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Title: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: Krakow Sam on January 27, 2016, 12:47:03 pm
So recently some nerds have been playing Tabletop Simulator and trying out different board games, including Netrunner.

Netrunner is a neato cyberpunk card game. It has a tournament scene and deckbuilding and expansions and whatever but the core game is fun and deep enough to have a good time with (and while the game gets regular expansions and new cards it isn't a CCG so apparently there isn't so much janky power creep or pay2win garbage).

There's a client that lets you play in your browser http://www.jinteki.net/

Here's a tutorial video by the publisher: https://youtu.be/VAslVfZ9p-Y

A few of us are playing this at the moment (we're all still huge noobs though, none of us have even tried every faction of corps and runners yet) but it would be fun if more people got into it and we could have a friendly tournament on the forum. We'd use only the vanilla game set and the premade standard decks the game recommends for casual play so there'd be no deckbuilding this time around to keep things extra-simple.

Post in here if you'd be interested in a tournament and hit up me, celdur, wizard or anyone else who's already playing this if you want a game.  8)



Tentative Tournament Setup and Rules:

Players pick one Runner and one Corp deck and stick with those two for the rest of the tournament. Decks can be any legal deck (see netrunner rules) using core cards only. (Future tournaments will open up for expansion cards)

Probably bracketed match-ups. Each match will be played as the best of five games (i.e. first to three victories wins).

Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: Celdur on January 27, 2016, 01:04:17 pm
https://images-cdn.fantasyflightgames.com/ffg_content/android-netrunner/support/android-netrunner-core-rules.pdf
Here is da rules

And here are all the starter decks:

runner:
Anarch (http://www.cardgamedb.com/index.php/netrunner/android-netrunner-submitted-decks/_/anarch/anarch-starter-r79)
Criminal (http://www.cardgamedb.com/index.php/netrunner/android-netrunner-submitted-decks/_/criminal/criminal-starter-r78)
Shaper (http://www.cardgamedb.com/index.php/netrunner/android-netrunner-submitted-decks/_/shaper/shaper-starter-r77)

Corp:
NBN (http://www.cardgamedb.com/index.php/netrunner/android-netrunner-submitted-decks/_/nbn/nbn-starter-r81)
Weyland (http://www.cardgamedb.com/index.php/netrunner/android-netrunner-submitted-decks/_/the-weyland-consortium/weyland-consortium-starter-r80)
Jinteki (http://www.cardgamedb.com/index.php/netrunner/android-netrunner-submitted-decks/_/jinteki/jinteki-starter-r82)
Haas-Bioroid (http://www.cardgamedb.com/index.php/netrunner/android-netrunner-submitted-decks/_/haas-bioroid/haas-bioroid-starter-r83)


http://www.acoo.net/
You could use this to make your own deck.
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: eropS on January 27, 2016, 02:58:28 pm
Do I also need table top sim?
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: Krakow Sam on January 27, 2016, 03:02:25 pm
Nah you can use the online client if you like.

But if you get tabletop sim you can play other games with us like Secret Hitler ;)
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: PatMan33 on January 27, 2016, 07:24:44 pm
Am in.

Also I'll be picking up the expansions (irl) maybe in a month or two. If anyone wants to come over (celdur) and play let me know!
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: eropS on January 27, 2016, 07:44:02 pm
So is it like Shadowrunner as a card game?

If i pick corp or runner do i have to generally stick with it?

I'd like to play in the tourny
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: PatMan33 on January 27, 2016, 08:14:19 pm
No idea how tourney rules or scenarios work. What's the deal, Sam?
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: Inkling on January 27, 2016, 09:53:22 pm
I tried watching the intro video and all the unnecessary jargon made me grumpy.  Or maybe it's just late.
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: Krakow Sam on January 28, 2016, 12:45:37 am
So is it like Shadowrunner as a card game?

I'd say setting and mechanics-wise it's more like Neuromancer.

If i pick corp or runner do i have to generally stick with it?

Normally you can switch around as you like. For our first tournament we're considering getting people to just pick their corp and runner at the start and then stick with them for the purposes of the tournament so there's some persistence and people know what they're up against.

No idea how tourney rules or scenarios work. What's the deal, Sam?

We're just making it up. So far we're thinking there'll be some sort of bracketed match-ups. Everyone will play each other as corp and runner at least once.

I tried watching the intro video and all the unnecessary jargon made me grumpy.  Or maybe it's just late.

The jargon isn't entirely unnecessary since a lot of the text on the cards will say like "Take one card from the Heap" and if they called it the discards for both runner and corp it would be ambiguous what the card was referring to. But yeah, probably you were just tired :Y
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: eropS on January 28, 2016, 06:11:28 pm
I like the Hearthstone 3 decks best of 5, maybe something similar? Corp/Runner/Corp or Runner/Corp/Runner? You'd have to have 4 decks ready which seems like a lot at this point but, one deck just seems too few, though, as if you make some bum choices you're ruined for the whole thing ya know?

Maybe 3 decks, we can draft up who wants 2 corps 1 runner vs 2 runner 1 corp, and then bracket in such a way that ensure only 2c1r go against 1c2r?

Or just 2 decks each bo3
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: Slinky on January 28, 2016, 06:57:40 pm
Nah you can use the online client if you like.

But if you get tabletop sim you can play other games with us like Secret Hitler ;)

Can you explain Secret Hitler?
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: PatMan33 on January 28, 2016, 07:41:42 pm
I am Hitler every time.

That's the secret.
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: Celdur on January 28, 2016, 07:58:51 pm
You start by handing out a bunch of secret roles to everyone.
You can become either facist or liberal, and one of the facists (Patman) is literally hitler.
The liberals have a slight majority.

Each turn one person gets to be president, and he will choose to elect someone as chancellor.
Then everyone votes ja or nein, majority ja means it gets enacted, otherwise the president passes along to the next player.
When there is a president and chancellor, the President draws 3 cards.
In the card stack there are facist cards and liberal cards. The president looks at the 3 cards he got, discards one facedown, and gives the other 2 to the chancellor facedown.
Then the chancellor looks at the 2 cards, and enacts one while discarding the other facedown.
This is where the fun part comes in, because either player could lie as much as they want about which cards they got, since only the enacted one becomes known to all players.
After a policy card is enacted, the presidency moves on to the next player.

Facist cards unlock facist one-use abilities with nearly each one enacted. Some might allow the president to inspect another players loyalty, or perhaps look at the top 3 cards of the deck.
But again, only he knows what he sees, and could lie about it all he wants.
There is also a bullet ability, which allows the president to kill another player.

The liberals win if they enact 5 liberal policies or shoot hitler.
The Facists win if they enact 6 facist cards or elect hitler as chancellor after 3 facist policies have been enacted.

That's basically all of it, leaving out a few rules.
It's a very simple game but also full of fun ways to bull**** your way through.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxeQKqsd9-s





Anyway, on topic, making runner decks is much much harder than making corp decks.
I dunno if that's because I like corp more, or because runners just rely on their deck structure much more.


I like the Hearthstone 3 decks best of 5, maybe something similar? Corp/Runner/Corp or Runner/Corp/Runner? You'd have to have 4 decks ready which seems like a lot at this point but, one deck just seems too few, though, as if you make some bum choices you're ruined for the whole thing ya know?

Maybe 3 decks, we can draft up who wants 2 corps 1 runner vs 2 runner 1 corp, and then bracket in such a way that ensure only 2c1r go against 1c2r?

Or just 2 decks each bo3

And yeah, we could do more than 1 deck, but maybe have each player stick to 1 runner faction and 1 corp faction.
So for example I'd stick with Weyland/Anarch
But if we're doing a core only tournament, the only real way to get more decks out is by splicing with influence, and I'm not sure how much variety you could get out of that.
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: eropS on January 28, 2016, 08:11:00 pm
So if I buy Tabletop Sim, what do I have to do to play Secret Hitler? How does it know?


As for Netrunner it's pretty hard to figure out here, especially when i tried on that website, i felt like i was taking too long just reading what my cards did to even bother developing any sort of strategy around them and i was just wasting his time haha

Edit: Do i get other games? would it be too much to ask for an explanation of what the thing is because everything is see about it is vague
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: PatMan33 on January 28, 2016, 08:35:23 pm
There are free files on Steam Workshop for all of these games.

It's really that simple. It's amazing how many otherwise expensive board games you can play for free with Tabletop Simulator.
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: eropS on January 28, 2016, 08:36:07 pm
waaaaat

thats neat
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: dndfreak on January 28, 2016, 09:08:49 pm
I have TTS and Netrunner has always been something I've meant to try my hand at. I'm pretty sure I already have a version of the LCG from the workshop but I've never actually used it.
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: Krakow Sam on January 29, 2016, 05:06:50 am
Erops play with me or celdur or wizard. If you don't mind talking on skype then it really speeds things up. We won't mind doing a slow game to walk you through stuff. But really it's fairly simple to pick up. Within a couple of games I understood what to do as corp and then I beat celdur on my first try as runner (though he was incredibly unlucky in that game)

As for the tournament stuff, I'd really just like to try it out with the standard premade decks for everyone for the first time. We're all very new to the game and I think fumbling with deckbuilding right off the bat would just be frustrating for everyone.
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: Tesla on January 29, 2016, 05:35:44 am
It looks like there's a 50% off TTS deal going on here for the next few hours. I'd buy it... If I had money!!!!!!! (https://www.humblebundle.com/store/p/tabletopsimulator_storefront)
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: eropS on January 30, 2016, 06:35:40 am
Okay lets just use whatever decks then. Got a day time?
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: Krakow Sam on January 30, 2016, 06:56:54 am
Might be able to play with you a little later today if you're still around?
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: eropS on January 30, 2016, 07:42:41 am
We'll see I'll be home later this morning
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: PatMan33 on January 30, 2016, 09:00:48 am
Yeah do some practice rounds. I don't imagine there's a rush for this to start immediately and practice is always good.
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: eropS on February 08, 2016, 01:42:24 pm
So next weekend maybe?
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: Celdur on February 08, 2016, 02:58:03 pm
what sam needs to do is just make a tournament bracket, and then everyone can do their match at their leisure and post who won here.
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: Krakow Sam on February 08, 2016, 05:19:58 pm
Celdur I'm making you President of Making Tournament Brackets. Don't disappoint me champ. :Y
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: Gungnir on February 08, 2016, 07:46:01 pm
I'm down. A friend of mine who's pretty active in the local netrunner community pointed me towards the jinteki website (http://www.jinteki.net/) for the purpose of playing online, but I'm sure TTS works alright too.

I've played a grand total of 3 games with the awful beginner decks the game suggests, with my little brother who also has never played. So I'm pretty new. So....maybe netdecking makes sense for this event, or at least preparing for it. I'm sure some website (stimhack maybe?) has decks that are good for learning purposes.

edit: I'm mostly free Sunday-Wednesday. Sometimes I'm free early afternoon other days. Depends on exams and interviews and other life stuff.
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: eropS on February 08, 2016, 07:52:35 pm
I like Celdurs rolling bracket structure.

A set a week, get the set done in the week.

Sign ups:

eropS
Patman
Krakow
Celdur
Wizard
Gungnir


Tesla, dnd?
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: Krakow Sam on February 09, 2016, 01:26:57 am
Tesla is too poor to afford tabletop simulator. And yeah, I'll get some brackets done and some official tournament rules sorted out by the end of the week :)


Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: PatMan33 on February 09, 2016, 07:01:06 am
Someone buy it for him then! He's our friend for like, years!
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: dndfreak on February 09, 2016, 07:50:57 am
I suggest using Challonge (http://challonge.com/). I used to use it a lot when I was working for Shadow Era.

I don't think I'm going to be in this. I still haven't been able to track down a game.
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: Gungnir on February 09, 2016, 09:21:31 am
Seconding Challonge. We used to use it for university starcraft tournaments. It's pretty great.
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: Mr. Wizard on February 09, 2016, 01:38:20 pm
Who needs TTS? I have an extra one from Humble Bundle site.
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: PatMan33 on February 09, 2016, 02:06:46 pm
Tesla does!
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: Gungnir on February 12, 2016, 11:04:30 am
Question about deckbuilding rules:

So FFG just released a new rule thing for tournaments ( https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2015/12/31/napd-security-upgrades/ ) where certain cards will decrease the influence limit of the identity by 1 for each copy of the card in the deck. Decks that obey that rule are legal for tournament play. The affected cards from the core set are
Desperado (Core Set, #024)
Parasite (Core Set, #012)
Yog.0 (Core Set, #014)
AstroScript Pilot Program (Core Set, #081)
SanSan City Grid (Core Set, #092)

See page 7 of this document (https://images-cdn.fantasyflightgames.com/filer_public/de/bb/debb8a85-d0db-40d7-8b62-be12260f2fa7/adn_tournament_rules_v302.pdf)


So, for our little tournament thing, will we be following that or should I not worry about it for now?
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: Krakow Sam on February 12, 2016, 11:05:43 am
Uh, lets just not worry about it for now.

Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: Gungnir on February 12, 2016, 11:27:26 am
Yeah on second thought it doesn't matter. The changes were probably in response to power creep from new sets.
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: Celdur on February 12, 2016, 04:03:21 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/IdHbyw3.png)

Welp, here it is.
We start out with 2 rounds of round robbin
Which means everyone gets to play against someone.
Each match is best out of 3, and for each of those won you get a point.
(So for example if you win 2 and your opponent wins 1, you get 2 points and he gets 1.)
Then at the end of those 2 rounds, the top 4 players get to the winners bracket, and the 2 lowest get to the losers bracket.
If there are any ties, we'll do more matches to break them.
After that we do the brackets, which I hope are self explanatory.

As for decks, you are allowed 1 deck for corp, and 1 deck for runner. So you will only have 2 decks for the entire tournament, and are not allowed to change them.
It'll be hard to actually check for that, so lets just try to trust eachother on that.
Also, only core cards are allowed, no expansions whatsoever. If we do later tournaments we'll mix it up a bit, but for now it's core only.

So from this point on, you can just contact your opponent on steam or whatever, then match up on jinteki or tabletop, and post the results here.
Once everyone finishes round 1 of round robin, we'll move on to the next round, and so on.
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: PatMan33 on February 12, 2016, 04:41:19 pm
Coolies!
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: eropS on February 12, 2016, 05:38:37 pm
What is considered core? like the first cards released only?
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: PatMan33 on February 12, 2016, 05:43:54 pm
Android: Netrunner
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: eropS on February 12, 2016, 06:49:48 pm
ok
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: Celdur on February 13, 2016, 12:17:58 pm
Also, some tips on deck building.

You should probably use http://www.acoo.net/
It's very useful and keeps track of all the cards and tournament rules so you can be sure your deck is legit.
I don't think anyone needs help with actually building a deck, but if you do have questions don't be afraid to ask here or on steam.

Converting your deck onto jinteki is kind of a pain, but if you have a list next to you it's pretty easy.
Converting your deck into tabletop is even worse, but there is a workshop mod called "Android: Netrunner deck building" that could help speed things up.
Also, tabletop works kind of stupid in that if you want to use both you and your opponents deck, you will both have to host a server, spawn your decks, let the other person save your decks to his chest, and then do the same vice versa.
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: PatMan33 on February 13, 2016, 12:19:21 pm
Ah, we'll figure it out.

Am sorting through my cards now.
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: PatMan33 on February 13, 2016, 01:49:08 pm
Just as a general heads up, I have my decks done. They are saved in my chest in Tabletop Simulator.

One runner deck of 55 cards.
One corp deck of 57 cards.

I actually made the decks with the real cards before finding them all in-game, so everything should be up to spec.
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: Gungnir on February 14, 2016, 08:02:29 pm
I've got my decks as well. Hopefully I'll get a couple more games in as corp before we start, but if not it's not the end of the world.
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: PatMan33 on February 14, 2016, 08:17:10 pm
Can play a random game if someone would like. Not sure when, but hit me up and we'll figure it out.
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: PatMan33 on February 15, 2016, 10:57:15 am
Sam and I just played a super fun game! :D
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: Krakow Sam on February 15, 2016, 11:11:33 am
Yes, both of us were exactly one point away from winning when I successfully stole an agenda from his R&D.

I had two brain damage at the end of the game from those pesky Bioroids!
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: Celdur on February 18, 2016, 09:44:47 am
Well, me vs sam.
He won twice so he got 2 points.

No one told me this was a game for GAY BABIES.

We still need the points for eropS vs Gungnir and Pat vs Wiz and then we can go to round 2.
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: Krakow Sam on February 18, 2016, 09:45:29 am
I need to do my second match against Pat as well.

Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: Gungnir on February 18, 2016, 05:06:32 pm
Erops, add me on steam. (Or jinteki. I'm good with either.)

http://steamcommunity.com/id/CuddleBunny3
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: eropS on February 21, 2016, 05:41:58 pm
Gung and I went 1-1
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: Celdur on February 22, 2016, 05:52:48 am
in a 2 out of 3?
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: PatMan33 on February 22, 2016, 06:16:42 am
Makes sense.
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: Krakow Sam on February 22, 2016, 07:16:41 am
Flip a coin to see who plays what in the tiebreaker. Unless you both agree!
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: eropS on February 22, 2016, 07:45:51 am
Oh we thought it was 2 total since we didn't know who should play what for tie breaker since we both won as runner.
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: Gungnir on February 22, 2016, 09:59:58 am
I'm not too concerned about it. You can take the win.
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: Gungnir on March 25, 2016, 11:19:09 am
Woo double posting.

Anyway, so I got a bit into netrunner IRL after we started doing this. Headed to my first store competition next weekend with nothing but a core set and the first expansion. Gonna be great.

In general I'm still down to play, so send me a message on steam if you want to  play a game (I'll try to be better about using the busy status when i can't actually play)
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: Krakow Sam on March 25, 2016, 11:48:20 am
Yeah we should still finish this competition.

Organise games people.
Title: Re: Netrunner General
Post by: PatMan33 on May 02, 2016, 10:34:17 am
(http://i.imgur.com/x7fTfAQ.jpg)

Hey any of you guys have deckbuilding advice? Anything you've noticed?

I am really enjoying this game a lot. Pretty much shelved Force of Will in favor of Netrunner. So let's talk Netrunner!
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: Celdur on May 02, 2016, 07:06:05 pm
You still need to do your match against wizard so we can get on with the tournament thing.

Also, I'd like to gradually get into all the expansions without getting knocked over the head with a billion different meta's.
Not sure what the best way to do that is but Sam might have the right idea by just coordinating what card packs to add among our group of losers, so we can all learn together gradually.
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: Krakow Sam on May 03, 2016, 02:42:53 am
Well they were released in "cycles" right, so we can just add the expansion content one cycle at a time in the order they were released. That's still way quicker than people have to deal with in real life where the cycles are split into a bunch of smaller releases.
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: PatMan33 on May 03, 2016, 06:39:06 am
You still need to do your match against wizard so we can get on with the tournament thing.

No, he still has to do his match with me. :)

Also what is a meta? It's all just the game, right? I don't really have a history with these kinds of games so people say "meta" and I just smile and nod and ignore them.

Anyway I played a great game last night, it was fun! Very first turn the Runner used an account siphon on me after I had used the mining card. And then right after that I drained their account since they had taken two tags. It was a training game so at that point I could have scorched earth him and won the round, so I explained that to him and we kept playing and messing around.

Fun!

With the releases from what I have been told is that you should get two core sets if possible so you have a base of neutral cards. And from there you can either pick and choose the data packs or go for the four other deluxe boxes; however, if you get the deluxe boxes you will still need to get data packs to fill in some gaps and because apparently the only way to get the strongest cards is to get the data packs. The deluxe boxes have cards that top out at a lower tier than the data packs. According to /tg/ and reddit.
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: eropS on May 03, 2016, 08:23:45 am
Meta usually pertains to the dominant strategies and their counters as being the current 'viable/best' way to play.
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: Krakow Sam on May 03, 2016, 08:40:15 am
Yeah, and my point about incorporating the expansions a bit at a time was more to avoid an overload of new info when we try and make decent decks. It's just not fun to spend hours trawling through new cards and building a deck that looks good only to play against someone and get the floor wiped with you because they have some cards in their deck you've never seen before that have some weird-ass new rules.

Obviously you're gonna make crappy decks and lose and that's part of the fun but if you both have hundreds and hundreds of cards to choose from which you're barely familiar with then you're just reducing it to a game of pure chance.
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: PatMan33 on May 03, 2016, 05:09:58 pm
It's just not fun to spend hours trawling through new cards and building a deck that looks good only to play against someone and get the floor wiped with you because they have some cards in their deck you've never seen before that have some weird-ass new rules.

This was actually why I wanted to get the sets. >_>

We have different tastes, Sam. Help me be cooler.
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: Celdur on May 03, 2016, 06:57:42 pm
There's over 500 different expansion cards man, its a bit too much.
Me and wizard started making genesis cycle decks, so if you want you can join in and make one too.

Slight problem though, after every 'cycle' they release a "deluxe expansion".
And those focus on 1 runner and 1 corp each.
So when the first one came out, it focused on Haas-Bioroid and Shaper, who then became really OP for the longest time.
So we could skip the deluxe expansions until we gradualy learn each cycle, and then add all deluxe ones at once.
But its not that simple, because they probably make a few cycles in response to deluxe expansions that were already out, so if we add stuff unchronologically then stuff gets weird meta wise.
Maybe I'm overcomplicating things, but lets just focus on the genesis cycle for now.
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: PatMan33 on May 03, 2016, 07:03:40 pm
There's over 500 different expansion cards man, its a bit too much.

Well I mean, I didn't say it to Sam because I figured it would come off as rude but now I'll just say it: speak for yourself.

That sounds like good fun. I enjoy that kind of activity and the endless bug fixing and checking really appeals to me. That is the game to me. It's why I dislike competitive play in a lot of situations because people seem to fall into using the same decks or the same strategies and many games just end up going to same way. I just want to play around and try new things for fun, even if they fail. I'm not saying you guys have to do it. It's just for me. Plus I want the cards! :D

And besides I am talking about building decks IN REAL LIFE for the games me and my friends play. The games I play with you guys can abide by your rules, I have no problem with that.
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: PatMan33 on May 03, 2016, 10:23:52 pm
Alrighty, Wizard and I just finished our game!

It was excellent and very very fun! Wizard was the victor in the end. Just like when I play Force of Will, I stepped on too many mass produced giant landmines and killed myself.

I think that means I am eliminated. :x
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: Mr. Wizard on May 03, 2016, 10:24:41 pm
Hello Ladiues and Gentlemen. Pat and I have Played our first round. I was Corporation "Freudian Slippery Slope" deck and he had his "NegaTrump" deck. I have won with a junebug trap for my first point. We will run our next match sometime tomorrow maybe.
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: Krakow Sam on May 04, 2016, 04:13:56 am
Pat like Wizard said you have to play your second match with him. Even if you lose you're not eliminated because of the second round of matchups where you have your second match against me still to go.
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: PatMan33 on May 04, 2016, 05:41:43 am
Oh cool, okay!
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: PatMan33 on May 04, 2016, 11:55:26 am
Okay! Sam and I just played our second game.

Sam sweeps the series with two wins. I take two losses.

In my other series with Wizard there is one game left to play, Wizard is up with one win.
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: Celdur on May 04, 2016, 06:37:48 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYxsF9eyPmc
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: PatMan33 on May 04, 2016, 10:45:55 pm
Ohhh neat!
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: Krakow Sam on May 05, 2016, 01:21:19 am
Man good to know the runner can use paid abilities potentially during the corp' turn.
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: Gungnir on May 10, 2016, 07:46:24 am
The deluxe boxes have a bunch of really important cards. If I were only to get two expansions, they'd be creation and control (deluxe box for shaper and haas bioroid), and the pack with Jackson Howard. IMO adding new sets to our games chronologically makes the most sense.
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: PatMan33 on May 10, 2016, 08:05:01 am
I vote that we ban Jackson Howard from play.
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: PatMan33 on May 16, 2016, 09:52:40 pm
I am around all day tomorrow. As far as "required" matches are concerned, I still have one remaining with Wizard. My round with Sam is complete so I guess I have no other official options.

But if someone just wants to do a pick-up game, let me know! I can't promise I'll necessarily be in the mood at the exact time you ask, but like I said I have all day. :3
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: Krakow Sam on May 17, 2016, 03:03:58 am
I'll run into a net with you Pat.
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: PatMan33 on May 19, 2016, 05:32:04 am
Picked up Creation & Control.

My Bioroids will soon be super powered.
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: Krakow Sam on May 22, 2016, 09:40:53 am
More people should start playing this with us! I want to play against a bigger variety of people than just Celdur and Wizard (and sometimes Pat and Gungnir)
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: PatMan33 on June 04, 2016, 08:24:49 am
(http://i.imgur.com/eOvYWNg.jpg)

I was starting to lose ground in this game playing the Runner. Was the first test of my Exile deck. Worked decently but I got lucky in the end so I need to do more evaluation on it.

This picture is from right after I won the game. Basically what happened was that after my friend Pat rolled out a crapload of econ for his Corp, I didn't have a ton of options. But he had a Zed on his R&D which I could just walk through. So I did and in three clicks I drew three agendas totaling seven points and won the game. :3
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: PatMan33 on July 14, 2016, 10:13:28 pm
Was thinking about getting the next booster pack from Genesis; however, I decided instead to get that second Core pack that has been on my list.

Grabbed a couple sets of Dragon Shields and another Card Box 1000. On the card box, I dropped my other one for the first time the other day. It worked great. Nothing broke, moved, or even appeared to have been jostled. Great box so I got a second.
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: Krakow Sam on July 15, 2016, 03:40:53 am
Your friend should have put at least one if not two of the ice he had on those pad campaigns on R&D instead. The trash cost of PADs is pretty high so once the game is underway you can have them out there naked and the runner has the choice of either running them and losing credits and tempo (which could allow you to easily score an agenda) or let you keep getting that PAD money.

A few of us (Me, Celdur, Wizard) have now made Tabletop Simulator decks incorporating all cards up to SanSan cycle (and deluxe expansions up to Order and Chaos). Also I played Gugnir a couple of times last night. I won as runner with me Nasir deck against his HB and then he beat me with his Andromeda against my "look at your hand and force you to trash things" NBN.
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: PatMan33 on July 15, 2016, 05:38:00 am
Introduced two more people to it this week and one of them already bought a Core set, so that's cool!

Give me a few months to get the cards and I'll start playing with you all again.
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: Tesla on July 15, 2016, 07:30:45 am
a bunch of the guys at my work play this, should probably look into it
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: PatMan33 on July 15, 2016, 07:34:47 am
Definitely!
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: Krakow Sam on July 15, 2016, 09:20:18 am
Introduced two more people to it this week and one of them already bought a Core set, so that's cool!

Give me a few months to get the cards and I'll start playing with you all again.

Pat I can make deck(s) with just the packs you have if you want to play. Though the card's aren't everything and there isn't always that much power creep, as I discovered when Gugnir's Genesis-only runner beat my deck which made use of cards all the way up to the SanSan cycle.
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: PatMan33 on August 25, 2016, 12:37:18 pm
If anyone is interested in buying the actual cards, I've found a nice (seemingly unknown) website that sells nicknacks and, oddly enough, tabletop games. Their Netrunner section has all the data packs at MSRP, which is way better than anything Amazon would offer. Let me know if you'd like it.

In the meanwhile, the rest of the Genesis Cycle is now on its way to me and I also got the first of the Spin Cycle.
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: Celdur on August 25, 2016, 01:52:59 pm
I'm interested in getting the physical packs somewhere down the line, so fill me in please.
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: PatMan33 on September 01, 2016, 08:54:01 am
Me being happy is evidently not part of the grand plan. My entire set of Netrunner cards has been damaged.

I'm not playing anymore.
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: eropS on September 01, 2016, 10:50:19 am
Did you... did you spill something on them?
Title: Re: Netrunner: Sign up for friendly tournament (or not, whatever)
Post by: PatMan33 on September 01, 2016, 02:29:51 pm
No. The case broke open and the cards got wet.

I'll get back into it once I rebuy the cards. People were telling me to contact FFG. They may help!