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Re: Politics
« Reply #5715 on: May 01, 2017, 08:03:19 am »
Also to give an example of how potential murkiness can slip in. On the tradition/progress axis you have questions like "immigrants should be required to assimilate to our culture". On the face of it the "progressive" answer is to say no, how dare you force people to give up their culture. But then what if those immigrants happen to come from some sort hypothetical scifi society of patriarchal religious fundamentalists who force women to live in bags and cut the clitoris off young girls? Not insisting that they adopt western values would actually be counter-progressive. If such a ridiculous thing could happen in real life, which obviously it can't. ¬___________¬

Oh yes. The whole issue with integration vs assimilation.

On top of that I think there is a sort of post-modernist thinking here that creeps in. That everything is equally false. Well I do not ascribe to that notion and I do think morality do have a place. That there are ways that are superior to others. I do think that migrants should adapt to the culture they migrate to. Well at least if is a culture I think people should replicate. So when you do join a "Western culture" you should start to value Pluralism and Democracy. That all people have equal value. No matter what gender you have. Now what folk art or music you like does not matter really. As long as you actually try to adapt there moral norms. And we should also be ready to evaluate other cultures ideas to. I mean our ways of mass consumerism is not the greatest values to hold on to.

But we need to be actually open to discuss cultural values. And by that we also must be willing to critique them. Including our own cultural values. I mean you want to be believe what is right, right? And if we think that certain aspects of our culture is more right then other cultural ideas then we should not be afraid of critique towards our social values. And if we do happen to be wrong then we should be happy that we where corrected.

I feel that most who are the ones defending cultural values right now, at least the most vocals ones, are also the ones that do not represent my cultural values. I whom value Pluralism and Democracy do not like it when when the extreme right try to remove those parts of my culture and at the same claiming there defending my culture. Yet a lot of the people who do hold the same cultural values as me are to afraid to actually discuss them.

But then again not everyone is afraid to stand up for there cultural values on the left. It is often not as dark as people think.

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Re: Politics
« Reply #5716 on: May 01, 2017, 09:09:40 am »
Behold, my superpowers of moderation!

https://8values.github.io/results.html?e=50.6&d=55.3&g=55.4&s=55.3

And yeah, some questions are weird.
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Re: Politics
« Reply #5717 on: May 01, 2017, 09:28:20 am »
Does this mean I am what is known as a "cuck"?

Yes. Yes it does. To commemorate this, have a loli!


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Re: Politics
« Reply #5718 on: May 01, 2017, 09:35:19 am »
Behold, my superpowers of moderation!

https://8values.github.io/results.html?e=50.6&d=55.3&g=55.4&s=55.3

And yeah, some questions are weird.

Still says Liberal on there ;)
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Re: Politics
« Reply #5719 on: May 01, 2017, 09:36:43 am »
Time for more King Casper.
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guYMAycJgYA" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guYMAycJgYA</a>

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Re: Politics
« Reply #5720 on: May 01, 2017, 10:02:07 am »
Behold, my superpowers of moderation!

https://8values.github.io/results.html?e=50.6&d=55.3&g=55.4&s=55.3

And yeah, some questions are weird.

Still says Liberal on there ;)

Centrist, Balanced, Moderate, and Neutral add up to Liberal.  Neat!
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Re: Politics
« Reply #5722 on: May 02, 2017, 03:20:09 pm »
No way dude, you're trolling me.

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Re: Politics
« Reply #5723 on: May 02, 2017, 03:46:57 pm »


I felt like the wording of the questions were pretty biased at times but the results turned out feeling fairly accurate.

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Re: Politics
« Reply #5724 on: May 02, 2017, 05:47:33 pm »
Greetings, fellow Liberal!
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Re: Politics
« Reply #5725 on: May 02, 2017, 10:43:46 pm »
I posted this in the podcast thread a couple weeks ago with a recommendation that everyone give it a listen. Gonna post it again just in case you guys missed it.

http://www.npr.org/2014/11/14/363896136/the-silver-dollar-lounge

This is what really gave me a push to start trying to communicate better and be less abrasive and disrespectful.

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Re: Politics
« Reply #5726 on: May 03, 2017, 06:50:17 am »
Almost done listening, did miss it in the other thread.

Thanks for the second mention.

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Re: Politics
« Reply #5727 on: May 03, 2017, 08:01:57 am »
Yeah!

I really like the bit at the end where he says, "How many robes and hoods have you collected?"

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Re: Politics
« Reply #5728 on: May 03, 2017, 10:58:10 am »


The real political compass

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Re: Politics
« Reply #5729 on: May 03, 2017, 11:25:14 am »
Bottom right will allow me to steal top right's money. Then I'll have the money and the gun and the two on the left will fall into line fast.

I choose bottom right.