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Offline Rysworld

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Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
« Reply #795 on: February 07, 2013, 09:21:58 pm »
My budget is absolutely maximum $1140.

I simply want a decent gaming PC. I'm starting to wonder whether an SSD is absolutely necessary, if the only point is to decrease OS load time then it's not particularly needed for me.

As an update, without the SSD and with the OS, this is $1106:

Case (Rosewill CHALLENGER): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139016 - $50

Power Supply (Antec 520W): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371030 - $59

OS (Windows 7 Home Premium): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986 - $100

CPU (Intel i5 3.2 GHz): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116782 - $180

GPU (GTX 660) : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125443 - $234

HDD (Seagate Barracuda 1TB): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148840 - $80

RAM (Ripjaws Series 8GB): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231314 - $50

Motherboard (GIGABYTE GA-Z77X-UD3H): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157265 - $140

Monitor (Acer 21.5"): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009316 - $130

Mouse (CM Storm Xornet): http://www.amazon.com/CM-Storm-Xornet-Switches-SGM-2001-BLON1/dp/B005TEPB74/ref=sr_1_5?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1360282224&sr=1-5 - $22

Keyboard (Microsoft SIDEWINDER X4): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823109191 - $61


And seriously guys, thanks for all your help. Y'all're the best.

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Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
« Reply #796 on: February 07, 2013, 09:26:53 pm »
SSD is NOT necessary. It's a luxury at this point.

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Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
« Reply #797 on: February 07, 2013, 09:36:30 pm »
If you want to cut cost without sacrificing performance you could go lower on HDD space and GPU. A mid-range modern GPU will get you high enough on most games and save you 100$. I also don't think 8 GB of RAM is necessary since I don't know of anything that would even be able to make use of so much memory unless you plan on running it as a server, too. I honestly think the SSD is worth it, just don't put your OS on it if game load times are more important to you than start up times. (Which I think they are...) 2:30 is when the Skyrim comes on. Their HDD is a 5200 though so the 7200 will be somewhere between the two.

Are you in a particular hurry to buy all these items? Newegg has regular sales and most of these items (or comparable items) will be on sale eventually if you want to save more money. But I understand if the money is burning a hole in your pocket for something cool, I've been there for sure.

Also, you have your case listed at 50 when it's actually 90, see if you can't find a comparable case that has free shipping or something included; and your selected GPU has a 20$ rebate so it's more like 210. You might want to look into getting a third party heat sink/fan for your CPU since if you plan on playing games the stock ones will run a little hotter than you might like.
« Last Edit: February 07, 2013, 09:43:29 pm by eropS »
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Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
« Reply #798 on: February 07, 2013, 09:56:38 pm »
Also, you have your case listed at 50 when it's actually 90

That is just because I am stupid and didn't put this case in there.


As for the HDD, well, ten extra dollars for 500 GB is easily worth it. And I've filled up 500 GB within a half year before, so it's not like it'll be totally wasted space.

I think you're right about the RAM, I just sort of followed the guide and didn't look to hard at that one, but I've never heard of any game requiring anything more than 4 GB.

So I think this should suffice.

Bringing me down to $1088, meaning I could afford the SSD now. And, if I can, I would like it. I just don't think it's necessary if I can't afford it.

So that brings me up to a total of $1028 if I'm going for the SSD.

Perfectly within acceptable bounds.

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Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
« Reply #799 on: February 07, 2013, 11:08:27 pm »
Alright, everything's bought you guys.

You have been enormous helps.

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Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
« Reply #800 on: February 08, 2013, 07:51:54 am »
Y-you just went and bought everything like that? After your first build was riddled with errors and mistakes?? >_>

Okay. Well I'm still going to give it all a once-over just in case. In the future this isn't something you should rush into, Ry. System specs need to be checked, rechecked, and checked again to ensure balance and stability.
« Last Edit: February 08, 2013, 07:53:32 am by PatMan33 »

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Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
« Reply #801 on: February 08, 2013, 08:06:27 am »
Just watch yourself when youre putting it together. Make sure you touch and something metal before you touch any pieces, a static shock can really screw you.
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Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
« Reply #802 on: February 08, 2013, 08:44:09 am »
Okay, your system looks alright. I'm sure it can be optimized and the price could have been reduced a bit but it's a bit late for that now. One thing you neglected to buy were fans. You only have one dedicated exhaust fan (that comes with the case) and no dedicated intake fans. Consider looking into that ASAP and talk to me because airflow is not something you dick around with. No aftermarket cooling is needed for your other components.

Have you put a computer together before?

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Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
« Reply #803 on: February 08, 2013, 03:50:06 pm »
Okay, well, the credit card company found such a large purchase suspicious so they rejected it. Everything must be rebought except the power supply and the case.

So now you can yell at me and have it actually DO something!

No, I have not put together a computer before. A friend who is skilled at such things shall be helping me with that, I believe.

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Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
« Reply #804 on: February 09, 2013, 07:51:46 pm »
In a similar vein to Rys, I'm *also* due in for a gaming computer about a week from now. I've gone through several builds, and narrowed it down to this:
MSI Interceptor "Nighthawk": http://www.frys.com/product/7055061?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG - $79.80
Western Digital 3TB Hard Drive: http://www.frys.com/product/6761185?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG - $139.99
Gigabyte G1 Sniper M3 Motherboard: http://www.frys.com/product/7326284?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG - $169.99
Intel Core i7 "Ivy Bridge" Processor: http://www.frys.com/product/7028331?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG - $339.99
2x Patriot DDR3 8GB RAM: http://www.frys.com/product/6898106?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG - $129.99
2x GeForce GTX 650 GPU: http://www.frys.com/product/7394854?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG - $299.99
Raidmax 1200w ATX Power Supply : http://www.frys.com/product/6806106?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG - $178.99
3x Enermax Blue LCD Fan 120mm Fans: http://www.frys.com/product/6827006?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG - $38.99
3-Port Firewire Card: http://www.frys.com/product/7223173?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG - $69.99

Few 'iffies' on this one. I'm worried that even though I'm running two fairly decent graphics card (and yes, the motherboard does support multiple graphics cards), I'm concerned that it may not equate to one 300 dollar one or still be outperformed by one that's like 200 bucks; better to get one expensive one than two (relatively) inexpensive ones? Also, I'm not exactly sure what fryes lists as a wireless card - I'm assuming that's what a firewire card is but surely there'd be more than a single three-port one?
I understand some of this seems overkill, but I'm building this for future upgrades in mind. I intend to drop a better processor in at some point as well as upgrade those two aforementioned graphics cards to higher end models. I've left peripherals off this list as they're not my main concern; if I get the computer right the rest of the peripherals are no real issue.
The 3TB hard drive is basically far more than I'll ever need but I'm generally ****e about keeping my drive optimized and after having computers tossing around 124-140gig hard drives my whole life and constantly having to make room for stuff I'd like to have a drive I NEVER EVER EVER have to clean stuff off of. The number of fans and the case design in general should keep this thing amply cooled off.
In all, whatcha guys think?
(Also, I'm not forgetting a disk drive, my dad's handling those and they fit the case and everything, we already checked them out for compatibility)
« Last Edit: February 10, 2013, 07:46:27 am by GroxGlitch »

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Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
« Reply #805 on: February 10, 2013, 02:57:19 am »
I'll let Pat handle the details, since he knows a lot more about this sort of thing than I do, but one thing I do know is that a Firewire card is NOT used for wireless or networking. Firewire is a similar technology to USB, it's meant to easily connect peripherals to your computer. But contrary to USB, Firewire never got a really large market share. Point is, you more than likely don't need one, and you can't use it for networking.
Also, are you sure you need a wireless card? Since it's going to be a desktop computer, a network cable would provide a faster and more stable connection.

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Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
« Reply #806 on: February 10, 2013, 05:37:40 am »
I would pick a new hard drive. The way I like to build computers is I have a fast-reading OS drive that's smaller, and then a secondary large-size drive for storage (I actually have three hard drives (one of which is partitioned) four if you count the external drive). Speaking of which, the HDD you selected is only a 5400, which is slow. You should get at least a 7200 (even for a secondary drive). Trust me, you'd notice the difference. :P Also, hard drives are one of the areas you don't want to get wrong, because it's a lot more work to fix after you've gotten things running. So, it's worth the money to do it right the first time.

For comparison, my computer has a 180 GB SSD for the OS, a 1 TB 7200 drive (partitioned into two), a 640 GB 7200 drive, and a 1 TB external drive. I've got a lot of space. :P Basically, I put all my pictures, drawings, games, etc. on the other drives.

I'll let Pat look over everything else.

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Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
« Reply #807 on: February 10, 2013, 07:44:04 am »
Thanks for the tips, Ovi! HDs are one of my grey areas, I'll hop on Fryes and pick out a better one; I might drop the size too. Even if I don't want to clean the thing off, 1.5-2t should still be all I ever need. Also, thanks Didero; I can figure my way around computers *somewhat* decently but I don't know a sodding thing for networking, that includes the hardware involved :(
I'll be looking in on both of these today (hell, with my laptop's graphics chipset in it's death-throes I've nothing better to do), but I'm really, er...excited? to see what Pat has to say.

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Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
« Reply #808 on: February 12, 2013, 07:24:55 pm »
So, when I turn on the motherboard for my external test boot, the screen shows nothing. It should be, right?

What are common mistakes that could cause this?

I've been grounded this whole time, triple-checked that it's in the right place with the manual, it's fans are running when I turn the power on, and I just have no idea what is wrong.

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Re: Advice on buying or building a PC or Laptop
« Reply #809 on: February 12, 2013, 07:28:29 pm »
I've never done a test boot. I've always put it all together hit on so I am not sure what it would do... I say put everything together and hit on. If it doesn't work then there's a real problem and we could proceed from there.

Do you have any red lights on the mobo?  Is a green one on near the bottom?

Did you push the RAM in all the way? The clips on the side need to snap. It's scary because the mobo sometimes bends in and it seems like it might snap. The clips will snap before the mobo does though.
« Last Edit: February 12, 2013, 07:40:14 pm by eropS »
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