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Offline Andrew Ryan

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Re: 2008 US Presidential Election-Official Discussion
« Reply #1185 on: August 22, 2008, 11:05:15 pm »
Darn, beat me to it.
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Re: 2008 US Presidential Election-Official Discussion
« Reply #1186 on: August 22, 2008, 11:10:41 pm »
Thirded.

Interesting choice.  Biden can be a bit of a loose cannon.  People say that McCain has a temper, but I've seen Biden flip out on camera a few times.


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Re: 2008 US Presidential Election-Official Discussion
« Reply #1187 on: August 23, 2008, 01:42:24 am »
I don't know whether to like Biden or not, form what I can learn about him on the Internet.

I liked his efforts to help young working-class people learn skills and get into College easier; but then he seemed to be very much a warmonger and that worries me.
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Re: 2008 US Presidential Election-Official Discussion
« Reply #1188 on: August 23, 2008, 06:57:05 pm »
I'll give both side supporters a few days to start piecing together/tearing apart Biden. What little I know about him is some plagiarism accusations from the 80s.

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Re: 2008 US Presidential Election-Official Discussion
« Reply #1189 on: August 24, 2008, 11:18:11 am »
Well it appears that he is another far left wing liberal which wasn't a really good choice by Obama. Normally you try to choose someone with a little bit of a differing viewpoint rather than having two people who are almost identical. It's called 'balancing the ticket' for a reason...

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Re: 2008 US Presidential Election-Official Discussion
« Reply #1190 on: August 24, 2008, 11:26:03 am »
Weird, it seems he's both a warmongerer and an Obama-clone. I'm thinking at least ONE of the sides is wrong.  :P

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Re: 2008 US Presidential Election-Official Discussion
« Reply #1191 on: August 24, 2008, 11:55:33 am »
On the other hand. Maybe actually standing up for one ideological view is the future rather the use lies to get everyone to like you.
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Re: 2008 US Presidential Election-Official Discussion
« Reply #1192 on: August 24, 2008, 11:58:39 am »
Well it appears that he is another far left wing liberal which wasn't a really good choice by Obama. Normally you try to choose someone with a little bit of a differing viewpoint rather than having two people who are almost identical. It's called 'balancing the ticket' for a reason...

Um....no. Moderate or just left at a push.

Far left is brushing up to the Extreme Left....Which Biden, and Obama for that matter, are a long way from. Biden looks pretty centre to me.
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Re: 2008 US Presidential Election-Official Discussion
« Reply #1193 on: August 24, 2008, 12:46:04 pm »
He believes in social control (See creation of the Drug Czar, Gun Control, Drug control, and the Cap & Trade emissions system policy). That alone annoys me.
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Re: 2008 US Presidential Election-Official Discussion
« Reply #1194 on: August 24, 2008, 12:51:31 pm »
Well it appears that he is another far left wing liberal which wasn't a really good choice by Obama. Normally you try to choose someone with a little bit of a differing viewpoint rather than having two people who are almost identical. It's called 'balancing the ticket' for a reason...

Um....no. Moderate or just left at a push.

Far left is brushing up to the Extreme Left....Which Biden, and Obama for that matter, are a long way from. Biden looks pretty centre to me.

Viewed from the British perspective, he may very well be moderate, but not here in America. We are talking about two different political spectrums here.

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Re: 2008 US Presidential Election-Official Discussion
« Reply #1195 on: August 24, 2008, 12:53:38 pm »
Agreed, Jo'. Europe is generally much more left than the West.
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Re: 2008 US Presidential Election-Official Discussion
« Reply #1196 on: August 24, 2008, 12:56:24 pm »
I don't suppose the thought occurs that measuring a candidate's position in the political spectrum on a scale relative to only his immediate peers within an insular system is unhelpful? That perspective only leads to political circle-jerking, and isn't going to improve people's lives. Progressive candidacies seek to change the norm, not simply reinforce it by accomodating extremists.

Agreed, Jo'. Europe is generally much more left than the West.

Uh, Europe comprises a great deal of the "west". It's the US that's more right-wing compared to most civilised countries.

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Re: 2008 US Presidential Election-Official Discussion
« Reply #1197 on: August 24, 2008, 01:12:24 pm »
I don't suppose the thought occurs that measuring a candidate's position in the political spectrum on a scale relative to only his immediate peers within an insular system is unhelpful? That perspective only leads to political circle-jerking, and isn't going to improve people's lives. Progressive candidacies seek to change the norm, not simply reinforce it by accomodating extremists.

Agreed, Jo'. Europe is generally much more left than the West.

Uh, Europe comprises a great deal of the "west". It's the US that's more right-wing compared to most civilised countries.

That's just the thing. Obama is almost too progressive. Moving forward at the rate he proposes is too fast (in my opinion), but also not a very smart move. I like his energy and his want for 'change', but thats the thing. I don't think he truly realizes what the political system is truly like. Half the stuff he proposes won't make it past the drawing board.

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Re: 2008 US Presidential Election-Official Discussion
« Reply #1198 on: August 24, 2008, 01:16:02 pm »
I don't know, he seems like he could actually introduce something like universal health care, or large-scale energy reform to me. Maybe it'll be difficult in the political climate but even if he can't, it's better to have someone who's working to change the system for the better even if they are aiming a little too far, rather than perpetuating or even regressing it.

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Re: 2008 US Presidential Election-Official Discussion
« Reply #1199 on: August 24, 2008, 01:26:52 pm »
Yeah, I like Obama. I just don't like his VP.
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