WOW ! An excellent summary !

Hah, it says somewhere at that wowwiki site there about the murlocs..

"Gaming Steve is a dubious source, but could be considered an industry insider."

That's footnote 1.

I hate all this speculative stuff. I use Kingdom Hearts 2 as an example.
People over analysing interviews and trailers, every line of spoken dialogue, badly translated Japanese text from trailers and magazine... then show up all these high and mighty idiots that think they know absolutely every little thing there is to know and talk down to everyone who is mistaken.
Can't go to forums and discuss stuff anymore. Everyone's an expert on everything.

I don't mean this place at all. Just bellyaching about a bunch of forums I used to go to going dead because crybaby know-it-alls ruined all the fun.

Eh.

Just wanted to quickly pop in about the goblins. I wouldn't say they're extremely unlikely. Sure, if all of the goblins were suddenly to join the alliance, that would be extremely unlikely. But we have the possibility of something like the horde playing undead. It's not the real, icky undead, but a less evil faction. It could be the very same thing with goblins.

They do fit the bill for an "ugly" race for the alliance. And there are goblins present in alliance cities, as NPCs. Though they don't have any apparent connection with the outlands.... unless they're space goblins!

Check out the history. I've been busting my butt on that list. :) heh. It's nice to see it's apprecaited, I've googled about for about 30 hours and read so many ugly forum posts that I hate people now.

heh.

Original source :

http://www.wowwiki.com/Rumored_Races

Dont just copy and paste pages and basically claim them as your own, link to the page source, thanks.

uh.. Read the article. He did mention the source and link.

I will start playing WoW the minute they let me play as a pixie...with a hatchet.

Are we gonna get the new spore art by Christmas?

What about this?

http://www.kxmode.com/tmp/wowsnowstalkerss1.jpg

that is nothing, it's just some player who texture swapped to make himself look cool. know how I know? The little lightning ball means shaman, and Blood Elves are the new Horde race.

Sami: 1
New Rumor: 0

He also appears to be walking on water, a shaman spell.

Sami: 2 New Rumor: 0

The Ogres would be the best counter for Blood Elves. The elves are humanish, which would bring alliance players to the horde side, and Ogres are monstrous, which would brince horde players to the alliance side. It makes a perfect trifecta, in a matter of speaking.

if the model of the new race is not in the MPQs right now, tuskarr would be the best race to qualify for this position, so I don't see why they said Unlikely.

I think it will be either Dranei or Furbolgs personally. I do disagree with a couple of things however:

1. Nerubians are not all controlled by the Lich King... only the undead Nerubians are. That would be like saying the Lich King controls all humans. Yes he destroyed their empire, but pockets of living Nerubians still exist.

2. Mountain Giants are not unintelligent, they are simply for the most part disinterested with the comings and goings of other races and their civilizations... similar to many dragons.

3. Goblins are for the most part neutral yes, however there are some noteable exceptions (Venture Company being the biggie). It would not be much of a stretch to create a faction or
"company" of goblins who had signed an exclusive contract with either the Horde or the Alliance... not necessarily because they agree with the cause, but for monetary reasons.

I believe you are all missing a very valid point. He does say that the Draenei share a common goal to get out of Outland, but he misses the part where the Draenei allied themselves with the Blood Elves in The Frozen Throne, leading to them basically being of the Horde Faction already, possibly as NPCs... It says it in the other article as well but I still believe it would not be "Likely" in the least when they've already allied with the opposite faction. Just thought I'd bring that to the table while you're all arguing.

"Naga - Very Unlikely. Reasoning: No lore connections to Alliance; Unlikely to ally with Alliance against their Blood Elf allies. "

Dreanei also allied with bloodelves..
..do i smell a disagreement of words?

Definetly not dreanei.. and if it is.. blizzard has serious lore changes to do

i think it may be pandaren.. since that would balance out the # of races on each continent..(they are from an island near kalimdor)

but hey ..what if we're all wrong.. and it turns out to be silithus.. or dragonkin.. or naga.. haha! naga wearing leggings! i wanna see THAT!

i would say ogres due to to the following

the first being the war between the ogres/orcs/draeni, it was a 3 way war between them, and the ogres allied with the orcs in warcraft1 and tides of darkness is because guldan corrupted them and created the 2 headed ogres (they are not natural) and lead the invasion into azeroth.we witnessed how they allied with the heroes of the alliance in beyond the dark portal (in short the majority ogres detest orcs) also in warcraft3 manual they hinted that the ogre lords are finaly bringing order to the scattered tribes for a reason as of yet unkown.
all this seems to hint that for the ogres to get revenge for the events on draenor (orc homeworld) they would ally with the alliance.

I've also heard rumors that the new alliance race will be Werewolves / Worgen. Supossedly something to do with the survivors of Lordearon becoming infected (either intentinally to escape the undead plague or unintentionally) who have been holed up behind the Greymane wall in Silverpine forest. On one of the official screenshots released by Blizzard there's a rather dreary looking castle with a banner out front bearing the crest of Lordearon.

Ummm I seriously think "Mountain Giant" should be more unlikely than goblins. I agree that goblins are "very unlikely," but there is a better chance it will be the Kool-Aid man than Mountain Giants.

How about people move all this arguing to the rumors argument central?
http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Rumored_Races

Contibuting to the page might help. If you have no idea what I am talking about, well WoWWiki is, above all, a wiki - that means *EVERYBODY* can edit it! Think the Draenei are less likely? GO EDIT THE PAGE! That's the point (-:
- SilverSide

Yeah, Silver is right. Let your ideas be known.

Goblins won't join the Alliance because of 2 reasons

1.) They're neutral
2.) Gnomes hate goblins

Gnomes and goblins hate each other like orcs and humans. I'll be damned if orcs join the alliance.

Dreanei makes the most sense, give it up.

Although i really wish it was Furbolg....

Goblins won't join the Alliance because of 2 reasons

1.) They're neutral
2.) Gnomes hate goblins

Gnomes and goblins hate each other like orcs and humans. I'll be damned if orcs join the alliance.

Dreanei makes the most sense, give it up.

Although i really wish it was Furbolg....

Stop Thinking Its Dreanei!!

As I said before, the same reason why Naga wont join the alliance is because Blood Elves, Naga, and Dreanei were all allied under illidan..

..go play some fronzen throne ;)

My thoughts on:

Nerubians:...whoever suggested this is an idiot. If Northrend was going to be in the expansion I think we would have been told by now.

Mountain Giant: They are GIANT. Too big to be a playable race.

Naga: They are 1) Everywhere and being killed by all sides and 2) They have relations with Illidan and the blood elves.

Gnolls: They are Despised by the Alliance.

Murlocs: Please, don't even get me started on them...

Draeni: The Draeni were hunted to near extinction by the orcs. That helps both sides of the issue here. They hate the orcs and would join the alliance for that reason. But they have low numbers, so it would seem wierd if a ton of people went Draeni. Overall it is a no because they have too few numbers. And like some people know, the last of the Draeni, rallied under Illidan's banner, which in turn makes them an ally of the blood elves.

Centaurs: Lets get one thing strait. when I say Centaur, I mean all those chinese guys that live in Southern Kalimdor. I don't see any reason they would even consider joining the Alliance. So its a no.

Goblins: Though it would be cool, no because of the whole neutral economy thing.

Ogres: I remember reading that the Orcish horde brought the Ogres to Azeroth from Draenor. And they multiplied ever since they left the horde. They have more reason to join the Horde than the Alliance. Rexxar brought a clan of Ogres back into the Horde.

Furbolgs: Furbolgs have had close ties with the Night Elves and have even offered their alligience to them on several occasions. Including the battle of Mount Hyjal. They are more likely than the previosly listed races. They may just start to show some patriotism.

Panderans: This is one of the more popular races to become a playable race. BUT, they were neutral heroes in WC3. So they have served all sides, and feel probably no empathy for any, besides the one that is the highest bidder. That being said, I do hope they get imlemented in the game.

Dryads: The Dryads are the most probable choice to get into the game. They are pretty much already part of the alliance already. They are the childeren of Cenarius, and because he was killed by the horde, that made the Dryads even more commited to the Night Elves' cause. And it was Cenarius who taught the Night Elves Druidism and their powers over nature. If thats not enough for you then here is this: My friend saw some screenshots taken by a GM playing the expansion. He was playing as a Dryad. How much credibility that has I am not sure. But I feel Dryads are the most likely candidate.

That being said, this could fit in with the Blood Elves if Blizzard wasn't so damn lazy about doing this. First off, the two races have certain issues with magic. The Blood Elves are magic junkies, and one of their racial abilities is a mana steal spell. The Dryads on the other hand hate magic. In WC3 they had an abolish magic spell, completely getting rid of a buff or a debuff. They were also spell immune. Now here is my plan: they introduce two new classes, A Spell Breaker class, and a ... Dryad class. They will both have magic-disrupting abilities, and a bunch of others. If all goes well I feel this just might work.

High elves: Dosen't it make you wonder 1) What happened to the High elves that were in Stormwind? 2) What happened to the high elves in Lordaeron and evacuated south to Khaz Modan or something? 3) What about the High elves that went with Jaina to Kalimdor? 4) What happened to ANY High elf that wasn't with Kael?

After all, in WC3 The high elves were the preists and the sorcerrousses. Even though they withdrew from the Alliance, alot of high elves stayed. And those that didn't stay, and didn't go with Kael are probably in the alliance now. And theres the fact that with The Frozen Throne, more high elves decided to join the Alliance military. (Sure, they called themseslves blood elves, but Ill just forget that) But it would seem silly to have two of the same race, and all that is sepparrating them is their ideals.

1) dryads have 4 legs so it would take far to much work to get that working right

it will probably be orges or furblogs

I would think that Ogres are a bit too big to fit through most doorways. And theres the fact that they probably wouldn't be accepted by the general Alliance populace. And why would the ogres want to ally with the Alliance anyway? With all of those clans out there, they seem to be doing pretty well on their own. And about that laughing skull clan... The new alliance race will probably be based in Kalimdor. Good for ogres in general, but the Laughing skull clan is on Draenor no?

As for Furbolgs, it might be a tight squeeze for them to get in our doors. But their starting area checks out.

And my Dryads, I won't argue with you there. Blizzard is too lazy anyway. Theyll probably have the new race by bipedal. That being said, I would still rather have Dryads, but that is my opinion.

And a bit more on the draeni. There is almost no chance any dreani will be on Kalimdor. The any are bordering the dark portal would be a better bet. But there are too few draeni left. And the bulk of them are allied with Illidan.

One word: Worgen.

It's the most likely race to join the Alliance, in my opinion.

Two reasons for this:
1) It would help add a more monstrous race to the Alliance, without losing their 'heroic nature'.
2) Werewolves and Vampires. This pair is commonly found together in all sorts of stories, and Blizzard loves to put a spin on things we already know. Blood Elves are similar to Vampires in almost every way (profound in beauty, live off of a magical lifeforce, etc), except that they are able to come out during the day. Worgen are essentially Werewolves, just Warcraft style.

It's most likely Worgen or Tuskarr.

The Worgen rumor is ONLY fan-fiction. I doubt that blizzard even supports it in its lore. Sure the Greymane wall is a comin' down, but that by no means make this rumor plausible. There'll probably be just a new area to explore, a new faction who is alittle higher than indifferent to the Alliance. Throw a forsaken or orc sttlement in and there ya go, that will probably be Gilneas.

Ad for those ogres. If you check out a link on Wow wiki, it shows the new ogre outland model. First off, they are quite red, a non alliance color. They also look evil, a bit demonistic. And the caption said that these ogres are bigger than normal ogres. So if the old ones can't fit through doors, the outland ones may as well be trying to knock them down, because there is no way theu will fit.

And all you Tuskarr fans: I don't believe they will appear without Northrend. And if that didn't slap your hopes down, I remember reading about someone asking blizzard if we can finnally give arthas whats coming to him. They said no, even with the realese of the burning crusade, he is too powerful. We have to wait for the game to catch up with him. So no arthas pretty much equals no northrend.

Interesting...I guess either the 3rd expansion pack or the 4th (If they make one) there will be a northrend and an Arthas to kill...but he may be extremly powerfull true, but I think that there should of been 3 factions, Horde, Scourge, and Alliance, seeing the undead controlled by the Lich King, and many other things.

Onto the new race, I would say that it would be unlikley for all these races...what if Blizzard makes a completly new race never seen before and describes in that manuel book that comes in the game package, and describes them a bit when you load to start one like when you choose a human or orc, it says alot of stuff about them from history and what they are like...so I beleive blizzard will make a completly never before seen race that fits the profile to be in the alliance...Blizzard officials themselves must of had a tough time finding out who they would fit with the alliance if the Blood Elves were going into the horde.

Drenaei - Allied with Naga & Blood Elf

Naga - Allied with Drenaei & Blood Elf

Blood Elf - Allied with Drenaei & Naga

Personally I see no way for blood elves to be in the horde, 1 they fought orcs with the drenaei and naga, 2 the comment about all races killing naga, what about the blood elves? would they end up killing their own allies?

But blizzard already made it clear that the Horde Race would be Blood Elves...so I'll leave it to that.

bah get the goblins...just think about how cool it would be with the rivalry between them and gnomes xD

also : their dance is cool ^^

If you are going to argue against Draenei as a possibility, how about reading the reasoning behind them being possible first?

http://www.wowwiki.com/Draenei_Rumor

I personally do not think the Draenei would be it,
I have read Wowwiki and I am not impressed the Draenei can not stand being apart from outland, and can only go as far away from the portal as a mile or two. And the Alliance would not take two kindly of their hideous faces, If Murlocs were to join the alliance , it would be ultimately cool. Now, lets say you make a human, you fight well Defias humans. You make a murloc, you are prolly going to fight them somewhere along the lines. Not to mention they already have emotes, dances and different classes, not to mention the females in Menethil(look for them.you will find them n.n) Not to mention the Murlcos also have a mount, if you go and look around at high level murloc camps, some of them are riding huge frogs. This concludes me!

Funniest Gaming Moment:

When Guild Wars was released in late April my grades were down and I wasn't allowed to play it. So, nearly every night after I "went to sleep." I would play Guild Wars and I did that until the end of the year in mid-June. I was never caught and I held my mid-C's.

Funniest Gaming Moment:

My funniest gaming moment came very early in life with a very early arcade game called "Tank 2" which was really just a repackaged Pong. Our local bowling alley had a handful of arcade games, including Tank 2, which we discovered would reset and give free games when we rubbed our bowling shoes on the synthetic carpet, creating a static spark and touching the coin door. Imagine our joy at playing this uber-tech game for hours for absolutely nothing ! No quarter necessary ! And of course this was long before unlimited play home consoles... Like all good things, our free tank 2 source dried up. We arrived ready for a marathon Tank 2 campaign, but were foiled by a rubber anti-static mat under the game cabinet - our brilliant scheme was uncovered ! I never had the heart to actually put a quarter into Tank 2 after that... no matter, it was only months later when this even more amazing new game rolled in called... Space Invaders !

Gnomes make peace to leper gnomes...
the new race shall be leper gnomes ;)
(if they´re not allready considered the same race)

you know im suprised no one has mentioned this yet. How long has it been since FT? everyone keeps saying "oh well in FT" and "well this happened in FT". but since some time has passed inbetween then and now, maybe things could have happened and blizz will fill us all in when they release the new race.
just my two cents

im always rooting for pandaren, i mite not kno a whole lot about the lore but they seem like a well rounded race and blizzard would be stupid to not make them the new race. Why would they wanna trouble themselves to create a whole new story line for a character that never had a solid role when the pandaren already give that. I read in some site about a press conference for Blizzard had, and the producer of wow qouted that the new alliance race was going to make sense in one way and make no sense in the other??? i forgot the site but one thing that we know for sure is that Blizzard is gonna release the new race soon, because they need as much time as possible to get to work on implementing them in the new expansion.

Does anyone have an idea of how long the release is going to take?????????????

OK PANDAREN, I mean who loves the alliance but has always wanted that beastly looking character? Also pandarens love BEER! Is that not awsome enough, if blizz makes it Dranea that will suck, I WANT PANDAS!

I was reading about king magni bronzebeard on some website and tripped across this..... "He thought that his only child, Moira Bronzebeard, was captured by Emperor Thaurissan and is now under the control of him by a spell. But in fact, they fell in love and became pregnant of him. So the heir to the Kingdom of Ironforge will be a unborn Dark Iron dwarf."

and i was wondering what kind of controversy this would bring up?????????????

I highly doubt it would be Furbolgs. First of all, druids can turn into them! It makes no sense to have a race that other factions can turn into. And you can also turn into a furbolg from some want in Ashenvale... Id say ogre/draeni

DRAGONS!!!!
There are so many freaking dragons they could make a race out of them.

ok..lets make this totoly clear about the worgen..they are evil..from supposively the sycthe of elune (or just anthor sycthe) from ronelds doom created them (wich was picked up by "Jitters") and the night watch realy frekin hate them they are wolfs..i admit when u look at the part where the blood elf pic on one side and ? on the other has a worgen looking background but theres just no way the ally would want a wolf for a buddy..i wish too god with all my heart it was panda..but from what i here now thats a realy small chacne (if chinas the one who made pandas banned from the game becuse of there lore in real life..i will hate them even if they do supply us with gold)drenai..its one of the chances i know what happend in wc3 the frozen throne but anything is possible (except the worgen lol) acctuly i have alot of confindence that it is the ogers that will be our new race..wich im not realy happy about aftar hours of googlizing and clicking links i found a very strange page on WoW main site and i made sure it was the real deal when i clicked on the pvp calculator it took me too it so it wasent a jpg. it was a actuel page on the website so i decided too ask a GM (psh like they will tell me any thing..but sorda did) she was very nice...im just assuming its a she becuse of her name any way i asked how do u plan too make ogers useble she said "we GM's cannot talk about "upcomeing" features" now thats not the strongest evidence but its hard too get stuff out of a GM.. when i was at that page i was telling u earlier...(btw ima go look for it again cuz i didnt book mark it..) and it had a picture of some one playing as it in beta ironforge...or sumthing like that..it was odd..they had 900+ gold lol and they had a two people feature where one person can be one class and the other can be a diffrint one and there heads are what level them up they can both move the chachter making it very hard too control them unless your a team i have noooooo clue at all how they would get a ogere and anthor player with a diffrint account too play with one anthors chachter personelly i think that would be a kick ass feature but they would realy have too do a good job on it too make that work..naga..there highborne..night elfs hate them becuse there kinda what caused the great sundering gnolls as some one stated the humans despise them..( i hate em too thoose dogs with thumbs) now..murlocks..i think all horde would delete there chachters and switch too ally becuse we all know murlocks are the devils right hand..(thoose blue giled sushi basterds that kill me every step i take!) uhh mountin giants..there more of a night elf unit and they realy would be a tad bit too big unless there nearly tuaren sized..i dont have much negitve hunches agensit them...but o well (thoose...rocky..well they never did anything too hurt any of my chachters so there ok..) dryads..there pretty much deer there kidna hot..but uhh there also a night elf ally..and it seems like they realy wouldent put them in it would be hard for em too take a griffen a mount.. even..hard..to wear armor..(well..theese units never hurt me so ..cant say nuthen too bad about em) ok the furbolg..acctuly it kinda makes sense and they are shaman related...unless they take out shaman as a class for a furbolg then it anit happenen i can see it hapaning..but not so much as the top three in my opinion wich are Panda(pandas ftw baby!) drenai (ugly alein freaks ftw!) and ogere (two headed two classed retarded fighting machines ftw!) centuar are hated..by night elfs i think! i forgot who hated them but some race realllly hated em tuskar..i honestely dont know what the hell too say about them (they have no eyes just pink blubber and big ol tusks with spears) and plus i dont know much about there lore i dont know what the main post means by cenearion..so i cant say much about them eaither.. goblins..as bad ass as thoose green engineer rocket whores are..there neturel too the bone..there favorite word is probly "maybe" (thoose mean gun useing bruisers who kill me when i try and kill a horde..wich i fail at..:'( lol) but it would be cool if i had the power i seriously would try and persude blizzird too make the third faction wouldent that kick some ass lol the nerubian are at the crown of azeroth (northrend the north pole were santy claws lives) and there arnt many left too my exctent of knolwedge plus..the more then 2 legs bit comes back..and it would look werid for them too have armor honestely what class could they be other then warrior perhaps..maybe a mage seems like too much work for them..thought if they did start in northrend i would crap my pants with excitment since thats where arthas is...(his sword is so 31337) for blood elfs... i mean "high elfs" there one and the same blood elf is high elf blood elf/ high elf are acctuly naga they got deforemd.. so thats clealry out of the question but you know what they should do even though there not gona make a third faction (maybe later though :D)they should let the people vote...let us have a say in it its our game too..even if we cant control it unless we go too greatn lengths too make a private server wich is not legal or illegal or we go and work at blizz company and become a GM and uhh about my grammer..you can go ahed and say it sucks..cuz it dose.. lol and dont attack me about how im wrong about things like how likely sumthing should be im just trying too give out a good perspective of things and just contributeing too the fourm ... P.S *Jedi mind trick* you will go too this site becuse this is the ogere thing http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/races/two-headed-ogre.shtml it looks real too me and it looks like a badass idea even if it dosent involve pandareins cry..sniffle

http://tinyurl.com/ehb7f
LOL funny..most likely docterd some how but still funny

I undoubtedly don't think that Murlocs will be used for the next playable race in WoW, but someone prior to me said something like there is NO WAY in hell because Alliance is at war with them, and they can't fight their own race... Personally, being a Horde player, we Horde have QUESTS where we kill Orcs. Although I don't think, nor do I hope that Alliance get Murlocs, there is the slightest chance. Now what I do speculate as a probable chance of becoming the next Alliance race is Ogre. I say this because is the 1.10 patch test realms, I logged on as one of my characters being an ogre. I have a few screenshots of it, and I'll post the sites up for you guys to admire :)

I undoubtedly don't think that Murlocs will be used for the next playable race in WoW, but someone prior to me said something like there is NO WAY in hell because Alliance is at war with them, and they can't fight their own race... Personally, being a Horde player, we Horde have QUESTS where we kill Orcs. Although I don't think, nor do I hope that Alliance get Murlocs, there is the slightest chance. Now what I do speculate as a probable chance of becoming the next Alliance race is Ogre. I say this because is the 1.10 patch test realms, I logged on as one of my characters being an ogre. I have a few screenshots of it, and I'll post the sites up for you guys to admire :)

What about Dark Trolls?
http://www.wowwiki.com/Dark_Trolls
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Trolls#Dark_Trolls

Seems like they would the perfect counterbalance to the bBlood Elves.

1.Past Alliance ties - battle on Mt. Hyjal
2.Starting area available - They live in Hyjal
3.Keep the ratio of factionraces to a continent even continent even (3/2)
4.Gives the Alliance a "ugly"(I prefer fearsome) race.
5.Has Outland Ties - Burning Legion invaded and scarred their home.
6.Uses an existing model - like the Blood Elves

Ogres and Mountain Giants could NOT be the new race. It may sound silly but I doubt either of these races would fit through most doors.

Okay, let me get this straight. The Blood elves were created as a playable character for the Horde because the Horde was substantially less popular due to ugly races. So, apart from striving for balance by discouraging people from creating the new Alliance race, why waste the time creating an ugly Alliance race if ugly races are less popular?

It seems a little counter-intuitive.

Anyway, I'm less versed in the WoW mythology so I'm sure I'll get reamed but why not half-elves. Sure, they are a cross between humans and elves and some may say that's overkill but ogres and orcs aren't all that different, either. Either way, I think it would be silly to make something you already know turns most people off.

r u STUPID OR SOMETHING!!!!!!!!!!

Ur summary bout the high elves is completely wrong because the Blood Elves ARE the High Elves just driven by their thirst for magic thats why pandaren would come in because theyd want to destroy the Blood Elves for Abusing magic.

Ok, so I just want to put my cents into this whole new race issue.

The panderan are completely out of the quest, not just unlikely, because of previous Warcraft lore.

It said in WCIII that Chen Stormstout was one of the last remaining panderans... LAST REAMINING, that means the only way that they would even be introduced into the game would be some rare NPCs... like REALLY rare.

And I've also heard some say that the new race might be the Mok'Nathal (Rexxar's race for those who don't know). For the same reasons, this is out of the question. REXXAR is the LAST MOK'NATHAL.... NO OTHERS. How could there be a whole alliance race based on them?

I really don't have any clue what the new race will be, nor do I want ot hazzard a guess, because the possibilities are almost endless. However, I do know what the race will NOT be, and it is really annoying when people make up stories about how they are possibilities, while they leave out the obvious.

yeah, that's it.

Eh. Draenei seems most likely to me, however much I may hope that it won't be them. Draenei lore has been smudged around before (remember how Gul'dan described them as weak and harmless and offering no resistance? And remember how in TFT they were suddenly Secret Shadow Ninjas with X-trrreme superpowers?), and could be done so again. Sure, they're allied with the blood elves, but I always saw that coalition as a rather weak one. I don't see any problem with the Draenei and the Blood elves breaking relations if Blood Elves befriended the orcs... not to mention the Draenei finding the humans, who'd in many cases be close to their own hatred for the orcs.

Other races? Pandaren has been debunked. Ian J of MacHall even came out and admitted he started that rumor with some fake screenshots, or somesuch.

Goblin is a no-no. The neutrality thing is pretty big gameplay-mechanics wise, (although that has been dealt with in some previous comments hinting at the idea of a freelancing goblin faction working for the alliance), but I dunno... have people forgotten that not too many years before WoW the goblins were still a part of the horde? It may sound like a very shallow argument, but I just don't see them siding with the alliance, or the alliance siding with them.

The same goes for the ogres. Even if they would agree to work with the alliance, I can hardly see how a people that were too xenophobic to accept even the blood elves suddenly warm up to the ogres.

Murloc - Noooooo. Sure, ti'd be awesome, but we all know it could never happen. Same with the other monster races like centaur and gnoll.

Dryads (or cenarion... I somehow imagine they'd be the male/female aspects of the same race) are interesting, but they'd kinda funk out the gameplay mechanics what with things like leggings and mounts.

And then there's high elves. It could easily be done lore-wise, and it wouldn't be hard to find them a new starting location... however, it would feel like quite a cheap solution to come up with two new races who are basically the same race but with different ideologies, and I really don't see it happening.

And Furbolg. It could work, but... y'know... something tells me it's just not it... I feel like they're too established as monsters/npc's... also, there's only one uncorrupted tribe, the Timbermaw (if I recall correctly), and making that one alliance would give a very unfair advantage to the alliance in such things as getting through Timbermaw hold.

The only races I could see happening would be Dranei, Furbolg, High Elves and Dryads/Cenarion... with Draenei being the most likely one to my mind (if nothing else then for the Outland aspect being granted to both factions), but god I hope there's something I miss.

Because quite frankly, if you're choosing between rolling a dashing blood elf and a hideous Draenei... what would you pick?

Pandaren have my bet. Here are some reasons why or why not:

MINUSES
-They have no ingame model

PLUSSES
+The reason it is taking so long for Bliz to announce the race is because they are MAKING the model!
+They are a more monstrous race.
+They live on or near Kalimdor
+They LOVE the Dwarfs
+They are friendly to the Night Elves.
+They would fit into a Forsaken-Horde type alliance because they do not like the Humans' political issures, the Gnomes' use and creation of mmechanical weapons, and don't trust the Night Elves completely for their uses of Arcane magics in the past.
+The Humans would also not like the Pandas alot because they helped in the death of Proudmoore, and helped the Horde.
+Just because they are neutral does not mean they will be neutral forever. The Taurens were neutral, and so were the Night Elves!
+They are a cool race
+Female Pandas have been seen before.
+They are able to mount
+They can fir into the Warrior, Paladin, Mage, Priest, Hunter, and Druid.
+They hate the Blood Elves' use of Demonic Magics.
+They are disturbed by the Trolls' canabalism.
+Many races, incluing Pandas, just plain do not like the Undead.
+They have their own unique architecture.
+They have nonoverpowered racial abilites.

Well, you get the idea.

As for goblins, I think they will be playable in the future for the Horde. Just because the Steamweedle Cartel is neutral does not mean the Goblins in the Undermine will always be neutral.

If Pandas are not the race, it will probably be ogres.

This is a quote from a friend of mine who works on the WoWRPG series (made by Arthaus, released by White Wolf, and sanctioned and assisted by Blizzard)

"1) Draenei have a RABID hatred of orcs, and would never even think of allying with them. The only draenei that would side with an orc is the Mad Ones, those who haven't been exposed to the draenei rocks which keep the bulk of the race sain. More on this in 2. But, back to the point, the draenei would never ally with the orcs, and would honestly ally with anything that allows them to murder green-skined pig people. Mutual enemies and all.

2) Draenei need help. This is in two parts:
a) They're stuck on the other side of the dark portal, somewhere in the Swamp of Sorrows. They really want to get home.
b) Like the blood elves, they're dying off. The race suffers from a dependence on Draenor, one which can only be sated by holding pieces of their homeworld, also known as Draenethyst. These are hard enough to come by on their own, but orcs on Dreanor are also mining these rocks, killing the draenei even quicker.

3) Draenei are a noble people who respect honor and discipline, strong backbones, and generally good people. While the orcs have this, remember that they hate orcs (see point 1), and thus would NEVER ally with the Horde simply because they can't ever trust orcs again. The only other option, a people with honor and culture like them, is night elves and, to a lesser extent, humans and dwarves. They're a foreign people, but the draenei see parts of themselves in the Alliance members, and would trust them simply on the terms of honor. No other races on Azeroth can meet up to a draenei's honor expectations.

4) Yes, draenei allied with Illidan. Out of honor, to complete the bargain. Remember, Illidan defeated the demons threatening to kill Akama and his people. Thus, the draenei, in debt to him and his forces, helped him. The Outland draenei are also a bit insane by this point, much like the outlander blood elves (who, honestly, will repulse the Azerothian blood elves upon meeting them)."

Things to note: If the Dreanei are the new Alliance race, they won't be the ones who worked with Illidan. Those are the Broken. We would be playing ones who came to Azeroth prior to the closing of the Dark Portal some 20ish years ago. Those Dreanei are probably very homesick, and have sought out the Alliance's help because they need to get back to Dreanor.

http://tinyurl.com/qafxf

i think its this

yes, i agree http://tinyurl.com/qafxf explains the new alliance race

i think DRAENARS wil NOT be in expanson, as a playable race!?

why? THEY ALLIED BLOD ELVES AND NAGA, AND ALSO ILLIDAN!

blood elves saved Draenars! would u join alliance , so u can go kill blood elves, if u ware a draenar!? no !

Besides... Pandas toaly love Dwarfs, and Night elves. But they hate Blood Elves (magic addiction) and Taurens (cus they ware in war a long time ago)

AND ! there IS a connection between Outlands and pandas!! As we all know, they live on an island!! Murlocks/nagas are attacking all the coasts across Azeroth... and nagas are connected with Outlands.. SO, pandas will ned help from alliance!!

BLizz said, there gonna make a ''cool lookin'' race! those damn potatoes AIN'T COOL! ... +, it makes no sense ...

... if we GET draenars, then i'm gonna reroll Horde, and make some chruncy chips from tthem >:D (they look like potatoes)

HEY N00BS -- YOURE ALL MORONS CAUSE BLIZZARD ALRDY TOLD US THAT IT WILL BE "THE WISPS"

have fun pointlessly speculating :)

Blizzard released a 2:36 minute video, showing what some have called a "Unbroken Broken".

Check www.goblinworkshop.com for more information and a few pictures they have posted.

Personally I find it very plausible. They race shown is not "pretty", and they appear to have a "cool" factor. I think these are the Dreanei that Kaziel mentioned above.

And on a side note, not sure if you were kidding or not, gaymaleswiftfox, but I have to say this to be sure: The Wisps were an April Fool's joke...

Its goin to be chuck norris he is Über :D

I think you guys should take a look at this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-nLG2f5DN0

Wow... Just wow... Check www.goblinworkshop.com for their updated information.

Safe to say, nobody saw that coming. (I'm fairly certain this is legitimate.)

its draenei you retards