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Everything Else / Re: News for your Blues
« on: April 05, 2009, 02:31:34 am »
-You give the explanation yourself as to why it is not aluminum, in order for aluminum to change colour it would have to reach blast furnace temperatures, but you claim the temperatures were only 1100f, and at 1100f molten aluminum looks like liquid silver, it is very distinctly silvery looking.

Here you have aluminum at the temperature you claim the fires burned at  <----> and here you have it at blast furnace temperature.

I believe the temperatures were at blast furnace+ degrees in those towers at some points in time, but thats because I believe thermate was used wich burns at extreme temperatures, but how would you explain the temperature being hot enough for the flowing molten metal to be aluminum ??

-Here is a clip from the Naudet brothers video in relation to the blown out lobby, this is 90+ floors below where the airplane hit, and please dont say jet fuel traveled down the elevators, the fuel burned off long before the heat could even remotely start to effect anything about the elevator cables or brakes, there are offcause many eye and earwitness reports that give alternate explanations, but since this was a deviation from the topic to begin with then I wont deviate any further unless we must.
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-And again, the buckling of the exterior does not equal sagging floors heated by jet fuel, its an event that can be caused by many things.

-Im not sure how much clearer I can make it in regards to the report, the heat required to produce the residue found in the WTC dust is not consistent with a jet fuel fire.

-Concluding that the vietnamese started the war because they lived in Vietnam, is like concluding that the Iraqis started the present war because they live in Iraq, nonsense.

-Have you read any of the reports from the survivors ? here is a quote from one of them :"If it was an accident, it was the best planned accident I've ever heard of"

-How does "trading with the enemy in a time of war" not equal treason ??

Poised, do you honestly think any government is competant enough to cover someth

Heh that right there boggles my mind every day :)

Everything Else / Re: News for your Blues
« on: April 04, 2009, 06:31:48 pm »
Molten aluminum will have a silvery glare to it, the metal flowing out from the tower just before the collapse did not have that glow, instead it had the colouration of thermite, furthermore there were pools of molten metal below all three buildings weeks after 9/11, you dont get molten metal from 1100f fires, so no I dont believe the molten metal was aluminum.

The video does present an interesting point about the visibly bent exterior, but that does not mean that the interior had been weakened by fires and hence caused the collapse(s), the evidence for that theory is infinitely thinner than the theory it tries to debunk, its a theoretical possibility, but its definitely not fact by any stretch of the meaning of that word. It fails to explain or debunk any of the observed anomalies, like the molten metal, and how the lobby was blown out like a bomb had gone off when FDNY arrived, the myriad of testimonies reporting bombs going off, not to mention why WTC7 collapsed under even more suspicious circumstances.
The video takes one single incident, and then it spins all kinds of theories around it, non of wich have yet to be proven, the walls could also have given in in that fashion if the support had been removed with thermate, like the flowing metal prior to the collapse below the break line would suggest.

Its not easy to really see what is going on with that top chunk, since for some reason the concrete all around it turned into dust obscuring the view.

And again the thermate, the options you put forth does not explain the specifics of their findings like this one : "4. Iron oxide appears in faceted grains roughly 100 nm across whereas the aluminum appears in thin platelike structures. The small size of the iron oxide particles qualifies the material to be characterized as nanothermite or super-thermite.", I trust these guys know what they talk about when they describe the tell tale sign of a thermate reaction, appearantly small sized iron oxide grains are produced at thermate temperatures, non of what you suggested will result in a temperature as high as thermate.

As for the 3 incidents, people are still taught to this day that the Vietnamese started the Vietnam war, the attack on USS liberty was not as benign as you portray it if you listen to the survisors tell about it, and yes Prescott Bush was convicted for trading with the enemy in a time of war in 1943, in other words treason, and no he didnt father baby Bush, he was the father of one and the grandfather of the other.

Off to bed :)

Everything Else / Re: News for your Blues
« on: April 04, 2009, 09:15:45 am »
Actually, if you watch the collapse of the towers, you can see the way it buckles before collapsing. Look at any footage as close as you can and you see an area bent inwards. Then, it can take no more, snaps, the building starts to fall and kaboom.

Besides, thermitic material just means that aluminium and a ferrous metal were abundantly present in the burning building. Since the outside of a plane is aluminium and there were a lot of ferrous metals in the building, it would be illogical not to find it there.

Finally, do you think a government that couldn't cover up a break-in into a hotel could cover up the amount of men, time, materials, and other things involved in setting up explosives in a building and then having a plane crash into it?

My goodness, man, analyze things critically.

Actually before the corner "buckled" as you say, streams of molten metal was seen and recorded flowing from below that area. I agree with your choice of word when you say kaboom, because the top of the tower first started moving outwards and downwards, only to disappear in a cloud of dust without continuing its outwards momentum, this would either indicate that it did not meet any resistance from below, or that the bottom of the top block was being removed before it could impact with standing tower, so your recollection of that event is not accurate.

I am no scientist at all, but when they conclude that "The red portion of these chips is found to be an unreacted thermitic material and highly energetic.", then I pay attention, because that statement is extremely explosive politically speaking, or it would be if it was being discussed, but like I said, I doubt this will make it anywhere important.

And yes I definitely believe people are able to keep secrets from the masses.
The Gulf of Tonkin incident that started the Vietnam war was a lie, USA started that war, did you know that ?
USS Liberty was attacked and almost wiped out by Isreali fighter planes, did you know that ?
Both Bush Presidents were fathered by a convicted traitor to the USA, did you know that ?
Yes its quite possible for a govornment to keep secrets from its people, they do it all the time, day in day out.

Analyzing things is not the same as getting your information from the television, or from the fictional history we learn in school.

Everything Else / Re: News for your Blues
« on: April 04, 2009, 02:42:53 am »
Looks like another team of researchers found evidence of thermite/thermate in the dust of WTC 1 2 and 7, this was in an article from yesterday, too bad our desire to conform and only say what we hope others will aprove off will silence this eye opener as well, even though its a picture of a smoking gun in the hands of the only people who had acces and opportunity to plant all this thermate beforehand .....

Everything Else / Re: Youtube Video Bonanza
« on: April 04, 2009, 12:34:32 am »
Arab drifting is sorta like regular drifting, but on crack :)

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Everything Else / Re: Youtube Video Bonanza
« on: April 03, 2009, 05:55:27 am »
The 5 6 7 8s as warmup band for the B-52s :)

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Everything Else / Re: utube Video Bonanza
« on: April 01, 2009, 12:55:53 am »
#Invalid YouTube Link#

Im guessing teh missing links r april 1st related ?

Everything Else / Re: Youtube Video Bonanza
« on: March 28, 2009, 02:16:26 am »
Monty rat on the run :)

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PC Games / Re: A: Drive?
« on: March 27, 2009, 03:10:53 pm »
I still have my windows 3.1 on floppies :)

Everything Else / Re: Youtube Video Bonanza
« on: March 27, 2009, 03:24:59 am »
Best online game ever in my honest opinion, when this game was in its prime it ruled supreme, if you were lucky to play in the first few years after launch then you know what Im talking about, my favorit moments when I look back was the huge Galaxy drops we used to make, I was terran, and back then all our weapons except for the locked down pounder were inferior to the other sides weapons, even our vehicles were worse, so we had to resort to brute force and balls of steel, we would regularly drop with 7+ Gals and I loved every second ........ anyway here is a great cinematic video of a base assault, so either sit back and remember the good times, or sit back and see just what you missed out on back then :)

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PC Games / Re: Gaming Keyboard and Mouse
« on: March 26, 2009, 10:14:40 am »
I use cheap keyboards too, my present one is an IBM costing just under 20$, and the only 2 criteria I have for a mouse is a cord and that it has to be optical, dont buy a mouse with a ball in it cause it takes far to long to open and clean when you are in the heat of battle :)

PC Games / Re: Left 4 Dead - Suprise Valve Zombie Game
« on: March 26, 2009, 05:24:45 am »
Thats what turned me off L4D, the Q-lmb-Q-lmb-Q-lmb-Q-lmb spam, especially in that last barn on harvest, I will definitely have to check this out :)

Everything Else / Re: Youtube Video Bonanza
« on: March 26, 2009, 03:23:09 am »
I never knew this guy did all those brilliant voices, genious!

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PC Games / Re: Empire: Total War
« on: March 26, 2009, 01:14:17 am »

Everything Else / Re: Youtube Video Bonanza
« on: March 25, 2009, 06:03:22 am »
Ok this one may be right on the edge of what is acceptable on this fine forum, and if it is then please just remove my post, but it should be safe.

Anyway, this clip is pure WTFLOL .... how women plays the Kazoo :

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