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Offline Plank of Wood

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Re: 2016 Elections
« Reply #2325 on: December 14, 2016, 01:28:15 pm »
Well, I accept that criticism.


What I meant to say "that's not how the specific type of socialism I have chosen to be in this particular debate works".  :P
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Re: 2016 Elections
« Reply #2326 on: December 14, 2016, 02:10:52 pm »
Please inform me if this is mocking crying or happy crying so I can throw a tantrum/circlejerk accordingly.

It was the happy one.

Jerk away, good sir.

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Re: 2016 Elections
« Reply #2327 on: December 14, 2016, 03:06:40 pm »
You folks on the left keep hashing it out, I'll be over in the corner gently rocking back and forth.
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Re: 2016 Elections
« Reply #2328 on: December 14, 2016, 03:10:46 pm »
Ink it's not left and right any more.

It's liberal vs illiberal. Old style small c conservatives are actually liberal compared to Trump or regressive justice losers.
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Re: 2016 Elections
« Reply #2329 on: December 14, 2016, 03:21:16 pm »
Actually it's not left and right. All bend before the might of the donut.


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Re: 2016 Elections
« Reply #2330 on: December 14, 2016, 03:23:27 pm »
British Union of Fascists...

Badass flag? Check.
Harry Potter fans? Check.
Pro-union? Check.

What's not to like?


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Re: 2016 Elections
« Reply #2331 on: December 14, 2016, 05:02:28 pm »

So in your mind it's fine to be openly classist as long as you're "trying to help", and it's fine to throw a fit at poor people as long as they're on the wrong side. That's not how this whole socialism thing works.


Classist, openly classist? What does this mean? When have I been classist or remarked that classism was a thing and the way to go?

I do not hate 'the poor', I do not look down on 'the poor'. I do have disdain and a lack of respect for those that choose to vote against their own interest time and again because they don't like the tone of the other guy or choose to view them as an enemy.
 
As for the last part, would you say the same thing about women rallying against a candidate because he made sexist comments and constantly belittled women, even if on paper he was arguably a better candidate for women? People vote against parties that are rude to them all the time and it's not stupid, unexpected, or even rare.

Yes? If on paper, his voting record, proposed policies, and every indication about him screamed he would push womens rights forward, he just talks like he's from a different era, then yes, I would say the same about those women. If people can say things they don't mean in a positive sense I don't get why we draw the line at a negative one.




Stop blaming the impoverished for the Democrat's shortcomings and take goddamned responsibility for leaving a genuinely disadvantaged and endangered group behind to the claws of right-wing populism.


What? I am not blaming the impoverished? I am blaming the GOP party faithful, the ones that always vote GOP no matter what, the ones that are not fighting for their own rights but instead to take the rights from others. There's a fine line between someone who may or may not vote GOP or Democrat each election and those that go Red no matter who is on the ballot. The 'tea partiers' were not swing voters taken from Democrats, they were hardline GOP who felt the GOP wasn't hardline enough since they let a black man get in power.

Furthermore, you can't split hairs with racism, middle class racism is just as big a problem as 'trailer trash' racism, in that there's a problem, the problem is the racism, to put a level on it is absurd. 'Oh it's okay for the hicks to be racist even though their votes count just as much as a middle class racist'? Like what does that even mean?

Have you ever even read anything else I've posted or what I am about? I blame the Democrats for the Democrats short comings, I blame the DNC for their lack of foresight and allowing 6 years of unchecked republican gains, for pushing an unwanted candidate down our throat, for stifling true grassroots efforts to get the right man in power. In fact I'm offended you don't feel we are on the same side as we obviously have the same issues with the current system and that you'd consider me pro-establishment signals a huge lack of knowledge in who I am and what I even believe in the first place. I have never blamed the voter, and never will. Too stupid to bother blaming anyway. :P

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Re: 2016 Elections
« Reply #2332 on: December 14, 2016, 10:02:40 pm »

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Re: 2016 Elections
« Reply #2333 on: December 15, 2016, 01:14:53 am »
:O

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What does it mean????
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Re: 2016 Elections
« Reply #2334 on: December 15, 2016, 05:47:03 am »
We must get to East Timor.

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Re: 2016 Elections
« Reply #2335 on: December 15, 2016, 10:36:49 am »
And then... MELT IT.
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Re: 2016 Elections
« Reply #2336 on: December 15, 2016, 03:09:33 pm »
I have never blamed the voter, and never will. Too stupid to bother blaming anyway. :P

Pretty sure this is exactly what Plank was talking about.  But carry on.
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Re: 2016 Elections
« Reply #2337 on: December 15, 2016, 04:42:30 pm »
Yes hence the tongue face....

And stupidity /=/ class or classism. Poor people can be smart. Rich people stupid. I don't judge class I judge how you treat learning in general
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Re: 2016 Elections
« Reply #2338 on: December 16, 2016, 10:35:37 am »

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Re: 2016 Elections
« Reply #2339 on: December 16, 2016, 10:57:32 am »
KRAUTHAMMER.

Also worth noting that, as Bernie Sanders pointed out, the 17 cabinet nominees so far own more capital than the poorest 33% of US households combined.

Could there be a way of reigning in administrative overreach without putting a bunch of plutocrats in charge?
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