc. Now one can say that they got this info from aliens, spirit beings, Atlantis, wild guesses, or whatever, but I'll just leave this quote before I leave:

”It is said that non-physical beings cannot exist. A certain rule exists in logic, everything in a non-open space will be logic only if you have all the data to calculate the events with. Will we, as non-physical beings, seem illogical if one does not know all the information?

There is but one way to see the universe as logical, to have all the knowledge about it. But like a book, not all the knowledge about it is sealed within. Some lay outside the book and in the minds of those outside it, especially it's author(s).

Many limit themselves to the universe... and not the ones beyond. Is it not true that some physicals have now been able to simulate reality to an extent? Therefore, is it not logical that we, non-physical beings which are vastly older than the universe itself, be able to simulate reality to the physical universe's extent of believability?

Therefore infallible science can only be achieved through knowledge beyond the subject(universe) itself.”


bye.
The Egyptians weren't unique in being curious about the stars. Now one can say that the cultures with knowledge of astronomy got this info from observations, math, other people, or whatever, but I'll just leave this quote before I leave:

"Given that supernatural powers exist, people who say that supernatural powers do not exist are wrong."

bye.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: SmileyMan on March 15, 2008, 11:29:58 am

"Given that supernatural powers exist, people who say that supernatural powers do not exist are wrong."

bye.

Hah. Made me smile.  :)
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Brandonazz on March 15, 2008, 11:44:15 am
Likewise.

And Werechicken, we weren't talking about rats, we were talking about humans.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: PikMini on March 15, 2008, 12:12:52 pm
Lololololol gay people are funny.  She.. is not tho...
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Werechicken on March 15, 2008, 02:02:31 pm
Likewise.

And Werechicken, we weren't talking about rats, we were talking about humans.
If you read what I put at the end of my post, I acknowledged tat, please read the whole thing next time. Also my point was that there have been some studies done to determine the origins of homosexuality. The fact that homosexual behavior occurs in other animals is a clear sign that it is not 'unnatural' and therefore is of some relevance to the debate.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Brandonazz on March 15, 2008, 03:06:49 pm
Perhaps you should learn to say what you mean then. Talking about the sexuality of rats does not instantly imply that humans have similar sexuality. And because I did in fact read the entire post, you explicitly state that humans are different and more complex. So what you said and what you claim to imply contradict each other.

If you have any intention of contributing to a conversation, make it clear what you're saying, and be aware that the social dynamics of humans aren't mirrors of every other animal. If your final clause can be interpreted as that, your entire post is nigh moot.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Werechicken on March 15, 2008, 03:40:46 pm
Calm down, no need to get worked up. I merely added that to point out it wasn't such a simple issue, and if you don't believe that god created humanity in his image then it should be logical to use animals as a basis for studying aspects of human behavior.

Many behavioral characteristics of humans are studied in animals and as such contribute to our understanding of that behavior in humans, from behavior such as rape and theft to love and compassion.

As for the clarity of what I'm saying I suppose that could be open to interpretation.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Daxx on March 15, 2008, 04:35:21 pm
and be aware that the social dynamics of humans aren't mirrors of every other animal. If your final clause can be interpreted as that, your entire post is nigh moot.

Actually this is not strictly true. Animals can be used as (despite what the animal rights lot will tell you) very good models of humans in most respects. The only things which animals cannot model, or at least with any degree of accuracy, are the higher brain functions.

Now, considering that other matters of sexuality are not really a matter of reasoning and self-awareness, but are at heart derived from our biological urges, then it makes sense to consider the origins of homosexuality on a more basic level. When we observe animals acting homosexually, we can infer from that that homosexual behaviour may be something found throughout the animal kingdom and the implication is - since animals cannot make a choice after a line of reasoning - that it is something hard-wired at birth and not related to choice at all.

I believe that's where Werechicken's line of reasoning was going.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Serdun on March 15, 2008, 04:45:47 pm
and be aware that the social dynamics of humans aren't mirrors of every other animal. If your final clause can be interpreted as that, your entire post is nigh moot.
Actually this is not strictly true.

It is, in fact, strictly true. He said every other animal. The converse of his statement is that the behaviors of humans do mimic every other animal. Have the courtesy to actually address the point made in the quote you posted.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Yokto on March 15, 2008, 05:33:38 pm
If anybody were to admit that they believe homosexuality is wrong and they can choose many of you would have a lynching party.

In what way would it be wrong? The only way i can see it as wrong is if you wish to reproduce.

You can try and try that way but you will not have any kids. That is easily solve however. One just have to do it the traditional way then go back to once preferred sex. And is not like we really need more people on this earth anyway.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Crazen on March 15, 2008, 05:51:18 pm
And is not like we really need more people on this earth anyway.[/i]


thats what im saying! lets sterilize Africa and India!
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Kcronos on March 15, 2008, 06:20:40 pm
@Gorman: Being against bashing homosexuals and pro bashing religion is not hypocricy, since homosexuals can't choose to be gay, religious people can choose whether they believe in ~insert any religion here~ or not.

All depends on what you believe. Thats the entire problem nobody respects anybody's beliefs except the ones they share with each other.

Most of you believe homosexuals are fine they can't choose and its normal thats fine its your opinion.

You guys  bash the hell out of that women because she believes different (and she was really stupid to boot i might add).

If anybody were to admit that they believe homosexuality is wrong and they can choose many of you would have a lynching party.

Now most of you believe religion is stupid. Thats fine its your opinion, But that video was a guy bashing the hell out of religion (and he was really stupid i might add). But hey what do you guys care! you believe what he believes! he is awesome!!!!!.

Thats where the hypocrisy comes in.



Gorman thats a great point, but its also Human nature to dislike those that dont agree with what you BELIVE in (If i may steal your bold style). I will actual throw out a wild card right now and flat out say I dislike Homosexuals. Ive been around plenty and I will say I have no "Love" for them at all, but im not going to go far enough to say all of them should be shot there people to. Am I against Gay marriage? No. Am I against Homosexual people in general? Quite possibly yes. I would be lying to myself if I said I like Homosexual people. I told my honest truth on the subject, may the "lynching" begin. Now lets make it clear, I have no HATE for Homosexuals I myself just DISLIKE them.

Hmmm... Lets say that skin color is not a choice.  Homosexuality is not a choice.  Therefore, anologies can be made with them to see if certain statements are offensive.  Here, I took your argument, and exchanged some key words.  Is this statement discriminatory?

Gorman thats a great point, but its also Human nature to dislike those that dont agree with what you BELIVE in (If i may steal your bold style). I will actual throw out a wild card right now and flat out say I dislike black people. Ive been around plenty and I will say I have no "Love" for them at all, but im not going to go far enough to say all of them should be shot there people to. Am I against black rights? No. Am I against black people in general? Quite possibly yes. I would be lying to myself if I said I like black people. I told my honest truth on the subject, may the "lynching" begin. Now lets make it clear, I have no HATE for n****** I myself just DISLIKE them.

Do you get my point?  What people do in bed have no effect upon their personality UNLESS society treats them differently.


Another thing I hate is how people say that bisexuals are "experimenting", or "bi-curious".  It's just wrong!
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: B.A.S. on March 15, 2008, 06:32:59 pm
That was great it made me laugh. But ive noticed a large difference between STRAIGHT black people and Homosexuals in general.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Ultramarine on March 15, 2008, 06:35:08 pm
I have noticed as well :o!
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Uroboros on March 15, 2008, 07:18:48 pm
n******
Thats where your example took a big bump. Calling a homosexual a homosexual isnt an offensive slur.

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Do you get my point?  What people do in bed have no effect upon their personality UNLESS society treats them differently.
Actually personality and attitude can easily be effected by sexuality, or rather, shape personalities and attitudes differently, in the same way that being raised in different places of the world can have knock-on effects to a person. And im not just talking accents there. Some gays do come on far too strong, as Gorman claimed to have experienced, sometimes its just the a stereotypical 'manly man' attitude but directed at the same gender instead of the opposite gender, sometimes its a belief that men are easier to seduce, or that they can 'turn you gay'. Yes, I did just say that, some do have those kinds of attitudes. What you have to consider though, is that every group will have their crackpots, and even if using your higher mind, you can understand they dont represent their group as a whole, you cant deny that they DO represent the group in some way nevertheless.

Just as there are many chilled out religious people who keep their own business to themselves, despite whatever religious material they claim to follow, there will always be vocal, frustrating crazies too. The same applies to homosexuality. A good number of the regular, vocal posters here have used the bolder negative examples of religion in our discussions of religion in general... so it would be very bad form to deny the existance of similar terrible examples in homosexuality, simply because the subject at hand is about them being mistreated.

I know im always a sucker for doing the big-brotherly sticking up for the underdog routine, but Gorman, from what I have seen, is one of the religious posters who sticks around and actually has made a fair few counterpoints in the face of daunting numbers, without dropping into circular reasoning or "im right because im right" routines. Have a touchy-feely reminder to try not to avalanche this too much, on the house. ;)
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Daxx on March 15, 2008, 07:30:40 pm
and be aware that the social dynamics of humans aren't mirrors of every other animal. If your final clause can be interpreted as that, your entire post is nigh moot.
Actually this is not strictly true.

It is, in fact, strictly true. He said every other animal. The converse of his statement is that the behaviors of humans do mimic every other animal. Have the courtesy to actually address the point made in the quote you posted.

Hahaha.

Oh wait, you were being serious.

Actually, the converse of the statement being that humans mirror every other animal does not necessarily imply perfection in mirroring, which makes me technically correct even if you're striving to nit-pick. Since my post actually addressed this point, kindly either contribute something of worth to the thread or die in a fire.

Of course, this couldn't be farther from the point of his post, which was that animal models aren't good indicators of human behaviour.

Incidentally, "every other animal" could be interpreted as half the animals, meaning every second animal.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: B.A.S. on March 15, 2008, 07:46:42 pm
Uroboros said it well, the experiences Ive had with gay people is that they tried to convert me. Hell I remember one time I was with my girlfriend a good one year ago and she had a gayfriend. No problem I would suck it up and maybe he would be different from the others turned out he wasnt. He constantly assaulted both of us and almost seemed to mock us that we were not gay. Like I said I have no hatred for them but I am defenitly far more comfortable when there are no gays around.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Daxx on March 15, 2008, 07:49:48 pm
I suppose you've never tried to hit on a lesbian ever, though. ;)
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Kcronos on March 15, 2008, 07:52:45 pm
*Sigh

The point I was trying to make is to not just judge people by their sexuality.

I have a cousin who's gay, and she and her girlfriend are very nice people.  They don't fit the stereotypes at all.

And when it comes to "OMG!! TEH GAYS WANT TEH SODOMIZE MEH CHILDREN!", you are probably imagining things.  Your past prejudices made you believe that they were coming on to you.

You cannot say that you like/hate an entire race or people.  That is called racism.  Its bad.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: B.A.S. on March 15, 2008, 07:56:21 pm
At no one point did I ever say that I hate the entire race of Gays infact I think I made it pretty clear I have no HATE towards gays I simply dislike those that I have encountered so of course I have formed the opinion that the large majority of there population will be the same way. As for hitting on lesbians I have never done it intentionally I would be a hypocrite if I did so.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Serdun on March 15, 2008, 08:10:19 pm
Actually, the converse of the statement being that humans mirror every other animal does not necessarily imply perfection in mirroring, which makes me technically correct

No, because human beings do not, in fact, mirror all animals.

even if you're striving to nit-pick.
I apologize, not everyone has the mastery of this fine art you seem to possess. I guess I'll never know the sublime joy of informing people of the difference between sapience/sentience, or feel proud knowing I've made the world better by clearing up how to refer to LEGO in plural. It seems I can only strive.

You keep on fighting the good fight!

Since my post actually addressed this point, kindly either contribute something of worth to the thread or die in a fire.

Yeesh.

Well, if you insist...

What you have to consider though, is that every group will have their crackpots, and even if using your higher mind, you can understand they dont represent their group as a whole, you cant deny that they DO represent the group in some way nevertheless.

But can you really define someone by a group they were born into, and didn't choose to join? If a homosexual has no choice but to be gay, he's not in the group by any conscious decision; this contrasts with, say, a member of PETA, who joined because of his concern for animals, or a member of the ACLU, because of concern for civil liberties, or the bar, or the Rotarians. Groups people choose to join are usually united by a common cause and must hold some kind of similar ideal, while the only thing that a homosexual must have to be deemed a homosexual is an innate attraction for members of his/her own gender. Similarities past that would occur because they belong in a voluntary group; "pushy" homosexuals, "flamboyant" homosexuals, or homosexuals who behave the same way that most heterosexuals do.

It's the same thing with the high crime rate among black people; it clearly has nothing to do with having more pigment in the skin than other non-voluntary groups of people, but has more to do with many black people being in a group of black people who have been raised in a dangerous environment because of poverty, and who have since decided to become criminals. One shouldn't let a voluntary, criminal group of black people represent all African-Americans, just as one shouldn't let an overly flamboyant group of homosexuals represent all homosexuals.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Samog on March 15, 2008, 08:30:33 pm
At no one point did I ever say that I hate the entire race of Gays infact I think I made it pretty clear I have no HATE towards gays I simply dislike those that I have encountered so of course I have formed the opinion that the large majority of there population will be the same way. As for hitting on lesbians I have never done it intentionally I would be a hypocrite if I did so.
the entire race of Gays
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: B.A.S. on March 15, 2008, 08:36:12 pm
You going to nit-pick? You know perfectly well what I ment.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Werechicken on March 15, 2008, 08:48:32 pm
Actually, the converse of the statement being that humans mirror every other animal does not necessarily imply perfection in mirroring, which makes me technically correct
No, because human beings do not, in fact, mirror all animals.
As long as we're going by the classical definition of animal, I.E. mammals, reptiles, amphibians and birds, then yes many of our behavioral characteristics do, in fact, mirrors animals. If you look at any behavioral psychology text then I'm sure you'll find countlees studies of human behavior using animals as a basis of study.

even if you're striving to nit-pick.
I apologize, not everyone has the mastery of this fine art you seem to possess. I guess I'll never know the sublime joy of informing people of the difference between sapience/sentience, or feel proud knowing I've made the world better by clearing up how to refer to LEGO in plural. It seems I can only strive.

You keep on fighting the good fight!
Having a working knowledge of the English language is not a form of arrogance, despite what you're implying.

Since my post actually addressed this point, kindly either contribute something of worth to the thread or die in a fire.
Yeesh.

Well, if you insist...
Actually I'll agree with you on that one, Daxx that was a little out of line...
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Met on March 15, 2008, 08:52:03 pm
Since my post actually addressed this point, kindly either contribute something of worth to the thread or die in a fire.
Yeesh.

Well, if you insist...
Actually I'll agree with you on that one, Daxx that was a little out of line...

Oh, you just got to know how to work with him (http://youtube.com/watch?v=rIt1LfMntro). (Part relevant to Daxx starts about 43 seconds in)
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: 7 who ate 9 on March 15, 2008, 10:23:06 pm
The thing is, insulting homosexuals can be different that insulting races because homosexuals do act different then other people. At least, a good majority of them do. That isn't a bad thing, I love the happy personality, but some people don't. Still, not all homosexuals are like that so people need to stop assuming things and just wait until they know the person.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Uroboros on March 15, 2008, 10:54:33 pm
I suppose you've never tried to hit on a lesbian ever, though. ;)
But simply hitting on someone, trying your luck despite the sexuality gap, is very different than going as far to jam your hand in their crotch to try the "arousal" seduction method. People of every orientation tend to respond with hostility to that unless they're "into" it, its a gamble and the risks are high to begin with, and thats even before you try it on someone who doesnt even consider your gender sexually attractive as a default. There are lines, y'know? :P
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Crazen on March 15, 2008, 11:15:25 pm
on that topic, in a recent survey, girls using pick-up lines worked 100% of the time, as apposed to the 40%-60%  success rate when guys use them.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Daxx on March 16, 2008, 03:30:14 am
Well, I think Werechicken pretty much covered this one, but let's just drive the point home. Of course, this would be easier if Brandonazz clarified that his point was in relation to the problems with animal models, but since I'm right either way I guess I'll just have to do it the long way.

Actually, the converse of the statement being that humans mirror every other animal does not necessarily imply perfection in mirroring, which makes me technically correct

No, because human beings do not, in fact, mirror all animals.

Reading comprehension 101. Let's say you have an imperfect mirror - it does not display all the characteristics of the original, but does display at least some. Now, we therefore require (and I will quite happily go right down to definitions on this one since we're already in that area) simply one characteristic which is similar between all animals and ourselves for us to consider mirroring to be taking place.

From wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn:
(n) animal, a living organism characterized by voluntary movement

Or from Wikipedia:
Animals are a major group of multicellular, eukaryotic organisms of the kingdom Animalia or Metazoa. Their body plan becomes fixed as they develop, usually early on in their development as embryos, although some undergo a process of metamorphosis later on in their life. Most animals are motile - they can move spontaneously and independently. Animals are heterotrophs - they are dependent on other organisms (e.g. plants) for sustenance.

I believe those definitions demonstrate at least one shared characteristic. You pick which ever one works for you.

even if you're striving to nit-pick.
I apologize, not everyone has the mastery of this fine art you seem to possess. I guess I'll never know the sublime joy of informing people of the difference between sapience/sentience, or feel proud knowing I've made the world better by clearing up how to refer to LEGO in plural. It seems I can only strive.

You keep on fighting the good fight!

There is a fine art to being right. Perhaps you'd like to limit yourself to nit-picking when you are. 8)
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Brandonazz on March 16, 2008, 06:17:33 am
I haven't clarified because this is truly too entertaining to pass up.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Serdun on March 16, 2008, 06:25:17 am
Reading comprehension 101. Let's say you have an imperfect mirror - it does not display all the characteristics of the original, but does display at least some.

Perhaps you should have specified which type of mirroring you referred to in your original response to Brandon's post. A little nit-picking of your own posts would often clear up what you write greatly.

And in my second response, I should have cleared up what I meant by mirroring:

No, because human beings do not, in fact, mirror all animals.

Here, I'll admit, I made the same mistake Daxx did. What I should have said was:

No, because the social dynamics of human beings do not, in fact, mirror all animals.

Even if we're working by Daxx's very broad version of "mirror," I'm not sure what similarities there are between human social dynamics and let's say, the social dynamics of cockroaches or angler fish; this is unless, of course, he tries to claim that the social dynamics of cockroaches mirror human behavior, but so imperfectly, that they really do not resemble human behavior at all.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Krakow Sam on March 16, 2008, 06:31:25 am
The thing is, insulting homosexuals can be different that insulting races because homosexuals do act different then other people. At least, a good majority of them do. That isn't a bad thing, I love the happy personality, but some people don't. Still, not all homosexuals are like that so people need to stop assuming things and just wait until they know the person.

Prove it.

Prove that the majority of homosexuals 'act different' to 'other people'. How do you even know? What you've seen of homosexuals is maybe limited to a handful of people you know IRL and the outrageous stereotypes you see on TV. You know, TV, where most black people dress well and love basketball and yell "DAYUM!" and "YOU GO GIRL" and all nerdy people are geniuses in multiple fields etc etc.

Of course homosexuals 'act different' in some ways (the ways that relate to them being attracted to the same sex), but to say that gay people inherently have this mythical happy, camp personality is just ignorant.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: Mae on March 16, 2008, 07:36:31 am
The thing is, insulting homosexuals can be different that insulting races because homosexuals do act different then other people. At least, a good majority of them do. That isn't a bad thing, I love the happy personality, but some people don't. Still, not all homosexuals are like that so people need to stop assuming things and just wait until they know the person.

Prove it.

Prove that the majority of homosexuals 'act different' to 'other people'. How do you even know? What you've seen of homosexuals is maybe limited to a handful of people you know IRL and the outrageous stereotypes you see on TV. You know, TV, where most black people dress well and love basketball and yell "DAYUM!" and "YOU GO GIRL" and all nerdy people are geniuses in multiple fields etc etc.

Of course homosexuals 'act different' in some ways (the ways that relate to them being attracted to the same sex), but to say that gay people inherently have this mythical happy, camp personality is just ignorant.

Or talk with a lisp. (But some inherently do? From my personal experience.)
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: MetallicDragon on March 16, 2008, 11:28:57 am
The only one I know seems perfectly normal except with a softer voice and slightly different wardrobe. Of course, I know many other people that talk much stranger and dress even stranger, so to me he seems perfectly normal.
Title: Re: Homosexuals are evil
Post by: 7 who ate 9 on March 16, 2008, 12:06:46 pm
The thing is, insulting homosexuals can be different that insulting races because homosexuals do act different then other people. At least, a good majority of them do. That isn't a bad thing, I love the happy personality, but some people don't. Still, not all homosexuals are like that so people need to stop assuming things and just wait until they know the person.

Prove it.

Prove that the majority of homosexuals 'act different' to 'other people'. How do you even know? What you've seen of homosexuals is maybe limited to a handful of people you know IRL and the outrageous stereotypes you see on TV. You know, TV, where most black people dress well and love basketball and yell "DAYUM!" and "YOU GO GIRL" and all nerdy people are geniuses in multiple fields etc etc.

Of course homosexuals 'act different' in some ways (the ways that relate to them being attracted to the same sex), but to say that gay people inherently have this mythical happy, camp personality is just ignorant.

I admit that I am wrong there, I was just saying I can kind of see where some people are coming from, I in no way think all gay people act the same. My grade makes me so angry, pretty much everyone I know is homophobic. I think I would rather have it "cool" to be gay then to have a bunch of people talking about how stupid this "homo" was (because you know, its cool to say homo  ::) ) and making jokes about anyone that is sad, calling them "emo" and telling them to "go cut yourself"